August 29, 2025 • 22 mins
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This week on Black on Black Cinema, we return from our hiatus to announce the next film, "Brother." The film follows sons of Caribbean immigrants, Francis and Michael as they face questions of masculinity, identity and family amid the pulsing beat of Toronto's early hip-hop scene. The movie stars Lamar Johnson, Aaron Pierre, and Marsha Stephanie Blake.
This week on Black on Black Cinema, we return from our hiatus to announce the next film, "Brother." The film follows sons of Caribbean immigrants, Francis and Michael as they face questions of masculinity, identity and family amid the pulsing beat of Toronto's early hip-hop scene. The movie stars Lamar Johnson, Aaron Pierre, and Marsha Stephanie Blake.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I have no idea and not any lesson about the
villas right now.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Don't find the last downfon me change Let's reputas on it,
you know, hold on. Welcome to a brand new preview
episode for Black and Black Cinema. I'm your host, Jay,
I'm here with my co host Micah. Hey. All right, guys,
this is a preview for episode two eighty six. Brother.
This is available on Netflix and Prime. This is a
(00:35):
two thousand and twenty two film starring Lamar Johnson, Aaron Pierre,
and Marcia's Stephanie Blake. The logline here is sons of
Caribbean immigrants, Francis and Michael face questions of masculinity, identity,
and family amid the pulsing beat of Toronto's early hip
hop scene. Look, you definitely know Aaron Pierre. He is.
(00:59):
He's the dude at the moment, I think a little bit.
He was in what was what's that movie we did? Yeah,
rebel Ridge, which I enjoyed him in that. I thought
he was pretty fun in that. It got him that
green lantern rowle, right, and I'm cool with that. That's
what I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do
in that movie. Or a TV show. So check out
(01:21):
the trailer and we will we'll talk about that in
depth next week. Again. It's on Netflix and Amazon. The
topic this week is it's twenty twenty five and apparently
fifty three year olds who have long long been around
the earth, Snoop, amongst many other people, are shocked to
(01:43):
know that there are gay people living among us like
their aliens. And so apparently Snoop was on a podcast
of some sort, and I don't know what they were
talking about, but he brought up that he took his
grandson to see the movie Light Year back in twenty
twenty too, and I guess he's still thinking about it,
like it's been three years, and that the movie was fine,
(02:06):
but the impact of the moment in the film has
really stuck with him, that two animated women had a child,
and he didn't know how to explain that to his grandson.
Let me read the quote here, so I guess he
was on the podcast is called It's Giving Okay, But
(02:28):
the quote here is they're like, she had a baby
with another woman. Well, my grandson in the middle of
the movie is like, Papa Snoop, how she have a
baby with a woman she's a woman and then snoop
claim of the problem is that quote y'all throwing me
in the middle of this shit that I didn't I
don't have an answer for These are kids. We have
(02:48):
to show, we have to show that at this age
they're going to ask questions. I don't have an answer. Okay,
So this is a very weird stance to me, especially
from a guy who literally has made music about like
having sex with women who are also having sex with
(03:10):
women in a menage a trois sort of situation that's
French for being lucky and and and he's also had
songs about I mean, what's the what's the line, ain't
no fun if the homies can't have none, which is
about having sex with a woman, and then it's great, right,
And then it's fun because your friends also get to
(03:31):
have sex with their hopefully at the same time. Because
that's what's cool with you. That's the exciting part for
you as a man. Okay, Street seems a bit odd
just saying, but do you Is it weird that a
fifty three year old still can't answer a basic question
of how a lesbian couple might have a kid.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It seems odd. Yeah, man, it just is. I mean,
I don't know you even can't. They're adopted, right, I
mean even if you don't want to like acknowledge a
homosexual relationship, they're adopted. How they do that? How they
(04:15):
I guarantee you that kid is like wait, how did
they do that? From like a like It's like right.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
He's asking from a physical perspective, right, not like and
he's not. Look, man, we got kids.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Anybody's ever been around kids knows the kids ask questions
about everything.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Literally, That's how they learn, right, That's how they learn, man,
And it's our job as adults to try our best
to give them answers.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And if not, then you know, we if my son
asked me something that I don't know the answered to,
I say, I don't know what, let's look it up, right,
And let's look it up right then and there so
kids won they learn the answer, and two they learn
to do their own research or whatever, like, especially nowadays
(05:12):
right where you know, we have all the information we
can ever need and make phone calls. I just so
so yeah, it's just kind of it's just kind of odd,
but like not very surprising, you know what I mean?
And not sad yeah, not just because it's Snoop, but
(05:36):
it just the.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Like where we live, the times we live, right, people
are I don't I don't know. I've never I've never
been fixated on same sex relationship. I just yeah, it does.
It doesn't affect me. And look, I know there's gonna
be people who I'm I'm sitting in my house and
in my living room, there's gonna be people are like, yeah,
but there's like a dude there, like right behind you.
(06:02):
What's that all about? Right? Which is hilarious? Right? That
is that's an art piece called the Naked Man. But
it doesn't bother me. It's okay, I not no, But
there're gonna be people in the comment They're gonna be
in the comments, You're like, what's that guy all about?
Like one my wife was in the other room, relaxed everybody.
It's cool. I don't care, but it is just really weird.
(06:24):
Like my daughter is six. I don't know how old
Snoop's grandson was at the time. Clearly a child, right,
My daughter knows that gay people exist and they can
get married and they have kids. Like she went to
she went to a pride parade, and you know what
she thought, hey man, all these rainbows and stuff and
(06:46):
people dancing and having a good time seems pretty cool,
you know what. She didn't think, what do I? What
do I do? Oh my god? How Like, it's not
that serious. You can just tell people just like you
tell you know, and you know, if you see a
child watching a movie and they go, how is a
baby made? Because children ask that too, that's a normal question.
(07:09):
You can say, you know, either adoption depending right, that happens, obviously,
but obviously the more normal response is like, you know,
men and women make babies when they fall in love.
You can just say that you don't. Like, it's very
weird to me that people still have straight people very
much so have this weird thing of like when they
(07:29):
have to explain that gay people exist, that they feel
the need to pretend that they have to give explicit
sexual conversations to children, which is not what anyone is
asking you to do. It's like, well, how is it
how is a man and a woman have a child?
You don't go, well, first you take the penis and
then and then he gets real excited, like you don't
(07:50):
do that, so why do you do that with gay people?
It's not the it's not gay people that are being weird,
and it's not weird that kids are asking you're being
weird because all you can think of is the hyper
sexual details of how people are together. That's the odd part. Snoop,
you are the problem. It's not gay people are the problem.
So I just never understood that, Like for some reason,
(08:13):
they're like, how am I supposed to explain it? Well,
no one is actually asking you to explain the you know,
the details of scissoring or I'm being a tack, or
the details of two men having angle sex. No one
is asking you to do that. You're being fucking weird, right,
So I just I find it strange. I also saw
(08:34):
plenty of people I'm sure they will probably be in
our comments about like, well, what did he say that
was homophobic? The fact that you're like saying, you're throwing
me into the middle of this shit, like it's odd
in twenty twenty five, it's not man like. It's not
odd that people are together who are the same sex.
It's legally, it's been legal for a number of years
(08:56):
for them to be married. It's no longer odd. You're
being odd. Yeah, there is no agenda like No, it
isn't working. What would what would be the point of
the agenda to destroy the human race get a certain point,
like like to convert you like it doesn't like, it doesn't,
(09:21):
it doesn't. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't. It's
a I wish I had access and I'm not in
my office. That just that Joe Buddencliff that came out
a couple of a couple of weeks ago. It's like,
what the fuck is wrong with's all in this room?
Like why do you think you're the type for a
bod nigga? Like they're you're not there type? Why are you?
Why do you have that thought process? It's very strange,
(09:44):
very strange, as as I've heard many gay people say,
like nobody cares more about gay sex than straight homophones.
Like it's just really weird to me. I think about
it all the time. Yeah, it's weird that you think that.
So I'm just Snoop has done a lot of It's
like he had such a massive amount of goodwill for
so many decades. I would argue not I don't think
(10:07):
anyone would make the argue that he's the best rapper
of all time. That would be very strange, but like
he was easily one of the most popular rappers, like worldwide,
everybodys snoop, everybody does, right, I mean he's hanging out
with fucking Martha Stewart for God's sake, right, Like that's
just he has crossed over so many lines in society,
which is good for him, right, but in the last
(10:28):
year he has just managed to really fuck up a
lot of it with you know, playing for Trump at
his inauguration or at what are the inaugural balls or
what have you. To Now, this is like you're supposed
to like you're supposed to be. You're supposed to get
smarter and more savvy as you get older, not less,
(10:48):
certainly not at fifty three. I mean, but then again, yeah,
maybe I'm maybe I'm living in a massive battle. Yeah yeah,
I think maybe I am. As I say that, Yeah, maybe, Like.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Like that's the thing I tell you that, like you're
you know, I look, I don't surround myself with enough idiots,
Like I have a bad sample size.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I think that's one of.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, man, like people get people tend to get a
little more conservative they you know, at least you know
back then, it might it might change now with the millennials,
you know, from millennials going forward.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But uh, yeah, I'm not surprised. I mean, like, the
guy's fifty three, man, he's the people get set in
their ways when they get older and they don't That's
that's the issue, and it's hard.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
For people to change that. Look, am I saying that
like Snoop Dogg hates gay people?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
No? I don't think. No, Yeah, I don't believe. Really,
that would be utterly ridiculous to say that that guy
hates gay Well, here's what I would say. We don't
have any evidence that he us. I'm not gonna he might,
but we don't have any evidence, So I'm not gonna agree.
I'm gonna give him a benefit of the down, right,
I'm not going to jump to that conclusion.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Right, that dude is just like he's probably just really
uncomfortable about it, right, like because he's you know, he's.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
An older guy.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Look, I'll be honest with you, I don't understand how
I don't understand gayness, But like in the same vein
that I don't understand what it's like to be white,
in the same vein that right, right, you just want
to be a woman because I'm not that right, Yeah,
now that makes alltle sense, so but I don't, you know,
(12:41):
but there's something like what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Like how am I supposed to SpongeBob meme? Like how
there's an answer for everything? Man? And you know, how
did this they adopted?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
They like each other a lot and they want to
adopted it.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It's just not that hard, like it's in the middle
of a movie, Like you're in the middle of the movie.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's a movie about a spaceman and his and his
robot cat, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Like like shut up. The acting scene is a one
like what are we talking about? Weird? Right?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, I don't and I can understand, like like you said,
it's I think it's what you said, right, like the
hyper sexualization of it, right, like this what's.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
He's a part of By the way, he's a he
is very much a guilty party in that from his
early music, he's absolutely from his current music, all right.
His last album was like Missionary or something. Oh wow, Okay,
see I haven't been listening to Snoop like his recent
ship Like okay, so we're still still not growing up,
all right, got it?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I mean, you know, and it is what it is, right,
Like I haven't heard it because like I haven't heard it,
but you know, it's just it's you. It's not that hard,
is what I'm saying. And you gotta be able to
know all the lives people exist.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, I don't understand. I just to me, it's it's
so weird. It's so weird that like, yeah, okay, he's
fifty three. I mean he's only in just a few
years older than us. It's not like he's like seventy five, right,
Like we were teenagers listening to his music and he
was in his twenties, right, Like, so it's not it's
(14:30):
not that crazy. It just feels like you grew up
in a time and granted it all depends on who
you're around and where you are and stuff like that,
but like you are essentially a part of the same
generation that we are. You've seen this over time, You've
seen how people were like vehemently against these things, and
(14:50):
that the like that's change your I would argue probably
a lot of the people who've listened to your music
have likely changed on the issue, maybe not fully in support,
but at least like softened on the issue, Like it's
just very weird to be like, this is the thing
I believed in my twenties and thirty years later, I
(15:11):
still believe the same thing. But it's not like I
believe in math. You're believing in like big a trick.
Like it's just very weird to me, or that some
people should be treated differently, or that you cannot understand
how they exist. It's just to me. And granted, people
get more conservative A lot of people do, and get
more stuck in their ways, I will grant you, But
(15:33):
I guess from just a personal perspective, I'm not the
same person I was when I was fucking thirteen, right
like I had because I grew up, you know, being
around in the church and shit like that. I had
homophobic views too when I was a teenager. I'm forty
five years old. I've long grown past that. Like, it's
just very weird to me. I don't know. I wish
(15:54):
people could mature much better. At no point that he
wasn't forced to be like, hey, let's have a conversation
about the lesbian couple in light Year. What's your thoughts, snoop,
And he was like, Oh, I just don't like it
is that cool for your audience, Like how did they
even get on the fucking topic? You know what I mean,
It's like it doesn't make sense, it's not relevant to
anything that he does. So it was clearly a thing
(16:16):
where he was like I have an anecdote, and it's
just like shutting up is free. But I guess I'm
glad you kind of exposed yourself for being kind of
a dumbass about it.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I think they were talking about like going to the movies,
and then for some reason, like that was just stuck
in his brain, like I don't know if I can
go to movies anymore, because you know, just one time,
three years ago, two cartoon ladies had a baby and
(16:47):
someone questioned me about it. Two cartoon ladies in space
with a robot cat next to him had a baby,
and my grandson asked me about it, and I'm like,
I don't know, man.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Like you ain't seen other movies, like you didn't have
any other movie, and well I saw this other movie
was really good. Like that's the thing. And so I
mean when people say, why do they call it homophobia
instead of like an ism, right, you know, I guess
it a rasis, you know, sexism that type of thing
and like why is it a phobia or you're scared
of it? Like this is a pretty good example of that, Like, oh,
(17:24):
I don't know what to say, and I don't know
if I want to go to the movies now, like
I don't want to enjoy entertainment because I might you know,
I happen to run into lesbians again as space cartoons.
Like it's just really weird to me. But I'm sure
there are gonna be people who again who say, why
is this homophobic? Because of the statement of I don't
(17:45):
know if I can go to the movies anymore because
I might have to see gay people in it again
that aren't even real, that are cartoons. How else are
we going to deal with us? Like what other things
in life are you ready to deal with or not
deal with if you can't deal with two lesbians and
a Pixar movie. It's Pixar. It's not going to be
(18:06):
controversial at all, I guarantee. So it's just it's very strange.
It's very People get caught up. People get caught up.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
On the suffix right, people get caught up on the
phobia part where it's like, oh, that means I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I'm not scared of gay No. No, it just means
you have any prejudice, that's it, and you have.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
A and that's that's not good, right because guess what
you know, like gay people don't care about you, Yo.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
They don't, they don't. They don't. Get out of the way.
Just get out of the way.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Just yeah, just get out of the way. They trying
to They same way people, same way. Straight people say
they got gaydar and they can spot gay people. Yeah,
gay people got it better than you. Yeah, get out
of here. Okay, Yeah that right. Maybe maybe they're born
with it. Uh yeah, it's called cadar, like it's that's
it's kind of over there, it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I I guess I'm just largely disappointed in him. Like
we're supposed, like our generation is supposed to we're supposed
to be the ones that you're like, all right, this
shit is stupid, you know what I mean. Like I'm
not expecting that from everybody in our generation, obviously, but
I do find it really sad that these sort of
(19:28):
I mean, you've got people like jay Z who puts
out that like his mom is gay, right, Like there
are people in the industry who're just like, yeah, it's fine,
who gives a shit, you know what I mean? Like,
it's just really weird, Like did Cheney is better on
this issue than Snoop? Is? What a weird fucking world
we live in, right? I Mean it's like that's super
(19:49):
strange to me. So yeah, I think largely, I mean,
diction is a shit, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, Dick Cheney is only cool with it because he
has a relation, of course, I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Was If he didn't, he wouldn't be he was. I
don't like him, right, So but it's it's just to me,
you're ruining this space cat movie. But I just think
I just often think about, like are we missing the
ball on these issues? Like, especially as our generation, especially
(20:22):
as black people. I in weird ways, I almost expect
white people to be the sort of the paragons of homophobia.
Like that makes sense because historically white people have just
kind of shit on anybody who isn't straight white male,
you know, like you've got to fit this little small
(20:42):
group that we're in, So I kind of expect it.
I'm not saying that all white people are homophobic, but
I kind of when when I hear that I'm like
that fucking tracks, of course, But I get so annoyed
and pissed off when I see black people parrot the
same ship that has been blarn parentid against us, Like
that shit drives me crazy. I'm like, you don't hear yourself, Like,
(21:05):
it's just really weird. No, it would be the same
thing if this was fifty years ago or seventy five
years ago and Snoop's grandson was like watching they're watching
a movie or you know, a real to reel or
some shit, and they're just like, hey, how is this
like black person in this white person together and having
(21:27):
a baby. It's like, I don't have an answer for that, Like,
you sell, that's the same argument. Like it's the same
fucking argument it And if you ask somebody would that
be weird? They would say, yeah, that's weird and dumb,
same issue, Like it's it's not different. So it just
it's very disappointing to me when I see us unable
(21:49):
to sort of progress, especially all the shit that we
don't through that it's crazy to Yeah, I don't Yeah
silliness all right, So next week we will We'll be
back with a full episode on Brother again that is
on Netflix and Prime, so check that out and we
will see you guys back for episode two eighty six. Bye.
(22:10):
So yeah yeah, yeah yeah
I have no idea and not any lesson about the
villas right now.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Don't find the last downfon me change Let's reputas on it,
you know, hold on. Welcome to a brand new preview
episode for Black and Black Cinema. I'm your host, Jay,
I'm here with my co host Micah. Hey. All right, guys,
this is a preview for episode two eighty six. Brother.
This is available on Netflix and Prime. This is a
(00:35):
two thousand and twenty two film starring Lamar Johnson, Aaron Pierre,
and Marcia's Stephanie Blake. The logline here is sons of
Caribbean immigrants, Francis and Michael face questions of masculinity, identity,
and family amid the pulsing beat of Toronto's early hip
hop scene. Look, you definitely know Aaron Pierre. He is.
(00:59):
He's the dude at the moment, I think a little bit.
He was in what was what's that movie we did? Yeah,
rebel Ridge, which I enjoyed him in that. I thought
he was pretty fun in that. It got him that
green lantern rowle, right, and I'm cool with that. That's
what I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do
in that movie. Or a TV show. So check out
(01:21):
the trailer and we will we'll talk about that in
depth next week. Again. It's on Netflix and Amazon. The
topic this week is it's twenty twenty five and apparently
fifty three year olds who have long long been around
the earth, Snoop, amongst many other people, are shocked to
(01:43):
know that there are gay people living among us like
their aliens. And so apparently Snoop was on a podcast
of some sort, and I don't know what they were
talking about, but he brought up that he took his
grandson to see the movie Light Year back in twenty
twenty too, and I guess he's still thinking about it,
like it's been three years, and that the movie was fine,
(02:06):
but the impact of the moment in the film has
really stuck with him, that two animated women had a child,
and he didn't know how to explain that to his grandson.
Let me read the quote here, so I guess he
was on the podcast is called It's Giving Okay, But
(02:28):
the quote here is they're like, she had a baby
with another woman. Well, my grandson in the middle of
the movie is like, Papa Snoop, how she have a
baby with a woman she's a woman and then snoop
claim of the problem is that quote y'all throwing me
in the middle of this shit that I didn't I
don't have an answer for These are kids. We have
(02:48):
to show, we have to show that at this age
they're going to ask questions. I don't have an answer. Okay,
So this is a very weird stance to me, especially
from a guy who literally has made music about like
having sex with women who are also having sex with
(03:10):
women in a menage a trois sort of situation that's
French for being lucky and and and he's also had
songs about I mean, what's the what's the line, ain't
no fun if the homies can't have none, which is
about having sex with a woman, and then it's great, right,
And then it's fun because your friends also get to
(03:31):
have sex with their hopefully at the same time. Because
that's what's cool with you. That's the exciting part for
you as a man. Okay, Street seems a bit odd
just saying, but do you Is it weird that a
fifty three year old still can't answer a basic question
of how a lesbian couple might have a kid.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It seems odd. Yeah, man, it just is. I mean,
I don't know you even can't. They're adopted, right, I
mean even if you don't want to like acknowledge a
homosexual relationship, they're adopted. How they do that? How they
(04:15):
I guarantee you that kid is like wait, how did
they do that? From like a like It's like right.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
He's asking from a physical perspective, right, not like and
he's not. Look, man, we got kids.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Anybody's ever been around kids knows the kids ask questions
about everything.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Literally, That's how they learn, right, That's how they learn, man,
And it's our job as adults to try our best
to give them answers.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And if not, then you know, we if my son
asked me something that I don't know the answered to,
I say, I don't know what, let's look it up, right,
And let's look it up right then and there so
kids won they learn the answer, and two they learn
to do their own research or whatever, like, especially nowadays
(05:12):
right where you know, we have all the information we
can ever need and make phone calls. I just so
so yeah, it's just kind of it's just kind of odd,
but like not very surprising, you know what I mean?
And not sad yeah, not just because it's Snoop, but
(05:36):
it just the.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Like where we live, the times we live, right, people
are I don't I don't know. I've never I've never
been fixated on same sex relationship. I just yeah, it does.
It doesn't affect me. And look, I know there's gonna
be people who I'm I'm sitting in my house and
in my living room, there's gonna be people are like, yeah,
but there's like a dude there, like right behind you.
(06:02):
What's that all about? Right? Which is hilarious? Right? That
is that's an art piece called the Naked Man. But
it doesn't bother me. It's okay, I not no, But
there're gonna be people in the comment They're gonna be
in the comments, You're like, what's that guy all about?
Like one my wife was in the other room, relaxed everybody.
It's cool. I don't care, but it is just really weird.
(06:24):
Like my daughter is six. I don't know how old
Snoop's grandson was at the time. Clearly a child, right,
My daughter knows that gay people exist and they can
get married and they have kids. Like she went to
she went to a pride parade, and you know what
she thought, hey man, all these rainbows and stuff and
(06:46):
people dancing and having a good time seems pretty cool,
you know what. She didn't think, what do I? What
do I do? Oh my god? How Like, it's not
that serious. You can just tell people just like you
tell you know, and you know, if you see a
child watching a movie and they go, how is a
baby made? Because children ask that too, that's a normal question.
(07:09):
You can say, you know, either adoption depending right, that happens, obviously,
but obviously the more normal response is like, you know,
men and women make babies when they fall in love.
You can just say that you don't. Like, it's very
weird to me that people still have straight people very
much so have this weird thing of like when they
(07:29):
have to explain that gay people exist, that they feel
the need to pretend that they have to give explicit
sexual conversations to children, which is not what anyone is
asking you to do. It's like, well, how is it
how is a man and a woman have a child?
You don't go, well, first you take the penis and
then and then he gets real excited, like you don't
(07:50):
do that, so why do you do that with gay people?
It's not the it's not gay people that are being weird,
and it's not weird that kids are asking you're being
weird because all you can think of is the hyper
sexual details of how people are together. That's the odd part. Snoop,
you are the problem. It's not gay people are the problem.
So I just never understood that, Like for some reason,
(08:13):
they're like, how am I supposed to explain it? Well,
no one is actually asking you to explain the you know,
the details of scissoring or I'm being a tack, or
the details of two men having angle sex. No one
is asking you to do that. You're being fucking weird, right,
So I just I find it strange. I also saw
(08:34):
plenty of people I'm sure they will probably be in
our comments about like, well, what did he say that
was homophobic? The fact that you're like saying, you're throwing
me into the middle of this shit, like it's odd
in twenty twenty five, it's not man like. It's not
odd that people are together who are the same sex.
It's legally, it's been legal for a number of years
(08:56):
for them to be married. It's no longer odd. You're
being odd. Yeah, there is no agenda like No, it
isn't working. What would what would be the point of
the agenda to destroy the human race get a certain point,
like like to convert you like it doesn't like, it doesn't,
(09:21):
it doesn't. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't. It's
a I wish I had access and I'm not in
my office. That just that Joe Buddencliff that came out
a couple of a couple of weeks ago. It's like,
what the fuck is wrong with's all in this room?
Like why do you think you're the type for a
bod nigga? Like they're you're not there type? Why are you?
Why do you have that thought process? It's very strange,
(09:44):
very strange, as as I've heard many gay people say,
like nobody cares more about gay sex than straight homophones.
Like it's just really weird to me. I think about
it all the time. Yeah, it's weird that you think that.
So I'm just Snoop has done a lot of It's
like he had such a massive amount of goodwill for
so many decades. I would argue not I don't think
(10:07):
anyone would make the argue that he's the best rapper
of all time. That would be very strange, but like
he was easily one of the most popular rappers, like worldwide,
everybodys snoop, everybody does, right, I mean he's hanging out
with fucking Martha Stewart for God's sake, right, Like that's
just he has crossed over so many lines in society,
which is good for him, right, but in the last
(10:28):
year he has just managed to really fuck up a
lot of it with you know, playing for Trump at
his inauguration or at what are the inaugural balls or
what have you. To Now, this is like you're supposed
to like you're supposed to be. You're supposed to get
smarter and more savvy as you get older, not less,
(10:48):
certainly not at fifty three. I mean, but then again, yeah,
maybe I'm maybe I'm living in a massive battle. Yeah yeah,
I think maybe I am. As I say that, Yeah, maybe, Like.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Like that's the thing I tell you that, like you're
you know, I look, I don't surround myself with enough idiots,
Like I have a bad sample size.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I think that's one of.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, man, like people get people tend to get a
little more conservative they you know, at least you know
back then, it might it might change now with the millennials,
you know, from millennials going forward.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But uh, yeah, I'm not surprised. I mean, like, the
guy's fifty three, man, he's the people get set in
their ways when they get older and they don't That's
that's the issue, and it's hard.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
For people to change that. Look, am I saying that
like Snoop Dogg hates gay people?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
No? I don't think. No, Yeah, I don't believe. Really,
that would be utterly ridiculous to say that that guy
hates gay Well, here's what I would say. We don't
have any evidence that he us. I'm not gonna he might,
but we don't have any evidence, So I'm not gonna agree.
I'm gonna give him a benefit of the down, right,
I'm not going to jump to that conclusion.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Right, that dude is just like he's probably just really
uncomfortable about it, right, like because he's you know, he's.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
An older guy.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Look, I'll be honest with you, I don't understand how
I don't understand gayness, But like in the same vein
that I don't understand what it's like to be white,
in the same vein that right, right, you just want
to be a woman because I'm not that right, Yeah,
now that makes alltle sense, so but I don't, you know,
(12:41):
but there's something like what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Like how am I supposed to SpongeBob meme? Like how
there's an answer for everything? Man? And you know, how
did this they adopted?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
They like each other a lot and they want to
adopted it.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It's just not that hard, like it's in the middle
of a movie, Like you're in the middle of the movie.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's a movie about a spaceman and his and his
robot cat, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Like like shut up. The acting scene is a one
like what are we talking about? Weird? Right?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, I don't and I can understand, like like you said,
it's I think it's what you said, right, like the
hyper sexualization of it, right, like this what's.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
He's a part of By the way, he's a he
is very much a guilty party in that from his
early music, he's absolutely from his current music, all right.
His last album was like Missionary or something. Oh wow, Okay,
see I haven't been listening to Snoop like his recent
ship Like okay, so we're still still not growing up,
all right, got it?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I mean, you know, and it is what it is, right,
Like I haven't heard it because like I haven't heard it,
but you know, it's just it's you. It's not that hard,
is what I'm saying. And you gotta be able to
know all the lives people exist.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, I don't understand. I just to me, it's it's
so weird. It's so weird that like, yeah, okay, he's
fifty three. I mean he's only in just a few
years older than us. It's not like he's like seventy five, right,
Like we were teenagers listening to his music and he
was in his twenties, right, Like, so it's not it's
(14:30):
not that crazy. It just feels like you grew up
in a time and granted it all depends on who
you're around and where you are and stuff like that,
but like you are essentially a part of the same
generation that we are. You've seen this over time, You've
seen how people were like vehemently against these things, and
(14:50):
that the like that's change your I would argue probably
a lot of the people who've listened to your music
have likely changed on the issue, maybe not fully in support,
but at least like softened on the issue, Like it's
just very weird to be like, this is the thing
I believed in my twenties and thirty years later, I
(15:11):
still believe the same thing. But it's not like I
believe in math. You're believing in like big a trick.
Like it's just very weird to me, or that some
people should be treated differently, or that you cannot understand
how they exist. It's just to me. And granted, people
get more conservative A lot of people do, and get
more stuck in their ways, I will grant you, But
(15:33):
I guess from just a personal perspective, I'm not the
same person I was when I was fucking thirteen, right
like I had because I grew up, you know, being
around in the church and shit like that. I had
homophobic views too when I was a teenager. I'm forty
five years old. I've long grown past that. Like, it's
just very weird to me. I don't know. I wish
(15:54):
people could mature much better. At no point that he
wasn't forced to be like, hey, let's have a conversation
about the lesbian couple in light Year. What's your thoughts, snoop,
And he was like, Oh, I just don't like it
is that cool for your audience, Like how did they
even get on the fucking topic? You know what I mean,
It's like it doesn't make sense, it's not relevant to
anything that he does. So it was clearly a thing
(16:16):
where he was like I have an anecdote, and it's
just like shutting up is free. But I guess I'm
glad you kind of exposed yourself for being kind of
a dumbass about it.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I think they were talking about like going to the movies,
and then for some reason, like that was just stuck
in his brain, like I don't know if I can
go to movies anymore, because you know, just one time,
three years ago, two cartoon ladies had a baby and
(16:47):
someone questioned me about it. Two cartoon ladies in space
with a robot cat next to him had a baby,
and my grandson asked me about it, and I'm like,
I don't know, man.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Like you ain't seen other movies, like you didn't have
any other movie, and well I saw this other movie
was really good. Like that's the thing. And so I
mean when people say, why do they call it homophobia
instead of like an ism, right, you know, I guess
it a rasis, you know, sexism that type of thing
and like why is it a phobia or you're scared
of it? Like this is a pretty good example of that, Like, oh,
(17:24):
I don't know what to say, and I don't know
if I want to go to the movies now, like
I don't want to enjoy entertainment because I might you know,
I happen to run into lesbians again as space cartoons.
Like it's just really weird to me. But I'm sure
there are gonna be people who again who say, why
is this homophobic? Because of the statement of I don't
(17:45):
know if I can go to the movies anymore because
I might have to see gay people in it again
that aren't even real, that are cartoons. How else are
we going to deal with us? Like what other things
in life are you ready to deal with or not
deal with if you can't deal with two lesbians and
a Pixar movie. It's Pixar. It's not going to be
(18:06):
controversial at all, I guarantee. So it's just it's very strange.
It's very People get caught up. People get caught up.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
On the suffix right, people get caught up on the
phobia part where it's like, oh, that means I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I'm not scared of gay No. No, it just means
you have any prejudice, that's it, and you have.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
A and that's that's not good, right because guess what
you know, like gay people don't care about you, Yo.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
They don't, they don't. They don't. Get out of the way.
Just get out of the way.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Just yeah, just get out of the way. They trying
to They same way people, same way. Straight people say
they got gaydar and they can spot gay people. Yeah,
gay people got it better than you. Yeah, get out
of here. Okay, Yeah that right. Maybe maybe they're born
with it. Uh yeah, it's called cadar, like it's that's
it's kind of over there, it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I I guess I'm just largely disappointed in him. Like
we're supposed, like our generation is supposed to we're supposed
to be the ones that you're like, all right, this
shit is stupid, you know what I mean. Like I'm
not expecting that from everybody in our generation, obviously, but
I do find it really sad that these sort of
(19:28):
I mean, you've got people like jay Z who puts
out that like his mom is gay, right, Like there
are people in the industry who're just like, yeah, it's fine,
who gives a shit, you know what I mean? Like,
it's just really weird, Like did Cheney is better on
this issue than Snoop? Is? What a weird fucking world
we live in, right? I Mean it's like that's super
(19:49):
strange to me. So yeah, I think largely, I mean,
diction is a shit, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, Dick Cheney is only cool with it because he
has a relation, of course, I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Was If he didn't, he wouldn't be he was. I
don't like him, right, So but it's it's just to me,
you're ruining this space cat movie. But I just think
I just often think about, like are we missing the
ball on these issues? Like, especially as our generation, especially
(20:22):
as black people. I in weird ways, I almost expect
white people to be the sort of the paragons of homophobia.
Like that makes sense because historically white people have just
kind of shit on anybody who isn't straight white male,
you know, like you've got to fit this little small
(20:42):
group that we're in, So I kind of expect it.
I'm not saying that all white people are homophobic, but
I kind of when when I hear that I'm like
that fucking tracks, of course, But I get so annoyed
and pissed off when I see black people parrot the
same ship that has been blarn parentid against us, Like
that shit drives me crazy. I'm like, you don't hear yourself, Like,
(21:05):
it's just really weird. No, it would be the same
thing if this was fifty years ago or seventy five
years ago and Snoop's grandson was like watching they're watching
a movie or you know, a real to reel or
some shit, and they're just like, hey, how is this
like black person in this white person together and having
(21:27):
a baby. It's like, I don't have an answer for that, Like,
you sell, that's the same argument. Like it's the same
fucking argument it And if you ask somebody would that
be weird? They would say, yeah, that's weird and dumb,
same issue, Like it's it's not different. So it just
it's very disappointing to me when I see us unable
(21:49):
to sort of progress, especially all the shit that we
don't through that it's crazy to Yeah, I don't Yeah
silliness all right, So next week we will We'll be
back with a full episode on Brother again that is
on Netflix and Prime, so check that out and we
will see you guys back for episode two eighty six. Bye.
(22:10):
So yeah yeah, yeah yeah
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