Wild Man Beasts Of The Kiamichi- Cache Valley Bigfoot- Battle of The Titans

Wild Man Beasts Of The Kiamichi- Cache Valley Bigfoot- Battle of The Titans
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Episode Transcript

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It's a big world out there.Welcome to Bigfoot's Wilderness Podcast. I was

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devastated by the slaughter of the caribol. I kept thinking of Bigfoot, and
it's my equation. It had tobe protected. It could be wiped out
before I had a chance to studyit. But how could I get protection
for something so few believed existed.I needed that unchallengeable proof i'd first set

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out for. There was no signof Bigfoot with the carabol. It must
eat vegetation or fish. The perfectplace Beavle Swamp in the spring. I

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got there early and planned to stayas long as I could. I used
every trick I learned over my yearsas a trapper, and carefully covered my
scent with ammonia. Ever swamped thegeese. If my theory was right,

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Bigfoot would follow shortly. I searchedfor the perfect place to set up a
blind. When I found it,I moved in and set up my cameras.
Day after day, I waited andsoon grew jealous of the other animal's

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freedom. I was stiff, chilledto the bone, but I was determined
not to make a move that mightwarn Bigfoot of my presence. That was
Ivan Marks in the documentary The Legendof Bigfoot back in the seventies, very
dramatic, really kind of a Waltdisneyish Animal Kingdom, Wild Kingdom type documentary.

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Lots of pleasant sounds, music,very different from what we hear these
days, and very very childlike aswell, very amusing. But that was
probably one of my favorite shows,was to watch those old seventies documentaries.
Love those. They were very what'sit Disney's Sunday evenings where they had their

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wonderful World of Disney and they wouldplay all kinds of nature type adventure stories.
I used to love that. Anyway. I just wanted to say hello
and welcome back to big Fittswilderness,and let's go ahead and get into the
first story. Stories of upright hairyhalf humans living in the forest of North

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America for hundreds of years. They'vehad many names like giants, demons,
trolls, even wood devils and spirits. The Native Americans would continue to pass
down these tales of large humanlike beastsroaming the countryside, even appearing sometimes to
take their food and belongings, sometimeseven women from their own villages. A

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century ago, the term wildman wouldbecome a common name. It's very likely
that in some recorded encounters it wouldappear to be just that a wild man,
someone that simply lived off the landand off the grid, as we
say these days, fending for themselves, and there were those that were probably

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quite truly insane people in southeast Oklahoma. For over a century, stories of
said wild men took on a moresinister name, like monster or even man
beast. In fact, some ofthe heavily forested area is said to be
one of the most active for bigfootsightings in the country. One of the

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first sightings occurred in nineteen seventy whena group of high school kids decided to
cruise the foggy back roads near Tallahinaafter an evening pep rally. They pulled
over and one of the teenage boyswandered away from the group and into the
edge of the surrounding forest. Itwas here that he caught a glimpse of
what the locals later dubbed the GreenHill Monster of Southeastern Oklahoma, a hideous

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creature several feet taller than a humanand covered in long, matted hair.
The boy ran to the car andfright, and the group quickly sped away
down the road that led back totown. After they reported the sighting to
the police, the local sheriff investigatedthe area. He found several dead deer

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in the vicinity and immediately forbid anyonefor going into the woods at night for
fear of an attack. The creaturewas never caught. Sightings of Bigfoot in
Oklahoma have been going on long beforestatehood. Native Americans would tell of large
human like beasts roaming the woods,and the first recorded sighting in Oklahoma happened

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in the spring of nineteen forty two, where two sisters observed tall, hairy
creatures running away from them. Sincethen, sightings have been well documented and
happened quite frequently. Most of thesightings happened in Lafloora County, where at
least eighteen sightings have been officially reported. In May of two thousand and nine,

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footprints of the Oklahoma Bigfoot were foundin the Caiamiche Mountains of southeastern Oklahoma.
The dimensions of the footprint is reportedto be five inches wide and fifteen
inches long. DW. Lee,director of the Mid America Bigfoot Research Center,
said of the find the toes wereclearly visible on the cast after it

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was lifted up. The proof forBigfoot's existence consists mainly of eyewitness accounts.
There are no owns, no droppings, no artifacts, no dead bodies.
In fact, there has been absolutelyno real proof that Bigfoot exists. Even
so there are plenty of sightings thatare reported. Does the absence of evidence

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point towards hoaxing and delusion than areal discovery. There are those who are
adamant that Bigfoot exists. While thatpossibility always exists, as there are thousands
of uninhabited miles of forest across theUnited States, the probability of Bigfoot running
the forest of North America is stillin question. However, a recent survey

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shows an upward trend in the beliefthat Bigfoot exists. This story comes from
a Facebook page Cash Valley Bigfoot.The administrator John shared with me. Tyler
from Smithfield, Utah, sent thisencounter had above Hyde Park in the fall

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of twenty nineteen. The meteor aboveUtah yesterday brought it all back to him.
He says, my wife and Itook a nice drive to watch the
Orion meteor shower above Hyde Park.We wanted to go up on Cedar Hill,
but once we saw how bad theroad had been rutted. We went

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up towards old Hyde Park Mine.I grew up in the area and no
stories of Hyde Park Canyon and supposedbigfoot. Growing up, I never put
much belief into it. I hadfriends tell me they had seen something,
or their parents grandparents had experiences alongthe valleys and canyons. I felt they
were misidentifying something else. But afterwhat we saw, I am now a

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believer. We got to the minearea, backed up, and got into
the back of the truck to watchthe show in the sky. It was
about twelve thirty am. We hadseen a lot of shooting st ours when
a smell waffled over the area.I thought that it had to be a
dead animal that the changing breeze hadhit. But it was way strong smelling,

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and for how strong it was,we should have smelled it as we
pulled into the area. It cameand went in a minute or so.
We went back to watching the sky. A few minutes later, we heard
something walking along the hillside. Whateverit was, it was big. I
kept thinking moose, elk or aloose horse or cow from down below,

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but then my wife said, itsounds like it's walking on two legs.
I listened and yes, it soundedlike a person walking through the trees and
the plants on the hillside. Iyelled out, who's there. It stopped
walking. It was dead quiet.It seemed like the whole area went quiet,

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no breeze, no sounds at all. Then my wife saw a dark
shadow peer from behind a clump oftrees about thirty yards from us. I
grabbed a flashlight and shined it atthe area. It illuminated the area,
and when we saw a hairy,black, gray, tall creature move across
a gap of trees into a moredense area of the hill, we were

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ready to get out of there.We only saw it for a few seconds,
but we both knew what it was. We looked at each other and
said bigfoot. We jumped into thetruck and got the heck out of there.
We talked on the way home aboutwhat we should do. We both
felt that if it wanted to hurtus, it easily could have. We

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think We surprised each other and leftit at that. We did tell our
parents. They were supportive and believedwe saw something. We had it in
our minds and conversations for a whilewith each other but as with life,
it goes on and it slipped backto the back of our minds until yesterday's
meteor event. Thanks Tyler. NowJohn gives his thoughts on it. Who's

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the admin? An owner of theFacebook page Cache Valley Bigfoot. Hyde Park
Canyon has a history of sightings.I've gotten a lot of reports. I've
talked to people that have had experiencesat the old cabin in Shack that used
to be above Hyde Park. I'veheard whoops and tree knocks. My first

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sighting at twelve years old on theSmithfield golf course was not far from Hyde
Park and the canyon it runs towardsconnects via a road to Hyde Park Canyon.
Growing up, there was a legendstory in Hyde Park called the Hillside
Growler. I am betting it wasa Bigfoot. Cache Valley is a Bigfoot

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active area. Kamchatka, Russia,the Alaskan Bridge, the Big Battle a
quick background. This fall, myex partners went back to Kamchatka. I'll
try to make this short, butJ. G. Wells shot a huge

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old bore brown bear. It wasnot quite as tall and long as my
biggest Alaskan brown bear, but wasimmensely blocky at nine feet ten inches,
heavy and muscular. Pictures taken rightbefore the shot it looked like an M
one A one Abram's tank with darkbrown fur. Obviously the king of the

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valley. They had tracked it onand off for four days and had come
across an interesting sight, an areanear a creek choked with strawberry bushes that
looked like it was the scene ofan epic battle. It was rocky and
gravelly, so not so much inthe way of tracks, but it looked

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like two bulldozers had gone at eachother. Saplings up to four inches in
diame snapped like soda, straws,bushes ripped up, scattered fur, etc.
They presumed the boss had laid downthe law about territory ownership to another
boar. They were hot on histrack and had to keep going as they

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did, but JG saw something curious. It was a large tree branch four
and a half to five feet longand about five to six inches in diameter
at the big end. It obviouslyhad been torn off a nearby tree.
JG said he looked at it twiceas they moved through the area, because

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the big end had blood and furon it. He just assumed at the
time one of the bears had slammedinto it while fighting. The next day,
when they caught up with the boar, he was bedded in a deep
thicket. They circled and got intoposition at the edge of a small clearing
just as the bear came out.He was moving very slowly and stiffly up

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the mountain. JG got him withtwo shots from his four sixteen Wriggly nothing
dramatic, but JG is a realhunter and insists on helping with the skinning.
That's when they got an additional surprise. The boar was really beat up,
not fatally, but he was onesore, battered bear and had some

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very unusual wounds from a bear fight. When they rolled him over to skin
him, there were big areas onhis chest and stomach where the fur was
pulled out and claw marks. JGsaid it looked like something had jumped on
his back and had its arms aroundhim, holding it while it bit.

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They thought at first a Siberian tiger. Now that would be a hell of
a fight a fourteen hundred pound bearand a seven hundred and fifty pound cat,
but the marks were wrong. Atiger wouldn't pull fur out. It
can't clench its paw into fists.And the claw marks were wide and shallow.

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They were spread wide apart between thefingers. If you hold your hand
out and spread your fingers, theyspread pretty far apart, and bears don't
do that. Big brown bears suchas mine have claws up to four and
a half to five inches long,but there are only four on the front
paw. The fifth is a dewclaw up where our wrist joint is.

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There were five of these, onein an opposable thumb position. In other
words, marks that appeared to comefrom a very large pair of hands.
But most strangely, the whole bitemark was very horseshoe shaped like, whereas
a bear's bite mark is much longerand narrower. Well, the long and
short of it was. One ofthe local guides gave the following account of

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what probably happened. The other guidesagreed and looked at the sign fairly closely
at the sight before moving in.The boss boar had come up the crest
into the wind and surprised a female. They used their word for bigfoot in
his berry patch and attacked. Thebig male jumped him from cover where he

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had been feeding. The guides saythe big males are about nine feet tall
and seven hundred fifty to eight hundredpounds and immensely strong. Anyway, the
fight was on horrific but brief.The female did not join in, but
fled with her youngster. As soonas the female was safely out of danger,

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the male followed. He had inflictedsome very severe bites to the bear,
but the massively strong boar had gottenhim off his back. The boar,
they say, had inflicted a severebite to probably the male's thigh and
several nasty, off balanced paul swats. The local guides say such encounters are

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rare, but do happen when theysurprise each other. True, who knows,
but my buddy of forty years hashunted all over the world and taken
several other bears. He has skinnedhundreds of animals, and j G said
those wound marks sure did not looklike they came from another bear. The
one other weird thing was that jG said that the boar really stunk,

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especially on his back. Now,a bear in the wild, damp,
soggy, and muddy, does notsmell like lilacs in the spring, or
a freshly showered and powdered woman havingcarried quite a few bears out. I
can best describe them as a mustyold throw rug that's been laying on an
earthen basement damp floor all winter.JG agreed, but said this was different.

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He said the bear's back smelled foullike whatever was clinging there smelled bad
and possibly even urinated on the bearwhile fighting. He likened it to a
cross between the weak, old,old napalmed water buffalo I hid behind in
nam for three days and then thewolverine scent stink we smelled in Alaska.

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Anyway, that's the story. Noproof of any kind, but lots of
interesting oddities. J G asked abouttracking the family, but the guide said
there wasn't enough money in the worldto get them to do something as foolish
as track a mad, wounded andprotective Bigfoot. Besides, they said late

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in the fall they always went wayback from the coast to several super nasty
hellhole little canyons that have natural hotsprings and winter there. Thanks so much
for listening to Bigfoot's Wilderness podcast.Next podcast I'm going to have on author
Greg Walter of Ridgewalkers of Two Worlds. We're going to talk about his encounter

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and talk about his book. It'sgoing to be really great. You're gonna
love it, so come on backand listen. Have a great night.
I will be the last to far. I won't shut a tear for them

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to see, won't hand your namethe car. I will be the last
to fur. The best wild charitysee