Magazine Dreams (REVIEW): Mental Illness Meets Obsession | Ep281

This week on Black on Black Cinema, the crew returns to discuss the 2023 film, "Magazine Dreams" starring Jonathan Majors. The film follows a young man who is obsessed with becoming a top tier bodybuilder and is willing to push him body and his mental state to the brink to achieve his goals.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
I know, I kid lesson about the villain. Right now,
go find the last down before me change. Let's reputas
on it. You know.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello, welokme to a brand new episode of Black on
Black Cinema. I'm your host, Jay, I'm here with my
co host michaeh. Hey, all right, it's just the two
of us.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
This episode episode two eighty one, Magazine Dreams. Uh. This is,
of course, the twenty twenty three film. That's when it
was actually filmed. It was just just released psychological drama
written and directed by Elijah Bynham and starring Jonathan Major's
Harrison Page and Harriet Sansum Harris. The log line here

(00:53):
is an amateur bodybuilder battles both the limits of his
physical body and his own inner demons to gain recognition.
U look, I will just I'll just I'll start. I
thought this was very very good. I thought the writing
in the direction were very good. I thought Jonathan Major's
performance is excellent. This is a pretty good note. If

(01:18):
you're trying to make a comeback, this is how you
do it. I'm not saying that he's gonna we'll see
how Hollywood handles it and all that, but if you're
gonna try to attempt to come back. Yeah, this is
a pretty good way to start. Instead of doing like
a bunch of like bullshit movies, you actually end up
doing something that's actually pretty significant. And I thought this

(01:40):
was very good. I really enjoyed it. It's twisted, and
it it went to places I didn't think it would
from trailers and things like that. So yeah, I thought
it was a really good performance. I enjoyed it quite
a bit. I think it'll be a good conversation your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, I enjoyed the movie. You know, Jonathan Major's for
everything that has gone on with him, he very much
is a He is a very good actor. Sometimes he

(02:16):
can kind of creep into you know, sometimes he dips
his toe into overacting. But but for the most part,
I I cannot find a performance of his that I
did not think it was excellent. And this is no exception.

(02:41):
He does a very good job playing this character who
is very different from a lot of the other roles
that he's that he's done. You know, mark up a
good actor, right, like that's that's what you're supposed to do.

(03:02):
The film is lit and shot very very well. I
don't know who I don't know who the cinematographer is
on this, but I really enjoy it. I appreciate the lighting.
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the cinematographer is

(03:30):
Adam Arkapaul. It's very, very good. And this person knows
what they're doing when it comes to lighting brown skin, right.
And oh and yeah, oh he.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Did cinematography on the first season A True Detective.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay, well there you go. Yeah, I mean it's it's
really it's really well done.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh and Masters of the Air. Yeah, that also makes
sense because I cinematography on Oscar too. Anyway, this is
a this is.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
This is a study on not a study, but like
it's an interesting look at the life of someone who is,
you know, mentally unwell. And I think it is. I
think it does this in a, you know, a respectful manner,
you know normally when the the the the joke is that,

(04:33):
you know, if you want that Oscar, you gotta go
you know, full retard to quote a movie right like.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, no, you can't go, you can't go full you
gotta go.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
You can't go full retard, but you gotta go right
up to the.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Line, right, that's a quote relax.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
That's quoting a movie. I'm doing what white people do
when they want to say nigger. That's what they said.
That's what they said. Neighbor's embarrassed. I should take it
up with them. But I think it is. I think
it is, you know, from my neurotypical brain, I think

(05:13):
it is a respectful, uh and very good portrayal of
someone who is there's something there, right. I don't want
to label it because like there's something there. Yeah, I
just I really enjoyed it. You're right. This is what
you do when you want to make a comeback. This

(05:34):
is what you do when you want to try to
get people to remember hey, like I'm a serious like actor,
like I am a I am a person that should
be taken seriously in this game. Like I know I
had my my I was gone for a while. I'm back.
This is how you tell people you're back. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
What's his name? Did this?

Speaker 1 (05:59):
You know?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Not because yet controversies like Major's had, But Robert Pattinson
did this right after all this fucking bullshit as Twilight
movies and people are like, ah, this guy is like
a fucking joke, Like, who cares about this guy? And
guy was like, all right, cool, I'm gonna cut my
teeth on a bunch of hardcore indie films and people
are like, oh shit, this guy can really act. And
now he's taken seriously. You know, it's like that, this

(06:20):
is what you do. So yeah, no, go ahead make
your point of sir. No, I mean that's pretty much it.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Man. Like I enjoyed the movie. I can't think of
any like the ending. The ending wasn't what I thought
it was going to be, uh now at all. Actually,
I was actually pleasantly surprised by that. Yes, the ending
subvoted my expectation. Yeah, it's a great movie. Man. Like

(06:48):
you know, you say what you want about Jonathan Major's
and I'm sure we will. But when it comes to
this acting thing, you know, he's really good at it. Yeah,
he is just evaluating the not evaluating the man, but
evaluating his ability two you know.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
To act. It's a lie professionally, Yeah, no, it's it's
a it's a damn good performance. So the one thing
about this movie, before we get into sort of the
details of it, the one thing I will say about
this is I was not expect I thought it was like, Okay,
he's obsessed with this whle bodybuilding is not going to
really push himself. And I didn't expect him to be.

(07:34):
And they don't say directly, but I didn't expect this
is just as this is my sort of you know,
armchair quarterbacking diagnosis type of thing is I didn't expect
him to be kind of like schizophrenic, which is a
different angle, uh to this. Right, Like there's the obsessive
bodybuilder angle, which like I'm a pretty big into like

(07:58):
fitness person. I'm not a bodybuilder, but.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
You're you're him, You're you're a Chilean matics.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Without with a different type of mental illness. Right, But
so like there there are things that I recognize like
as sort of quote unquote truths in that sort of world.
And again I'm not in the bodybuilding world at all,
but it's but it is curious, right like it there

(08:27):
are things that they point out and I'm like, yeah,
that makes sense, yep, that these are things, these are
things that I know to be true. So the movie
does a really good job of not only handling the
sort of again this is just my diagnosi's like the
sort of schizophrenia or whatever sort of mental illness he has,
he has something, and you know, balancing that with the

(08:50):
general sort of obsessive behaviors that he has, right and
then the sort of very dark thoughts that he has.
So yeah, it's a yeah, it's a good. It's good.
I think it's damn good. And I think it's respectful
to like that industry and like the more extreme personalities
that end up in that industry, because that does fucking happen,

(09:11):
and the sort of the mental health issues too. Like,
I think it does a good balance without kind of
shitting on either one and being like everyone is like this, yeah,
whether whatever side you're on, I think it does a
good job.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Point. I thought this was really going to be like
a cautionary tale, right. I thought this was going to
be like hey, like like like a like this here's
here's a this is what happened to these right, Like
this is what happened to you know these, Like this
is the dark side of bodybuilding. Like I thought that's

(09:42):
what this was going to be, the rich piano story
right right now?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, No, it's I think it does a really good
job of being quite respectful to both sides. So all right,
let's let's get into the movie. So Jonathan Major's character's
name is Killian Maddox, which sounds like it sounds like
a character in the Extraction franchise. To me, Tyler, it

(10:11):
was a Tyler Rake or something.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Tyler.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, it kind of feels like that. But so we
see him practicing his posing is fucking way too early
into goddamn morning or really late at night. He's on
his garage and he's doing his bodybuilding posing, getting prepped
for shows and things like that. And then we see
we see him taking care of his his pat pap

(10:35):
or his grandfather who he lives with, and that his
grandfather was played by Harrison Page. Look, Micah doesn't know
anything about this, but you might recognize Harrison Page if
you're an action movie fan. He's the black dude from Lionheart,
the JCVD movie where he's like he's always like yelling

(10:56):
like lion Hart because he's just like betting on JCVD
in Street Fights, which was fucked up and weird, but yeah,
that's still him. And then we get a series of
moments of him eating like a lot, like a lot
of protein, Like I don't know what am I counting here?
Seven twelve a literal dozen of boiled eggs and steak,

(11:23):
and it looks like he's taking the yolks out of
the eggs or he's just eating extra egg yolks. So
that's that's a lot of meat. That's a lot. That's
a lot of protein, bro, you got it. And then
some sort of chicken as well.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Good god. Yeah. Yeah. At one point he's like, yeah,
I gotta eat over six thousand calories in a day.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, that's a lot of That's a lot of calories, bro,
Like that's a lot. Yeah, I eat half that, But
I guess I look half as good as Johnathan Matrix
does without his shirt on, So I guess it fucking
makes sense. So he he he's like he's in his
room and he he kind of has the mind of
a child in a lot of ways. Right, He's got

(12:05):
these all these half naked dudes all jacked and roided
up posters all over his h all over his room,
literally onto the ceiling where a normal guy in his
age would have, like the little Kim poster obviously. But yeah,
he's got a bunch of bodybuilders he looks up to
and and he's sitting in his room. He literally just

(12:28):
finished eating. Now he's having a protein shake. I'm like,
all right, we fucking got it. And so he's just
drinking his protein shake in his underwear watching pornography. Do
you find that curious at all?

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah? Very much. So I didn't know. Look, I'm gonna
be leaning on you. You are the fitness person, right, so
I'm gonna be leaning on you as you drink. As
you drink your protein shake.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, I'm not drinking your threa thousand galleries right now.
I gotta get it in, bro.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, I didn't know if that was Uh, is that
just to keep your testosterone up?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
No, No, he's he's take They showed him taking steroids,
so I'm sure he's taking testosterone, and I would guess
Trend as well, which is like the most toxic of steroids. Also,
it's incredibly effective, but it I mean, people inject Trend
and it's only authorized for cattle. Okay, I need people

(13:30):
to understand that, quite literally, that's what it's authorized for people.
But it does work. It makes you fucking crazy though.
It has fucking neurotoxic effects if you take it at
higher doses, which are not that high that people do.
It's fucking insane. But the pornography thing, and it happens

(13:50):
a number of times.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
The pornigory thing is because the amount of drugs he's on,
his libido is through the roof. This is a very
real thing in bodybuilding, right with whether you're taking tests,
if you're taking like a high amount, or if you're
taking trend, you're that is like one of the number
one side effects is that your libido goes fucking ballistic,

(14:12):
like unhealthy levels of crazy, right, and it can like
quite literally, this is gonna sound fucking weird, but it's true.
You can look this up quite literally, people on trend,
not everyone on trend, because everyone is different, but quite literally,
some people, when they do trend, especially at higher amounts,
it changes their sexuality while they're on it. That's how

(14:34):
that's how fucking insane your libido can become.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yes, quite literally, Yeah, wow.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Probably not do that. You should probably unless you want to,
which is fine, But yeah, there are there are there
are many stories of guys being like, uh so, anyone
then like, yeah, that's absolutely a thing.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, that's more on that later.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
That's a part of it, right, that's that's a part
of it. That's a part of it. I was like
the second the second that character showed up and he
said what he said to him when they were standing backstage.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
So you'm a biggest fan. Huh.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
I was like, I know where this is going, Like, honey, Incidentally,
that guy uh is is a real bodybuilder, Michael Hearn,
who goes by the nickname Michael Trend. So just because
he says that he's natural, she still says he's natural
as big as he is, and he's like fifty two
years old as big as he is. He's like, no,

(15:33):
I've never taken steroids. Okay, bro, you guys. Guys are
fucking natty hilarious. So, yeah, the the porn thing is
is because of the steroids. That's what it is. It's
just he's thinking so much that his libido is just unhealthy,
unhealthy high. So then we see him meeting with uh
his therapist, and she's talking about like she's she's basically

(15:59):
recapping things that he has done recently and has said
to her about hearing voices in his head, how he
threatened somebody and said I'll come down there and crush
your skull and drink your your brains, which is a
fucking insane thing. To say, but that also like he's

(16:21):
not mentally well. But also again, if he was taking
something like Trent at high doses like all the like
roid raide ship on that drug, they're very real, right,
like that can happen. What did they call it? Like, uh,
like liquid divorce. That's that's that's a that's a.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I'm telling you. Just just google like or do just
like search on Reddit like trend stories. They're fucking insane.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
They're insane.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, but tons of women are like, yeah, my
husband is doing trend and now he's becoming an asshole
and we're getting a divorce. It's like, yeah, people get arrested.
People get arrested, They fucking lose their house, they go
to jail, all sorts of shit. Yeah was it worth
it to get abs? It doesn't feel like it's worth it.
So yeah. He So he's living with his grandfather, he's

(17:11):
taking care of him, but he's he's clearly not well.
His movements is like staccato movements, and speech pattern is
very very good, by the way, like it's very convincing
of a person who is just not altogether. He then

(17:33):
gets obsessed with like talking about you know how long
they I have to drive to go to a good
grocery store. I got to drive six miles, you know,
basically like, hey, it's a food desert. But you know,
I gotta have these proper foods because, you know, because
I gotta eat.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I gotta eat.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Six thousand calories a day. So can't eat a bunch
of junk food because of course, because he is not
just a bodybuilder, but because he is sort of incredibly obsessive.
He doesn't have any cheat meals or anything. He's just like,
can't have any junk food. You gotta be one hundred percent.
You got to do everything. Like it's just he's in
this sort of psychosis.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
And then we see him do uh do steroids and
what looks at me a dirty box. So yeah, I'll
just leave all my my drugs that I injected in
myself in a dirty lunchbox.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
I don't know, man, don't do that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
So then he takes steroids, and then he goes into
the gym and he trains, I would argue he does
he does these uh, these these chin ups not that
great if I'm being a dick.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I mean he's gotta wait on them.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Also, man like you gotta you gotta ride the ecentric nigger, Like,
what are you doing? You're not even going all the
way down now, That dude's way more jack to me.
I'm just being a pedantic assle. Yeah, I mean he's
a crazy thing. But there's a moment while he's at
the gym that's interesting, Like he's he's eating, like he's
got like a like an intro workout meal, which at

(19:10):
that level that's probably common. But he goes over like
he sees these guys like lifting, and he goes to
walk over because he kind of wants to be like, hey, guys,
me too, right, Like, I'm also I also like this shit,
but he doesn't have the like the skills, and he
kind of turns around at the last minute because he

(19:32):
just he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Know how to interact with other people.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
So yeah, it's just kind of a sad moment.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Actually, yeah, this character is actually very very sympathetic, right, like, look,
I don't know, uh, Jim, you're the only Jim bro
I know. And because you started your gym odyssey late
in life, like after we were friends, Yeah, I learned

(20:00):
how to put up with your shenanigans. But if you
were uh some Jim Bro that I just met. I
don't know, man, they there's a there's a stereotype about
about people who like go to the gym a lot,
and it is, you know, stereotypes is just for a reason.

(20:23):
I'm not saying everybody, right Like, there are people out there,
like you know, Joey Swollen or whoever that fight these stereotypes.
But I don't. I don't know. I don't know, like
in this and this, But what I do know is
that the gym community, if it is welcoming it that

(20:45):
you are, it's like a fraternity in there, man, like yeah,
and they and they and they do tend to look
out for their own. So to see this character, you know,
kind of want them make friends but realize he can't.
It's kind of sad and and this character is an

(21:07):
incredibly sympathetic character. And stereotypically, a Jim Bro would not
be a sympathetic character, right like they would. People think
that People think that jim Bros are are what's that
that guy who plays that that character domb m No, No, no,

(21:29):
the the jim Bro. That's this guy?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh oh oh h the Domazeti character.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, yeah, people think that Bro science people think that
that's what that that's what the gym population is, right, right,
but you know it's not right. And to see this
character like just Abe Simpson, that ship of just kind

(21:59):
of go up and right back. Like I said, man,
like I really feel bad for this character. And I
wasn't really you know, I wasn't really expecting it while
I was watching the movie, right, but I became more
and more sympathetic to him, right, And it just is.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
In a way that like, like.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I am endeared, this character has endeared himself to me.
He's but he's like pathetic, and I wasn't expecting to
feel that, right, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
I'm trying to I'm trying to cueue up while you're talking.
I'm trying to cue up trend stories I find on
Reddit because some of them are larious. I will I
will pepper them throughout the episode because they're fucking wived.
So yeah, I mean, he he is a he is
a very sympathetic character. And you're right, like it that
whole idea of like the Jim bro thing is really

(23:03):
hard to make sympathetic. But because of his mental illness,
that's where that's that's the through line I like that
gets you there. If he was just some dude and
he was just like, yeah, I just like working out
and also I'm a bit obsessed, you'd be like or
like he became kind of crazy because of the drugs,
be like, well stop taking the drugs. You're fucking idiot,

(23:23):
Like what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Like right? And you know, obviously drug abuses is easier
said than done to kick, but you would have a
much harder time if he was if he was just if.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
He was CT Fletcher, you know what I mean, Like,
if he's CT Fletcher, Like, I know, everybody likes that
guy because he like curses a lot and he's really
loud and stuff like that. But it's a lot, yo,
Like I could like I could be friends with that dude.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
He could be friends with the Harlem Superman. I love
he's fucking ridiculous, but I like he is.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
But he's also a lot and I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I that's a little it's a little too much. I
if I imagined my personality change and I was CT
Fletcher tomorrow, but liked, you know, like, what the fuck,
what the fuck is your problem?

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yo?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Why are you doing? Barbell curls after you lit the
weights on fire? Why did you do that?

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I'm not I'm about saying I don't like that guy.
I'm saying being that guy's friend is probably a lot. Well,
he's only friends with people who are also a lot.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Like you can't exactly exactly that's wild. Incidentally, CT Fletcher, Yeah,
he's uh, he had like heart he had like a
major heart transplant or something like that, like a number
of years ago. Like he's he's not. He's not the crazy, jacked,
loud guys as much these days as a as a

(24:51):
surviving old man. I just watched his daughter bench three
hundred and fifteen pounds the other day. I was like,
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
What's going on in those genes? Also, I'm super curious
to see what CT Fletcher's daughter looks like.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
She looks like CT Fleer okay without a beer. I mean,
she's clearly on it, shit ton of gear. But yeah,
she's a powerlifter. She's fucking super strong. It's insane. So
so yeah, they he goes to the he goes to
his comp this local competition, after you know, watching porn

(25:25):
and probably jacking off a million times, and he goes
to this competition and yeah, there's both women and men there.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Look again, the movie is very respectful to like this
this world right, Like it doesn't because especially female bodybuilders
get really demonized as being masculine and all this other shit.
So it's it's kind of nice to just like this
is their world and there's no criticism of it. It's
just showing them, right, And there's some real like I

(25:55):
recognize only one person there as like as a pro.
I don't know any of these other dudes. But the
one black dude he's standing next to when he's on
stage at one point is uh, what's his name? Brion Ansley,
who is like a major like big tongue competitor, right,

(26:17):
and I think he's won a couple of mister Olympia Classics.
He's a dude with the afro. But what you notice
in this scene when he's having this, like when he's
doing the pose off and everything, one Jonathan Major's is
terrible at posing Okay, like not very good at it,
Like he's just not And I don't know if it's
a character choice.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm willing to bet that that's a
character thing, right, because he is he's he's also he's
also being very extra.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
This is the overreach into potentially overacting, right right.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
But I think, but I think that is what this character.
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt
that this is this character's idea. He's trying too hard,
and that's the problem with obsessives, right, they try just
a little too hard. And and also he is not

(27:11):
socially this character is not you know, socially experienced, right
like he So I'm willing to give this a I'm
willing to give this the benefit of the doubt that
this is what this character is doing. And it's just
it's incredibly noticeable, right like.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Okay, because everyone else is like very smooth, right, like
the very like arnold way of posing, and he's just like.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Right right, he's doing.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
What I can only describe and this is for old
people as the dance from sprockets on SNL Like, it's
just like it's very weird.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Man.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
But the other thing you noticed, by the way, and
this is just this is just a thing that maybe
other people don't know. I know is because he's on
stage as an actor against real bodybuilders, you realize how
small Jonathan Major is compared to them, Like it's really cool.
Like it's the difference between a nigga who works out

(28:14):
and a dude who does the ship on a semi
professional level. Right, Yeah, it's it's wild, like when they
have when they're doing there, I guess this is a
double bicep or something like that. Like the dude next
to him, Breon Ansley again as a mister Olympia winner,
former winner, he's so much wider than him. Like, yeah,
it's just it is curious and like it kind of plays.

(28:36):
It's not I'm sure it's not necessarily on purpose, but
it plays to the movie of like even though this
guy is deeply obsessed with becoming mister Olympia and becoming
a bodybuilder, he doesn't have what it takes.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
He's kind of out of his depth. He's out of
his and and it's it's it's wild because like you, yeah,
you're right.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Like by normal standards, he looks incredible compared.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
To huge by normal standards, Right, I'm like like.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Like, what the fuck? I don't nobody I know looks
like that, Right, But when you put him all on
stage with these guys, you're like, oh, like are you
sure he's supposed to be there, Like it's just it's
just funny, Like it's just it's a thing I noticed
the second the second they were started posing. I was like, yeah,
it's a big difference. Like that's when people are like, oh,
i'll work out, I can go up there. No you
couldn't know, you couldn't No, you would look silly. But yeah,

(29:32):
it's just it is an interesting thing that that kind
of works out well. And and that may be the
reason they picked other like professional bodybuilders to really show
the difference.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
I I.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
You know, you'd have to ask the director of that,
but it becomes very painfully obvious to me, Like, yeah,
like you said, he's out of his depth.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
And in this scene, you know when they're rotating and
the judges want like certain people to get you know,
be in the center so they're easier to see. You
could see the look on his face like he kind
of he kind of realizes it but doesn't want to
admit it to himself, right because you know he's being

(30:10):
pushed further and further to the edges. Yeah, this is
this is a really this guy is a really good actor. Man, Like,
please don't fuck up.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Your career again all your life, bro, like just.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Because we yeah this is and and also like you know,
stop calling yourself like Martin Luther King right, Like you
are not that important, right, Like you're not important at all.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Like I think I think.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
You deserve to be here, right, you deserve a seat
at the table of Hollywood. Right. But like you know,
acting it's one thing. It's one thing. It's one thing
to be confident in your abilities. It's another to equate
what you would doing to a civil rights leader. You
know what I'm saying, Like like like chill bro seems

(31:08):
a bit odd if you ask, but yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah. That that scene I just thought I found that
to be kind of fascinating. It was like, wow, he
is he's a he's a lettle smaller. Here you go.
Let me sprinkle in a trend story quote. My sex
drive on trend is fucking insane. It's fun, but it
also gets annoying if I can't have sex or try
to release the urge. I do have a girlfriend and

(31:34):
we have a lot of sex, but I'm ready to
go again like five minutes after we finish. There's really
no satisfying the drive. I hear. That's pretty common. Anybody
got any advice other than don't do tread And everyone's
like the first response, get three girlfriends. Yeah, so oh man,
don't do that direct please. I love a cup again.

(31:56):
They give it to cattle. So he's at the grocery
store that is six miles away from his house. Uh,
and he sees this, uh, this woman who was a
cashier there and and actually before he sees her, he
he like, he goes up to the like to the
the the butcher part or the deli in the back

(32:17):
of the store, and this woman is standing there and
she sees him, and she's like, she moves her purse
to the other side, and she's kind of creeped out
by him. It's kind of funny because I assume that
this is a race issue because there's nothing that he
actually does that's even weird, right, Like, there are plenty

(32:38):
of reasons to be weirded out by this guy. More
on that later when he goes on a date. But
like he he quite literally didn't do anything. He doesn't
look physically intimidating. He's wearing kind of baggy clothes, like
there's nothing and it's and it's just this white woman
being like like I like, outside of again the race issue,
which is a perfectly fine thing to address. I didn't

(32:58):
really I didn't really get that being particularly meaningful. I
didn't know if you had thoughts of it.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
It reminded me of my experience that happening. I was
in the gallery going uh to my car, and I
was in an elevator and this woman was in, this
old white woman, this old white woman was in the
not old, but like older than me. She was. She
was in the elevator. And you know, I give white

(33:29):
women a wide fucking berth for many reasons, one of
which is they just kind of get on my nerves.
I don't want to talk to you. I don't want
to small talk, I don't want to just we just
let's just go our separate ways as fast as we
possibly get right. And she's going down, I get in,
I hit my floor, and she moves her purse like

(33:54):
I'm gonna do something in the fucking elevator, right like what?
And I'm getting off. I'm getting off after you, like
all right, all right? And it just made me mad,
And that's what it reminded me of.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
All right, fair enough, I've never I've never had the uh.
I've never had the purse shift thing, not that I
can remember, but it's like it's very silly, you think
just by moving your person on the other side, I
won't grab it. I couldn't get it if I wanted it,
Like like it's such a bizarre thing like that. That

(34:30):
like I'm gonna try to keep that in the back
of my head, like if that ever happens to me,
like I could just take it from the other side,
like just say that, get off the element, Like if
I wanted, I could just take it for me, like
there's nothing get out of here. Ah yeah, good dummy,
Like the fuck is wrong with you? But yeah, he

(34:50):
didn't actually do anything, so I just assume it it
it had to do with like the big, big black
due kind of thing. But again, like if he was
wearing like a tank top, like it would have like
it would have come across as a little bit more logical.
Not that that not that the behavior is logical, but
you know, like her insane racism. Would you know, golf

(35:10):
shirt button up to his fucking throat in a jacket?

Speaker 1 (35:14):
You know. Microaggressions are microaggressions are everywhere, you know what
I mean? And Uh, I just took it as a microaggression,
something that something that you know, would be in a
movie directed by a black person, whereas this was directed
by a white person, they probably wouldn't even think about it, right,

(35:35):
They wouldn't even consider it, right.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, I mean yeah, there's there's definitely the moment where
someone calls him an ape, so like in case, in case,
you need to dispelled all the way out for you,
it's like, you got it. Yeah. The lady leaves and
he's like, oh, I'm sorry, right, which is sad that
you're apologizing for someone else's bigotry. We didn't do anything.

(35:59):
And then he sees the order four pounds of chicken breasts, okay,
because he eats a lot. So he sees he sees
this girl at the register or she works there, and
he and he he says, hey, I you know I
work here. I work here too, did you know that?
And and she's like, yeah, like you work you know, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, right,

(36:20):
Like that's why we don't we ever see each other.
That's probably work together. He's like, yeah, good, memory great.
And he's super fucking odd or awkward rather and he's
also odd, but like she likes him. She's really bad
at picking up weird vibes, apparently, because I would I

(36:42):
would have picked that ship up nine hundred miles away,
be like that's cool, bro, all right, I gotta get
the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Right, maybe she thought it was charming, right like, but
maybe that maybe that was his huge moment for her,
right right? What what? What? What? What? What? What would
you uh uh maybe consider uh uh maybe I'm knowing

(37:12):
uh uh like.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Nah no, this isn't not this isn't nodding hill my man,
Like this dude is he's insane, watches porn and drinks
protein shakes. Okay, Like this is not a normal individual.
So so yeah, they had they had their terrible meat cute. Okay,
it's it's.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
The most awkward meet cute to it leading to the
most awkward date. Like I gots I had secondhand embarrassment.
Uh during that date scene, Oh no.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I was like this, why is this taking so long?
I just wanted to hit Like So he makes it.
He makes it out of the grocery store. He's he's
about halfway to his car and he just stops it,
goes back in and he's like sorry, sorry, to do
this while everyone is present and can see everything that's happening,

(38:05):
Like I'm talking like him, okay, this is very weird.
And he's like, would you ever think about perhaps going
out with me as a person who also is employed
at this business? And she's like, oh okay, sure, Like
all right, he's like all right, cool or no. She
doesn't say anything, and he's like, oh no, you don't

(38:27):
want to. I was kidding anyway, Okay, bye, and he
just turns it around. Its fucking leaves and then later
on they she calls him, but we'll get to there.
So back at home, this guy is just like refusing
to not be in his tidy whities, and he starts

(38:48):
doing some camera work and trying to film something for
for YouTube. I guess he's watching Dorian Yates when mister Olympia.
So he's like he's hyped up and he's trying to
do these videos. He's trying to become a future IFBB pro,
which is a federation of bodybuilding and and so he's

(39:09):
trying to do these videos and he's trying to do
these posing poses and everything else. He just looks weird
and and awkward, and he's kind of freaking out a
little bit, and he just doesn't he just can't get
it together right, like he's again it's the obsession meeting
the mental illness. Like those two, those two worlds collide

(39:32):
in some pretty serious ways.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Do you think that this is commenting on influencer culture?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, I think that's part of that.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Go for it. What do you mean, because it just,
you know, influencers are you know, the the occupation du jour, right,
Like everybody, all the young people want to be an
influencer because they think that like influencers don't really work
or doing anything, Whereas you know, the ones who are

(40:03):
really good at it have teams behind them, right, Like
you just don't know it, and a lot of people
can't do it. It's like it's like the big It's
like the podcast craze right where every where any dummy
and a basement thought that they can just you know,

(40:26):
do this shit for over a decade, but you know,
only a few. But the ones who are the ones
that everybody knows about have giant teams behind them.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah they're not just they're not just turning on them
like in an.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Office like right right, And it just I don't know,
I don't know if the movie is trying to say something.
If it if it is trying to say something about
influencer culture, I don't really think it kind of lands
they do. They briefly have him read comments. I guess

(41:02):
he ended up making the video and they briefly had
him make and yeah, put it on YouTube, and I
guess he you know, they had him read comments and
you know that never goes well, no, and it just
is there. I guess to show this man like how

(41:24):
this is just kind of another thing that to get
him focused, right, because we never see him do it again,
and this is just kind of another failure and this
guy is determined, right, So it's I guess it's just
more fuel for the fire. But I don't know. I

(41:45):
would have I would have thought that, I would have
thought that a little more. This this all is adding
to more to the whole, to my preconceived notion of
how this movie was going to end. Right, This movie
is going to end one of like two ways, all

(42:05):
involving right like right, So yeah, yeah, I don't think
I had a point. I'm just talking to be talking
at this point, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
So look, I think there there is a notion of
somewhat of the influencer culture in this scene. But I
but I think it has more to do with sort
of the social media aspects of it, right, Like not
so much him tried to become an influencer or even
commenting on said influencers, but just he's such a very

(42:38):
lonely guy, right, he has.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
No one right, right except for.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
His grandfather, and that he thinks that maybe he can
become popular and gain quote unquote friends by in this
world by going to social media, right like that and
that makes sense, right, There are plenty of I mean,
bodybuilding is one thing, but all the social media aspects
of bodybuilding are huge. Like that's how you make money,

(43:04):
that's how you get you know, fans and all this
other shit. Like that's a very big thing. Whether you're
just doing videos answering questions or showing your training and
somebody that yeah, like or just giving advice or what
have you, that's a big part of it.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
So and a lot of a lot of what this
a lot of with this character. This character has said
on multiple occasions that he wants to be remembered. Right,
He's googling, like, you know, how will people remember you?
Or some shit or how to make friends right like
he is he is because he because this guy at

(43:38):
the end of the day, he just wants somebody to
you know, relate to him, to acknowledge his existence, to
not to see him for what he is, working so
hard to see him for what he thinks he is, right,
and you know, it just kind of leads to the
tragedy that is this character.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
To me, yeah, no, I think that's absolutely right. But
he's like he's obsessed with He's obsessed he was told
that his deltoids weren't very big, and so like he's
obsessed with like working that out. He's like like that.
It's it's like a recurring theme in the movie. He
just cannot let go of these imperfections that he thinks

(44:22):
that he has or that other people think that he has.
I mean, that's a real thing in that world.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Again, it's not everybody, but people have like big orexia, right,
Like they don't think they're big enough, and it's like
you're fucking as big as a house, right or you know,
on the other side, there's people who like can't don't
think they're you know, lean enough, and it's like you
have no body fat like, what the fuck are you
talking about? Right, So there's a lot, there's a lot
to be said about he's literally I mean, he he

(44:53):
falls down because he's having like chess palpitations or something
because of the drugs. And he doesn't strike me as
a person who was using a low dose to get
what he needs. Is he looks like a guy who's
like just go all in all the time about everything
because he's not mentally there. And so he then eventually

(45:17):
puts whatever version of this video hopefully he edited some
of it down. He put that on he put that
on YouTube, and people are like, yeah, you should kill yourself,
like all jokes aside, why isn't he killed himself yet?
And just like really horrendous shit. And this is to
your point of like, I thought that this movie was

(45:39):
going to end in that, like it's either you know,
suicide or suicide by cop type of shit. But I
thought that's where it was going, which.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I was especially given the characters. You know, well, like
like the character's father committed a murder of suicide, right right,
but is it very important fact? Yeah, So again, just
just a pretty tragic character all the way around. We

(46:14):
see him on the phone talking to local painters and
he's like, hey, you know my uh my, my Paul
Paul h called you guys to uh to to paint
a house and you only did one coat, and you know,

(46:35):
you gotta come back. And he gets into an argument
because the guy is like, nah, we did the job.
If you want us to come back, you gotta pay us.
And and he's like, if you don't come back, I'm
gonna I'm gonna rip open your skull and drink your
blains right, go to right is his signature line. It's

(47:03):
his dad, I do that right, open your skull and
drink your brains right, Like that's his line, right, And uh,
you know, the guy on the phone is like, oh,
fuck yourself, and and and killing is like I would
I will control my emotions. My emotions will not control me.

(47:23):
Smash cut heavy metal music fucking over there, and and
he wrecks uh and he wrecks the paint shot. Yo.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
He just he fucking punches through the glass and then
just starts like throwing himself through it to break the
other glass.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
I was like that.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Again, that is his mental illness, but also hyper aggression
because of drugs. Like having mental illness and doing it
an insane amount of steroids. Not a good mix, guys,
not a good mix. You should probably be to.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Either one or the other. That's the healthy option.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah, well they say don't don't take those drugs and
then wreck drugs at the same time. Not a good option.
Not being mentally sound also not a good option. There's
a guy. There's a guy I follow Finish dude, and
he he does large amounts of drugs when he's competing,
and he was just talking about like it's like, I've
never been in a fight. I've never like I'm not

(48:32):
a yeller or screamer or whatever he goes. But when
I'm on high levels of drugs, he's like before a
competition he goes. I like, he's like the violent thoughts
I have in my head. He's like, you don't find
anything happy, Like he's just miserable. He's like, I walk
out of the back of my house. I live like
near this like lovely forest, and all I can think
is like, like he doesn't like anything because all of

(48:55):
that shit fucks with your like it fucks with your
brain does.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
So let me ask you a question.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Why would you do that? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I don't know if you know the answer, but you
are more into this world than I am. You know,
if the International Federation of Bodybuilders, is it a sport, like,
is it like an organized like why are steroids allowed

(49:26):
when every other sport? Do? You know? Outwardly says no.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Okay, so and this is probably a good demetrious question
because he actually does bodybuilding, so like, yeah, he would
know like the definitive thing on this. But I'm pretty
sure it's not that drugs are allowed in the IFPB,
they just don't test. It's a non testing league, right.
There are tested leagues, right, and people find their ways

(49:55):
around that shit too, but they're far more like there
are bodybuilding leagues, like natural bodybuilding leagues that do sort
of extensive testing. I'm sure that that gets some people's
side step it or whatever, but but that's far less.
That happens far less. But if BB, no, they don't test, they.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Don't give a shit, Like isn't that the isn't that
the NFL of bodybuilding? Like isn't that the the league?
That is the league?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, here's the thing quite as it's kept, right, and
I don't think it's not quite anymore these days because
people are pretty public about it. Anybody that you see
that is an if BB pro is on drugs all
of because you you quite literally cannot compete at those
levels against other drug users, and not beyond drugs, you

(50:48):
can't all of those.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Instead of so instead of weeding out the drug users.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
That's everyone. That's everyone, because okay, think about it this way.
You have Let's say you had two baseball leagues. You
had one league that like didn't do testing and one
that did, like really extensive testing. If the league that
doesn't do the testing has Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire

(51:15):
cranking home run like four hundred home runs a year,
and the other league the top home run you know
leaders are like twenty five or fifty a year. Which
ones get more views? Right like, and so they go,
all right, I'm not saying it's legal to do these things.
I'm saying we're not gonna test because we have other

(51:36):
things to do, right, Or we test a lot less,
or we let you know when we're testing, so you
can like get off your drugs for a while and
then get back on them and shit like that. Yeah,
that's all.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
It's just money.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
It's just money.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
I get I get the analogy. I don't think it's
a good one. I'm just going to think of the
reality of things. Yeah, I get it. I think a
better analogy might be, you know, if we have this
professional wrestling organization that you know.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah they test it's weird, okay, like.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Sure, sure, the officially right, they test for other drugs, right,
weed or whatever whatever? Right, whatever drugs. But I think
because I don't know, there's something because because the the
big four sports leagues have you know, they kind of

(52:31):
they kind of brand themselves as like you know, it's
it's difficult to imagine the MLB the one they're being
a competitor for MLB, right, and two you know, MLB
is just like I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
It doesn't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
It just doesn't make sense. It just doesn't make sense
to me that like the IFBB is the league or
professional bodybuilders and they just do not they and they
just don't care, like it's just it's just funny to me.
It's just it's just funny to me.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
So, I mean, I don't remember what year testosterone came out, right,
that's like the first one, right, the first you know,
exogynous drug but like once that happened, that Genie was
out the bottle dog like like it was fucking over
with like because they just want people to be bigger
and bigger and bigger. Like if you look over the
like over the course of bodybuilding, like bodies just changed,

(53:31):
like as the drugs and ship change, they just changed.
Like they don't look like that. They don't look like
Arnold Arnold Swartz and Nago looks small compared to Ronnie Coleman.
He's fucking gigantic or was right, like this is drugs
and then they started taking like insulin and all that
other shit like and growth hormone and shit like they
just want the bigger and bigger person until it's just

(53:52):
like one big muscle and eyes and then they just
like flex. They're like like that's it. Like I don't know,
I mean there there certainly is there's a wave in
that industry of like, uh, what do they refer to
it as like the lowest effective dose kind of guys right,
like these are like super jack fucking these guys do

(54:15):
the drugs, but they're trying to do what is the lowest,
safest amount, right and instead of just blasting your fucking
body to the fucking moon and then dying at twenty nine, right,
Because that's a real thing, right, because there's a there's
a lot of young bodybuilders with died over the.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Last couple of years. That's what I'm saying, man, And
like I'll look at like Josh Brett videos and he'll
he'll do like semi deep dives on certain bodybuilders or
trends and stuff like that that that end up killing
these people. And like, yeah, I don't I would think
that there would be that the IFBB would be the

(54:50):
regulatory body one to protect the participants. Right. And look,
you want to do drugs or whatever, that's fine. I'm
not here to pass judgment on you. Yeah, but but
you know, to to go against someone to compete against
someone who is and maybe maybe maybe they do it

(55:14):
because it's not like a skill based thing, right, Like
you're literally just kind of you're you're literally just kind
of if if we're having a clay sculpture competition, who
can create the best clay sculpture, right, But if you're
using some high quality quality clay and I'm stuck with Plato,

(55:39):
like it's I mean, it's it just doesn't seem it
doesn't seem like we're on equal footing. Yeah, that's why everybody,
That's why everyone uses That's why everybody does it right,
instead of instead of telling people, you know, instead of
telling people, hey, you all have to use.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Plato, right, but go to a different league, go to
a different league. Like you can go to a different league.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Hein no money in that league.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
But you can go to the Yeah, And that's what
I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Man, Like we're talking in circles at this point. But
I and I get it.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
I do, I get it.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
It just seems odd to me, that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I mean, like just like Dallas, Dallas McCarver. Uh he died.
He was a bodybuilder. He was twenty six, twenty six,
I mean, he wasn't even crazy. That's crazy, man, that's
fucking crazy. I Mean he his like his heart was enlarged, right,

(56:34):
like like his heart was in large. He had like,
uh see, McCarver had enlarged liver and kidney, severe kidney damage,
scarring on his lungs. Uh, you know, peppillary thyroid cancer,
all the shit.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Because he was taking an insane amount of drugs.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
So Yeah, it's not good, man, it's not good. So
it's just it's just one of those things where, look,
I think you should be able to do whatever the
fuck you want. I don't care, Like if that harms you,
that's on you, right, Like I'm not I'm not a
person to be like, you shouldn't do it. That being said,
I don't think there should be like leagues encouraging it.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I think that's probably not you know, even if you
don't come out, that's what I'm saying, Even if you
don't come out and be like here, use this right like,
but like if you're just gonna turn a blind eye
to it, like, I don't know, it just seems kind
of foul. Yeah. Look after that, after that attack at
the after the the when you know, killing goes and

(57:41):
rects the shop. Uh, he kind of fucks himself up
and then he's bleeding all over the place and he uh,
and he goes to and he gets into a car
accident and he wakes up in a hospital bed and
a doctor's like, yo, you're taking a lot of drugs

(58:02):
and these drugs are powerful and toxic and your body
is shutting down and we need to do this and
he's like, nope, because that would give me a scar,
and professional bodybuilders can't have scars. Yeah, it feels like
a mistake. Yeah, And then he sneaks out and uh.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
By the way, they say he has non cancerous lesions
on his liver.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I believe he says yeah on his liver, which is.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Part of the reason that he's like falling down and
also probably having issues with his heart because one of
the things that happens when you take an extense, when
you're taking all of these drugs, your.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Heart and larger.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
And a lot of people go, oh, that's cool. Yeah,
like a bigger heart and you pump more blood. That's
not how that works. Like, no, like it actually makes
it harder to pump blood through your your heart when
you are taking extensive amounts of drugs like this for
long periods of time.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, your heart is, your heart is bigger, but like
your veins aren't. Bro like you got it's.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Like the like what is it, like the left ventricle
or something like that. If that enlarges that that shuts
down a considerable amount of blood flow to your heart.
That's like one of the major one of the major
ways people who do excessive amount of steroids.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
That's how they die. So among many.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Now the wild thing is like, if you do these
things and you take these drugs and you don't go crazy,
there are plenty of people who have done them, had
a career, stop doing them and live long, normal lives.
Like that's the wild shit is everyone thinks if you
do them, you will die. No, when you do shit

(59:49):
like this and you don't take care of yourself and
you just go crazy, then you will die like Dallas
McCarver at twenty seven years old. Yeah, but there's plenty
of people. Fucking Dorian Yates, one of the mo famous bodybuilders.
He was doing a bunch of drugs and guess what
you see videos him and now it looks like the
most normal, fucking like I don't know, doing his sixties, Like, well,
you know this is what I did. Don't recommend it
unless you're competing, but you know, you know, just be careful.

(01:00:12):
Like he doesn't have any fucking health issues, he's fine.
But when you do shit like this and you're like, hey, uh,
you have legions on your liver, He's like, I don't
worry about it. Not a great idea, Not a great
idea and this is why.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
So we we get to, uh, we get to a
scene of killing, you know, talking to his grandfather and
his grandfather's you know, he's very old schools like life
ain't fait boy, and you you know, life and go
get you nothing and and you you know, you got

(01:00:46):
to work for everything and and life is work and
work is life and don't have fun at all? Right,
yeah fuck that, and yeah, I thanks, like, yeah, thanks, Paul, Paul.
I understand the mentality that an older person has. But

(01:01:09):
you did that, so I don't have to like you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
You that mail bag.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
You you you got, you got your ass beat by cops,
so I don't have to, right. But you know, allegedly, supposedly,
theoretically you you went through the civil you got you
got beaten on at countertops, so I didn't, so I

(01:01:37):
won't have to go through all that. Now that's not
to say that like, you know, don't do any work right.
You still need to work hard. But at the same time,
work life balance is a thing. Anyway, enough of my
obvious projection. There's uh, they get a call. He gets

(01:01:58):
a call from Jesse, the cashier at the grocery store,
and she's like, yeah, I've never been with a black
guy before. I want to see what that bb BBC
bully is is like. Right, So she's like, yeah, let's
go on a date to fucking cracker Barrel or wherever
the hell we are and uh and he's like yes, right,

(01:02:24):
and he goes and he's changing his clothes and don't
sound excited. I am excited. This is what I sound like,
But I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
I am smiling, like, yeah, like, girl, hang out the
phone and leave town.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
And and you know, they have a date at the
at the Cracker Barrel and the back this is the moment.
I mean, the restaurant has we're paneling on it, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
They're but they're known for their char broiled state, so
you know they're probably.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I really appreciate you guys going to the Cracker Barrel
during while y'all went in Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
You have to see the sights.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I think that really tested Terrence's friendship with me. He
walked into a cracker barrel for me. Yeah, they have
a date, and this date is the most awkward ship
I have seen in a very very very long time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, he tried.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
You know, she's like she's like I told my dad
about you and our date, and and you know, she's like, oh,
I'm so embarrassed. I'm so embarrassed. And he's like, no,
I don't be embarrassed. I told my dad too. I'm
just kidding. He's dead. He's like, uh huh. He's like, yeah,

(01:04:04):
he's dead. He died a long time ago. He killed
my mother and then he killed himself. Yeah, I'll show
them what the fuck like, I gotta get the fuck
out of here. Yeah, yeah, I got a Homer Simpson,
this ship man. And then she's like then they're like, oh,

(01:04:25):
I'm so sorry about that. The way that the server
comes up and the server's like, hey, what are you
what are you buying? And he's like, I'm trying to
I'm trying to see if I can get this whole order,
because this order is crazy. This order is I would
imagine that you, you know, on your fitness journey. This

(01:04:48):
is like this is like a this is like breakfast
for you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
If I had all of this food, I would be
mad at myself, Like Nikole, what is going on?

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
He said, I'll do the six out sirloin medium rare
with no fries. And she's like okay, and I'll also
do the chicken tender salad, charred broiled. Uh. Asked the
cookers in the back. He knows exactly how I like it, okay,
And does the glaze on the salmon contained sugar? Umm? Yeah,

(01:05:19):
I can never remember, you know what. Don't worry about it.
I'm pretty sure it does. Let's tae. I'll take the salmon,
hold the glaze. Uh. And she's like, all right, is
that enough? You know what? Let's trade out the steaks.
I'll do the Porterhouse twenty ounce still medium rare uh
twenty ounce Porter.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Twenty ounces thick.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Light two to uh two potatoes, a little bit of bacon.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
And then I think he orders like a side of
on of like unseasoned chicken breast.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah yeah yeah, and a diet coat.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Like what the fuck is going on? Yo?

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Like is this what you eat? This is not what
I eat? That is fucking insane. So like a twenty
I just google it. A twenty ounce Portahouse steak is
one hundred and forty grams of protein. That's like all
the protein I have.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
And you're good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
That's fun. Fuck shout out to him. I guess that's
what I'll have to eat like it's just that, and
there's like then I'll have like a yogurt and I'm good,
Like that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Oh shit, I have to I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
All right, brod lord, I'm struggling to eat enough to
be honest. But at least he's having a diet coke.
He doesn't want to have too many dollars. Yeah, and
she's finally realizing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Like, ohgas, you know there's something something with this guy. Man,
something with this guy, like I'll just have I'll just
have the salad. And he apologizes for being you know, awkward, right,
and she's like, oh yeah, don't worry about it. So, uh,
you know you like music. It's like I like bodybuilding.

(01:07:20):
I'm gonna be the best bodybuilding you ever realized, Like
this speech about like how he is just like I'm
gonna be I'm gonna people are gonna know my name.
I'm gonna be the best bodybuilding in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
You don't know who.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
You don't know who Brad vander Horn is, bitch, you
need to get out more because everybody knows I have
BB Pro champion, mister Olympia Brad vander Horn, right, like
huh what.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Like he Basically his speech was like cause she yeah, yeah,
she asked him like, oh you like music or whatever,
and he just like he just looks off camera, right,
it like goes into this this soliloquy of madness. He
basically was just like reading the lyrics to the opening
of Pokemon, like I'm gonna be the very best that

(01:08:13):
no one ever was, like, like it's so fucking weird.
I'm gonna be mister Olympia one day. Well, anything stopped
me from accomplishing my goal. I've been training for this
competition every moment of my entire life. Out Ki Grand
Prix Dayton, Ohio. Judge told me I had small deltoids,
said they needed work. So what did I do? I

(01:08:35):
worked day and night until they were perfect. No sport
on Earth requires as much time, energy, and commitment twenty
four hours a day. There's no days off, there's no
missing meals, there's no missing sleep, there's no missing workouts.
You can't do it ninety percent or even ninety nine percent.
Take it from me. If you're not one hundred percent,
you will never be successful. You got to burn the
boats in the bridges and commit all energy and focus

(01:08:56):
to being the greatest bodybuilder on the entire planet. The
body is not the body is not used to the
ninth or tenth or even eleventh or twelfth rep No,
you've got to go through the pain, Berrier and just
go on and on fucking crazy. And it's these last two,
three or four repetitions that's where the muscle. That's what
makes the muscle grow. That's what separates one from being

(01:09:16):
a champion and not being one. This is what most people.
I can't even keep up with the fucking insanity of
what he's talking about. He's not wrong, though, Like that
is that is actually true?

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Like it is the last So you go, that's that's
your mentality you got. I'm amazed that you are married
with children. To be quite frankly, i am.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
I am going to record this and I'm gonna I'm
gonna put this. I'm gonna under bed this with screaming
heavy metal music of him reading this speech.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
It's not Yeah, that's what you should be listening to
as you are working out right, Like this speech. Yeah,
put thet put the put the ether beat underneath that
jump into trenches, face the enemy is the most important

(01:10:05):
thing I will ever do, all right, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Like hey, David Goggins, Calm the fuck down. Who's going
to carry the boats? What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Bro? You're just happy to do this. Well, if no
one will remember you when you're dead, like Jesus Christ, Bro,
they probably won't remember you when you went for a
couple of again, a lot of death foreshadowing in this movie.
They do really line it up well to uh get
you to believe it. And she's yeah, she's finally like,

(01:10:43):
I gotta I got, I got, I gotta use a bathroom, bro,
And and then she rolled out, and uh, I mean
she did give him the courtesy of telling the servers
to come and tell him, you know, oh I had
a family emergency. But yo, and look them servers came

(01:11:05):
like in a payer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
They look right, they look skin and back me up. Yeah,
they were like, look hold my hand, we need a
buddy system. Like look, I don't blame him.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
He's crazy. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
You know, it's funny. There is a there's a restaurant
near my house that like my wife and I go
to on occasion. And she said, in the bathroom, they
have a thing. They have something like they have a
number or something like that, or like a phrase they
have in the women's bathroom, like if you are in danger,
like if you're with somebody like this, like you just

(01:11:42):
like you you say the phrase or whatever, like when
you're sitting at the table with them, and they will
figure out a way to like like get you out
of there, get you out of there. That it's kind
of I was like, wow, I've never heard of that,
but yeah, because women end up on dates with people like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
This, with people who you know, with ill intent or
you know. I don't think he has ill intent. I
just think he is, you know, he's just not he's
just not altogether there. Which again, and you know, he
even kind of he even kind of immediately I don't

(01:12:22):
he immediately kind of denies it, right. I don't know
if it's self delusion. I don't know if it's him
saving face.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
But he's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's
more face.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
But yeah, she's oh yeah, she said she yeah, she
told me. I just forgot but she told me. And
and then he proceeds to eat everything on the outback
stickhouse menu.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
He proceeds to have his own muck bang Backwoods in,
which is fucking disgusting. I don't like overeating Like that's it.
That's the thing. Like I'm trying to like put on
some weight, and I'm like, I don't enjoy it, Like
I don't enjoy it. I don't. I don't like it.
I don't like eating like that, Like I'd rather be

(01:13:13):
small and shredded than trying to just gain more size.
I'm like, I don't. I don't want to eat a
plate of it, a deep fried shrimp or whatever the fuck.
I don't want.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Onion rings like ye. So he's you know, throughout the
movie he's been the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Way he's he's binging and purging, by the way after
he eats, he goes and makes hmself yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
God, he's Uh. He's also throughout the movie he's been
doing a stand right and uh and sending letters to
Brad vander Horn or whatever his name is, and just
to just to just to show that he is quite

(01:13:56):
obsessed with with bread vander Horn, and you know to
the point where he's like he's like like that song,
He's like, yo, you ignore my letters, Yo, Like like
what are we doing? Like, don't make me find you know,
Jesse and put her in the trunk of a car

(01:14:16):
and then drive off a cliff or whatever. Right, Like
I remember that song, we get another little nod of
you know, just another layer of stress that black people
have to go through. Here he is jogging in the
middle of the night and cops just roll up shine

(01:14:39):
light on just because, right, And that's just another that's
just another thing, right, that that is here to stress
out this man who's already not well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Yeah, he's already on the fucking brink. Yeah, period of reasons. Yeah,
also just proving like even if you have mental illness
and you have all of these other things, you're still
black and you still have to also deal with that,
which is a thing I think people don't think about
sort of in the day to day of it all,

(01:15:18):
Like if you're just not mentally there, you also are
treated differently. But then coupled racism on top of.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
That, right, which is fascinating. So he is distraught and
he focuses on his next fitness show. Immediately before the
next fitness show, he gets, uh, he gets attacked by
the paint store owner, by the paint store owner's nephew

(01:15:48):
and his friends. They roll up in a marked van.
By the way, It's like they roll up in a
marked van with the the the name of the paint shop,
and they dragged him. They dragged Killian out of his
car and uh, they proceed to beat the brakes off

(01:16:10):
of him with a lead pipe. I thought he was
about to pull it out, bro. I thought he was
about the you know, I thought he was, uh, getting
ready to at least knock one of these fools out right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
He got, he got. He had a moment where he like,
he punched one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
And if they if they didn't have that pipe right
as an equalizer, I think to put Yeah, I had
to put my money on on killing But they beat
the ship out of him. Man, they beat the ship
out of him, and then uh and then call him
an ape. Really solidify it, Yeah, again, call him a

(01:16:52):
fucking ape, uh, and spit on him and then they
flee in the marked van. They committed fucking assault in
broad daylight and then get into you know, Gary and
Son's painting van.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I thought that was really funn It was like, couldn't
have found an unmarked one. He just beat him up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
And in the past they're like, no, right, use your
regular cough for God's sake.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
By the way, there's a moment before that scene. I
didn't know what this. I didn't. I assumed it meant something,
but I didn't look it up at the time. But
like before he gets ready to leave for the bodybuilding competition,
like he's you see a montage to him watching like
the Mister Olympia competitions in the past, and him working out.

(01:17:37):
He also grabs two things out of like he's like
weighing himself and he's grabs two drugs out of like
a cabinet or whatever one of them is. I think
it's like magnesium. Yeah, magnesium site trade, which is a
is a laxative.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
So yeah, you gotta get yourself dried out, right, you
gotta you gotta, you know, purge all that ship no water,
right because you can't be getting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
I feel like that is not the way to do that.
But like just making yourself ship your brains up, all right, bro,
I guess there are other ways. But he's also taking something.
I didn't know what this was. I just looked it up.
Try him triumptarium and hydro chloroth thiazide, which is used

(01:18:32):
to treat water retention or edemia or a diema, and
also high blood pressure and hypertension, which is clearly something
that he has, right, So he is taking these drugs
to not only lean out and to get rid of
the water, but also maybe to deal with the fact
that he probably has incredibly high blood pressure, which is

(01:18:55):
another thing from using excessive amount of these drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Just so, despite the despite the ass whooping, uh, he
drives to the show bloodied, bruised, battered.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
He's giving me es.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
And uh and he steps out on stage. He starts
to pose and uh, he passes out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
And he's got blood in his mouth like like fight
club style, you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's wild. It's wild because like, yeah,
Jonathan Major's is big, but like he just walked past
a bunch of like professional bodybuilders and it's like, yo,
but he's not like as big as them, Like he is,
wild man, but you know, you don't have to be

(01:19:49):
as big as them, right, Like, isn't bodybuilding just more
about the sculpt right, just being able to see the muscles, right,
Like I've know exactly, I've known. I've known a couple
bodybuilders that aren't like ballooned up like that, but they know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
I guess it like depends on what leagues you're in,
and it depends on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Your yeah, like like weight classes and shit like that. Yeah,
I mean, but.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Like like back in the day, like the thing he's watched,
the thing he's watching on TV before was that's an Olympia.
It looks like he was like, uh, Dorian Yates and
like flex Wheeler, Like flex Wheeler was black. Dude looked
like a fucking sculpture like he did. And then Dorian
Dorian Yates one I think eight Olympias. He was just
fucking bigger than everyone, like he was. He was jacked

(01:20:35):
as fuck, but he was just also bigger than but
like twenty or thirty pounds like he just was. So
it just all depounds like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
The answer maybe, Yeah, the answer is it's very subjective. Yeah,
quite literally, yeah, which which is fine. No. Vince McMahon
tried to have his own bodybuilding league because that guy
is obsessed with bodybuilding.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
That makes sense. He's used to be jack as fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Yeah, yeah, he tried to. He tried to get the
w BF off the ground, and you know, people just
weren't into mainstream bodybuilding.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Yeah, he's he was a couple. He was a couple
of decades too early.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Yeah. Uh. Following the disaster of a show Killian hides
his true dark and violent feelings and real life happenings
from his counselor.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Yeah, Bro's not doing well and he collapsed on stage
and that was filmed and so that that became huge.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Yeah again seeing like comments and ship like that, and
it's just nothing is helping his psyche and you can
see him, uh, just kind of breaking down. Like I said.
He meets with his therapist. He's like, no, it's all good.
My life is great, absolutely, and and uh and she

(01:22:00):
is like huh okay, all right, well I'm very I'm
very happy for you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Then he says he's gonna be on a magazine cover.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Yeah. Girlfriend, right, like everything is hunky dory. He eventually
uh is like he does what most men. He thinks.
He thinks what most men think when they're down in
the dumps. Maybe I just need some pussy, you know,
like you know, I gotta I gotta do something right.

(01:22:36):
So he finds a he finds a prostitute and he's
he's like, hey, you know, you know, let's let's spend
some time together, right, and and they get there and
she's like, you don't you don't take your clothes off

(01:22:57):
of what and and he's like, all right, I'll be
right back, right, And then he comes in, he's like,
do you like my body? Right? Because like he just
wants people to like recognize the work that he's put in, right,
he needs validation from literally anybody at this point. And
and you know, she says exactly what you know, a

(01:23:19):
pain with someone being paid to spend time with you
does like, yeah, you know, you look great. It's like,
what about my deltoids.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
That's just like I don't know what that is. I
don't look to her credit.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Right, to her credit, she didn't bullshit him and be like,
oh yeah you're yeah, you're you're Your deltas are wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Yeah, Like that's the part here, right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
She was like, yeah, look at look at him. Make
him bounce for me, right, Like, no, that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
A thing you can do. That's just really funny. It's
like I don't know what that means, Like I don't write.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
But look, do a credit. Right. She didn't. She didn't
fucking bullshit him. And uh, he was like that's all
I need to hear. Baby, you like my deltoids. My
delto is big enough for you baby, right, Like that's
I'm gonna do that small talk next next time, me
and my wife.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
She's like, my deltoy, I want to get it on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Like my deltoids, Like the fuck is a deltoid? The airline?

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
What they're really expensive? Yeah, that's like and she she
sees him for who he is though, like yeah, honestly
she sees he's like a scared little boy, like I'm
not sure he's ever had.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Sex, to be honest, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. And
he's he's like they get ready to start, and she's like,
you know, come on, come and get it and uh
and he goes in to kiss her and she's like whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, uh,
you know, I'll do a lot of things, but I

(01:24:59):
won't do that no kissing, right, And he's kind of
flummoxed and he can't. He can't perform after that, like
he's just like I don't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
I look, I don't think I just like I don't
need you to ever say that again. Like that was
really weird time the majors, please please don't. Also, she
kind of leans in for the kiss, which is like weird,
Like I get that what the story is, but like
it seemed odd because I'm like it was clear what
he was trying to do. And then she's like it's like, okay,

(01:25:37):
maybe she's one of kiss John's the majors. It's possible.
The thing is, I don't think that her saying no
kissing was the reason he couldn't perform. I don't think
he could perform because he's on the amount of the
copious amount of drugs. That's why he's like, hold on
a second. He's like hitting it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Come on, come on, you gotta you gotta, you gotta
do your rose like starting bitch up like a lawnmower.
Let do this. Damn.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
I mean you like that is the thing, Like you
think too much?

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
That's funny. Yeah, So we see him at work and
he's and they don't do it, but yeah they don't
because he's like they don't have So the next day,
you know, he's at work, the boss comes in. It's like, look, bro,

(01:26:33):
I gotta let you go. Man, you're freaking people out.
You're missing days. You know, your your sprange. I ankle
that one day. It was like it was my biceps,
Like okay, whatever, that's not the point, bro, Like I
need three right right, it's like, all right, whatever your bicep, whatever, deltoid,

(01:26:56):
like you missed three weeks and I gave it to you, right,
but I can't now, like I'll pay it to the
end of the week. Nobody gives a fuck who you are,
like like because he said, but I bring prestige to
your establishment or some ship like that with my with
my name and likeness. I bring my name and likeness

(01:27:19):
to this company to get more people in. And he's like,
the fuck are you, bro? Like nobody knows who you are.
And that's a trigger for him, right because like like
he he wants to he wants people to know, he
wants to be famous, he wants people to know who
he is. He wants friends, he wants any type of

(01:27:39):
you know, acknowledgement. And and I again, the movie subverts
my expect my my expectations. I thought he was about
to beat the boys off of this this dude. Right, Yeah,
you get a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
There's a lot of there's a lot of violence, cock
teasing that that happens in this movie. They're like, oh, yeah,
he goes to a but this scene before we move
over to this scene when he leans into the like
into his boss and he's like, you need to be
very careful how you talk to me. This is some

(01:28:14):
of the best performance in this movie that is riddled
with great performances. Like the way in which he delivers
those lines. It doesn't even really look like him, like
it's weird, the way it shot. His eyes look very different,
like yeah, it like he he brings a level of
intensity in that scene where it's like that was exactly
the right amount you needed, right, Like, it's not overreaching,

(01:28:35):
it's it's not understated, it's exactly the right amount because
he's like slightly shaking as he delivers it in this
calm but very terrifying voice, and that guy's like got it. Okay, please,
for the love of God, just get the fuck out
of here. I don't want to die. He does a
good job, like it's really really well delivered delivered scene. So,

(01:28:58):
and then he goes to the diner.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
He goes to dinner and look, I got a lot
of satisfaction out of this dyner scene. Oh yeah, oh
yeah it it I just I really did. He's at
the dinner, he ends up seeing the nephew that of
the paint guy, that of the paint shop owner that

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assaulted him earlier, and the guy's there with his family
and he approaches him and he you know, this is
a real tense scene because you know this man is
not well. But at the same time, like I know,
you know he's not well. He has every right to

(01:29:45):
act out in this situation, but you don't want him
to because you know what's going to happen if he does.
Because this is America, right, but you know that this
character is unstable, so you don't know if it is
going to happen. Like it's it's a weird mixture of

(01:30:07):
different types of tension and and it's really it's done
really really well. I this is this is probably my
favorite scene in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Oh yeah, no, it is. Yeah, you're right. It brings
a crosses so many different lines, right because you want
to see him call the guy out and in a
different movie, you're right, like maybe he punches a guy
in the face, like that's fine, you know, almost celebrate it,
not almost, you definitely would, I would, hell yeah, But

(01:30:39):
at the same time, like, would you like start punching
that guy's wife or kid, like he's not mentally well? Right, Like,
so there is that like what what could potentially happen.
Could he just start beating the shit out of this
guy in front of this guy's family, which is also
not good. Maybe a little cathartic, but it's still not good,

(01:31:01):
or any other fucking situation. And it's yeah, it works
really really well. It's shot really well, like it shot
low at times, like shooting up and all this other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
He like, yeah, from from the from the the white
man's perspective of seeing, you know, it's it does a
very good job. This is my favorite scene, man, I
really I really enjoy all the all the microaggressions that
he's been going through throughout the movie kind of come
to a head, right, someone yells call the cops, like, yeah,

(01:31:36):
call him, call him, uh, And then he goes around
call him people, fat, bald, coward, ugly short Like I'm like,
but but he's also like, yeah, go ahead call him,
call him and tell him that a six foot one
black man that's two hundred forty five pounds unarmed, by

(01:31:59):
the way, go ahead, call call because like at this point,
like you know, at this point, I thought it was
gonna be some like suicide by cops stuff, man, Like
like this is this is a really really good scene.
And yeah, it it ends with him like just bashing

(01:32:27):
his head into a car window because like he doesn't
know what to do with himself, and you know, this
car feels so bad for his character. Man. And then
these cops do what the fuck cops do, right, Like
they don't de escalate, They don't know how to de escalate,
they don't know how to talk to people.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
And and and this is this is a real statement
on cops dealing with mental illness too.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
This is yeah, this is this is absolutely like message right,
like it takes forties dudes uh to literally beat and
and mace uh this on black man. And like I
get it, you're scared. But they started like Rodney king

(01:33:10):
him immediately, right, It was immediate. It was immediate, like
that's the thing, right, like like all right, and they
had the nerve to be like, don't die fuck her, right, like,
not for his well being, but because they don't want
to get in fucking trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
And just you had your arm under.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
His neck, bro, God damn man.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Like they do a good job of moving you from
a scene of like him getting his sort of revenge
on that guy by antagonizing him and then he starts
becoming like very much a dick and like throwing onion
rings at the guy like you know, from across the
restaurant and everything else. To then immediately pulling you back

(01:33:55):
into the sympathy arc because here he is being attacked
by the police, right like, they didn't talk to him, right,
they didn't try to like you said, they didn't try
to de escalate. They immediately put him in a chokeoal
while two of them hit him with night sticks and
then they started macing it like that. That was there
the first order of business, which is fucking insane. He

(01:34:23):
then is back with his therapist and she's just like, hey, like,
you got you got all these fines from like resisting
arrests and everything else. You know, how are you going
to pay all this? And he's just like, I don't know.
I don't have no job, I have no idea what
the fuck I'm gonna do. Then we see him in

(01:34:46):
you know, in the parking lot, I guess after that
that meeting, and he's just like pointing at people in
the parking lot like that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
He wants to just shoot, and we see him, uh
oh yeah, yeah, you're right. We and then and then
we see him after this. Uh he gets a gun
in the mail and he's starting to put it together.
I know you could buy guns through the mail. I
thought you had to go to an actual shop. I

(01:35:18):
have no idea to get your fire arms.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
I'm not a gun person, but this feels terrifying if.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
This is true, Like yeah, man, like he's got like
IKEA instructions and ship put the together. Like that's wild, man,
I would you know what, I'm not even going to
do that. I was gonna see if you could buy
a gun on off of Amazon and just like hey,
I would ship to you. But I don't want to.

(01:35:45):
I don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
I don't even want that in my algorithm, like to
be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So Uh.
He later goes to a club and I'm just kind
of yeah, he buys a bunch of guns. He buys
a bunch of guns, and uh. He we see him

(01:36:10):
in a club just kind of living life, you know,
trying to trying to be free, and Brad unexpectedly calls
and invites Kill into a photo shoot, and you know
it is this number one fan, right, like it's it's
Brad vander Horn. Man, like gotta go yeah, Like like

(01:36:35):
are you bullshitting me?

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
Like is this the real Brad vander Horn? And uh,
it is, it is And you have to you have to.
You are the you are the person who is in
this world. So you'll have to tell me if this
is something you have or would do. But you can
appreciate a a person who takes care of himselves. If

(01:37:01):
blad Vanderhorn as if blad Vanderhorn asks you if you
admire blad Vanderhorn's abdominal muscles, and he was like, hey,
do you want to touch them? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Like you want to touch my?

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Punch you in your stomach? Get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
No, that's weird, man, that's a really weird thing to say,
Like noah, like I feel like you get your ass
kicked if you said something like that, Like no, that's
that's this is a fucking bizarre It's a really bizarre thing.
And he's like okay, and he's like I just touch
those apps. Uh no, man, you're being weird. You're being weird. Yeah,

(01:37:48):
it's a it's a it's a very weird scene and
it's because Brad van der Horn trying to get in
that ass, get in that ass, Larry and yeah he
uh He's like, oh, I hear you my number one fan.
And immediately I was like, I was I was joking

(01:38:09):
that I was going to say on the episode, and
then he got fucked by Brad vander Horn and then
it like this see goes to that's exactly what happened.
I was like, well, there's no more making that joke
on the show. Yeah, you see you see him wake
up the next day and you know, Brad vander Horn

(01:38:29):
is is there getting out of bed, uh naked next
to him and getting on the phone talking to his
wife about how his flight got delayed and he can't
wait to be back with her. Meanwhile, he is just
slept with Killian Maddox. Okay, again, there's a lot of

(01:38:50):
uh uh switcher ruse going on in that industry, especially
if you're taking high amounts of drugs. Just there, that's
not out a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
So there you go. I did not know that, but
like that was I just thought you you you provided context,
like I thought, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
I mean he could, by the way, he could also
just be a bisexual man. Like that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Yeah, that's fine, that's fine. What's not fine is him
taking advantage of someone.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
That's not fine, right, but there is there is also
an equal possibility that Brad vander Horn is also uh
vander Horn all up and uh because that is very much.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
And uh you know, like a like a like a
like a like a person who has been given that
good dick. Uh Killian calls Brad and leaves more messages
and it's like, hey, guys, you know, it honestly hurts

(01:39:56):
me when you don't call me back, especially because you
know he did all those things to me and I
just want to be friends figuratively and literally.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
It hurts that was not ready for that, which is wild,
Like this is a this is a wild aspect of
the movie. You're like, oh, okay, we're going there, and yeah,
he's he's upset because he did he was just going
there as a fan and he was taking advantage of
I mean, like all jokes aside, like that is what happened,

(01:40:28):
even if you know, like straight k what have you. Yeah,
he did, Brad Vanderhorn just manipulated him so that he
could have sex with him. That's that's that's it again.
That guy is Michael Hearn, who is a straight man
by the way, as far as I understand, but yeah,
people call him mica O Tren because he still pretends

(01:40:51):
that he's natural, which is hilarious. Like all right, bro,
hey Titan from it, just relax.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
That dude is way too big.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
He's fucking hu dude, he's here.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
God damn.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Much like the Rock Like somehow, how are you maintaining
this body size? Just straight through like into your fifties
like that, and that guys just always looked like that,
Like he's I mean not that size, but like he's always.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Been super jacked. So good for him, I guess. So.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Uh. Killian goes to like a club and he meets
his one dude who's like, hey, man, like, I'm super
drunk right now. You want to do a bump of
cocaine with me? Come on, man, let's do it. Let's
do a bump. I've never been anywhere where someone's like, hey,
would you like to do cocaine with me? And I'm
okay with that, Like I'm super okay with that. It's
just I don't give off. I don't give off that.

(01:41:48):
Let's do cocaine together. Vibes, which is a thing I
aspire to honestly, so cool. By the way, we didn't
mention it, but Killian does cocaine like quite a number
of times. Actually he was doing cocaine before going to
the gym.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Which okay, yeah, and then just a pre workout.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
I mean, this is I guess it's the ultimate pre workout, like,
which is why he trains the way he does. Like
he's like screaming in the barking and ship and I'm like, yeah,
he's coped out of his mind. I don't think that's
a normal thing in bodybuilding, is to do cocaine as
a pre workout. I've never read about that or heard

(01:42:31):
some talk about that, but I'm sure it is not
completely unprecedented.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
Unfortunately, So this.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Guy he's doing cocaine with or or the guy wants
him to do cocaine with with him. He's just he's
just rambling on about a bunch of bullshit, like, you know,
the society is fucked up in the Middle East, and
they the you know, the Muslims are trying to kill you.
Black people are trying to kill you, especially the blacks, right,
Like he's saying that's what the news is pushing, not
that he believes that and it's and he's like, yeah,

(01:42:59):
you know, everybody just wants to be on the mountaintop
looking down at the regular guy like you know, being
better than us, right, me and you buddy, like we're
at we're at the bottom, right, Like it's fucked up.
So then you you hear you hear Killian. When he
calls and leaves a message for Brad vander Horn, he says,

(01:43:22):
I'm gonna kill someone and then I'm gonna kill myself.
You're like, oh, okay again, this is how it's going
to end. I got it. Like, so who's the person?
And he goes to this seemingly random guy's apartment, sneaks in.
He's there when he gets out of the bathroom and
he's got a shotgun with him, and he's like, hey man,

(01:43:44):
you judged a competition I was in twenty sixteen, the Dayton,
Ohio Grand Prix. And and you know, I guess he's
the guy who was like, yeah, your deltoids are too small.
And so he makes the guy strip and do body
building poses, which is just funny. I'm sorry, like just

(01:44:06):
seeing like this schlubby, This schlubby dude is like he's
like give you the yo, like the front lap spread.
The guy's like, I don't even know what to do
with my hands.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
Yeah, a guy with an actual dad boding, not this
not this bodybuilder off peak dad bod that these young
people think as a dad bod, Right, Yeah, like give right,
this dude's a schlub. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
So yeah, he's like he's like side triceep and he's
like and smile. The guy's like screaming and looking fucking insane,
and he's like look look what like look what you
made me into? Right and get down on your knees, right,
because he's gonna kill him and then Killian just walks
out close the door. He just wanted to, uh feel

(01:44:59):
above someone else. He quite literally says like I'm a
I'm at the mountaintop looking down on you. Right, So
for the first time in his life he gets to
actually be powerful.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
We see him back at home googling you know, how
do you how do people? How do you make people
remember you? And so he's reading an article it's like
ten ways, and you know, it's like leave a legacy,
create a body of work, and then one of them
is like change history, do something historic right, and so

(01:45:37):
he's like, oh, excuse me, the line is bee bolt
change history. And so he's like, all right, h how
could I do that? So I could kill Brad Vanderhorn.
And so he packs up his assault rifle and goes
to whoever whatever show or what have you. Brad Vanderhorn

(01:45:58):
is at you see the uh Brad posing on stage
and killian, you know, gets his gun together and he
goes to the side of the stage and just as
like everything seems like maybe he's not gonna do it,
he just starts firing at the guy and just you know,

(01:46:18):
just spread up murders him right on stage, and you see,
you see his bloody corpse there and the lights are flashing.
So it's it does a really good job of showing
you that that cinematography we talked about earlier, it looks
very good. And so you're seeing flashes of him as

(01:46:41):
a as a young boy with his parents, you know
again his his parents died murder suicide type of ship,
and you know, you see him posing on stage right
like he's taking Brad Vanderhorn's sort of limelight, and like
this idea that he would be on stage posing and

(01:47:02):
like everybody would would love him for that. And then
you come to find out, like all this is in
his head, he doesn't actually shoot Brad vander Horn and
he just leaves while the show's still going on, which
was good. I was I did not want him to
just and this and like just in murder, like, yeah,

(01:47:25):
it's like another track black Man's story.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Yeah, I you know, it's I thought that this character
was going to eventually die, will be put in jail
or something. I imagined that the worst would befall this
character because you know, unfortunately, that's kind of what happens
to people. There are a lot of people in his

(01:47:51):
world that that don't have anybody that you know, loves
them or looks out for them and or helps them,
right Like, people need help, and and those people generally
get kind of tossed to the side exactly. And then

(01:48:12):
we wonder, you know, oh, well, what could have done this? Right?
Like who could have? You know? And I'm actually, yes, right,
could it? Right? Yeah? Yeah, it could have. But you know,
people need to take the time out to you know,

(01:48:32):
try and help, and they don't and for whatever reason,
right like, they just don't. But I'm actually really really
glad that that this character who has gone through so
much didn't succumb to, you know, the fate that has

(01:48:53):
normally resigned for people like him. I mean, wasn't there
just a story about of someone who was killed by
police who was you know, just like mentally unwell. Yeah,
and yeah, you know, this stuff actually happens, man. So

(01:49:17):
I'm really glad that my expect I was pleasantly surprised
by the end of this movie. Yeah, and it gave me.
It gave me, you know, the gay. The movie ends
with a little bit of hope, which you know, I
really appreciate, particularly at the stage of my life, you know. Yeah,

(01:49:38):
so yeah, and then the movie pretty much just kind
of ends from there. He goes back to posing. He
he well, he gashes all his steroids down the down
the toilet.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
He but before that he takes he gets home, he
sees his grandfather and that's he has that emotional breakdown
and hugs him basically like he doesn't say anything, but
like I need help ya like like like that that's
the that's the without saying a single word, he just

(01:50:12):
starts crying and hugs his grandfather. I'm like, uh, if
I'm in the grandfather' like nigga, don't lean into me
because I'm like forty pounds and you're way too big.
I can't hold you up. But he just he cries
on his grandfather's shoulders and it's just it's it's you know.
He the grandfather says like, you know, it's okay, I
got you, you got me type of shit, But it is.

(01:50:34):
It is the moment of like I need help, Like
I didn't think I I didn't think I did before,
but like I'm doing all these drugs. You know, I'm
I literally was sexually assaulted, like all of this shit happened.
I have these thoughts of like wanting to kill people
and everything else, and I got all the way to
that line and I didn't do it. Like that's that's

(01:50:58):
a way of being like this needs to end and
I need to figure this out. And so to your point,
he goes back to like he wants to just do bodybuilding,
but like without all the drugs and everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
Yeah. Yeah, So look, man, the movie is very good.
Jonathan Major's is very good in it. Look, uh, I

(01:51:33):
we black people deserve to come back to to to
try and come back right. White people fuck up all
the time. Way bigger than he didn't, right, right, and
they are given second chances, and I think he deserves

(01:51:57):
another chance to to you know, become the actor that
he was on track to being. Yeah, and I really
hope that. I don't know how well this movie did,
but I I do hope that it only made uh

(01:52:19):
one million dollars at the box office, but I don't
think it was playing a bunch of u a bunch of.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Theaters either, So I think that I think look, mouth
is catching on though. I think that's that's that's where
he will That's where the movie will really better.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
And look, all the critics seem to really really enjoy it.
So yeah, I Jonathan Majors is A is A is
a very good actor. I really do hope that I
see him in more movies. And I also hope that,
you know, whatever he went through, he he is he

(01:52:58):
is on the other side of it because I'm I'm
rotten against him. Uh, but I will drop your ass
if you fuck up again, and like really fuck up? Yeah,
I mean, look, I got no problem dropping famous people
like get out of here? Yeah, how am I right?

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Like I don't care? Oh no, like and look, and
I'm sure somebody would say, well, you guys, you guys
at least, and I can speak for myself, I can't
speak for others, But like, I don't I didn't support
giving was it uh Nate Parker a second chance because
I thought what happened with that guy was far.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
Too egregious for me personally.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
If you want to, I don't. I don't care. Like
that's that's fine, that's not that's not a value judgment
on anybody else, whether you want to see his movies
or what have you. But for me, no, that that
was a bridge too far. You putting a woman you know,
aggressively back in the car and she got her like
ear hurt or what have you. To me is not
the same as as like running a train on a

(01:54:03):
woman and then like kind of talking shit on her
and embarrassing her to the point where she committed suicide.
These things are not equal to me, So that's why
they do not have an equal response for me personally. Again,
whatever you feel about it is what you feel about it,
and that's not a judgment. I'm not calling people out
at all and their feelings of it. I will call

(01:54:24):
people out on plenty of things. But if that's a
movie you want to watch or whatever, or celebrity you
want to support. That's your right, it really is. But
and if you don't support Jonathan Majors, by the way,
that's also your right. Like, yeah, I don't have any
problem with that. You'd be like, you know what, fuck
this guy for what he did. Zero, Like you don't
have to be like I hate Johnathan Majors and I

(01:54:46):
can't believe you guys supporting you don't like it, that's okay,
that's totally fine. I'm not judging you or feeling one
way or the other. Like I just I just want
to put that out there because people tend to think
that our opinion has to be there. It doesn't. It
really doesn't. So yeah, look I don't know what he's

(01:55:06):
doing next. I have to look up his Wikipedia. But look, man,
I would just say, keep making making, keep making serious
ship for a bit, right, Like, just keep making some
serious ship. And I think there is there is very
much a a possibility that he gets picked up in

(01:55:27):
something big like and then people go, all right, we
think we're ready for him to come back. So but
I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, it doesn't seem
to be have. He doesn't seem to have anything on
the horizon right now, but that's just Wikipedia. I don't
know how true that is, so so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
Yeah, I mean, you know, if he is he is,
if he doesn't, he doesn't like. But for for what
we are discussing right now, he's really good in this movie.
He really was. Yeah, he's excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
So all right, that is it for us episode two
eighty one. We will see you guys next week for
a preview episode for episode to eighty two, letter guys
see yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah