October 2, 2025 • 55 mins
This week on Black on Black Cinema, the crew returns to announce the next film to be reviewed, Zoe Kravitz directorial debut, "Blink Twice." The film follows tech billionaire Slater King who meets a cocktail waitress Frida at his fundraising gala, he invites her to join him and his friends on a dream vacation on his private island. As strange things start to happen, and Frida questions her reality. The random topic this week is about a conversation between NY Times writer/podcaster Ezra Klein and Ta-Nehisi Coates who go back and forth about statements Klein and others made in the immediate aftermath of the murder of Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Right now, gon find the last down.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Befall me change. Let's wrap the chase on it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hello and welcome to a brand new preview episode for
Black and Black Cinema. I'm your host, Jay, I'm here
with my co host Micah Hey and Terrence.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
All right, guys, we are back. Tierra will be back
next week for episode two eighty eight. Blink twice. Look,
we've been looking forward to doing this movie. We asked people,
did they think this was acceptable for us to do
as a black movie. Survey said yes overwhelmingly. This is
Zoe Kravitz's directorial debut. The logline here for the movie
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is when tech billionaire Slater King meets cocktail waitress Frieda
in a fundraising gala, He invites her to join him
and his friends on a dream vacation on his private island.
As strange things start to happen, Freeda questions her reality.
Obviously this is Starian Channing Tatum. He's the biggest name
of this movie. Naomi Aki, Christian Slater. Randomly in this movie,
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an Ali shotcat. So look, if you've not watched Blink twice,
do yourself a favor, and if you have watched it,
like all of us, watch it again. I'm actually exciting
because my wife has not seen this movie. This is
on Prime. If you're a Prime member, it is is
free to you. So check out Blink twice and we
will talk about it in depth next week. Topic this
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week so sort of like some people wanted us to
do kind of a follow up as to all the
shit has happened post Charlie Kirk dying. That was our
last previous episode. Yeah, I'm sick of hearing about him too,
I agree, And it turns out some people had some
interesting things to say about it, and so this episode
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is more about that. So it will not necessarily be
a fall of about Charlie Kirk, but more about sort
of the general conversation surrounding him and general stuff. So
very specifically New York Times writer podcaster Ezra Kline, he
had written a piece and he had talked about how
Charlie Kirk had practiced politics the right way, and that
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pissed a lot of people off, like a whole lot
of people, because what the fuck are you talking about?
And one of the people that it pissed off. Was
is his friend who I think we all very much respect,
which is Tenahasee Coates. And Coates wrote an article basically
not just responding to Azracline statements, but responding to like
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how this country is behaving around the whole Charlie kirk
Thing and Coates had basically the view that all of
us had, which is, yeah, the guy didn't deserve to
get shot, but like that guy was a piece of shit,
so why are we pretending he wasn't? And so he
went on Klein's show and they basically had I thought
a pretty good conversation in a good back and forth
(03:16):
where he called climb out on number a number of
times on his bullshit that The episode, by the way,
from the The Ezra Cline Show is called Tanahasee Coats
on bridging gaps versus drawing lines. I would say it
is a good idea to go listen to that. It's
about an hour. It's just nice to hear smart people talking,
by the way, that are nice even if you disagree
with them, just not two fucking idiots. So but all
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in all, I'll go to you, like, what were your
thoughts on that conversation and we'll kind of run through
it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Go ahead, Terrence. I don't even think it was a
real conversation, honestly, I don't. I think Ezra Cline was
waiting for Tyna Haasty Coast to finish his sentences so
he could just kind of talk, right. I don't think
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he was actually listening toast to what he was saying,
because I didn't hear him. First of all, he didn't
explain why he felt that Charlie Kirk was was doing
it the right. He didn't kind of he didn't defend it,
like he asked him, like, what what's I didn't understand
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why you wrote it? And he never really explained to
him and he good, And I didn't get a good
explanation as to why he thought he'd outside of like
we lost and they won, so he must have been
doing something right. And when you look when you go
back to any of his like I know, we're not
supposed to talk about Charlie Kirk, but when you go
back to his when you go back to his debates,
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he was a lot softer in his debates, which sounds crazy,
but it's true. Then he was on his on his
YouTube show. That's like all the crazy quotes and ship
that he's that people bringing up. He didn't say that
in the debates. So when people just look at the debates,
they're like, well, he was taking out of context that
he wasn't that he wasn't a racist, he wasn't a bigot, Like, yes,
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he was, he just didn't say it during the debates.
He said it on the show, and you're like conveniently
leaving that shit out. And and also Tinysey Coote didn't
know who this guy was until he he did once
he found once he got shot, he did his research.
He's like, what's up with this guy? So he did
his research and he's and during this interview, he's like,
when I heard the things he was saying about people,
(05:34):
I'm like, he was like this, this dude's a hate monger,
which is what we said, and he was.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
He like, this dude is terrible. So how can you
say he was doing politics the right way outside of okay,
he riled up a base that went out and voted
for Trump, right, I mean, so he basically basically you
can just say whatever the fuck you want, no matter
how boring it is, and as long as you didn't
hurt anyone physically, it's the right way. That sounds like
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a bunch of bullshit to me. And he didn't say that,
but that's kind of what I got from what he
how he felt like during this interview is like, I
don't get it, man, I don't get it. Bro like
we cool? What Like that's weird to me. I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I don't mean to put words in Klein's mouth, you know,
I don't. I don't read too much of us with client,
but I know.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Who he is.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Doing politics the right way is is playing the political game.
I think, right, politics is all a game, right, It's
about like the act of politicking is to like try
and convince people to your side. And I don't think
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he was doing it the right way, but I think
he was doing it in a way that allowed him
to win. I mean, if that's the case, if Charlie
Kirk was doing politics the right way, then so is
Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And Donald Trump is the final boss if that's the case, right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Like he's like and and doing politics the right way,
Like it's it's not when I think of politics, right,
I think of politicians and I think of what they're
supposed to be doing they're supposed to, you know, represent
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their constituents, and you know, try to convince people, try
try to use using the the art of rhetoric to
convince people, hey, this is this is why we need
to do this.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But Charlie Kirk didn't do that from what I could see, Right,
I don't. I didn't watch Turning Point USA. I didn't
even watch his debates. I don't know much about the guy.
So you know, maybe I'm just talking out of my ass,
but I know what I heard, And what I heard
was some repugnant ship to steal your line. And it's
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not it's it's this mentality of it's this mentality that
that we all have now with politics. Nobody gives a
ship about people. They want to win. That's all it is.
And and it's and it's it's it's and and Es
(08:43):
reclined in that interview, is he is the He is
the pitch perfect example of what of what the left
wishes they could be. Right like the the the left
(09:03):
and the right aren't that different in terms of their
their will to like win and want to like at
all costs at this point, Right, And I think Ezra
Kleine is he's he's really someone. Someone in their comments
section made made the point that it's it's ideals versus
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lived experience, and for.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Me like that, I would make that exact point.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Ye yeah, like like one example of what MLK said,
the white liberal is fucking y years ago. Yeah, like
that's what he is.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, like both guys. And that's why
I've listened to I don't know, maybe three different episodes
where he's had Coats on for varying things like on
this one where Coach wrote the book after he went
to Gaza and another one, And I always enjoyed listening
(10:03):
to both of them because of that exact difference between
the two of them, because I do look, I know,
like I don't think that Klein quote unquote got this
one right at all. I don't. I think he sometimes
like he didn't, like, dude, what are you talking about? Right?
But for me, I like listening to the two of
them because of that sort of Klein has that ability
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to be what what I what I often think of
as like academic navel gazing, where like he knows a lot, right,
he academically knows yo history of racism, you know, world
history and things like that, and you know, American history,
and he understands it academically. He can open a book,
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he can tell you what fucking page is the site
and all this other shit. Coats can do the thing
because no, no, no, no, no, no, no, well, hold
on second. But I do think he does understand it.
But I think he's under standing a shallow right. It's
you can you know, it's the idea. And this is
where Coats is different. Coats understands it from the academic level,
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but he also grew grew up as a black man
in America, so you understand it from a street level perspective. Right.
That's where Coats's power is is you can listen to
this guy. It's not just because he sounds like every
nigguy I grew up, but like he just does. I
love listening to him talk. I do because I'm like,
whatever you're gonna say, wan, it'll be interesting because you're
incredibly smart to you just sound like dudes I grew
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up with like this from around the corner from me.
I just I think it's funny. But Coates understands it
in a very human on the street you know, for
lack of a better phrase on that level where Ezra
Client only seems to understand it from like I read
this in a book right now, he's like a Jewish guy,
So maybe he's experienced some some you know, specific shit
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in America. I'm not I'm not, you know, saying that
he has it, but it does not appear that he has,
and not every Jewish person has it. They're like, you know,
living my life. I went to school. Now I'm here, right,
But coach has clearly dealt with other shit, very you know,
very much close to the ground type of stuff. And
so listening to that debate and turns to you and
(12:13):
I came to the exact same conclusion. If there is
ever going to be any sort of like political revolution,
I don't mean, you know, with guns and shit, but
I mean, like political progress, it cannot be led by
white people. It just simply cannot. Even well meaning white people,
it can't because their blinders are so fucking large. Like
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listen to like, I don't think, I mean, Klein is
not even like I'm not, you know, I'm in the middle.
He doesn't say he was like I'm liberal, like.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
He's he's a liberal. He is a he is I
mean liberal, well.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
He makes no, he's not trying to like play both
sides or anything like that, but his blinders are so
fucking high. I mean that moment in the podcast where
he's like, you know, he says, well, Coach is like listen,
sometimes we lose and like it is what it is,
and he goes why that just feels like very fatal.
(13:10):
It's like he's based in history, like you want me
to do, Like it's not that Coach, Like he's not
even like an Afro pessimist, right, Like Coach is not
not an Afro pessimist terrences, but like, yeah, got me right,
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But I don't think Coach is a is an Afro pessimist.
But every black person, like you can't help but to go.
I mean, look at history. I'm speaking for a larger
group of people here, but like we're you know, we're
not exactly we're like pissed off, but we're not exactly
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surprised that this ship is happening. White people are surprised.
That's why you're getting all this like, oh my black
people surprise. I mean, how many times in that interview
did he go welcome to being black in America? He
said it like six times, like everything that you're experiencing,
political violence and everything else, all of those things we
have experienced just trying to exist to his point, like
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they killed Martin Luther King Jr. For preaching love, not
for preaching like the vision. He just love everybody. Like
that's how insane that is, right? So it but I did.
I did enjoy the conversation because it does make something
very clear to me. It's like y'all could be in
the coalition at some point, but y'all cannot be out
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front on this ship because you're just not capable. You
don't see America for what it truly is. You don't.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You don't see it.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
And I just just a quick point and I'll kick
it back to the both of you. Michael. You said
that politics is a game, right, and I agree with you.
It is. There This guy I follow his name. He
goes by Doss discourse on social media'. His name is
Joshua Doss, black dude from Chicago. He's a political polster.
He's really good. He's been on like CNN and stuff too.
(15:08):
That guy says something and I think is like the
best description of politics, which is politics is a game
of focus. How can I get you to focus on
this Yeah he's got the rods and ship. Yeah, Like
it's how do I get you to focus on this
other thing while I'm doing this other thing? And I like,
that's exactly right. Like the Charlie Kirk thing is a
prime example of that. Focus on Charlie Kirk. Focus on
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Charlie Kirk. I got all this dirty ship we're trying
to do right, smashdown free speech and all that sort of stuff,
Like it is a game of focus. That's exactly to me.
It's an exact, perfect, uh description of it. So yeah,
I was just but no, I don't. I don't. And
it's not that I don't trust white people. I don't,
but I don't trust white people to lead any sort
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of like we're moving forward, we gotta tear the system
down and build a new one. Not you, not you?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
What is that new one going to be? Because during
this interview, he when he he asks him, I think
when it when uh, he says, when Obama won, they
were like I don't know how many senators that were
like centrists or but I think they were.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Public what blue dog democrats blue.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Dog democrats in certain states, And I'm like, He's like,
well that was then there are none now And I'm like, well,
if you want the party to move more left, they
can't be in the party, like we're a big Like
clearly this this, this, uh, this disagreement they had like
proves that it was the left.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
It was of themixty five this proves like this, this,
this conversation with them proves that the left is a
large tent.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
You can have very different opinions on certain things as
opposed to like conservatives, which is one of the reasons
why it's very difficult for ust of all, because our
tent almost seems too large. But we wanted to be
as big as possible. But we need you motherfuckers to
act right. We need you. Like again, all of this
could have been could have None of this would have
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happened if like more people didn't vote. We had a
very simple task and all they all we asked of
you is to vote. Maybe okay, fine, you didn't like
Kamala Harris, but like, our tent is big enough for
all of you. If all of you guys went out
and voted and not pitched a fit, yep, we wouldn't
be in the situation where in now and that's where
I think line like, yeah, they focused on the wrong
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shit and we just they beat us in that at
that game. And I think that's the only thing that
Klein was that cares about, like why did we lose?
Why did we lose? And and coach is like this
is nothing new, like he was. It almost seems like
a clin was willing to throw Like again, I think
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Obama was against gay marriage. I don't think he was
against it, but like he couldn't say he was for
it if you want to say it, right, yeah, he didn't,
like I don't think he don't think to give a fuck.
But then he had Biden was the one with the
Biden the white guy.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Right, but he literally was on on record being pro
gay marriage before he ran for president, like.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And then he had to be like yeah, And I
think I feel like Klein would do the same with
Kamala Harris as far as like trans writes, he would
kind of like, you know, maybe not talk about that ship,
which she didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
During her she did not.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And a lot of people said, like she threw trans
people under the bus, and like, no, she didn't. She
didn't talk about it because it wasn't that important to her.
But I think Klein would be like, if you were
talking about it, shut the fuck up. We just need
to win. And Coach is like, no, we can't do
that because that's inhumane. That's the difference between those two,
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Like like he I'll do whatever it takes to win,
even if we have to get some centris, even if
you have gets some people on the right, Like how
do we lose these people on the right. They're fucking crazy,
that's why we love them. They're racist, So like trying
to talk to them to bring them back. I think
Coats would also say, like I wouldn't be opposed to
talking to them, but like, you know, good luck trying
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to get them on your side.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You didn't, And I don't think I don't think they
really lost people on the right, Like the people on
the right aren't budgeting what you did. Was you lost?
You lost the normal people who like don't really care
either way. Yeah, But and but like there's a thing
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with like most people just want to be left alone.
And I think I don't know, we're look, we're in
a we're in a weird time because hate is something
very easy and it's an easy emotion to elicit in people,
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and it's an easy emotion to act upon. It doesn't
take any thought, it doesn't take you know it, it's
id right, whereas love and building takes planning and time
and patience and forethought, measuring twice before you cut.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Right, effort, effort, right fight.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Anybody can just break ships.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Super fun and easy. It's it's easy.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And fun, right, and a.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Little bit to do. You literally paid to break ship. Yeah,
press that, but we don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I forgot where I was going. But like, we just
live in this time where it's so easy to to
channel hate and I understand that, like I understand the
desire to win, and and especially on this side where
we are where we are on, I really do understand
the desire to win. But you can't lose your humanity
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in the pursuit of that, because you will just end
up You'll you'll end up not you won't end up
like them, Right you could, you could, right, you could.
I'm thinking of I'm thinking of a couple of a
couple of former conservative turned leftist turning back to conservative.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Who you're talking.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yes, I don't know what they got going on.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But that's but that's what happened winning at.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
All Right, that's and that's it. That's what happens when
you just when you when you're only focused on winning
at all costs, like you, you lose your humanity to
that ship.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Look, and it's just it's just it's not a don't
want to be that. I don't want to be that, right,
I mean, look, look, I am a I am a
very very liberal person. Annoyingly liberal, some would say, yeah,
I mean even me, Okay, even me, I've seen worse
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I have, and those people, I'm like, Jesus, what is
your like?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Y'all need to calm down.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
A bunch of professional overthinkers.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Chill out. There shouldn't be no one should have to
pay rent, all right, relax, calm down, shut out. So
so I say all that to say, like, I'm extremely
liberal person. However that idea like being liberal is exhausting.
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And I don't just mean to the people that were
constantly preaching to right, like the Mark marriage joke, like,
you know, we just annoyed people into fascism. Right, you
guys are aware of that. He's not exact live wrong,
But when you are on that side of trying to
be respectful of people's humanity and you are trying to
to to Mike's point, trying to build things and not
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trying to just destroy things. It is a constant fight.
It is a constant fight, like this idea of like,
oh we gotta vote again every four years. Yeah, niggad.
This is a perpetual battle, like this is a war
going on. You have to keep fighting. And the problem
is when you're just in the business of breaking shit,
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you're not that exhausted all the time. You just show up,
Oh did you just build this? Cool? Smash it. I'll
see you in four Like, they don't have to work
that hard. But when you're constantly building, constantly putting pieces
in place to try to protect what you've built and
try to make sure people are okay and respect the
new things that come up. Oh shit, we didn't really
know about you know, we didn't really think about trans
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people for the last thirty years. That's a new battle,
all right, come on into the coalition, all right. I
got to try to understand it, all right, Cool, Maybe
I got some weird shit I got to personally deal
with because I'm trying to grow as a human being,
because that's my whole thing is about becoming a better
person over time and growing.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And shit like that.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I got to bring you in now, I gotta protect
you that. I got to explain it out to fucking
troglodites why you matter as a human being. That shit
is exhausting, But you have to do that in just
winning to win and not doing those things. Yeah you
could win, but at what cost? Right? The prime example
of that is Coats had the ability to understand something.
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And I talked about this on Look Forward all the time.
There is reality and there's political reality, and for some reason,
people think that those two things are exactly the fucking same.
They are not. They're not at all. Politics does not
work in the same way that our reality, normal reality works.
And he was like, look, did FDR want to make
sure that black people couldn't use these you know, social
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security when they created it. He was like, I don't
think that's true, but he had to as a compromise
to get it passed. And he goes, if I was
alive back then, it would while I would have understood
it politically, it still would have been up to me
to yell and be like, don't fucking do that, don't
fucking do that. Don't exclude back black people. He was like, look,
when I wrote my article about reparations, do I think
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it's politically smart for Barack Obama to go out there
and be like, oh, for reparations and this was shit?
He was like, fucking no, that's crazy. You'll lose. So
you do have to play politics to some degree, but
you have to understand what your position in the shit is. Right.
Obama couldn't go out there running in two thousand and
eight and be like, I'm you know, I'm all for
gays getting married. He would have lost. He would have lost,
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like period, he would have lost. But he was able
to get in there and get Supreme Court justices in
there who got it done. And like you pointed out earlier,
they used Biden as a trial balloon and was like,
all right, tell these niggas be cool gay marriage. And
I was like, that was cool gay marriage. And people
were like yeah, he was like cool, good, all right,
let's go. That's what they did. That was playing politics.
But Klein was like, yes, those things were, but we
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should do that all the time about everything. It's like,
but you can't, because you can't just sell gay folks
down the road. You can't just sell black people down
the road, because where does it stop if you want.
If white politicians want ultimate power, they could toss black people,
They could toss Latin folks, they could toss a gay folk.
Just toss everybody in the wayside. Hey, I got power,
And then everyone's like, cool, fuck you, because I don't
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understand that you're playing politics. All I saw is that
you threw my community to the fucking waistside. And it's
easy for white men to say that shit because they
never get tossed to the waistside. Henceforth, why you cannot
lead true progress in the country. You're completely incapable of it.
You are, And I know there's a white guy listening, like,
but what about me? Chet I understand your position, but
(26:44):
you got to get it back to You can be
in the coalition, but you cannot lead like pat.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And I would make the argument that had it, had
the economy not been absolute garbage, I don't think Obama
would have won anyway.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I think that probably don't.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I don't think Biden would have won if COVID hadn't happened.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I think that's probably true.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So we don't really live in we say, like I
think there are more progressives in this country than that
people think there are. But I don't think we live
in a progressive country honestly, No, or the progressives in
this country are just so lase fair. They just you know,
just shit happens, but like it has to be catastrophic
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and then we're like, well, let's try this Democrat that
always seems to fix shit, and then once things are fine,
let's put this Republican back in and fuck everything up.
I don't I don't understand that logic. I still to
this day, I just I don't get it. I've been
voting since for twenty five years. I don't understand. I
(27:50):
don't understand why they keep doing this shit. They literally
destroy everything, and this is the worst I've ever seen
in this country, at least in my lifetime. Yep, So
gonna happen in the next three and a half years,
because right now it's really fucking bad. Who knows what's
gonna happen in the next two years, Like they're doing everything.
They're at like warp speed. Now, who knows it's gonna
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like maybe things will die down in the next two
or three years, but the damage has already been done.
And people are just gonna be used to it when
the midterms come, That's what I'm saying. Like, so, when
the midterms come, we might win, but it's only it's
only right and with the whole jerrymandering ship that they're
(28:32):
trying to do in all these states, who the fuck knows,
but they we might win in the midterms. But like,
are people gonna vote in the midterms, I mean both
are they gonna keep paying attention?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I mean, but that's the point, Like you're flooding the
zone with ship. You are to Steve Bannon's you know,
very famous line, right, but he was right, you just
keep flooding people with so much stuff they just turn off, right.
It's a denial you know, denial service attack. Fucking keep
beating the machine to it goes all right, all right,
I fucking turn off right like it just but that's
(29:08):
human beings are are susceptible to it as well. Like
that's clear. And I mean I guess for me, I
don't know what the next president looks like if it
is a Democrat, I do know that their entire eight
years is going to be about trying to fucking patch
up the giant hole that is a chip that is
(29:30):
causing it to sink. That's their entire job. And so
this idea of like we need like I do need
like liberal minded folks and Democrats to understand that their
job is to fix the ship that is sinking, not
necessarily to right the ship. So we're like heading into
progressive land. That's not the job of the next eight
years the next The job of the next eight years
(29:51):
is just to put a fucking patch on the ship.
That's it. And that's a huge fucking hole they have
to deal with. So I don't want to hear anything
about like I want these things. Motherfucker. We are starving
and no one's buying our soybeans. We are in a
world of fucking trouble, right because you know, three years
of that ship, China is like, oh, did you guys
(30:12):
take away the tariffs? We don't care. We were already
buying them from Argentina and that's our new fucking shipping lanes,
and we just don't come to you anymore. That's that
ship is just gone. What do you do?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
He just did they destroy the fucking They destroy the
soybean market. He destroyed it in six months. But they
voted for it.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
That's all crazy, Like this is this is what this.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Is what pisses me off about this, This about this
interview that he had, Like you want to win, and
I get it. And these people constantly vote against their
own interests. They just do. I don't understand why you
think we lost these people when we never had them
to begin with.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I think that's a very good point.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
We never like what do you like Michael said, like
they they weren't there, like they cost vote, but they're
in red states they vote Republican and like this is
like the ultimate, Hey, we don't really give a fuck
about any of you people. And the mask is off
at this point, Like Donald Trump doesn't give auck about
anybody but himself, but he has a bunch of ghouls
in office with him. Like Stephen Miller is like worse
(31:19):
than Donald Trump. Donald Trump is an old man. He's
he's like he's he's got the slight dementia. Is uh, well,
he's complete. Steve Stephen Miller is like forty, he's young,
he's a lunatic, he's a bit of a Nazi. He's
got a lot of years ahead of him if he
(31:40):
stays in politics. And that's a bad, bad thing that
we can't. We can't he needs like he can't be
anywhere near the levels of power. He just can't.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
He's pretty close right now.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
He's right there, but he like you have to realize
some of the people that he had. Like it's weird
because I was thinking about this today. I feel like
the Republicans skw more young Like the Republican Party, I
feel I feel like they were sku younger than the Democrats.
I mean, we have like the squad, we have Jasmin
Crockett and all of them, but like the rest of them, mothers,
(32:17):
they're fucking old.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
There's a lot of that's they're very old.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And that was the and that was the genius, not genius,
that was the cunning that Charlie Kirk had.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Ye he was.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
He would go to these camps. Started at eighteen, he started. Yeah,
he would like and debate kids.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
And he would write he would debate kids, right, And
those debates they weren't really debates, right, Like if they
didn't devolve into screaming matches, they would they're they're they
would consist of nothing but logical fallacies. Uh and and
but he would get people younger than him because young
(32:59):
people don't know ship. It's not their resaults, but they
don't know ship. So you got this guy and look,
I say it about Jay all the time. If you
say something, if you say something with a bunch of confidence,
it don't matter what the fuck comes out of your mouth.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yea, and that.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But that's why they skill young that and that, and
and then it leads into like all these podcasters who
you know don't know ship, and then they'll tell you
they don't know anything. But they don't make good faith.
They're not good faith, Like they're not trying to get
people that like they want to They want to just
(33:40):
hang bro, they want to sit They want to sit
around and hang and listen to people talk about dumb ship.
And that's that's like, I don't know, man, it's just
real frustrating. I've never been like this frustrated in my life.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
To live through the eighties, yo, And I'm like kids
in the eighties, but like so we were like if
we were if we were in other twenties in the eighties,
I feel like we would feel a little bit. We'd
be like God, damn.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, yeah, I need.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I need this ship to hurry up. And I need
to hurry up and weather this storm so that we
can get back to some fucking normalcy.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Because none of this shit is normal. We cannot we
cannot become complacent and be like this is just the
norm now. People just getting fucking.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Look going around telling general I don't want to see
fat generals, bitch do a pull up?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I looked at that video, and apparently in that video
it was like the whole you know, like the Fitness Challenge,
it was supposed to do one hundred push ups and
fifty pull ups in less than ten minutes, And I'm like,
but they didn't show him. They didn't show him or
rfkjun you do the full thing. So like ten minutes,
don't believe any of you niggas did any of that.
(35:04):
One should? That should in three minutes twenty nine seconds.
She was she was crushing, all.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Right, Well, good for her, but who else.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Is she was in? She was in the military though,
so you know, all right?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Also fifty pull ups so kipping pull ups then not
really pull ups.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Hell no, I can do one hundred push ups fifty
pull ups real pu up.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I can do one hundred dead hand. Get the fuck
out of here. No, I want to see your back
because your back must be fucking huge. Get the fuck
out of here.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
No, I can't do fifty. I can do like ten
at a time, but like, yeah, hell no.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Your back, your back must look like a topography map.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yo, cain't under three in under ten minutes, I will
be deeply impressed. No, shut the fuck up. And I
know I'm too clown ass niggas can't do it. That
punk fish couldn't do a chin up shit, but he
had his knees in that little jaw, this whole body.
(36:00):
Get the fuck out. I hate that.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
But in that video, because I watched the video on
it's only like a three minute video, and they kind
of like a bunch of quick cuts. They said that
he did it in five twenty five and RFK did
it in like five thirty something. I'm like, I don't
believe you. That's a lie. He's way better, is a
fucking he's on all the fucking steroids show. Don't really
(36:24):
he's fucking seventy like that.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Okay, buddy, No, this is all natural. I just take
iver macton. That's why I look like that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
They call this a secretary of war clown. This is
what this is what we're this is what we're dealing with.
They changed it to the Department of War, but not
the President of the President of Peace is supposed to
huh an official.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Right, Like that's a that's an act of common and
they didn't do that. So they were just like this
is nickname it like they're lazy. They're just like politically
also very lazy, which is a great sign for people
to look up too. I mean, look, at the end
of the day, I think the sort of the largest
takeaway here is two things. One, why people should not
(37:09):
lead any level of like real progress in this country.
Absolutely not get the fuck out of here, sorry to say,
not really sorry. The other aspect of that is you
have to understand where you should understand that like people
have other perspectives in you, and that your blind spots
(37:32):
are very can be very serious in fights like this, right,
Like if if we listen to klient and be like, oh,
let's not maybe we don't talk about the gay thing
and stuff like that, like whatever you think of like
Pete boodhaj Edge, Like why should that guy get tossed
to the side because because he's a gay man, that
we should just like not consider him as a politician.
(37:53):
That's ridiculous, right, you know, communicators. Yeah, like so he
should just be told white you know, look, he could
be in the coalition. You cannot lead like you get
like you can't you know, like, look, you be president.
Presidents do not lead big progressive rebellions. Like that's not
(38:13):
necessarily the truth. So like so you have to understand
what your blind spots are. And look, I will give
Klein this is that at least he surrounds himself with
people who maybe can call him out on it. But
I do agree with you, Terrence, that it did feel
more like he was just wanting to say his piece
and not necessarily listening all the time to what Coach
(38:35):
was saying. But look, I mean, I think Coach did
a great job of being like listen, putting this shit
in a historical presence, you know, you know, sort of
historical view. None of this ship like it's different, but
like fundamentally it isn't. Which is like political violence, you know,
conservatives of whatever party doing dirty shit to each other,
(39:00):
trying to win it all costs and don't care how
much you destroy the country and stuff like that. Yeah,
and you know, like on look Forward, I Brad, and
I don't know if we said it online or offline.
I said, listen, you want to know if like the
country will like swing to Democrats or what have you,
or like swing left and try to, like, you know,
save itself. It depends on how bad white people get hurt.
(39:22):
That's it. It is how bad do white people suffer
in the next four years. If white people suffer a lot,
then you got yourself a chance. If white people are like,
you know what we're doing, all right, we're fucked, we
are fucked, they'll be like, you know what jd Vance
given mate, because they're not learning or out. Those farmers
got to lose everything. I hate to say it, they
(39:43):
got to lose everything. Don't bail them out. They got
to lose everything because they will not learn. They will
not learn, And so they start to see their buddies
start losing all their farms and shit, and they they're
eating they're eating soybeans breakfast, lunch and dinner, and shit.
They will not learn. They won't because every time they
fuck up and they and they put a Republican in
(40:04):
the office who fucks them up. Every single time they
get a big fat bail out, and I think Trump
played them. Gave him a big fat bail at the
first time, and he was like, yeah, yeah, yea, I'm
gonnave you another bail out. Don't worry about it this time.
He's like, huh, new phone ain't helping them because then
all this shit's gonna get brought up by big corporate
farms that hit all his buddies know, so he doesn't
give a show.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Got in a slight argument online about why the government
was shut down and someone it was on it was
on Instagram because those people are dumb. He was like, hey,
maybe we should only worry about paying medical medical bills
for people for Americans only. I'm like, you don't know
why the the government shut He was like, because they
wanted to pay for they wanted to pay for illegal
immigrants medical bills. I'm like, that's not true. That's what
(40:49):
they told you, but that's not the case. Like I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna argue with you. Just know
that you're fucking dumb. And he's like, it is, look
it up and I'm like, I'm not gonna look it
up because I even know the truth. Like if I
look it up and post an article, You're gonna look
even dumber. So I'm like, Okay, here's the thing. Anybody
else is paying attention to this particular thread in this
fucking on this on this video, y'all do the research
(41:11):
and you post it because I'm not doing it. Like
I'm not doing it. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
I'm not gonna get They don't the government services like
that like they did again, Like I'm like, that's what
I said, is like they've been paying them.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I'm like, no, they don't. They don't. They pay taxes,
They pay twelve billion dollars a year into that shit
and don't get any benefits from it.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Not a single one. And y'all can blame it. Need
to go. I'd be like, bring more of them. This is.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's free money man that they don't get. But like
again I said, I said, I know you're not gonna
because I went to the page and it's like conservatives
conservative as fuck or something with a middle finger up
that's what was under his little profile. I'm like, well,
you're an idiot, you're old. I looked at the profile.
I'm like, I'm not like, I'm not going to argue
with you because I know you're not going to actually
(42:02):
look up the fucking real facts on as to why
this is. But like legal lemigans don't get any kind
of financial benefit from the government when it comes to healthcare.
But I know you're not gonna look it up. So
we're done and he's like look it up and I'm
like again, like I said, I knew you weren't going
to look it up because you're a fucking maron. Like
(42:23):
that was it.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I can't just sidebar sidebar. I don't care what political
alignment you are. If your politics are your personality, if
you have that, you need to go outside, like get
a friend, get a hobby, like I I've never seen
(42:44):
so many I've never seen and look, it's normally on
one side. I mean, let's be honest, like they're walking
around with little red hats clashing with the outfit and shit, what.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
They want you to know? Yeah, they want like just
to be notice me, notice.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Me, pay attention to me, right, like get a hobby, yo,
Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Anyway, So it's like you're pathetic, Like you're pathetic.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
I mean, it's kind of sad, it's kind.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
So when again, when I read that article, like he
was what was that?
Speaker 3 (43:25):
No, I was gonna say. I saw I saw today
someone to photoshopped the Maga had and it said this
hat makes vaginas dry. I was like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
That's about right. But so when I saw that article,
I didn't even read. I didn't read the Azrakliner. I
read the Coast article. I read all the ship. I
read his book to the latest book was really good
about him in Israel. I'm like, what how did he do?
What are you talking about? Like I thought you and
(43:55):
it was Ezra Klin. I'm like, you're better than this, dude, what.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Are you talking?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
You are?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
You are? You're better than.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
This is because he's white and you feel like now
you might be a target, so you got to kind
of like get white washed to shit. I don't I
don't get it, Like what is that all about?
Speaker 3 (44:09):
I think?
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I think I think it was the way he died, right,
I think it was the way he died and much
less how he lived. Like because like when people are
murdered like that, when white people are murdered like that,
like white people have a tendency to I guess when
(44:33):
anyone dies in a horrific way, people think about their
own mortality, Like I truly believe that it's I truly
believe that it's it's it's comes from a place of
like selfishness, right, Like you're thinking about yourself and then
you don't want people.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
To I don't even want to say selfish, but self preservation.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Self preservation, Yeah, that's more. That's a more accurate term.
And I think people they're like, well, man, I hope
nobody talks about me like that. Maybe I shouldn't be
talking about this guy like that, and like that's the estiment.
So I I get the I get I understand the logic.
(45:12):
But you know, he saying nothing is an option, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
That's what he was, Like, what silence not an option?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
It's a lex version of like shutting up. It's like
shut up.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Just shut the fun up, nigga.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
But then but then I saw but then I saw
I did.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
He was like, what did he say? I didn't like, well,
I kind of kept it, you know, I kept it
among friends. I didn't really say anything out like a nigga.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, like we literally we literally have moments of silence
in order to you know, pay respects to people.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Like but and then I.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Saw people someone made their comment, you know, like what
silence is not an option? That was a bar right,
And then under those comments, people and then under those comments,
under that comment people were like, silence is violence and
and silence is complicit and.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I don't read the comments.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Silence is complicit and what do you have to But
aren't you mad at people for commenting on the show?
Shut the fuck up? See see there are people worse
than me. They're definitely people worse liked. I don't. I
don't like your logical behavior, like it really.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
It's like, yeah, silence is an option because like if
I say, well, that dude was kind of a piece
of ship in life, then I'm the problem. If I
say he's a throatcoat now, then I'm the problem. Right,
So I'm gonna ask I don't funk that dude. I'm sorry,
Like I can't. I can't feel sorry.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
For because I'm laughing, not because I'm upset for what
you said. I don't give a fuck I have said
on More Told podcast. I find it. I find that term.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I find that term very disrespectful, uh to the actual
performers who are throat goats. Yes, uh in in in
the industry, right.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Your Tiana Trump's your your your body.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Don't don't don't belittle those fine performers by comparing them
to this guy.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Excuse me? So they had.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
So yeah, like if I say that out of out
of all the repugnishan he said on his podcast, and
like people say, hell, well, he took it out of context,
Like there's no there's no context that you can put.
Black women don't have the brain, the processing power to
which that context was taken. You can't make that. You
(47:50):
can't white watch that.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
He was just talking about certain certain people, only black women.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Like what the some of the smartest black women in
the country, right he was talking about So if if
they if he's talking about the smartest Black women in
the country, what about the rest of them?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Right?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
What does he think of the rest of the smart
the black women? You see what I'm saying? Like, right,
well you do? What is what? Was he saying that
all of them are dumb? They're too stupid? That's what
he's saying. He's saying niggas are dumb. That's basically what
he was saying in that fucking So am I supposed
to give a fuck about that guy? I don't I
(48:25):
don't know. And I see niggas, I see black folks
like coming to his defense too. He took all that
shit out of context, Like yo, you can't man. So again,
going back to client, I'm like, you can't that that
was a terrible Maybe in the in the piece, he
wrote something that wasn't like maybe he just wrote the
title to be like clickbait. Maybe I should read the piece,
(48:48):
but I don't think I should. I don't think I
feel like doing it.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
But I'm just going off of the things he said
in this interview. But yeah, I mean he said that
he got called on that or whatever. But like I'm
just I am just addressing stuff in the interview and
like yea, But my thing is, I don't know why
I have to pretend to be nice to a person
who couldn't give a fuck about people who look like me.
(49:12):
I don't. I don't get that. And if you're a
black person, like defending Charlie Kirk, I'm not talking about
defending that he shouldn't have been shot, that nobody is
arguing that he should have been shot, but defending like
his stuff was taken out of context. I will put
up the same thing that I have put up many times.
Please send us a message on this YouTube channel. I'll
be happy to have a conversation with you and debate
(49:34):
you about it, because I would make the argument that
either you're a fucking lunatic racist yourself and you hate
your own people and yourself perhaps, or you never listen
to a thing Charlie Kirk actually said, and you're defending
it as a fucking reflex And I think that's what
a lot of white people did. I'm Charlie Kirk. I
got white kids saying I'm Charlie Kirk. Really, so why
don't you Why don't you get your white kids to
(49:56):
go on the internet since you've used them as it's
like political weapon, and have them repeat the words of
Charlie Kirk. Why don't you do that and let that
shit follow them for the rest of their fucking lives.
But you won't, just like the people who got fired
from their jobs for posting what he said on their
fucking social media. That's how bad the ship he was
saying that you know, trans people should be stoned to death,
(50:20):
that's the ship your fucking support. If you supported, then
fucking feel free. Feel free.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
They'll just pull over the debates, they'll just pull up
his debates where he.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Didn't say I'm interested.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
I think he'll say something like, weird, we're genetically we
are the we're all the same, black folks and white folks.
I'm just trying to make you guys do better. That's
just that's the ship he would say during his debates. Right,
So people bring those clips up like he wasn't a
bad guy, but then they like completely gloss over, they
just completely forget the other ship that he said the
next day, when he was on his podcast talking about
(50:52):
niggas is a dumb right called black women and like
or or how like in Gaza if you were like
he was talking, there was one clip of him talking
about like gay folks and that are like about like, hey,
stop the genocide and guys. He's like, well, if you
weren't guys that they would have thrown you off a
tall buildings. But I guess they're no more tall buildings, right,
(51:13):
So very funny, right, Okay, what this is the type
of shit he like? It was like, well, it looks
like he was joking. I'm like, that's not a funny joke.
It's not a joke. First of all, it's not funny
the second of all, like this is what you're defending. Okay, again,
politics the right way. It's just just because they won.
(51:38):
And I don't understand how him as a Jewish person,
not just as a white dude, but as a as
a Jewish dude, can sit there and listen to the
ship that he said and said, Hey, he still didn't
like he didn't hurt anybody, so like he was just debating.
It's almost like he didn't look at the fault.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
I'm telling you very strange, right, And I'm telling you
you're probably right. It's probably a lot of these people
either reflexively respond to it or they only watched part
of the debates. They never watch anything any clips of
him saying all the dirty shit on his podcast, which
is weird because if you go on social media and
just search Charlie Kirk, all of that ship will come up,
all of.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
It, right, Yeah, So it's like you don't even have
to debate the ship. He would just I would just
break this with a three minute fucking clip of him
just saying really foul shit, and I would just pull
that clip up and play it in my microphone, like
defend it. That's it. I wouldn't have a debated this
(52:38):
is it.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Before we get out of here, I'm gonna tell you
my favorite Charlie Kirk mean that's been going around. It's
the clip of him being like, you know, I don't
you know. Beyonce is one of the most popular uh singing,
uh you know musicians in the world. Her music, I
don't really like it. I don't think it's very good.
I don't even like to listen to it. And it
is just like a hard cut to her perform real love.
It's like a beautiful data be.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
It feels so good to be alive with all my
family by my side. Like, yo, that's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
It's funny, it is.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
That's what you get, dude, Like you can't be a
piece of shit in life, but like you can apparently
be a piece of shit in life. And then have
people that fucking Starbucks flip out when they don't call
they don't call your name, ask them to write it
on your cup. I'd be like, get the funk out,
how about that. I don't have to say the name.
(53:33):
I want to write it, but I don't have to
say it.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
I would just keep messing it up. I'd be like, sorry,
I'm not very good at reading. I went to Trump University.
Charlie Cook, Charlie Charlie Perk like I didn't right, I'm like,
I'm sorry, I can't lady, I can't read. I can't read.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Sorry, I'm dyslexic.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Like, oh yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
These white people they act together.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
I think, I really think that it is a It
is a very valid question, yet it is rhetorical. Are
white people okay? And I'll just leave it there.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
No, not, They're really not all right.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
That's it for this episode. We will be back for
episode two eighty eight Blink twice. That should be a
really fun episode. Again, if you've not watched that movie,
do yourself a favor. It is on Prime Video for
Prime members for free. And we will see you guys
next time.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
See you.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
But yeah, yeah, yeah,
I have no I kid and Mama here less about
the villain too?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Right now, gon find the last down.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Befall me change. Let's wrap the chase on it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hello and welcome to a brand new preview episode for
Black and Black Cinema. I'm your host, Jay, I'm here
with my co host Micah Hey and Terrence.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
All right, guys, we are back. Tierra will be back
next week for episode two eighty eight. Blink twice. Look,
we've been looking forward to doing this movie. We asked people,
did they think this was acceptable for us to do
as a black movie. Survey said yes overwhelmingly. This is
Zoe Kravitz's directorial debut. The logline here for the movie
(00:52):
is when tech billionaire Slater King meets cocktail waitress Frieda
in a fundraising gala, He invites her to join him
and his friends on a dream vacation on his private island.
As strange things start to happen, Freeda questions her reality.
Obviously this is Starian Channing Tatum. He's the biggest name
of this movie. Naomi Aki, Christian Slater. Randomly in this movie,
(01:19):
an Ali shotcat. So look, if you've not watched Blink twice,
do yourself a favor, and if you have watched it,
like all of us, watch it again. I'm actually exciting
because my wife has not seen this movie. This is
on Prime. If you're a Prime member, it is is
free to you. So check out Blink twice and we
will talk about it in depth next week. Topic this
(01:41):
week so sort of like some people wanted us to
do kind of a follow up as to all the
shit has happened post Charlie Kirk dying. That was our
last previous episode. Yeah, I'm sick of hearing about him too,
I agree, And it turns out some people had some
interesting things to say about it, and so this episode
(02:06):
is more about that. So it will not necessarily be
a fall of about Charlie Kirk, but more about sort
of the general conversation surrounding him and general stuff. So
very specifically New York Times writer podcaster Ezra Kline, he
had written a piece and he had talked about how
Charlie Kirk had practiced politics the right way, and that
(02:31):
pissed a lot of people off, like a whole lot
of people, because what the fuck are you talking about?
And one of the people that it pissed off. Was
is his friend who I think we all very much respect,
which is Tenahasee Coates. And Coates wrote an article basically
not just responding to Azracline statements, but responding to like
(02:54):
how this country is behaving around the whole Charlie kirk
Thing and Coates had basically the view that all of
us had, which is, yeah, the guy didn't deserve to
get shot, but like that guy was a piece of shit,
so why are we pretending he wasn't? And so he
went on Klein's show and they basically had I thought
a pretty good conversation in a good back and forth
(03:16):
where he called climb out on number a number of
times on his bullshit that The episode, by the way,
from the The Ezra Cline Show is called Tanahasee Coats
on bridging gaps versus drawing lines. I would say it
is a good idea to go listen to that. It's
about an hour. It's just nice to hear smart people talking,
by the way, that are nice even if you disagree
with them, just not two fucking idiots. So but all
(03:41):
in all, I'll go to you, like, what were your
thoughts on that conversation and we'll kind of run through
it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Go ahead, Terrence. I don't even think it was a
real conversation, honestly, I don't. I think Ezra Cline was
waiting for Tyna Haasty Coast to finish his sentences so
he could just kind of talk, right. I don't think
(04:10):
he was actually listening toast to what he was saying,
because I didn't hear him. First of all, he didn't
explain why he felt that Charlie Kirk was was doing
it the right. He didn't kind of he didn't defend it,
like he asked him, like, what what's I didn't understand
(04:30):
why you wrote it? And he never really explained to
him and he good, And I didn't get a good
explanation as to why he thought he'd outside of like
we lost and they won, so he must have been
doing something right. And when you look when you go
back to any of his like I know, we're not
supposed to talk about Charlie Kirk, but when you go
back to his when you go back to his debates,
(04:53):
he was a lot softer in his debates, which sounds crazy,
but it's true. Then he was on his on his
YouTube show. That's like all the crazy quotes and ship
that he's that people bringing up. He didn't say that
in the debates. So when people just look at the debates,
they're like, well, he was taking out of context that
he wasn't that he wasn't a racist, he wasn't a bigot, Like, yes,
(05:13):
he was, he just didn't say it during the debates.
He said it on the show, and you're like conveniently
leaving that shit out. And and also Tinysey Coote didn't
know who this guy was until he he did once
he found once he got shot, he did his research.
He's like, what's up with this guy? So he did
his research and he's and during this interview, he's like,
when I heard the things he was saying about people,
(05:34):
I'm like, he was like this, this dude's a hate monger,
which is what we said, and he was.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
He like, this dude is terrible. So how can you
say he was doing politics the right way outside of okay,
he riled up a base that went out and voted
for Trump, right, I mean, so he basically basically you
can just say whatever the fuck you want, no matter
how boring it is, and as long as you didn't
hurt anyone physically, it's the right way. That sounds like
(06:07):
a bunch of bullshit to me. And he didn't say that,
but that's kind of what I got from what he
how he felt like during this interview is like, I
don't get it, man, I don't get it. Bro like
we cool? What Like that's weird to me. I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I don't mean to put words in Klein's mouth, you know,
I don't. I don't read too much of us with client,
but I know.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Who he is.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Doing politics the right way is is playing the political game.
I think, right, politics is all a game, right, It's
about like the act of politicking is to like try
and convince people to your side. And I don't think
(06:56):
he was doing it the right way, but I think
he was doing it in a way that allowed him
to win. I mean, if that's the case, if Charlie
Kirk was doing politics the right way, then so is
Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And Donald Trump is the final boss if that's the case, right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Like he's like and and doing politics the right way,
Like it's it's not when I think of politics, right,
I think of politicians and I think of what they're
supposed to be doing they're supposed to, you know, represent
(07:39):
their constituents, and you know, try to convince people, try
try to use using the the art of rhetoric to
convince people, hey, this is this is why we need
to do this.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But Charlie Kirk didn't do that from what I could see, Right,
I don't. I didn't watch Turning Point USA. I didn't
even watch his debates. I don't know much about the guy.
So you know, maybe I'm just talking out of my ass,
but I know what I heard, And what I heard
was some repugnant ship to steal your line. And it's
(08:20):
not it's it's this mentality of it's this mentality that
that we all have now with politics. Nobody gives a
ship about people. They want to win. That's all it is.
And and it's and it's it's it's and and Es
(08:43):
reclined in that interview, is he is the He is
the pitch perfect example of what of what the left
wishes they could be. Right like the the the left
(09:03):
and the right aren't that different in terms of their
their will to like win and want to like at
all costs at this point, Right, And I think Ezra
Kleine is he's he's really someone. Someone in their comments
section made made the point that it's it's ideals versus
(09:26):
lived experience, and for.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Me like that, I would make that exact point.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Ye yeah, like like one example of what MLK said,
the white liberal is fucking y years ago. Yeah, like
that's what he is.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, like both guys. And that's why
I've listened to I don't know, maybe three different episodes
where he's had Coats on for varying things like on
this one where Coach wrote the book after he went
to Gaza and another one, And I always enjoyed listening
(10:03):
to both of them because of that exact difference between
the two of them, because I do look, I know,
like I don't think that Klein quote unquote got this
one right at all. I don't. I think he sometimes
like he didn't, like, dude, what are you talking about? Right?
But for me, I like listening to the two of
them because of that sort of Klein has that ability
(10:26):
to be what what I what I often think of
as like academic navel gazing, where like he knows a lot, right,
he academically knows yo history of racism, you know, world
history and things like that, and you know, American history,
and he understands it academically. He can open a book,
(10:46):
he can tell you what fucking page is the site
and all this other shit. Coats can do the thing
because no, no, no, no, no, no, no, well, hold
on second. But I do think he does understand it.
But I think he's under standing a shallow right. It's
you can you know, it's the idea. And this is
where Coats is different. Coats understands it from the academic level,
(11:08):
but he also grew grew up as a black man
in America, so you understand it from a street level perspective. Right.
That's where Coats's power is is you can listen to
this guy. It's not just because he sounds like every
nigguy I grew up, but like he just does. I
love listening to him talk. I do because I'm like,
whatever you're gonna say, wan, it'll be interesting because you're
incredibly smart to you just sound like dudes I grew
(11:29):
up with like this from around the corner from me.
I just I think it's funny. But Coates understands it
in a very human on the street you know, for
lack of a better phrase on that level where Ezra
Client only seems to understand it from like I read
this in a book right now, he's like a Jewish guy,
So maybe he's experienced some some you know, specific shit
(11:50):
in America. I'm not I'm not, you know, saying that
he has it, but it does not appear that he has,
and not every Jewish person has it. They're like, you know,
living my life. I went to school. Now I'm here, right,
But coach has clearly dealt with other shit, very you know,
very much close to the ground type of stuff. And
so listening to that debate and turns to you and
(12:13):
I came to the exact same conclusion. If there is
ever going to be any sort of like political revolution,
I don't mean, you know, with guns and shit, but
I mean, like political progress, it cannot be led by
white people. It just simply cannot. Even well meaning white people,
it can't because their blinders are so fucking large. Like
(12:36):
listen to like, I don't think, I mean, Klein is
not even like I'm not, you know, I'm in the middle.
He doesn't say he was like I'm liberal, like.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
He's he's a liberal. He is a he is I
mean liberal, well.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
He makes no, he's not trying to like play both
sides or anything like that, but his blinders are so
fucking high. I mean that moment in the podcast where
he's like, you know, he says, well, Coach is like listen,
sometimes we lose and like it is what it is,
and he goes why that just feels like very fatal.
(13:10):
It's like he's based in history, like you want me
to do, Like it's not that Coach, Like he's not
even like an Afro pessimist, right, Like Coach is not
not an Afro pessimist terrences, but like, yeah, got me right,
(13:30):
But I don't think Coach is a is an Afro pessimist.
But every black person, like you can't help but to go.
I mean, look at history. I'm speaking for a larger
group of people here, but like we're you know, we're
not exactly we're like pissed off, but we're not exactly
(13:53):
surprised that this ship is happening. White people are surprised.
That's why you're getting all this like, oh my black
people surprise. I mean, how many times in that interview
did he go welcome to being black in America? He
said it like six times, like everything that you're experiencing,
political violence and everything else, all of those things we
have experienced just trying to exist to his point, like
(14:15):
they killed Martin Luther King Jr. For preaching love, not
for preaching like the vision. He just love everybody. Like
that's how insane that is, right? So it but I did.
I did enjoy the conversation because it does make something
very clear to me. It's like y'all could be in
the coalition at some point, but y'all cannot be out
(14:39):
front on this ship because you're just not capable. You
don't see America for what it truly is. You don't.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You don't see it.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
And I just just a quick point and I'll kick
it back to the both of you. Michael. You said
that politics is a game, right, and I agree with you.
It is. There This guy I follow his name. He
goes by Doss discourse on social media'. His name is
Joshua Doss, black dude from Chicago. He's a political polster.
He's really good. He's been on like CNN and stuff too.
(15:08):
That guy says something and I think is like the
best description of politics, which is politics is a game
of focus. How can I get you to focus on
this Yeah he's got the rods and ship. Yeah, Like
it's how do I get you to focus on this
other thing while I'm doing this other thing? And I like,
that's exactly right. Like the Charlie Kirk thing is a
prime example of that. Focus on Charlie Kirk. Focus on
(15:30):
Charlie Kirk. I got all this dirty ship we're trying
to do right, smashdown free speech and all that sort of stuff,
Like it is a game of focus. That's exactly to me.
It's an exact, perfect, uh description of it. So yeah,
I was just but no, I don't. I don't. And
it's not that I don't trust white people. I don't,
but I don't trust white people to lead any sort
(15:50):
of like we're moving forward, we gotta tear the system
down and build a new one. Not you, not you?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
What is that new one going to be? Because during
this interview, he when he he asks him, I think
when it when uh, he says, when Obama won, they
were like I don't know how many senators that were
like centrists or but I think they were.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Public what blue dog democrats blue.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Dog democrats in certain states, And I'm like, He's like,
well that was then there are none now And I'm like, well,
if you want the party to move more left, they
can't be in the party, like we're a big Like
clearly this this, this, uh, this disagreement they had like
proves that it was the left.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
It was of themixty five this proves like this, this,
this conversation with them proves that the left is a
large tent.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
You can have very different opinions on certain things as
opposed to like conservatives, which is one of the reasons
why it's very difficult for ust of all, because our
tent almost seems too large. But we wanted to be
as big as possible. But we need you motherfuckers to
act right. We need you. Like again, all of this
could have been could have None of this would have
(17:10):
happened if like more people didn't vote. We had a
very simple task and all they all we asked of
you is to vote. Maybe okay, fine, you didn't like
Kamala Harris, but like, our tent is big enough for
all of you. If all of you guys went out
and voted and not pitched a fit, yep, we wouldn't
be in the situation where in now and that's where
I think line like, yeah, they focused on the wrong
(17:34):
shit and we just they beat us in that at
that game. And I think that's the only thing that
Klein was that cares about, like why did we lose?
Why did we lose? And and coach is like this
is nothing new, like he was. It almost seems like
a clin was willing to throw Like again, I think
(17:55):
Obama was against gay marriage. I don't think he was
against it, but like he couldn't say he was for
it if you want to say it, right, yeah, he didn't,
like I don't think he don't think to give a fuck.
But then he had Biden was the one with the
Biden the white guy.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Right, but he literally was on on record being pro
gay marriage before he ran for president, like.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And then he had to be like yeah, And I
think I feel like Klein would do the same with
Kamala Harris as far as like trans writes, he would
kind of like, you know, maybe not talk about that ship,
which she didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
During her she did not.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And a lot of people said, like she threw trans
people under the bus, and like, no, she didn't. She
didn't talk about it because it wasn't that important to her.
But I think Klein would be like, if you were
talking about it, shut the fuck up. We just need
to win. And Coach is like, no, we can't do
that because that's inhumane. That's the difference between those two,
(18:50):
Like like he I'll do whatever it takes to win,
even if we have to get some centris, even if
you have gets some people on the right, Like how
do we lose these people on the right. They're fucking crazy,
that's why we love them. They're racist, So like trying
to talk to them to bring them back. I think
Coats would also say, like I wouldn't be opposed to
talking to them, but like, you know, good luck trying
(19:11):
to get them on your side.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You didn't, And I don't think I don't think they
really lost people on the right, Like the people on
the right aren't budgeting what you did. Was you lost?
You lost the normal people who like don't really care
either way. Yeah, But and but like there's a thing
(19:38):
with like most people just want to be left alone.
And I think I don't know, we're look, we're in
a we're in a weird time because hate is something
very easy and it's an easy emotion to elicit in people,
(20:00):
and it's an easy emotion to act upon. It doesn't
take any thought, it doesn't take you know it, it's
id right, whereas love and building takes planning and time
and patience and forethought, measuring twice before you cut.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Right, effort, effort, right fight.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Anybody can just break ships.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Super fun and easy. It's it's easy.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And fun, right, and a.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Little bit to do. You literally paid to break ship. Yeah,
press that, but we don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I forgot where I was going. But like, we just
live in this time where it's so easy to to
channel hate and I understand that, like I understand the
desire to win, and and especially on this side where
we are where we are on, I really do understand
the desire to win. But you can't lose your humanity
(21:05):
in the pursuit of that, because you will just end
up You'll you'll end up not you won't end up
like them, Right you could, you could, right, you could.
I'm thinking of I'm thinking of a couple of a
couple of former conservative turned leftist turning back to conservative.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Who you're talking.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yes, I don't know what they got going on.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But that's but that's what happened winning at.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
All Right, that's and that's it. That's what happens when
you just when you when you're only focused on winning
at all costs, like you, you lose your humanity to
that ship.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Look, and it's just it's just it's not a don't
want to be that. I don't want to be that, right,
I mean, look, look, I am a I am a
very very liberal person. Annoyingly liberal, some would say, yeah,
I mean even me, Okay, even me, I've seen worse
(22:17):
I have, and those people, I'm like, Jesus, what is
your like?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Y'all need to calm down.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
A bunch of professional overthinkers.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Chill out. There shouldn't be no one should have to
pay rent, all right, relax, calm down, shut out. So
so I say all that to say, like, I'm extremely
liberal person. However that idea like being liberal is exhausting.
(22:49):
And I don't just mean to the people that were
constantly preaching to right, like the Mark marriage joke, like,
you know, we just annoyed people into fascism. Right, you
guys are aware of that. He's not exact live wrong,
But when you are on that side of trying to
be respectful of people's humanity and you are trying to
to to Mike's point, trying to build things and not
(23:11):
trying to just destroy things. It is a constant fight.
It is a constant fight, like this idea of like,
oh we gotta vote again every four years. Yeah, niggad.
This is a perpetual battle, like this is a war
going on. You have to keep fighting. And the problem
is when you're just in the business of breaking shit,
(23:35):
you're not that exhausted all the time. You just show up,
Oh did you just build this? Cool? Smash it. I'll
see you in four Like, they don't have to work
that hard. But when you're constantly building, constantly putting pieces
in place to try to protect what you've built and
try to make sure people are okay and respect the
new things that come up. Oh shit, we didn't really
know about you know, we didn't really think about trans
(23:55):
people for the last thirty years. That's a new battle,
all right, come on into the coalition, all right. I
got to try to understand it, all right, Cool, Maybe
I got some weird shit I got to personally deal
with because I'm trying to grow as a human being,
because that's my whole thing is about becoming a better
person over time and growing.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And shit like that.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I got to bring you in now, I gotta protect
you that. I got to explain it out to fucking
troglodites why you matter as a human being. That shit
is exhausting, But you have to do that in just
winning to win and not doing those things. Yeah you
could win, but at what cost? Right? The prime example
of that is Coats had the ability to understand something.
(24:35):
And I talked about this on Look Forward all the time.
There is reality and there's political reality, and for some reason,
people think that those two things are exactly the fucking same.
They are not. They're not at all. Politics does not
work in the same way that our reality, normal reality works.
And he was like, look, did FDR want to make
sure that black people couldn't use these you know, social
(24:56):
security when they created it. He was like, I don't
think that's true, but he had to as a compromise
to get it passed. And he goes, if I was
alive back then, it would while I would have understood
it politically, it still would have been up to me
to yell and be like, don't fucking do that, don't
fucking do that. Don't exclude back black people. He was like, look,
when I wrote my article about reparations, do I think
(25:17):
it's politically smart for Barack Obama to go out there
and be like, oh, for reparations and this was shit?
He was like, fucking no, that's crazy. You'll lose. So
you do have to play politics to some degree, but
you have to understand what your position in the shit is. Right.
Obama couldn't go out there running in two thousand and
eight and be like, I'm you know, I'm all for
gays getting married. He would have lost. He would have lost,
(25:39):
like period, he would have lost. But he was able
to get in there and get Supreme Court justices in
there who got it done. And like you pointed out earlier,
they used Biden as a trial balloon and was like,
all right, tell these niggas be cool gay marriage. And
I was like, that was cool gay marriage. And people
were like yeah, he was like cool, good, all right,
let's go. That's what they did. That was playing politics.
But Klein was like, yes, those things were, but we
(26:00):
should do that all the time about everything. It's like,
but you can't, because you can't just sell gay folks
down the road. You can't just sell black people down
the road, because where does it stop if you want.
If white politicians want ultimate power, they could toss black people,
They could toss Latin folks, they could toss a gay folk.
Just toss everybody in the wayside. Hey, I got power,
And then everyone's like, cool, fuck you, because I don't
(26:23):
understand that you're playing politics. All I saw is that
you threw my community to the fucking waistside. And it's
easy for white men to say that shit because they
never get tossed to the waistside. Henceforth, why you cannot
lead true progress in the country. You're completely incapable of it.
You are, And I know there's a white guy listening, like,
but what about me? Chet I understand your position, but
(26:44):
you got to get it back to You can be
in the coalition, but you cannot lead like pat.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And I would make the argument that had it, had
the economy not been absolute garbage, I don't think Obama
would have won anyway.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I think that probably don't.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I don't think Biden would have won if COVID hadn't happened.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I think that's probably true.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So we don't really live in we say, like I
think there are more progressives in this country than that
people think there are. But I don't think we live
in a progressive country honestly, No, or the progressives in
this country are just so lase fair. They just you know,
just shit happens, but like it has to be catastrophic
(27:29):
and then we're like, well, let's try this Democrat that
always seems to fix shit, and then once things are fine,
let's put this Republican back in and fuck everything up.
I don't I don't understand that logic. I still to
this day, I just I don't get it. I've been
voting since for twenty five years. I don't understand. I
(27:50):
don't understand why they keep doing this shit. They literally
destroy everything, and this is the worst I've ever seen
in this country, at least in my lifetime. Yep, So
gonna happen in the next three and a half years,
because right now it's really fucking bad. Who knows what's
gonna happen in the next two years, Like they're doing everything.
They're at like warp speed. Now, who knows it's gonna
(28:12):
like maybe things will die down in the next two
or three years, but the damage has already been done.
And people are just gonna be used to it when
the midterms come, That's what I'm saying. Like, so, when
the midterms come, we might win, but it's only it's
only right and with the whole jerrymandering ship that they're
(28:32):
trying to do in all these states, who the fuck knows,
but they we might win in the midterms. But like,
are people gonna vote in the midterms, I mean both
are they gonna keep paying attention?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I mean, but that's the point, Like you're flooding the
zone with ship. You are to Steve Bannon's you know,
very famous line, right, but he was right, you just
keep flooding people with so much stuff they just turn off, right.
It's a denial you know, denial service attack. Fucking keep
beating the machine to it goes all right, all right,
I fucking turn off right like it just but that's
(29:08):
human beings are are susceptible to it as well. Like
that's clear. And I mean I guess for me, I
don't know what the next president looks like if it
is a Democrat, I do know that their entire eight
years is going to be about trying to fucking patch
up the giant hole that is a chip that is
(29:30):
causing it to sink. That's their entire job. And so
this idea of like we need like I do need
like liberal minded folks and Democrats to understand that their
job is to fix the ship that is sinking, not
necessarily to right the ship. So we're like heading into
progressive land. That's not the job of the next eight
years the next The job of the next eight years
(29:51):
is just to put a fucking patch on the ship.
That's it. And that's a huge fucking hole they have
to deal with. So I don't want to hear anything
about like I want these things. Motherfucker. We are starving
and no one's buying our soybeans. We are in a
world of fucking trouble, right because you know, three years
of that ship, China is like, oh, did you guys
(30:12):
take away the tariffs? We don't care. We were already
buying them from Argentina and that's our new fucking shipping lanes,
and we just don't come to you anymore. That's that
ship is just gone. What do you do?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
He just did they destroy the fucking They destroy the
soybean market. He destroyed it in six months. But they
voted for it.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
That's all crazy, Like this is this is what this.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Is what pisses me off about this, This about this
interview that he had, Like you want to win, and
I get it. And these people constantly vote against their
own interests. They just do. I don't understand why you
think we lost these people when we never had them
to begin with.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I think that's a very good point.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
We never like what do you like Michael said, like
they they weren't there, like they cost vote, but they're
in red states they vote Republican and like this is
like the ultimate, Hey, we don't really give a fuck
about any of you people. And the mask is off
at this point, Like Donald Trump doesn't give auck about
anybody but himself, but he has a bunch of ghouls
in office with him. Like Stephen Miller is like worse
(31:19):
than Donald Trump. Donald Trump is an old man. He's
he's like he's he's got the slight dementia. Is uh, well,
he's complete. Steve Stephen Miller is like forty, he's young,
he's a lunatic, he's a bit of a Nazi. He's
got a lot of years ahead of him if he
(31:40):
stays in politics. And that's a bad, bad thing that
we can't. We can't he needs like he can't be
anywhere near the levels of power. He just can't.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
He's pretty close right now.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
He's right there, but he like you have to realize
some of the people that he had. Like it's weird
because I was thinking about this today. I feel like
the Republicans skw more young Like the Republican Party, I
feel I feel like they were sku younger than the Democrats.
I mean, we have like the squad, we have Jasmin
Crockett and all of them, but like the rest of them, mothers,
(32:17):
they're fucking old.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
There's a lot of that's they're very old.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And that was the and that was the genius, not genius,
that was the cunning that Charlie Kirk had.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Ye he was.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
He would go to these camps. Started at eighteen, he started. Yeah,
he would like and debate kids.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
And he would write he would debate kids, right, And
those debates they weren't really debates, right, Like if they
didn't devolve into screaming matches, they would they're they're they
would consist of nothing but logical fallacies. Uh and and
but he would get people younger than him because young
(32:59):
people don't know ship. It's not their resaults, but they
don't know ship. So you got this guy and look,
I say it about Jay all the time. If you
say something, if you say something with a bunch of confidence,
it don't matter what the fuck comes out of your mouth.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yea, and that.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But that's why they skill young that and that, and
and then it leads into like all these podcasters who
you know don't know ship, and then they'll tell you
they don't know anything. But they don't make good faith.
They're not good faith, Like they're not trying to get
people that like they want to They want to just
(33:40):
hang bro, they want to sit They want to sit
around and hang and listen to people talk about dumb ship.
And that's that's like, I don't know, man, it's just
real frustrating. I've never been like this frustrated in my life.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
To live through the eighties, yo, And I'm like kids
in the eighties, but like so we were like if
we were if we were in other twenties in the eighties,
I feel like we would feel a little bit. We'd
be like God, damn.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, yeah, I need.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I need this ship to hurry up. And I need
to hurry up and weather this storm so that we
can get back to some fucking normalcy.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Because none of this shit is normal. We cannot we
cannot become complacent and be like this is just the
norm now. People just getting fucking.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Look going around telling general I don't want to see
fat generals, bitch do a pull up?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I looked at that video, and apparently in that video
it was like the whole you know, like the Fitness Challenge,
it was supposed to do one hundred push ups and
fifty pull ups in less than ten minutes, And I'm like,
but they didn't show him. They didn't show him or
rfkjun you do the full thing. So like ten minutes,
don't believe any of you niggas did any of that.
(35:04):
One should? That should in three minutes twenty nine seconds.
She was she was crushing, all.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Right, Well, good for her, but who else.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Is she was in? She was in the military though,
so you know, all right?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Also fifty pull ups so kipping pull ups then not
really pull ups.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Hell no, I can do one hundred push ups fifty
pull ups real pu up.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I can do one hundred dead hand. Get the fuck
out of here. No, I want to see your back
because your back must be fucking huge. Get the fuck
out of here.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
No, I can't do fifty. I can do like ten
at a time, but like, yeah, hell no.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Your back, your back must look like a topography map.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yo, cain't under three in under ten minutes, I will
be deeply impressed. No, shut the fuck up. And I
know I'm too clown ass niggas can't do it. That
punk fish couldn't do a chin up shit, but he
had his knees in that little jaw, this whole body.
(36:00):
Get the fuck out. I hate that.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
But in that video, because I watched the video on
it's only like a three minute video, and they kind
of like a bunch of quick cuts. They said that
he did it in five twenty five and RFK did
it in like five thirty something. I'm like, I don't
believe you. That's a lie. He's way better, is a
fucking he's on all the fucking steroids show. Don't really
(36:24):
he's fucking seventy like that.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Okay, buddy, No, this is all natural. I just take
iver macton. That's why I look like that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
They call this a secretary of war clown. This is
what this is what we're this is what we're dealing with.
They changed it to the Department of War, but not
the President of the President of Peace is supposed to
huh an official.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Right, Like that's a that's an act of common and
they didn't do that. So they were just like this
is nickname it like they're lazy. They're just like politically
also very lazy, which is a great sign for people
to look up too. I mean, look, at the end
of the day, I think the sort of the largest
takeaway here is two things. One, why people should not
(37:09):
lead any level of like real progress in this country.
Absolutely not get the fuck out of here, sorry to say,
not really sorry. The other aspect of that is you
have to understand where you should understand that like people
have other perspectives in you, and that your blind spots
(37:32):
are very can be very serious in fights like this, right,
Like if if we listen to klient and be like, oh,
let's not maybe we don't talk about the gay thing
and stuff like that, like whatever you think of like
Pete boodhaj Edge, Like why should that guy get tossed
to the side because because he's a gay man, that
we should just like not consider him as a politician.
(37:53):
That's ridiculous, right, you know, communicators. Yeah, like so he
should just be told white you know, look, he could
be in the coalition. You cannot lead like you get
like you can't you know, like, look, you be president.
Presidents do not lead big progressive rebellions. Like that's not
(38:13):
necessarily the truth. So like so you have to understand
what your blind spots are. And look, I will give
Klein this is that at least he surrounds himself with
people who maybe can call him out on it. But
I do agree with you, Terrence, that it did feel
more like he was just wanting to say his piece
and not necessarily listening all the time to what Coach
(38:35):
was saying. But look, I mean, I think Coach did
a great job of being like listen, putting this shit
in a historical presence, you know, you know, sort of
historical view. None of this ship like it's different, but
like fundamentally it isn't. Which is like political violence, you know,
conservatives of whatever party doing dirty shit to each other,
(39:00):
trying to win it all costs and don't care how
much you destroy the country and stuff like that. Yeah,
and you know, like on look Forward, I Brad, and
I don't know if we said it online or offline.
I said, listen, you want to know if like the
country will like swing to Democrats or what have you,
or like swing left and try to, like, you know,
save itself. It depends on how bad white people get hurt.
(39:22):
That's it. It is how bad do white people suffer
in the next four years. If white people suffer a lot,
then you got yourself a chance. If white people are like,
you know what we're doing, all right, we're fucked, we
are fucked, they'll be like, you know what jd Vance
given mate, because they're not learning or out. Those farmers
got to lose everything. I hate to say it, they
(39:43):
got to lose everything. Don't bail them out. They got
to lose everything because they will not learn. They will
not learn, And so they start to see their buddies
start losing all their farms and shit, and they they're
eating they're eating soybeans breakfast, lunch and dinner, and shit.
They will not learn. They won't because every time they
fuck up and they and they put a Republican in
(40:04):
the office who fucks them up. Every single time they
get a big fat bail out, and I think Trump
played them. Gave him a big fat bail at the
first time, and he was like, yeah, yeah, yea, I'm
gonnave you another bail out. Don't worry about it this time.
He's like, huh, new phone ain't helping them because then
all this shit's gonna get brought up by big corporate
farms that hit all his buddies know, so he doesn't
give a show.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Got in a slight argument online about why the government
was shut down and someone it was on it was
on Instagram because those people are dumb. He was like, hey,
maybe we should only worry about paying medical medical bills
for people for Americans only. I'm like, you don't know
why the the government shut He was like, because they
wanted to pay for they wanted to pay for illegal
immigrants medical bills. I'm like, that's not true. That's what
(40:49):
they told you, but that's not the case. Like I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna argue with you. Just know
that you're fucking dumb. And he's like, it is, look
it up and I'm like, I'm not gonna look it
up because I even know the truth. Like if I
look it up and post an article, You're gonna look
even dumber. So I'm like, Okay, here's the thing. Anybody
else is paying attention to this particular thread in this
fucking on this on this video, y'all do the research
(41:11):
and you post it because I'm not doing it. Like
I'm not doing it. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
I'm not gonna get They don't the government services like
that like they did again, Like I'm like, that's what
I said, is like they've been paying them.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I'm like, no, they don't. They don't. They pay taxes,
They pay twelve billion dollars a year into that shit
and don't get any benefits from it.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Not a single one. And y'all can blame it. Need
to go. I'd be like, bring more of them. This is.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's free money man that they don't get. But like
again I said, I said, I know you're not gonna
because I went to the page and it's like conservatives
conservative as fuck or something with a middle finger up
that's what was under his little profile. I'm like, well,
you're an idiot, you're old. I looked at the profile.
I'm like, I'm not like, I'm not going to argue
with you because I know you're not going to actually
(42:02):
look up the fucking real facts on as to why
this is. But like legal lemigans don't get any kind
of financial benefit from the government when it comes to healthcare.
But I know you're not gonna look it up. So
we're done and he's like look it up and I'm
like again, like I said, I knew you weren't going
to look it up because you're a fucking maron. Like
(42:23):
that was it.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I can't just sidebar sidebar. I don't care what political
alignment you are. If your politics are your personality, if
you have that, you need to go outside, like get
a friend, get a hobby, like I I've never seen
(42:44):
so many I've never seen and look, it's normally on
one side. I mean, let's be honest, like they're walking
around with little red hats clashing with the outfit and shit, what.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
They want you to know? Yeah, they want like just
to be notice me, notice.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Me, pay attention to me, right, like get a hobby, yo,
Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Anyway, So it's like you're pathetic, Like you're pathetic.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
I mean, it's kind of sad, it's kind.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
So when again, when I read that article, like he
was what was that?
Speaker 3 (43:25):
No, I was gonna say. I saw I saw today
someone to photoshopped the Maga had and it said this
hat makes vaginas dry. I was like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
That's about right. But so when I saw that article,
I didn't even read. I didn't read the Azrakliner. I
read the Coast article. I read all the ship. I
read his book to the latest book was really good
about him in Israel. I'm like, what how did he do?
What are you talking about? Like I thought you and
(43:55):
it was Ezra Klin. I'm like, you're better than this, dude, what.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Are you talking?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
You are?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
You are? You're better than.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
This is because he's white and you feel like now
you might be a target, so you got to kind
of like get white washed to shit. I don't I
don't get it, Like what is that all about?
Speaker 3 (44:09):
I think?
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I think I think it was the way he died, right,
I think it was the way he died and much
less how he lived. Like because like when people are
murdered like that, when white people are murdered like that,
like white people have a tendency to I guess when
(44:33):
anyone dies in a horrific way, people think about their
own mortality, Like I truly believe that it's I truly
believe that it's it's it's comes from a place of
like selfishness, right, Like you're thinking about yourself and then
you don't want people.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
To I don't even want to say selfish, but self preservation.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Self preservation, Yeah, that's more. That's a more accurate term.
And I think people they're like, well, man, I hope
nobody talks about me like that. Maybe I shouldn't be
talking about this guy like that, and like that's the estiment.
So I I get the I get I understand the logic.
(45:12):
But you know, he saying nothing is an option, right, Like.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
That's what he was, Like, what silence not an option?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
It's a lex version of like shutting up. It's like
shut up.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Just shut the fun up, nigga.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
But then but then I saw but then I saw
I did.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
He was like, what did he say? I didn't like, well,
I kind of kept it, you know, I kept it
among friends. I didn't really say anything out like a nigga.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, like we literally we literally have moments of silence
in order to you know, pay respects to people.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Like but and then I.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Saw people someone made their comment, you know, like what
silence is not an option? That was a bar right,
And then under those comments, people and then under those comments,
under that comment people were like, silence is violence and
and silence is complicit and.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I don't read the comments.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Silence is complicit and what do you have to But
aren't you mad at people for commenting on the show?
Shut the fuck up? See see there are people worse
than me. They're definitely people worse liked. I don't. I
don't like your logical behavior, like it really.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
It's like, yeah, silence is an option because like if
I say, well, that dude was kind of a piece
of ship in life, then I'm the problem. If I
say he's a throatcoat now, then I'm the problem. Right,
So I'm gonna ask I don't funk that dude. I'm sorry,
Like I can't. I can't feel sorry.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
For because I'm laughing, not because I'm upset for what
you said. I don't give a fuck I have said
on More Told podcast. I find it. I find that term.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I find that term very disrespectful, uh to the actual
performers who are throat goats. Yes, uh in in in
the industry, right.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Your Tiana Trump's your your your body.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Don't don't don't belittle those fine performers by comparing them
to this guy.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Excuse me? So they had.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
So yeah, like if I say that out of out
of all the repugnishan he said on his podcast, and
like people say, hell, well, he took it out of context,
Like there's no there's no context that you can put.
Black women don't have the brain, the processing power to
which that context was taken. You can't make that. You
(47:50):
can't white watch that.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
He was just talking about certain certain people, only black women.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Like what the some of the smartest black women in
the country, right he was talking about So if if
they if he's talking about the smartest Black women in
the country, what about the rest of them?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Right?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
What does he think of the rest of the smart
the black women? You see what I'm saying? Like, right,
well you do? What is what? Was he saying that
all of them are dumb? They're too stupid? That's what
he's saying. He's saying niggas are dumb. That's basically what
he was saying in that fucking So am I supposed
to give a fuck about that guy? I don't I
(48:25):
don't know. And I see niggas, I see black folks
like coming to his defense too. He took all that
shit out of context, Like yo, you can't man. So again,
going back to client, I'm like, you can't that that
was a terrible Maybe in the in the piece, he
wrote something that wasn't like maybe he just wrote the
title to be like clickbait. Maybe I should read the piece,
(48:48):
but I don't think I should. I don't think I
feel like doing it.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
But I'm just going off of the things he said
in this interview. But yeah, I mean he said that
he got called on that or whatever. But like I'm
just I am just addressing stuff in the interview and
like yea, But my thing is, I don't know why
I have to pretend to be nice to a person
who couldn't give a fuck about people who look like me.
(49:12):
I don't. I don't get that. And if you're a
black person, like defending Charlie Kirk, I'm not talking about
defending that he shouldn't have been shot, that nobody is
arguing that he should have been shot, but defending like
his stuff was taken out of context. I will put
up the same thing that I have put up many times.
Please send us a message on this YouTube channel. I'll
be happy to have a conversation with you and debate
(49:34):
you about it, because I would make the argument that
either you're a fucking lunatic racist yourself and you hate
your own people and yourself perhaps, or you never listen
to a thing Charlie Kirk actually said, and you're defending
it as a fucking reflex And I think that's what
a lot of white people did. I'm Charlie Kirk. I
got white kids saying I'm Charlie Kirk. Really, so why
don't you Why don't you get your white kids to
(49:56):
go on the internet since you've used them as it's
like political weapon, and have them repeat the words of
Charlie Kirk. Why don't you do that and let that
shit follow them for the rest of their fucking lives.
But you won't, just like the people who got fired
from their jobs for posting what he said on their
fucking social media. That's how bad the ship he was
saying that you know, trans people should be stoned to death,
(50:20):
that's the ship your fucking support. If you supported, then
fucking feel free. Feel free.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
They'll just pull over the debates, they'll just pull up
his debates where he.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Didn't say I'm interested.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
I think he'll say something like, weird, we're genetically we
are the we're all the same, black folks and white folks.
I'm just trying to make you guys do better. That's
just that's the ship he would say during his debates. Right,
So people bring those clips up like he wasn't a
bad guy, but then they like completely gloss over, they
just completely forget the other ship that he said the
next day, when he was on his podcast talking about
(50:52):
niggas is a dumb right called black women and like
or or how like in Gaza if you were like
he was talking, there was one clip of him talking
about like gay folks and that are like about like, hey,
stop the genocide and guys. He's like, well, if you
weren't guys that they would have thrown you off a
tall buildings. But I guess they're no more tall buildings, right,
(51:13):
So very funny, right, Okay, what this is the type
of shit he like? It was like, well, it looks
like he was joking. I'm like, that's not a funny joke.
It's not a joke. First of all, it's not funny
the second of all, like this is what you're defending. Okay, again,
politics the right way. It's just just because they won.
(51:38):
And I don't understand how him as a Jewish person,
not just as a white dude, but as a as
a Jewish dude, can sit there and listen to the
ship that he said and said, Hey, he still didn't
like he didn't hurt anybody, so like he was just debating.
It's almost like he didn't look at the fault.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
I'm telling you very strange, right, And I'm telling you
you're probably right. It's probably a lot of these people
either reflexively respond to it or they only watched part
of the debates. They never watch anything any clips of
him saying all the dirty shit on his podcast, which
is weird because if you go on social media and
just search Charlie Kirk, all of that ship will come up,
all of.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
It, right, Yeah, So it's like you don't even have
to debate the ship. He would just I would just
break this with a three minute fucking clip of him
just saying really foul shit, and I would just pull
that clip up and play it in my microphone, like
defend it. That's it. I wouldn't have a debated this
(52:38):
is it.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Before we get out of here, I'm gonna tell you
my favorite Charlie Kirk mean that's been going around. It's
the clip of him being like, you know, I don't
you know. Beyonce is one of the most popular uh singing,
uh you know musicians in the world. Her music, I
don't really like it. I don't think it's very good.
I don't even like to listen to it. And it
is just like a hard cut to her perform real love.
It's like a beautiful data be.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
It feels so good to be alive with all my
family by my side. Like, yo, that's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
It's funny, it is.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
That's what you get, dude, Like you can't be a
piece of shit in life, but like you can apparently
be a piece of shit in life. And then have
people that fucking Starbucks flip out when they don't call
they don't call your name, ask them to write it
on your cup. I'd be like, get the funk out,
how about that. I don't have to say the name.
(53:33):
I want to write it, but I don't have to
say it.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
I would just keep messing it up. I'd be like, sorry,
I'm not very good at reading. I went to Trump University.
Charlie Cook, Charlie Charlie Perk like I didn't right, I'm like,
I'm sorry, I can't lady, I can't read. I can't read.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Sorry, I'm dyslexic.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Like, oh yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
These white people they act together.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
I think, I really think that it is a It
is a very valid question, yet it is rhetorical. Are
white people okay? And I'll just leave it there.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
No, not, They're really not all right.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
That's it for this episode. We will be back for
episode two eighty eight Blink twice. That should be a
really fun episode. Again, if you've not watched that movie,
do yourself a favor. It is on Prime Video for
Prime members for free. And we will see you guys
next time.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
See you.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
But yeah, yeah, yeah,
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