Sinners (REVIEW): Assimilation Vs. Freedom | Ep283 - Black on Black Cinema - Black Movie Reviews

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
No, I didna hear a lesson about the villains.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Right now, don't find the last down before me.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Change and let's wrap the chase on it. You know.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hello, and welcome to a brand new episode of Black
on Black Cinema. I'm your host, Jay. I'm here with
my co host michaeh. Hey, Terrence, what's up? Antiar?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (00:31):
All right, guys, we are back. This is episode two
eighty three. Sinners, of Course, is the twenty twenty five
horror film. I'll read the log line here. Trying to
leave their troubled lives behind, twin brothers return to their
hometown to start again, only to discover that an even
greater evil is waiting to welcome them back. This is

(00:51):
obviously directed and written by Ryan Coogler. Sorry, Michael B.
Jordan and Michael B. Jordan, Miles Canton and Saw Williams,
amongst many others. I thought it was pretty great. I
think that's probably the sentiment for all of us, to
be honest, I don't think that's that's that controversial. Yeah,

(01:12):
I just kind of want to get into it, so
I don't want to give two too much away. I
have seen some commentary, like Michael, you sent me that,
like the heavy spoilers breakdown, which I thought was really interesting,
like a lot of sort of the historical stuff. I
feel like there's one part that I haven't seen a
lot of people talk about, so I'm interested to dig
into it. But yeah, I mean, once again, Ryan Cougler

(01:34):
does not disappoint and him and Michael B. Jordan have
not made a bad movie together yet. So yeah, I
thought it ten out of ten. To be honest, I'll
go to Micah next.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, these uh, I think that guy knows what he's doing.
I think both of them know what they're doing. Ryan
Kougler is has kind of is kind of elevating himself
to be one of the pre eminent directors in how
would Michael B. Jordan? You know, I always thought that
Michael B. Jordan was a good actor, but in this, uh,

(02:11):
this kind of shows me that he's a really great actor.
He plays this dual role very very well, to the
point where you feel like these are two different people,
uh in this film, and you forget that it's one
guy playing uh, playing two roles. The rest of the

(02:33):
cast is rest cast is really great. The story is
simple enough to get you interested on a on a
base level, and it has it's everyone says, you know,
it's like an onion, and uh, it is. It's got
layers and there's things here that if you are paying attention,

(03:01):
or if you are aware, or if you're even just curious,
you can look up and find hidden meanings of certain things.
Like everything is deliberate, even even like certain song choices,
everything is deliberate. And yeah, this is this is Ah,
this is really great Ryan Ryan Coogler has mastered the.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Idea of.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Incepting cultural identity into genre film. And uh, it's really
great to see.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah your thoughts, Yeah, I mean, I'm probably gonna give
more as we as we talk about the movie. It's
partly one of my favorite films ever I saw I had.
I felt like I had to see it more than
once in theaters. Like I think the first time I
saw it in the no Talk, No Text theater, and

(04:00):
I hadn't seen many trailers before it came out, so
the only thing I knew was that it was just
about about Michael Jordan playing a dual role in Vampires,
but I knew nothing else. I think the first viewing
made me made me tier up a bit, particularly with
Delta Slim's character especially, and we'll we'll get to we'll

(04:23):
get to to a certain scene later. But there was
but there was something about that scene that was so
uniquely black that you needed a black director. Only a
black director could have could have could have done that.
And it reminded me of what Denzel mentioned when it
came to like is it culture versus like talent, and

(04:45):
we gave an interview about who can direct what this is?
This is that Yeah, yeah, I love the metaphor of
vamphorism for for freedom, but but for always comes at
a cost. And also I think it's debatable on how

(05:07):
you see the endings for for each character, Like do
you think that it's a happy ending, a tragic ending,
or a bittersweet maybe maybe all of it. I go,
I think it's a bit more bittersweet for me. And
then of course there's something in this movie that's probably
one of the best UH film scenes I think I've

(05:30):
ever seen, with with the music and just the connectivity
of black culture past present in future. Miles Cayden, I
didn't realize this. This is his first role ever, so
good job, good job to him, and that boy can
sing like I didn't realize he was also like a
child prodigy singer too, So that's that that that little
little boy can get down and then look and I

(05:55):
should I should have started with this massacu. Oh my god,
y'all have no idea how obsessed I am with this woman,
Like doing the press tour for Sinner, she like every
single look that she had. That woman is gorgeous. And
there's something to be said about how sexuality is is

(06:17):
displayed without being gratuitous or vulgar, and also centers the women,
and especially having a dark skin, thick black woman being
the love interest of one of these characters. And I
think I think some of the responses to people thinking
that that she was Michael B. Jordan's mother says a

(06:37):
lot about how we view dark skin, who said, yeah,
there are there are people who thought that.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Gives good hugs and she can cook and this that
and the other.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
God damn yeah and yeah and and like that's the
same age and in real life. And I think people
need to really wrestle with why they felt like Hailey Steinfeld,
who also did a really good job, was more suited
to be Michael B. Jordan's love interest in Muscle so
some people, including black folks, who who who just could

(07:17):
not believe that women muscacle was not someone's vanny.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
These were black people saying this.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
I had a few black folks they're they're out there.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Particular video I saw one particular in one video in
particular where I was like he just the guy was
rating the women of Love of Love Country of this
movie of Sinners, and like, you know, they were like
the Asian woman's gorgeous, what's the name is gorgeous?

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Pearline was fine, and Annie she looks like she gives
warm hugs. I was like it was a niggas. I
was like, really bro. First of all, like.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, not to not to you know, not to be
crass about it. I thought all the women in this movie,
we're O very good. Yeah. I was like there is
something for everybody. Like it didn't bother me at all.
I like it where you showed up in the.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
But there was something else about I thought this movie
was so well done. Is it's because of the setup,
Like they really took time to to make you care
about every single character and feel like you're part of
this community. So when so when the horror actually happens,
and it happens pretty like not for like an hour
or so, but when it does happen, you do care

(08:42):
about what happens, to eat to each in one of them. Yeah,
it's a fantastic movie. I'm really glad I got to
see it, and I'm at especially from from my second viewing.
I love I love the music in it. I love
I don't really have anything negative to say. Oh Michael B.

(09:03):
Jordan's duh comment on him too? Yeah, So did y'all
know Michael Jordan's actually kind of fine? Like this movie.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
I was like, wow, like I had I had.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Like he's always yeah right, I mean like he's always
been like he's always been really good looking obviously, like
I can see why people like fall overrom but like
for me, like I don't know, there was something that
I was.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Like because it was double your pleasure, double your fun
in this.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Who's who's more your type? Who's more your type? Smoke
or Stacked?

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I figured I figured. I figured Smoke would be the
one because you are you are grown, and Smoke has
real like like I'm gonna he's got like real man's man.
He's got big dick energy for for.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Like I'm a handle business. Yes he did.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
I think I think it has more to do with, oh,
this guy's so attractive. Look how he just mows down
all these clients. Because for me that was I'm just taking.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
A back and like is never he's never been here
and shooting people who shooting people who steal from him.
But also his trust in Annie, like and just like
his even though he may not believe in the stuff
that she believes in, he believes in her. He loved
that woman, so yes, it would be smoke. But also
think it's because maybe michaeld be Jordan's a little older now,

(10:29):
think he's almost forty, and like there's like this, I
don't know, he looks like he put on like a
little bit of like grown man wait too, so yeah, yes, yeah,
and yes he's all right, he getting.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
You know, he's getting what women think dad bod is right,
he got a sixth pack. They they imagine that dad
bod is Look Henry Campbell dad bod right.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, Kevin James has a dad bod Okay, that's what.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, I mean, that's I mean, I don't I don't
need I don't on me like super super ripped. I'm
not whatever like it takes a lot to maintain that.
Sure whatever, but if like if Mike Ubi Joronda got
Little Guy even a little bit more softer in this
next orld Man anyway, but no, he.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
But unobjectified people on this episode, on the on this show,
I'm not objectifying.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
I'm complimenting.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Okay, I'm going to people.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
It's fine when men do it, it's different.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
But like he's come so far as as an actor.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
And his career has been really good.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Actually, and I and I and I still don't feel
like he's hit his peak into to what he can do.
I think this is just the best one, but I
think he and Ryan Cooler can can do even even
better than this. Was just was just saying a lot
shout out to my girl, Parl Pearline, who's married and
walked him out and the girl you were beautiful as

(11:53):
what's his name says? So oh no wait, I'm sorry
one more thing, but I get it. I probably would
not go outside. But if Bo was like a I
got I got the car.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, so you look, don't take that trip all right,
like you know you don't. You don't listen too well
like that Nigga's a vampire but the cars Bo was
so fine. Well he got what he deserved in the end.
Terrence your thoughts, Yeah, I would.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
I would just basically echo what everybody else said. This
movie is amaking. This movie basically shows that when you
let black people do what the fuck they want to do,
they knock it out of the park, right, Like, this
movie is awesome. Ryan Coogler is an elite elite director.
Like I think we can put him up there as
an elite director. He's five out of five. Ain't miss yet,

(12:49):
Michael B. Jordan, Like you said, I always have a
like a is he really good? Because sometimes his performances
be like real samey to me. No, you forget that
he's playing two characters in this movie, Like it's it's
just a cliche, but it's true, Like he is literally
playing two characters and you can he has like they
have subtle differences.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
He's great.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
The women in this movie are just fine, right, Yes,
a great movie. It's just there's nothing to me, there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Wrong with it.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
And I love the fact that that.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Ryan Coogler is a nigga, Like I love he's such
a great director. But like when you hear him talk
about his craft, he's just like a dude from the Bay, right.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't gold switch or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
And that's I love. Like I remember watching an interview
with him, and I think it was Daniel Klulia. But
when they did you Just in the Black Socia, he
like produced that or something like that, didn't.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
He Yeah, mistake.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
I'm pretty sure they had a they did like a
like a podcast together and they were just like talking
about film and I'm like, it's think it's like thirty
four years old, right, and he's just knocked. He just
knocked all of these movies out of the park. And
like just listening to him talk, he sounds like fucking
like forty just talking about movies. It's just it's such

(14:05):
a weird thing. But it shouldn't be right like they
have you. It's just to me, like I.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Just love it.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Just the fact that this thirty seven year old dude,
it's just one of the best act one of the
best directors.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Yeah, like thirty six, thirty seven years old man. Yeah,
it's just.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
It's his knowledge on film is just crazy. And just
the fact just that he sounds the way he sounds.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
It's just awesome.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
But back to the movie.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, it's really it's it's the ten of Coats effect, right, Yeah,
like he's never getting away from Like yeah, that's He's
Baltimore exact. I've heard it.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah exactly, it's the same thing. Yeah, man, I it's
simple yet deep, right, you can find whatever you're looking
for in this movie, especially if you're black.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, it's it's great.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
That's all I gotta say. That's just that's really well.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
There's there's so much, like I I feel like there
there's there's probably gonna be so much we will miss
in this episode. Like you said, they're like, Michael, you
sent you sent me this Heavy spoilers is a YouTube
channel and then the guy goes through like a bunch
of historical references and stuff like I don't know any
of these things, like all the stuff on the Irish side,

(15:19):
all the stuff on the African side. Like there's just
so many things that that can be tied to, like
very and and not just kind of guesses like very
specific things being shown. It was. It was pretty impressive, honestly.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
Look, I think like and Ryan Coo wrote this and
like that I think might be a genius. There's certain
people that come along, it's like, Yeah, that motherfucker is
might be a genius though, like to write this and
to put all of that in the in this movie
for you to like dig into.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, and it's not like you can't wait, Well, I
know he's working on a he's working on a movie
with Jordan about like I don't know, like school testing
or something like that where Jordan I think play's a
teacher or something like that, which will be interesting as well. Yeah,

(16:09):
I'm just curious as to like how you how you
write a film like this, write and direct a film
like this in such a short amount of time, because
it's not like when when get Out came out, like
Jordan Peele had been working on that script for like
eight years. I remember him saying something, right, So it's
like that movie is heavily laced with all sorts of

(16:30):
messaging and stuff like that. But you can understand how
like if you're working on a script for eight years,
you're like you're writing and you're like, all right, well
I want to put these things in like you you
have more time. But like there's no indication that he
wrote this movie over like six years like fairly recent, right,
Like like in the normal scheme, you know, maybe two
three years of thinking ideas and getting it going so

(16:51):
amongst doing other movies and producing other things at the
same time. So it's just incredibly billion.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
Yeah, yeah, he's a billion dollars. He's directed a movie
that made a billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I was watching some of the I was watching some
of the special features on the digital release, and he
was talking about the process of making it and how
the movie kind of came to him and when it did,
he only had a couple months to turn in a
script and he was just you know, because it, you know,

(17:27):
he Black Panther willkind Of Forever was completed in twenty
twenty two, and this movie came out this year, and
it takes a long time to make a movie, guys,
and him and his wife and co producer, you know,
she was like, yeah, he was really into it, and

(17:47):
one of his other producers were like, okay, if you
want to pitch this movie, like we got to see something.
And he did it in like a couple of months,
and his wife was like, I couldn't believe he did
it right, which kind of lends credence to the fact
that like, yeah, Termes is right, Like this dude might
be a genius. Now it was a very personal story

(18:08):
for him, and you know he is pulling from that.
But to be able to get a script, and like,
making a movie is very very difficult because there's so
many different factors and so many hands that have to

(18:30):
come and so many eyes that have to see it.
And there's a lot of trust because there's a whole
lot of money that's being put on the table to
make a movie. And the fact that this dude who
sounds the way he sounds and makes the movies that
he makes.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
And looks the way he looks by the way looks
the way he looks.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
And employees not just casts, but employs a rainbow coalition
of people to get something done. It's a minor miracle, yo, Like,
and I hope this opens the door for more people
of color to be able to tell stories. But you know,

(19:20):
and they see that, like, because that's that's the thing
with like big companies and big corporations. They don't really
give a shit, like if it makes money and if
something if one thing hits, then you know people are
gonna try and copy it. Right deep impact and am
getting right like stuff like that happens. So that's kind
of what I hope this turns into with the with

(19:42):
the runaway success that this film has been. Yeah, man, say.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
They're gonna take the wrong lessons away from it. I
don't know what wrong lesson is going to be because
the movie is so good, but like they usually always fuck.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Up, well, I'll say.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
But niggas in horror movies, that'll be the less And also,
let this be a one story.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
I don't I don't need a sequel to so he's.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Already said that there's no sequel. I think the only
thing I'll probably would be interested is just learning more
about the Native Americans at the beginning. But other than that,
I don't need anything else from this. This was, this
was fine. Let this Let this be it.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yeah, yeah, we don't need an extended universe. We don't
need all that. Don't do that.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
I don't know. We'll get into it. C remic and
everything like that, and the choice to make him irish
and oh yeah, stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
So okay, before before we get into it, I'm actually
there is a thing tr that you said earlier, and
this is the thing that I found interesting and maybe
maybe I just have not read enough of other people's
thoughts on it. You said that you thought that you
took it as vamporism was sort of an allegory for freedom, right.

(21:04):
I like, like, when I'm watching that, when I'm watching
that movie, there's a movie that I haven't seen. I
didn't have a chance to watch it, unfortunately. Again but
before this, but there's a movie that I'm surprised people
have not mentioned that this movie is similar to which
is Ganga and Hesse Right, this is that's a nineteen
seventy three movie, like Spike Lee did a remake of it,

(21:24):
The Sweet Blood of Jesus or whatever, which it wasn't successful,
But like, I'm surprised because that's what to me, that
movie and this movie have a similar thing, which is
vamporism being an analogy for assimilation. Like I just I
was shocked that that it wasn't mentioned in all the
things that I had seen, that nobody had mentioned that movie.

(21:46):
Like I felt like the whole idea was join up
in this thing, don't you know, we'll take your culture,
We'll just bring it all in, like you just joined this,
you know, this sort of melting pot. Just don't worry
about it, right, like even their idea of once you
become a vampire, you know everybody's thoughts, right, like you
just can you you lose. I was just surprised that

(22:09):
was the deal.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
That the that the Irish had to kind of earn
their whiteness exactly was to assimilate, right, And that's kind
of one of I mean, the vampirism can be can
mean many things in this movie.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, no, I'm not so much. I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying I'm shocked at that movie Gang. It
has wasn't mentioned when people talk.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
About it, actually when I'm not I mean, like sorry,
the illusion of freedom because because I think they're there
are questions about like, well, what do you what are you?
What are you giving up? I mean like not only
just your in humanity, but you're part of this new
clan uh pun intended like you're doing You're doing this

(22:50):
new new group. But at what cost? And who? And
actually who found true freedom at the end? Like was
it was it Mary and Stack? Was it Smoke and Annie?
Was it Sammy at the end? Because because the one
thing that vampiorism does in this case, it takes away
your choice.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Yeah, but you yeah, technically smoked and you know he's
stuck to what his fucking brother told him not to
do or.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Stack kept his wordy, Yeah, he did keep.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
So it was kind of like, was it Remick that
was controlling them or you know, as long as he
was we'll get into as long as he was around,
like they had to do what the fuck he said,
but Smoke didn't do. He was like, okay, bet I
got you. Like was the love for his brother so
strong that he's like, I'm just gonna listen to what
this nigga says and just like, you know, keep my
word for a hundred years for like seventy five years.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Which was dope. But you know, so I don't know,
there's plenty of other I guess it's all right, so
let's get into it. So the movie opens in what
year is it? It's like, I don't know, fucking two,
nineteen thirty two, and we see Sammy going to this

(24:10):
is the Great Depression has already started?

Speaker 5 (24:12):
Correct? Great Depression started in twenty nine?

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Right? Yeah? Yeah, so for black people it doesn't feel work.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
We're right in the Great Depression, but like niggas don't
feel like the Great what like we stay in depression.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
White people ain't got no money. That's crazy. Wow, welcome,
would you like to eat a can of beans that
we can need for thirty years? So yeah, you see Sammy.
This is sort of they're playing the end of the movie,
or partially close to the end of the movie at
the beginning here, and you see Sammy going to the church.

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His father's is the pastor played by Saul Williams, who
is a very famous artist and a musician, and so
he was he's like, listen, you know, basically, look, you
gotta get rid of the guitar. Let go of this
music that Sammy's holding this partially a part part of

(25:05):
a guitar. And he's like, you know, basically like join
the church, like you know, leave the sin alone, right,
And and then that's then it cuts to one day earlier,
like the entire movie happens in just one day, which
is also pretty interesting. I thought, we see we see
him doing like share cropping. They're like quite literally picking cotton.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
In nineteen thirty two. Keep it real, that's just like,
let's not forget just because slavery was ending, it wasn't
didn't mean that they weren't still picking in the nineteen nine,
in nineteen thirty two.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Yeah, people, people seem to think it had ended in
eighteen before. That's not how that works, right, You just
got paid in wooden nickels, congratulation.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
And share in sharecropping. I mean, it was just was
just slavery by by another name. You were in debt
to the landowners, and sometimes even just because like I mean.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
You probably didn't do you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Or you could be like, well here, like I'm keeping
on my end of the bargain, do your pardon and
wife would just be like what do you mean? No,
absolutely not. My grandfather was a sharecropper really, not even
eighty wow.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
So yeah, yeah, And again it's not like it ended
in nineteen thirty two either, right, like you know, like yeah,
but people's concept of American history is wild, like slavery
happened seven thousand years ago, Like no, no, it don't, No,
it didn't.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Abraham Lincoln was shot one hundred and sixty years ago,
right like it was just like it's two, what's the joke?

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Louis c. K tells that, like, oh, slavery was four
hundred years ago, Like no, it very much wasn't it's
two old ladies living and dying back to back. It's
not that long ago, Like, it's just not that long.
So then we see uh Smoke and Stack obviously twin
brother played by Michael B. Jordan, and they're they're meeting
this uh, this white dude to buy this this old

(27:07):
barn or old slaughterhouse excuse me, saw mill. And you know,
he's like clearly a shady dude. He's got a gun
on him and also other ship and you for the
first time you when you meet them, you know, they're
they're like, oh, did you did you clean these floors
or what have you? Sort of getting at least for me,

(27:28):
this implication of like there was blood on the floor
from what reason. I mean, you could take a guess,
but they kind of just you know, kind of leave
it there. And you, you know, as this guy is,
as this guy is like kind of talking ship to them,
you can watch Stacks slowly slide behind the guy and
put his hand on his knife, and it's just like, oh, like,

(27:51):
are they gonna murder this dude right here? Because that's fine.
I feel like he probably deserves it. I don't know
anything about this guy, but he probably deserves it.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
H I saw an interview that Ryan did and they
had they had twins. They had consultants on who were
twins right, consultants on how twins would act right, And
he said that they either he knew or the consultants

(28:18):
told him a story, and he said, this is how
like twins fight, right, They fight like raptors basically right
where one person focuses your attention while you lose track
of the other one, and the other one comes up
behind you, and like like that's how they were to operate.
That's the inspiration for this particular scene.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yeah, I mean, like I have to imagine it would
be terrified for that guy, like, wait, where the where'd
the other one goes? Like you and danger girl, Like
they don't kill him unfortunately for now, And he smoke
delivers his line. He was like, listen, now, understand, and uh,

(29:00):
this is all the money we're gonna pay you for
this mill, not a fucking dome more. And if any
of your clan buddies cross our line, uh, like across
our property line, we will kill them where they stand.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
Yeah, It's like yad damn it could.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
It's ntil nineteen thirty two, not the seventies. So yeah,
he's like the clan don't exist anymore. Okay, okay, all right, buddy,
more on that later. So then we see we see
Sammy going to see his dad at that church. This
is this is obviously a day earlier and from the

(29:38):
beginning of the movie, and his dad is asking him
to recite First Corinthians ten thirteen. I don't know something
about God or whatever.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Their wings are good.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Oh shit, that that's a that's a deep cut. That's
all the more deep cuts. You really are. No, I
swear to good. I mean there wings are.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Thirteen.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
It says no temptation or there have There has no
temptation taking you, but such as as common to man.
But God is faithful, who will not suffer you to
be tempted above ye are able, but will with the
temptation also make a way to escape that you may
be able.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
To bear it cool the Bible.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
So I guess it means no temptation has overtaken you
except what And God is faithful. He would not let
you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when
he will, he will provide a way out so you
so you can endure.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
It is there like a is there like a Bible
for dummies, like just like plain language Bible.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yes, there is. It's called the Good News Translation.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Yeah, not the life that when you read.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yes, it is like because like all this fun like enough,
it's hard enough for me to buy a lot of this, right,
and if you're going to start using there thou and
they like.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Just get to it.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Give me a good News translation and then I'm speak English.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
The Good News translation it's.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Like translated to like the Lord don't give you nothing.
He can't you know, he don't think you can handle
some ship.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Is that what I mean?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's plain language basically, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
What I need. Look, I read enough Shakespeare in high school.
Maybe I would have been into religion a little bit more.
People just like, don't go over there. Don't have a
pork pull pork sandwich. I'd be like, all right, I
got it, like some categories on porn hub art for you,
all right, I got it. I got all that, I
got all the information, all right, figured it out, thanks Jesus.

(31:48):
So so they pick up smoking Stack, they pick up
Sammy from his dad. Uh, and they're like, yeah, we
were returning them in one piece. Don't worry about it. Okay,
technically they may Tactically they weren't lying, right, So he's
excited because like they're back. They're back from like Chicago area.

(32:10):
They both fought in the First World War, but they're back.
They were in Chicago for a while. By the way,
apparently the reasons for the different colors that they're wearing
red and blue is tied to Italian and Italian and French.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
So the colors the colors are because Ryan Coogler directed
Ruthie Kathy, the woman who did the clothing design for
Black Panther. He directed her like, this is an American story.
I want like red, white and blue motifs, right, And
so that's where the colors come from the actual style
of the suit. Smoke is wearing a suit reminiscent of

(32:56):
what the Irish would wear, and Stack is wearing something
reminition of what the Italians would wear, right, which is
also why they have the very specific alcohol that they have,
by the way, Iran.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Beers and and uh so like the Irish and Italian mob.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Yeah like that because they I mean they even referenced
Capone at one point. Yeah, so then you know they
they clearly they they brought a truck up from or
down from Chicago and they take Sammy to it. They
uncovered and there's a there's a snake in it, which

(33:35):
is you know, obviously like a biblical you know reference
that sort of thing. And so they have this really
cool moment where Stack throws the knife to smoke just
to look cool as ship, and then they killed the snake.
It was just a dope. Sings was just very cool.
Also kind of showing off the twin effect. I have

(33:56):
to imagine, like them passing ship back and forth, like
the cigarette smoking and stuff like that. Like it just
looks flawless. I mean, you know twin effects and movies
before one always looked slightly different, like the color grade
was off, you remember, like in the eighties and like, oh,
there's two of us. It's like, well, this is clearly
a weird mirrored effect.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Or they're standing way too far apart rights split screen.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Yeah, I don't think this is real, right, But in this,
you know, they get to show it off a little bit,
which is cool. I mean, honestly, if I didn't know
who Michael B. Jordan is, I would just be like,
does he just have a twin, Like, how the funk
would I know? You know what I mean? Like, there's
nothing about the CGI between the two of them that
gives it away at all, except for the handshake type

(34:47):
of thing that they do. They purposely only show one
when they like hug, they only show one of one
of their faces. It's like, that's clearly a body double.
But again, how would you know that other one's body doubles?

Speaker 5 (34:59):
Some I think he had they built a rig like
Michael B. Jordan would rig. He had a whole bunch
of cameras around his head, and then they would just
like superimpose his face on a body double from town
to town, like they'd like. There was like four different
things that they did for this whole twin effect about
this movie, it's pretty dope.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah, looks pretty flawless to me. So they take the
truck into town again. They have Irish beer and Italian
wine in this truck. It's all covered. Smoke goes over
to he like like he's talking to this girl, trying
to negotiate with her, and and he like he negotiates

(35:38):
like a better deal for her, right, so she would
watch the truck. He goes into this local store. It's
run by Chinese immigrants, which is to me a you know,
an interesting telling of like Chinese American story, you know,
them being brought when slavery ended, a lot of Chinese

(35:58):
immigrants came over her because they need somebody to do
cheap labor, build the railroads, that sort of thing. I mean,
it's true. And so there's a difference between how Smoke
deals with her the husband and then he's waiting on
the wife who was also at the other store. Apparently

(36:19):
the street is divided by the.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Way, so one half of the street is white only
and the other half is blacks only. And at one
point we see Smoke go into the black only store
and to meet with Bo and and he's like hey go.

(36:44):
Bo's like, hey, go get your mother. And we see
this one shot of her like crossing the racial divide
to pick up, to pick up, to go grab the
mom and have the mom put over from the white
side to the black side. They said in some of
the behind the scenes features that Bo was directed to

(37:09):
speak a little more plainly and what is what is
the wife's character's name, Grace? Grace. Throughout the film, she
and in the beginning she starts to speak a little
more proper because she has to deal with with white people.

(37:32):
She basically code switches throughout the move like because she
you know, when she starts to go down, it's you know,
come on in, motherfuckers. And yeah, it was. It was
to illustrate. It was to illustrate the fact that that
the Asian immigrants can kind of.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Code switch. They could tow the.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Line they have they have they have the quote unquote
luxury to kind of assimilate because of the color of
their skin. It's sill not white, but like they're not niggas, right, yeah, right,
so they can they can serve these white folks across
the street.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, yeah, And and that's and there's actually a really
good documentary on the on the Chinese settlers in the
Mississippi Delta, and what you'll see is that the streets
were just like that, so having a white side and
and a black side, and they sound exactly just like
how bow and graced it. And right, like, because of

(38:38):
the social hierarchy there, they were quite literally in the
middle and including when it came to like things like education,
so they tried so they had to have their own
own schools because white people would not let them anywhere
anywhere near there. But at the same time, they will
only so associated with black people, but only so much so.

(38:59):
One of the one of the uh things that I
saw online a lot, And I know we'll get into
this when we get to the come on, come On
in Motherfucker's part of the movie, which is about black
and Asian relations and against white supremacy. There are a
lot of people who hated Grace for for what she

(39:20):
did and thought and thought it was about white but
her trying to.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Bad media literacy is what.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
I know.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
That's insane. But she's distraught, like her, they cover her mouth,
she's like freaking out. Her reason for doing it is
because he tells her he's going to kill her daughter.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
But the means the means if I show you this,
that means I'm up to fuck everything up type ship.
And they showed Grace. You know, yeah, I've seen.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
It, But that that makes me really fucking mad. That's
so fucking stupid to me.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
But what but what I thought was really clear was
that bo and Grace were very we're still very much
part closer to the black community than they could ever
be to white community. Just given their general comfort around
around Smoke and and then you can assume stack and
and also and also to remember that at this point,
no one had seen these twins in like in almost

(40:25):
a decade. So so for them that had these roots
into community and have bow and smoke had that kind
of rapport with each other, I think says a lot
about bo and Grace's uh integration into into that community,
even though they could not be obviously completely within it,
because I'm pretty sure from a self interest point of view,

(40:47):
they had to kind of maintain a certain uh level
of behavior. But still, I just thought it was obvious
that if you had to include in that community, they
were definitely part of it.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like a lot of people
don't realize and this happens in It happens for a
number of reasons, sort of liked in the modern era
as well. I think a lot of people don't realize
the connections black folks have had to other communities in
the United States, like historically, Like they only look at
what's happening in like twenty twenty five, and they're like,

(41:20):
that's the way it's always been, Like, No, that's not
true at all, Like the connection between Jews and Blacks
was pretty strong until the eighties, right, like, and then
crack fucked up a lot and destroyed those two communities
connection to each other. Right, And then I'm not saying,
you know, one's response is you know, correct or whatever.
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, like, historically those
things that happen, the connection between the Asian community and

(41:43):
black people has been radically changed too, because again, they
were brought in to do the jobs that they could
not force black people to do anymore. Right, they had
connections for a reason, right, So stop looking at twenty
twenty five when you were watching you know, not that
you can't consider those things, but don't watch movies from

(42:06):
nineteen thirty two and just being like just ignoring these things,
like historically these things are these connections existed.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
So yeah, and so I can't remember what the documentary
is called. I think it was like on PBS or something.
But a lot of the folks who a lot of
Chinese who came to the city Delta, like you said,
they were doing a lot of the jobs that the
black people were not going to do for free anymore.
Even though a lot of them, you know, youve know,
a lot of black hoops became share coppers, but a

(42:36):
lot of them did end up opening grocery stores at
that time, and that was that was kind of how
they had to make their living and shadow between between
both worlds. And I just think that people kind of
missing a lot of that context. So just missing that
context is kind of taking away some of the messages

(42:56):
I think of the movie. And I know Ryan Cooley
even mentioned that, like he was a little disappointed in
some of the criticism that Grace received because because that's
because that wasn't his that was not his intentions.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
It's because people because people are cutting that story in
her performance or that character's performance, they're cutting it with
shit in their own head. It has nothing to do
with what they saw. That's how you can just.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Cutting it with with like Chinese person rants or like
corner stores in black communities exactly, that's what they're thinking.
That's what they're thinking, because like we've talked about that before, right,
like they give they give the Asian people loans to
get to open up stores, but in black neighborhoods to
kind of fuck with us, right, which you take what
you can get as a as an immigrant and like

(43:39):
our relationships aren't the best at this point in time.
You know what I'm saying in the world now, But
like that's the lens that they're seeing it through instead
of like, hey, they were at this juke joint with
us for like five hours just they cooked for us. Yeah,
they got paid, but it was fifteen bucks to the
design and they got paid to cook and it was
having fun with us and all this other shit, and
all of a sudden and Nigga's like, yeah, I'm going

(44:00):
to kill your mother. I'm going to kill your daughter.
And that's her fault that she flipped the funk out.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I got your husband already, and I'm gonna go get
your daughter. Like the Star Wars, like the.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Daughter wouldn't let a stranger in, but like it's her husband, right,
that's that's her dad. She would easily open, like come in, dad,
Like why the fuck didn't they think? That doesn't anyway,
that don't make.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
And like your example is correct. People being mad at
star Lord in Infinity. Oh yeah, he flipped out because
you killed his girlfriend. Like yeah, he wasn't thinking rashly,
why would he do that? Oh I don't know. Man.
If someone murdered. Your girlfriend would be like, Okay, does
that happening. It's cool, fun, don't worry about it, Like, no,
you lose your mind. And I feel like, you know,
for media, literacy is a choice.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Even and even though this is entertainment, I do think
movies are can be educational quick spark people to to
go look up things that they haven't been exposed to.
And I felt like the inclusion of the Mississippi Chinese
UH or Delta Chinese community was so import because we've
I've never seen this, like I've never seen it. It's

(45:05):
not and it's not even something I grew up learning about,
so to because like when you learn about you know,
Jim Jim Crow South and it's in are the way
that we teach about black history already is are pretty sanitized.
But but but we don't really consider other ethnic groups
in this time period. So so I really liked that

(45:29):
that he was able to include it because it made
me more interested in learning more about Like, Okay, what
is it like to be East Asian? You you have,
you have your own culture, but now you're you're still
really Southern. You speak like a Southerner, but yet do
you maintain your your own traditions when trying when trying
to assimilate here, Like it's just that there's a lot there,
and I think the responses were very TikTok short, not

(45:54):
well thought out responses, which I to say, like this is,
you know, kind of representative of why we're here, you know, now, yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
And it's you should be like you should watch this movie,
and like I feel like if you're not good at
especially in media literacy, but maybe you don't realize you're
bad at it, you should watch this movie and then
just shut up for a second. Like the problem is,
I feel like people are trying to come up with
hot takes while they're watching the movie, and you miss

(46:28):
so much one, especially a movie like this, because they're like,
if you're if you only concentrated on what she said,
like come in, motherfuckers, then you clearly miss literally what
happened three seconds before that, right, Like he literally tells
her what he's going to do to her daughter. It's
a pretty obvious one, right, But there's so much layered
shit in this movie. If you're trying, if you're concentrating

(46:49):
on so like, if you're only focusing on the surface
level of things, you're missing. What I would argue is
like ninety percent of the movie is just so multi layered.
So yeah, it's it's it's ununyeh uh.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
We'll get to Mary and Stack because some some people
had some thoughts about Marta.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
I'm sure they can't wait.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Because again it made like from doctor.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
My.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
But yeah, there there was some stuff about Hailey Steinfeld
the actress, Marry the character and Mary A Stack in
their relationship that I just did not agree with.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Oh you know what, let's get to that. I can't
wait to hear this horseship all right, all right, so
they people are so ridiculous, so they so he made
so Smoke makes a deal with with Grace about the
sign just make the signs and everything.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Right.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
We see Stack with Sammy in the car, where a
running theme in this movie is uh, go down on
your girl.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Ryan Coogler is like just so y'all thigg of no, yeah,
find that button, like knock it off. Ryan Coogler is
the anti DJ Khaled. Apparently he actually please a woman
and so he's like, look he Stacked. Lets Sammy know
that like their dad smoking, Stack's dad was like abusive

(48:16):
and that Smoke actually killed their dad, which is also
a kind of a big deal, and that that guitar
that he has is actually his dad their dads, which is,
you know, another layered bit of like trauma being used
in this other you know, trying to use this sort
of a traumatic character or traumatic arc being used in

(48:36):
this sort of positive way. So then he asked Sammy
while they're while they're driving, like, all right, you say
you can play? Like, all right, let's see what you
can do. And he starts to starts to play the
guitar and sing, and I was like, Michael B. Jordan's
response is like, oh shit, Like god, Sam yes, same
as mine. I'm like, what the fun is nigga?

Speaker 5 (48:57):
Like, he's like eighteen years old with that voice. I'm like,
this don't make no fun con sense. Not only does
he have that voice, but he taught himself how to
play the guitar for this movie.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Really wow, he.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
Didn't know how to play the guitar before this movie.
So he's like, fuck it, I bet I got you.
And this niggas a prodigy. Yeah, niggas are awesome. Yeah,
black people are awesome. I don't know. This movie just
shows that we're kind of dope, just in general.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
I mean, wow, I did not know that about him
playing guitar. That's because that's Jesus. I mean, his voice
is remarkable, like it really is. I was like, wow,
I feel.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
Like that was probably like a genuine like reaction from
Michael Beach.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
I wouldn't like, don't say until that, Yeah, that was amazing.
That didn't look like acting.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
It didn't look like acting. It looked like he was
like genuinely like.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Yo, this nigga, Wow, incredible what.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
It was dubbed? But I'm not gonna lie. I thought
I thought they dubbed his voice with somebody else's at first.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
I mean, I see why anyone would think that.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, you know, because like the kid is twenty years
old now, so he was in it, so he was
a teenager like eight.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Yeah, it's fucking insane.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
So then then we meet we see we see uh
Stack take Sammy to meet Delta Slim played by Delroy Lindo,
who's just a remarkable actor, like like everything he's in everything, he's.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
In killing and so many people who.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
Were supposed to do the Blade movie that did not
end up doing it that are all in this Incidentally,
which is interesting.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Delroy Lindo, like he's I know, he's like super black famous,
but the fact that he is not won all the
awards multiple times just shows you just how racist Hollywood is.
Like this, like he is I think one of the
best actors ever.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
He should an Oscar for the Five Bloods period.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
He's just as good as any actor in Hollywood period.
Just I would put him up against anybody in Hollywood.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Yeah, he's phenomenal. Like I've never seen him in any
movie where I'm not like, this is a great performance.
And he was in the movie The Core and that
was a piece of ship and he was great. Okay,
that was terrible, but he's great. Like he's just I mean,
this Delta Slim character, I mean it's it's phenomenal, and
he's he's one of those actors where it doesn't even

(51:30):
feel like a yeah, yeah, he's just he's he has
just a genuineness to him and so he he reluctantly
agrees to play at their their juke joint. Basically, there
were stack Is like, hey, I got this Irish beer,
and he was like excuse me, Like hold on the

(51:51):
second he does, Delta Slim is an alcoholic. That is obvious.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
I thought it was really funny that there was like
a musical cue as he was drinking the eye Rich beer.
I'm like, what the fuck kind of Disney for her
when he took that beer, Like that was a weird
beautifal cube all right.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
He was like, oh, yes, that's his love. It's like
it's like since prohibition, I miss it. So he's like, look,
I need you to you know, we got plenty of it.
We got plenty of these beers and and and uh
Italian wine. Uh down at the at the juke joint tonight.
And then so he starts playing the harmonica and then uh,

(52:31):
Sammy starts playing the guitar, and you know, they start
getting the crowd together and everybody's like all excited, and
then we see Pearline. Uh she comes over.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
Uh yeah, a literal god damn came out of my
mouth in the movie. I'm serious.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
I was like, Jesus Christ, she's a beautiful man almost. Yeah,
that woman is fucking gorgeous. Yeah yeah, the walk away
ain't bad. It's like, god damn. She was like, oh,
don't mess around you, you know, bite off more, you
can chew. I'm like I'm good. Don't don't worry about me.
We're about what about yourself? Okay about me? And she

(53:14):
says she's, uh, yeah, there there's a lot of that.
There's definitely a lot of that. And then we we
meet uh Hailey Steinfeld who plays Mary, and Sammy sees
her and she's she's staring at Stack. He's like, like,
white woman staring at She's coming over here, like looking
at it, looking at ship. He's like, don't look at her,

(53:39):
just go over there and keep playing white woman is
the devil. And so he, you know, Stack walks into
her and she was like, oh, you know, I'm waiting
for you, and he was like, yeah, I was trying
to get the fuck away from you, like you know,
and obviously they know each other. He's like, you hear
that part? Yeah I heard that. Then he stuck stuck
your tongue in my coops and yeah, I thought.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
It was like a cools and so hard and I
thought you had changed your mind. He was like, relax,
you know were the train station. Why he's so loud, yo, Relax?

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Well hilarious. He was like, look, I did tell the
young man that's how you do it. Like in saying
it to me, that is that's my whole thing.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
But but but that means that she hadn't seen him
also in seven years.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah, yeah, she was thinking. So she was thinking about
all that, and then in the Mississippi Delta, who else.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Be because she's married, remember.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Yeah, yeah, clearly. Look we put it down as black
and that's what that's what we do, right, we were
marriage like relax, relax.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
But I mean, look, look, Stack is not for me.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
You know you're a smoke guy. Yeah yeah, yeah, you
want to have sex and a weird convenience story. They
pay with Wooden Nickels. I got it.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
The interesting thing about like the dynamic between Stack and Smoke.
They kept calling Stack the crazy one. I noticed that,
like like you and your crazy brother Stack, but like
Stack didn't do anything crazy. Smoke was the crazy nigga.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Yes, he was quieter about it, right, He wanted to
shake him PTSD and ship like he trying to roll
the joint to calm his nerves and ship. I mean,
he didn't go down like twelve dudes on his own.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
Yeah, like Stack didn't harm anyone in this movie, nobody.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
They kept saying Stack was the crazy one.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
Shot to do in his ass and like murdered all
those fucking Nazis, I mean, oh Nazis clansman.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, yeah, white people's same.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
He he was he he was like he was all
bark and no bite, right yeah right, And even he even.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Said that smoke, yeah he's a little brother. He even
said that smoke killed the dad.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
Maybe that maybe Stack did it, and like that was
the last time he really had to do some violence
ship outside of like going to war, right, who knows?
And he was like, I can't do no ship like this, Noal,
I don't know. I just found it weird that they
kept saying like Stack was a crazy one.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
He definitely comes off as more aggressive, and I think
it may be.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
Like aggressive one, but like Smoke is all action, Like smoke,
don't talk, get your gun.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah yeah he does.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Yeah, we'll get to that, you know. Yeah. I just so, so,
what is the controversy episode gross? What is the controversy
between Hailey Steinfeld and like.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
So people did People kept saying why didn't they cast
what's her name, Journey Smolett, like like basically light skinned
black actresses as Mary because Mary the character is like

(57:12):
a quarter black or so, and that would be the
term back. They would have used the busy thing. Harley
Seinfeld also an a room yes, so what the complete
But also also at the same time, Jerey Smolet and
others another black actresses are not passing. They are you

(57:35):
can tell that they're They're very someone who can pass.
I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
The other day like she's black, like.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
But but but people but people were getting really like really.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
But she but she filmed?

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Don't understand the argument they filmed this movie in Louisiana.
Journey small lead in Louisiana is gonna get dark like
it like what do you what do you want?

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Trial by sunlight?

Speaker 6 (58:12):
Like I'm sorry you can't have to which to to
to to which this sasonto to one of my points
and well and I'll probably have to talk about again
when we get to.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
When when when Mary turns Stack later on, which is
I think a lot of people felt very uncomfortable or
felt like they needed to unnecessarily criticize their relationship because
they are, uh an interracial not even just intera but
black and white couple. And because I saw people say

(58:51):
things like what what Annie and Smoke had was real?
But what uh Mary and stack head was just temporary,
and I was like, well, they are both of them
going to be together forever in some way.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
So is it? So? Is it? Is it real love?
Or is it like with smoking and he had was real,
you know, like the love between a son and his mother,
Like what is it?

Speaker 4 (59:20):
What are we doing? Like?

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Well, like I my, my, my, My questions were when
I was watching watching the discourse, Jay, you miss so
much because you just you just watched this like recently,
but you missed so much when in.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
This movie came. I didn't. I wouldn't say I missed
this course, I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
I kept thinking, like.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
I hate a lot of niggas out there, I really do.
I do like to be honest with you, like no, no,
But in all seriousness, I think the level of fucking
pardon my French, the level of retarded ass comments.

Speaker 5 (59:55):
For people who.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Interracial relationships drives me fucking crazy. I swear to god,
it drives me crazy. No one is telling you to
fucking or marry anybody. Fuck off, fuck off, So it's
so annoying. You're not brilliant or interesting. You're just a
bunch of dickheads. You're just a bunch of dickheads. It's
so fucking irritating to me. Anytime there is a black

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and white person together on screen, it's a nine hour
fucking conversation. Is their love reel or whatever? She was
with him in the same amount of time as Annie
in Smoke Woord they were apart the same amount of time.
Who gives a fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
It's a movie, like, Okay, so it's first of all,
can't say the A word, sorry, y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
I'm like Jesus, like, look, I don't say it. But
I felt the need to be explicit as I can
because I know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
People don't want to hear that, like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
A lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
But I saw people try to like say, like, you
know what what Annie and Smoke went through. You know,
we'll get to them when they meet, versus what what
Mary and Stack was through. And I'm like, there there's
no need to really to compare, to put them against
each other, because the point is that both men had
these great loves that they could not be with for

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one reason or another, and in Mary, in Stack's case,
it was quite literally a case of life and death
for both of them if they stay together.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Yes, So it's nineteen thirty two.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Right for both of them. So so it's not it's
not just him getting strung of, it's also her that's
going to suffer consequences too. And I think there's definitely
a discussion we had about Mary's privilege and and her
and her and her having the nerve to come up
to Stack in a very public place, putting him and
putting him in danger. Like I think that that is one.
There's one hundred percent validity to that. But what I

(01:01:54):
what I didn't like was was trying to make seem
mixing like their relationship was was less than.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
But here's the thing, and I'm in all honesty, this
happens all the fucking time. It is incredibly fucking irritating
that somehow, just because you're marrying somebody who is of
the same race as you, that that is somehow more
real than someone marrying someone who is a different color
than you. It isn't different. It isn't different if you're
marrying somebody because you think, oh, this is gonna be

(01:02:24):
some fucking special thing. Like you know, when you see
like an unbelievable amount of like black rich athletes all
marrying white women. That's a commentary that you can be like, oh,
that seems a little strange, right, but just a regular
fucking person is a little odd. Right. And at the
same time, it's like in was It School Days? Right,
Spike Lee makes that point of having Laurence Fishburne's girlfriend

(01:02:47):
say sometimes I think you're only dating me because I'm
the darkest sister on campus. Right. Because there's also that
shit too, right, Mike, I sent you that clip from
that What the fuck is that couple's therapy that show
on show Time? Have you ever seen that shit? It's
just like real people in couples therapy, It's fucking insane.
All those people are nuts. But like it was literally

(01:03:09):
a black couple and the husband is like, yo, I
go to these events with you. They're both black, and
he's like, I feel uncomfortable, right, like from like a
racial standpoint, Like there's white people giving me an eye
and allsother shit, and she's telling him you need to
get over it. You don't understand, you need to be
more over You've seen that clip, right, I sent that
to you, guys, to you this idea, and what pisses
me off about that is one that she doesn't get

(01:03:31):
it as a black woman, right, that's fucking insane to me.
But this idea that just because you marry somebody of
the same race that they're gonna understand and to be
perfectly aligned with you is horseshit. It's horseshit. And just
because you're with somebody who isn't the exact color as you,
that they can't understand and that your connections aren't real
and shit, look you say that shit to me in person,
I will feed you your fucking teeth. I hate that shit.

(01:03:53):
I cannot stand it. It is juvenile. It's twenty twenty five.
Not get the fuck off. You don't like interracial marriages,
Go live in the fucking go live on a fucking
island where you can only you know, Mary Penguins or
whatever the fuck. In society, people marry who the fuck
they want to marry. I am so sick and tired
of hearing about it. I am Mary's character is simply
there to show that both guys, like you said, are

(01:04:15):
in relationships that are complex. That's the point. And in
nineteen thirty two, there's really a lot of things that
are complex in a racial dating, even with somebody who's
an octoroon, as the term goes like that is also
incredibly difficult. And her character is there because she can
blend in not only with white people like she goes
and meets Remick, but also as far as blending in

(01:04:37):
with black people because she's in that culture too. There's
a point of it. He picked her for a fucking reason.
He wrote the character for a fucking reason. You don't
have to add all your other horseshit that you have
a problem with into it. Stop cutting that shit with
all your nonsense.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Also, I just had to say this too, like I
do find it to be pretty disrespectful to try to
cast her, to try to try to play like the
recast game when that's not the intention. And it tells
me like, did you do you believe in what Ryan
Coogan was doing this movie or not?

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
That should have annoying to me. Like the whole point
of casting her was because of who she was, That's
the whole fucking point. It didn't he didn't say Haley
Stanfield is black, Like, yeah, being a black woman, what
the fuck? Right? All right? Yeah, they shouldn't put the
Asian people, and they should have. They should have just picked.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Uh, I don't know, some like Hawaii niggas like they
just this was just put this should just put Latin
people in there for no reason, even though they they
weren't in this part of the country. I saw some
some professional nerd on Instagram was pissed that there was
no Latino representation in this particular movie, even though he

(01:05:51):
was was riding the dick of Ryan Coogler when Condo
Forever came out because of the treatment that no Morga
and uh, it just is I'm old, man, I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Get on my nurse. You on my nurse, you know
my nurse like you grow up, you know, just grow
just grow up, just grow up.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
It's why the Republicans won. Yeah, come to a consensus
on nothing or nothing with each other and ship like, come.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
The funk on? Man, Hey, man, I love this movie.
If only they had cast that that uh, that white
woman as a as a black woman. Did you did
you watch the movie? Yeah? Did you understand it? Clearly? Not? No,
you're not. Do you think Remick should have been black?
Or did did it not occur to you that he's
Irish for a fucking reason?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Well that's that, Chris Rock.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Sure why he's they shows Irish like I had my
own my own ideas as why, but I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
I'm still not sure why. Well, I think it has.
I think a lot of it has to do with
Irish people not being considered white right like in the beginning,
and then, like Michael mentioned earlier, them having to basically
assimilate into white culture and give up their culture in
order to be accepted because they were treated less than
too right like they were. Italians are the same, Like, yeah,

(01:07:22):
that's why I when like Italian and Irish people, more
Italians than Irish people are just like no, no, not us.
We're over here, you guys over there. I'm like, yeah,
y'all about y'all, y'a Costa dishes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Away from darker than the Irish, little darker than the Irish, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Get close to my complex, nigga, get.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Out of here. Also, uh, you know there's been a
trend recently, uh that redheads are are blown. You know,
you're not You're not You're fine, You're okay, You're okay,
we could be cool, we can, you know, but no, no, no,

(01:08:06):
just like I'm not a ginger, No, I'm not Irish.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
No. Does this kind of for black people who are
also redheads? They actually, how does this work?

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
They're blacky we was kings. Yeah, that ship just pisses
me off. Sorry, like I'm just I'm yes, I've had
I've had enough of it, Like, like, how many movies
have we done? In The commentary is exactly the same.

(01:08:39):
I said the R word. You have every right to
ye mm hmmm, yeah, like you have every right to me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
But no, no, this will not be the last time
we talked about these these couples.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Oh, I thought you meant this will not be the
last time said the YARD word. I'm like, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
I know racism.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the one I was.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Yeah, the hard art, hard racism. That's how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Where are we at in the movie?

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
Uh, let's go pick up corn bread, just.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
Like we just got past the train station. We gotta
get to Annie and A.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yeah okay, So so they pick up they pick up
corn bread. They have this which is a holiday.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
That scene was actually really good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
This scene is right Miller, and it's it's a really
funny scene.

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
Before corn bread, where uh, what's his name? Delta Slim?
They drove past the chain gang and he tells a story.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
About oh yes, yes, and his.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
Boys, this murdered when he was sucking one of his
home boys getting murdered.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
About this scene. This this scene actually made me like
tear up a bit because one like when he's telling
the story and in the background you can hear like
the I guess like the sound effects or something from
like him from his from being lynched in them like
running away and things like that. But it was really
enough part where he's like he's he's clearly remembering it

(01:10:08):
and he's overcome with this emotion. He's like hmmm mmmm,
and then he just starts goes into song that and
that That's what I meant when I said, like, that's
that is something only a black person could have pulled
out of this scene, like like like only only only
a black director or a black actor would have known

(01:10:29):
to to do that, because that's exactly how how black
people have had to process trauma is through music. It's
through songs. It's it's why gospel and soul are so powerful.
Del ry Lindo said that in the initial screenings they
actually cut that part out. Ranko would cut that part

(01:10:49):
out and he he fall to that and Delrolynd was like, well,
you gotta bring that back in because because I think
without that scene, I don't know if you have much
sympathy for Delta Slim later later in the film. And
and I think it gives you some context as to
why he has become such so dependent on alcohol even
though he has has a submit. And I saw some

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people discussing the people who were smartly discussing this movie.
Some people think that he had the same gift that
Sammy has. But but but just through the circumstances of life,
that gift is never never became realized or anything like that,
which which could lend to why he and Sammy and

(01:11:35):
the developing such a close relationship so fast, because they
have they have the same gift. Oh you made it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
I got that same impression as well. Uh sorry, just
because from the from the perspective of just like he
could have done it, but whatever, like you said, like
circumstances of a life just kind of gotten any which
happens to people all the time. Then we see Smoke
they pick up corn bread, which was a funny scene.

(01:12:06):
It was just amusing that woman was like how much money?
Go get that money? And hello those like that's a
good woman. So Smoke goes she might even let you
put your peck in the mouth, like, yeah, you gotta realize.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
My wife she was like, wait a minute, now I
might do it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
She was like how much money. So Smoke goes to
see Annie, and uh, I like if for some reason,
I just did not catch this the first time, Like
I guess I was just like zoning out, I guess,
but he visited. You know, when he goes to visit Annie,
he sees a grave and he lays flowers on it.

(01:12:50):
And then Annie comes out of the out of her
store house, I guess, and you know there, you know,
she's like, look, you know, I haven't seen you in
a long time. He's like fresh back from Chicago. And
they go in the store and they're talking and he
notices that like these little girls, you know, buying stuff
off the store and you know, out of the out
of her store. But they're like paying like wooden nickels

(01:13:12):
and shit like that from basically the plantation that their
family works on. And he offers to give her money
and she's like she holds a knife to us, and
it's like I don't want your money. There's blood money,
and you know, basically she she kind of lets him
know that she's been, you know, looking looking over him

(01:13:32):
and his brother when they were in the war and
in Chicago, like through hoodoo and all that sort of stuff.
And she had given him what's called a mojo bag,
which is you know, some sort of like hoodoo thing
that you wear around your neck. It's got a bag
of you know, magic herbs or what have you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
It's not what it did for me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Yeah, no, that's a very different mojo. You're you're absolutely
he did not get this one in a gasation.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
Once again, the episode almost killed me. I was listening
to it in the gym.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
Yeah, not a good idea, but a bad choice, nigga.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
That almost made me drop a weight on my head.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
She was funny, so you know, she's she's basically like,
you're just getting an understanding of like sort of her spirituality,
right like in this seed and the love that the
two of them have for each other, like they really do.
And he says, you know, it still hurts coming back,
and and then uh, you know, she she touches his

(01:14:38):
dick and she was like, oh, still remembers me. And
he was like, and I guess you know they're into
a little BDSM type of ship. She starts choking them
and that was all she wrote. And then they start
having sex in the store. God bless them. I get
it would.

Speaker 5 (01:14:54):
So quick backstory. Remember I remember the very first episode
of love Craft Country, that woman showed up in that
blue dress but she was singing on stage.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
I remember that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
Yeah, paused the show because because I had never seen
it before, Right, I had never seen her before.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
I was like.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
Pause, and I went to Google to see who she
was because I was like, Jesus Christ, woman, I'm serious,
that's what I did.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Yeah, she was dope as in that show. She really.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
That's the shit that makes it real crazy. Season two
shedding up skin and some kind of wild ship I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Yeah, was supposed to be in this, right, wasn't he
supposed to be one of the one of the.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
Yeah wait, he was supposed to be one of the brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Yeah, they were going they were going to be brothers
and not like twins.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
And he got into his little tiff with that white woman,
and the.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
Internet is like stee j, see what happened? Like all right?
So then we see we see Remick, who is the
uh the vampire in this movie uh.

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
Shows up on somebody's front door sizzle and I'm like.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
This, get the no the fuck absolutely not. I need
your help. No you don't. So he he comes in, Uh,
he knocks on these these white people's door, and he's like, hey,
the Choctaw Indians are trying to kill me, like like

(01:16:40):
and he's like the white the white couples like he
ain't no engines around here, which classic, these are clans,
These are plans.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
You can see there.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
They got clans. But you know they let him in.
They let him in because you know, even though he's
on fire, Uh, white man is better than an Indian,
which is reminiscent of the first episode of Lovecraft Country, like, hey,
don't go over there, those mosses are coming. They're like,

(01:17:09):
I listen to that black person and the mosses come
and kill.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
Everybody, right, just destroyed.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
Cops trying to tell you, but.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
The Native Americans must have wh must have been whooping
his ass for him to be around like that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
Yeah, well they got his ass out during the day.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
So so it makes you one of like, what have
they seen? So probably.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
Right, Like it's interesting, right like that you see when
they show up, you see the vultures hovering over the house,
I noticed that, which I thought was kind of interesting.
And then so apparently the Chalctaw Indians had like a
real connection two to black folks or excuse me, to
the Irish, rather like during the potato famine in Ireland,

(01:17:57):
like they you know, they're basically kind of like sister
nations and they were like sending sending help and all
this other stuff, because obviously the Trail of Tears was
just before the potato fan in Ireland. So like even
to this day they have they have a kind of
a deep connection between those two, uh so, which is
probably the reason that they chose this very specific Indian truck.

(01:18:21):
So it's kind of fascinating history. So these two dumb
clans folks, they let Remick in and the wife goes
to see, uh where they are in the back of
the house, and Remick is covered in blood and she's like,
oh my god, you're killed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Billy Bob chalked doll. I like how his chalked doll
is like, hey, yo, it's sundown.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
Let's go. Let God be with you and with you. Yeah,
And it's funny the vultures don't land on. Yeah, the
vultures don't actually land on the house until after, like
as they're leaving, like because now there's there's death there, right,

(01:19:10):
So she goes in back Remick has killed her husband,
and then her husband stands up and he's like, hey,
maybe you know I'm a vampire now, and then you know,
they obviously turn her as well. Everybody's getting ready at
the at the juke joint, you know, it opens, people
are paying with like wooden nickels and shit, and Smoke

(01:19:32):
is not Smoke's not pleased about that. He's pretty pissed
because how are they going to make any money? Right?
But they basically reassured him like listen, yeah, yeah, you're
not gonna make a lot of money tonight, but you
got to let these black folks feel like they got
a place, right, They got to feel like they know,
you know, they got a place to be and everything
else and feel comfortable. So like, yeah, you're gonna lose

(01:19:54):
a little bit of money, but it's more important. Basically,
culture is more important than money. I don't know if
people got that very blaringly loud message right there, probably
more concerned about whether or not some one was white.
I'm gonna be so so Pearline shows up, and you know,

(01:20:16):
Sammy's a walking hard on at that point. I get it.
I didn't know they had silk dresses back then, good lord.
And so she's she's excited to uh to see if
he can play and all this other stuff, and uh,
she looks really good. As a side note, Mary comes
to the Mary comes in and Cornberd is like, excuse me,

(01:20:40):
like white woman, would you do it here? And and
then she then he recognizes who she is because he
hasn't seen her in a long time either, so he
lets her in because they all grew up together. Right
then he you know, some more and more people are
coming in. Everything is good. Just trying to fast forward.
Sam and Mary are talking and basically she's she's kind

(01:21:04):
of given the rundown of like about the twins and
everything else, right, and and Smoke is not exactly pleased
that she's there. I mean that that's pretty clear. I
think probably just because he knows how much of a
fucking insane relationship him and him and her and his
brother have because his brother's kind of unstable, I think.

(01:21:29):
So I'm trying to just trying to fast forward. We
see Delta Slim is uh, he's playing, you know, he's
playing the piano what have you. And he brings up Sammy,
and you know, Sammy comes up and he plays for
the first time in front of the entire Duke joint,
and he fucking crushes it, but to the point where

(01:21:52):
he ends up creating one of the fucking dopest scenes
in this movie by far, and in in movies period.
To be honest, the way that they handle this is
so fucking seamless. And I just wasn't expecting this when
I watched it, Like I just I just assumed to
be kind of a three sixty shot of everything. It
was like, all right, this is this is dope. But

(01:22:14):
but what they do is they start to show, you know,
folks who are his ancestors and like sort of you know,
African musicians and African dancers, and then the music shifts
to sort of a future kind of parliament funkadelic kind
of thing where you know, guy dressed like Bootsy Collins

(01:22:38):
type of type of look is playing the electric guitar
and then you're seeing like like DJ's you know, like
from like the nineteen eighties, like Black DJ from nineteen eighties,
kind of like a dude dressed as a bee boy
and it's just like it was just really cool. And
then they slide in you see like some sort of

(01:23:00):
like historical like uh, Chinese Chinese dance, which was interesting.
Apparently if you notice the people who don't make it
in the end, you only see their ancestors. You don't
see anybody from their future, which is interesting. Again, like
the Asian characters, you only get you only get like

(01:23:23):
Asian dance from like historical stuff like from their past.
You don't see anybody from their future, right, like the
black characters get. The Black characters get people from their future,
right right, like for future generations. Right, You've got like.

Speaker 5 (01:23:38):
Like what is contemporary Chinese music? You know what I'm saying,
Like what is contemporary?

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
I don't know. I'm not Chinese.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
I don't know, Like you don't have like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Bts there that don't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:23:52):
I mean a contemporary Asian music Korean. Yeah, that's why
I said, I don't know, Like in new addition, I
don't like, you know, that's exactly Korean music. But I

(01:24:12):
don't know Korean music.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
Is they just tole from teddy ry like Chinese. That's
that's all they did.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
New Jack Swing would be hilarious to me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Michael would listen to that ship, I know you would.
That's his favorite type of music.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
I listened to a lot of Asian low fi hip
hop beats.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
That's what That's what I listened to. They should have
just had like some fast and farious type dudes. I
don't know, like I don't know, I don't know, I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
The interesting thing about this in the lesser a lesser
director would have fucked the scene up. That said that,
Like when I first it's super dope, but like a
lesser director it would have been super corny. But like
this is again, this is like one of the most
amazing scenes in movies in a very long time, right
just the way he did.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
It's it's seamless, like the music glides into the other
style of music, just really seemlessly.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
A bit of trivia. This was the last shot of
the of the film shoot, and they really did burn
that roof. They enhanced it, but they really did burn
the roof because they were like yeah, like and like,
and it had to be the last shot because like
they just ruined you.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
Don't get it second.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
So they burned the roof and showed it in the
behind the scenes of the roof actually burning, and then
you know, they they added effects around it, but they
were I forget who said who was insistent upon it,
but they were insistent that, like you gotta see the
roof burn so that it because you can feel it.

(01:25:53):
You can feel when something is you know, fake or not.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Right manter factur. Yeah, because it doesn't have any weight.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Just yeah, it's just there's just something to it. But yeah,
they really burn that roof.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
Down that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
We see. They let that motherfucker burn quite like.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
Yeah. So Pearline, after hearing Sammy play, was like, go
ahead and find the button. Uh do you think, buddy?
And uh, apparently he did good on him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
We see right before that we see when the roof
is on fire. They we we see the vampires and
we see Rennick and we see his face and he's like, yeah, yeah,
I want that. That looks cool. I want that. And
at this point, like it could be read that like

(01:26:51):
this vampirism is one you know, I've seen I've seen
arguments where Rennick is like a sympathy a character, uh,
and I've seen the opposite. To me, this scene is
like Rennick is looking for some sort of community because like,

(01:27:12):
as we have said jokingly but not really joking, white
people don't really have like their own culture.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
And this this is Rennick trying to create culture. But
by creating his own culture, he is actually trying to assimilate, right,
he's doing what white people what what you know, I'll
give you a benefit of doubt earnest white people do
when they say I don't see color, like we're.

Speaker 4 (01:27:42):
All one man, and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
I don't like it either, because it all because because
you are going off the assumption that you are the
one that that you see yourself in other people, meaning
that like why can't you just act like me? And
then we'll all be cool? Right like, And that's what
this vampirism is for this part of the movie. For me,

(01:28:08):
it represents like thet culture vultures, right, like trying to
oh that's cool, right, like how many how many TikTok
dances or hairstyles or things like that that get that
Like black people, you know, we kind of push the

(01:28:29):
culture forward, right like we are the tip of that spear,
and there's always at COMPI after I said, that's that's
specifically and we and we run. We are the ones

(01:28:51):
who kind of makes ship cool a lot of the time.
And like that old like that old like that old
Bill Bird bit where you know black people were like, hey,
stay woke, bro, you know what I mean, like, stay
woke brother? Right, Hey, what was that I woke?

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
That was cool?

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Can I say it? I want to say it, say
it right, like, and.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
That's what this is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
And more on that and more on that in a
in a second, but yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
Yeah. So so they, you know, they they basically come
to Remick and the other Tief vampires. They come to
they come up to the to the the Duke joint, right,
and they're just like, hey, hey, can we uh can
we come on? Come on in have a good time.
You know, we got money and all that. Corn Bread's

(01:29:52):
like he's up, He's up, buddy, knock it off. And
so he calls the twins down and and everybody else.
He is like, my name is Remick, this is Joan
and Bert like yeah, can we we play music too?
And then they do their little like they do pick
poor Robin clean song, which is about dealing everything from

(01:30:14):
a person, which is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
So this is so again if you're if you're curious,
like there's a reason for everything, right, So I was like,
what the hell is this song? Right, like like when
I picked poor Robin clean, but like the way they're
singing it, and it's like I was like, Yo, what
what the hell is this song? This? Uh? This song

(01:30:39):
was originally written will performed by a duo. I can't
remember the other person's name, but the original woman's name
was Gichee Wileye. And it is a black woman singing
about singing this song about this.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
Robin, and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
It is it is a about the robin that they're
that they're talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
What is it called.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
It's called like a like a like a cock butt
robin or some some ship, right, And it's a nursery
rhy and it's about it's about this and it's about
a bird. It's it's about a bird is and all
the other animals around it have to take something from
the bird so they can prepare it for a for

(01:31:27):
a funeral. But apparently like it's also a slang term
for people who are easily like manipulated and and the
cock robins in this particular instance are meant to be
the people in the in the juke joint, right, Like
Rannick sees them as the cock robins, and it is

(01:31:50):
and he his intent is to pick them clean, and
it just it's just it's just little things that like
like there's everything is in this movie for a reason,
and uh, I don't know, I just thought it was interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:32:04):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
By the way, I'll just say this, that is a
perfect example of how to be good at media literacy, going, huh,
that's interesting. I'll go read a book, let me look
it up.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yeah, that's how.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
That song was longest computers on the planet in the
palm of our hands twenty four to seven.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
Right, Like that's all whack. Why have DJs in it
or some stupid ass.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
And yeah, so and then you know you can estrapolated
of course to like you know, he's you know, he's
gonna he's gonna pick pick pieces of their culture that
he wants and he you know, and try to assimilate it, right.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
Like it's just also physically right, like exactly picking them
clean blood was exactly like.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
It just it's just super interesting, man, Like every little
thing is here for a reason if you just look
it up, or and if you don't have to, if
you don't want to. It could be just like three
corny ass white people want to rub and clean, but
boom boom, Like, but everything in this movie is here
for a reason and it's and it's not just. It

(01:33:14):
can be it can be what you want it to be, right,
It can be just a vampire movie, or it can
be something.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
A little more if you just dig a little bit.
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
People just honestly, I'm not gonna you people would just
call it a vampire movie.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
I didn't see this.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
This wasn't a horror move to me, Like I like,
I'm a horror movie guy. This wasn't a horror move
to me, Like it was just I don't know what,
I don't know what genre is would be called like
you know, what did I say in that episode? And
I called it like genre fluid or something like that.
That's what it was. It's not just a horror movie.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
It's not like you mentioned earlier, like that, he's gotten
Coogler has gotten really good like incepting like messaging in
you know, sort of racial messaging or cultural messaging in
genre films like whatever that means, like whatever that However,
you can take that terminology and make it into like
and that's the genre. That's what he makes. Like, that's

(01:34:16):
what this is, right, I don't know smart fun movies.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
I don't know, like I don't, I don't know what
the term is, right, but yeah, I also appreciated Stack.
While they're playing, he's like, it's like Bob and his headler,
this is stupid, but like, okay, like I'm not. I
see what you're doing. I see what you're trying to do.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Marry Like how Mary get in their two?

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
Yeah, that's not fair.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
Mind your fucking business.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
Like he's like, are you ya and he's he's like,
he's like me, clan no, what you mean? I love
I love I love love all the races. I love
the black which also something that I really liked about

(01:35:07):
the actors name who played a Remick Jack something Jack
O'Connell okay, which, by the way, look I saw a
photo of him from like a photo shoot a few
years ago, and I was like, is this the same person?
Because this person is kind of okay, but what.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Person this person? Is this person the type of guy
that you would love to take you on a mountain? No, no,
is both the kind of guy that would you would
like to take is bo.

Speaker 8 (01:35:46):
No, all right, all right, look look but I would
say this can bow can take me anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Yeah, you go warm up the car. I'll be right
outside with you.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
End up dancing the Irish goddamn in the middle of
what be with That's all that matters.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
But starting that with a with the Jack O'Connor's performance,
is that how his accent was like so super southern,
and then as a movie progressed, it got more and
more Irish. I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
Yeah, Like his performance is really great, Like it is
like that effect by the way that they do with
the red eyes is good because it's it's subtle, right,
you get that in your sort of clause or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
That scared me. I mean I don't said it wasn't
horror movie, but this just actually kind of scared me.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
I mean most.

Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
People would consider it a horror movie. But like I've seen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Now the Twisters, you watch this, is that I that
red eye effect was inspired by Pussing Boots, the Last
Wish according Yeah, yeah, the Wolf, the Wolf. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
Yeah, everybody says that. Yeah that was break Man. I'm
told you like three years ago, which is a really
good movie. Yeah, everybody says it's really really good.

Speaker 5 (01:37:13):
I told I told you the last the Wild Robot
was good, and I was right.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
Yeah, you cried, cried several times after watching it. Wow,
it's crazy. So you say, you know that robot sensitive,
man sensitive, so they tell them to basically funk off. Right,
That's that's crazy. That that's where he got that from.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Man, he said. He said in multiple interviews, he said,
that's that was that's what inspired that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
Look, it just goes to show you that dude watching
what he was talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's I love watching I
love letting him talking about movies because he's just so
fucking learned. If you know about that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
So we see we see, uh, Sammy go up go
upstairs to talk to stack ex you think Sammy goes
talk to Smoke and he's like, yeah, you know, you know,
thanks for giving me this opportunity, you guys let me
play here and everything. That's been great. Got to go
down on a girl. It's the best day of my life.
And and Smoke's like, yeah, no, that's cool, that's cool.

(01:38:13):
This is gonna be ayal last night, all right, Like
I hope you found the button that's great. You're not
coming here no more, basically because we're not gonna have
you ruin your life right fucking around with us. You
got real talent. You take your ass back back to
that church and you know, you know, make something for yourself,
like we are evil men that type of ship. And

(01:38:34):
he's like like, nah, you're gonna make me. And then
Smoking's like, yes, get the fuck out of.

Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
Here, like, oh, this is the crazy nigga you know what,
you're right that does shoot people.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
It's like, oh, oh you ain't. You ain't as cool
as your brother, all right? Got it? So stack As
or Mary offers to go check on the vampires and
be like, all right, let's see if these white people,
like they really got money, Like what's what's the deal? Right?
Like I can kind of I can blend in, like
don't worry about it. And he's like, all right, go

(01:39:07):
out there and talk to him. And so she goes,
and she goes and talks to him. They haven't gone
that far away, and they basically were like, oh yeah,
now we got money, you know, we're good and and
Remick says something to the to the point of like, yeah,
you have a deep pain in you I can tell.
She's like, well, I just lost my mother.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
He was like, oh, I.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Could have saved her too, and she's like, what what
the hell are you talking about? And then they just
kind of get creepy. And then you see he turns
around and he's he's got the red eyes and he's
quite literally drooling at the idea of yo biting her.
And she pulls out a gun and steps away, and
then she goes back to the she's walking back to

(01:39:49):
the juke joint, and you see Remick like kind of
float up right. So clearly was creepy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
That was creepy, and.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
You almost you almost opened the Wikipedia like I'm go,
that was cool.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
No no, because it was a no talk, no text theater,
but which made me focus on on everything.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
Yes, you.

Speaker 5 (01:40:09):
Needed to go to a no talk, no text movie.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Also the fact that there is a specific no talks,
no text theater should be all of.

Speaker 5 (01:40:17):
Them just looking at their phones the whole time, Like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
It is amazing when people know how to act in
a fucking movie theater. Like you shouldn't have to go
to a specific theater where it's just like, hey, guys,
no talking.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
If you're you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
Can say the R word during your ran That's fine,
that's what you are. I'm kidding them. Racism, yes, okay, ridiculous.
So Mary comes back to the party and then she's like, hey,
go on, Brad, you know, let me in. And he's
like he's like, yeah, of course, you know. It's like,

(01:41:01):
come on in. And of course that's inviting Mary in.
Even though now she's a vampire and she's uh, she's
acting a little bit different than she was before.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
She's a lot what's up. She's quite literally passing.

Speaker 5 (01:41:18):
As a normal human being.

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
She was all sexually charged up. Corn Bread goes to
take a piss. Delta Slim is watching the door, uh
in his stead and uh Mary comes up to stack
gives him the the the gold coins that Remick gave her.
It's like, oh, yeah, they got they got a lot
of money. I think they'd be cool. And then she's like, hey,

(01:41:45):
why don't we uh uh head on over this room
for a hot minute. And he was like, all right, bet,
because I mean his eyes work, I get it. And
meanwhile Cornbread is taking a piss in the woods. That's
what happens when you go to the woods or a mountain.
Tiara while he's taking a piss. He gets attacked by

(01:42:07):
vampires as well. They're screaming from the from one of
the rooms at the juke joint where the guys are
playing cards, and apparently a guy cut another dude's face
with a with a straight razor. You'd have to go
after that because he was definitely cheating, And yeah, they

(01:42:28):
beat the shit out of him. And I love I
love the scene because while they were stomping him out,
they were just playing the music of people's stomping to
the music as these dudes was like fucking throwing a
bunch of Tembulon's on this nigga in nineteen thirty two.
It larious And uh, what did Mary say?

Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
This nigga's like you robbed, you rob trains and banks,
but you can't steal this pussy for one night.

Speaker 4 (01:42:51):
I was like, I'd be like, you know, like you've
said all the right things to me, Like you're.

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
Right, I'm a thief.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
Let's go, I'm right, you're chicken, like you know what
you want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Another piece of trivia about Hailey Steinfeld, according to Wikipedia,
her uncle buddy Bye Jake, Remember that guy? What Wait
a minute.

Speaker 5 (01:43:21):
I recognize hold the fun on.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Time good just the fucking like workout guy.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
Yeah, nigga, I don't know that.

Speaker 9 (01:43:34):
Jake, Holy ship, that's wow, total body work as crazy man.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
That was.

Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
That was that's mad eighties son.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Yeah, that's before you're told.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
My god, Jake, he still has a Twitter account. That's okay,
that's insane.

Speaker 5 (01:43:58):
I ain't seen his motherfucking twenty is.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
It's been longer than thirty years.

Speaker 5 (01:44:04):
It's been a very long time.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
Wow shake wow. Well okay, that is then not a
turn of phrase I thought I would hear on this
episode or any future episode of any show that we've
ever done. So Smoke quickly handles the dude with the
with the razor. They beat the brakes off of that
dude again. They they stop him. Then we see we

(01:44:28):
see Mary uh you know, giving it up to stack
and then she eventually bites him and smoking Sam stage
like a tearing the house down, looking fine as they'll
crawling across the stage. But that's neither hear there. Yeah, no,
it was all. It's all good, all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Like how Smoke finds Smoke bodges in there and sees
uh and sees Mary on top of his on top
of his brother like literally eating his neck, and she
just stands up and it's like, it's not what it
looks like?

Speaker 4 (01:45:08):
What the what is it supposed to look like?

Speaker 5 (01:45:10):
To me?

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
It seems to be exactly what I think. Yeah, the
second season's brother's neck, he just he just pulls pulls
out the two handguns and puts like nine.

Speaker 5 (01:45:23):
That was kind of that seemed kind of she's like,
he's like he drooling, like she's want something like that's disgusting.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Oh, spinning my mouth, don't spend do not?

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
That was not that was that was not c G. I.
They actually wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Yeah, they actually did it, but they but they used
like syrup to kind of it's not real. Yeah, but okay,
yeah no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
I was like, you know, if I had one criticism,
it's the idea of anyone spinning in anyone's mouth in
any movie. Ever. I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
So I heard. I heard. So some of the prisms
I saw online was that people thought that Mary Turning
Stack was selfish and she.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Is all of them vampire.

Speaker 5 (01:46:15):
What are we talking about right now?

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
I know, I know, I know it's selfish.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
Oh I'm sorry. Are the vampires not thinking of others,
is that the first watching a vampire movie, why didn't
Dracula think of the kids?

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
Well, because because I saw some people say why didn't
she attack other people?

Speaker 4 (01:46:39):
Because it's not because it's not in the script.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
But also like it would make yeah, like Stack would
be the easiest target.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
Yeah, she can get him, she can guess, you can
get a little bit beforehand, and then she can kill him.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
But also but also I think it goes back to
what and we'll get this move to more about it
when we get to uh the fighting parts the other
movie where it's about how much of their love do
they retain? Because I'm pretty sure as soon as Mary
became a vampire, she was like, oh wow, I now

(01:47:15):
now I'm on this side where I can live forever.
Of course I'm want the person I love to be
to be with me too.

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
Yeah, this is not like bad media literacy is a choice.
Like guys, she doesn't like her memory doesn't get wiped
when she becomes a vampire. Those aren't vampire rules. Yeah,
you become a vampire, you're like cool, like, hey, I
love this, you with me forever? Yeah, I mean I

(01:47:44):
you think that if I became a vampire yeah, guess what.
Guess who's becoming a vampire too? My whole family funck y'allside.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
Normal included the little one. You know you're not gonna
let the little one grow up first?

Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
No, I let it get a little bit older because
I can't do.

Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
Six wrap Yeah zero vampire one of a round that
I see an.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
Interview with a vampire.

Speaker 5 (01:48:06):
That girl was in her fucking teens, doesn't she. Now
you got to interviewed the vampire. Yeah, that's the first
one that showed them.

Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Whatever, we're sixteen for the incredible show. By the way,
if anyone wants to watch the AFC show, I've.

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
Heard it's no. I feel like you need to be
at least twenty five, like I need your I need
you to know longer. Things need to be able to
rent a car. Yeah before. You need to be able
to get around without me right now? Six Hell no,
you stay in that mature No. No, no, no, no no.
Mom and dad will wait for you when you get
a little bit older. Now, everybody becoming a vampire in

(01:48:43):
my household. Knock it off, dog too, I usually why not?
They had it in Blade three.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
They had like a vampire Pomeranian and the Pomeranian.

Speaker 5 (01:48:56):
Yeah, that ship was stupid fucking movie.

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
That movie's so dumb. Yeah, but the idea that she's
being selfish, like yeah, that's the point. Like, yes, that's
a terrible take. Want to be with him forever. Oh
I thought earlier their relationship wasn't real. Which one is it?

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
Pick one?

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
Make sense? Shut up? And I guess the black people's
relationship wasn't real because she was like, kill me if
I get turned because it wasn't real, right, right? Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
I know that that that that makes it even more real.

Speaker 4 (01:49:29):
Because they did together and fictional heal, Yeah, got it? Okay?

Speaker 7 (01:49:35):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:49:36):
Yeah, so Stack is dead, so we think, and so
they you know, Smoke is fucking pissed, right, and and
so they're like, look like the ship's getting weird, and
your boy bo was like, I'm dumb. I'm gonna go
get the car, y'all. Meanwhile, white woman just got shot

(01:49:59):
like nine times in the chest and just got I'm
not leaving. I'm not leaving. Call the police.

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
No, and uh and and Delta Slimson all these people outside.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
Yeah, good Lucke adulta. Slim was like, all right, everybody
gotta go. I was like, no body, yeah, I ain't No,
he ain't know, I don't blame yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
Oh you know. That was something else I liked about this.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
Movie, Like how Delta Slim fucked up everybody. He screwed
the whole story up, he's the villain.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
Well, well what what I like this how they had
these tropes that would annoy me in other movies, like,
you know, if you know the bag houys outside, you
don't go to the tree and use the bathroom, right
Like Cornbread would have had no reason to believe it
was unsafe outside except for there's white people out there.
So so everything made sense to to to get to
the point that we get to. I like that because

(01:50:51):
some other movies have just been like, well, what fuck
are they doing this? This is so dumb?

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
Yeah, it's yeah, because this is written by a person
who's actually very smart. That's the difference. That's a big difference.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
There's after boat leaves, go get the car, Omar Miller's
character what's his name, Combre Cornbridge shows up and he's like,
it was a funny scene to me, man, he was
really funny. Oh, it was really funny.

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
He's a great he's a he's just a fun actor
to watch and like, what was he on? Was it Ballers?

Speaker 5 (01:51:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
I love he was. He's a he's just a fun dude,
and he's just trying to he's trying to like weasel
his way in. And then they're just like they're just
like the one the people in the house in the
in the joint. They have no time for this, right,
like like they have no patience. And then here comes
this little bit of levity where it's like, oh, come

(01:51:52):
on now, I'm just trying to come in. What what
the fuck, nigga?

Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
You ain't need no help to come in before?

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Well, this man showed me a kindness and I'm trying
to just be polite. That's what's wrong with y'all. Y'all
niggas ain't polite, Like, come on now.

Speaker 5 (01:52:08):
I.

Speaker 4 (01:52:09):
Love It's like, oh, I had to take a piss
and then I had to take a ship, probably because
of your your your your fish sandwich using old grease,
old stale grease.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
And they started like she was like, I don't use.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Aout with Annie. What I really loved about Annie, and
this is what she's like my favorite character in the
movie is that she did not like when when she
when she tried to get smoked and put Stacks body
out there, and he was like, no, she knew what
was up. She knew she she knew what was what

(01:52:45):
was going to happen, But she still didn't push him
more more than more than what he could handle. She
still kind of let him come to that conclusion. And
also the fact that she was just she was just smart.
She knew, she knew that corn Bird was dead. She
was like, nah, just admit it a myth that you did,
so so we can so we can move on past us,
so you can get to what you really want. I

(01:53:05):
love Annie, and I and I love and I love
that they just made her so entused everything so you
don't have to deal with the who what's the vampire?
Blah blah blah. Everyone was just like, Annie got it,
she knows.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Let's get She's the smartest person in the She's the
smartest person in the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:21):
Yeah, yeah, this is the second time, the second time
I heard the word hat in a month.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
Yeah, because I've never heard that before in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
Neither. When she said it, I did the Leonard or DiCaprio.

Speaker 5 (01:53:34):
I was like, all right, so we both played South
of min that this video game called South of Midnight
where you literally fight haints throughout the game, and she
said it. I was like, oh, okay, so this is
the thing. All right, it's the second time in my
forty five years on Earth that I've hurting the ship.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
But all right, I've never heard it before. Yeah, no,
I like, I agree with you, Like she she disallows
a need to do like exposition dumping right like to
your point, like this is what a vampire is. You're like,
all right, we all know. Is there a garleg? Yeah?
All right, yeah, yea da YadA yah. And so yeah,
they're like, nah, I don't worry about it. And then

(01:54:11):
uh uh, Smoke is trying to like he's like, all right, well,
just give me my money, Corners, Like, just give me
my money for the night. And he goes to hand
him hand corn Bread the money and as he doesn't
one out of thrown that ship on the ground. Get
the fuck out of here. Uh he he tries to
like he goes to pull his arm, like the second

(01:54:31):
he goes to put the money, he pulls his arm
and pulls stack. Excuse me, he's pulls Smoke out of
the juke joint and smoke of courses fast enough and
he just literally pulls out a gun and shoots corn
Bread in the face. But that obviously stop him.

Speaker 5 (01:54:47):
That that was that was the jump scare of the movie, right.

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
And my wife felt for that ship super easy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
I mean like they set it up like.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
I saw it coming, and I still got scared. I
was like, I was like, okay, and so when I
so when I saw a second time, I was just like,
I don't, I don't. I don't need to look at
this scene. I know what's coming. I'll just listen.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
I love that you wouldn't look at the scene after
knowing it, Like that's the hard cot Like what you are?
You are a fraidy cat, okay, Like that's ridiculous, you
are not and it's okay. Yeah. But then the second
actually the second jump scare is Sammy, here something going

(01:55:33):
on in the room where Stack is and he puts
his face to the door and and Stack slams the
knife through the door. Immediately. I was not expecting that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
I was like, oh, ship, and why would you why
would you then put your eye over the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Do that?

Speaker 3 (01:55:52):
Like what are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (01:55:55):
Like move back, move back? Yeah, smoke is crazy, Like, nah, bro,
I'm good on that. I love that. Like niggas at you.
He's like, uh yeah, and he's like you lost a
lot of blood. He's like, yeah, that's that's crazy. I'm
good now.

Speaker 5 (01:56:13):
It's also like like the The Outrageous Blood. It turned
into a grindhouse movie in the second half, right, oh yeah,
because the weight of blood is like shooting all over
the place, like this is not real blood. And I
feel like that was a stylistic choice. I haven't heard
anything he has, like.

Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
He has this gaping wound like right there and it
just it's just right in your face while he's talking.

Speaker 4 (01:56:34):
Yeah, it's quite a lot. So he comes out of
the room, uh and and he immediately throws like like
pickle garlic juice, pickle garlic juice on him and then
he's like ah, that hurt. And then he runs out right,
so he's out. No more vampires in the house. So

(01:56:58):
so then they have this whole thing of like, all right,
we all need to eat some garlic.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:57:03):
Actually, they see a guy who they think has blood
on him, so they're like, oh shit, this guy is
gonna turn to a vampire. They pick him up and
they take him out and throw his ass outside, which
is fucking hilarious because it turns out he just had
wine spilled on him. He got drunk and passed out,
and that dude was not a vampire at all. Yeah

(01:57:24):
they they that dude died like he got he got caught.
Then we see the really which I thought was a
very cool scene as well, Remick singing some sort of
Irish song with all the other vampires like kind of
circling him, which is on the Rocky Road to Dublin.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
I think this scene is what would Jack O'Connell when
he read this scene, he's he desperately wanted to be
a part of this movie because you know he's Irish,
and he's like, oh shit, I get to sing an
Irish song and do an Irish jig, Like yeah, I
want to be in this movie.

Speaker 4 (01:57:58):
Like this was the scene that did it for Yeah. Yeah,
it hit a little bit of fucking riverdance shit going
on there. Like I always find that funny White people
can dance, but they just they don't know what to
do with their arms. Like the best white people dancing
they just can't. They're like they're not allowed to use
their arms, so so yeah, they're they're out there and
like black people and white people dancing to Irish chick music,

(01:58:23):
which is okay, fine, but it again, to me, this
all reads like assimilation, right, Like earlier you're seeing Stack
who's just like okay to this music. But now it's
like they're all fully embracing it, right, Like they're all
a part of this culture. No matter what their culture
was ten minutes ago, this is their culture now, right,

(01:58:43):
which is the sort of fake promise of America. Right,
if you come here, you get to live and do
all your things and you have freedom. But in reality,
especially if you're not white, they want you to take
your culture, throw it in the trash and then join
what what.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
They deem they want you to. They want you to
bring your culture so they can pick what they want
from it and then throw the rest. So it's well,
bastardize it, right, Like oh, Chinese food huh okay, well
American Chinese food is not fucking Chinese food, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
Well, let me let me, let me let me ask
you something. Let's say let's say your uh spouses are
turned you want you're going outside? Are they are they?
Are you? Are you you fall, you fall for you you're.

Speaker 2 (01:59:35):
Join in the anna.

Speaker 3 (01:59:40):
What would you be or would you be grace?

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
I'd probably be grace and be pissed and want to
kill them all. That's probably what I would do. I
wouldn't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:59:56):
In a fiery death.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
I wouldn't want to.

Speaker 4 (02:00:02):
This nigga would do it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:03):
But what if she what if she's outside like like
like horned up.

Speaker 4 (02:00:08):
Like Mary, she's ready to go dog like get there.

Speaker 3 (02:00:10):
Yeah, I got the car ready. We will, we'll we'll
turn them. We'll turn them later on.

Speaker 4 (02:00:19):
Yeah, we'll turn them now when they're when they're Yeah,
good luck, nigga.

Speaker 5 (02:00:27):
Whatever, Like no, you'd be like you know what, I
don't know I need I don't need them problems.

Speaker 4 (02:00:33):
Yeah, yeah, you stay away from twenty years and then
you come back, you come talk to me.

Speaker 3 (02:00:39):
Yeah, what about you?

Speaker 5 (02:00:40):
Jay m he's gonna turn the whole family.

Speaker 3 (02:00:44):
Yeah no no no no no no no no.

Speaker 4 (02:00:48):
I don't know how to play the guitar. If he
was turned, if.

Speaker 3 (02:00:51):
She if she's turned, and she and Ya and y'all
they're standing outside doing doing the Irish jig and they're like, no, Jay,
come come outside, and you know we can. We can
do this forever for real? Me and you like, what's.

Speaker 5 (02:01:04):
Fourteen years? Fifteen years?

Speaker 4 (02:01:05):
Fourteen years? Yeah, listen, throw all that away. Yeah. Look, no,
I'm going outside. Not fuck y'all like, I'm going outside. Look,
here's the thing. I don't know how to play the guitar.
They're not gonna steal it from me. What they're gonna learn?
Do I have?

Speaker 2 (02:01:22):
Podcast gonna be a drain. You're gonna be a drain
on the hive mine.

Speaker 4 (02:01:25):
That's their problem. They chose me to God and choose them.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
You can be, you can be, you can be leaching
and our seating. Come on, So I.

Speaker 3 (02:01:35):
Guess I guess The next question is if you are
in nineteen thirty two Jim Crow, Mississippi.

Speaker 4 (02:01:42):
What Oh, let me tell you, you know, I just
thought about it. I'm definitely going outside. I'm immortal. Oh,
I got work to do. Get the fuck out of here.
Nineteen thirty two, Mississippi. Everybody dying era, I'm not like,
got some work that's pretty what's that?

Speaker 3 (02:01:58):
That would would that? Would that be considered freedom for you?

Speaker 4 (02:02:02):
Nineteen thirty two. I can't die unless I get caught
in the sunlight and I got access to Tommy guns
and niggas are in the clan. Oh I'm sticking around?
What the fuck? Yeah no, we gonna we're gonna make
our mark on history. Like if anything, that should have
been the that should have been the argument. Hey, I'll
give you all power. I mean actually Remick does make
that argument. I can give you something that will help

(02:02:25):
you be able to basically fight back.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
Yeah, all right, let's not do this.

Speaker 4 (02:02:31):
But they didn't. They didn't concentrate their power because niggas
can't agree on nothing. This is the problem. We can't
come together. We can't come together. But if we could
come together, Oh, think about it, if all minorities had
vampire powers. This is awesome. That's awesome. This is my
this is my movie, Sinners to go outside. That's the

(02:02:51):
that's my that's my seat. Fuck that. Yeah, yeah, because
you're not married, that's why.

Speaker 3 (02:02:57):
Yeah, it's right now. I'm no boy, I ain't going outside.

Speaker 4 (02:03:00):
Yeah, yeah, you're gonna die, naic, We're.

Speaker 3 (02:03:02):
Gonna die anyway, but I'm not.

Speaker 4 (02:03:06):
You're gonna have flying powers. But look, you won't even
see you won't even hang out with your boyfriend with
the car warmed up.

Speaker 3 (02:03:11):
See that you made a mistake, as you know, not
change your mind.

Speaker 4 (02:03:16):
See that's how you God damn like you just go.
You're gonna just let you and to just try to
kill your wife.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
That's not my wife.

Speaker 4 (02:03:24):
No, it's her, you know it's her just like her.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
No, because she got the thoughts and feelings of this
Irish dude. You know, like, nah, yo, they know what
you're thinking. You know what you're feeling. They know what
you're feeling. Nigga, you know what that means? You have
sex with your wife?

Speaker 4 (02:03:41):
He having sex with your wife?

Speaker 3 (02:03:44):
No, No, I don't like, I don't care.

Speaker 4 (02:03:47):
Yeah, happy pride, that's fun.

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
I mean that's what did he know?

Speaker 4 (02:04:05):
How you like to be licked? Like again again? Is
really making an argument like you guys got to go
down on your wives? Like for real. It's the third
time I've mentioned this. Pay attention.

Speaker 3 (02:04:17):
Now I'm going on, do they have this? Do they
have all the thoughts because Mary and Stuck ended of
doing their own thing? Because no, but they no, no,
they left before he died they would right.

Speaker 4 (02:04:33):
But but the idea vampire rules, whatever that means, is
that you like whoever turned you. I think the idea
of whoever turns you has control over you to some
to some degree right, or some deeper connection to you.
Once Remick died, that connection is gone, right, So it.

Speaker 5 (02:04:54):
Would have been a real possibility that even though they
did run off, he may have been him. He would
have found them anyway.

Speaker 4 (02:05:01):
But since he died. See, that's all you gotta do, michaeh.
You gotta go outside, get your vampire powers, kill Remick
and do whatever you want. Nobody has all your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (02:05:12):
Go outside, get bit and then hope someone else kills
Remick because Remis knows, he knows your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (02:05:20):
You can't. You can't. Like you got his wife, I'm Jay, Okay,
Jay's wife.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
Now all we gotta do is kill the head vampire.
Oh wait, h you want to you want to do
what you want to?

Speaker 4 (02:05:33):
Kill me? No, but you gotta wait it out. You
got you got forever to figure it. Try to look
he got but he got to.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
But he know your thoughts, bro, you know your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (02:05:45):
You know your thoughts. Nah, Michael, the fact that you
wouldn't go outside for your for your wife.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
I would do what Smoke does and kill his wife
so that his wife is not tortured. That's what I
would do. Yeah, but you believe I have.

Speaker 3 (02:06:03):
That's didn't any say once you become a vampire and
you die, that's it, Like you don't even transition into
the next life.

Speaker 4 (02:06:11):
Well you can't until you get killed as a vampire.
I guess.

Speaker 3 (02:06:15):
Oh okay, I think you said like once you once
you did you did?

Speaker 4 (02:06:20):
Oh well, if that's the case, I don't believe. I
don't believe any of that afterlife stuff anyway, So I
might as well get superpowers. That's how I look at.

Speaker 2 (02:06:28):
This is hilarious. I don't believe in the acid life.
Just vampires.

Speaker 4 (02:06:32):
Yeah, no, that's where I draw the life. That's where
I draw the life. Like that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
Now to be fair, in the context, in the context
of this movie, we actually see evidence of vampires and
vampire powers.

Speaker 4 (02:06:45):
So I get it. I'm just saying, like, it's like,
you know, I believe in you know, people doing what
they want to do, but like also make sure that
people from high rule are the right genders or whatever
to play in a movie, you know, like that sort
of thing.

Speaker 5 (02:07:01):
That's actually perfect, that's actually perfect casting.

Speaker 4 (02:07:03):
It is it right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:07:06):
It is?

Speaker 5 (02:07:07):
She looks like like she looks like, yeah, she looks
like that's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (02:07:12):
How can you do this, like because high rule, because
we don't know the genitalia of members of High Rule,
Like I don't, I don't understand. It's very stupid to me.
So so everybody is like, all right, like we gotta
we gotta figure out what the is going on. Everybody
gotta eat eat some garlic. Make sure they're not make
sure they're not a vampire. Makes sense. Apparently Coogler was

(02:07:36):
inspired by The Faculty, which is a is a wild
movie for the scene, yep. And and so they all
eat the garlic. Pearline was like I don't really like garlic,
and and he is like, girl, eat the goddam of garlic,
like knock it off, like it, And so they all

(02:07:58):
eat it. Uh, Delta Slim eats it, but like he's
like he's like he's like, my nerves all fucked up,
and so he's okay. Like I was like, oh ship,
somebody about to get shot. Dude comes banging back on
the door, the one that like that uh they tossed outside.

(02:08:21):
Turns out it was just wine that he had on him,
and uh they went to go let him back in
and just just as they're about to let him back in,
Corumbray comes and grab him and turns him. So you
just kind of screwed that guy over. But now I
guess the lip forever he's got superpowers. Bo comes to
the door. He's like, hey, Grace, cars all warmed up,

(02:08:44):
come on to your let's go.

Speaker 6 (02:08:45):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:08:46):
She was like, nah, I'm good you.

Speaker 3 (02:08:50):
Your face is a messed up. No one's like shot
you half your face off, so you still look good?

Speaker 4 (02:08:54):
Yeah? Here you are, here you are yeah, yeah, he
looks fine.

Speaker 3 (02:09:00):
On the back. Yeah, you said on the back of
the shirt.

Speaker 4 (02:09:04):
Oh that's right, that's right, that's right, same.

Speaker 3 (02:09:07):
Thing where Mary got bit m hmm.

Speaker 4 (02:09:10):
Yeah. You don't want you don't want to fuck up there.
Look like, if you're gonna, if you're gonna mentally have
sex with these people for the rest of eternity, you
want to make sure they you know, gotta make sure
the money make us still look good.

Speaker 3 (02:09:18):
I guess yeah, Like like Marmbra would have been screwed
because I don't think that face would have regenerated at all.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
Marre's wife is pissed now, man, Yeah, like all this
is it on exit wound on the side of my face.

Speaker 4 (02:09:32):
Yeah, I feel like I feel like he got to
wait around for like top tier plastic surgery in like
twenty twenty five to get this ship fixed a long
long time. It's unfortunate. So so the Vampire's.

Speaker 2 (02:09:48):
Got Bo's uh. The vampire is trying to convince. The
vampire is standing there with Bo, and then the rest
of them come up and they're like, come on, man,
like yo, we can live forever. Man, we can live forever.
Right Like look, then white people that sold you this place,
they was coming to kill you anyway, brouh, Like we can,

(02:10:09):
we can come together and we can go get them, bro,
like just just just come just let us let us
bite your brother and and and they were like nah
and Grace and they they shut the door, and Grace's pissed,
and you know because like Grace is like, yo, we
gotta do something like right now. And then Smoker's like,

(02:10:30):
well hold up now, Graces, like nigga, shut up. They
threatened my children, like get the fuck out of here, bro,
like you the soldier, do some soldiering nigga.

Speaker 4 (02:10:40):
And don't say the N word to me. You're not
allowed to say that.

Speaker 2 (02:10:46):
And Bo is uh, Bo is outside taunting his wife,
blowing her kisses and ship and they're singing that pick
poor Robin clean thing that song. And this is when
uh Grace apparently has the crash out, as the kids say,
and you know, it cuts to it cuts to you know,

(02:11:10):
flashes of her daughter, you know, for the idiots who
don't understand why she's doing what she's doing, right, Like,
here's quick flashes of like her daughter.

Speaker 4 (02:11:20):
Well, they probably think it's her because remember they thought
Annie was Michael P. Jordan's mother, so they don't know. Well,
I don't know it was an Asian person. I guess
it's I guess it's her too.

Speaker 3 (02:11:28):
That she fishes me off. It is it is hard,
like how much that pisces me off? Because what what
it What it tells me is that you just don't
see dark skinned, full figured black women with with natural
hair as as love interests.

Speaker 4 (02:11:45):
Or sexual.

Speaker 3 (02:11:48):
Well you know sexual.

Speaker 4 (02:11:50):
And I don't mean that from a like exploitation, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:11:54):
Yeah, but but like a truly like full desire.

Speaker 4 (02:11:58):
That's that's the exactly one. I Look, she is for me.
Look you ever hear her like her natural accent?

Speaker 3 (02:12:06):
Yeah, it's so cute, it's so.

Speaker 5 (02:12:10):
I have Country.

Speaker 4 (02:12:17):
She showed up in that. I was like, look, Journey Small,
I love you too, but if you are cute.

Speaker 3 (02:12:24):
I saw some people saying like, well, because this is
how she looked at Loki, because I guess she was
in that right she was. She was a movie and
I was like, oh, look, what does that have to
do with her attractiveness?

Speaker 4 (02:12:35):
Uniform she's wearing like a military uniform in Loki, Like
none of it, Like there's nothing about her that is
like like this movie. It's it's not trying to be
exploitive at all. And I don't think it is like
she doesn't have any sort of sexuality in Loki, like
quite the opposite this movie. She absolutely does. Love Craft Country,
she does.

Speaker 3 (02:12:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:12:55):
I don't know how you could see that scene of
those of Smoke and Annie in that shack in the
beginning of the movie and just be like, I don't
find this attractive, like it's sexy as ship.

Speaker 5 (02:13:11):
Bro, It's I just I can I'll tell you exactly
what it is. Niggas like, niggas don't like black women.

Speaker 4 (02:13:19):
You know, at.

Speaker 5 (02:13:21):
Dark A lot of a lot of dudes don't like
darkskin black women. They like they like exotic looking women,
whatever the funk that means. And its just like again
I saw that, yeah that clip. I'm just like, yo,
and and someone in there in the comments section, this
is a black dude. He was like, I would take uh,
Grace and what's what's the what's the white woman and

(02:13:44):
Mary and that's it. I'm like, so just fuck Jamie
Lawson and wait.

Speaker 4 (02:13:51):
Wait wait he didn't even think.

Speaker 5 (02:13:56):
Yeah, this was a comment. This is a comment. So
I was like, I just respect. I just responded, like
you really hate black women, know she this isn't say
that's just my preference. I'm like, yeah, but she was
the white woman and the Asian woman. Okay, Like that
was insanity. I'm like he was like Cookie, Like that's

(02:14:17):
some self hate ship, right that self hate? Yes, Like
you're not gonna tell me any anything otherwise, that's fucking
self hate. That's crazy to me.

Speaker 4 (02:14:25):
Yeah, I'm looking at images of her from the love
Craft Country.

Speaker 3 (02:14:28):
Uh you shouldn't, ya should y'all should look at photos
from her from her press tour for Centers. Everything she
was wearing like anyway as the kids said, and and
something else? When yellow dress? When? When?

Speaker 2 (02:14:46):
When?

Speaker 3 (02:14:47):
When Comber came back and was like and and told uh,
try to tell and to shut up and was talking
to Smoke and she and she was like, no, you're
not talking to you talking to me? And how and
how Smoke had her back. I don't know how anyone
could have thought like, oh, there's just a mother and

(02:15:07):
son type of relationship.

Speaker 5 (02:15:09):
Yes, whatever. Again they say that ship because they don't
see it, like that's that's crazy. Yeah, it's fucked up.
It's it's super fucked up. Like these niggas ain't ship.
That just pissed me off.

Speaker 4 (02:15:25):
Again. I'd like to point you back to my rant early,
like it's again, you don't like dark skinned black women,
but also have the problem within a racial relationships, like
I don't know, man, I don't know what you're doing.
I don't know what the arguments are, Like, is there
like nine percent of black women that are acceptable to you?
I don't know. Yes, Look I'm weird. I find women

(02:15:47):
attractive period, so I don't I don't give a shit
about color.

Speaker 2 (02:15:52):
So I know.

Speaker 3 (02:15:52):
We were about to get to the part with with
with Grace in the flashbacks with her daughter, and you
can start to see her about to like, oh, as
Mike I said, crash out and about to make a
decision that's going to impact everybody. What were your thoughts
on her telling them to come in?

Speaker 4 (02:16:16):
It made sense, It made sense.

Speaker 2 (02:16:17):
I mean, I get it, Like it's not even I
get it.

Speaker 4 (02:16:22):
It's not it's not controversial to me, like even.

Speaker 3 (02:16:26):
Though she's doing everyone else because because essentially she's.

Speaker 2 (02:16:29):
Not in her right mind, like she's I get it.
I don't understand why people don't get it. And I
don't know, like they even try their best to gag
her mouth because they know she's about to do it,
and they know she's about to do it, not maliciously,
they know that she's about to do it because she's

(02:16:51):
in grief. And and if if if any one of
these characters, if these characters represent the seven Sins, she's
wrath bro and she is and she is about the
fucking onload. It's the she's the only character that has

(02:17:11):
a child.

Speaker 4 (02:17:13):
Right, I think I think being a parent, it's a
bit of perspective here, right, Like not that you can't
understand if you're not a parent, obviously, like right until.

Speaker 5 (02:17:32):
You have a child.

Speaker 4 (02:17:37):
But I do think I do think understanding like that
idea of she is literally not thinking about anything else
but the safety of her child. That's what she's thinking about.

Speaker 2 (02:17:50):
Like has shown that the flashes of her child while
she is fucking about unleash.

Speaker 4 (02:17:56):
Hell, like.

Speaker 3 (02:17:59):
She's assimilating to white suphimacy and destroying the community. Because
everything that.

Speaker 4 (02:18:03):
Can't be that can't be a take.

Speaker 3 (02:18:06):
Oh it was.

Speaker 4 (02:18:08):
I heard that, Yes, yes, that is that is That
is as dumb of a take, and this is I'm
gonna I'm gonna be a total dork about this, but
that is as dumb of a take as when people
said that the grandmother in Incanto was a villain, right,
They were like, she's the villain of the story. She's
a heartbroken woman, Like yeah, I don't look but yeah,

(02:18:40):
you don't have care. But but people had that take too,
that she, oh, she's the villain. She's not a villain,
like that was one of the movies that like, Disney
didn't have a villain. Like she's just a heartbroken woman
and she's just trying to keep her family together. That's it.
I guess the same thing. This woman isn't a villain
in this scene. She's in the middle of mental turmoil.

(02:19:03):
What the fun would you do something like I'm gonna
go kill your kid who's down the street. I got
your husband, I'm kill right.

Speaker 2 (02:19:11):
Yeah, I'm gonna make your husband kill you, right, and
then we are going to kill your child, right, what
the fu?

Speaker 4 (02:19:21):
Yeah, I'm going out there with the knife and we're
gonna settle this. Like, I don't understand how you don't
understand that scene. That's bizarre today.

Speaker 3 (02:19:29):
I think I think it's a couple of things, right,
Like one, if you compare her reaction to almost a
Stack smokes reaction earlier, when Stack is like trying to
get him to come out, and he's like, he's like,
you know, you're my You're my brother. You've always protected me,
and you know I'm on you know I'm a vampire
now and I don't want to do this, this life

(02:19:50):
of everything without you. And you see Smoke like start
to waiver a little bit, ye like and you and
but but but the purse he had there to bring
him back was Annie and and and as as opposed
to Grace, where Grace had nobody else there, Bau was
not going to be there the break to be like, hey,

(02:20:11):
he's lying, he's he's just trying to get you to
to he's really trying to get to Sammy. Because do
I really think that they would have gone to kill
what's her name if if Grace didn't come outside. No,
because because it's not, because Grace is not the end goals.
It's about Sammy at the end of the day. But
there's no way that Grace, that Grace has that kind

(02:20:33):
of mental clarity in that moment, and she has no one,
no one her her family is essentially gone if if
she if if if if Bo and them do end
up going to the town and not just not even
just killing her daughter because Grace, because Grace didn't even
just limited to her daughter. Grace said they're going to

(02:20:53):
go to the town and turn the rest and turn
everyone else into monsters too. So I think I thought
that was That was another point. And and also I
think it's okay to understand what Grace did and still
be upset at what she did. Both things can be

(02:21:13):
true at the same time, Like.

Speaker 4 (02:21:15):
You gotta be understanding of the point right.

Speaker 3 (02:21:18):
Right right, like because what she did did essentially doom
everyone else. And if we're talking about selfishness, there's actually
something there's I think Smoke. What Smoke did was actually
pretty selfish. And I'm like, you're just letting your brother
warm around his vampire and killing whoever? Okay whatever, I.

Speaker 4 (02:21:39):
Mean, if you if you're mad about that, are you
mad about Stack and what he does? Do people notice
that who turns Annie sacked? And he does it on
purpose because he looks at Smoke and he goes, everybody's
gonna be all right. He did it so that Smoke
would give up and then he would allow himself to
be turned so that he doesn't lose any spoiler alert,

(02:22:01):
Vampires don't really they're not really considerate, Like that's just
not a thing, not considerate, And they're not dumb.

Speaker 2 (02:22:09):
They're not dumb.

Speaker 3 (02:22:11):
They they are they are like the ultimate selfishness when
it comes to comes to desires, right, like I mean,
And it's because as human beings, of course they're going
to be like, you know, Mary is not going to
make a move on Stack when she's a human with
everyone watching because because of what because the consequences that
would that would await them if someone if it would

(02:22:32):
get back to her white husband. But as a vampish
is like, I don't give a fuck. Who want to
check me. I'm I'm a vampire out he about to
be a vampire to and we don't have to play
by anyone else's rules. Vampires don't don't play by those rules.
They they they they do whatever makes them feel good
good in that moment. And but I think it's but
I do think it's interesting where the selfishness. Yeah, yeah,

(02:22:55):
they're also not but like but like, but but I
feel like you have different cares that made different choices
that were selfish in the end, but you do understand
you don't have to agree with it. And I think
that's where people are kind of like trift themselves over grace.
They want to reason to they disagree with it, so

(02:23:16):
they say, like I don't get it. I do get it,
and I still disagree with what he did.

Speaker 4 (02:23:21):
Yeah, there's a weird thing of like, yeah, I'm glad
you made that point. Like there are times like on
our politics show all the time, I'm like, I understand
why someone did this horrendous thing. I don't agree with it,
but I understand their logic right Like it doesn't It
does not mean you actually agree with it. Like pretending
to not understand something just so you can feel like
you're morally separated from it is a very stupid way

(02:23:42):
of living your life. That's bizarre. So like, and I
also feel like, and maybe this isn't fair, but I
feel like these takes of the selfishness and everything else
are only aimed at characters that are not black in
this moment, and I think that's bizarre because again, Stack
is very selfish in turning his brother's girlfriend into or

(02:24:05):
the love of his uh, his brother's life into a vampire,
just so he can get his brother to turn Like
m hm, they all do this shit, like smoke.

Speaker 3 (02:24:14):
Smoke is selfish for letting his monstrous brother.

Speaker 4 (02:24:18):
Go into the world, right, Like, he knows that he's
not going to live forever, right, but you let your
brother go out there and kill or how many thousands
millions of people? So that just right? Like So, but like,
this idea of the selfishness is only aimed at these

(02:24:40):
non black characters is bizarre. And that's why, See, that's
why I don't trust takes like that, because it's not
that you don't get it is that you're you're hyper
focusing on one thing and ignoring all of these other
very obvious signs. There's plenty of characters to go around
that have this, Like I think that's kind of the
point of the movie, is that once you, especially once
you become a similar to something, you take on the

(02:25:03):
attributes of all of that ship. That's kind of the point.
But you know, I don't know, reading is fundamental, I guess. So,
so we see, you know, after Stack bites Annie, Smoke
is trying to trying to save her, but obviously he can't,
and you know, he says, I love you, and then

(02:25:27):
he then he stakes her in the chest, right killing her.
Then No, what I was gonna say, is my, my,
my theory about him doing it selfishly is proven in
that very next scene because when he goes to stab her,
he says, I love you Annie, Annie, excuse me. Mary

(02:25:47):
freaks out and she's like no, because she wants the
four of them to live forever together. That's the point.
So yeah, it's like it's it's proven literally seconds late.

Speaker 3 (02:26:00):
Yeah, and and then and then they and then they
both end up running away. But before before everything went down,
and you see Annie like she like toss to some
artifacts onto like onto the table, and I guess that
gave her a ninkling that she probably wasn't going to survive.
And and it was on my second viewing that I

(02:26:20):
noticed that Smoke also saw what was on the table,
and she did it a couple of times to kind
of confirm, and when he saw it, he was he
it looked like he understood it too, that Annie wasn't
going to survive, which is why they either were having
that conversation of like, if they turned me or they
try to turn me, stake me so I don't become

(02:26:41):
one of them. And I and I thought again that
that's a it's easy to miss if if if you're
not like if you're not paying attention to it, and
also if you don't believe in their relationship. But it's
also it just shows that like he trusts her so
like intrinsically that he you can tell he's not really
into probably the things that she's she grew up probably,

(02:27:02):
but he believes her and therefore he believes in what
she does. That is I don't it can't get any
clear about how how much both these characters love both
of their women, but especially Smoke smoking Annie in this case.

Speaker 4 (02:27:16):
Yep, absolutely right, we see to your point.

Speaker 5 (02:27:22):
Real quick, I'm looking at this scene right now to
your point. When Smoke Stack bites Annie, he looks at
fucking Smoke, it says everything's gonna be okay. Now that's
what he says. That's literally what he says is like okay, yeah,
you ain't gonna kill your girlfriend right.

Speaker 4 (02:27:37):
Right, And then literally right before he does, like when
he right before he kills Annie, Smoke or Stack yells
Annie and Mary yells no, and they both rush over
to try to stop him from killing her because they
want to be together forever.

Speaker 5 (02:27:53):
And as she was getting bitten, Annie is like, not you, no,
not you. As as Smoke was biting here, why would you, like,
why would you do this? Come on, Bro's just up
yeah you know.

Speaker 4 (02:28:06):
But again all you have to do is like look
at the mole, like this is the messages like.

Speaker 3 (02:28:14):
Uh said that. When when when they were filming, whenever
Michael B. Jordan's was smoke, they had all the chemistry
all like that, you could she was like, yeah, we
could really feel it together. But when as soon as
he was stacked, she was like mm hmm nothing. Nothing.

Speaker 4 (02:28:33):
That's a testament to his his ability as an actor.

Speaker 3 (02:28:35):
Yeah, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 4 (02:28:38):
He's a two faced jerk. That is what I heard that.
It's probably a ji or whatever. People. I can change him,
both of them.

Speaker 3 (02:28:51):
Just smoke.

Speaker 4 (02:28:53):
The same guy school.

Speaker 2 (02:28:55):
You know, I dap him up, tap him.

Speaker 4 (02:28:59):
That's wild. So then we then we see we see Remick.
He takes uh Samy outside after he he turns Pearline
as well, uh, which is said.

Speaker 5 (02:29:13):
Yeah, Pearline saved Sammy's life essentially.

Speaker 4 (02:29:15):
Yeah, she got in a way. Uh. Then you see
Stack and Smoke. They're they're actually fighting, and then you
you get like you get this whole scene with Remick
talking to Sammy. He's like literally fighting him in the water.
It very much feels like a baptism, like old school
of baptism. And he you know does uh he does

(02:29:39):
the the the Lord's prayer. I think that's what they
call it there, Micah, is that the new Do you
not know what the Lord's Prayer is? I know it, Okay,
I don't know. I don't know what else I have?
The needle camel, how are you heaven? Hallo? You guy name?

(02:29:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:30:00):
He also gives a basic basically a lecture of like
like yeah, those people, those men, they told us those
lies too, right, Like they fed us that same bullshit.
And they've they've fed us all that bullsh and and
and all they did was try to oppress me. And
I'm trying to help you. And this is like Remick

(02:30:24):
is a Bernie bro dude, Like like, I'm trying to
like we on the same side, bro, Like, I'm trying
to help you, but you're too stupid to vote in
your best interest by letting me take everything of yours.
He even says, I want your stories, I want your songs,

(02:30:46):
I want it. I want it for myself. He's he's
the ultimate Bernie bro dude.

Speaker 3 (02:30:51):
Yep, call them a little information voters.

Speaker 4 (02:30:57):
That's very good, man, that's very good. Uh So, yeah,
they're they're fighting. It's you know, it's sort of a
it's a dual fight, right, It's it's the brothers fighting,
and it's Sammy and Remick fighting. And then, uh, Sammy
takes the guitar and smashes it into Remick's head. Now,
because the it's got like that, it's got what I

(02:31:18):
assume is silver piece into it, it just kind of shatters.
The wooden piece of the guitar shatters, and then the
silver piece lodges into his head, which is unfortunate for Remick.
Uh and then you get a real look at like
their vampire design, which I thought was pretty good. It's
not bad. And uh yeah, like Remick is like all right,

(02:31:42):
like we're gonna make beautiful music together, like you're gonna
have the sweet taste of death. And right before he
tries to kill him, he gets staked in the back
and he gets sticked in the back by Smoke and
you watch him die as as Smoke and Sammy or
standing standing sort of with the sunrise as a backdrop,

(02:32:05):
which is a cool scene. It looks very good and
there's like a tornado of fire coming from from Remick
and then he dies, and I assume all the other
vampires died or the vast majority of them who didn't
get the fuck out of the sunlight. So you know
that is that is the end of that fight. Sam

(02:32:29):
Sam goes back to the to the church that we
saw in the beginning, and uh, we see Smoke sitting
there trying to roll the joint with his with his
PTSD and he's just he's like literally shaking, understandable.

Speaker 2 (02:32:46):
And so he just.

Speaker 3 (02:32:48):
Did you hear that it's Stack was the one who
would roll the joint for him.

Speaker 4 (02:32:54):
Yeah, in the beginning they do, like when when they
do the exchange, which makes sense right because he's got
like whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:33:01):
Horror and the war with the Jimmy Hands.

Speaker 4 (02:33:07):
And so the White Clans dudes, the guy who sold
him the place in the beginning, he shows up and
you know, they're like, all right, let's go kill some niggas,
and uh, Michael B. Jordan uh decides I'm just gonna
shoot these dudes from the woods. And that was pretty great.

Speaker 6 (02:33:27):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:33:27):
I dream about this often and.

Speaker 2 (02:33:31):
Smart nice little, nice little epilogue to nice little happy
epilogue to end the movie.

Speaker 4 (02:33:38):
I mean, was this the scene? Everybody was like, you
got to see the scene for yourself, like this is
amazing where they're talking about the music scene the music okay,
because I was like, I didn't find this to be
as uh, not that I love the scene, but I
didn't find this to be as like mind blowing, considering
I have these sort of twisted fantasies myself. So is
it twisted? Is it twisted?

Speaker 5 (02:34:00):
It's not twisted? Normal what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (02:34:04):
We all got something friends.

Speaker 2 (02:34:08):
Us, even if you were amongst enemies, fuck them.

Speaker 4 (02:34:11):
Yeah, if you're offended by this scene. Get yeah, yeah,
I know this this scene is awesome. I mean you
really get to like showcase Michael B. Jordan being a
fucking bad ass, Like, hey, why don't we give Michael
B Jordan a a machine gun and a in a
bloody wife beater and have him kill races? Hey, where

(02:34:32):
do I sign up? That sounds awesome? Is it?

Speaker 2 (02:34:34):
Two hours?

Speaker 4 (02:34:35):
Sounds great?

Speaker 2 (02:34:36):
So with you know, with the the whole tragedy that
happened with that Alec Baldwin movie where he killed someone
because they had the live rounds in the in the gun.

Speaker 7 (02:34:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:34:52):
Some of the behind the scenes stuff talked about how
you know, they didn't have live projectiles for the scene,
but they did have this I guess new technology, he said.
Ryan Coogler said, this is one of the first films
to use this stuff where it it mimics like it
the gun will fire and a casing will pop out

(02:35:16):
and smoke will eject from from the barrel, but there
is no muzzle flash, there is no projectile. So when
you look at the behind the scenes stuff, he's it's
just like that, right, and he's got the he's got
the recoil and all that. It just doesn't have the
muzzle flash and the muscle flash post and post production.

Speaker 4 (02:35:38):
So it looks pretty good to me.

Speaker 2 (02:35:41):
That and that was the point, right, it looked like
he was firing an actual gun because he was.

Speaker 4 (02:35:47):
I mean, you should do that in all movies then,
like if there's ever a chance somebody who get killed,
like and like muscle flash, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (02:35:57):
Muscle dangerous, right, live muscle flashes are dangerous, So right, exactly,
it's muscle flash in post production.

Speaker 4 (02:36:06):
Right, but like even even on the sort of cheaper
end of video editing, like I've seen muscle flash, you know,
like packs that you can buy, like it's not expensive. Like,
so the idea of not being able to do this
in big mainstream movies like this is this is the poss.

Speaker 5 (02:36:23):
Corridor crew, like the YouTube channel. They're like really big
on like realistic muscle flash. Right, and apparently this is
pretty good considering. I mean, it looks it looks like
it's just like a real muscle flash.

Speaker 4 (02:36:35):
Man. I if you hadn't told me that's right, I
never would have even I wouldn't even consider that it
was fake. I don't know. I haven't stood on the
north end of a gun often, so not really a
thing I know too much about. Again, I could watch
the scene on repeat forever. Uh he throws a grenade
into a little like pickup truck that would orgasmic?

Speaker 5 (02:36:58):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (02:36:58):
Probably? I loved it. I was a huge fan of
that one. The main guy was like, I got money.
He was like, yeah, I got money right here, fucking
shot a point blank range with a machine gun to
the to the gut. Great, you'll watch it every day.
And then he has a vision of Annie and their

(02:37:21):
their child that clearly had passed away. That was the
grave site that he had visited earlier when he went
to see her. So you know he's clearly dying, right
because he got shot.

Speaker 2 (02:37:34):
And she says, you know, like she refers, says, if
you want to hold the baby, you got to put
this cigarette down because I don't want that smoke to
get on it. Right.

Speaker 4 (02:37:44):
But like, obviously you know about his name, obviously, right,
But and I forget what his real name is. It's like,
I think Stack is Elijah.

Speaker 2 (02:37:52):
And and he's like I think, I think I think
Smoke is Elijah and Elias is Stack.

Speaker 4 (02:38:00):
Okay, but yeh, she calls him by his room his
nickname uh, and so clearly this is a vision because
he's dying and he says to the baby, pop is here,
and so he dies. Then we see Sammy holding on
to the sort of the broken neck of the guitar
as he's in the church and his dad is like,

(02:38:20):
you know, come to the church, boy, and he was like,
he pulls a j hops in his car and drives
as far away from the church as he can. It
goes in his life, and then we smash cut to
October sixteenth, nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (02:38:34):
Two, and this I have a day the David candy
Man released.

Speaker 4 (02:38:39):
Yeah that is a dope little that's a dope little
fucking note. Yeah, I didn't know that's that's that's a
classy fucking move. I really like that, which is obviously
a fantastic film, And then we see Sammy playing, and
then a little post credit scene we see dak And

(02:39:02):
and Mary in there nineteen ninety two, Garb coming in
with h Michael B. Jordan with the fucking Biggie Small's
cooogie sweater on and shit, which is I can't believe
people wore of those ever, And so yeah, they're basically
like Stack is basically talking to him like, listen, you know,

(02:39:22):
I made this deal with my brother that I wouldn't
you know, I wouldn't come after you. I wouldn't kill you.
I'd let you live your life. He also smells him
because he can tell when he's about to die, I guess,
and he says it won't be long for you, huh.
And so he's like, yeah, I can make you know,
can make sure you can stick around, like I could
do that, and Samy's like, nah, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (02:39:44):
Like like, bro, I'm fucking eighty years old.

Speaker 4 (02:39:51):
I mean I get the I get the impression. And
I saw this set. Other were other places too that
like he probably dies that night anyway, right, Like so
he was fine to like that's just his life, and
it seems like a pretty good choice.

Speaker 1 (02:40:04):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:40:05):
And so he you know, uh, Stack is like, look, man,
yeah the guitar, the electric guitar. Ship is like it's
all right, but I like I missed a I missed
the real ship. You still play the real ship. And
then uh, Sammy plays plays both of them like on
a on a on a regular guitar.

Speaker 3 (02:40:20):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:40:20):
He plays them some like original blues. And the guy
who's who's playing him is actually a very famous blues musician.
Uh anyway, yeah, but he got so, so that's kind
of cool. That's a that's a dope little fact. And
then it kind of shows when he had played for
Stack that every first time in the car and everything else,

(02:40:41):
and then Mary and and Stack they leave, they walk off. Oh,
and he asked him, like, what was it like for you?
And he and he said, yeah, it was the it
was like the last time I saw this son, it
was it was like for a little bit we were free,
like it was the greatest day of our lives or
something like that. So, which is dope.

Speaker 3 (02:41:03):
You know. It's also said like because according to vampire rules,
I'm assuming I'm assuming they can't see their own reflections either. Yeah, so,
which means he can't even look at himself and see
and see any part of his brother, Like so his
brother is gone.

Speaker 5 (02:41:19):
The last time I saw my brother.

Speaker 4 (02:41:22):
Forty Like what that's a really that's a really good point.
I never I didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:41:28):
I never. Wow, damn, I.

Speaker 4 (02:41:30):
Thought you were gonna just be crude and be like
that he can't see how fine he is or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (02:41:35):
I mean, it's I mean, it's it's sack so I guess.

Speaker 4 (02:41:41):
They're so different, so.

Speaker 3 (02:41:44):
The same actor, and.

Speaker 4 (02:41:45):
I'm just like, all right, well, I don't really I
didn't really care for his person Good to you, Michael B.

Speaker 3 (02:41:50):
Jordan's for acting, because I'm just like, yeah, he's cool.

Speaker 5 (02:41:53):
Because like the fact that you're like, the personality was
completely different is what threw them to you.

Speaker 3 (02:42:00):
Then tell you men, what should tell you niggas out there,
It is not how you look, It is your personality.

Speaker 4 (02:42:10):
Yeah, as long as you as long as you have
a great personality and look like Michael B. Jordan about
your personality, That's what I like Michael B.

Speaker 3 (02:42:20):
Jordan's or you feel like Michael Jordan have a personality.
I may have vibe, but I'm just like we can
be friends.

Speaker 4 (02:42:26):
Like do you have a twin brother who's not a dick? Okay, great, that's.

Speaker 2 (02:42:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:42:31):
I mean I thought that was pretty pretty sad, which
goes back to again, like how do you feel about
the endings for all these characters, Like, I mean, all
of them essentially die in some way, except for Sammy,
who rejected eternal life, which I don't know why he
would want to be eighty or seventy years old forever.

Speaker 4 (02:42:51):
At eight.

Speaker 2 (02:42:54):
I'm not trying to live period, I'd be fucking bold,
like I got work, I'm not gonna do. I got
to put up with with the with with with younger
and younger generations. You're just gonna get older and crotchety
er and today, Yeah, well saving time you fucked.

Speaker 7 (02:43:21):
Yeah to Alaska, hang out there, which I think outdoor rallies, right, sure,
go to coach at night, you'd be all right. So
a lot of food, a lot of opportunities there to
eat and hope whatever. Again, the concept of like of

(02:43:44):
of freedom, like is it is it worth becoming a vampire?
Because like, yeah, Mary and Stack end up they end
up together and there together for six years, but look up,
look up how much at least Stack has lost and
how much Mary has lost, and until one of them
decides to off the other or whatever, they're gonna be

(02:44:04):
living like that for forever. And then you have Annie
and Smoke. Do they find happily happily ever after? Even
though they kind of get back together in the afterlife?
Like I don't know, I thought I thought it was
pretty sad bittersweet in a way because they both end
up with their loves of their lives but in like
the most tragic of ways.

Speaker 4 (02:44:26):
Yeah, I mean it is. It is an interesting premise, right, like, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna be with this person forever, but
like now you're kind of stuck with these like kind
of weird rules.

Speaker 3 (02:44:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:44:40):
Yeah, and then like what if the person gets on
hers like fuck six thousand more years and this ship.

Speaker 3 (02:44:46):
But but but at least they can date out out
in the open without without worrying that they're that they're
gonna get lynched one way or another.

Speaker 2 (02:44:56):
Yeah, in the open at night at night, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:44:59):
At night, I tell you, right now, I tell you
right now. After six thousand years, i'd be like, oh
you sleep open the front. I gotta got quick, three
o'clock in the afternoon.

Speaker 3 (02:45:09):
You gotta get the out, okay, And and smoking ann
you are just living up in heaven with there with
the baby that they lost.

Speaker 4 (02:45:18):
They're like eternal baby baby again again outside.

Speaker 3 (02:45:29):
So I mean, I guess they found freedom.

Speaker 4 (02:45:33):
Like, yeah, I didn't. It wasn't that a thing in
uh in Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:45:36):
Who's that? Who's it?

Speaker 4 (02:45:37):
True blood? The one uh deboram Wool or whatever her
name is from? Uh daredevil, Yeah, she got turned to
a vampire, but she was a virgin, so every time
she had sex it broke her highmen.

Speaker 3 (02:45:48):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (02:45:54):
You should have been like can we do that and
then you turn me? After that, it was like nope
every time, and she was all horned up because she
was like twenty and it never had sex. It's hilarious.

Speaker 5 (02:46:04):
Is that the only other movie? Because like they the
whole like come in thing. They don't really do that
a lot in vampire movies, right, that's not one of
the trope that they really use a lot.

Speaker 4 (02:46:13):
I mean, is it like I have tote?

Speaker 5 (02:46:15):
No, I know they do it, but I don't The
last time I remember them doing using that trope was
True Blood, like I have to invite you into my
house side.

Speaker 4 (02:46:23):
I mean I don't. Yeah, it's probably not used that often,
but yeah, I mean it definitely is a trope, right,
I know, I.

Speaker 5 (02:46:29):
Know, I know it's a trope, but I don't see
them use it that much.

Speaker 4 (02:46:32):
Yeah, it's a good three with a vampire.

Speaker 5 (02:46:35):
You didn't I don't remember them using that trope and
the interview with a vampire in the show mhmm.

Speaker 4 (02:46:40):
They using the Lost Boys, uh and that's a class.

Speaker 5 (02:46:44):
He's fucking forty years old.

Speaker 4 (02:46:47):
Old ship the guy with the sex phone. All right, guys,
that was a very long episode, but I think it
was worth it, so thank you for listening. We will
be back next week for another preview episode. So yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:47:05):
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