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July 11, 2025 49 mins
In this episode, we explore three major stories making headlines. We begin with the ongoing controversy surrounding the Epstein client list, focusing on Pam Bondi. As speculation and internal divisions surface, criticism has intensified regarding Bondi's role and the broader lack of transparency about the list. 

Next, we examine the devastating flooding in Texas. What should be a moment of national unity and humanitarian response has instead been drawn into the realm of political debate, sparking concern over the growing trend of politicizing natural disasters.

Finally, we turn to international news with the developing investigation into the tragic jumbo jet crash in India. With new details emerging, we discuss what is known so far and what investigators are focusing on in the aftermath.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You are listening to the Billy d'es podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
All right, well, hello everyone, and welcome to the podcast.
As always, I am absolutely thrilled that you are here.
If you are new here, we are primarily an interview
and a commentary based podcast on Friday nights. We live
stream on various social media, mostly x That's where kind

(00:30):
of like my social media home is on those lives
for many of them, is Cynthia Elliott as my co host. Cynthia, welcome,
So glad you are here.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Thanks Billy, I'm delighted to be here as always.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well, thank you. Yeah. Not much to talk about the
news these days, is there.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Well, it's spicy out there. I feel like I'm always
saying that versus Trump went in office, but it's spicy.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yes. So anyway, I heard Kat Williams say he never
really cared about the news before, but now it's like
watching the playoffs. So anyway, we're gonna talk about a
number of things. Obviously as we go live, the big
talk is BONDI. So maybe I'll start with the Epstein

(01:20):
files first. Okay, then we're going to talk about what
happened in Texas and how that's being handled by the media.
And other things. I gotta tell you. I hate to
say I told you so, but I said this about
Epstein and I said it about Diddy. They're both going
to be duds. I don't have a really good explanation

(01:45):
of why, all of a sudden there's no client list
other than a couple of things. The media and social media,
for the most part, has built this story up to
be something huge. And you know, you and I have
talked about before how celebrity culture is not only eroding,

(02:06):
but there is actually a dislike of celebrities. And I
don't like most of them. There's a few that aren't
too bad, but most of them are. You know, they're
bags for.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
The most part, energy vampires.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Energy vampires. That's correct. And because of the fact we're
so anxious to have these celebrities that we hate to
go out in a ball of flames. We're just all
excited about this list. Oh the people that I hate,
all the people that talk bad about Trump, all the

(02:43):
people that talk bad about this, that, and the other thing,
they're all going to go away and they're all going
to go to jail because they're on this list. No,
that's usually not the way these things work. What usually
happens in these kinds of cases. And I'll let I know, Cynthia,
you've actually brushed shoulders with Epstein when you were, you know,

(03:03):
modeling in New York and all that other stuff. I
can tell you that for the most part, famous people,
if they get into anything like this at all, they
cover their tracks pretty well. But most of the time
the people that take part in these things are people
you never heard of. And I know that it's real
fun to want to try to connect the dots. You know,

(03:24):
you don't like Tom Hanks anymore, Fine, you're going to
connect the dots. You don't like Bill Clinton, You're going
to connect the dots, you don't like Trump, You're going
to connect the dots. Everybody's going to get connected to
this Epstein dude. And the fact of the matter is
people like him have access to the most famous and
the richest people in the world. They can buy their

(03:45):
way in to the celebrity fundraisers for political parties and
so on, they get photographed with them, They can buy
themselves access to exclusive parties, exclusive nightclubs, and one of
the perks in the good into one of these places
is getting your picture taken with famous people. So I
don't care what side of the political fence that you

(04:07):
are on. Okay, there's a picture of someone you love
and adore with Jeffrey Epstein somewhere, Okay, I don't care
if it's Trump or Clinton or whoever. Just about everybody
at one time or another has been in his vicinity.
You also have to keep in mind that he was
a successful business person, so there's a lot of people

(04:30):
who are connected to him. I'm sure they did business
with him that had no idea in the world of
what he was up to. And that is why there's
a lot of hesitation in getting these lists out because
you could have charted a plane not knowing who really
owned it. You could have, you know, sent an email,

(04:51):
done something over the decades and decades that this guy
was around that would connect you to him and the
meet and people on social media would jump on it.
They wouldn't care if you were guilty or not. They
would just love to just smear your face in the
mud and ruin your life simply because at some point

(05:16):
or another you cross pass with this SOB. So let's start.
Let's start with that facet of it, and then we'll
move on to PAMBONDI, Cynthia, what I know you didn't
like this and you didn't like the Diddy thing. Tell
me what your thoughts are on this.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, I, first off, I'm not surprised that it's turning
out like this. So one of the a couple of things.
One that case, the Jeffrey Epstein case, has been going
on for so long, and both Epstein and P Diddy's
cases involve so many famous people, and in my experiences
just in the last fifty years, rarely do we ever

(05:55):
see anybody who can tell tales on a lot of
names and even invent those tapes because they've got enough
of something to really go after them. Did I never
really expected to see Epstein never get convicted, and I
really I hoped that P did, he would get what
he had coming to him, But I'm not surprised that

(06:15):
he didn't. There could be all sorts of influence going
on behind the scenes that we don't know about anyway,
So let's put that aside. A couple of things that
really occurred to me. One is that the Epstein case
strike down for a really long time, and a lot
of people could have had access to the files that
could really have messed with them. So I never really
felt like, are they really going to find the Little

(06:35):
Black Book of everybody that ever had sex with a minor?
And I never really expected that to happen. And this
goes to language. So one of the mistakes that happens
when you pick new people. And I've been a fan.
I mean, I've been open about my support of Trump.
I certainly don't try to hide it because I knew
we need radical change in this country, even if it
came painfully. But when he made his picks, one of

(06:56):
the things that I was yelling at the TV about
was that these people who were brand new to their roles,
who had never been in those roles before, were going
on national television and opening their mouths and talking about
things that they couldn't possibly have actually spent an extended
period of time studying. And it was making me infuriated.
It's somebody who worked for twenty five years. I've home

(07:17):
to agencies, I was a professional publisher for a really
long time. You don't get on national television and open
your trap if you haven't actually had time to study
your job and to do your job. And when that
was happening, I was like oh, this is going to
sow blow up in people's faces at some point. And
then the promises that were made, like well, we're going
to give you the list, it's like you don't even
studied the finds yet, like you don't know what's there.

(07:38):
So those are a couple of things that were really
driving me crazy. Now we're paying for this, but it
also begs that it shows you what happens when you
plant an idea in the people's minds. So they were
told they were going to get a list. The fact is,
I'd never believe, and I don't think most people if
you asked them, do you really think there's actually a
list of people who had sexist minors? Are you referring
to all the people who actually engage with Epstein who

(07:59):
went to his island, Because that through the flight logs
is actually something that anybody could have accumulated and said, here,
here's a list of people who got caught up in
his world. And so one of the big issues with
making big, bold promises without actually knowing fully what you're
talking about, or being able to have the information to
make an informed decision about what you're going to actually
do creates is this situation where the people have been

(08:21):
promised something, now they want it, and now they're backtracking,
and we don't know whether or not how much truth
there is to this or not. Do I think that
the files are corrupted? Absolutely, I mean I never did
believe we would get clean files. So those are some
of my thoughts on this.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
That's all absolutely true. And you brought up a good point.
Just like I said, the media and people on social
media built this thing up that there's this master list
and all the people that I hate are going to
go down. The thing about Pam Bondy is this very
seldom to someone in her position, in that particular position
in particular, make a lot of stayments to the press.

(09:01):
That's usually other members of the White House crew and
all that attorney generals. Generally, no, you don't, especially when
the possibility of running your mouth could impede an investigation.
So with that being said, you know, I have a
good friend of mine as well. He's retired now, but

(09:22):
he was a detective for many years, and he and
I were having lunch one day and I asked him,
I said, how do you get away with murder? What's
the number one thing that you could do? To get
away with murder. And he said, I expected some very
technical answer, like something about DNA and all this stuff.
And his answer was keep your mouth shut. And that

(09:46):
is true with a position like the one Pam Bondy has,
and the thing is you just keep your mouth shut.
And she basically went on a tour talking about this.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Thing, brand new with the job, going on a.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
TV tour, and you know, she built this thing up
to be some kind of oh, the Epstein list. You know,
it was almost like she was talking about the Ten Commandments.
I bring you this list, you know, and it and
I had suspected along that there wasn't going to be

(10:23):
much there. Now with that being said, here's the thing
that I'm gonna put this graphic up. Elon Musk tweeted
this and I thought this was pretty funny. Here we go.
This is this is a tweet that Elon Musk put up,
and he put more squirrels and raccoons have been arrested

(10:44):
than anyone on Epstein's client list. And he's referring to
if you remember Peanut from last year, they executed the
poor little guy because somebody called the health department on
somebody had a pet squirrel and they killed him, so
he got the death penalty for being a squirrel. And
and I do agree with this logic. Okay, what there

(11:07):
was the name Giselle Maxwell, Giselaine Maxwell, how do you
say her name? She's doing prison right now for trafficking,
trafficking what exactly nobly And it.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Really burns my chaps as a woman that in all
of this, this woman has apparently been sent to prison
for trafficking no one that exists and she's the only
person that's in prison, and it's the woman. Of course,
it reminds me so much of Martha Stewart when she
went to prison for something that everybody who has a
lot of money that works in finance is done. Yeah,
I think politics.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, I find it odd that none of the quote
unquote John's are in any trouble except for a woman.
That's who we throw in prison for Jeffrey Epstein. And
I'm not defending her. I'm not saying that this Maxwell,
you know, was a good person. I'm sure she wasn't,
you know, from the things that I've heard and stuff
like that. But the idea that yes, for the crimes

(12:02):
and abominations of men, a woman goes to jail. You know,
that's very very interesting. How about the suicide. Do you
believe that Epstein committed suicide?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I have never believed that Epstein. He came across to
me and just based on his behavior, and I'm diagnosing
him myself. He always came across to me as a narcissist.
And it's not that they don't do it, but when
they're going to get lots of attention and lots of headlines,
and they already know they're going to be infamous, they
usually run with it. Look at the way that he did,
he behaved, it's weird that he would commit suicide. And

(12:40):
when you look at, you know, the whole thing with him,
if you look at the way that whole thing with
him going back ten years fifteen years ago, the whole
thing reaked high heaven beyond just money. It wreaked a
political finagling interference from the very beginning, and that is
always suspicious, you know, and a lot of people I've
heard some theories that he was a spy for Masad,

(13:04):
and of course just Len Maxwell's father was a Massad
spy supposedly. I don't know these things as facts, but
it would that kind of level of political influence would
would affect things.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yes, it would, wouldn't it now? Okay, So as we
build live here. As I alluded to, there's rumors that
Dan Bong Jingo, who is the FBI director.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Assistant uh is he?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I think he's the assistant director of the FBI, because
isn't Cashptal the director?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well that says deputy director. So the sorry sorry deputy
deputy director okay title aside, Apparently he had a big
to do with Pam Bondi with the last twenty four
hours and he has disappeared. No, this is being I
don't know if it's true or not, but this has
been reported by you know, legitimate news agencies that there

(13:58):
was a falling out and Banjingo took a day off
from work on Friday due to his frustrations. There's rumors,
and these are rumors that he could resign. I think
from the heavy coverage from supposedly legitimate sources, from news sources,

(14:19):
it does seem pretty likely that Dan Banjingo and Pam
Bondy did have a falling out. It appears that this
Cash Bettel threatening to quit as well. That's something that
as it stands right now. This could change. This as
a very fluid situation as we're streaming live today, but
that seems like I'm getting most of that from social media,
So I don't know, but it suffice it to say

(14:42):
that there's probably some friction going on. Here's what I
would say. I'm not necessarily defending you know, Pam Bondy.
I know that there was the Peiser case that she
was got involved in and minimized that, so a lot
of people are mad at her for that. But I

(15:04):
would say this, Let's presume the worst. Let's say that
there is an Epstein Epstein list, and let's say there
are you know, powerful people on there, and let's say
that she had it. Could she alone say Nope, there's
nothing here. The chances of that are very small. Somebody else,
very powerful, has to be pushing that.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Oh absolutely for her to backtrack on what she said
on National TV. She didn't make that decision herself. Come on,
who would make themselves look like a fool?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
You know, And at the time, I was thinking, girl,
you're a fool to be talking about this and the
way you're talking about it with what three days in
the office and you know something to keep in mind, Billy,
and I'm sorry this gets me all fired out.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I have gotten to the point now. So as a
as a PR person, I've been telling people, and a
professor of PR, I tell my students all the time
like this is this is theater to distract from the
real issue. It has become so predictable at this point
that I wouldn't even be surprised if when they saw
the whole thing was imploding, they were like, oh, we
got to create a distraction. And then Bongino comes out

(16:09):
and says, oh, there's no truth to that. I mean,
I think it's probably true because he's a straight He
comes across as a straight up guy who doesn't like
bullshit and he doesn't like to be made to look
like they're lying or the FBI are being deceptive. So
there's a good likelihood that it is true. But it
could also be political theater to distract us. All. I'll
give us something to chew on for a couple of
days to make the story kind of turn a different direction.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yes, all that is true now, Dan Bong Jingo and
Cash Battel both said they believed he committed suicide. Or
that he died by suicide, So I don't know. There's
also allegations online today and that's all they are is
that that tape was modified.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
That's wired. They ran a story saying that the tape
is like four times duplicated and has two clips and
is missing a bunch and that honestly would not surprise
because that whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, the explanation was that the machine would be running,
and then it is true that they recycle, so they
go back over the same area that they don't have
an endless recording space, a digital recording space. So in
my record, twenty four to forty eight hours something like that,
and then it starts over again. Nothing significant happens that
you have to reference. But Billy, yes, you're just saying

(17:26):
that's what that's.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
What I just have to say this. You've got cameras
on Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yes, you run, you're going to run.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Out of tape or video space.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Come on, the one of the most predominantly known convicts
at that time, not convicts, he wasn't a convict then technically,
but you know what I mean, suspects incarcerated and yeah,
your your your hard drive resets right at the moment
that he Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Wasn't he on suicide watch like they always are.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I'd probably presume yet that would be automatic. Yeah, that
would be automatic in a case like that. So all right,
moving on the tragedy in Texas. This has to be
one of the worst stories I've heard in a long time.
And I did a post about this, just a simple

(18:20):
post on social media, but obviously I want to cover
it more detail here. The It's been shocking to me
how politicized this has been. And you know, you know,
like the old saying goes no crisis goes to waste,
don't let a good crisis go to waste is the
infamous quote. And I get that, you know, I get

(18:42):
that when you have the attention of the world is
a good time to make a statement, you know, and
I don't mean make a verbal statement, but show compassion,
show action, do something to make the most of the
situation for yourself. But resuming presumably you're doing that in

(19:02):
a positive way. And that's one thing Bill Clinton did
very well. Okay, will you let him or not? I
know people are gonna hate me for this because there's like,
like like these famous successful presidents didn't have any good qualities.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
One thing he could do very well. It's like when
something like, you know, a flood or something happened, he
would go down there, knee deep in mud and it'd
have his little crack in his voice, a feel your pain,
you know, and he did it so well. He did
it so well. And he would make sure that the
you know, all the trucks bringing water in and food in,

(19:37):
he would be standing right by him. Did it very well.
So there's always been a little politic politicizization. Uh easy
for me to say of these things. But this has
gone off the rails. This has become hate. This has
become a way to project hate. I've heard people say, well,
these were rich little white girls. Uh. I've heard people say, uh,

(20:01):
you know they all their parents, you know who they
voted for. They voted for Trump, and this is the
area that voted for Trump, and you know, they deserve
what they're getting. I've heard all kinds of and of course,
somebody who's always got to bring God into it. This
was God's retribution for you know, for showing cruelty, you know,

(20:24):
towards your fellow people with the uh, you know, the
illegal immigration and all this other kind of stuff. And
I could go on and on here. Democrats are quick
to blame Trump for the supposed cuts. Now, most of
the studies that I have run across objective information says

(20:44):
nothing in involving federal funds for whether anything had anything
to do with this, And I would agree with that,
because the technology is such that, you know, television station,
some weather man in Schenectady on some po dunk station

(21:06):
Channel thirteen in your local town, he can call up
the radar for you know, Los Angeles or New York,
for Seattle. It's right there on his screen all these
and so this radar coverage and everything is blanketed all
over the entire United States. Okay. Now, apparently there were

(21:28):
warnings leading up in the twenty four hours that preceded
the flood. Okay, So from what I've been able to gather,
within that twenty four hour period, national Weather Service and
other things said, you know, this is bed, it's getting worse,
blah blah blah. One of those warnings came in the

(21:49):
middle of the night, the last one, which it's understandable
as to why that one didn't get heard. A lot
of people like I, for example, notorious for turning my
phone off. And that's the way it goes. You know.
You just those things just don't get through a lot
of times when they need it. And one of the
things I talked about too was what I call familiarity,

(22:14):
and it is a very common psychological concept. It's why
you feel very comfortable in your car, sometimes too comfortable.
You're yelling at your kids in the backseat, you're looking
at your GPS, you're talking on even if it's a
hands free it's still a distraction. You feel very comfortable there.
But you don't feel too comfortable when you're on a
large plane and you're taking off and you're going across

(22:37):
the ocean. The plane is rocking and it's creaking and everything,
Oh what's going on? But every statistic in the world
tells you that you're safer in the plane, But you
feel safer in the car because you're familiar with it.
And this applies to where you live as well. I
have friends live out in California. Yeah, there's trumors every

(22:58):
once in a while. Sure to love living by the ocean.
It's no big deal out in the tropics. You know,
people living in volcanic areas. Yeah, that that volcano. It
acts up every once in a while. We see glowing
up here once in a while. But yeah, tell you
what love living in the tropics, you know, And what

(23:19):
everybody forgets is sooner or later, the big one is
gonna come. Okay, And it's just like when you live
in a flood zone. Yeah, the river acts up every
once in a while. Sometimes it comes up clear over here,
you know. But I mean, I sure love this area.
It's beautiful here. Well, you know, one day the big
one comes, and I'm guilty of this. I am notorious,

(23:41):
absolutely notorious for taking tornado warnings lightly. I do it
all the time. And Ohio does have that. That's one
of the things we're at risk for. Probably one of
the more infamous ones was a xenia where one of
the most powerful tornadoes that ever occurred recorded what happened

(24:03):
here in Ohio. And that thing was so powerful and
not only took the homes away, but it took the
soil away. There was a trench where this thing went. Okay,
And so often you hear that buzzer go out and hear
your phone. You're not gonna what now, You know, and
it's so easy to do because most of the time

(24:26):
these things don't produce catastrophe, but there's times when they do,
and that's when you have to watch out for them.
So what is what is your take on that? First?
What is your impression of this? Is there a major fault.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
It's a tragedy and I looked into the reporting and
the timing, and it really has nothing to do with
any of the changes that were made by Trump that
would be very convenient for people who hate him. I
have been stunned, and you know, I'm hard to shock.
I've seen it all. I've seen how brutal and nasty
and disgusting and horrific people can be. I've been talking

(25:01):
about the Democrats have an evil element within their party,
and I have never been seen more proof of the
fact that they have a major problem in their party
as much as I have because of the situation. Because
the content and I mean repeated content that I have
seen posted by liberals who hate anyone who voted for Trump.

(25:24):
I mean people threatening not to take care of Trump
voters if they go to the hospital, people saying, you know,
doctors saying horrific things about these children, and calling them
the sea word. Oh my, I mean, just the levels
of things that I have heard, and I've tried to
de limit my exposure to it. But it's not just
what they're saying, it's the look in their eyes and

(25:45):
as an impact, I know, when somebody's in their evil energy.
And the fact that you can even say this about children,
Not only does it take require massive leaps of assumption
to assume that everyone of those I mean, it doesn't
even matter, it should even matter, but the fact that
you're assuming that they're Trump voters because they live in Texas.
You're assuming that their parents voted for Trump because they

(26:06):
happened to have money. You're assuming that all these kids
deserve to pass away because of who their parents voted for,
even though you don't actually know that, and you're so
vicious about it that you get on social media and
you call these these children who died horrible names and
you say you're glad it happened. I have been saying
for months now, for probably a year, that the Democrats

(26:29):
actually probably more like two years, but it's really become
evident since Trump won and as he was picking up
speed last year, that they Democrats have a massive issue.
They have an element in their party that is saying
things and giving an impression of Democrats and liberals that is,
it's the truth, but it's so toxic to their party.
And the wildest part of all of this, they seem

(26:52):
to think that they don't need to say it, Like,
where's AOC with her big mouth and her headline grabbing,
attention loving behavior. Where are all the Democrat politicians to
say this behavior is not okay? They have been very
quiet even though the behavior has been horrific, And that
says more to me about what a hot mess they are. Yeah,

(27:13):
as a party, they need to get their crap together
and they need to get that element out of their
party or they will never recover.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, just like I said about Bill Clinton, this would
be a great opportunity to in a positive way for
AOC to go down there and champion this, you know,
make sure those people get help. Did But what's said
is she won't do it because it's going to alienate
her base. Just think about how sad that is.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, that just speaks that. That's what I've been saying
about her and the talk that goes on. They've talked,
which is so absurd because she's I mean, I'm sorry,
but I just don't find her very interesting or even
that intelligence. She's just really good at getting attention for herself.
But it says everything you need to know about what
she actually cares about, and what she cares about is

(27:55):
power and money and fame. She doesn't care about helping.
I never actually think I never hear her really having
anything to say or do about anything of actual value.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, I would agree with that. Typically politicizing these things
doesn't impact directly the survivability of the event. However, I
did run across it. I did run across this. Excuse me,
g's something in my throat. Today. The Austin Fire Association

(28:25):
had strong words for Fire Chief Joel Baker Monday, claiming
his delay on sending firefighters to assist Kerville over the
holiday weekend may have cost lives. Yes, and apparently this
was because he said there was some kind of a
funding issue. The response to that has been in an

(28:47):
event like this, the state would cover it. Here's some words.
This is Bob Nix, he's the AFA president, and this
is what he had to say about how that was handled.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
I just don't even have words. Our firefighters are trained
for that area. Our firefighters had the equipment, they had
the desire, they had the will, they had the power
to go up. And actually, I know some of those
girls could have been survived if we had had the
best boat crew the day before on scene. I know it.

(29:25):
I know my heart. I know it as a as
a batalent chief. I know it is a former swift
water tech myself. And the fact that we didn't do
it and we let them down, it's just it's unconscionable.
And that's while we're here. This is this is such
an egregious action that we have to bring it into

(29:45):
the public domain and talk about.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
It, all right. You know a lot of times these
accusations can fly around you don't know whether they're true
or not. But I gotta tell you, when a fire
association votes that is pretty damning because they don't too

(30:11):
often go after their own. Something that tells me that
this has teeth, that.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
This Austin is a Democrat stronghold. I don't believe for
a second that this was not about about politics. That
excuse he gave is so lame, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't know we had funding, so
I and here's.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
The people were going to die, but you were worried
about You know, what you do, You do your actual job,
and then you deal with the find the money later.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
You know, I'll say this, I I'm sure he played politics,
and I'm sure he tried. I can't be sure. I
don't know, but let's let's presume the worst. Let's say
that he did play politics with this to make it
as inconvenient as possible for the firefighters to take care
of this. He probably didn't know it was going to

(31:07):
be the calamity that it was, and now all of
a sudden he's in big trouble. And boy, I don't know.
I mean, I'm one of those ones that's overly cautious,
and anytime I put myself in these situations, I think anytime,
you know, there's a bad forecast, the place would go
broke because I'd be sending the troops all the time.

(31:30):
But I would have a hard time denying something like this.
And apparently, you know, these guys wanted to go. There
was at least these rescue boats. These missions I guess
have six people on them, so you know, if they
would have had one there, it could have been at

(31:51):
a lot of difference, because I would imagine, you know,
especially trained people could do a lot with the right equipment.
I'll say this too, Saving somebody from drowning in the
best of situations is dangerous. And I say the best
of situations. Let's say you're a lifeguard. People are in

(32:13):
the water, they're acclimented to the water. You presume that
the weather is good, you presume they're swimming in an
area where you don't have rushing water, and then they
start to drown. You know, obviously the lifeguards are trained
to do that. They usually have flotation devices, and even
then it's dangerous because a drowning person will grab at
anything to pull themselves up, and you gotta be you

(32:34):
gotta be very careful rescuing somebody who's drowning because you
can get oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's happened to me a couple of times. I'm like,
you're you're trying to drown me.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yes, And in a situation like this, it's even more
dangerous when you when you're in the water unexpectingly, for example,
a bridge breaks or somebody falls into the water. Okay,
now that water could be cold, you know, you could
be in rushing water. You're you're in a situation where
people don't even expect to be in the water, let
alone expect to be drowning. Now you have a very

(33:06):
dangerous situation because you have to swim against strong currents.
You have to swim against water that's got all kinds
of crap in it, rocks, twigs, sharp objects, broken glass, oil,
all kinds of crap in there, and a lot of
times in a flood it's like a sludge. It's not
when you get under it, you can't pull yourself up.

(33:28):
You know, it's like goo because it's taking the top
soil and everything. So in those situations, you're taking your
life in your own hands, and you better have your
the best equipment, and you better be trained to do it.
And these people were willing to do it, and they
didn't do Something didn't happen here the way it should have.

(33:53):
We talked about this, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Go ahead, I no, I was going to say, yeah,
it stinks to eye. And for that man to come
out the the emotion in his body and voice speaks
volumes about how upset he is because he feels responsible.
But that's really how the person who made the decision
should have felt like sometimes you can be in your
job for so long that you actually forget what your

(34:15):
job actually is. And the other thing is I do
not understand. I mean, I know that the people have
had losses on their own that own that camp or
run that camp. Am I really struggle to understand how
you can have that many young girls in a camp
than a flood zone and not have more better plans

(34:38):
to deal with that situation. And I realize that sounds critical,
but it deserves to be discussed because it is true
what we're countless young girls doing in a flood zone
when flood warnings have been given out, and how do
you run a camp or you don't know the warnings
that have been given that means that you have Their
security was not especially for four thousand dollars a month,

(34:59):
you know, for a camp, but you would think they
would have a level of security. But the whole thing's
a tragedy. Breaks my heart.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, well, you know that comes back to what I
said earlier. You know, I'm sure that time and time again,
those flood warnings came and the river came up a
little bit and it was of no consequence. And it's
so easy to get familiar with that, to get comfortable
with it. It's so easy. Now, that's just the way
the old river is. Sometimes it comes up and you know,

(35:28):
it's just like with sending and help. I'm sure other
times across the country other fire chiefs have done the
same thing. No, we can't afford to go, and it
was of no consequence because whatever happened wasn't that bad
of a deal. But here again, you never know when
the big one is coming. You never know when the
big one is coming, and you always, in my opinion,

(35:49):
you have to be prepared. You know, the big one
is just when you step in your car. You got
to be conscious of the fact that an accident could happen.
And the same goes with these things. You know, so
many times I have dismissed tornado warnings and I'm beating
myself up over it now, But I know the next

(36:10):
time one happens that I'm going to have that impulse.
You know, there's another one of these warnings again, and
like I said, in the back of your mind, you
have to be prepared that this one could be the one.
So I hear again that's not excusing it, but it
is a factor. One more thing I'm going to toss

(36:32):
out there before we wrap up. I talked about this
on the podcast before that crash in India involving the
seven eighty seven, the Boeing plane. A lot of speculation
on that one. A lot of these aviation quote unquote

(36:52):
experts have been abloviating about this one for a while,
and it was apparent in the in the video that
the the engines did not have power. And one of
the tailtale signs of this is there's a little propeller
that comes out of the side of the plane when
the engines turn off. And what this does is it

(37:13):
generates electricity so that the uh, the jet has its functioning,
you know, the instruments and there's some lighting within the
cockpit and other things that that that comes on because
the engines power that. Now, when you're just leaving the
leaving the ground, this thing doesn't really help that much.

(37:33):
The idea is if you're at high altitude and something
happens to the engines, your instrument still work so that
you can figure out how to get the engines started.
That's the point of it. It's really not going to
help when you've just left the ground, which it didn't,
but the idea that it deployed, that it was deployed
when the plane went down. You could see it on video.
That told a lot of people that the engines were

(37:54):
not working. So there was a lot of a lot
of people said, maybe they didn't put their flat right,
maybe they didn't do this or that. And my initial
reaction was I doubt that it was a procedural problem
because there's checklists after checklists that these pilots have to
go through, and with the computerization now of everything, there's

(38:18):
backup systems for backup systems. If you took if you
tried to take off with the flaps in the wrong position,
it'd be alarms going off all over the place. You
would have to override the alarms and do it anyway.
So I kind of figured, now, that's probably not it.
But an interesting report today they analyzed the voice recorder

(38:38):
and apparently one of the pilots asked the other one,
why did you turn off the engines? And the pilots.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
You just say, did you just say they have on
the flight recorder? Yes, one of the pilots asking the
other why they turned the engines off.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, Apparently the indicator there's two emergency shot offs. Okay.
So let's say, for example, a fier erupts in one
of the engines. You can kill it instantly, all right. Now,
it's a two step switch. Okay, there's a guard on
it so you don't accidentally bump it, all right. So

(39:19):
there's a guard on it. You have to flip up
the guard and hit the kill switch. Okay. And apparently
there's evidence in the crash that these things were disengaged.
So the pilot, one pilot says to the other, why
did you do it? And the other one, and the

(39:39):
other one denied it. I didn't do it, So they
don't know what happened. They don't know if this truly
was an accident. And here again, accidentally killing both engines,
which would require deliberately touching two of them, is very unlikely.
So there's the possibility of an accident. There's also the possibility,

(40:01):
and it's just a possibility right now, this investigation is
not complete, that there was a sabotage, that one of
the pilots just decided, you know what, I'm going to
kill these engines, and that has happened before in Europe.
A pilot deliberately crashed a plane into a mountain a
number of years.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Ago, and if if the pilot that did it, it
sounds really suspicious. If the pilot that did it wanted
to make sure his family was taken care of, he
wouldn't admit it anyway.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, so there's a big investigation into this. I'm sure
they're going to be looking at their at their backgrounds,
at their financial backgrounds, anything else that could be going on.
But apparently, going by this evidence here, by the crash
evidence and by the uh, you know, the flight voice recorder,

(40:49):
is that something did happen with the cutoff switches. So
that's interesting, and you know, this is something we're going
to be following because, like I said, I I suspected
along that this wasn't pilot error like we normally think of.
I just forgot to set the flaps. I just couldn't

(41:09):
can't believe with all the with all the backup systems involved,
that you could take that plane off with the flaps
in the wrong position. Now, deliberately doing something is another case,
entirely okay, but by just by accident it didn't seem
to make sense. I also found it very odd that
a mechanical problem would cause both engines to go out simultaneously.

(41:33):
That is very very rare. Sometimes there can be a
fuel problem, but those typically don't result in both engines
completely cutting off at exactly the same moment. Some of
those full fuel distribution systems have had problems before, but

(41:54):
here again right at the same moment with both engines.
So that is I don't know if you saw those
you're hearing it for the first time.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I saw, I saw something had come out, but I
just have time to pay at the story.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, so that's I'm one of these people that these crashes,
there's something about them that and there's the crash programs.
I don't know if you've watched those, like on nagioever,
I find them very intriguing. I got I got very
connected to when I was in the sixth grade, is

(42:30):
when the disaster out of terror Reef happened, when the
two seven forty sevens ran into each other. It's the
worst air disaster of all time and it happened on
the ground.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah. I've always been fascinated by air airplanes or travel
air crashes.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
And it's in the stories behind them and the chain
of events that lead up to them, Like with terror reef.
Those planes should have never been there. They were at
a small airport because of a terrorist attack that happened
where they were supposed to be, so, you know, and
then the fog rolled in, and and then you had
an airport that wasn't use to dealing with big planes,

(43:03):
and it was just the disaster. The steps towards the
disaster seemed unstoppable. Yeah, and that's that's always intrigued me.
So I've been following this thing with the Air India disaster,
and yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Aviation forensics, when how they unwind the situation and figure
it out is really I think that's the thing that's
always made I found really interesting. Yeah, yeah, it's really
it's amazing how they actually figure things out. If they
can get the plane and they can get the black
box and they can check all the parts and everything,
they can really figure out a lot of stuff. But

(43:42):
it does seem to me that this year we've had
an inordinate number of plane related incidents that I don't
remember it being statistically they're being as many.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
That is true, it's been a long time since there
has been the amount of major crashes in short succession. Now,
with that being said, don't let that. You know, you've
got to keep in mind that the entire population of
the United States, the equivalent of the entire population of

(44:16):
the United States, has moved around the world several times
before there's a fatality. You cannot say that about the
highway system. Yeah, so anyway, do keep that in mind
before you get too paranoid about getting on a plane.
And you know, Boeing has had some issues, and you

(44:37):
never want to say, well, I'm glad it was something else,
especially if it was something deliberate. But I know a
lot of people were, you know, raising red flags about
Boeing again, and I've been very critical of that company.
You know that that company has really disappointed me because
at one time that was the epitome of American innovation.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, they really were for such a long time, and
they they changed. I think they got involved with the
wrong kind of finance situations and that meg yeah, affected
their their decision making.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yes, So anyway, I'm going to be giving tabs on
that one, and at some point when more information comes out,
we'll have to do a We'll have to do an
episode about that, all right, Cynthia. And we always wind
up with what we're doing so let me hear it.
What are you up to these days?

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah, well, I've got so Soultech Foundation, which you know
is my five oh one C three charity. We bring
education to underserved communities to help them thrive in the
Age of AI. That includes teaching them wellness practices like
meditation as well as things like AI skills to help
them transition as best as they can during all the

(45:51):
dramatic change that we're undergoing. And I'm doing a give
butter campaign right now because we need funds to be
able to get our first retreats and workshops off the ground.
And so if you go to my profile on x
it'll be penned like she pined it really quick, it'll
be pinned to the top, so you can help donate
or raising five thousand dollars, so anything you can give
would be very helpful. And we also have a fundraiser

(46:13):
September fourth in Boca Raton to help raise money for
the foundation. So if you're in the Florida area September fourth,
come hang out.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
That is fantastic. You know you're doing some great things,
so good there. Hey, I got to tell you. You can
find me on social media at Billy D's on X
and All uns. You've been living under a rack that
is the former Twitter, and that's kind of like my
social media home. We're still doing the Billy D's podcast

(46:43):
Facebook page. That is a small page, Okay, made no bounds,
it's a small page, but that the followers of that
page do like what's going on behind the scenes, how
we market the thing, what's working, what is and on
social media, all this type of stuff. We don't just
post about, Hey, here's our latest episode and it's great,

(47:04):
well it is, but that's not all we talk about here.
And let's see here Stacy Rogers, that episode is doing
very well. Now if you subscribe to the Abilities Podcasts,
please do on your favorite podcasting platform. We have a
ten year history on all the major platforms. In our
playlist is the interview with Stacy Rogers. She is running

(47:26):
as a Republican for governor of Kansas and stemming from that,
I'm going to have a Texas legislator on very soon.
That kind of stemmed from that interview. I'm trying to
get the vague like cake on the podcast, but we'll see.
I'm from Ohio's run. He's making big plans for Ohio.

(47:49):
And for those of you who may not know, I'm
not tiing the state up from. People don't realize that
that Ohio is like the seventh largest economy in the country.
Obviously we're behind California, Texas, New York and a few
others Florida, but we have a big economy here and
very fuel is really big here. Technology is really big here,

(48:10):
Manufacturing is still here, and medicine you know, Cleveland Clinic
and some of the best hospitals in the world are
in Ohio. Some of the best research centers are in Ohio.
So there's a lot here and I'm really anxious if
he would happen to win what he's going to do
in Ohio, that could be very interesting. So anyway, follow

(48:34):
me at Billy De's on X and you can follow
Cynthia Elliott at shaman Isis on X. Cynthia, as always,
thank you so much for being on.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, thank you Billy as a good conversation.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
As always, absolutely thank you for listening, and we will
talk to you again very very seen. I'm Billy D's
and host of the self titled podcast, The Billy D's Podcast.
We are primarily an interview and a commentary based podcast
featuring authors and creators talking about their craft, advocates for

(49:13):
community issues, and myself in an array of co host
discussing current events. There's no partisan renting and raving going
on here, just great content. You can find the Billy
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