Him (REVIEW): Flawed Look at Fanaticism | Ep289

This week on Black on Black Cinema, the crew returns to discuss the 2025 horror film, Him. The story follows a young college athlete who descends into a world of terror when he's invited to train with a legendary champion whose charisma curdles into something darker. The film stars Tyriq Withers and Marlon Wayans.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I have no I kid lesson about the villains.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Right now, go find the last down before me change.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
And let's rapper chase on it. You know. Hello, welcome
to a brand new episode of Black and Black Cinema.
I'm your host Jay. I'm here with my co host
Micah Hey, Terrence, sorry, tr Will being completely ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh here we are back.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
This is episode two eighty nine HIM twenty twenty five,
Psychological Horror. The log line here is a young athlete
descended to a world of terror when he's when he's
invited to train with a legendary champion whose charisma kurdls
into something darker.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
This is starring Arlen Wayne's, Tarique Withers and Julia Fox
and directed by Justin Tipping. And this is under the
Monkey Pop Productions, Jordan Peele's production company. So I think
it's important to say that, Tierra, you saw this before
any of us. What were your thoughts on this?

Speaker 5 (01:22):
I saw it open a weekend. I was really excited
to see it. I was disappointed with it. I didn't
like hate the movie, but I just felt like there
was so much they were trying to say, they just
didn't quite hit it home. For me, especially as the

(01:43):
one who probably loved the NFL more than a lot
of people. And I love how obsessed, uh this at
least American culture is with with the with the NFL
and football, and I felt like it was a few
other things I wanted them to do. The first like

(02:05):
third of the movie I really enjoyed. The last third
was probably like huh okay, that was the choice. And
I felt very confused, as in like why did we
choose to go the sprout? And I wasn't the only
one because I was in a huge Imax theater and

(02:27):
I looked around to see everyone else's faces, who were
mostly black, and they all had the same face that
I had. I thought Marla Walliams was great though, and
the actor who played what's the what's the character's name,
I'm calling Patrick Mahomes. I love like Patrick Mahomes and
Malla one mm.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Or campus isn'tname Withers.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Yeah, okay. I will also stand by that this is
the Patrick Mahomes origin story because this is exactly how
I think he got all of his powers to make
the Chiefs as good as they were, And no one will,
no one will maybe tell me any differently, but yeah,
I mean the acting was fine, but it's just execution

(03:12):
wasn't wasn't it for me? But like I said, I
did love Malloway incident. Yes I did. Yeah, we'll get
into some of the other themes that that they were
that they were exploring and like kind of what I
thought was missing from it and how how I think
they could have done better in some parts.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
But yeah, fair enough, Terrence, your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
Marlon was good, Michael, don't. I don't know what to
tell you. I just finished, like an hour ago. Yeah,
I did. When I when I finished, I was like,
what the fuck was this?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
What was it?

Speaker 6 (03:54):
What did I just watch? Uh?

Speaker 4 (03:57):
And it was the ending about the last ten minutes
month right, all right? I guess sure. The acting was fine,
Marlon was great. I like seeing Marlon play more like
serious roles. He's a good actor. He's from a fucking
theater school. Yeah, but he does comedies and ship most
of which are not very funny.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
But he was good in this. The kid was good.
Everything else.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
This is want to be. It was like a wanna
be Jordan Peel movie and it and it missed the mark. Ye,
wasn't terrible. I didn't hate it. Like a lot of people.
But I just was just like, all right, that happened.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Sure, sure, Michael, your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, it's not it's not great. I think this movie is,
you know, taking some swings, but is not really it's
not really hitting, and I think it I think it
takes a very very good premise and.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
It tries to do.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Much without saying anything, well, without saying a lot. It's
Marlon Wayne's is the standout, but I don't think he
was phenomenal. It's funny seeing people who don't know how

(05:34):
to scream professionally scream because I got high, and it
just sounds funny to me. But yeah, I think this
movie could have been a lot more, and it just
it is trying to say things, but I don't think

(05:55):
it's saying I don't think it's.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I don't know, man, like the movie is not.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Disappointed is what I would say about this movie overall.
Just kind of disappointed. I mean it's it's it brings
up a couple of things that, you know, I think
might be cool to talk about, you know, the obsession
with celebrity, the the you know, how how celebrities are

(06:28):
treated as a product, how athletes are basically, you know,
the most well paid slaves ever, right Like, I think
it tries to talk about this stuff, but I don't
think it. I just don't think it really lands for me.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Fair enough. I actually i'm I think I'm on an island.
I didn't think the movie is bad at all. It
does take some big swings. I don't think it necessarily
nails nails all of it, but overall I had a
pretty good time with it. It definitely is a Jordan
Peel style movie, and I think it is in the

(07:08):
same regard that I think Blink Twice is the same,
right like that that's trying to ape a certain style.
I think Blink Twice does it a little bit better
and it's a little bit more cohesive than this is.
I think there are two major criticisms of this movie
that I can I can completely understand which is and

(07:29):
I think you guys have alluded to it. One of them,
the first one being that maybe Tarik Withers is not
a strong enough lead. I can see people thinking that
about him. I thought he was fine. What's up.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
I didn't have a problem with him.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
No, I didn't either. I'm just saying I could understand
that people did have have that critique. I thought he
was fine. I do think Marlon Wayne is an absolute
standout in this movie. Like, I thought he did a
really good job. And it's like, I haven't seen him
do anything particularly serious since like Requiem of a Dream,
which is a long time ago in his career, so
it was kind of nice to see him do something. Yeah, exactly,

(08:05):
so it's kind of nice to see him do something
like this. And he looked like he's having you know,
if you want to say fun, But he did look
like he was enjoying himself doing it, and I thought
he came off really well. The other criticism I would
say is that people probably have is that it's really
fucking artsy and it's really out there and it gets
really weird in the end. Right. I feel like if

(08:27):
Jordan Peele had done this movie with the same general concept,
he'd a crushed, Like I think people would have been
like absolutely, because it would have been a bit deeper
and stuff like that. But I like, I like sort
of the messaging of the movie and some of the
stuff he was trying to talk about, like fanaticism and
there's a character that gets named at a certain point,
but I was like, there's no way that's by happenstance.

(08:51):
So I liked all of those aspects of it. I
thought it was shot particularly well, Like I thought it
looked good. There was some really kind of cool looking scenes.
If anything, I even though it's only an hour and
a half, I thought it dragged in some parts where
I'm just kind of like, kind of, let's get going.
I did. I did much like Tiara. I thought the

(09:12):
first two thirds of the movie are really strong. Like
when you get to sort of the end of the
second act, I was like, I'm not sure what everyone's
talking about that they hated this movie. I was like, yeah,
like the helmet to helmet moment at the at the
end of the second act, I was like, yeah, okay,
like this is exactly where I thought this should have ended.

(09:33):
And then into the final act. Yeah, I think I
think it's it being as artsy and weird as it
is in parts, I think probably does it a bit
of a disservice. But like, at the same time, people
watch Jordan Peele movies and at least Us and Nope
are really fucking artsy. But I mean he's a better
director than this guy is so yeah, all in all,

(09:55):
I enjoyed it. I don't think it's you know, I
wouldn't call it great, but I did. I thought it
was good, So I'm I definitely am on an island.
Reading other reviews, people were just like no, so that's fine.
And then I saw Marlon Wayne sort of defended it,
just saying, like, you know, some movies are ahead of
the curve. I don't know about that, but like I

(10:18):
get him defending it because he doesn't do a lot
of serious movies, so like he wants to, you know,
this to be taken seriously, so I understand it. But yeah,
all in all, I thought it was I thought it
was interesting. That was interesting movie. So there you go.
All right, let's uh, let's get into it. Where is
my video? So the movie opens up with seeing a

(10:41):
young cam uh and his dad. They're like super obsessed
with the with the with the the Saviors. Uh what
Saint Louis Saviors, I think San Antonio Saviors, and like
they're they're like all about this team. They're they're cheering
at the watching you know, Sunday football. The whole families
gathered around everything else and they're watching Isaiah White, who

(11:03):
was a quarterback played by Marlon Wayans, and like he
throws for a touchdown but then he gets his leg
brutally broken, like shin bone hanging out of his leg
type of shit. And the dad is like, hey, I
see that's that's a real man, Like, that's you know,
that type of sacrifice you got to make and all
this other shit, and you know, it's just kind of

(11:25):
showing how that fanaticism in football and you know, that
sort of celebrity worship is just instilled in this kid,
you know, so young, right, and you know kids love football,
their parents, you know, get him into it or whatever.
So none of this to me is like that crazy.
I mean, I'm not a big sports person, but I

(11:45):
get why people you know, get into it. And you
know I was into when I was young, but never
like this. But you know, that's cool.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
They do this.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
They do this weird thing in the movie. They do
a lot of like X ray type shooting, which works
really well in a late scene. Again it's it's like
this is like that artsy for artsy say kind of thing,
which I think probably throws people off. Yeah I get it,
but like the later scene it makes total sense, right,
But yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Does, but like it's also very Mortal kombaty and.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Right exactly, and it's it's it's.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, yeah, we just named three different things that this
is from, so it's not exactly you know, pushing the
envelope when it comes to visuals. I'm not necessarily impressed
by it.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Well, my thing is the later scene they use it in.
To me, it's used to just hide who the people
are for a moment like that. Yeah. I think that
that's because I was like, oh, Ship, that's fucked up,
and it was like, oh, it's the other character. Yeah,
so reason for that which I thought was a cool scene,
Like I actually I thought it was.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
I think that was like that sequence when they were
on the field, the dooorfield was the best part of
the movie for me personally.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yep, yeah, yeah, I agree. So we see you know that,
we see all these like kind of images of of
this kid, you know, being excited for We see that
Isaiah White, you know, has won I guess multiple super Bowls.
I think he has like eight rings.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Well, this is the US, so it's not the super Bowl.
I don't know what they're what their championship game is called.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I think their championship game is called.

Speaker 7 (13:37):
The super Bowl obviously, but he's won eight of these
rings in this fictional world, and so you know, he's
just he's considered the greatest, you know, uh, greatest athlete
of all time.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
They say goat a lot, a little too much for
my taste. I'm like, we got it.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
There's one acronym that I am tired of hearing.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
It is goat. Yes, I'm sick of it. Can't all
be the greatest of all time, not everybody. So, like
fast forwards to sort of present day, and you see
Cam is sort of he's kind of like this college
you know, this college you know, football superstar. He's obviously

(14:20):
going to be drafted into the Canadian Football League wherever
the fuck they play, and the fake NFL. And because
they're not trying to they're not trying to pay the
money to say NFL in this movie. That's basically no.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
It's because the NFL wouldn't wouldn't offer that to them
if they wanted to, Like, yeah, this movie, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
They're like, you're not sucking the NFL's dick. I don't
think so. So, like he's being interviewed and he's got
his girlfriend there and his mom and his brother, and
you find out that his dad has since passed, right,
and so like a lot of his sort of drive
has like told his dad, like, you know, his dad
believed in him to be a big football player. That's

(15:10):
what he's gonna do, right, you know, more on that later,
And again they say goat a lot in this scene.
Then he decides to go back to his school and
he goes and practices on the field late at night alone,
which seems to be a recipe for disaster. Look, I've
never I've never played football professionally, but here's the thing

(15:33):
I do know. It would be pretty impressive to be
able to just throw a football and hit the uprights
just over and over again with seemingly no effort. That
seems hard to me, Like, I don't I probably couldn't
get it through the uprights, let alone to hit them.
So I assume this is cgi because who could possibly

(15:53):
do that? And so he throws the football, hits the
hits the uprights, and it just keeps spinning on it's
like on its top, much like inception or whatever. And
he goes to pick up the football because that's strange,
and somebody you know, dressed in a costume, comes up
and fucking smacks him in the back of the head

(16:15):
with a hammer, which is the like weapon of the Saviors.
Like if you look at their like their uniforms and ship,
that giant hammer is is a part of their their cot,
their their their design. So it gives him some sort
of like brain injury. So then he ends up in
the hospital with like a concussion.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yeah, it was like, what the fuck was that? And
some dude just pops up out of nowhere.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
I'm like, what's going on, Like that's this is my
first okay, but that's explaining of some ship.

Speaker 6 (16:49):
I didn't know what the hell was going on. It wasn't. Yeah,
that's they they explained at the end, But I'm just saying,
like where did he come from?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
I mean, you know, I'll give the movie, you know,
I give the movie uh leeway throughout as long as
they kind of wrap things up in the end, and
they do.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
It's just kind of stupid in the in the in
the the the the way that it's done.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
Like I get it.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
I'm just I don't know. I just wasn't terribly I
just wasn't terribly impressed with like the storytelling man like,
and I'll try to I'll try to get more specific.
I'll try to get more specific later on.

Speaker 6 (17:37):
But yeah, it just.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I just see a lot of wasted.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I don't like rewriting movies because like, who the fuck
am I? But we might rewrite this movie a little bit.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
Yeah, I doesn't say that. I definitely think this is
a movie that we can give our opinions on how
it could have been. And there's like, I know, they
had some alternative endings and there was one I was like, oh,
I should have gone that route, but stupid. But I
just remember there was another thing about the movie that
didn't hit for me, which was I guess the somewhat

(18:17):
supernatural light elements and devil worship wasn't It wasn't really
connecting with me, mainly because of how it ended. And
I had some questions about why they even went after
Cam in the first place, because they established Cam around

(18:37):
this time that he's really like, he's so good, he's
supposed to be like a number one draft pick, and
they ended up picking him anyway, so I didn't understand
why they We'll get to it.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
I mean, look, spoiler alert, it's the people around him.
It's about like whether or not you want to sell
your soul to be able to do this right? And
like what is what is the cost of greatness? Like
would you sell your soul to be great?

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:08):
And they took it, you know, and towards the end
and you know, the movie kind of plays with it
a little bit like, well, maybe this is all in
his head, right, But then it gets real literal.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
And there's a there's a weird like like, oh that
that person is real. Oh this is really happening. I
thought this was a fantasy. Yeah, I agree with you there,
Like it gets and it's.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
And it's a little it's a little sloppy in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
It just doesn't it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
It doesn't flow like I don't necessarily need to be
spoon fed, right, and this this movie doesn't really spoon
feed you.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
But it's not.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
It's it's as elegant as a mascot taking a hammer
and bashing you.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, you know you know what you know what it
is like? Yeah, I think I think the whole thing
about like, you know, at what cost do you want
to be be the greatest that's definitely like a prevailing
theme here. It just I feel like you could have
you could have gotten to the later scenes with him

(20:14):
getting to meet Malla Wains without this particular injury. I think,
or if you want to have something like this, you
should have made a football related and use it as
a commentary exact exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
It should have been.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
And he got this massive head injury from helmet to
helmet contact and that and that is what and that
sidelines him right like the whole I.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Thought, that's what I thought, that fucking mascot. I thought
it was a CTE team and that's what I was like,
that's what I said. I'm like, this is an allegory
for CT and no it wasn't it. It was quite literal.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
Like well, also like there are moments there, there are
moments where you're wondering like, oh, is this even happening?
And they could have played with that, but but you
realize it is happening, and I'm just and like I
remember doing the movie, I was like, is this supposed
to be about CT or what? And it's just like,
oh no, it's it's kind of not about that. There's

(21:22):
so much.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
He's a fast conspiracy and you.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Tell the truth, tell the truth.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
But to make him the greatest of all time? The
fuck look almost killed him to make him the greatest gonna.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Be fine, Look, man, I think I think.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Movies like The Program hit a little harder than this.
Movies that movie's wild.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
I think the movies like My Cars.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
I think movies like Any Given Sunday might hit a
little harder than this. And I even even a movie
like Concussion, which you know as goofy as Will Smith sounded,
that had a little more balls to really go at
the idea of you know, these young kids and young

(22:18):
men ramming, running at each other at fucking fifteen miles
an hour and bashing each other in the head. Yeah,
and it you know, in this movie, it just makes it.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, it was, it was.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
It was all demonic.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
It trivialized it, right, I talized it. I think it because, okay,
because because the reality is yeah there. I mean a
lot of these real life players are anywhere between. Like
they get drafted as young as like twenty one to
twenty two, but you have a window where you'll be
in he professional shape to be able to do that,

(23:04):
And their average career is like two years, and it
is a violence sport, and you have one injury that
could end it all, and some of them get injured
before they even get a major payday. So there's just
so much that that goes into to the to these
athletes and everything that will to sacrifice, and plus the
people around them that are relying on them. I don't know.

(23:26):
There's there's some things about that later on after this scene,
but I really felt like the movie could have done
better at showing I think Cam's upbringing and maybe even
some of the pressure that he might have had to
deal with, and and and we could have gotten to
know whether if he even liked to play football, because

(23:50):
there are actually athletes out there who play who I mean,
I know they kind of mentioned it a little bit,
but I would have liked to, like see it. So
they kind of just tell you, but you don't get
to actually they don't show you. So I don't know
if I actually believe if he's like really in it,
because maybe he did grow to love it, or if
there were moments in his childhood where he was like, man,
I want to be an architect or I want to

(24:11):
be like a nurse. And in fact it was actual
an article that came out today about NFL players retiring
NFL players who are becoming nurses or or have pursued
other medical careers out after the game. But there is
but but what you said, Jay.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Trying to help their CT friends.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
I get it, Yeah, I mean you know, But the
point is, like there's so much more to life than
just being able to be successful at a successful athlete,
even if you are really talented at it. But like
I said, if you have people relying on you to
get there, it's kind of like feels like what choice
do you have? And I really wish they could have
gone in that direction rather than spending as much time

(24:51):
in certain settings like we did.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
So I really really didn't, right, like like this, like
this dude had a brain injury that if he he
gets hit again hard, he can suffer brain damage, like
just full on brain damage. And yo, if you're somebody's mom,
Like they didn't really, I don't feel like they did

(25:16):
enough to weigh that, Like, oh man, but like we're super.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Pop even that was even that like eager for him
to play because like again, like you said, if he
gets hit one more time, it could kill him.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
You can become.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, like I needed, like I needed, I needed to
see that pressure, man, Like, because athletes go through a
lot of bullshit.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
They go through a lot of bullshit, and and they
have a tremendous amount of pressure on them, especially student athletes, right,
and people think, oh, you got free ride, you know,
just for playing a game. It's it's super easy, na, yo,
Like they gotta they have a lot on their plate, right,
you gotta maintain certain GPA you got.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
You gotta.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Maintain a high level of athleticism.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
You can't get.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Injured, don't get injured, can't get injured.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Can't take money. Uh yeah, I know that's changing a
little bit. Yeah, that's changing a little bit, but officially.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
But it's there's a lot and then that and then
not even including like hey and they may mentioned like, hey,
this is generational wealth guys, but like I kind of
wanted to see, like, like the cliche is, you know,
the NFL loves it when they can pluck somebody from

(26:41):
from you know, the middle of nowhere swamp land, Florida, right,
who lives in a shack next to a fucking gator, right,
And and they can make that guy a superstar and
they love that story.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Right, I didn't. I didn't get that from this, right,
I just I guess my my my attitude towards that is,
those are all super valid criticisms, and I agree with you.
I don't think that's what the movie is about. I
don't think it gives a shit about that, and like
that may be to its detriment. I actually think it is,

(27:18):
But I don't think it's about that. I think none
of that matters except for when they drive out to
that house and you see all the fucking fanatics and
all this other shit. That's where the movie starts. I
don't I think all of this is just like the
stuff before. It is like, eh, necessary background, he fucking
we beat him in the head whatever. I think it's
all to just get to. This movie is about fanaticism

(27:41):
and cult behavior. I think that's all it is. I
don't think it's about pressure as an athlete, though again
I think that that's a smart play, right, this idea
of like why he would keep going, right, we only
get a little bit of that. You know, your dad,
I want you to play football. I didn't want to believe,
and I told him I was going to quit getting
in nig Like that's all you get like, there's not

(28:02):
enough of that, and it probably should be to give
those foundations, to probably put it on sort of a
better bedrock as you're going throughout the movie. But I
just don't think that's what they were trying to talk about.
I think it's just solely about fanaticism, solely about this
sort of culture personality. I think that's all it is.
And so but here's the thing. This all of those things,

(28:23):
you need those things, I think, But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
The revelation at the end, the revelation at the end
is all about this this massive conspiracy to get this
one person to be the greatest, right, you know, and
and all that's you know, the fandom comes with it,
but the.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
I think you know.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Part one second, let me just quickly, like the fanaticism
part of this is one big aspect, right, It's what
drives sort of Marlon Wayne's character like a lot. Right,
He's like I'm going to watch tape and you find
out what that is later on. Right, Like that fanaticism,
but the cult aspect of it that I think the
movie has a lot to say about it, or at
least it tries to. I don't think that the cult

(29:12):
aspect is just the fandom. I think the cult aspect
is the people doing all of this conspiracy to get
him to where they want him to be. They're all
a part of this same cult, and it's like weirdly
at the cult of like money, right, Like they're doing
all of this not because they give a fuck about
getting more rings. They just care about money, money and power.

(29:32):
And so I think at the end, like again, it's
about as you know, as subtle as a fucking mascot
hitting you, and they have with a fucking sledgehammer type
of shit. But that's why they're all dressed weird and
they've got the pig heads on. It's all cult shit
like that feels like eyes wide shut weirdness. But like

(29:53):
I think that's just what it is. And so I
don't think he gives a fuck as a director or
as writers. I don't think they gave a shit about
the back of stuff. They should have, but I don't
think that's what it was about.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
So so they they are they are the they are
doing the thing that they don't care about this character
as a person, and that's what I and that's what
I wanted this movie to really dig into like these
people are going around like nobody treats athletes and celebrities
like people. They're they're walking talking products and that is

(30:27):
you know, and people people will pretend that like, oh.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Well, that's their fault. They get paid a lot of
money for all that shit.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
But like more money, more problems, nigga, Like you don't
these people are still human beings. That's that's that's the
problem that we have right now in society is that
nobody sees anybody as human beings. They see them as
you know, things that they can direct their I are

(30:57):
at right, like like like people aren't written love, You're
not real, You're you're you're you're confused, you don't know
what you are, you don't know what you are.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Like it's yeah, man, Tierry, you're gonna make a point,
I'm sorry, I cut you.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yeah, so then his okay, Yes, it's about like cul
behavior and it's not because it's not just It really
isn't just the fans. The players are bought up into
the cult too, including Cam which that makes me dislike
the choices that that character makes even more Like I

(31:38):
already didn't like the ending, but the choices that he
makes doesn't make sense considering the scenes that come right
before then of him spending enough time to be further
integrated into becoming the next Goat, and then you have
him make the decisions that he makes that part maybe like, Okay,

(32:02):
this doesn't this doesn't job with the person you've introduced
me to.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
What decisions are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
What?

Speaker 5 (32:08):
How how the movie ends with the when he with Isaiah.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
And then no, no, I'm saying you were saying, like
to go further into the cult, like we are you
talking about like once he's on that compound type of thing,
the stuff he's doing there.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, because I know, I know
we'll get to I know we'll get to those scenes later.
Which is a which is when I read the alternative
ending to it, one of the alternative endings that was proposed,
I was like, they should have gone this route because
it would have it would have made more sense because
the point of this, of this movie being being about

(32:40):
a cult is that no one person is bigger than
the game. Nobody there and and once once you were
in it, you were in it, into the game decides
it is done with you you don't decide that you're
done with the game, and I and for one of
the alternative endings, it would have gone and that that

(33:01):
gone on that route, and I think that would have
been a better choice than what they decided to do.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Kay, all right, well we get to the end. I'd
like to hear what that with that endings because I'd
be interested to know. So, so we get to we
get to a scene where you know, Cam has been
he's been hitting the head and he's he's he's at
the combine right, which is arguably a slave auction. I

(33:27):
would make the argument it is I know people, uh
it is how fast can this nigga runk? Like it is,
Like that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
I mean they're literally taking like measurements of your you know, height, weight, wingspan,
and like I get it right, Like people want those
stats and stuff.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
But it's just it's just kind of weird. Man, It's
just kind of weird. I don't think it would bother
me so much if it wasn't so many brown people
in the NFL like it. Like there's an overwhelmingly large
amount of black and brown men in there. They're like,
uh high can you jump? Like why well, we've got this,

(34:07):
We've got this super strong moly we'd like to put
you with. Maybe we could breathe.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
I mean, I mean, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all say that.
But you know, look, I get where the I get
where the comparisons come from. The reason why I don't
liken it to slavery is because they're at the end
of the day, they're all going to get paid a
bunch of money to do this sport, which but also

(34:33):
but also at the same time as someone who is
an unfortunate Ravens fan, I'd be looking at folks and
and be and then when I see how slow they run,
I'm like, yo, what did they run at the carbine?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
What?

Speaker 5 (34:46):
Three?

Speaker 1 (34:46):
What?

Speaker 5 (34:46):
Why is this person on the field? The person this first? Huh?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
I was gonna say, go ahead, Uh does your does
your love for the Ravens extend the length of a coin?
You're like, I don't care for this.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
No, I still claim to them as my team. I'm just,
you know, very disappointed and everything that's happening, and I like,
my money.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
What's the record? Now? Was it like three and third?

Speaker 5 (35:13):
No, there's has to start at one five, right, No, no,
zero and zero the season starts on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
You're like, I refuse to acknowledge those those pasts.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
So I mean, I get it. But you know, look,
sometimes the information comes. It comes in handy when you
have someone who's either really really good or someone who's
really really bad, and you always want.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
To I get it the strongest bud and measuring the next.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
Yes, I want the strongest. I want I want the
strongest fact.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
You know.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
But I would say this when they talk about the wingspan.

Speaker 6 (35:51):
I'm like, again, that's what I'm saying. You got some
long like come on, man, that's it.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
No, No, I'd be I'd be looking at it. I'd
be feeling like so that so that you me and
this person can really catch over some people or.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Whatever whatever you need to do to just.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
Helps you sleep at night.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Fine, Like the measuring their necks, like why why why
just measure their head?

Speaker 5 (36:32):
The helmets done?

Speaker 1 (36:34):
The helmets, No, it's look, look, you may like football,
but the combine is a sleep watch. It is. It's
crazy as white guys up there like a cowboy hat
like I like him, get me two of them?

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Like all right, you know what I do be watching
the combine not I do be watching. I don't do that.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
I don't watch watch I don't watch it. I don't
watch it anymore.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
I literally have never watched it. I like watching. I
like watching linebackers run. Yeah they're way too big.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
Yeah that feels extra to me, which I just like watching.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
I just like watching big people run, you know, like
big people athletics is just funny to me. Not funny right,
because I can't do it right. I'm forty five years old.
I got bad knees and fucking shins that are as
strong as toothpicks. I can't do what they do right.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
But run the forty yard dash way faster than me
is terrifying, Like I shouldn't be allowed. Yeah, good for them,
get your money. So then we have this again. What
I would argue is just an art scene for for

(37:50):
art's sake.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
They got like Danny DeVito's cousin come up in a
sombrero asking to have Cam signed his forehead, and you
know he's just he's fanatic. So, as Michael often says,
don't don't ever forget that the word fan is just
short for fanatic, and that's what all these people are.
Smash cut to cam At at a party and they

(38:13):
are all drinking and smoking weed, having a good time.
And keep in mind he did not do the combine
because of his injury. But you know, everybody's like, is
he going to be drafted? Is he not? Like you know,
is he a liability? And all this other stuff. And
so he gets a call from his agent and they're

(38:34):
basically like, look, Isaiah White, Marlon Wayne's character. You know,
he wants you to come out to his his compound
h and train with him for a week and if
he gives you the like the thumbs up, the Saviors
will draft you. And so he gets his phone call.
He's like sitting in the loan in a tub or whatever,

(38:55):
and then he's like, so what do you say? And
he's like he yells to his girlfriend and his brother
like we're going to the fucking league. So uh. And
then he gets and they're all excited because they're like, yeah,
we're all rich now, and they they black girlfriend.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
I feel like, yeah, as a black girlfriend, look a
dark skinned black girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Uh yeah, that's that is highly important. One thing that
I thought was missing, A big thing I thought was
missing is Marlon Wayne's wife. Uh. One please don't die
your your eyebrows blonde. That's fucking creepy and it makes
me feel very weird. Uh, and I don't like it.
But I was hoping that they were gonna do do

(39:37):
something with their relationship a little bit more and like,
because clearly, like he's a demented person, like so clearly
she's also a demented person. I was I was wondering,
like how that was gonna gonna work. They touch on
a little bit that she's got a larger role in things.
But I was hoping that they would delve into like
maybe some racial ship, but they did unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
They they go out to this middle of nowhere ranch.
I think this is where like all the rappers live,
like fucking Wisconsin or whatever the fuck. And and so
he's he's driving up to the house and you see
all these like fanatics. I guess they're in San Antonio.
And see all these like fanatics. They literally have signs
that say Deity. They're all wearing like goat costumes and shit,

(40:26):
which is which is again yes, very very uh sledgehammer
on head type shit. Look, this could not I refuse
to believe that this has happens dance. This crazy white
woman with blonde hair jumps up against the car and
she's screaming. She looks crazy and goes, oh, yeah, that's
Marjorie and I was like, so that's got to be
Marjorie Tailer Green right, like because she's a part of

(40:48):
a cult, and she looks similar to that woman. And
she's mad because she's like, go home, we don't want you, right,
because the idea is that he's replacing Isaiah White and
they're all nuts and somehow like everyone's like, yeah, I
mean that's just dumb.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
You can't play forever.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, crazy people are crazy. And then I thought this
was just very cool. They drove up to the house
and it just looks dope because clearly Isaiah White has
more money than God. He had an entire football field
next to his house. I guess that he practices that.
And then his house is like walking into a fucking stadium,

(41:32):
which was insane. He goes in and like every other
rich person, they have.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Whose house this really is? Because this is clearly someone's home,
You think it's really Oh yeah, like people build these
weird ass houses all the time. Yeah, I wonder whose
house is that they filmed in. I wonder, it's dope.
I wouldn't live in it because it's in the middle
of fucking nowhere.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
But you know, yeah it's cool.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
It looks cool. Yeah it does. And he goes into
the house and like every other rich person, they have
giant fucking uh images of themselves, which is very weird.
And then then we meet Isaiah for the first time
and he is stretching out like animal skins because he's

(42:17):
fucking weird. And again there's a lot of like, what's.

Speaker 6 (42:22):
Up what he's doing leather tanning? Sure when you stretch
out here, I.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Mean, it just looks like something out of fucking uh
uh Hannibal. So you know, good on you, I guess,
And it's just it's just so like I guess at
a level of like this niggas a bit weird type
of type of ship. So yeah, there's some There are
actually some kind of cool art pieces in the scene.

(42:52):
There was like the tapestry that's melting into the floor.
I thought, dope, but yeah, he basically I look at me,
your phone. There's no TV, there's no phone, there's no
porn hub. I was like, okay, it's unfortunately, there's no
DMS there's no like, there's no grinder. I was like,

(43:12):
all right, we got it. And so he's like, you're
just gonna train, You're just gonna eat sleep football for
one week and then they do this thing. Like day one,
it's just like having fun and everything is cool and
like totally normal for like two days, and then it
starts to get really fucking weird on day three. So
at this point, everything is just a normal football movie

(43:36):
that's a little eccentric, nothing major, Like he's you know,
he's training with Isaiah. They're having a good time. It
looks like a video of Marlon Wayne's hanging out with us,
another celebrity just having fun. You're like, oh, they like
to play football together. Everything's cool, and you meet their
doctor played Jim Jeffrey Jeffrey weird. I was. I was happy.

(44:07):
I was like, say something offensive. He doesn't, and so
they do like this medical exam of him. They tell
him to strip down and then they give him a
hard time. They're like, yeah, why did you take your
underwear off? Like you're being fucking weird. He's like, uh,
kind of told.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Me to do that.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
And then you know, they measure his wingspan and all
this other ship that Tiara is totally cool with sad. Yeah,
you're cool with all of this. They give him take
your take your drawers off, and let me measure.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
You know, I didn't see this.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Shave your happy trail, nigga, what the fuck? Yeah? I
was like, we again, we got it. Put a shirt
of Then we we meet Isaiah's wife and she he's
a fucking weirdo. Again. She has blonde hair and bleach
blonde eyebrows. No thanks, And she's like, hey, I'm selling

(45:10):
these like gems or whatever, and she hands them one.
He's like okay, She's like put it in your butthole camp.
It's like, wow, solid writing, great, great dialogue. And then
this other one was like, oh I'm a really big fan.
It's like, okay, I have a butt plug in my hand,
but thank you got it. And again it's just like

(45:34):
all right, these magas are a bit weird. Also, that
thing looks like it's got a point on it. Yeah,
no thanks. Also it doesn't have a flared base, which
anybody would tell you don't do that, Like that's how
you end up on it? What the fuck? Story on TNP,
Like they sell things for that. I don't listen to

(45:58):
fake ass Kim Kardashian over here. Then, like after training
for for the first day, Cam is sitting in a
in a like in an ice bath. By the way,
those ice cubes are definitely fake, Like, no, those are
plastic in warm water, is what that is. But that's fine.

(46:21):
And Isaiah is there and like everything's cool. They're they're
eating fruit, hanging out, fist bumping and ship like that's cool. Man,
Like day one's cool. Isaiah weirdly is getting blood taken
out of him to save up for for another day.
Fucking weird choice. And then Jim Jefferies comes over as

(46:42):
a doctor and injects Cam with said blood. I'm out
right now one, you're gonna try to do it and
I'm gonna punch you. But now, if I get injected
with somebody's blood, one, I'm leaving to go get a
happatitus test and a bunch.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
Of But here's the thing. If if they inject you
with blood, if they are bold enough to take you
in the middle of nowhere inject you with blood, you
think they're gonna let you leave?

Speaker 1 (47:08):
I mean, you're right, like you already fucked up by
being your phone, your phone. Yeah, I walk about Marjorie.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
Yeah, yeah, you'll have a phone, yeah you.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
This is what happened.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
And this is why I don't This why I don't
watch football. This is what happens you get into football,
This is what happens. This is what they do to y'all.
That scene by the way of injecting someone else's blood
reminding me of the there was an HBO movie starting
Mario van Peebles where he's like a vampire, uh, and
they injected his blood into them like other cops and shit.
I was like, I remember watching that ship back in

(47:44):
the like nineties. I was like, no, no, I would
not do that. That's fucking gross. So Day two is
called Poise, and he gets woken up by that one
dude who says cock a doodle do nigga and they
play shook Ones, which is a great song. And so

(48:05):
he goes out there and he starts jogging with Isaiah
out in the middle of the fucking desert like like
he's in a Creed movie. Uh, and he can't keep
up because who the can.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Then he has, like I guess, a premonition.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
Rubber jacket on what that thing is He's got on.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Isn't that the same suit from that Invisible Man movie.

Speaker 6 (48:30):
That's what I thought.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
That's the same thing I thought when I saw him
in that suit of like the Invisible Man suit.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
That was awesome. Yeah, And so in his delirium, somebody
walks over to him in a mascot outfit smashes him
in the head with the the Savior hammer, killing him.
But of course it doesn't really He like wakes up again.

(48:58):
How would we know? To your point early here, like
is this fantasy? Is this real? But he wakes up
and like he's all fucked up, and so Isaiah's like,
all right, let's get you back and then you know,
get you on some oxygen and shit like that. And
so they go back in and uh, you know, they're
like they're chatting up and it's just start training again,

(49:19):
and he gets injected with the blood again. No that
that that's two bad decisions in a row, and a
series of other bad decisions. And so Isaiah brings in
a couple of other dudes, and Cam's like, all right,
like who are He's like hot hitting niggas, Like who

(49:41):
are they? He's like, oh, there is just some dudes,
And of course they're yeah, these are these are clearly
cult members, is kind of what you find out. And
one guy decides to volunteer to stand in front of
I don't know what this machine is called, but it's
the one did they use the like shoot football to

(50:03):
like to practice with likes?

Speaker 3 (50:06):
No bullshit, it's it's a pitching machine or a jugs machine.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
All right?

Speaker 5 (50:12):
No, yeah, Jae's machine.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
That's that is a fucking ridiculous name. So they use
a jugs machine. And they had this white dude staying
in front of it, not thirty feet away, but like
two feet away. And every time Cam misses a throat

(50:36):
to these these other guys, they launch a football into
this dude's face. No thanks, Oh it's fucked up. And
uh it looked like he volunteered to do it. Yeah
he did.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
He's like, I'll volunteers tribute. Yeah again, I'm like, what
are we doing right now? As I'm watching the fucker? Okay,
what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 1 (51:06):
You wouldn't you would never volunteer to do something like this.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
I gotta tell you, I don't think I would do it.
I don't think that's I don't think that's the thing
I would.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Do I not once. I don't give a fuck if
it was John Elway in his prime throwing football. So
I'll be like, no, I don't, I don't. I don't
trust it, Like no, I don't want to get hit
in the nose by a football going I don't know,
thirty miles an hour from my face. Fuck that. And
so yeah, they the pressure is on for this other

(51:36):
guy that not get murdered basically, and so cams like
he has to keep taking snaps with his eyes closed
and you know, turning around and throwing largely blind to
these other guys so that this guy doesn't get more
brain damage, which I'm sure he got a significant amount,

(51:56):
like by getting hit twice probably, And they turn up
the speed on the the jugs machine to like sixty
I don't know, is that sixty fucking miles an hour?
I assume it is cool. And uh, yeah, this is
white boy is getting his fucking head beaten in over

(52:17):
and over again. I don't even know how he can stand.
And Marla Waynes gives us like a pretty good speech
about like like nah, this all the shit is on you,
like you're the quarterback, like all the glory, all the
defeat all of that is on you and he gets
like it's like it's an intense speech. Like I was
impressed by his ability to kind of like really bring
it in these scenes. So it was fun.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
But he's he's a pretty he's a pretty solid, you know,
dramatic actor. I would like to see him do more drama.
I you know, I I don't think he's particularly he's funny,
but like he's funny in a way that like, oh,

(53:01):
I'm hanging out with this dude, and you know he's
he's kind of funny, right. But you know, I'm not
a huge fan of his stand up or you know,
when he's in a funny movie. Right, But but I
do appreciate his his dramatic work, and I think he

(53:23):
should lean more into that, if I'm being quite honest, because.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
He he does. He does elevate this movie.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Marlon Wayne's elevates a movie is not something that I
ever thought I would say, But he does.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, No, he's the reason you see it, to be honest,
he's the reason. Yeah, he's the reason. He's the only
character in this movie that I.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Care about, which you know, isn't saying much about the
movie because like he's the antagonist.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
And yeah, that's why boys getting fucked up. Yeah, to
the point where he's splattering blood on the guy in
front of the earth the jugsmanship. Yeah, I have to
say I I really did like his turn in this.

(54:20):
I thought it was really good. So eventually they they
end the exercise, and this is why dude is like
missing a tooth. His nose is all fucked up because
it's probably broken multiple times, got a huge gash in
the front of his and his eyebrow. Uh, he looks
like he got into a boxing match with Mike Tyson

(54:40):
and didn't have gloves on.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
To this movie's credit, you know, any other movie, they
would be hazing the actual you know, main character. Yeah,
but to put the to to haze this character by
you know, by torturing someone else is is you know

(55:07):
that that's pretty unique, Like because you can't, like you can't,
you can't funk him up. He's the money, right, Yeah,
that's why that's why they have That's why I practice
quarterbacks got away those red jerseys, right because like, please
don't hit this money me is why if right, if

(55:31):
he go down, you're gonna have one in five five.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
If he goes down, your season won't start until late October,
and then you have to.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Win every fucking game. Yeah the oh god, damn it,
fucking Ravens.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
So we see, we see after after that hard day
on that white guy Cam goes into like a hyperback
chamber or something like that that they put him in
to help with his injuries because he's like bleeding from the.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Head, and so like that's how he recovers. Then Day
three is leadership, and so for that, I also like
it's a throwaway line. But I also like light the line, Hey,
is what's his name going to be?

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (56:28):
And Marlon Ways is like if you call him what's
his name?

Speaker 1 (56:31):
You don't really care, do you.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
It's like, yep, yeah, I love that, Like you're right,
I don't care, lean into it, yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
And and that, And I think that might be like
a subtle like a subtle nod, a subtle hint into like, hey,
this guy is changing, right, He's getting deeper and deeper
into this pursuit of perfection that like, oh yeah, he's
he's losing his humanity.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Exactly to this, right. I mean, even when he's walking
up on day three, the dude was like, I'm beyond
your beyond your ass like white on Rice and Cambage
is laughing at this point, like he's not he's not
waking up like all scared or whatever. He's he's just
like fully yeah, devolving.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
Also that I also feel like those commentary about the
fans too, because I know, sometimes like when I'm watching
the game and someone like gets hurt and unless it's
like some sort of gruesome injury where they where, they
literally won't show the replay because it's so gruesome. I mean,
And even then sometimes once a person leaves the field,

(57:49):
it's like all right, back to business, like back to
the game, all right, cool, well, next next man up?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
I'm shocked. I'm shocked. And when Tomorrow Hamblin went down,
they canceled the game. I am shocked by it.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Mm hmm. It must have been pretty bad.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
I mean, he thought he was dead.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
And look, you know what that and that that was
what maybe three years ago, and let me tell you this,
people are over that now.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Oh yeah, doing that again.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
He can't He came back to play and the people
realized he wasn't that good. They were like, when can
we saw criticizing his play again?

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Time has it been long enough because this is a
what have you done for me lately?

Speaker 1 (58:47):
League? Yeah, Like, I think I feel like football. One
of the weirdest things about football to me, and this
is actually probably any professional sports, like team sports is
like people will be like, this is a player, I
love this play, I love this player, and then they
get traded. You're like, fuck that person forever. You're like, wait,
I thought they were your favorite player. Like people just
hate them immediately because they're not on the team. Like

(59:08):
it's it's so strange to me, but it's the same
thing because they don't really care about them. They pretend
to if you're wearing the proper uniform or what have you.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Right, So, yeah, I've never I've never owned a jersey
of any sports player ever.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Know what kind of what kind of losers would own
football drop.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
Uh the one the one, the ones, the ones who'll
get them signed in person and never wear them again
because I know it's gonna be worth something. I will
also say, I think fans are are a bit better
about that now, Like if someone gets traded or whatever,
they yves traded a player but honestly, like he wasn't
that good, so it was like you know, I mean,

(59:56):
let's they trade huh no, no, God, I will say,
but let's say they trade, like, you know, someone like
Mark Andrews or whatever. Like you know, no one's going
to be like, what you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Might have a heart attack. That's your diabetes, buddy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
You know, look I am. This team can't hurt me.
This team cannot hurt me anymore. So I would be
very sad. But like, but if you went to like somewhere,
let's say, like Tampa Bay, I'd be like, all right, cool,
all right, Mark. Or let's say you have someone named

(01:00:36):
Joe Flacco who is on the Bangles.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
That's exactly the reference I was about to make White
Baltimore is get over Joe fla.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Joe Flacco, who's my quarterback, the goat of Baltimore. You know,
you know he's on a huge divisional rival and you
know I love him. But if he was understand I'd
be like, what, nigga, fuck you because you want to
feel this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
But I think that's I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Think when you go to a rival team, that's when
people were like most people are usually kind of chill,
especially like if you like, hey, I really have time here.
Now I gotta move on and all that, but like
if you go to a rival team, yeah, it's fucking forever.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Like specifically the Steelers, not the Browns of the Bangals.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
But no, Baltimore hates the steel Yeah, I mean that
makes sense, oh, Joe Flacke. So so yeah, Day three
is leadership, and you know, people just getting fucking rocked,
like they're playing way harder football, and Isaiah's like grabbing

(01:01:49):
Cams like you know, his helmet, like by his face
masking ship like you better get your head in the
game type of ship, like he ain't no pretty boy
shit out here again, like gotta gotta brain injury, Like
this is a real fucking problem. And then we see
we see a play and we see Cam end up

(01:02:10):
in a head to head collision with with one of
the players, and it's pretty fucking brutal. They do the
X ray thing. It's very like Mortal Kombat type of shit,
and so you get that vision and you're like, oh
fucking you see like blood and this guy is like
seemingly paralyzed and and they lead you to believe that

(01:02:34):
it's Cam that's on the ground. But as the as
like it goes back into like normal footage, you see that.
It's actually uh Cam is the one who initiated the
head to head collision and this guy is like seizing
on the ground like he is fucked up, and he's like, oh,

(01:02:56):
you know, sorry, man, I just lost myself and he
says it to Isaiah and Isaiah is like, I'm so
fucking which is a hell of a way to end
the second act of this movie.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
And it is.

Speaker 6 (01:03:08):
Joked.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
I literally watched it right as somebody think it socks
take that nigga.

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
Nigga sucks around the jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Yo, that joke. I literally paused the movie to what
I meant to clip that out for the show. Like
there's a Patrise O'Neil the stand up joke where he's
talking about he's like like we used to play football
when we used to go around, like getting a circle
after we knocked the dude out on like on the
ground and like do like an Indian champman like he's parallaz.

(01:03:43):
That's what get they did, Yeah, and that's literally what happened.
They're literally chanting a circle around this dude who is
paralyzed on the fucking ground and they're celebrating this nigga
is fucking dead like or dying and they're like, yeah, saviors.

(01:04:05):
On three, it's like he's still on the ground, like
he's still laying there. And that's the end of it too.
Where at this point Cam is kind of full in
on all of this like super crazy shit, and like
he starts to have visions of being like suffocated and
you know, there's cameras everywhere. All of this is like

(01:04:27):
in his head message and you know, so he's dealing
with all of this shit, but like maybe it did happen,
who knows. It could be a mystery. He gets a
chance to get on the phone and call it call
his family for a little bit, like he's in fucking
jail and they're like, oh, did you get our message?

(01:04:48):
We texted you. He's like, I'm not allowed to have
a phone and sorry mama, Michell and so he so
while he's on the phone, Jim Jeffery's come up and
he's like, yeah, man, I don't you know this business
is hard, Like it's like gladiators out there and all
this other ship and he's like, I don't get to

(01:05:09):
see my kids. And he's like, damn, you don't get
to see your kids. That's crazy and he goes, well,
I don't really have kids, but if I did, like,
that's not the point, which I can't take. I can't
take this character seriously. I can't take this character seriously
at all. Man, Like it's Jim Jeffries Yo, Like he's
got an asshole. He's so goddamn funny. I just love that,

(01:05:32):
Like I don't have kids, but that's not the point.
And so he's like, yeah, do you have anything, any
thing for a headache or whatever? And he's like, listen, man,
just understand that this is like this is like the coliseum.
When two men into the coliseum, only one leaves, right,
you know. Message Uh. Then we see Marjorie Taylor Green

(01:05:53):
and two other fanatics outside of excuse me, Marjorie standing
outside of the house looking and you see Isaiah and
Cam they're in a in a sauna and he's like, look,
you know, I'm gonna miss being you know, the quarterback.
You know, I missed the locker room and the fans

(01:06:17):
and and all that. He's like, it's like a you
know place, smells like a brotherhood and all this other stuff. Right,
Like you always get these moments of like, oh, he's
just like a really big fan of football. He just
likes it. Nah that Nigga's crazy, Like, don't don't forget
he's insane. And he's like the only inconsistent thing in

(01:06:38):
my life has been football, which is really sad thing
to say out loud. And then he gives him this
this like sort of choice, Like in a conversation, he's like,
if you were starving, you were like, if you were
in prison and you were starving and they said you
could have either food or freedom, which would you choose?

(01:07:01):
Which is an interesting is an interesting question? I guess?

Speaker 6 (01:07:05):
And he goes, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
He goes, isn't it obvious? I was like, I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I mean, I don't think it's that obvious. Is it obvious?
I mean, I guess freedom? But I'm still hungry?

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
How far am?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
But if I have my freedom to take my freedom
and then go to a fucking McDonald's, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
What if you're still Meanwhile, Cam does something that I
think is impossible, which is falling asleep in a sauna. No,
I'm being cooked like KFC chicken in there with the
funk out of here? How does hell? No, it's hot?
There you go. That's my review it's hot, sweat along.

(01:07:46):
That's it. Uh, you feel good after get out of though.
So somehow Marjorie Marjorie Tayler Green and here two weird
fans or friends sneak into the sauna, like from underneath
the benches or some ship. And again this is like
some really like weird artsy ship. And she tries to

(01:08:07):
kill him. She tries to take a like a sauna
rock and bash him in the head. He of course
moves and he starts like choking her. Look, I don't
I'm not a fan of violence against women, but you
should have punched her in the face. How to punch
her the face like you don't need to choke her
like that. That's taking a lot, a lot more effort
than needs to be exerted here him. Yeah, no, I'm

(01:08:31):
just saying, punch her in the face a couple of times,
like he knock her up.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
Fine.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Like My question at this point is considering the ending,
did Marlon set this up? Probably get in then, yeah,
probably to try to kill him.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
I mean she is, she's a fanatic.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
No, No, I don't. I don't think it's I think
it was for him to kill her. I think that's
that's the point. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
But if you didn't wake up it he didn't wake
up and she fucking bashed his fucking head in with
that rock.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
Oops.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
What then that's what I'm saying, Like this is ship
like this. I like, first of all, how did she
get in there? I'm okay, so they let them in.
And second, if this plan had failed.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Then what Yeah, but he's got like he's got like
he's got like super nigga blood now, so like yeah,
like yeah, yeah, you just take his you take his body,
and you harvest the blood from it, right, yeah, and
then then you make a young, younger one that slowly
deteriorates into disgusting behaviors. Yeah. So he gets out, he

(01:09:45):
gets out of the sauna, and then Isaiah comes and
grabs this woman and throws her across the room.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
He's oddly, how does he have super strength.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Because he has super nigga blood? I mean, like, are
you even watching?

Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
Watched and like he kissed me off. I don't like
this weird shit just to be weird. Like I said, he.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Kissed that woman in her whole ass mouth. That's gross
to me. And then he threw her against the wall.
I assume killing her immediately. Yeah, then that that's what happened.
And then two dudes from mad Max Fury Roads. Yea,

(01:10:30):
they were like witnessed me. And then like that was it.
Then here comes uh Isaiah wife, Isaiah's wife, she's back
and her she's like, hey, we're all Me and a
bunch of other hot girls are gonna or me and
some hot girls are all gonna like, uh, drink and

(01:10:51):
fuck each other. I guess, I don't know, Like that's
just what the devil does. And do you want to come?
And he's like, I've got a girlfriend back and home
and they're like, pussy, you're not and he's like, I'll
be right. I can only run so fast. And Jim
Jefferies is there like mopping up the blood in the

(01:11:12):
sauna while drinking and being Jim Jefferies and so they
just like take this dude's clothes off and start drinking.
And I assume tried to fuck him. I don't know
if he does or not. We have no idea. And
then he wakes up the next day to Marlon Wayne's
acting exactly how I would have acted if I thought
some ship was going on, which having a gun sitting

(01:11:35):
there be like did you fuck her? And then I'd
blow your fucking brains out if I thought you did.
Which this is a great scene because he seems things.
He seems to say, yeah, I think it's totally as
a reaction totally, but I like to think because he's
just he's having he's having fun. I like that. And

(01:12:01):
then he does the weird thing with putting a gun
in his mouth like he's sucking to dick. I didn't
appreciate that, like I got it, and he spat on
it too, like what the like he had he had
to like okay, I didn't even say, like.

Speaker 6 (01:12:21):
You probably had lived there. He probably honestly lived that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
I bet this entire scene is ad lived. It feels like,
which I'm not mad at, Like he's gonna take the
cucumbing to the dome, like yeah, like this is the
goofiest Marlon Wayin's is in this movie is in this scene.
And you know, so he's like, oh, did you fuck

(01:12:44):
those girls? And he's like he's like, no, I have
a girlfriend. He was like, if you're afraid to hurt
your girlfriends, if you're too afraid to hurt your girl's
feelings like you're too You're like, uh, there's no chance
of fucking hell you could. You know, you could be
a quarterback. So that's a fun thing to say while
putting a gun in a guy's face.

Speaker 6 (01:13:05):
I'm like, that was just in your mouth, nigga, Like,
can you not get that ship off my face?

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
By the way, if you're ever gonna if you're gonna
use a gun and you don't want to shoot someone
but you want to scare the ship out of them
or hurt them, you fire the gun and then you
put the barrel of the gun on the side of
their head because it's hot. Seen that in the movie,
and that looks painful. I feel like that'd be something
cool to do to somebody if you didn't like them.
Just aside me. I think that's kind of cool. I

(01:13:38):
was like, that's that's a.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
You know, you're not helping Mexico's reputation. Bro, Like, it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
Bottom was dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
I live, It's fine. Where the y'all live is dangerous.
Y'all got tainted meat coming. No worry about me, about
worry about yourself. Look, I'll just put it. I'll put
it's step for a while. Hometown. No. So so then

(01:14:13):
Marlon Ways is like, while we in Texas, while I
put on a cowboy hat for some fucking reason, let's
go shooting. That's what people out there do. And so
it's day four Resilience and they just go out in
the middle of fucking nowhere and they just start shooting
at like football helmets and ship and then they put

(01:14:36):
somebody I don't know who it is in a mascot
suit and they just lean them up and they're like,
all right, you know, shoot this uh shoot this mascot
like if you do it, like, I'll give you anything
you want. And he's like, uh, all right. He's like,

(01:14:57):
but if I if I win, like if I if
I hit the target, then I might let you like
if I lose, I might let you stay on his quarterback.
He says that to to Isaiah, and Isaiah gets clearly
visibly pissed.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Uh well, Isaiah says, if you if you make the shot,
I'll give you whatever you want, and if you miss,
I'll get to take your youth. Oh take your youth
right right, yeah, And then Cam says, if I if
I make the shot, I don't remember what you said,
but if I miss you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
I might let you, I might let you. Want to
keep you be one or whatever? Yeah? Yeah, And but
he does make the shot and presumably kills whoever this
real person is. Ah, okay, maybe it's Marjorie Taylor Green.
I don't know, because he was like, oh what happened
to scot Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
One.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
He was like, what happened to that? That woman? And
Marlin's like what woman? What woman? Oh yeah? He was like,
so probably her in that costume. Then then he gets
into some sort of hyperbaric chamber again get no thanks,
and ject's more blood. Then they have day five, which

(01:16:14):
is vision, and he's like, oh okay, like I thought
we were going to be training. He's like, nah, this
is this is training and it's all like media shit, right,
So he's like taking pictures and getting interviewed and and
all this other shit like digging into kind of digging
into his psyche and try he tries breaking him down,
like the interviewer breaks him down, and he's like, I

(01:16:36):
let down my dad. I told him I didn't want
to play football anymore, right before he died. And so
you just get you get a little sense of like
hit more of his character, right, but again, you're getting
a sense of his character at an hour and nine
minutes into the movie, right, like to your points earlier, Yeah,

(01:16:58):
it's twenty minutes. Yeah, yeah, it's a long time to
wait for this.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Twenty minutes eleven. Now you're trying to make me care
about this character.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
Like yeah, yeah, if you're going to have just be
an avatar, just haven't been an avatar that anyone can
project onto. But until this point, he was just a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Yeah. I mean that makes me think that maybe the
name of this movie isn't by chance. I know, people
say like I am him or whatever. It's like a
like a cool thing to say. The original the original
name of the movie was goat.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Greatest of All Time because the movie is about like perfectionism, right,
like yeah, no, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
I get it, and I hate it because you know
because bam, right, Like yeah, no thanks, but you know
he's got so he's got this. Like I'm wondering if
the title like even going with him. It's almost like

(01:18:02):
protagonists in that Christopher Nolan movie, right, like this could
be anyone, right, Like, yeah, they're making they're making him
into something, not into an actual person, right, he is
a commodity. Right. They're making him into the ultimate product,
right to replace last year's models, so to speak. They

(01:18:24):
they take a they take a car, Miss White and
Cam they take a car to this like seemingly like
little ship dump of a place, and secretly it's like this,
it's like this big time event with the Saviors, and
so they're like everybody's there, and it's all supposed to

(01:18:48):
be all like, oh, you're you know, you're hanging out
and you know, shaking hands with like the owner and
everything else, and you know, so they can get a
real look at you, you know, check your wingspan sort
of sort of thing and see if you fit in.
And everybody is they all look like people that you
shouldn't trust as a black person. As far as I'm

(01:19:10):
gett turned, I'm like, yeah, you guys are all in
the Trump administration. Is that what's going on? And meanwhile,
Isaiah is like, now I'm not gonna go. I'm just
gonna stay and stay home and train, right because that's
all he cares about doing. So we just we get
like all these flashes of Cam drinking and then like

(01:19:34):
vomiting up gold chains and diamonds and ship because he's
he's delirious. I don't know if any of that really
happened or not. It's a mystery.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Jim Jim Jefferies was there and as soon as he
got in and he uh, he whispered to him run
as in like run like he get out of here. Yeah,
and uh and then you know, we get more you know,
surreal Molly ship. I guess is it is this what

(01:20:08):
it's like to be on Molly. I don't I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
I don't do drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
What in the world, Well, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
You're in, you're in, You're in California. I used to
work with a guy named Rudolph.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
He was a.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Russian born gentleman and uh, you know he he didn't
really care for California. He said, California land the home
of fruits and nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Here's a man that's not acceptable thing for me to
laugh at.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
But that's I mean, what part does he does he
know that California is a really big.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Big land of fruits and nuts fan fran Diego like
he don't care. Okay, So I thought, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
Right, they do. I don't do drugs. Drugs are dangerous, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Well, during the during that whole.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Thing, that you definitely don't know about. He finds, uh,
he finds the severed head of Jim Jefferies.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
By the way, this day is called Yeah, yeah, it
killed Jim Jefferies. I guess because.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
I'm assuming, because Jim Jefferies is uh, you know, having
second thoughts or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
I you know, well, and he warned any warn cam
and and yeah he warned him, but liked anybody see that?
Anybody hear that? Like I think she heard it?

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Yeah apparently and was and had a and had a
dexter room ready.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
For him as you do.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Like all right, man, all right, So this seemed like
it just happened for no fucking reason, right, Like there's
no point in that character dying, and that character dying, doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
I don't feel for that. Oh Jim Jefferies died, Like yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
No question if that even happened. For a second, I
was like, is this did this actually happen? Did it
actually kill him?

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Jim Jefferies dying in this movie is the is the
avatar of the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
It had no impact whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
No culture is just like cool in the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
So he gets back from so he gets he gets
back from the party of like cutting people's heads off.
It's I guess, I guess it's the same night. And
he's like laying in the very obvious that's not ice
bath and he's getting a blood infusion and he sees

(01:23:07):
there's a there's literally a needle that says run on
it with like character doing this, which is what Jim
Jefferies did. He injects himself with it, seemingly like trying
to pull it, push it into his heart. Good, good
luck with that. And I guess it's it's something to

(01:23:28):
kind of sober him up right, you know, maybe it's
adrenaline or something. I have no idea, but to counteract
him being injected by that filthy discussing blood from Marlon Waites.
And so he's he's very much. He's he's woke. Now,
I guess one could say, and so I wouldn't, but
one could say that. He goes into Isaiah's room, I

(01:23:55):
don't know, and Isaiah's like, yeah, I'm watching tape and
it's just he's just watching fans cheer, like cult ship
just cheering. And when when he looks up, when Cam
looks up at it, he actually smiles like because he's
he's into it as well, but he's still kind of like,

(01:24:17):
you know, he's still kind of fucked up. And so
he tried he has a he has a statue or
like an award or something. He tries to stab Isaiah
and the eye with it. Okay, it's brutal as and
then you mean they fight. They fight shirtless because for
the ladies, and it's a pretty brutal fight where he

(01:24:42):
breaks Cam's arm and uh to the point of like
seeing bone coming out from the skin, which is a gross. Yeah,
he gave him.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
He gave him to disarm her. Terrence shut wrestling.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
So there's something about this movie that I did like,
particularly the scene where he's watching tape and the tape
is just of the fans cheering them on, and the
earliest scene where he's like, if I want I take
your youth. I did wonder what that meant. I was like,
are like, can he has he? Have they done this

(01:25:21):
before with other players and taken? Was that like a
literal thing?

Speaker 6 (01:25:25):
But whatever?

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
I thought this was partly a commentary on players who
cannot let the game go because for so long, a
lot of a lot of athletes, they don't know what
life looks like after the age of like thirty three,
when they retire from the game, and you still have

(01:25:48):
so much of your life left to go, and hopefully
you've had good money management habits and you can live
off of that for the rest of your life. A
lot of them will not be able to. But but
then there's this thing of like, even if you're the
greatest of all time, there's always going to be someone
that's coming after you. Your your replacement is is right

(01:26:09):
on the bench behind you. Your replacement is your is
your teammate. And I thought this was pretty pretty decent
commentary on like some on some players who probably stay
around a little bit too long and don't and don't
know when to hang it up, and they and now that,
but they but they end up sabotaging the people behind

(01:26:30):
them because they don't want to they're not rather, they're
not ready to say go bye. So I Joe Flacco
still he because he don't want to go home to
his kids, because.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
He got like like I'm locking this ship down.

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
And she got she got pregnant. As soon as they
got married. She got pregnant. But but I mean, but
there's like this jokes that we have on what do
you say?

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
So that's how you keep Joe Flacco around Baltimore. You
can learn a lesson from miss Flacco.

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
By getting pregnant by him. He did give he didn't
want to give us a super Bowl. Well, he didn't
give us a super Bowl thirteen years ago. Mm hmm.
That's been a while, god with with only four playoff
wins since four playoff wins in thirteen years. But okay, whatever,

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But there's just like, there's this joke that we have
on us on sports Twitter about players loving their families
too much. So like one of the one of the
players from the Dolphins was like, no matter if I
folk throw five picks or five touchdowns, I still get
to go home with my family. And people on the
time were like, hmm, you can't be here. You gotta

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it's time for you to go home be a family.
We can't. We can't have you loving your family anything
that you're going to be the greatest. But what the
reality is is.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
That, man, wouldn't that have been and to comment on
in this movie. Wouldn't it been awesomething to comment on
in this movie about people to be perfect?

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
He kind of did right, He said pick your own
there's a there's a conversation they have earlier in the movie.
He was like, be better than me, or he said,
pick the I don't. He's doing his Forest Family. He
was telling him he was doing the Forest Family. He
was like, uh, do you really want to?

Speaker 6 (01:28:19):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
I can't remember what he said, but he said something
similar to that. But again it was like a throway line.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
I'm talking about like I'm I'm I want that dude
to be well they said, no phones, but I wanted
I want him to be bombarded by social media, like
like as as another form of like you gotta be
this to you gotta be great if you want to
be here type of thing.

Speaker 6 (01:28:48):
Mm hmm, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
I mean, well, but but that's the thing, right, Like
if you're if you're someone who was an athlete or
or any profession right where you want to be the
absolute best, so one of the best and lead this
amazing legacy. You are sacrificing a lot and that includes
like your family and to an extent, not like literally obviously,
but like you are giving up that time with your kids.

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Tom Brady talked a lot about that about how you
now wanted to be involved in his kids' life now
that he's retired and his kids are like teenagers. But yeah,
for twenty years. But like, I mean, I mean, but
it's but it's not a comment that you hear like
players or even coaches, especially head coaches who sleep at

(01:29:36):
the office, Like how often are they going to their
kids baseball games and soccer games? Or you know, how
much of their wives.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Sleep? Yeah, that's how I'm surprised. I'm surprised that they
even tell people that they're married, right, like just a secret.
Like that's fucking weird. It's super weird.

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
I mean, continue, I mean they surely, I mean they surely.
You think they probably are somewhat bachelor like life when
they have like their bed in the office and don't
go home.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
That's gross. That's gross, Like, that's that's bizarre. Shop.

Speaker 5 (01:30:20):
I mean, but if you're getting paid millions to make
a team win, John, I'm gonna need you to.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
Sleep every night.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
Yeah, he in a comfy ben.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
He's like, oh, it's for He's like, man, better be
I'm like, you better go watch tape. Y'all are zero
and zero right now. He got.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Right, that's gonna he's gonna watch watch tape of a
movie he likes because he gonna be you wanna be gone?

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Yeah, he don't got time to.

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
At least in my generational quarterback. My generational quarterback is him,
and I have to watch him suffer and possibly never
win a ring. I hate it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Here, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Isn't he coming back this week or next week? Is he? Maybe?

Speaker 5 (01:31:20):
Maybe he was?

Speaker 6 (01:31:22):
He was in practice.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Limited. He limited in practice, he was just throwing the ball.
He wouldn't do nothing else. But you know, I am
so do y'all know what it's like to be in
the city where they have two good football teams and
the baseball team is going to the World Series, And
then I have to tell you about I'm an Orioles
fan and a Ravens fan. Yeah, And the way that
they look, they're like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm like, fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Yeah. Do you need this helpline? Do you need the
suicide prevention help line? It's not we're one and five
not doing good, bue not do good. So we see
these two gentlemen, they decided to fight seemingly to the
death in in this in Isaiah's Chamber of Secrets. I

(01:32:15):
don't know what the fuck is going on in there,
and he talks about how like he has blood in
him from like previous football champions and like I always thought, like, oh,
is Isaiah the devil? But I guess he's not the devil.
He's just some dude who's got like some sort of

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demon powers or what have you. And then they do
the X ray sort of scene again, which looks really
brutal and fucked up, especially when there's like blood dripping
down and all this other ship. It's just it looks
fucking crazy, which I appreciate it. Yeah, but then there's
no blood on the Yeah, there should be actual blood reality,

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but it's a it's a it's a clever way of
handling it. And then they just he breaks the shit
out of his arm, which was fucked up, and then
Cam gets up after having his his shit all fucked up.
He grabs a helmet and he says, hey, do you
know where the opposite of a savior is? And Isaiah's like, oh,
a killer, which a sinner? Yeah, it was like, it's

(01:33:24):
definitely not a killer. That was a weird response. The
response he gave when he hit him with the helmet yeah,
also also doesn't make sense. But okay, and he hits
him with the fucking h football and as he's about
to give the like death blow or one of them,

(01:33:45):
the helmet starts glowing. I guess that's God? Is it God?
Is it bels abub nosferatu?

Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
I don't whatever the blow was gave it gave his arm,
the broken arm the power to work again for like
ten seconds before.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Maybe maybe it's legitimately just maybe it's like from the
last dragon, like that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Yeah, he said, he said, what's the opposite of a
of a savior? A mascot?

Speaker 6 (01:34:17):
I was like, no, it's not like what. I was like, yes, yeah,
a mascot.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
I was like, the fuck does that mean? Yeah, what
are we doing? What are we doing? Like that? That
line sucks because it doesn't make any sense, like at all,
Like he he might as well have like hit him
in and like surfs up like like a terrible like
nineties Longe Like I don't know, just yeah, you should

(01:34:50):
have thought that line better, and you know, yeah, we
don't all need to like some motherfucker's always trying to
ice skate up hill kind of moment. You just hit
this nigger like it doesn't have to be a rhyme
or reason behind it, and then we go like full
cult after he defeats. After he defeats Isaiah, I guess

(01:35:13):
Isaiah is dead right, because he just keeps punching the
ship out of him. And so he drags himself out
into this like to that super Bowl fucking stadium or
football stadium that he that was next to his house,
I guess, and there's like cheerleaders there and there's fireworks
and all this other ship. They're like, all right, cool

(01:35:34):
to sign a contract, like you know, you're you're the
you're the man now, and he's like, nah, I don't,
I don't think. So he thinks about his family and
so he starts being like really reluctant. And the guys
are in like all this like weird regalia there. They
got like pig masks on and and all this ship

(01:35:57):
and it's it's full on cult ship, right like it
just bizarre and weird and being artsy and bizarre for
no reason. And his his his agent is there and
he's like all right, like I'll get them, I'll try
to get him to sign, and he's like, get the
fuck away from me type of ship. And so he
decides like, no, I'm not gonn, I'm not gonna sign

(01:36:18):
the contract. And you hear a voice inside his head,
which is his dad saying like, Yo, sacrifice, that's you know,
that's what a man does or whatever. And so it's
the idea that he is sacrificing his career to to
like kill these people or what have you. That's gonna
work legally.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
But no, I think his dad is like sacrifice, like, hey, man,
like you you have to make these sacrifices to make
it here, right, Like because his dad was a piece
of ship.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Yeah, but you think his dad, his dad, They they
his dad helped orchestrate this, right, So I'm saying, so,
did he not think that helped killing his dad? I
don't think it's that helped orchestra I don't think that's true.
I think I think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Cam refuses to sign the contract and a violent outburst
kills a lease, all the owners and the masked attacker,
who revealed to be Isaiah and Cam's trainer Malik, using
a hammer on a sword. I swear I thought I
thought I thought that the dad.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Had something to do with this ship.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
They just said that they they present him, They present
him with a contract to sign, revealing that Cam's father
arranged for him to be the next goat.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
They explained that earlier picture of his dad and the
owner and the owner, right, yeah, you're right, you're right, Yeah,
that's right. I forget about that.

Speaker 6 (01:37:50):
So did they kill his father because he think I
think that didn't want.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
To sacrifice himself.

Speaker 6 (01:37:59):
He didn't put the fall anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
And he was like, hey, look then the dad maybe
he was like, kill me so my fucking son will
play football or the fuck instead so he can become
the goat.

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
So you can I think again.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
Honestly, yes, it's because when when agent, when agent Randy
Pitchford is explaining it to him, he's like, hey, we
arranged all this, We arranged it to isolate you, right,
because like that's it's the it's the story of the athlete, right, Like, oh,
I didn't have my dad growing up and I live

(01:38:34):
in bump fuck Florida, and like they arranged all this shit.
So they might have killed him, but that was the
sacrifice that the dad wanted to make so that his
son could be the perfect QB.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
This is the same ending. This is the same ending
as Batman Beyond, Like you come to find out like, oh,
you're not a clone of Batman, but we like you
have his DNA and your parents conveniently died, and then
we did all these things so that you would become Batman.
It's like what, like why did you do that? Like

(01:39:08):
that's fucked up. It's like we needed a Batman. It's like,
so we made one. Yeah, okay, And so he's like
free will and I don't wanna. I don't want to
sign this ship, and so he he ducks, uh, this
one dude who tries to kill him again, Like Mike,
I said, that's the that's the dude who bashed his

(01:39:30):
head into the beginning. He straight up murder that guy
with the same weapon that he got hit in the
head with, which you know, I appreciated the brutality of
at all. And then he proceeds to get up to
kill the other people, and Isaiah's wife is like, I'll
fucking deal with this. I have to deal with all
his ship in the league. And as she's walking over,

(01:39:50):
she trips and stabs herself in the neck and dies,
which I appreciate it. That's funny. And the owner's like,
oh that's stuck. Oops. Good luck with that, and she
just fucking straight bleeds out. And then he proceeds to
just fucking stab these other owners in the back with swords.

(01:40:11):
And then he's throwing a sword like a football and
hits the guy in the back. That was great. Uh
then he kind of disemboweled that one guy, which is
pretty awesome. And uh then the and then the owner
is like like stuck up at the uprights and he
just cut that guy's head off, which was pretty brutal.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
So said he was gonna kill his family, by the way,
right before he didn't decided decided to go fun yourself. Yeah,
they look your family.

Speaker 6 (01:40:44):
Okay, I think I have.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
None of you, old nigga, Right, this dude just took
out a dude in a in a in a mascot
uniform with a hammer. Bro, Like you think your old
ass gonna make it out right, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
Y'all will have no kind of security, Like he killed
the biggest dude y'all had down there. Now, all of
y'all in trouble, that one dude doesn't account.

Speaker 5 (01:41:12):
That's how I imagine how how a certain owner of
America's team would react.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
Jerry Jones time the paper Boy in fact.

Speaker 5 (01:41:31):
Actually, in fact, I kind of thought. I was like, oh,
is this dude supposed to be Jerry Jones because it
takes place in San Antonio.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
I mean one and so, yeah, he's murdered. He murders everybody,
and he walks off with planes flying by with red,
white and blue streaks behind them. I like how he kills.
I like how he kills Jerry Jones and then kicks
his head. Yeah, it just was funny to me. Yeah,

(01:42:03):
I was like a.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
Category because the mayain't won a Super Bowl since like
TVs would like c t R c R T TVs,
he have won a super Bowl on a flat screen television.

Speaker 6 (01:42:18):
First he said that that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
I mean it's not in corect.

Speaker 5 (01:42:23):
The last time the Cowboys won the Super Bowl, Bill
Clinton was president or maybe George or maybe George thirty
years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Things that last longer than the Confederacy, Am I right?
The Cowboys Super Bowl drought.

Speaker 5 (01:42:43):
So uh yeah, I hated this. I mean I just
strongly disliked it and was not a fan of it.
I preferred Oh can I read the alter endings that
are Wikipedia?

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, with the real quick the
uh the he kills everyone except the agent.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Uh, and the agent gets magically supernatural ship going on?

Speaker 6 (01:43:12):
Actually like what.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Yeah, he gets thrown on a pentagram while literally everyone
else is just standing there. And look, I get it, bro,
Like you're feeling yourself right, you walk off? Uh, you
know you got the you got the hammer on, and
you know you're walking around and and but like why

(01:43:36):
you bucket the why you bucket the drum?

Speaker 6 (01:43:38):
Major?

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Like what he do to you?

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
You just playing instrs bro?

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
Like leave him alone? Bro. Anyway, this movie was weird.
This movie.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
I don't even mind it being weird.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
I mind it not not having I don't know. May
I just didn't get it. I don't I don't think it.
I don't think it's that deep not to get like,
I just think, you know, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
It's just execution again, Like I think it's if you know,
you mentioned earlier this said if Jordan Peele had directed this,
it probably would have landed a bit better. I don't
even mind the concept of a of a weird, weird ending.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
It's just it.

Speaker 5 (01:44:26):
I think there was There was nothing really tying me
to the movie other than Isaiah giving us a lot,
I guess, and the fact that I like football, but
like if other than that, it was just like Okay,

(01:44:46):
I can see what they were trying to do, It's
just didn't it didn't land for me, like like I
hoped it would.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
A much better movie about about yeah, athletes and perfectionism
is black Swan.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
And I I you know, I would have loved I
would love a.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
Black Swan buff of football, you know something that I
give a ship about. Yeah, you're not a big ballet person,
not a huge ballet guy. But like Rudy, black Swan
is an excellent Rudy.

Speaker 6 (01:45:29):
Rudy is a good movie.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Uh, Radio Land, the Fruits and Nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
I don't know what to tell you. Rudy was wild. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:45:42):
What are the alternate endings?

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:45:45):
Oh yeah so for so Wikipedia has and also ending
Isaiah is real to be to have survived his beating
that but he watches on TVs. Camus shown to won
the Super Bowl for the Saviors with being in that
Cam actually signed the contract. Another ending reveals that Cam
joined another football team and managed to win the Super

(01:46:07):
Bowl with them. It seemingly did soak up the help
of any rituals or the outside the mono forces. The
film ends with Cam staring at a spinning football, hinting
that despite not selling and Soul, the unknown entities will
still follow Cam for the rest of his career and
possibly the rest of his life. I don't I didn't
want that. I actually wanted Cam to to sign the contract.
I wanted him to to to replace Isaiah. I wanted

(01:46:31):
I wanted this to be even if they had shown
signs of Cam resisting what was happening, which they really
if they they kind of really didn't. They kind of
even showed they more than to Cam accepting that kind
of lifestyle in order to be the greatest or be
one of the greatest. But if even if they had

(01:46:55):
shown him to kind of have some sort of resistance,
I would have loved for him to have to just
been like, I'm taking the contract anyway, because no one
is bigger than the game. That's what I would have wanted.
But we went through seeing him being like, Okay, this
is is weird too. I killed a guy in practice

(01:47:17):
using my brain injured head, to him parting it up
and then to him get into a fight with Isaiah
and then him murdering everyone else, and to me, I
was just like, why would he make that choice to
do any of that after we've just seen him kind
of seemingly accept the kind of world that he's going into.

(01:47:37):
But yeah, that's how I feel. And but that's not
the movie we got, so it is.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
I was I was really hoping this movie was going
to be super good. I was really really hoping it
would be. But I thought it was good but not
not not not amazing, not by any means. All Right,
any any last words before we get on here.

Speaker 5 (01:48:01):
Oh one thing, the actor Tyreek Withers probably not necessarily
related to this movie, but he did do a couple
of interviews about being a somewhat white passing black actor
and him embracing his his his black. He's He is like,

(01:48:22):
don't get it twisted. I am black and the black
black black. And I think that's pretty dope because he
looks like he's someone who doesn't have to lean into that.
But watching his interviews and interviews was pretty dope. So
I hope he was very successful. Yeah he could. His

(01:48:46):
name is Withers.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
I don't care how I don't care how curly and
long your hair is you black?

Speaker 5 (01:49:02):
Honestly, he could have he could have said, he could
have gone by Oh, my name is ty Withers or
Seawan Withers, and then we would have been like, oh, okay,
but he's He's like, no, my name is Tyluve Shawn
lu Sewans. But yeah, it's that. I feel like it
was Fretto. So I hope he kind of stays on
that path.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Yeah, and he played when he did that skip for
on Atlanta, he was sort of white, not white passing,
but he looked he looked white passing and and then
he like he got blacker and blacker over the course
of the episode. Has he had to deal with like
some real show.

Speaker 5 (01:49:40):
Also, I do love that that Netflix's or the account
strong black lead has said he is the child of
Olivia and Fitz from UH and Kerry Washington commented on it,
and look, all I'm saying is if he wanted to
bring scandal back, I would be I would watch that that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
I don't you have this life? I think, Well, dude,
as the.

Speaker 5 (01:50:06):
Son, you know, I think I think Tony Gold would
would do it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
I know he would.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
Yeah, I bet he would anything planning that he's playing
plan a racist and in that one movie, and and
and the Leonardo DiCaprio.

Speaker 5 (01:50:23):
Movie yeah, he's so he his racism wasn't even believable
to me.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
I'm like, okay, bro, we know, we just yeah, he
didn't earn it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
No me, we need to get the fuck earned me
the most the silliest line deliveries of all time. All Right,
we are for us. We'll be back with a previous
episode for episode to ninety next week.

Speaker 6 (01:50:54):
Letter. So yeah

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
Right, yeah, yeah yeah Bill, Bill,