Blink Twice (REVIEW): Layered Feminist Perspective | Ep288

This week on Black on Black Cinema, the crew returns to discuss the 2024 film, Blink Twice. This directorial debut of actress Zoe Kravitz follows a waitress named Frida (Naomi Ackie) who is invited to the private island of celebrity billionaire Slater King (Channing Tatum) and his friends. Things start to get odd, and Frida starts to question her situation.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
No, I didna hear lesson about the villains.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Right now, go find the last down before me change.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Let's reputas on it, you know. Hello and welcome to
a brand new episode of Black on Black Cinema. I'm
your host, Jay, I'm here with my co host Michael
Hey An Tire Hey. All right, guys, we are back.
This is episode two eighty eight for Blink twice. Logline
here is when tech billionaires Slater King meets cocktail waitress

(00:39):
Frida at a fundraising gala. He invites her to join
him and his friends on a dream vacation on his
private island. A strange a strange things start to happen,
Frida questions her reality. This is the directorial debut of
Zoey Kravitz. She also co wrote this movie, starring Naomi Aki,
Channing Tatum and I'll shotcat. Okay, Mike and I have

(01:03):
definitely seen this movie before. We were very excited to
do this movie. And tire this is your first time
seeing the movie. You just watched it like a couple
of hours ago.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I just finished watch I just finished watching it like
maybe like ninety minutes ago.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Okay, all right, so good, it's fresh in your head.
So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna I'll go. I'm gonna
then go to Michael. Then we're gonna go to you last. Unfortunately,
Terrence is not here, so I know he did enjoy
this movie. I will just say that. Okay, So for me,
I'm very interested to hear your thoughts now. I like

(01:36):
this movie. I think it is Zoe Kravitz doing her
best Jordan Peel impression. That's that's that's a feeling I get.
It feels like it's it's pulling a lot of his style.
I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
It feels like she's trying to make sort of like
Get Out for women, which again I don't actually think
is a bad thing. I think it's it's a pretty
good try as a first time director. I mean, she's
an actress, so she's got a little bit more background
into how movies are made, you know, better than most.
But yeah, all in all, I liked it. I thought

(02:12):
h Channing Tatum is actually pretty good in this. I
thought Nao Miaki was pretty pretty good in this as well. Yeah,
I don't I I don't really have any negatives to
say about any of the portrayals of any of the acting.
I enjoyed people getting murdered, so that was pretty, uh
cathartic to me. And early on we're going to spoil

(02:34):
what the ending is, so if you haven't seen Blink
twice so we can have a full conversation about it,
we'll get into that in just a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
But yeah, I did enjoy it. I actually liked this
movie a lot. Like at your thoughts, Yeah, I concur
I I I really enjoyed this movie. You know, any
movie that opens with the trigger warning piques my attention.
So I think naomi Aki is really I think all

(03:01):
the women are really good, but yomi Aki, I think
is a is a bit of a standout. You know,
this isn't a traditional black movie that that we normally cover, uh,
so it's kind of a cheat. But like the main
actresses is black, and the writer and director of Black
so and this should happens to black women, Like, we

(03:26):
don't hear those stories. So plus is a really good movie.
So just we just wanted to chuse to talk about it. So, yeah,
I really enjoyed this movie. The end is well wet,
you got a hand wave. One particular thing in the end,

(03:49):
like how did it works so fast? But but other
than that, I had a good time with this movie.
I remember seeing it with my wife. She had a
she enjoyed it. She you know, she is kind of
surface level when it comes to movies, but she could
appreciate the very overt themes uh in this movie. And yeah,

(04:17):
it was. It was a It was a fun little thriller.
And good job Zoey Graffins.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, all right, here comes hater aske tr Would you
not like about it?

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah? I I thought it was really great. I don't
know if I would say I don't know if I
would say it was enjoyable given the themes of the
movie trigger warning, trigger warning, trigger warning, and I like,
I like, I told you guys, I remember we y'all
talked about on the Apocalypse, so I knew what one
of the major themes was. I just could remember exactly

(04:54):
how we'll unfolded, And so I'm glad that I didn't remember.
I don't even know where to start. There are a
few things, but I was kind of able to figure
out on my own because it was right there in
the beginning with like revenge, like the best success is
revenge and everything like that. I thought it was a

(05:15):
timely movie with a you know, a bunch of billionaires
having a private island doing some really unsavory criminal things
that I think some of the right justice was dished
out and we could see some of this in real life,
but you know, maybe not, probably too probably too late

(05:38):
for that. I thought the ending was interesting, was an
interesting choice because I think the traditional way of an
ending would have been a certain character meeting his own end,
but he kind of does it. In fact, I would
say he got a pretty interesting gift of forgetfulness. And

(06:00):
I'm not sure how I'm still not sure how I
feel about it. Maybe I'll have show of feelings about
it as we talk about the movie. I'm really glad
that they had Glad that they had a black woman
as a center of a center of this, partly because
it just hits a little, hits a little differently. It
makes you pay attention, especially with with there being a

(06:23):
white male lead. I think it kind of makes it
seem like this does happen to women who are not white,
and it doesn't really center sense of whiteness. But then again,
it doesn't really It doesn't really talk a lot about blackness.
Either it's just by the nature of having a black woman,
you can still relate, which I find for some movies

(06:46):
if there's a black person, some people feel like they
can't relate to someone's struggles. I thought the the some
of the themes of feeling visible and wanted are really
strong here, and I can empathize with that. But also

(07:07):
the importance of having really strong female friendships too, and
also stranger danger. Hello, don't talk to men, guys, don't
go home with men. But also I'm now I'm kind
of glad we're doing this in October, because it was

(07:28):
also really scary, Like it's really scary to to you know,
to realize that you are being taken advantage of in
the most horrific of ways and any other time, like
people are literally just joking around you and pretending that
you know that they're taking care of you, and when
they're not, they're actually monsters. There are some things that

(07:53):
made me go like, huh, I wonder why we're not
seeing this. I guess I'll just say it. There were
some parts where I was like, like, oh, no, one
is having sex like I because usually in these types
of movies like You, there's a lot of raunchiness, and
then I was like, huh. Then then you actually get
to later move and I'm like, oh, that's why. And

(08:15):
then something else that really stuck out to me was
the color white, using white, which is supposed to represent
purity and virginity, and that being twisted to something disgusting
and poor Jess. She looks like a friend of mine, honestly,
But yeah, I thought it was, Like I said, I

(08:36):
don't know if I will say enjoyable, but I definitely
thought it was well done. I was reading on Reddit
would see what some people thought, and I saw that
some people thought that the ending was offensive. I can
definitely see why. I don't know if I feel that
way curious because of her relationship with Channing Tatum at

(08:59):
the end, which did.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
They think, like and they have a they have a
normal marriage together? Is that what they think?

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I don't think people like the fact that she's marrying
him at all. That like the I think they think
that he should have at the same end as everyone else.
And like I said, I understand it because the people
who are saying this people who are also victims of abuset.
So yeah, that's I get it. And also I felt
like Chanton Tatum was was was terrifying. I feel like

(09:29):
all the men here were terrifying. And also can't trust Look,
I can't trust all women to have your back eyes.
That's another thing, because it's always going to be at
least one who was down with it all.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, I thought that character just embodied internalized misogyny like that.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
That's that's what that character was to me.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
All right, So let's let's spoil it right again. Please
go watch Blink twice because this is a movie that
is much better. Are going in if you don't know,
like what's happening, it's it's much better. But for the
sake of reviewing it, it's better for us to throw
out what the big what the big reveal is that
way we can openly talk about all this stuff right.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Like we did with Get Out, same thing.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
So the reveal here is that they go to this
island and that the women are all being drugged through
you know, perfume and what have you. They're all being
secretly drugged and the guys are sexually assaulting them or
raping them, you know, all sorts of horrible shit to
them every night. But the drug makes them forget that

(10:39):
all of this happened, and so the only so the
only reminder that those things are happening would be like
physical bruises and things like that, which the women would
not realize where they came from when they woke up
the next day. Soils, right, yeah, like actual physical responses exactly.
So that's that's the big reveal, right, and that happens

(11:03):
like pretty late into the movie, by the way, Like
they run.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
This and I appreciated this.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
They run the scam for a long time to the
point where you're like, are they gonna reveal? And then
it's like and there it is, right, It's just long
enough to be like, what are we doing right now?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
And then it's revealed. You're like, oh shit.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
And then the movie like jumps into this like you know,
hyperbaric chamber so to speak, as far as like violence
and you know, the response with the characters, like it
just really gets moving in that like latter third of
the film.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
So that's the big reveal.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Okay, so just just starting out, we see Freda is
is really obsessed. She's at home sitting on a toilet,
which I need people to stop making movies and TV
shows where people just sitting on the toilet.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
We get it. People are human, Like, it's all right,
I don't need to see it. Drugs are crazy.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
She's like looking at reports and video of Slater who
is this like big time billionaire played by Channon Tatum.
She is obsessed with him, and he's like doing some
apology interview where he's like, you know, stop and smell
the flowers. I've gone to therapy. I apologize for what
I've done, you know, and I feel really bad about it.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I'm really sorry.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
We don't know what he did, but you get a
sense of maybe it's like some kind of me too
type of shit, like that's kind of kind of my guess.
But it's enough that he's he's he's gone away for
a while and is trying to like come back into
into the long light. And she's she's really obsessed with him,

(12:38):
like she thinks he's attractive, YadA, YadA. She's a she's
a waitress and her and her friend Jess are like
cocktail waitresses for some company, right, and they end up
working at an event that Slater King is at, and
I believe a year before they were at a similar

(13:01):
event and Slater King talked to Freedom was like, hey,
how's it going, And so she's been ever since, she's
been like, oh.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
My god, he's how amazing he was imagining, so.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Playing off of that, and so they you know, they're
working or whatever, and they're they're too busy paying She's
too busy, too busy paying attention to Slater King and
she's so she's like super obsessed with him. And then
her and jests they had brought like nice clothes, and
so they go into back they change into these nice

(13:32):
dresses or whatever, and then they start acting like they're
supposed to be at the event, and eventually they end
up running into Slater King as Freedom falls and makes
a huge racket and she ends up cutting her hand
on like a champagne glass or what have you. And
when the event ends, he's like, hey, you guys want

(13:54):
to like kind of come hang out, and the hang
out with me and my friends were going to my
private island and they're like, uh uh, yeah, that sounds awesome,
which for me as a man, that's crazy. But I
feel like a lot of people would do this, like
men or women. I don't even mean to make it
about women. I think a lot of people just.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Like, oh shit, jay Z invited me to an island.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Maybe I'll have dinner with him and they'll give me
some advice or whatever. I think people would just go.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Just real quick before when she was talking to her manager,
and her manager was like, Oh, we don't need we
don't need like a repeatab last time she said something. No,
he said something to her, and we would go like, huh,
that's an interesting thing to say to someone, which is
like he told her like, I need you to be
more invisible. I don't know something about that line like

(14:41):
got to me because like because then she ends up
repeating something similar or the opposite of that later on
in the conversation with us, So I thought that, So
that was like one of the one of the throsts.
We would go like hmm, okay, what else is this
going on fold with this person?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, And it's a it's a double it's it's it's
kind of a meaning, right because like when you are certain,
when you are white staff at an event like this,
you're not supposed to be like making a scene, right,
Like you're supposed to be invisible in quotes. But at
the same time, like that's what people tell women, you

(15:19):
know what I mean like, yeah, don't be yeah, you know,
just like men are talking like go over there, yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Better scene not heard, so to speak, and sometimes not
even see. So yeah, they just agree to go to
this island with him because he's a you know, he's
like a big time dude, right, I get he's like
a multi billionaire. But right before that, she meets like
they had kind of been hanging out all evening after
he like picked her up after she fell, right, So

(15:50):
she's like they're kind of in with with Slater King, right,
And he introduces her to his doctor, like a psychiatrist,
and the doctor's like, oh, hey, nice to meet you.
And and his name is doctor rich Stein, and he's
he's being weird, all right, that guy's just being weird.
I'm pretty sure it's to do from Twin Peaks, so
that makes sense. And so he's just like, oh, yeah,

(16:13):
it's very nice to meet you.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
And so she she makes this joke like oh, if
I'm in danger, blink twice and he's like like hello,
you know, like and and so it's kind of a
play on the title obviously, but at the same time,
like you know, it's the line from Tiara's.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Favorite movie You and Danger Girl.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
So so he eventually introduces her to other people, some
other women, some of his like colleagues and shit like
Haley Joe Osmond and Christian Slater, and then some like
young like young guy who's working for him and all
this other stuff. By the way, it's just a really
good cast because all all the dudes, You're like, fucks

(16:57):
up with these guys, and all the women You're like, oh, hello,
like they really do put these like really beautiful women
with these like scummy kind of dudes, and you're just like, right,
m why is Haley Joe Osmond there?

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Like I got a sixties?

Speaker 1 (17:14):
How do know how to know you're gonna? How do
I know that you want?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Christian Slater's like seventy five years old? What the fuck
is he doing there?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Like he was a celebrity when these kids, when these
people were little, actually none of them.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Were born, they weren't alive.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Slater is like he's got to be well into his
sixties at this point, Like.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
No, he's he's in his mid fifties, but this is
still he's only like yeah, he's only like fifty five,
fifty six something like that. I thought he was older.
Than that, like the guy the Volume, like one hundred
years ago. It's a great movie. He's fifty six. Okay, Yeah,
I relax, relax, relax, relax.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I mean, I'm just I'm just saying, like, you know,
age is a beautiful thing. Glad you have all your fingers. Bro.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, well you know what, We'll see how attractive you
find him after he gets his head fucking smashed.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
And I didn't say I foun him attractive. I just
said I'm surprised he was in his mid fifties, so don't.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Do that to him. He's a good actor. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Whatever they put, they put these people. They put these
beautiful women with these a bunch of scummy dudes. They
all get on a plane and they go to a
private island.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I don't know, man, Michael.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
If you if you go to a party and Beyonce
is like, hey me and Rihanna, We're going to a
private island.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
You going, I'm not going to a party, Jay, would you? Yeah?
Exactly what? I not even if I was that type,
I don't think I would. I'm a square I'm a
square man now.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
And Beyonce and Rihanna invited me to a private I'm going,
they gonna kill me. I get that, but I'm gonna
go and have a good time before I go. I'm
there for a short time, a long time. Get out
of here. I'm like, Oh, is Haley Joe Osmond going,
I'm not going now? No, thank you, I don't want
to be I'm just fucking it.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I like that guy. He's all right.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
So they get to the island and one of the
first things they do is like, if we canna have
your phones? And Jess played by Ali shot Kat has
the right response, which is like really, And I would
have been like, is there a return flight?

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Because none of that seems like a good idea if
someone wants to take your phone.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
No, guess what what you're gonna do? No, there's not
a turn flight. Why because of the implication you keep
saying that, what are you saying?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Well, but here's the thing. If you if you are,
if you're partying up with a bunch of rich folks,
especially billionaires, and they tell you to give up your phone,
is that so like? Is that so unbelievable?

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Oh, it's not unbelievable. That's a that's a gigantic red
flag to me. Oh why camera footage like, that's all
I can They.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Could they could they could just say, well, you're not
like to maintain my prophecy because you never know, and
I don't want people reporting this to the media whatever
it can. Like what I'm saying is there's there's so
much that there's enough plaus with plaus with deniability for
for someone to be like someone who is not of
that world, to be like, yeah, this is this is
just what they do. They don't want to they don't
want this all over Instagram, because someone definitely would be like,

(20:31):
look at me, I'm on Slater whatever does the name Slater? Yes, slaking,
Oh that's so interesting. Christian Slater. Okay. I don't know
why I kept thinking Christians later, but sure, yeah, I
mean because there could be someone that's like, yeah, you know,
I'm on Slater's Island part up, here's my location.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Oh I get it. I get it, especially because you
know in the in the beginning of the movie where
when Freda was, you know, swiping through her phone looking
at Slater king things like he got a he got
canceled or arrested or whatever for abuses of you know,
an abusive power. The only thing that we know right

(21:14):
and this let me take your phone is a it
is a power play, yep, and you know it's it's
it's the first test to see you know, Okay, well
what can I get away with? And most narcissists and

(21:35):
rapists aren't afraid to do ship like that, right and
then yeah, like I get it. But to Jay's point,
that's a red flag.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
You know, like like I can't you know, I cannot
abide this, like what yes, uh yeah, be.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Like I just remember that when sorry, going back to
an early same way she but she was like, oh,
but he talked to me because he complimented on my
nails and how that ends up being like such a
big thing later on in the movie. I love that.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
M hm. So they so they get to the they
get to the island.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
He you know, Slater takes Frida to a like her
own private bungalow and they've got like perfume and they
even have clothes for her laid out, and she's like, oh, yeah,
this is great. And she sees this like I don't
know whatever type of makeup that is, I don't know.

(22:42):
I guess it's a lipstick of some sort, and it's
got like a hair in it, which is like.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Like really discussed. Yeah, that's disgusting to me.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
And she was like next time, bitch, like kind of
like oh some other woman was here, so like fuck her.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Okay, more on that later.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
And so as she's about to go get dressed, this
this this woman comes in and she's this old lady
and she's like red Rabbit and she keeps pinning he.
She doesn't speak very much English or none at all,
and she's like red Rabbit, red Rabbit. And the lady
is like Fred just like okay, like she does what

(23:22):
I do when me like okay, sure, and the lady's like, okay,
I'll see your ass later, and she just walks away.
And and so she goes in, she puts on this
this white dress and it's the same like she walks
out and uh, Jess has the same same outfit on

(23:44):
every all the other women they all have similar outfits on,
and everybody is all decked out in white with these
like straw hats, and you know, they even look like
the you know kind of dressed like the people who work.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
On the island and everything else. And so all five
of these women are all you know, in their.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
In their uh, their lovely, pristine white dresses that have
been to them and and like white bathing suits. Like
everything is just really overemphasized to your point. You are
about white and purity and stuff like that, not as
in white as in race, but white as in fabric. Right,

(24:22):
And then the women do what you do on an island,
which is they proceed to get fucking high and drunk. Which, yeah,
if I was going to hang out with a bunch
of celebrities, I'd be like, is their booze or no,
like what the fuck are we doing?

Speaker 2 (24:34):
And so yeah, they're.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
They're all, they're all doing it up. I don't think
it's happenstance that three out of the five women are
are women of color. I think that's a I think
that's a definitely on purpose and I appreciate uh Zoe
Kravitz doing that, right, Like this idea of like this

(24:56):
is not just this doesn't just happen to white women.
It doesn't just happen the black women, it doesn't just
happen to the Latin woman or whatever.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's everybody. Frida Camilla and it is Jess considered because
just like what she had a little I think I think.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
No it's uh Freda, Freda Sarah and and Camilla Sarah. Yeah,
Sarah is Latin and shout out to her. She was
wasn't is that the woman from uh and or?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I believe?

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, so yeah, it's it's I don't think it's by
choice that that they went that they went that way,
so I think that's smart. So so anyway, like they
show the women there just like drinking and everything else,
and Sarah clearly has like some sort of thing for
Slader King, but she's there with Simon Rex's character Cody,

(25:57):
and so it's like, all right, is she in Cody?
Is she really in the slatter? She does seem to
have like kind of a animasi towards Frieda.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
For some reason.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
I was watching this with my wife, who had never
seen it, and she was like, I don't like her,
And by the end I was like.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
See see I didn't like her either.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, no, but you're not supposed to write her.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
I thought that like she was the fitty thing. Oh no,
I'm muted.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
No, Mike is muted.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Oh I At first I thought I was like, did
they have like a history together? Why is she acting?
Why is she acting this way? And the thing is.
I was even thinking like, well, why am I responding
in this way about this woman and Chanitate and possibly
being real love interest considering some fun hit is gonna

(26:49):
happen later. So I just thought that was a really
interesting response, so that what we was able to jump.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, like that's the point, right, and does the Sarah
character even makes it makes that point like if you
don't get it right, like she's like she says that like, oh,
we're trained to be pitt against each other.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
And and it worked on and it worked on you,
and it don't work.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I was like this is and and then and I'm
just thinking like, oh wait a minute, but like clearly
some way where stuff is going to happen later. But
right at that moment, I'm like, I'm like, can't she
just let this black woman like have her shye, like
damn white lady. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:33):
That quickly they pit Latin Latin and black women right
right against each other, like.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
She's white, she's a white Latina. Maybe I don't know
she's white passing.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I guess I can. I mean, they all they all
on an island. They look like they got tans, right,
I can see it.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
I mean I guess I see it. I see enough
of these people. I'm like, I can spot.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah. I found she was not white when she was
getting up out of that pool.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah, like, you know what, I see what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
I see what's going on.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Maybe how natural her hair looked in the humidity.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you got stace here in her
head just looks like a bunch of burnt spaghetti, right,
woman's hair.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Davis, She's always great, she looks great.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Oh yeah, Geena Davis. I was like, I remember when
I said, I was like, the fuck.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Is Geena Davis going here?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Random as fun? That was awesome. Yeah, Like apparently all
the eighties stars are like, I'll be in your movie. Okay.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
So yeah, so there there is that weird thing of
pitting those two characters against each other.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
But again I think that's on purpose. So Frida like
chokes on a raspberry while she's.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Drinking her champagne, which is one of the wildest sentences
I've set out loud before. And ye know, she gets
over it or what have you, and Slayer's like, hey,
do you want to take a walk, and so like
they let you know that no matter what the advances
of other people is Slater has his eyes on freedom,
like that is that is the woman he wants to
be with. It wasn't just bullshit at the party, Like

(29:20):
he really does.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Like her.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
All the while he's he's vaping. I just want to
make that a point for something later.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
They do a good job of him being.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Like this kind of like aloof kind of billionaire, but
also mixing it with Channing Tatum's like actual personality where
you get like a little bit of his like slight goofball,
like really likable self in like like little moments where
you realize like that's how he pulls people in, and
then he's like then he gets like really stoic.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
And you're like, is he gonna stab somebody? Like what
is this guy's problem?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
He does a good job, I think in this role,
and and Naomi Aki does a really really good job
at being sort of all in for whatever is going
on in this almost like naive way, and then when
she snapped out of it, she's like all the way
out of it and you're like, okay, like you fucking
get it, which is which is kind of fun. So
they're they're walking and he's talking about his his therapy

(30:24):
that he's done since his whatever his abusive power was.
And he's saying that, oh, you know, I've you know,
I've done therapy and I've learned to you know, you know,
you know, to forget certain things, and forgetting is a gift,
which again somebody keeps saying forgetting is a gift is
a wild red flag to me, but you don't know that.

(30:44):
It's like the biggest glaring red flag. But you don't
know it until you know what the plot, like, the
ultimate plot of this.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Movie is.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
He he asks her where she got the scar from.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
I don't remember if he's asked her that, but yeah,
which is a really kind of a shitty thing to do.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
He's testing his he's testing this product. Yeah, yeah he is.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah. You know.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
One of the things I found interesting after watching it
the second time is there is a lot of foreshadowing
in like, hey, like when people meet when people meet Frida,
they say a lot of instead of saying like nice
to meet you, all the greetings are are as if
you've met that person before, Like if you go back

(31:30):
and if you go back and watch it, they're all like,
I don't know how to explain it. I can't remember
the exact lines, but it's more of like like how
are you today type of thing versus Oh, it's nice
to meet you, or like what you would say to
someone the first time. It's a it's a very familiar
way of talking to her, which when you watch it
the second time, you're like, oh, okay, Like they are

(31:52):
like bread crumbing the shit out of the beginning.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Of this movie.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
There's also in this scene where her and Jests come
out in the first time, I'm with the and I
think in the white dresses or something, or they're like, oh,
where are we supposed to go? And like the two
I think landscape people are walking by. I think they're staring,
and they're staring at both of them. They're really staring
hard at Freedom as if, as as if and like

(32:16):
now we like now you know, given given the ending,
it's like they're they're looking at her as it'll be
like yeah we see you, Yeah, good to see you.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Welcome back.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
It's like, but yeah, well, welcome back girl. That's that's
what it seems.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Like, which is wild.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
So then they meet Geena Davis. Geena Davis's character, uh,
what's her name? Stace Stace, and she's kind of like
Slater's assistant, right, and she's just like, oh, I moved
some chair this way, and you know, I'm getting these
gifts ready and all this other stuff. And you know,

(32:55):
her character to me was just like internalized misogyny like
that that's what.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
That aracter represents to me.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
And you know, more on her later, But she is
she is there to please Slater King no matter what
I believe.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
The young people call them picknies.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Right, I mean, but like like there were times where
I was I was wondering, like is she his mom?
But like no, she was like he kept calling her Sace,
But I was like, I don't know, white people call
their parents about the first name all the time. But
like if she felt almost too like motherly over.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Him, yeah, I mean I would make the argument that
men who are I mean, you think about like the
red pill sort of shit. Those guys just want moms.
They want their their their their significant others to just
kind of be a mom.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I want you to cook.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Clean, but like you're my mom that I have sex with,
which is weird, right, Like it's a very weird sort
of thing. It's like just get a prostitute. So like, yeah,
but she won't do my laundry, Like, okay, I guess
you have to hire a maid as well, Like you
know what I mean. So I could totally see the
reason for having her, almost in a motherly kind of perspective,

(34:03):
because that's what those kind of dudes want. They just
want subjucation, right, like, just take care of me, just
do everything I want done, and just tell me I'm
a good boy type of thing, which is really weird
and pathetic in my opinion. Actually, I take that back.
It's not my opinion. It's just weird and pathetic period. Sorry,
this is the fact. So then we see we see

(34:27):
them all sit down for dinner in what feels like
an eyes wide shut party to me. Everyone is wearing
all white. I'm sure the food and the wine was delicious.
It all looked very good, and you know, so there
it's just this whole idea of like these dudes bragging
about what they do at the company and how the

(34:50):
women don't really matter. They're just kind of like wall dressed,
you know, like they're just ornamental for the most part.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
In the scen do you think the wait staff knows
what's going on here? Or do they fly out.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
M m I think they are.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Like I know, the grounds the grounds crew probably knows,
right because they have to get the the the snakes
and stuff. But like just the people servant, Like, I
think they all know what's going on here, guys, I
mean staff men, that's what we have. Check check see.

(35:31):
If I guarantee you they are, I guarantee you.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
That I think they were. I think I think the
only woman staff person we see no is the the
Red Rabbit lady, and I think that she's probably the
only female one we see, like the like the housekeepers,
I guess, like as a tradition, as if you're a

(35:55):
traditional hotel. But I think they all knew. I mean
because I mean because here's the thing, like if if
they know, what are they going to do about it? Nothing?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, I mean they're probably not allowed to get off
the island.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, like where are they going? They probably live on
the island.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
My guess is maybe the way staff probably is aware,
but maybe they're drugged as well, and so they don't
remember shit either.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Mm okay, yeah, well maybe they just fly them.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
You know, look, you fly in, serve shit, and fly
the fuck out because we're gonna do some wild, dirty shit.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I hate to even even put it this way, but
I think like it goes back to that whole invisibility thing,
and in that way, they are truly supposed to be invisible.
I don't think it matters that they if they know
or not. In fact, I think they do because like
like I said earlier like or like you said earlier day,
they probably live on island. They know some fun up

(36:55):
ship is happening, and what are they gonna do. No
one's gonna believe them.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, it was just it was just a weird thing
that just popped into my head. It has nothing to
do with with the movie. I'm just like, yo, this
is because this scene, this scene in particular, gets flashed back,
and when this scene at the dinner day gets flashed
back like it's some I mean, it's some wild ship.

(37:20):
It's some nasty, horrible ship going on, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah. Actually, but I actually I think what you said
does does have something to do with the movie about Complicity,
because there's an because it's one of the one of
the male characters in this who I think I think
it's debatable how willing he was to participate and also

(37:45):
if he was impacted by it too.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I'm curious is what his is that what you think
his role.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Was.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
You're talking about the guy that the young the young guy,
the young guy who really got the black eye. Yeah,
I'm curious to hear you elaborate a little more on
that because I had a feeling and then but I
don't know if it's you know, I don't know what's
going on.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
But yeah, I think his situation is very interesting. We'll
talk about when we get there. So, yeah, they're they're
all they're all at dinner, they're all talking about their
fucking apps and ship and I'd be like, just throw
a grenade into this entire conversation, for the love of God,
and I mean a real one, that would be fine.

(38:34):
And what you come to find out is like the
women don't actually know each other right, Like they're all
in the same boat that Freda's in, which is all
of these dudes were just like, Hey, we're going to
this island, like I'm top shit or I know a
top shit guy.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Do you want to go right? Like there's one of
the things you find out, so it disassembles.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Think the thing that at least when I saw it
the first time that I just assume was true. Is
that like the two other women, the white chick and
the Dominican woman, I just assumed that they were friends
and already they were already in the inner circle.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Nah, ain't no women in the in their circle like that.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
There's stas I guess, but like it's just dudes, like
there is no you are not you know, getting into
this this circle of friends and the ship that they
do like you know, it's it is the you know,
he man woman haters club, like there are no women
a love.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Can I can I ask them to that? I would bet.
I would bet that one of the mistakes that Slater
does this this time around with Frieda is inviting her
with her friend because like you, like you just said,
none of the women knew each other, with the exception
of Freda and Jess. And because and because you have

(40:01):
this theme of like woman, it gets women in the
service of men and to get validation from men, it's
easier to have a bunch of women who don't know
one another. In fact, now to think about it, this
actually reminds me maybe a couple of years ago or so,
I went to Vegas with a friend for the Pro Bowl,

(40:21):
the Felt Pro.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Bowl, and you're so rich. Go ahead, go ahead, I'm
not rich. Comedy festival or something, Jesus, come on me.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
I mean tortillas, just tortillas with mayonnaise on him every day.
And you're like, oh, I was at the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Hanging out with yeah, yeah, why why why you're five
ft away from the Gulf of America boohoo. But like
it reminds me of so like when me and my
friend are there and my friend she's like pageant beauty,
like beautiful, right, but they are all these like NFL

(41:03):
players or whatever, and the way that they and I'm
not calling any even predators by the way, I'm just
saying like it's this is what this reminds me of,
Like the way that they just see like groups of
women and they don't even care who they get, right,
But like but seeing how the how the women like
look at each other. And I remember just seeing like

(41:26):
if me and my friend were going behind like to
this like private VIP section and like a club or whatever.
Go ahead, Like I'm not I'm not rich, I'm not rich,
but like seeing the reaction from from these from some
of the other women like the real competitive stairs or
seeing the things they will do to try to get

(41:47):
try to get their attention. It's quite gross. But also
seeing how how how the men know they all know
and and and it feels like like they like, I
could just pick whoever I want because I can, and
because some of the women are willing it until probably
realize that these guys are just assos.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Listen, I saw this this video on Instagram. Okay, look
I laughed. Probably shouldn't have laughed, but I laughed. Okay,
there's four women, uh well, there was five women, uh
you know, looking real nice, like they were getting ready
to a club. Right. Dude walks up and says, hey, ladies, wow,

(42:27):
four of you look really good tonight, and then he
just leaves. And then they started looking at each other like, well,
who's the ugly one?

Speaker 3 (42:39):
And I laughed, I'm sorry, no, but he that's just
just sewing down.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Because because he because he knows, because because he knows how,
he knows how he's one of these guys, right, yeah,
and he's able to because society has trained us, has
trained women to compete with one another too, and it's

(43:05):
trained guys to prey on women's insecurities, and that's what
all these that's what all these red pill you know, uh,
those ball headed, ball headed, weird accented like dudes who
you know who say, buy my course and I'll teach
you how to subjugate your wife or whatever. Like it's it's.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Weird, man, it is, you know, I take. I take
what I said it is predatory because that's exactly how
I felt like it is.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
That's why I said when you're like, I wouldn't call
them predators, I'm like, I would.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I mean, like it's and it's is you can just
tell that they're it's like they know like I'm rich.
I mean you don't. You don't really you don't know
me because my helmet is on, but you know I'm somebody.
You know, I can you know, I have a lot
of power here. But it's just it's it's such a
gross feeling, but it's really sad, but a surprise. And

(44:06):
see how many women will fall in line for just
for just a piece of that power. And also how
like and how some dudes who are not those men
but hang around them will do anything to also try
to get like a little piece of us. So they
can order over other women too.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Yeah, it's it's a very weird state of affairs. Like,
I mean you quite literally find out that the reason
why Sarah is there is because what is that guy's name,
Cody or whatever. Yeah, he's like they met in a
coffee shop and he's like, hey, you know, yeah, I'm
friends with Slater King and she's like, oh, okay, cool,

(44:46):
Like she wasn't particularly interested in him, but because he
is connected to someone that she is interested in or
has an ability to, like, you know, hang out with
a billionaire and maybe like go with a billionaire and
maybe something could happen from there, she is willing to
hang out with this guy who she doesn't she doesn't.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Have any interests, right, And it was so ostitious about
him is that he comes across as like this annoying,
little sympathetic like hey babe, smell this, Oh do you
see this? And like just so like just so annoying,
not even not even cute in a go to retriever
a boyfriend type of way, but someone who was just like, okay, whatever,

(45:29):
I would block you if I wasn't trying to get
to this dude. And he comes then that's how he
comes across as like the part of the uber nice
guy and then you see in a flash, but he
is just as he knew what was going on, So
to make you wonder how how long was he keeping
up that that persona because he knew at the end
of the day he was going to get that woman
to that island. That's that's the stuff that's really really scary.

(45:53):
And I think that's why, like all I'm saying like
this is like a really unfortunate but really good horror
movie for October, because this is something that women do
worry about when they go out with their friends or
if they're out, you know, and they meet meet some
guys who seem really nice but just but aren't and
and and and yeah, it's just yeah, as as I said,

(46:18):
I don't think I really like, I wouldn't call this
will be enjoyable because it's like pretty fucked up.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
No, look, I get that.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I mean in the same ways Get Out is quote
unquote enjoyable, right, you know what I mean, You're like
your faced with this idea of being used as a tool,
as a as a person of color and stuff like that, Like, yeah,
it's not enjoyable, but yeah, I mean, I totally get
that that sentiment, and because Mike and I are both
not women, this is not as much as I can

(46:47):
I can empathize on a lot of this. You know,
all of these horrible things that happen to these women.
It's only it's only surface level, right, Like it just
is it's only as skin deep. But for you, you're like, uh, yeah,
what the fuck? Like ideal with not this direct thing,

(47:09):
but the very like far into this type of shit
every day where guys are saying and doing shit, and
like that's why wouldn't when women talk about like, oh,
guys say x y Z you know, to women and
guys who are like, I don't believe that. I've never
heard guys say that. I'm like, why would you? Like,
but why would you assume that guys talk to women

(47:31):
in the same way they talk to other guys.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
They don't. They don't, like I mean, and I'm not
saying that's all guys, right, I'm not like I.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Don't go to women when I was singing like, hey girl,
let me do x ys Like, I don't say like dirty,
weird shit, but some guys do. Like we've seen video
where women secretly videotape, you know, conversation stuff we see
and hear the ship that guys say, it's fucking outlandish, right, and.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
They think that shit works. I guess for some time
it does, which is wild.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
No, they they can be just as charming as uh chanting.
Tatum's character was oh like your nails, oh, or even
like little things like are you okay? Are you having
a good time? Let's do like just like these these
these little nuances that that show that you care, that

(48:21):
you that you are thinking of someone, that you're centering someone.
And it's the way that we all would like, especially
like especially women. We all want you know, some you know, handsome,
fine rich dude to think that way about us or whatever.
But but but then again it's just and I and
I hate to say this because it's like, I know,

(48:42):
it's like hashing not all men, but this is the
kind of thing where it's like you really have to
try to vet these minutes as close as you can,
because they could all be like be like this and
this and be and then just be completely different people
once you get close close enough to them.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
And this is the thing that makes these people, especially Slater,
really despicable, really despicable. You're naturally charming. You're being nice
to this woman. She wants to be with you. It's obvious,
yet you still feel the need to do this. Yeah,

(49:23):
that's a super weird. That's a super weird. Like it's
not like it's not like your Elon musk and you're
built like your torso is built like the cyber truck,
right Like, it's not like you're a weird guy. Right like, Like.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
He's very rich, you know, you know, you know where
you have like the cannabiscuits and you pop open with
this phone.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
That ain't right. That ain't right.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
It's true, it's true, but it's true. I don't regret
what I said. That's pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
It feels accurate. It does feel accurate. I really do
appreciate a good visual metaphor. And that was out of
the park. Nail Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
He is a he is a like just a physically
well I would argue inside and out, but he is
a very ugly person.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Like he just does yes, he just is.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
He had to have one hundred and fifty billion dollars, Like,
how else is it gonna happen? Like charm wit no
artificial even still gross. I feel sorry for the turkey
baster have my babies.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I'd rather know. Thanks. So then we see they're all
at dinner.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
You know, Lucas, the youngest guy, he's there and he's
explaining how he's so excited to be hanging out and
everything else, and you know, he's fucking naive young kid.
Then we have Christian Slater. He's there and he's like, hey,
I have an offering for dessert psilocybin and M D

(51:19):
M A. And they're all like, yeah, let's do some drugs,
which is cool, I guess.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
And so they do. They do a whole lot of drugs.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
And look, I don't I don't advocate for doing heavy
drugs with strangers. That feels like a bad idea. I
certainly don't advocate doing that on an island because of
the implication, uh like, don't do that. But I guess

(51:51):
she thought because she was there with her buddy. Right,
you got your you got your your you're doing your
buddy thing.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Jess is there.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
So you guys are both doing drugs, you're looking out
for each other.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, is this a good representation of the thought process,
because like, the first thing that we all do not
we all do. The first thing that some people the
first thing that some people do when stuff like this

(52:23):
is found out about is that they blame the victim
and it's like, well, why'd you do this? And why
did you do that? And why'd you do this? Is
this a good representation of how things can just kind
of be a slippery slope and you're just kind of
doing it and not really thinking about it, and just like,
is this and in your experience to you, well, not

(52:47):
your experience, but you know, I assume you are a
little more in tune with this than I'll ever be.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, I mean, you know I can. I mean I
can go back to the to the thing else earlier
with going to vegans and stuff like that. There's this
there is this feeling that at the end of the day,
you will be safe even if you know that you're
in really see the environments because you're with your friend,
like you don't you don't hold on. Alexis started talking like,

(53:21):
there's this there's this feeling that like what oh, okay,
Like when you're with a friend, you you think that
you know you have each other's back because you do,
but it also makes it so much easier to make
not great decisions when it comes to drinking and hanging

(53:43):
out with people with people you don't know, and and
then also depending on on what the occasion is and
if especially if you're there to have fun, it's easy
to believe that everyone else is also there just to
have fun. And then there's no one else who's there
even you. You know that there are people out there
who are going to try to harm you, take advantage

(54:04):
of you. You don't really think about it in the
moment where you're meeting a group of folks with your
friend and they're like, yeah, we're having a good time.
You want to have a good time. You just think
that everyone is just there to have fun, So yeah,
this is this is how it can happen. I think

(54:24):
the other thing is is that when if something does
happen and you have to explain how the night went you,
I mean, you know, people aren't always empathetic because they'll say, exactly,
we just makeing like well, why did you drink? Why
did you take a drink from from a guy you
barely knew? Why did you use tequila shots with with

(54:45):
a bunch of folks you didn't know? Like even if
with your friend. Why didn't you look out before your friend?
You know your friend is getting too drunk, so why
did you get too too drunk? I will also say
this is that like in with me, with me and
my friend when we went out her Now we drink
a lot, but even then, because I'm the older, I
was the older one, there was a part of me

(55:08):
that realized I could not be more drunk than she was,
even though I was still drunk. It makes no sense,
but I could not be more no one, But I know,
I know, I know, but that's just like because again
we're all just we're just trying to have fun. No
one out here trying to get a salts or anything
like that. But it just it feels so it can

(55:29):
feel very naive, but that's just how it shakes out sometimes.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Yeah, no, I I have to imagine. I mean, like,
you don't drink, you're you're lame, but you know people
who have fun.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
When you do. T r absolutely right, Like there are
plenty of times.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
I mean, I obviously I don't have to think about
you know, sort of that aspect, right you're talking about,
but it is there is that whole point of you
have one drink everybody you know, having a good time vibing.
I believe it's the the term young people are using now,
and it can just kind of snowball, right, and if

(56:12):
in tr is right, that exact point of you forget
that not everybody there is to have fun and I
have I have actually been at parties and this is
the clothes. This will be probably the absolute closest to
getting to TR's point that I can get to personally,
which is I have been around dudes who are like,

(56:33):
clearly they are eyeing some woman getting drunk and they're like, yeah,
I'm gonna like try to make something happen. I've been
around that type of shit, and that's a that's a
that's a fucked.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Up situation because you're like, dude, what the fuck are
you doing?

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Like and I've had to say this, like yo, just
leave her alone, like because you don't even when you're
drunk as a dude, even if you weren't like yeah,
I'm gonna do that.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
I'm gonna not drink and I'm just gonna go after
that woman.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
You can get in that mindset if you're a scummy
dude when you're drinking, like oh, I'm gonna try to
hook up with that girl. It's like, dude, that girl
can barely stand like this is a bad idea, right,
And so sometimes you have to then step in and
be like yo, relax, like this is not a good idea.
But there are plenty of times guys don't do that,
and you know, they'll you know, and sometimes they go

(57:22):
home they sleep together or whatever, and it's fine between
the two of them, and sometimes that should happens, and
it's not fun. So you at least have to be
a person that goes, hey, man, like not a good idea.
Don't fucking do that. And then you know, sometimes like ah,
and they're so drunk they you know, like have another drink.
They sit down and never get up from their seat
and they don't fucking remember.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
But then some some guys will push back and shit
like that, like it's a it's a that's a hard situation.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Right, and it is.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
It's very it can be very difficult because you don't
want to be you don't want to come off like
the the the societal thing for guys, it's like you
don't want to come off is like not I want
to have a good time type of shit, like you
don't want to fuck up the vibe. Like there's a
lot of that, but there's also the like what kind.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Of person are you? Truly?

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Yeah, Like there's a lot of peer pressure in drinking
and sh like that. That for people who've never never
drank or never been in those situations, like firsthand, it's
hard to imagine like explaining to people. And I'm sure
Michaels thought is what the fuck is wrong with all
of you? Right, which is a valid process to be honest.
And Michael, I know you know this movie. I don't

(58:30):
know if Tiaras seen this, but you remember the movie
Promising Young Woman. Remember that the woman who drunk at
clubs and shit, and then guys would like try to
take her home, and then when they got her home,
she'd be like, yeah, I'm actually not drunk, and then
like call them out for them trying to like.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Sleep with her and all this other shit. It's a
good movie. Yeah, I came out in twenty twenty. It's
very good.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I'll also add to that is that like, as as
a woman, I'm when I'm hanging out with my with
my girlfriends and we've been in situations where we're drunk,
we always keep an eye out for each other when
when when someone is getting pulled away by another guy,
even if it's a guy that that we've recently become

(59:11):
quick friends with in a in a quick friend group
while we're out, because we don't know what can happen.
And and this is honestly at the at the risk
of being called like the you know, the not I guess,
the not fun friend or whatever like. So I've had
I've been in both sides of it. But I've had

(59:32):
situations where, you know, a guy which had to put
my friend a friends like, oh, let's just you know,
why don't we just go somewhere whatever, And I'd be like, oh, no,
she's staying with me, like or something like like, oh
you know, we actually got to go. Our uber is
about to be here. And they're like, oh no, it's okay,
Now I got her. No, no, I can take her home. Nope, nope, no,
I got her. I'm the one who's to talk to

(59:54):
her parents in the morning, even though we're both like adults.
But still it's just like it's it's it's trying to
keep them safe. But you'll see the links that some
men will do just try to get like you said,
they like the one they've been had an eye on alone.
But also how their friends won't do anything. How their
friends will be like, oh no, that's fine, he just
about to go and look with some girl. Like even

(01:00:16):
the friends, you can't even count in their friends to
really step in because their friends are likely trying to
do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Well, men are Men are taught that that's how, Like,
quite literally, men are taught from a very young age,
Like in the dating age is divide, divide and conquered.
That's that's how you. That's how you that's how you win.
Aka you sleep with women right as a group of y'all,
like you're sending all your wingmen to break the group up,
and then you try to go for the girl. Like

(01:00:42):
that's quite literally how guys operate. And I'm not even
saying like when it's when it's an innocent perspective where
you're like trying to talk to your friend, you get
the bug out of here, like trying to get a number,
there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I'm totally fine with that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
But when it comes to like alcohol and drugs and
shit like that, that's where it becomes a very different conversation. Right,
it's very very different. But guys are literally taught that.
And if you're a guy and you're like, I never
did that, you're full of shit. Every guy is taught
this like it just is what it is. But again,
when you're talking about with drugs and alcohol, that's a
different conversation. But every guy is taught like trying. That's

(01:01:17):
why wingmen, that's why the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Turn, that's why they're called wingmen, right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Distract the friend so I can try to talk to
the thing, like, you know, talk to this girl like Tiera.
Would you describe a like like coming in and I
know she's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Coming with me?

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Men hate you, I'm telling you because you're like, yo,
get the fuck out it like anybody talking to you like,
and it doesn't matter who you are, would you look
like you are fucking up my plan? That's what it is.
So we are taught from a very young age that
that's what we do. The problem is that go that's
fine when it's just trying to get a girl's number

(01:01:53):
at a mall right, you have security square mallets where
I used to go trying to get trying to get numbers, right,
there's nothing wrong with that. However, when you when you're
older and you put alcohol and drugs involved, and then
your hormones are fucking through the roof and you and
you make a lot of piss poor decisions and shit
like that. And there's also people who are just really scumbags,

(01:02:13):
right like, because I don't want to pretend that everyone
is just and happens, so some people very much have
a plan they want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
When you couple all of that sort of conditioning and
and you know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Drugs and alcohol together and potentially just you know, bad actors,
that makes for a recipe for disaster. Right So you
do have to understand as a guy why women are
like that, right Like, it sucks if you're just trying
to be a genuine I don't mean it's in a
like a you know, quote unquote, but you're genuinely trying

(01:02:45):
to be a nice guy. You just want to talk
to this girl. There's nothing wrong with that, And it
sucks when that happens. But that's the reason women do it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Yep. And we can and a lot and we can
tell who's a creeper. That's nothing we have. We even
when we can tell who's like when we're looking out
for our friend. Maybe not when it comes to us
as like for ourselves, which is you know, right, but
like but like we can peep when when when we're
when we see someone the froen, we're like, no, get if.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
The guy stand in the corner doing this, like yeah, yeah,
if he's doing a.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Birdman hand rub, that niggas a problem, Like I'm look
at his lips too much. You're like, oh, get away
from if you if you if you like her enough,
y'all can swaps and y'all can d at each other
in the morning when you're sober. You know, I'm so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Glad I'm out of the day there. If a woman
was like, here's my Instagram, I'd be like, oh, you're
just blowing me off. I got it, Like I would
not take that as here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
No no, no, no, no, and no and getting someone's
like you can be can be serious like that's your
personal personal stuff. You'll have a location on there. I'm
I'm I'm at a MC movies with my friend. Come
come hang out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
It's like, no, that's that's your first problem. Y'all got
at cation services turned.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
On Rember the four Square. Yeah, everybody wanted to be
the mayor of some ship. Oh so this is where
you go every day?

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Good good thing you can. By the way, you can
share your location. Did y'all know, Like if on your
Instagram DMS you can actually put where you are in
that moment, Like it's a feature that came out maybe
a couple months ago. So you but you have to
go in and disable it. Otherwise people can 'esp. Basically
share your location. Others people can see where you are
on the map anytime.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I don't talk to anybody over Instagram DMS, but to share.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Yeah, But what I'm saying is I think for for that,
for that feature, you had to go and disable it
and make sure there was an one Otherwise people because
see you like you know where they are, which is
at the Yeah, that's where that's where we hang out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
This is why, this is why my daughter is not.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Getting social media, Like no thanks from all my friends
have it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I don't care. And you can't have a phone either, Liken,
get you a flip phone. You call me your mom.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Hopefully I'm gonna be that type of dad I want
to get on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
No, it's evil, it's bad. What happened to that character.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Honestly, honestly, like it sounds like Day's gonna be fighting
one battle after another.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
I mean, the chances of my daughter actually looking like
her is pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
High, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
So yeah, so from there we just see there's just
series after series.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Of drunken party.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
And then Jess is like, no, man, feel a little weird,
right because she had she got bit by a snake
right on the island. Uh, the snake bit hurt. And
so suddenly Jess is like, and now I'm feeling a
little weird, Like you don't think something is like weird

(01:06:16):
is going on type of shit. And she's like, I
kind of want to go. And Freda is like, go,
I'm having the time of my life, like don't fuck
this up for me, like please, Like I'm I'm two
feet away from getting Slater King, okay, like just knock
it off.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
And so she's like, all right, all right, we gotta stay,
we gotta stay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Come on, and Jess, Jess is bowing to peer pressure
from her friend. She's trying to help her friend. She's
she's trying to be a good wingman.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
But nah, she this was and this is what I
I appreciate about this movie is that Frida is being
a bad friend at this point, right, she is like
and and but you still, you know, feel for like
Freda is a is a real person because like, obviously

(01:07:09):
you feel sorry for her towards the end, but she's
being a. She's being a. She's being a bad friend here,
and depending on your feelings about the ending, that can
lead you one way or the other in terms of freedom.
But that's what I like about this character is that
she is like a. She feels real, like the decisions

(01:07:34):
that she makes, Yeah, I could see a real person
making these decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
M hm, yeah, no I don't disagree. So we see Freda,
you know, the next day, you know her, and just
go to sleep. Next day, Frida gets up, she goes
into into this house. She sees all these like these
red gift bags everywhere. These are the same gift bags

(01:08:02):
that Stace was holding earlier. And so she goes into
this this hut and sees all of this, and she
sees that that that that woman, the housekeeper who kept
calling her red rabbit. She she sees her, and the
woman's like, I don't want to drink, and she gives
her this this drink and she starts like choking and coughing,

(01:08:26):
and she's like, oh my god, that's horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It tastes so strong Jesus Christ. She's like, what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
And the woman is like takes like a blanket and
she's like, oh, this is what it is, and and
it's snake venom. And so she starts freaking out and
she runs out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Look, I I will eat and drink many strange things.
I don't mind.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
I like, I'm I like food and all sorts of,
you know, interesting things. I think i'd be pretty pissed
if somebody gave me snake venom. And I don't think
I would. I don't think i'd be pleased.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Oh you know what. One thing, there was a where
when they're all like clearly all high or whatever, and
the women are like it looks like they're chasing each other,
but you don't know what's going on in that moment,
but it sounds so creepy and now and now it's
just hit me that like when they probably thought they
were all like playing like a like a fun game

(01:09:17):
of hide and seek, and that is not what was happening.
They were running for their lives.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
And then they just stop and it was like, wait,
why are we running? Just start laughing. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
And so then they wake up the next day and
everybody is like kind of tired and a little like
kind of worn out and everything else, and you know,
the guys are all kind of laughing and they seem
relatively fine. All the women are just kind of worn out,

(01:09:52):
and they're like, oh, what happened to your your I
Lucas see the young guy and he's like he's got
this huge fucking shiner. He's like, I don't know, I
have no idea. He's like, I don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
It's like it's spectacular, right, And.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
So all the guys are like, hey, we're gonna go.
We're gonna go fishing, and all the women are like, yeah,
a little bit of a hangover, I'm gonna I'm gonna
stay back. And they're like, Ronn, you know, would you
mind if we all just had like a lady's day
by ourselves and you guys go fishing whatever. And they're
like all right, cool, like no problem. And so at

(01:10:31):
this point Sarah is like, hey, she takes she takes
the lighter out that Jess had, right, it was Jess's
lighter and they'd been borrowing it back and forth throughout
the movie because they were all smoking weed, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
At one point she's like, oh, yeah, that's that's Jessic's lighter,
and all the women are like, who's Jess And they
all simultaneously like turn to Freedom, like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Who are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
She's like, my best friend that's been here the whole time,
and they're like are you joking? Like who the who
the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
You like, yeah, you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
You don't look so good, like fu's going on with
you and it, And it feels like a very like
Stepford Wives kind of moment where you think, oh shit,
are they all in on it? And you know, Frida
is the only one like kind of all by herself
and all of this, but that is clearly not the case.
Later on, Uh, Frida runs off. She runs into Stace,

(01:11:30):
and Stace is like, I don't I don't know who
you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
I don't know Jess.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
And they open the Jess's room and it's just a
storage room, like there's none of her ships there. They
just have just a bunch of shit thrown in there.
And so she starts to think like maybe she's she's
hallucinating and she's like, you know, like losing her mind
type of shit. And then she hits the mirror in

(01:11:57):
the bathroom and the knife that is the chef is
Cody's falls from behind it, right because Jess hid the
knife right. It was like you know, in case shit.
And when Freda sees that, she realizes like, okay, like
something's up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Sarah comes a quick flashback of like just with the knife,
saying hide this right, like you get flashes of of
Freda's memory coming back right, and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Yeah, this, this, this whole sequence is very smartly done
because this is where you start to unravel the mystery,
and they do it. They do a really good job
with that. And then Sarah comes to the room, to
Freda's room and she's like, hey, you're talking about your
friend Jess, and she shows her the lighter and Jess's
name is on it and she's like all right, like
the fuck is going on? Like I think I would

(01:12:54):
have remembered a whole whole last person being.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Here and she had the snake of him right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Yeah, so the snake venom is what is kind of
waking her up from being drunk. And then Frida shows
shows Sarah how she has like a bruise on her arm,
and or like Sarah shows Freda that she has a
bruiser arm. She doesn't know where the fuck it came from,
and she's like, I think I would remember. I was
on Hot Survivor Babes like so it's like she's like

(01:13:22):
kind of a tough drink, and so she's like, yeah,
I think I would remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
And she's like, I don't fall off. I don't fall
out of trees. That was a winner.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I don't fall out of trees. It is a wild statement.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
So then she eventually, Sarah is convinced by Frida to
drink the snake Venom and she's like, look like try
this and you know, see what you think type of ship.
And then she drinks it and all of her fucking
memori start flooding back and she starts remembering, like the

(01:13:57):
fuck is going on, like she remembers Jess and all
this other shit. And so they start giving all the
women snake venom margaritas to to get them to drink
to drink it, and you know, they're all like, yeah,
it's great, and so they just start drinking and drinking
and drinking, and so then they all start kind of

(01:14:19):
remembering the ship, and then they give it to Stace.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
She remembers as well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Like she starts to kind of their memories kind of
come back, their memories fully come back.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
When they're like no starts bleeding. I guess that's that's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
The indication of like all of the all the ship
is out of their system. And once that happens, they
all start like they they start fucking flipping out and
they're standing there and at one point Sarah is like
fully remembering I guess a lot of shit, and Cody

(01:14:55):
comes up behind her and she elbows that guy right
in the nose, which good thinks she broke his nose.
And then every everybody starts kind of like fucking figuring
the shit out, and all the women are like pretending
they don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
So so the first two women, uh Freda and Sarah,
they are, you know, they're they're out of it for
like they they they have they're being unfogged basically, and
they're they're like eighty percent out of it, and they
start like, okay, we we convinced the other girls to
take a to take the shots, but you know it's

(01:15:37):
gonna take a while, and let's go make a plan,
let's go get our phones. And the guys are coming back.
So Freda goes out to look for the phones while
Sarah is there, you know, trying to distract other dudes
who just came back fishing. And meanwhile, I think Frida

(01:15:59):
says something, or if Sarah says something like, I mean,
these women are taking time bomb, right like, so, so
you gotta so, you gotta so, you gotta running clock
of you know in the background, right of like oh shit,
like they're gonna come out of it, but the audience
doesn't win. Meanwhile, these guys are coming and this like

(01:16:23):
this section of the movie this so this like starts
the second half of the movie, and the second half
is is really tension filled, right like it's it's it
does a really really good job of making you uh yeah,
of creeping you out, freaking you out, not creeping me out,

(01:16:45):
but like freaking you out because there's a lot of
combustible elements here. Right. The audience is smart enough to know, hey,
these dudes are not on the up and up. They're
probably like assaulting these women. And and when when when you
know that Sarah says, hey is a taking time bomb. Hey,

(01:17:06):
Slater's going to look for Freda. Sarah's over screaming about
big blunts because that was the that was the cold
word and ship of fat ass blunt some shit like
it's it does a really really good job of like
very quickly ratcheting up tension.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
You know, you know what it is. It's like it's like,
as the audience we're watching, it feels a groundhog Day
over and over right, but the but the characters, the
women don't know that they're living like this groundhog Day scenario.
But now we see two of the women who are
now seeing it, seeing what we see, which ass that
asset attention. And now it's like they have to pretend

(01:17:49):
to like to still be in on it. Like so
now they have to be like, Okay, I'm gonna smoke
a little bit here, and you're wondering, like this is
what I was thinking today. I was like, I was like, no,
Sarah's like about to like smoke that fat ass blunt,
and you don't. I did not want her, her, her, her,
her to be any in any kind of altered state

(01:18:09):
while understanding that she is in danger and that she's
been in dangerous whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Because that's something else that that's something else that that
to my understanding, like if if a woman is is
you know, if someone if one of these dudes gets
a woman drunk or some ship and and then starts
to rape them, like sometimes women come out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
You know, fucking like what do you do? Right? Like
do you have to sit there? And and and like
some it depends on the person, I guess, but like
it's it's it's scary, man, it's scary, Like I can't like,
I can't imagine. I really do you respond and up
being responded immediately? Do you pretend? And and do you

(01:19:03):
sit there and go along with it? Because like, well
the alternative could be even worse, like I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Because because because clearly, because clearly when you remember and
in the case of Sadly Jess who whose body will
probably never be found ever, you know, she remembered and
they killed they killed her on the spot. So and
at the same time, it's like and and that's the
thing that asks the attentions that you see Sarah and
Freda beginning to work together, and they are smart enough

(01:19:35):
to know that you have to continue to pretend. But
there's no guarantee that the other two women will Will
Will Will will keep up that facade, which if they
end up breaking out of it, that you know Freda
and Sarah are also out of it too. And and
the other thing is that they gave shots to Stace.
They gave some to Stace too, And Stace is also

(01:19:57):
seemingly you know, okay and everything is she but she's
a ticking time bomb too, but you just don't know that.
Stace is like, yeah, I know what's going on, and
I am totally okay with what's happening. Well maybe not
totally okay, but okay enough to okay enough to let
that shit continue, and and and the whole time you're

(01:20:19):
wondering what does and what like because these men are
so are so cunning and can and are so manstrous
that you're wondering what Channing Tatum notices? When? When does
he notice that Freedom's behavior changes? When did Cody notice? When?
When do any of them? When does it stop just

(01:20:39):
being like, oh, it's all jokes because we can joke
about it because we're really nice guys, versus like, holy fuck,
these women are awake and they know exactly what we're
doing to them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
I think I think Slater notices it well before the
other dudes. I think I think the other dudes are
just like dudes, and they don't get ship until it's
uh hitting them until it's melted and and and pounding
them in the face with a toilet with the top
of a toilet bowl or a slab of granite of
some ship. Right, Like, I think they don't get it

(01:21:12):
until until they get it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
But Slater, I think of nowhere, why are you so mad?

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Like, like.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Come from.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
What's okay? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
I mean I I appreciated the moment that Frida fully remembers, right,
because this stuff comes in layers, right, they start to
realize like something's off and everything else, and then when
their nosebleeds, they fully remember everything. And she remembers that
as she's under the desk hiding from Slater, is when
she has like the full fucking all the memories of

(01:21:50):
the them being held down, just being killed, all of
that ship. That's when she that's when she actually remembers
on them. And so here she is trying not to
have this breakdown while she's trying to hide as well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
She she runs off.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
And sees everybody there, and then she sees the guys
and and they're all Sarah and Frieda are like trying
to pretend and they're like they're laughing, but they're they're crying,
like you know, but they're trying to be like everything is,
Everything's great, like, oh, I can't wait to hang out

(01:22:27):
with all the guys again, like fucking hell, like what
are we gonna do? And meanwhile they're like stopping to
take pictures and shit, and like that tension is is
very real, and you're right like combining that with you know,
the guys coming up and they don't know that they're

(01:22:49):
these women are so Slater is like hugging on Freda
and everything else. For her, She's literally being hugged on
by her rapists, you know what I mean. Like these
guys are doing horrendous shit to them and she's got
to play.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Nice and everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
And I gotta tell you this movie and I got
it when I first heard it, but like for guys
who don't understand, and I don't think it's a lot
of guys, but I do think it's enough that is
disturbing to me. Do you remember a couple of months
ago when it was a like would women choose.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
The bear or a guy thing?

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Right that that scenario, and women were like, yeah, I
choose the bear, and guys are.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Like women are idiots broke.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
It's like, I have a hard time understanding how you
don't understand this. Like the point here is that even
these guys who may have seemed like a bunch of
rich douchebags but they didn't seem like they would necessarily
be capable of these things that they're doing, are capable.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Of these things, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
And even though they take you to amazing dinners and
pay for you know, all this stuff and like, you know,
you know, more than a twenty eight dollars dinner, and
let's say there's a callback, and even though they're spending
all this money on them and treating them with like,
you know, so high class, they are capable of real

(01:24:16):
scumbag behavior. And it's like, to TR's point earlier, like
you have to vet these people to such an insane degree,
like the fact that women find men to date and marry,
it's actually remarkable, to be honest, Like, it really is remarkable,
And it's not because most guys are scumback pieces of shit.

(01:24:37):
Is that I am shocked at like at a certain
point women are just like, you know what, I don't
trust it, you know what I mean, Like it's just
I'm surprised that doesn't happen more often.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yeah. The other thing, the use of the polar worate
in the camera is so dehue humanizing. It's such a
humanizing tool that's used to catch these women in the
most vulnerable moments. Everyone in the most vulnerable moments, right,
because like at first it's again it's used to be

(01:25:12):
like hey, picture, like god, because obviously they're not using
their phones, but it's like catching what you would think
of these really fun moments, like you know, once in
a lifetime, straight parting for days. But then you realize
that they were definitely likely using taking photos of them
while they were raping those women to further add to
their humiliation. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
And also, like you get that scene in the hut
with all of the like the red bags and what
have you, and you realize that they have been giving
out this drug to other rich men and just sending
them on their way. They're not all doing this shit
on the island. They're doing all this scumbag shit in
their personals. Yeah, which is really telling in and of itself.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Who are who are who are the men who are like, yeah,
I'll give it a shot. And then in or or
and worse or are some of the men who are
who who are offered this and say no? But don't
say but don't say anything.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
That's a very good question. That's a very good question.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Now my business, what.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Do you want to mine?

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Rape your wives and girlfriends or random women?

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
No, I'm good. You my best friend, like, nah, that's crazy.
But I.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
As much as I think that is very much a
guy thing, I think that's a very people thing. Yeah,
of course, Yeah, I mean people, people are most people
are real. I don't want to rock the boat mediocre,
stay in there, stay in there lane type of ship,
even in the face of horrendom ship like they are
did you start? I mean they are so. I mean,

(01:27:02):
guys do it. But I unfortunately I do not think
it is it is just dudes. But yes, in this movie,
they certainly are making that point.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
And so all the women now are kind of like
they are.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
They're all awake, and they're all sitting here having so.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
The the other two aren't fully awake yet, but well
they get to right at this dinner they do. We
get to the dinner scene. And at the dinner scene,
uh free to is she she's woke? Right? And we
get the what really happened at the previous dinner scene?

(01:27:52):
And it is it like it comes out of nowhere
and it hits you like it hits you right, like
in the fucking face, right like I don't even want
to I don't even want to describe it. But there's
some there's some heinous ship going on. Yeah, and you know,

(01:28:13):
people are tied up, people are being chased. The young
guy is the young guy getting getting Uh it looks
like the young guy is trying to stop, but Slater
is holding him back. Maybe No, I did not read
it like that. I read it as Slater was like,

(01:28:37):
why aren't you doing anything?

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Yeah? Yeah, that's that's that's how I saw it because
I wrote it down to that with the characters that
was like, it's Lucas that he was the only one
in that scene that wasn't doing anything, like in terms
of like he wasn't participating in it. And when you
have that plus him that remembering what happens with I,

(01:29:02):
it made me wonder was he also being drugged.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Too, Yeah, I think he was. Yeah, he was being drugged.
But I'm at I'm at one hour, seven minutes and
four seconds. Slater is saying stop it, and the other
guy is saying, this is so fucked up man. Oh,
and you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
He's he looks like he's trying to stop what's going
on the woman.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Right, or at least like like walk over there and like, hey,
what are you doing? Right? And I think and I
think that's how he got his black eye, right, Slater
was just like, you know, bam, shut the fuck up right, right,
and which you know, yeah, because Slater's like, you got

(01:29:50):
to grow up, man, and the other guy's like, no,
I can't, like please, like what are we doing? And
then we pan over to and then we pan over
to what I can't remember what this woman, uh, the
one not to be fucked with name the Dominican woman
from Dykman. Yeah, she is not she is not, she's

(01:30:16):
she's she's tied up on a steak and it is
and then we get and then we cut back to
Freedom and she's she's laying down, you know, crying, gagged,
and Rich and Slater are standing over him and Rich

(01:30:37):
is like, so she's not gonna remember any of this,
and it's it's it's wild, man, Like it is wild,
Like you don't you don't see stuff like this in
American cinema, No you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Yeah, And and what is what Slater says, like, oh,
the the worst it is, the more they forget.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Yeah, So it just makes you wonder, like to what
it's like. And I think this is where up to
the view you can only imagine like the horror they
put these women through for for him, for him, for
him to for him to come to that conclusion, like
the worst it is for them, the more they forget you,
they have done some horrific stuff to those women.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Yeah, this scene is very very very good and also
extremely fucked up because this this balance between absolute depravity
and this like fun like fun dinner where everyone is
like drinking a little too much or a little too high,

(01:31:49):
but everybody is like smiling and laughing and it's and
it's weird because the women are some you know, some
level of animated and everything else, and some of the
guys are joining in on it. But if you watch
like Hailey Joe Osmond's character when she when Carmela is talking.
He's just staring at her right, like just yeah, yeah,

(01:32:13):
just like I can't wait for you to fucking like
we get done with this, and I'm gonna do all
sorts of horrible shit to you because that's just that's
the type of person I am.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
He just doesn't. He's just seeing her.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
As something to attack, something to conquer. And meanwhile, Sarah
and and Freeda are doing their fucking level best to
pretend to be like happy and sunny about everything. Meanwhile
they know exactly what has come right and what these
guys are going to try to do, and so then
they like they put on some music and they start

(01:32:48):
they start dancing so they can.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Oh, real quick. This is where Sarah is, you know,
talking to the audience, and you know, she's like, hey,
you know, women have been taught to compete against each other,
you know, and we really should be helping each other,
you know, supporting each other. Like she can't, you know,

(01:33:12):
she she's she's talking to the audience, but she's also
like coming to this realization, like she she's she's reaching
the end of her arc, right, and you know it's
she said, because it's scary, right, it's scary out there,
so like you gotta you gotta come together, right, like

(01:33:36):
y'all got to be on a team. And it's and
uh and and that that makes me say it, you
know that women gotta feel like that. Women got to
feel like they have to look out for each other
because one men won't look out for them or two
will take advantage. And yeah, I don't know, man, It

(01:34:00):
just and like social media doesn't help, you know what
I mean? You know, all this men versus women's stuff
online is you know, it's it's it's detrimental to society.
And I really hate when black people do it. I

(01:34:22):
really hate it. M It makes it makes me sick, man,
because we got enough, we got enough bullshit that we
got to deal with that. We can't be turning on
our own. We can't be you know, because because you
don't want to get cald or simp or whatever like

(01:34:46):
na man, like fuck that bro. It just doesn't It's
very weird to me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
I was gonna say, like so also in that scene,
and this is something that Slater does when he looks
he like, you know, you're right, you know, women, Like
he said something like something to like something affirming to
what Sarah was saying. And I'm gonna tell you to
tell you this because y'all are married and so y'all
are that out here in these single streets. But something

(01:35:16):
is noticeable is when you have when you have men
who weaponize very liberal or or feminist way of speaking,
and you would think that like, okay, if you meet
someone who said who who was like, yeah, you know

(01:35:38):
I believe, you know, I believe all women should band together,
and I'm a I'm a male feminist, and you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Know, like it, don't label yourself like just the way
you're supposed to act.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Also, you don't have to call yourself a male feminist,
just say you're.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
A feminist, right, but so like, but it's like they
but it doesn't feel genuinely feels so manipulative and the
way in the performative, yes, but manipulative specifically because they
write on their own their profiles, because because it's it's
like they're using all these catchphrases that would you know,
attract attract a woman and think that they're think that

(01:36:17):
they're deepn than they are and you realize that no,
they're at their predatory assholes. It happens all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
I know how y'all do it. I don't know how
you do it, I.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Really, I mean, but but what we said earlier, like
sometimes you're surprised about how some of these men find partners.
When I'm gonna write it, that's what I think. I'm like,
how are y'all meeting these terrible last people? Like? How
do you end up ending up with these marriage How
are y'all ending up with these marriages with these terrible
last people? You know? But yeah, no, it's got to

(01:36:53):
be hard.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
It's got to be hard out there now, because I
do feel like there is a there has been a
huge shift since COVID when it comes to like how
men and women talk to each other, especially like online personalities.
But it and it was bad, but it has gotten
seemingly exponentially worse since COVID. When people are just in
the house by themselves for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
What did you say, Haley, Haley Joel Osmond's character did
you were saying something about.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
It was just like he was just staring at Camilla,
like when she was talking at the dinner table, when
he's like he stops laughing and he's just staring at
her in a way that that feels it feels awkward.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
It just looks like he's it just looks like I
don't know, I don't know. I don't know if you,
I don't know if you would get it to her.
But sometimes like when dudes, when dudes just like want
somebody to shut the fuck up, it's just like, yeah, yeah,
let's okay, all right, wrap it up, wrap it up.

(01:38:00):
I do it. I do it at least once a week.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
But but but in this case, he's doing that because
he because he's just ready to do what he gets.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
I think he's ready to pounce, right, I think I
think he's ready to pounce. And I think he's ready
to like it's like all right, like let's hurry up, right,
like I uh, it's here, I got four hours, let's go. Yeah.
But he just he just sees them as victims. It

(01:38:29):
just seems yeah, it just seems weird to me. And look,
maybe I'm reaching, right, maybe I'm reaching, but like you
brought it up and I see it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Yeah, And look he's all over her the second they
started dancing. He's like he's right there because he can't
wait to fucking do whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Dirty ship. By the way, all of these dudes, they
gotta they gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
It's a term you could use, a Bill Cosby esque
way about them, which is they for some reason can't
get women by talking to them and being re all.
They have to drug them and do horrible ship to them.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
It's the only way.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
But said they could get women without drugging them, they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
Want at least one of them could. Yeah, at least
character I don't think he can.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
But yeah, that is what makes it that much more sinister,
is like you're just doing and and Bill Cosby could have,
Like you're fucking rich as fuck right, everybody knows you.
But it's a power play, like it's a it's a
power thing. It's it's to do it, just to do it,
to see who you can control and who you can't,
and more importantly who you can control, and just to

(01:39:45):
see if you can get away with it. I don't
like rich people guys, like I mean, I I don't
know if I don't know if that comes across in
this movie, but like you probably shouldn't trust billionaires like
at all, and maybe not a lot of dudes either.
I did appreciate when Camilla gets her gets her memory back,

(01:40:06):
she's standing there porns some water in the glass, and
she just fucking freezes and she just keeps pouring, and
her one of the changes like from horror to and
you just see it on her face hard to I
am going to kill these motherfuckers in like three seconds.
It's great sort of a physical work.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
The movie telegraphs very briefly at the dinner table when
she's having that speech and she's just like, you know,
I don't have too many girlfriends and and uh, you know,
I'm a rod or die and if you guys are
my friends, if anybody fucks with my friends, I'm a
fuck up. And then it's just like, oh shit, like

(01:40:53):
I can't wait, Like you said, when when when that
that that piece of that little bit of of you know,
nonverbal communication, uh, from you know, horrified to you know, uh,
vengeful is amazing. Yeah, she was. She was in that

(01:41:18):
show Dope Fiend.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
If people have watched that on Apple TV, if you've
not won, I highly recommended anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
But she's very good in that too.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Yeah, yeah, she was, Uh she's not to be fucked
with in this moment. And yeah, so she just walks
up and she's she's like she hits Hailey Johnson with
a fucking ice pick.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
I think it is, says a neck as you do.
Uh No, loved it, loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
Uh, and then he fucking straight up died, which was awesome,
and then she proceeded to stab him multiple times with
it until she's shot or no, I'm sorry. Uh Slater
Slater king Uh comes and like knocks her off of
and then she fucking bites him and then shit goes
shit goes left, and everybody is like, oh, what the

(01:42:08):
fuck is going on? And then you see the the
other woman, I forget her name. She wakes up and
she immediately starts chasing but Heather, Yeah, and she starts
chasing Christian Slater's characters. She's like, now I'm gonna kill you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
And then Sarah's Sarah's already She's already fucking mentally aware,
and she goes to kill Cody and she stabs him
through the hand with a corkscrew from wine, which she
didn't kill him, but dad had to fucking hurt. And then.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
Heather hit the one dude, Christian Slater in the head
with uh a chessboard and it looks like it's like
a like a heavy marble. Yeah, and she had that
dude in the face and like knocked half his goddamn
teeth out, fucked his jaw yep. And then Sarah fucking

(01:43:10):
Roundhouse kicked that dude into the pool, which you know,
shout out to her was super hot. And then Heather
proceeded to beat the brakes off of Christian Slater again
multiple times in the head with a with that chessboard, and.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Then security.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Shot her and killed her, and so Freeda was like,
oh shit, this is my chance. And she ran off
and the security guard chases after her. He is running,
uh well, they're both running in a manner that Denzel
Washington would be proud in his last movie. And she

(01:43:49):
eventually kind of gets away from the security guard, but
then he finds her and yeah, drags her back to
back to the house. But right before, right before he's
about to shoot her shooter in the head, Sarah comes
with a with a rock and fucking hits him in

(01:44:10):
the head and then drops the big rock on his
smashes it on his head, killing him. So you know, yeah,
now look, this is the part where I'm like, sciss
are doing it for themselves, Like this is this is
my favorite part of the movie good fun that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
So sad man, like, this is like and this is
like watching this because you you so badly want these
to all these for all these women to get to
leave this island alive. And the reality is that and
just like in real life, they don't like too like
and and and for two two of the women or

(01:44:51):
three the women to die so shortly after remember what
happened to them. It's just it's just so fucked up man.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
But also at the same time, can you imagine little
with that kind of trauma? Oof?

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Yeah, I mean, and that's the that's I think maybe
a slightly point of the movie. It's like, is forgetting
a gift?

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
It seems like it would be, But at the same time,
like in this situation, it absolutely isn't. I mean, well,
actually remember this ship but they have Yeah, I don't,
I don't, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
Yeah, I think, you know. I firmly believe in the
mantra of forgive but don't forget. If you're willing to forgive,
that's fine, but don't ever forget because if people forget,
they'll they'll do it again, and they'll do it again,
just like America has forgotten about history and now like

(01:45:49):
we're in this situation we're in and it is right,
So yeah, no, it it's uh, it's wild man, it
just is. Look, this part of the movie is fun,
it's cathartic, but like we don't stay here long and

(01:46:11):
and you know, it's back to you know, message time, right.
Like at one point, uh, Freda finds Stace and she's like, hey,
like helped you. Let's let's go, and Stace is like, nah,

(01:46:31):
fuck you yo, like I wanted to forget because forgetting
was a gift and they fight and Freda stabs her
and Stace has like helped me, and Freda's like, bitch,
I tried. Yeah, you you made your choice.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
Not all you know, not not all your skin folks
are your kin folk, you know what I mean. Like
that's and that's the same thing as there are women
who do not want progress, there are women who do
who will hold other women back in these kind of situations.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Oh, girl, like, don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
That's why you know. It's like the Handmaid's Tale. There
are women holding down other women and being while they're
being raped by men.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Like there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
Point now, you know, but you know what, I think.
I think a lot of that is because they don't
think they're strong enough to go against in this case,
patriarchy or or or or or men with men with power.
And I would bet for Stace. Stace probably when she
saw when she saw it was probably happening, she was

(01:47:34):
probably it doesn't It wouldn't doubt me if she was
horrified and probably wish it was something that she could
done something. But she made the choice to say like
maybe or maybe she was Sace with the choice of
if what does me saying anything do because because because
what does she say? She was like, they're gonna do
what they're going to do anyway, That's what she told Frida,

(01:47:57):
And in that moment she was probably I would bet
she made the decision long ago to be like, look,
it is what it is. It's fucked up. I can't
do anything about it. And I know I am, I
get all this proximity to power and everything. And also
it's not that she wasn't happening to her, So what

(01:48:18):
does she what does she care?

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
Well, she probably cared, but not enough to do something
right Like she she's she represents, she represents most of
you know, the apathetic public who are like I mean,
you know, yeah, this is this is this is wrong,

(01:48:42):
but like what am I gonna do? Like like I
understand that character? Like I like, so I was watching
some some reviews and some people would like completely vote
that character off without like delving into what that character
is and what they like. Yeah, she was in on it,
but and yeah she's a monster for it, but she

(01:49:07):
might not have been, Like she wasn't scouting, you know
what I mean, Like I didn't get it that that
she was scouting and stuff like that, right, Like she's
not Giselaine Maxwell or whatever her name is.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
Yeah, No, I thought she was just representative, like I
said earlier, of just internalized misogyny. I don't know that
she didn't care as much as like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
You know, powerful men get to do what they want
to do, and so she works for a powerful man,
so that it is what it is. So I guess
maybe it's I don't care, but I feel like she's
just enabling this powerful man because she thinks he's so
brilliant maybe or what have you, that like he's gonna

(01:50:00):
have his indulgences, right, like they just do that, right,
Like there is that notion of like, well they're they're
a genius or whatever, so you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Just have to let them do these like the prave things.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
Yeah, she probably just felt powerless. I mean, at the
end of the day, that's what said she had. She
just she had a choice, and she chose to make
the decision to stand with people who were who are
powerful but clearly very evil and but but yet, but
yet when confronted with that decision through freedo and quite

(01:50:32):
literally like the option to join in the fight, like
to join in the literal fight. When when when some
of these men are already dead, and she still chose
to go against go against women. Yeah, and that and
that was probably the time for her to break away,
was to be like, look, I've been a part of

(01:50:52):
thisership for for far too long. This is fucked up,
and yeah, I'm gonna pick up a knife two and
you know, and get my revenge or probably all the
time I've seen, but she's literally chosen to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
But I mean, I think we see that in so
many communities, right like in the black community and stuff
like that, where you're like, why aren't you joining up
with us, like we are fighting, we are trying to
do this progress. Some black folks are like, nah, I'm
good or not just I'm gonna stand on the sidelines,
but I'm gonna actively try to keep this system in place,
because that's what she represents. She doesn't to me, she

(01:51:25):
doesn't represent a sideline sitter. She is she is representing
a person keeping this system in place, keeping a system
in I mean the first time you meet her, she's
literally holding the bags that they use to send out
this this.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Drug to the rest of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Right, Yeah, So she's like, in a way, she kind
of is like Julane Maxwell, right, Like she kind of
is is that in that she is helping to spread
this disease out into the world. And it's like you're
supposed to be on the side of the victim because.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
You share the same gender with them.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
It's like, I share the same gender with them, but
I don't share the same worldview as them. And maybe,
I mean, how many women have we seen on fucking
YouTube clips and shit like that that you're asking them
like should a woman be president or could a woman
be president?

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
They're like, I don't think a woman should be president, And.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
You're like you're a woman, Like what the fuck or
women who say women shouldn't have the right to vote,
and it's like, but you're a woman, Like what the
fuck are you talking about. But it's that sort of
internalized in this case misogyny or racism, or internalized inferiority.
It could be any of those things, which makes sense

(01:52:43):
from the perspective of here. She is always so subservient
to Slater. I mean, remember the sort of joke. But
I don't, you know, I think it actually does matter
as I'm thinking about it. She's constantly moving this chair
around a room first slave yep, and trying to please
him in this what seems like a task for a buffoon,

(01:53:05):
but this is he refers to like this is just
like my best friend or whatever. That's his like his
total like a person, his confidant and all this other shit.
But he treats her with this mundane task.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Mm hm, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
Like it's so I don't think she's a sideline citter
at all. I think she absolutely is a person who
represents a real danger in any kind of movement. Is
a person who looks like the community being oppressed and
they are aokay continuing that oppression because they benefit from it,
not that a bunch of them, but just them very specifically.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
And he's very nice. Here's the thing, he wasn't very
nice to her by the chair stuff either. In fact,
that was actually one of the moments where where we
got to see what's what was under that facade of his,
under that sweet charming facade. He got real, real nasty
when it came to that chair stuff. So so so
it's like when you have these people like Space or

(01:54:05):
any or any other representative of any community that's going
against their community, then I even treated well by the
people they allign themselves with.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
Mm hmm, yeah, no, that's absolutely true. Like the person I.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Think of, I think she's now engaged or whatever is
she's like a YouTuber. She goes with like a pearl
or something like that, like pearly things or whatever. She's
like a like a real picknee type of person in
the red pill movement, and she's always like just parenting,
parroting all of the shitty things that guys say about women.

(01:54:37):
And she got popular because she's a woman who says
the same things. Right, It's like, yeah, it's obvious, like
you're the you're the Hodge Twins of women, Right, you're
a fucking sellout too, And it's just you're you're selling
out in her case, to this like red pill movement
because it gets you some sort of internet cloud. The
hotg twins selling out to white supremacy because they're clowns, right,

(01:55:00):
So it's it's the same idea. And like for me,
that's what she is. It's just like, how do I
how do I just how do I stand at the
right handed power?

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
Like this is great? I don't know, Oh is it
hurting these people? I don't give a ship. It's not
hurting me, right to Micro's point, it's not hurting me.

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
So but I think I think that I think she's
a cautionary tale to any community, Like just because they
look like you or they're from you know, they're they're
from your your class or whatever. Nah, they're class traders, man,
they're race traders. Like there are theo von this is
a comedian. He's a class.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Trader, right he is, you know he is? Like that's
what it is. R what's the what's the female equivalent
of a sambo? I don't know a man?

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
I actually if I actually don't, I don't really what
to say. But but you know, honestly blame my Instagram
algorithm because that's the way the guy I clicked on
his man's video one time and now it's his videos
just come up. But I just feel like saying, and

(01:56:05):
my daughter umark voice coons. I hate all of these coons.
That's what comes up.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Yes, yeah, don't be a boomer white lady. Yeah, not
if you can held it. Yikes. So from here we
see Slater is.

Speaker 3 (01:56:38):
Giving Lucas the business. He's like, look, in my opinion,
like you're you know, you belong in a special place
in hell because you did like you did nothing. You
chose nothing, you didn't choose. You didn't choose to abuse
these women with it with your homeboys, Like right, that's
what you're supposed to be doing, and you didn't. You

(01:56:58):
didn't stand up for the women either, Like even though
we were abusing them somehow, he would prefer that you
take some level of a stand, go down swinging, but
like take a stand on something, which is a which
is a wild thing to say from.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
A rapist, Like yeah, bro, especially because like we saw
that very quick flash of like hey, what are we doing?
And then Slater was holding them back.

Speaker 4 (01:57:24):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
So like stopping me. The are you talking about? You know,
like like it's I I know what this character is
trying to do, and you know, I don't have any
sympathy for the for that character. I don't have any
I don't know what Slater was trying to do, and
I don't have any sympathy for Lucas because like, you know,

(01:57:49):
see something, say something, bro, but.

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
Like fuck you Slater, Like yeah, like you were not helping.
You were making of things worse for that guy too.
Then we see we see Freda and Freda and Sarah
walk up to the house where Slater is and look,

(01:58:13):
they really do it up. These these uh these women
bloodied in these white dresses with huge white bows on
the back, both of them holding holding weapons, won a knife,
one a gun, and just this like slow motion walk up,
which is dope. And look, I love the fact that

(01:58:33):
it's two women of color, Like I can't pretend that
that's not dope. They hear they hear like knocking on
the door, and Sider's like, don't answer that door, and
Lucas goes to run and open the door and they
shoot him in the head immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
All right, Well, I mean I think he's a piece
of ship, but he wasn't wrong, and so Freda comes
at him with an knife and of course Slater he
blocks it or whatever. He doesn't he doesn't get stabbed, and.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
So then they, you know, they start tussling.

Speaker 3 (01:59:12):
She she gets thrown into a closet and the closet
opens and it's all like tons of vials of this drug,
because that's what they do there. And then you get
you get these flashbacks of her being at the at
the island the very first time, and you see how

(01:59:35):
she gets a scar where she's running and he grabs
the back of her dress and holds her and then
lets her go and she smacks her head on a
rock and and then you see that she had red
rabbits on her nails, which is why that one woman was.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
Calling her that.

Speaker 3 (01:59:55):
And after she gets hit in the head, Slater flips
her over. This is in the flashback, and he's like, hey,
are you having a good time, and she says, I'm
having a great time, and of course she's fucking out
of it. And so you come to find out like
she's been there a year prior, right, like all of
that shit, all that should happen a year prior, and

(02:00:17):
so yeah, this isn't not only are they making her
forget the shit that's happening on the island now, they
made her forget everything that happened last year. So apparently
once a year they do these terrible things to these women.

Speaker 1 (02:00:33):
And they'll tell you how long they're on the island either,
so like you have no sense of time of how
long you know this is they're doing something to them
every night, but you don't know for how long they're
in captivity there, which is also horrifying. But also notice that,

(02:00:55):
and I wonder if this was on purpose. Freda's hair
its very different, very very long. And then but when
we meet free to our hair is very very short.
I know she doesn't you're supposed to or supposedly she
had that she didn't remember anything. But I wonder if

(02:01:16):
there was a choice to make to make our hair
almost pixie like something that is some some people will
say not very feminine, even though I think women with
great pixie cuts. But also sometimes cutting your hair sometimes
like cutting your hair can be a way to cope

(02:01:37):
through uh something traumatic or or wanted to get or
actually no, no, trying to get, like your trying to
have some sister control or power, because your hair is
something that's very tied to your identity, so making the
choice to either to cut it or shave it can
be something significant. I don't know if that's if that
was an intentional thing, but it was something that I

(02:01:59):
did wonder about, especially when we see later.

Speaker 3 (02:02:03):
Yeah, no, that's that's a that's a very good point,
you know, as the as the old saying goes, yeah,
I cut that man out of your hair.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
Right, Yeah, now, like Angela Bassa did in a Wait
Next Hill cut her hair. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:02:14):
No, I mean that is a very common thing. It's
it's wild, but it's a common thing. I mean I've
seen dudes with like dreads when they cut all their
dreads off. It's normally a major, like it's a major
thing that's happened in their lives, like yeah, or they're
going bald and they're just like, she is pulling all

(02:02:35):
my hair out. But yeah, I mean the hair is
hair is more important to people than I think two women,
I think than men realize.

Speaker 2 (02:02:45):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
Then I think the best scene that Channing Tatum has
in this movie is the I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
Speech right.

Speaker 3 (02:02:55):
Where he's like, oh, you know, she you know, she's
laying on the ground. He's like fucking hog tiede or whatever.
And then he gives us like recount of the like
bullshit speech that you heard from him in the beginning
when you're talking to the media and he's like, you know, nobody,
actually sorry doesn't mean anything. It's like it's it's useles,

(02:03:19):
it's a useless term. And he goes see watch I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, and then he just starts saying it over
and over again, and he starts like getting more aggressive
and yelling and screaming it as he go goes on,
even though he's just repeating two words. It's a really
good performance because you really believe like just how insincere

(02:03:43):
this piece of shit is. He's like, you know what, look,
I'm mocking you, and this is like it it is
literally mocking women and mocking the the idea of sexual
violence and things like that. It's just it's just mocking it, right,
and especially from like a celebrity standpoint where they get
in trouble for this ship and they're just like they
go out there and they read some horseshit that that

(02:04:07):
their publicist wrote for them and it's just like, yeah,
I'm sorry or whatever, and it's just like it's meaningless.

Speaker 2 (02:04:12):
It doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 3 (02:04:13):
I mean, he even said in the beginning of the movie,
I've said sorry so many times that it's lost all meaning, and.

Speaker 2 (02:04:21):
The reporters like, oh, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:04:23):
I'm like, there's just a giant ass red flag. What
the fuck are we talking about? Like yeah, but he's
saying it in this charming I'm so fucking aware of
the world and and my faults now it's great. It's like, no,
that's a really fucked up thing to say that it
has I mean, does he could?

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
He could have said some flowery bullshit like we all
have the mountain to climb, and that mountain is always
ourselves and as I and as I get to reflect
all my actions, I promised to be the highest version,
the highest peak of my own humanity. I am sorry.
It's just like that.

Speaker 3 (02:05:03):
Sounds like that sounds like something did he said at his.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
That sounds like that sounds like something you've been practicing, yo,
Like what the hell?

Speaker 3 (02:05:13):
All right, So when gets in trouble in a moment,
just go back to this episode like no, no.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
You know, you know, but she does the thing, right,
because like when he like when he gets to like
I guess the height of his I'm sorry, his faces
are read into the fins his neck, he looks like
he's about to cry, and it's just like, yeah, that's
how easy it is for for sociopathic rapists or or
any terrible person to just fake human emotion like that,

(02:05:41):
because he could even he could have even cried in
his little thing in the beginning, and it still would
have all been bullshit.

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
And I think he like, doesn't he like invoke his
sister in this whole conversation to you, saying like, oh,
like you know, I gave you give my sister would
have loved this if if if I have made her
forget or something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
Yeah, well what what you get?

Speaker 3 (02:06:05):
What I believe you you start to believe is or
the implication is like they were abused as kids or something,
and so because of that, like that that's the thing
of like wanting to forget because it it fucked his
sister up for life or some shit like that. So
Sarah was at the door trying to like shoot the

(02:06:27):
lock off. She runs out of bullets. She Slater comes out,
chases her down, grabs her, brings her, ties her up,
brings her.

Speaker 2 (02:06:36):
Back to the house.

Speaker 3 (02:06:39):
He's like, you think I'm gonna kill you, Like, I'm
not gonna kill you for you, like he says, you're
like my best friend again, there is no He doesn't
even see her in a romantic thing. She's a toy.
She's a toy that he plays with once a year.
I'm telling you, being a billionaire, you just lose all

(02:07:01):
connection to you, man, Like I truly believe that. And
so then he as he's about to as he's about
to kill Sarah right in front of her, slid her throat,
he smokes a part of his vape and then he
like he stops because Freda has put the mind control

(02:07:24):
juice in his vape and now he's like all docile
and shit, and he's like starts coughing and stop trying
to kill her. And so he doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
It's like, what's going on here? Guy? What huh? He
does his best Mark Wahlberg impression. What it's going on? Huh, Lucas,
what huh? This is where I gotta kind of wave
this away like you do. Yeah, the stuff he took

(02:07:56):
one puff and then the stuff is like immediately working
like you know, it's well, we've never seen it work
that fast before.

Speaker 1 (02:08:08):
Well, the movie is a so they.

Speaker 3 (02:08:11):
We wrap it up, b they playing us off. I
guess you know when it hits your blood stream faster?
I don't know, sure, yeah, I guess, yeah. I guess
if you inhale it through smoke, yeah, it hits the
bloodstream faster. But you know whatever, I can hand wave
that away because the movie is is is uh really

(02:08:36):
good in my opinion. So the house is burning down
and Sarah and Frida are are The camera looks like
it's it's on Freda. You see it's tight on Freida
and she's pulling someone. You assume she's pulling Sarah, but no,
she's pulling Slater out of the burning building. Meanwhile, Vic

(02:08:59):
has to whose legs don't work as a result of
getting his brains bashed in with a with a marble chessboard,
so he is left in the burning house to die.
That old lady who was screaming red Rabbit Red Rabbit
is laughing her ass off, and and Sarah's looks at

(02:09:25):
Freda is like, sure, you know what you're doing, And
Freda's like.

Speaker 2 (02:09:29):
Yeah, I know, what I'm doing, and then we cut
back to I guess. You know. However, many years later
and we're at another gala and uh, you know, uh
Slater is, you know, still smoking on that vape, and

(02:09:52):
you know, Rich is there, and Rich is like, hey,
don't forget about that stuff that you know I'd like
to finish. Is our business or business transaction or whatever, right,
And Slayer's like, what huh?

Speaker 1 (02:10:06):
What huh?

Speaker 2 (02:10:07):
Right, because he's still under the effects. And it turns
out Frieda has married Slater and become the CEO of
King Industries or whatever it is and King Tech. And

(02:10:27):
this is where some people have a problem with the ending.
So I say to you, Tiara, what is your opinion
of this ending? Meanwhile, James Brown's paid the cost to
be the boss plays playing.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
I thought it was a little unorthodox, a little a
little unexpected. I wouldn't have seen Freedom making this decision,
even though I guess in the beginning she does say
my mom always said revenge is the best success. I'm

(02:11:15):
very uncomfortable with her marrying her rapist. I will just
just flat out I just I just am I am.
But however, I think in the real world, women who
come in who who who go against powerful men typically

(02:11:35):
don't get a lot of justice, especially black women. I mean,
we're kind of just now now starting to see it
a little bit. Mcbill Cosby's out now, Harvey Weinstein is
going to probably die in prison. But Donald Trump is
fucking president again. So I mean, you know, it's very
very Yeah, did he only got what six for four years? Okay,

(02:11:58):
oh that's long enough. I thought he only got I
thought he was only good maybe like six months or whatever.
But but still, like and even then, like Cassie's testimony
didn't really do much for to get him put away
for a lot longer than he was sentenced, right, So
it's kind of like, I get why she did it.

(02:12:20):
I can see why people wouldn't have liked it, considering
that she was a kind of a bad friend to
Jess and just ended up getting killed when just was
trying to warn her what was going on. But at
the same time, do you do you risk outing this

(02:12:44):
man who looks like was trying to rehab his image anyway,
and or do you take away the thing that has
made him so powerful? You take that power for yourself?
Is she like Stace in a way and that's probably
that's probably like like a like a like another question,
because how many victims does this man have that his
man and his friends have, And if she protected him

(02:13:07):
in away by by keeping him alive and rich and
maybe not maybe not powerful, looks like she kind of
muted him in a way by being by being CEO.
But he's still alive and living a pretty decent life.
And what happens when that VIC disappears? How long is
he going to keep vaping? For what happens when he remembers?

(02:13:28):
Because right now, right now, it seems like he has
the perfect opportunity to actually the relief of not having
to remember any of the bad shitty that he's done.
And I don't like that either, because she still has
to live with that, even if she has him wan
to wish at the end of the day. So I
don't know, I think, like from a from a storytelling perspective,
really interesting. I wouldn't have expected that, I think as

(02:13:52):
But like my opinion on the choices for these characters,
I'm very conflicted about it.

Speaker 2 (02:14:00):
Look, I'll be honest with you. I was, I was
uncomfortable with it. I didn't I didn't I understand the
need to kind of leave the audience with something like
a high to go out on. But there was a
different way you could have had a high, you know

(02:14:20):
what I mean. But it's it's unique. I would not
have pictured it, right, I wouldn't have guessed it in
a million years, right, But it wasn't. I wasn't you know.
I know people that were like, yeah, like that, that

(02:14:43):
wasn't me. I felt a little I felt I felt
a little weird about it, But you know, who am
I to tell a victim like what? I can't imagine
a victim of this would would do it right. And
it left me with like a little bit of like

(02:15:06):
like this character, you know is you know, like we
said earlier, she was a bad friend, and then you
feel for her. And it's just a decision that on
the one hand, like I understand because like, well, if
I'm going to go through all this, I want to

(02:15:26):
I want to be I want to be paid, I
want to be I want to never have to work again,
right Like I want to I want to be taken
care of. But at the same time, like like I
don't want to go back to my old life, even
if I had to go through all this right, because
my old life is a bunch of trash. So so

(02:15:50):
I get why that character would do it, but I
don't know. It makes me feel a little weird about
that character. M hm.

Speaker 3 (02:16:00):
So I totally understand those those sentiments, and I actually
don't disagree with either one of them. I'm curious as
to how you end this in a way that doesn't
feel stereotypical, which is she kills you kill Slater King.

(02:16:22):
How you both get off the island without spending time
in prison would be interesting to figure that one out.
But you could just again, you could just hand wave
it away as fucking movies. I feel like maybe there
is a thought process, and I'd love to hear from
Zoe Kravitz on this, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (02:16:42):
I'll give her a call and ask. Obviously she's a
listener to the show.

Speaker 1 (02:16:47):
Of course, she's been one of what she's been one
in this episode for so long she's.

Speaker 3 (02:16:54):
Been calling, so I would be interested to know if
me the thought process is not only like the revenge
aspect of like cool I got his money, like fuck
that guy, right, because money and power and access was
how he used Like those are the tools he used
to manipulate women and how he was able to do
what he was able to do, but also the aspect

(02:17:17):
of she controls the drug, right, Like if you kill him,
then perhaps some other person gets that drug, right whoever
owns the company after that, or you know, has access
to the island or what have you, and they start
making the drug and it persists around the world like unabated.

(02:17:38):
But if you control it, then you can you can
determine where the company goes, what it does, what it
doesn't do. Does this island exist, because like, let's say
you sell the island and someone figures this out and
they start doing it with these snakes or what have you.
But if you own the island and you're like, none
of this shit is ever happening again, you can stop it, right.

(02:17:59):
So I wonder if that's maybe the thought process.

Speaker 2 (02:18:01):
I don't know. I agree.

Speaker 3 (02:18:04):
I am very uncomfortable with the idea of you marrying
your rapists.

Speaker 2 (02:18:09):
That is weird. But I think probably.

Speaker 3 (02:18:16):
Being married to him, like they're not really married, you
know what I mean, Like they're married on paper, it's
not like, oh then they like sleep together and everything
is fine. She's she's using him and she's you know,
she's using him as a toy as she was being
used by him, right, like direct revenge, right like a
one for one kind of revenge, even forcing him to

(02:18:37):
eat red meat when he doesn't normally at the end,
if you caught that, which was funny, Like, I wonder
if it's just this idea of using men who use
women in the same manipulative sort of gross way instead
of like, instead of having the woman be like I'm

(02:18:59):
rising above this in being different, it's like, no, I'm
gonna I'm gonna be kind of a piece of shit
to you like you were to us. You know, I
mean obviously not you know, rapeless standing and stuff, but
you know what I mean, just like doing that. I
don't know, I'm just I'm just spitballing. I'm not saying
that's like my theory. My guess is the idea is

(02:19:19):
to control and be able to have ultimate control of
like these drugs and access.

Speaker 2 (02:19:25):
But it is, it's a weird It is a weird ending.

Speaker 3 (02:19:29):
I don't know if I like it or not like it.
I think if she had killed him, I think it
would been like that's fine, but it would have just felt.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
Like other movie.

Speaker 1 (02:19:38):
Yeah, that's why I'm ba too, like.

Speaker 3 (02:19:41):
You need something else, Like you kind of need something
Like the ending of Get Out, they kill everybody, right,
like they kill the family, but like.

Speaker 2 (02:19:51):
It it does. Mit.

Speaker 3 (02:19:52):
That's the one thing thinking about that movie, Like those
other people still exist in the world, right, Like they
still exist. They don't have the technology g or whatever,
but they still exist.

Speaker 2 (02:20:03):
So it's like.

Speaker 3 (02:20:05):
Someone else can pick up that technology, some other doctor
can pick up.

Speaker 2 (02:20:08):
That technology and continue.

Speaker 3 (02:20:09):
Doing it, right, Like I know there was that that
the lead had seen where they changed the ending and
people hated it. They didn't like the original ending.

Speaker 2 (02:20:18):
Which was like.

Speaker 3 (02:20:22):
Yeah, yeah, he ends up get out yeah and get
oh yeah yeah, he ends up in jail and his
buddy Lorel Howry is like, hey, man, like try to
get you out and he's like, nah, I stopped it,
Like this is fine, Like this is the ending. And
people hated that ending, and I get it, Like I
kind of don't like that ending either, but it does
feel like you're missing a little bit of something by

(02:20:45):
just like killing the character and then like it ends.
So I don't know, maybe she was just trying to
come up with something. I don't necessarily know this was
the right choice, but it's certainly an.

Speaker 1 (02:20:56):
Well, I I like the theory about controlling the drug.
I hadn't I didn't hadn't thought about that because it's like,
like you said, these other people, these other people like
Rich still exist, right, it doesn't seem like and you
see Rich's face when he recon when he realizes that
she remembers. She's like, oh, I like yeah, it's not

(02:21:18):
just like, oh yeah, I remember how I met you
at the gala and you know you told me to
blink twice. And he can play it off like he
can play off as like, oh, yeah, yeah, I remember that.
He like he recognizes that, oh there's someone out there
who knows what kind of monster, what kind of monster
I am, and what I've been involved with. And and

(02:21:40):
the worst thing is that, uh, Slater doesn't remember. Slater
doesn't know anything, and Slater trying to play it off
like yeah, of course we can have that discussion about
something that I have no idea what you're talking about,
but she knows. And maybe it's the kind of thing
where it's like it's the perfect gray ending. It's not

(02:22:00):
necessarily like, like I said, you're uncomfortable with it, But
it's also like if there was someone who had to
be in that position, it should be her because she's
not a rapist. She's not someone it's willing to Well,
she did kill people, but in self defense, but she's
not she's not an evil person. So and at the

(02:22:21):
same time, because you kind of have to assume that
they're probably gonna be some real world consequences to these actions,
to these actions, he can't die, but it's but but
it's but it's plausible that they get married because they
did meet at a gala a year ago or whatever
however long this this was. So there's some some plausibility there.

(02:22:43):
But we but as all these ones, we know that
she's probably the best person to make sure that drug
is I guess you use I don't even know use
responsibility is the right word, but I think but I
think we're The discomfort also comes from is like again,
it's he's it's not even just that he's her rapist,

(02:23:04):
he's a serial rapist because, like I said, how who
knows how many people that he's that he have done
that too? Is she going to be someone that's going
to go out and get justice for those victims? Where's Sarah?
Where is Sarah? Go, what is Sarah think about all
of this?

Speaker 3 (02:23:18):
By the way she is, And there's a moment that
you catch a little bit of that, right because right
after she turns around and says, Hi, you're Rich, like
I remember you, the scene exist the moment after that
and they're looking at each other and she's kind of like, yeah,
if you if you pay attention. They show two security

(02:23:39):
guards walking towards the table and they're talking and he says,
I got him. They are going they're going to arrest
Rich right they're grabbing him. My guess is there is
a part of that story of her using excess to
round up all of these guys who did did this
because she would have access to the information of all

(02:24:02):
the people who took this drug. So using Slater's power
and money going to grab all these dudes. So it's
not said so explicitly, but it is more implicit of
these it's very subtle. But I think that's part of
it too, so that that also it lends to the

(02:24:23):
idea of like keeping him alive because you can work
and go after these people and in a more open way,
right because remember Slater says, I'll be in Beijing next week.

Speaker 2 (02:24:35):
Well, why is he going to Beijing?

Speaker 3 (02:24:36):
Is that for work or is she taking him to
Beijing because she knows there are people there in Beijing
that she wants to go after too.

Speaker 1 (02:24:43):
Mm hmm. I like I like that a lot. I
think I just just watched that scene just now, and
it was so funny. Right when the when security guards
come and they kind of and they escort reach out.
You see Slater of fumbling one one with the steak
and she's like, she's like, he just say or whatever,
and but he's also fumbling with the vape. So it

(02:25:03):
makes you so so it makes you wanderfe just like
how actually gives you instant of how she's keeping him
under tight control for him to kind of like it's
almost kind of crack like like how he's hitting that
vape honestly, Yeah, but also how how how demirir and
how docile he is around her and like and then

(02:25:25):
and even in the end where he's like clapping for her,
like wow, yeah, women empowerment. She's the CEO of my
company and this that's my wife. She's amazing and she's
probably and I'm probably going to be the last person
that she uh that she that she sends the person
after she's done rounding everyone up, and that'll be the
time when I will probably remember all the bash of that.

Speaker 2 (02:25:43):
Did Yeah I like that idea. So and there you
have it.

Speaker 3 (02:25:49):
Any other final words on blink.

Speaker 1 (02:25:52):
Twice I would say, you know what, I what I
would recommend this movie? I probably would. I would just
say heavy trigger warning, heavy trigger warning, heavy trigger warning.
I thought this was a really great This is Zoe
Kravitz's first UH movie that she directed. Yeah, I thought

(02:26:14):
this was great. Yeah, very great storytelling, very very scary, timely,
also really interesting considering who her mother used to work
for work alongside this movie. Yeah, actually but yeah, yeah,

(02:26:38):
really really really good for Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:26:41):
Oh, by the way, just as a side note, you
han't mentioned the whole thing about the hair. She has
a pixie cut, so I'm sure that's probably that's probably
not happenstance.

Speaker 1 (02:26:51):
Oh oh you know what? I also wrote this down
to boss girl Bob, that the boss girl hair Bob,
that what's her name? Movie wearing at the end, uh
the sleek I love that because I feel like that
type of Bob, in particularly very sleek Bob is very
like it's very ceo. The sharp ends means very It

(02:27:13):
means like she is, she is all about the business
and is ruthless and taking no prisoners, and which is
probably what she's about to do.

Speaker 2 (02:27:21):
All Right, there you go. I like it a lot
better thoughts. Yeah, you know, that's a really really good movie.
Really looking forward to seeing what else she does from
a directorial standpoint.

Speaker 3 (02:27:36):
Okay, Yo, she was dating Channing Tatum while they were
making this movie.

Speaker 1 (02:27:41):
That's wild, That's Joy Kravit. Yeah, were they engaged? I
think they were engaged. Then they broke up.

Speaker 3 (02:27:49):
Yeah, they broke it up. Now probably after this movie
she was like, you're playing his character a little too good.
You gotta you gotta get out.

Speaker 2 (02:27:55):
It's a little too familiar. Yeah, man, I think it's
an impres some moving.

Speaker 3 (02:28:01):
The one thing I would say is check out Promising
Young Woman as sort of a complimentary film to that.
That's a that's very good, but it has a lot
of similar feel if you're if you're in the mood
for like feminist revenge sort of flick but also like

(02:28:21):
thought provoking because it is and that movie is like, Mike,
you remember the ending of that movie. What's revealed in
that film?

Speaker 2 (02:28:29):
It's a bit. It's a bit of a rough ride.

Speaker 1 (02:28:32):
But I think I'm gonna have to like do a
palette cleanser and go watch like K pop d Hunters
or something.

Speaker 2 (02:28:38):
Yeah. No, that that feels.

Speaker 1 (02:28:39):
That feels.

Speaker 2 (02:28:43):
I feel. Yeah. So that's it for us. We will
be back next week with a preview episode for episode
two eighty nine. Later guys, see you.

Speaker 4 (02:28:55):
But yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:29:01):
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