April 10, 2025 • 51 mins
In this weeks episode we are talking about Kimberly Cargill and the trail of misery she left in her path until it finally ended in murder.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hey, everyone, welcome, bless this mess in the True Crime Podcast.
I don't care. Here's Stu say hay Stu, Right, all right,
we're back this week and we are going to be
covering an episode from Who the Bleep Did I Marry?
The Babysitter Killers? Do What?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Say What? Episode? I don't know you didn't write that down? No, wow,
that's terrible.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Okay. Anyways, it's what that's the name. They can look
at it if they want to watch it. Anyways, we
were watching some true crime stuff over the weekend and
this one came up and it was pretty interesting, kind
of crazy story, a little ridiculous, yes, a little ridiculous.
Well that's what you're going to get on who the
Bleep Did I marry?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Or anything that Susan Luci host, you know, she's like
Affairs that Kill or something like that. And then the
one last time that Stu thought I was making up
Wives with Knives, I showed it like, see this is
it Wives with Knives. I hope to be featured on
that show one day.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Maybe I'll do what I can.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Anyway, so we're back this week, so we're gonna so
we're gonna putting an episode this week.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I know we were doing every other week. We're putting
out an episode this week and then we're gonna try
to put one out the next week. But we have
some logistical challenges with recording, so it might be delayed
next week or we might skip next week. But that's
just what it is. It is what it is. It
(01:44):
is what it is. That's what they say, is to.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Do, that's what they do. Say all right, you just
put this one in the can and save it till
next week.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You can't tell you can't, you can't say the other things,
and then just say that and then I'll put the
episode out.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Are like, oh, I guess I did what she did
with suggested.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yes, maybe you guys will see. So if you're.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Listening to this this week, which is one week after
Gabby Potito ended, then we did it my way if
we listen. If you're listening to it, it's been two
weeks since Gabby Patito ended, you're we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Stu's way, So check your calendars. Yeah, if you're that concern,
if you haven't already stopped playing the episode at this point,
but we got the download so still counts.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm tired tonight. Well, I've worked till seven pm last night,
and I normally I do not normally work. I'm not.
I'm not in one of these roles where I'm working
like people are like, oh, I work like sixty hours
a week or something. No, I work my forty and
I'm usually done. But every once in a while, like
every every probably every six weeks or so, I have
(02:59):
a lot of stuff that is due all at the
same time, and people move schedules and so. Anyway, so
I had to work till seven last night, and then
I had to drive to New Mexico today, which is
just exhausting.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yawn, Yon, I gotta say yon, because I yawned. You
didn't Oh, I.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Didn't say I thought you were just saying what I
was saying was boring. It is, okay, Well what'd you
do today? Stupid?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Move on? I clean the pool, yawn, took the children out.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
To do things, and that's about it.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Kept them all alive all day.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You kept them all alive anyways. All right, So if
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(04:04):
I forget to post on the TikTok. I forget to post.
I get sucked into that algorithm if I'm in that
app too long. That's why we're late on this right
now recording, because I sat down and I started in
the TikTok and that the Chinese government, they sure know me. Well,
they just.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I got you, They got me.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
They get me good every time then. Anyway, So anyway,
so we thank you all for your support and everything,
and so let's go ahead and get into this week's
episode Out of Texas. So with this episode, we meet
Brian Cargill. Now, Brian was born in Wichita Falls, Texas.
His parents did divorce after three years of marriage and
(04:43):
he ends up living with his mom full time. Now
his mom, she was a single mother. They struggled and
they just moved a lot. They moved around a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, he went like twenty damn schools between elementary and
high schoolers.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well it wasn't twenty it was he ended up in
six different schools by the time time he graduated.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I thought he went six and elementary, and then he
moved like three times and jail.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Maybe it was nine and then another No, I thought
he said it was like he moved a whole He
moved like a not a normal amount of time.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We didn't watch the same episode.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Then, okay, whatever, God, the one, the one?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
What do I don't know? Whatever it was, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
The Brian laundry one. You said that they said something
and I was like, I didn't catch that anyway. So
basically though, he his mom was a single mother. You know,
she's having to move around, change your jobs, things like that.
They moved schools a lot. Stu's doing the single lady
dance over there. He just be thankful. This is an
(05:43):
audio program. There are no cameras rolling right now.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yes, we have faces made for audio podcasts.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Did you just say that about me?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
No, you said we have said. I said me have
faces you I would never Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So Brian took a real interest in buildings and structures
and decided to study architecture in college. After graduation, he
ended up working in Dallas, Texas. Now, Brian he always
wanted a stable life with a good career, and just
like that traditional nuclear family. And this was a dude
to a lot of how he grew up. He just
(06:23):
craved like stability, you know, get married for life, have
a baby, live in one place, things like that. So
he did end up marrying young, but just after a
few years, his wife she's.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Like a one out going to the club, buddy.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm getting out. Well, he was very upset about this
and just felt like he was, you know, part of
another broken family, which they did not have children yet,
so there's that plus as they got out before then, well,
Brian went through the divorce and about nine months after
it was finalized, his friend at him up on a
blind date with a woman named Kimberly West.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Kimberly was a twenty seven year old receptionist. His friend
said she was pretty and vivacious and he they just
thought that they would be just a great match. And
when Brian showed up for the date, he was pleasantly
surprised because she was good looking. You know, he didn't
have to you know, pretend, and you know, and Brian
is like so so when they showed the pictures, I
(07:25):
think he looks better now that he's older. In the
in the in the episode. Yeah, but when it was younger,
he looked like he played dungeons and dungeons and dragons.
That's all.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I'm gonna cheetos.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, so cheetos?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Is that what they eat when they're playing dungeons?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I have no idea what I mean. I'm I'm into
Harry Potter and stuff, but I draw the line at
dungeons and dragons. Is it called D D, D and
D yes? Okay, did you play it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Requires effort.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Uh. One of my brothers, some of his friends were
a little weird and they played it and everything. One
of them wore like a trench of coat, you know,
which was bad timing because of you know, Columbine and everything,
like not a good.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Nath Yes, oh, thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
The other guy, he the one guy had a brother.
I'm not even going to go into it because it's disturbing.
We won't talk about it. So anyways, so he meets
Kimberly and on this blind date and she's pretty fun.
Everything that he was expecting. Well, they also had just
a you know, like quite a few things in common
(08:35):
because Kimberly was recently divorced and she was going through
a custody battle, so he could relate to that he
was just divorced and everything like that. Now, over the
next few weeks, Kim and Brian they continue to grow close.
They were talking on the phone all the time. Well,
he said that he started to fill this connection with
Kim that he just didn't have with his ex wife,
and he felt that it was a very romantic relationship.
(08:58):
I think he was very a tracted tours.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Basically, he was.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Lusting actual Kimberly. So they end up going after they're
talking on the so they go on the first date.
They're talking on the phone a lot. Over the next
few weeks, they decided to go on this second date,
but it.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Was actually at a divorce support group is where they
decided to go.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Like, why the fuck now.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
No red flag? Red flag?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
There's a lot of red flags.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I thought it was a circus.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
They say, red flags just look like flags whenever you
got your rose colored glasses on. Really, yes, you get that,
you understand, Okay, So he's there's there's some red flags
going on. But they have decided to go to this
divorce support group. I guess because they both were coming
out of divorce and this was just something they were
(09:50):
going to go do together. Start dating at the divorce.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So maybe he was dating for a marriage, and he's like,
I got to go do the things she's interested in doing.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And maybe because it was her group, because you're gonna
here soon, it was her group, So Brian, he gets
there early and he goes in like a normal person.
He grabs a seat. He saves one next to him
for Kimberly. Uh, we're gonna start calling her Kim because
that's what I typed, because I couldn't because Kimberly is
much longer name than you know. I shortenessed to Kim anyway,
So Kim, he seats.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Are you sure Kim is okay with us?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
O can fuck what Kim wants to. Maybe we should
care though she's crazy, So he puts he saves the
seat next to him, like a normal a normal thing
that you would do well. Kim arrives and immediately Brian
knows there's something off about this whole thing. She was
(10:41):
visibly angry when she walked in.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Been there, I've seen that.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
She's visibly angry. And she goes in and she doesn't
sit next to him in the seat that he's says,
she sets across from him and then just glick. I
can imagine with her arms crossed. It's something similar I would.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Do to stew Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Stu's felt that those daggers before coming out. I'm just
I could see.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
The whole thing, but I just poke in pride.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I know. Stu just continues to poke and prode until
I like snap, and then I'm on snapped, and then
I'm on knives with wives, and then you're not worried
about who the bleep did I marry? You're like, this
bitch has got a knive and she's snapped. Anyways, go
on with what I'm just working in all the names
of the shows. Oh, Deadly Affairs, that's the one that
(11:30):
Susan Lucci host. Is she still alive?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Anyways, So afterwards, Kim confronts Brian in the hallway of
this like outside you know, it's usually they're meeting at
like a church or a schools there in this hallway
or whatever, and she confronts him saying that it was
her group, and then he should have not gone in
without her. He should have waited, He should have stood
out there and waited. Maybe she's right, you know, I'm
(12:00):
sorrying to think maybe she was right. She then just
grabs his face. He says, she grabbed my face. She
kisses him, and then she storms off like he should
have exited stage left immediately after this. He should not
have stayed around.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Sounds exciting to me.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
That's well, that's what I was saying. He was a little,
you know, dorky looking, and Kim was you know, uh pretty.
We didn't see a lot of pictures of her when
she was younger, but she was attractive.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, I'll kicked this cup.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yes, and so this is like probably some like passionate excitement.
That's what he made it sound like they had this
kind of passionate relationship, and so he was. He was
there for it, even though it was crazy. Well, he
does think this is weird. However, he does.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Give him a chub sounds like a half chubb. Might
be a fall on chub, we don't know, but he
sounded when he was talking about it, he sounded a
little excited about the story, like it was going back
to it and thinking.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, he was. He was into it for sure, a
little bit a little rough, you know. So he continues
to see her and they didn't even really talk about
this incident, which I can I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They just never talked about it ever again got on
this show.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Oh no, imagine it's just like this uncomfortable moment, and
so he's just like, I'm not gonna bring it up,
or she's not gonna bring.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
My chob was.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Was in her leg, Okay, I was. I don't know
why I felt this so funny. Anyways, get it together,
get it together, okay. So le Stu was saying. Brian
said that it just awakened passions in him, that these
were his words that he did not know he had,
(13:53):
and he quickly fell in love love. I think he
was thinking with a different head.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yes, Carrington, I remember we went and watched that. We
went to that comedy show, didn't we yat on Rouge.
Stud's getting after me about my TikTok. I just want
to say, if an entire government is out to get me,
how am I supposed to? Stuart? You spend all your
(14:24):
time on the stupid build a blog thing or whatever,
build a bear or whatever it is, the little screwing
things and unscrewing things and like moving things.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, I'm building the gate, I'm building the gazebo. I'm
painting things, and yes I play.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, I'm doing other things too, but sometimes I like
to just mindlessly scroll. Stewart, Okay, I'm writing a podcast episode,
all right, just just get on with it.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Okay, Okay, fine. Brian and Kim are a few months
and of their relationship. Kim's going through her custody battle
with her ex, and she asked Brian to come and
be a character witness on her behalf in the courtroom
red flag, probably at least number two that we know,
probably fifteen that he hasn't said anything about.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, I just feel like, maybe if you're trying to
get your child, why would you bring in your boyfriend
for the last couple of months. Yeah, and why don't
you have other people to be the character witness ones?
You don't have to like trap with your you know, Vagina.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You're Kitty, your Jingo taking the skin boat to tune
it down.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
That's a quote from what was it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Can we just get that Brian agrees for some reason.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
We know why, Stewart, we know why. I see previous
line awaken passions in him.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So he's there at the courthouse m H. And Kim's
other friend is there to support her friend.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I would like to use the bunnies.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Around that bunny quotes. Yeah, yes, because this friend slips
Brian Kim's psychological profile. He said it had a ton
of words and diagnoses, diagnoses that he did not really understand.
But he did say that she was diagnosed with borderline personalities.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
It also said he also said it said narcissism. And
it's like, those are not those are not a big,
you know, therapy psychiatrist's words. Those are everyday things that
people I understand. I don't have to be a psychiatrist be.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Like borderline personality disorder that's not good, narcissists, that's not good.
But he was.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
He acts like he was so confused by it all,
all the big words.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yes, So he immediately showed it to her and he's like,
I ain't doing this no more. We're breaking up. Just kidding.
He did not. He was not so sure or he
believed the friend are he believed what wait, no, wrong?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Kim told her that told him that that her ex
paid off the psychiatrist to falsify the results. Yes, the profile, yes,
which like wait a minute, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
There's another red flag. I mean, what's Brian.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Thinking, yeah, Brian's thinking Stu.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, Brian, He's not sure he's believing Kim. But since
Kim lost in court that day she lost custody to
the ex, He's like, hey, I ain't got to do nothing. Now,
He's like, I ain't got to bring it up. She
don't want to talk about it. I don't want to
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I want to get late.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I want, you know, some some comfort sects tonight. Yeah.
Brian and Kim continue to date, but according to Brian,
Kim became very volatile in this relationship and he felt
like he had to walk on eggshells around her so
that he didn't set her off and she wouldn't be like,
why are you so stupid? Like all the time?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Shut up?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
He's saying that because because I just said.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
That off air, off recording. He's so annoying.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Why just because I got lost on where my when
I was raiding? Yes, Finally, after five months together, Brian
decided he was going to break it off.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
This is only five months, people, We're only We're only
five months. He's been through divorced support group, He's been
assaulted in the hallway with the aggressive kissing and the
face holding.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Probably penis grabbing, but he didn't say that she probably
grabbed his penis when she did it too.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
He was trying to keep it pg for the kids.
He's gone to court for her custody battle to be
a character witness. Found out she's crazy. All of this
is all in five months. I mean, she really packs
it in.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, I mean, you can't say she's not trying.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
No, she's trying to make it on a Discovery channel,
a true crime episode.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
That's what it sounded like to me. So Brian decides
he's going to break it off, but he done broke
it off and Kimberly won too many times stuid because
she says I'm pregnant Brian, oh, and he's like he
was like, oh Jesus. So he immediately has a sense
of dread, and he had a bad feeling about the
future with this woman. But he didn't want to walk
(19:35):
away from his girlfriend, who was now pregnant with his child.
He didn't necessarily want to marry him, and he told
her that they didn't have to get married, but she
said that if he didn't marry her, he would never
see her or the child ever again.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So they became engaged.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
She won yes, So they got engaged in June of
nineteen ninety four, married in a small ceremony in New Mexico.
It was Brian's mother's house.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I was just a New Mexico stud probably passed Brian's
mom's house.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Did you wave?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Brian put on a brave face, but he was not
excited about the wedding.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
After the nuptials, I can't believe he admitted this one.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He admitted that he went to the back of the
house somewhere and he just wept.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
He said he had a good cry. God bless him.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But I wouldn't tell anybody that let me take that
one to the grave. Yeah, I would if nobody saw
me doing it. And they couldn't say no, I really no.
I don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes the fan
sounds like someone crying.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Anyway. So a few months after the wedding, Kim gives
birth to their son. And this son's name is Jamie.
And at first there wasn't There was like a time
of peace. It was short lived, but it was even Yeah,
a little short time of peacefulness right after the baby came,
and he's got you know, they're a little high from
having the baby. Maybe this is gonna work. Maybe she
(21:08):
just you know, she has the child, Maybe she's gonna
straighten up, be different.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, because hormones and a after birth are just they
just level right on out.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, they do. STI Stuve's been in the receiving end of.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
End of I don't even know what you're like. What
I don't even remember what you're actually like when you're
not pregnant and hormonal.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Probably this right now, Stuart, Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
This is the best it can as good as it's
gonna get.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
No, because I tried to explain to Stuart that they
say it takes two years for your hormones to level
out after you have a baby. Well, I just kept
getting pregnant and everything, and then I was pumping the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So that's your I was pumping, I guess, Oh.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
My god, Jesus Christ. Okay, moving on, moving on. So
they have this a little bit of time that it's peaceful,
but it didn't last long, and just a few weeks
later they had a major incident. So Brian just decided
he had he'd been having a day, you know, with
old Kim. So he goes and locks himself in a
(22:15):
room just trying to get away from the arguing. And
this is when Kim picks up a hammer threw it
at the wall where it lodged in there.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's not true. What she came kicking the door. She's like,
you get your ass out of the motherfucker. So she
was banging on the door, kicking the door.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
What is this really happening? Just making this up?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Okay, because he was locked in the room, so she
was kicking the door.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
She did.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
He's like, fine, he walks out, and he walks out,
and then she whips the hammer at him.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Oh, I thought she whipped the hammer in the wall
while he was still in there and he came out.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
No, he said, it almost missed his head. Oh, it
did miss his head, almost hit him, whizzed by his
ear or something embedded in the wall.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, And then she told him that not to remove it.
He was going to take the hammer out. She said, no,
don't take it out, as if it was just to
be left there as a warning.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Thinking that's the warning. Yeah, and every time you walk
by that, remember what this bitch is capable of doing.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, and doing all this with like a newborn baby
in now it's just insane. So a few more months
passed and it finally all came to a head when
Kim punched Brian in the face. They were in the car.
She just punches him and he immediately files for divorce
to He's like, okay, I'm at my that was like
the last straw. Okay, she's actually she's punched me. Now, baby, no, baby,
(23:33):
I got to get out of this this thing now.
Brian would now go through a tough custody battle as
the other exes went through, and Kim was just to
the point where she was just harassing Brian at work,
calling him incessantly. He sat up to fifty times a
day she was calling. And then you know, back then
(23:55):
she's calling and it's going through a yeah, like a raceist.
It's not like he's she's blowing up his iPhone or whatever.
I mean, we don't even have desk phones at work anymore,
Like we don't have those phones. Nobody has those. So
she's actually having a contact receptionist to buzz through to him,
(24:15):
and so the everyone at work.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Knows it's your wife.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Again, Brian, could you please stop telling your wife to
call from calling the office. Yeah, So it's it's becoming
awkward for him at work and everything, and everybody knows
he's having.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
To deal with this and he's having marital issues.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yes, I'm sure that at that point he had to
tell everybody at works, Hey, this bitch is crazy. I'm
trying to divorce her, but she has my baby.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So and I no, I ain't got no money for
an attorney to fight the custody.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So yeah, well, no, he had, he had money, but
he was. The problem was is that Kim wasn't working
and Brian was paying her rent for her to live in.
About seventy five percent of his paycheck was going to her,
leaving him only a small portion for him to live
in an apartment. Stuff. So he was I don't know
if he wanted to go to the point at that point.
(25:05):
I don't know if he was ready to do the
full you know, cut you off, get a lawyer, because
the problem is she had the baby. You know, that's
in bitches.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Back then, mama always get the mama's Well, she lost custody.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Other one, so no, they don't always get it. But
she had to be pretty fuck up pretty hard to
lose one, especially back then, because I don't feel like
they gave the it's more today they see that there's
two sides of the story. But I feel like there
was a time when it just was always default the mom,
unless the mom was really terrible.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
In nineteen ninety five, the custody battle was finally settled,
Brian and Kim ended up with shared custody. Kim quickly
started using the sun as a way to control Brian,
as bitches will do be like, bitches be doing that. Yeah,
he said that he would go to pick him up.
She wouldn't let him. She'd call him out of the
blues like, hey, you're gonna come get him when it
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wasn't his time. When it was his time, she'd withhold him.
Just basically happen with him. Now. As the years went on,
Brian was concerned for his son's safety because Kimberly was
a ratic and he wasn't sure what he could do.
It's not like he can go without an incident. You
can't just go to the judge and say, how I
(26:25):
just want to redo custody because it could go either way.
After you spend a shit ton of money.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, and unless he has, you know, it seems like
it does take a lot, even if the child is
saying that something's happening. I don't feel like they take
the kids, you know, because they could be or they
could be one of them could be manipulated by the
other parent and everything that. So he doesn't have any actual.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Dad gives me chocolate after dinner. Mom done.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, so I'm gonna go. Yeah. So they don't know which,
you know, I guess they have to kind of determine
whether the if he would have to go one to
go down that whole route of his son now being
interviewed by like CPS things like that, which is probably
traumatizing in and of itself.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, then there's Kim. So one day Kim decides to
snap and she attacks.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Decides to snap. Well, she made a decision.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And know what was that thing you said the other day?
That was, I don't know what I'm going to do
with this, but I have plans for it.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yes, you think for I made a video about my
Goodwill purchases and I.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Said, I don't know why I bought this ball, but
I have plans for it.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I said, I don't know why I bought this ball.
I'm not sure what I'm doing with it. And then
I turned around and said, but it was a good deal.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But I have plates. No, I don't. I don't know
what my plans are, but they will. They're there, They're
floating in the universe.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Okay, Well, Kim deciding to snap a sarcas.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Oh my god, that this cat just busted up into
this room and scared this shit out of me. I
swear to god, I thought we.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
We're going to be on an episode of a true
crime podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yes, okay, we got to go handle Jinks because he's crying.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yes, So Kim snaps and she attacks the eleven year
old kid. So we've gone eleven years now from the
time that he was like, effet, I'm out of here
to this point in time. Now. What she actually does
is she takes a belt and she slips it over
his neck with the belt through the buckle part and
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just starts pulling on it, choking the kid from behind,
and he's like blacking out and he finally gets away,
tells his dad about it. Brian's like what the hell.
He calls CPS. They have physical evidence. He's got bruising
on his arm, bruising on his necks from where she
attacked him, and the judge finally gives Brian full custody
(28:52):
of his son, but in the infinite wisdom of the judge,
they give Kim unsupervised visitation.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
How is that?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Even I don't understand. This is what I feel like.
This is one of these judges, the way that they're
letting her because remember she lost custody with the previous one.
But this judge seems to be like one of these
that no matter what the mother does, we're just going
to side with the mother. Yeah, because there is no
way in hell they would give a dad unsupervised visitation
(29:22):
if he choked out one of his children. There's no,
absolutely no way.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
No, you're going to get a supervised vegetation at a
facility or somebody's got to be there or something. Yes,
So Brian's worrying for his son every time he had
to drop him off with Kim. In the meantime, in
the interim, Brian somehow has time to meet another woman
and gets remarried again for the third time.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
This is the love of his life, he says, which
I yes, which I think I think you would know, Stu.
I think.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
What next time? No, No, this time is the charm.
Kim just gave up on men altogether. I mean, actually no,
she didn't. She got in another relationship, got her another sucker,
had another child, and then ended up getting divorced or
(30:21):
on our way to divorce, and in a custody battle
with that fella as well.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I mean, we're on rinse and repeat. At this point,
we're just literally the same story, different chapter, We're not.
She does the same thing, and I can't believe these
guys keep falling for this. I guess she maintains it
under the wraps for but she was crazy with Brian
right off from the beginning, I feel like, and he
just shows.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Him like he was a little excited about it.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I know he was. She must pick a certain type
of guy that's gonna fall for this. You know.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Well, she didn't throw the hammer at their head until
they're already married.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Well, she's already had the baby.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, yeah, she's just got them on lock down with
the rain, got the baby out, and then she chucks
the hand were at him, and it's like, oh shit,
what did I do?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, So Brian is now not the only person that
Kim was trying to make miserable. So she has, you know,
her first ex she has her next ex, and then
now she has her new ex husband and custody battle
to focus on.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
She's got a lot of shit to spread around, a
lot of hatred to spread around. So not everybody's feeling
the full brunt of it.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yes they are still concerned, but they're not feeling it
full force. Now she's going through the custody battle. She
had primary custody of their child, which I can't believe. Again,
why are we not referencing the other situations.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
But maybe the fellow didn't know, or maybe he was
more fucked up than she was.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Somehow I doubt it. So she needed to find a
babysitter for the four year old while she was at work,
because she did go in to school and become a
registered nurse. She actually did go get a job. At
some points, I can't.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Imagine being land in the hospital room and she rolls
in there.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, so a friend mentioned a woman named Walker who
might be able to help. Cherry was a thirty nine
year old woman that was mentally operating at a sixth
grade level, but she was capable of watching, you know,
a child for a short period of time to make
some money.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yes, she actually lived by herself.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, she lived on her own everything, So she was
she she was capable. She just but she did have
she did have to have an aid that would stop
by the house daily. But she was independent and she
was capable of taking care of a child. Now, Kim
quickly took advantage of Cherry because she was, you know, mentally,
you know, operating at that sixth grade level. And so
(32:37):
she this is like prime picking for all crazy Kim
over here. So she starts leaving with her son with
Cherry for days at a time, not paying her, not
leaving any food. Cherry was on a fixed income, so
she would often have to just not eat so that
the child could eat. Like she was a really nice
lady and she she but she didn't understand the full
(33:00):
capacity of what this woman was was doing. So this
aid is still stopping by at this time, but they
didn't really go into that dynamic. But I'm guessing the
aid she is an independent adult, so I mean, there's
only so much the aid can do. She can come
by and see. But if Cherry says it's okay with
the son, that she leaves the sun with me for
(33:20):
several days and she's okay with it, she's an adult,
and there's only so much I would say.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, So what Kim was doing with the child, dropping
him off and everything like that and leaving him for
days on end got back to the ex husband because
Cherry did eventually stop watching the child, and then the
ex husband found out about it. They're going through this
custody battle. So Cherry is actually subpoenaed to testify about
(33:48):
Kim's treatment of the child, the dropping him off, not
leaving food, just her general behavior.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Now, how long have you left her? How long was
she leaving the child with you? And blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, so Cherry was like, oh shit, Yeah, she's in
a She's like, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I'm about to get about it's the third child.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, which I don't understand. She doesn't, but I do
understand though she doesn't care about these children. She cares
about the power that these children hold over these men,
is what she cared. She could care less about the kids, obviously,
not care less. Could not care less, you know, stud.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Say, child support and the power.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yes, I think she mainly she really enjoys she gets
off on that power trip that she gets.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I'm sure she wanted the cash too.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
On June eighteenth, twenty ten, I may sixty days before
Karen Stuart met Kim twenty ten for the History Books,
Kim began frantically calling Cherry and she called her seventy
times in one day. She is also frantically calling Brian
and he let it go to boysmail. She left a
message asking if he had been subpoena and what he
(34:54):
was going to say. Now. Brian didn't think much of this,
and he went about his weekend like whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, because he was actually in the car with his
you know, new wife, and they were headed off for
a weekend together. So he's like, I cannot I cannot
deal it.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I love making, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I cannot deal with this crazy right now. Center to voicemail.
I'm not today, Satan you know.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, that'd be terrible. He'd be talking her on the phone.
Drive off the road, die because your ex wife is
calling you. You know what I'm saying, No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Can you relate?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
No? I cannot Okay, I did not die. On June nineteenth,
a pizza delivery guy came upon a body on the
side of the road in White House, Texas. Police arrive
at the scene and find a badly charred body. They
assess the crime scene and see that there is an
unburned coffee creamer on the ground by the body, one
of the little ones you get at the gas station
or at the hotel or whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, oh yeah, I used to drink the little creamers
at the luby. We used to go to Luby's for
Sunday or whatever, and they used to have those creamers.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You'd drink the half and half right out of the
little content. Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I used to drink those things. Yep, that was my fate. Yes, Stuart,
I still remember doing that, and it was they were
so good. That's wrong with me? It might be I
don't know. Maybe, well, because I'm an adult, I'm like,
maybe I shouldn't drink half and half creamers, you know,
at a table at a restaurant. That's inappropriate. Maybe I should,
But I can get the kids to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Stop it. The body was unidentifiable due to the state
of the victim. They put out information to the public
to see if they can find out who this might be.
If there's anybody who's got somebody missing, they ain't seeing
it in a while. They can't find them Meanwhile, a
pastor and his wife Gethrie and run Walker had contacted
(36:46):
police because they had not heard from their daughter in
more than twenty four hours, Cherry or They're saying that
their daughter is normally in contact with them multiple times
a day. Police tell them about a body that was found.
They're in the worst. They head to the police station
and through dental records, they discover that it was their daughter, Cherry.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Now, while this is going on, Brian is contacted by
Kim's mother.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Even Kim's mother no bitch is crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, telling him that she believes that Kim may have
had something to do with Cherry and is worried for
Brian and Jamie's safety. They decided to go into hiding
until they can find the police, can find Kim and everything,
because this could be an escalation. She's just gone off
the rails, you know when they could be next.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yes, they're in the show. Yeah, Brian says this. He's like, yeah,
me and Jamie had to go on hiding for her safety.
He didn't mention the new wife things like, I mean
she had to bring her with her too.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, well, I don't know. She seems to really just
focus on the men and the children. I don't she
doesn't seem to have any crazy behavior whenever they move on.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Well, I don't know. If they can't find them, maybe
I'll just get her.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Well anyways, well she might he might have went with them.
She might have went. Maybe she was I don't know
mention it.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
So I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, we did note that that they didn't say that
the whole family went into hiding, just Brian and Jamie.
So please go to Cherry's apartment and they find messages
on her answering machine from a woman that sounded a
bit frantic. They play the voicemail for the AID and
she immediately identifies the voice as coming from Kim. Now,
(38:22):
the AID was worried for Cherry. She had confided in
her that Kim was upset about the subpoena because the
AID stops by every day, so she'd stop by that day.
Cherry's talking to her about it, and Cherry told the
AID that Kim wanted to take her to dinner that night. Well,
they say it's like, hey, Cherry, don't just stay away
from this woman. Lock your door, don't go to dinner,
(38:44):
don't talk to her, and that I'll see you in
the morning and we'll we can go we'll talk this
out and everything at that, but just just lock your
door and don't go anywhere with Kim.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So this is all the aide's fault. The aide should
have called her parents and like, hey, this crazy bitch
is calling your daughter. She wants to take it.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I don't know if they called the parents, though.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
They know the aid did not call the parents or
would have came over. They would have came over. So
this AA should have called the parent.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
She should have been a little more proactive. Yes, proactive,
and maybe maybe she felt it was inappropriate, but she
should have just called the parents been saying, hey, there's
an issue with this crazy Kim lady.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
M hmm.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah. So that ends up being the aid was actually
the last person besides the person who did it. Cherry Alive.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Police call to Kim's house and she refuses to speak
them to them without a lawyer present, and she will
not let them search the home without a warrant. They leave.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
But the good decision Kim, though, just saying is don't
let police just come in your house start looking for shit.
You better come even me if I was you need
to have a search warrant. I ain't gonna let you
just stop through my house. Have you seen after the
search warrants? Now they tear up your house and they don't.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Put anything, just yank drawers out, dump on flipping. No,
I don't give two shoes.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
You're not coming in and destroying my house. You better
have a judge sign off on that exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
And no, I'm not going to do a light detector test.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
No, definitely don't do a light detector test.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Police leave, but they keep an eye on Kim while
they work to get the search warrant signed. Kim leaves
her house because she's frantic. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I don't even think they had to keep much of
an eye on her. I think they were literally sparked
down the block trying to call the judge to get
the search warm in.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
This bitch, this sting dong. She just like leaves the house.
She's frantically driving. She runs a stop sign, so now
she's given them probable cause to pull her over, which
they do, and they see one of those exact coffee
creamers that was found at the crime scene on the
floorboard in her car. With probable cause, they seize her car.
(40:55):
They take it in to be processed. With a search
warrant in hand. They had to cat house when they
enter the home, it's disgusting. There's food everywhere. This isn't
like messy people. This isn't like dirty laundry.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
This is like hoarders.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, this is she's horders. Like she's not horder, but
maybe the beginning of a horder. This has got just
empty food containers and plates and just grosser.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Trash, just everything all over. Just the bed she was
sleeping in was just trashed in the.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Mad months since the sheets have been washed. It's ever
laundry is completely piled up in the laundry room.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, it's and she had a four year old son
like living there with her in this filth.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yes, So this house is disgusting. Everything is just like
you don't want to touch it unless you got gloves on.
But there is one item in the washing machine.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
And I haven't done a laundry in a year, but
there's one item.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
There's a Yes, there's a sheet. They take it in
for processing. Other items they were able to cut to
cut connect to the crime scene where tire marks on
the dirt road that match those on Kim's car. They
were identical, identical, the coffee Cramer little capsule, and the
(42:13):
fact that she had picked up Cherry for dinner the
night before yeap. So all these things lead them to
believe that she did this. Kim is their primary suspect.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah. So on July thirty first, twenty ten, Kim was
charged with capital murder and they were going after the
death penalties.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Do because that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
This was just terrible. This is the woman that was
that was okay uh, This was a woman that had,
you know, mentally disabled things like that, and she's taken
advantage of her and then on top of it, kills
her to try to protect herself. They believe that Kim.
This is what they've had to surmise from because again
(42:55):
the body was burned very badly to where it was
hard to get any type.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yes, there was an accelerant use then, so all the
physical evidence on the body was destroyed.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
And the manner of death and everything. So they believe
that Kim strangled Cherry, wrapped her in that sheet that
she had in the washing machine, then dragged her to
her car and drove her out to dispose of and
then burned the body to cover it up now. During
the trial, Kim argued this was their the defense's argument. Yes,
Kim argued that Cherriot had a seizure while she was
(43:29):
driving to dinner with her and she couldn't save her.
She had a seizure, couldn't save her. Keep in mind,
Kim is a nurse, So I mean, yeah, So this
is what where we're going to go with is that
she was afraid she was going to be accused of
the murder, so she tried to well accused of that
she died under her watch and that Kim was going
(43:51):
to be blamed for it. So but if she had
a seizure, then you could if this were in fact
trick and passed away from that. So it's all bullshit.
I can't believe it. Defense attorney even.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Was like, we're hi, Kim, there's a bunch of I'm
still I can't Yeah, I can't believe some of the
defenses attorneys use.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Defenses attorneys use yes, yeah, defense attorneys, defenses attorneys use yes. Yes.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I got what she said because it sounded like defense
attorneys use yes.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Anyways, Yes, it sounded like that, and then I was
repeating it back to hear it in my head and anyways,
but yes, this is what this is the best they
could do. All the evidence was pointing to her, this
is the best they could come up with. Well, it
did not work. They the jury did not buy it,
and on May twenty twelve, she was found guilty and
(44:49):
the jury did recommend the death penalty. Now currently though
Kim is still sitting on death row, she's I mean
that's been We're thirteen years almost. That's just freaking just
do it already.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Okay, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, get all sparky
fired up, let's go.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Well, I think it's lethal injection at this point.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
That's a good thing. I'm not in charge of the
death penalty stuff because everybody knows this. Listeners for a while.
I'm all about it.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yes, you're all about it.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
We know. And if we can get the chair going
or the fire and squad. They got the fire and
squad up in Utah.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Anyways, this is just this was a kind of a
kookie story with Brian and Kim and everything like that.
But it's just we weren't sure. Whenever you start the episode,
you're not sure where it's going to go. And I
was like, oh my God, is she going to kill
the like where I was afraid she's going to kill
like the child or something. Yeah, but it's just I mean,
she's just a terrible person.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Of all the people that she did, they always kill
somebody in these things? Are they? Sometimes they're just crazy.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
And I think they always kill somebody? Yeah? Uh no,
sometimes it's not. One of the ones was the lady
found out her husband was like this a rapist that's
been large for you know, years that they've been trying
to find she found out that's who.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Oh yeah, we were watching that one on the guy
trying to hang his wife to get rid of her,
but he failed.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I remember that he felt. Anyways, my point was is
that of all the people that Kim's gone through her
whole entire life just being a terrible person, just terrible mother,
all these ex husbands and everything, and this poor lady
is the one that ultimately she's already seen me.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
I mean, I don't know what access she asked to
other presidents in gin pop and where she's at if
she does, Oh.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
She's running a she's running a block. I can tell
you that she's.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Hey, girl, let me get your commissary. Yeah, I'll give
you a little something, give me some commissary.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah. So anyways, all right, well that's our episode for
this week. STU, do you have a y'all need Jesus?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
I always have a y'all need Jesus.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
He doesn't actually have one now, but we're going to
go find one.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
I got it, you have it, I got it.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Okay, whip it out, Jesus. What's wrong with you? Oh
my god? Okay, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Woman accused of attacking man with a gardening tool after
he canceled plans with her. According to police, was it
a hoe? It might have been. You were just I
saw you jump up when I said gardening. Told you're like, oh,
this is my shot. This Florida or not Florida, Not Florida,
(47:33):
Florida woman oh Man Coming to us from Fox News
by Elizabeth Pritchett, published February seventeenth, A Florida woman is
behind bars after she allegedly attacked a man with a
garden hoe. Oh it was a ho for canceling. Ho
with a hoe for canceling plans? Whether the Polk County
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Sheriff's office said Melanie Davis, aged forty seven, girl, your
tool for the show. Had plans to hang out with
a man last week when he canceled on her, according
to Fox thirteen Tampa Bay. Upset by his decision, Davis
allegedly went to his home in Frostproof Frostproof, Florida at
(48:17):
around three am on a Tuesday night and began yelling
at him from outside.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Girl, you were too old to be shouting at people
on a Tuesday night at three am.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
This isn't even It would have been better at least
it was a Saturday or Friday. Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, just a random Tuesday. The alteredication escalated when Davis
climbed the fence to his property, pushed through a door,
and began punching him. Investigator said, this girl is serious.
At some point she grabbed the gardening tool and hit
him with it, which caused a serious cut on his arm.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
She grabbed the hoe, which was the house.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
The man was taken to the hospital while Davis was
taken to jail. She has charged with arm burglary with battery,
aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, simple battery, and criminal mischief.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
And hoe and around.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Davis has a long history with the Polk County Sheriff's office,
dating back to nineteen ninety seven, when she was first
charged with battery at age nineteen years old.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Well, she just needs to be put away. We don't
not need this terroristic.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Anger management class, or she needs a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Or something, or an exorcism.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Jail record show she has been arrested in Polk County
twenty seven times prior to last week's incident. Her previous
charges ranged from petty theft to battery causing serious injury.
The last time she was booked into Polk County jail
was in March twenty twenty four, when she was charged
with domestic pop isolence on a person over the age
(49:51):
of sixty five.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Oh, there's extra charges for the elderly.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Well, she got out because that was March last year.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
This is ridiculous because at some point she's gonna escalate
it up to where she kills somebody. You know. It's
like that Kim lady we just talked about. It's gonna
she's gonna do it at some point. They need to
stop letting her out. They got all these people on
like petty petty, like drug charges and stuff sitting in there.
I'm worried about this crazy bitch.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah, it's like twenty seven times domestic abuse and all
this other stuff. It's like the person I got for
their Yeah, we arrested him for a six d UI.
It's like, why is this motherfucker stop driving?
Speaker 1 (50:26):
These people need to be in jail, not to not
to because you had some some drugs, you know. Not
worried about you. I'm worried about the d w I
guy and crazy yeah or not? What her name wasn't Kim.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Melanie and Kim?
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yes? All right, well that is our episode for the week.
And yeah, check all the stuff I said at the
beginning and rate review, subscribe. I'm getting tired. I'm fading quickly, guys,
I'm fading. I gotta go to bed.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah you did?
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah, Stuart? What no go to sleep? Anyways?
Speaker 2 (51:03):
All right?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Well yeah yeah, yeah, alright, well shoot, what do we say?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
All right?
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Anything else you'd like to say? Stoo?
Speaker 2 (51:11):
I would not?
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Okay, all right, bye, everyone say bye.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
To Don't you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shots
bucknapping else it's working and it's pretty learning, Adam sick.
It's worthy.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Can
Hey, everyone, welcome, bless this mess in the True Crime Podcast.
I don't care. Here's Stu say hay Stu, Right, all right,
we're back this week and we are going to be
covering an episode from Who the Bleep Did I Marry?
The Babysitter Killers? Do What?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Say What? Episode? I don't know you didn't write that down? No, wow,
that's terrible.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Okay. Anyways, it's what that's the name. They can look
at it if they want to watch it. Anyways, we
were watching some true crime stuff over the weekend and
this one came up and it was pretty interesting, kind
of crazy story, a little ridiculous, yes, a little ridiculous.
Well that's what you're going to get on who the
Bleep Did I marry?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Or anything that Susan Luci host, you know, she's like
Affairs that Kill or something like that. And then the
one last time that Stu thought I was making up
Wives with Knives, I showed it like, see this is
it Wives with Knives. I hope to be featured on
that show one day.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Maybe I'll do what I can.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Anyway, so we're back this week, so we're gonna so
we're gonna putting an episode this week.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I know we were doing every other week. We're putting
out an episode this week and then we're gonna try
to put one out the next week. But we have
some logistical challenges with recording, so it might be delayed
next week or we might skip next week. But that's
just what it is. It is what it is. It
(01:44):
is what it is. That's what they say, is to.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Do, that's what they do. Say all right, you just
put this one in the can and save it till
next week.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You can't tell you can't, you can't say the other things,
and then just say that and then I'll put the
episode out.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Are like, oh, I guess I did what she did
with suggested.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yes, maybe you guys will see. So if you're.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Listening to this this week, which is one week after
Gabby Potito ended, then we did it my way if
we listen. If you're listening to it, it's been two
weeks since Gabby Patito ended, you're we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Stu's way, So check your calendars. Yeah, if you're that concern,
if you haven't already stopped playing the episode at this point,
but we got the download so still counts.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm tired tonight. Well, I've worked till seven pm last night,
and I normally I do not normally work. I'm not.
I'm not in one of these roles where I'm working
like people are like, oh, I work like sixty hours
a week or something. No, I work my forty and
I'm usually done. But every once in a while, like
every every probably every six weeks or so, I have
(02:59):
a lot of stuff that is due all at the
same time, and people move schedules and so. Anyway, so
I had to work till seven last night, and then
I had to drive to New Mexico today, which is
just exhausting.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yawn, Yon, I gotta say yon, because I yawned. You
didn't Oh, I.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Didn't say I thought you were just saying what I
was saying was boring. It is, okay, Well what'd you
do today? Stupid?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Move on? I clean the pool, yawn, took the children out.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
To do things, and that's about it.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Kept them all alive all day.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You kept them all alive anyways. All right, So if
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I forget to post on the TikTok. I forget to post.
I get sucked into that algorithm if I'm in that
app too long. That's why we're late on this right
now recording, because I sat down and I started in
the TikTok and that the Chinese government, they sure know me. Well,
they just.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I got you, They got me.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
They get me good every time then. Anyway, So anyway,
so we thank you all for your support and everything,
and so let's go ahead and get into this week's
episode Out of Texas. So with this episode, we meet
Brian Cargill. Now, Brian was born in Wichita Falls, Texas.
His parents did divorce after three years of marriage and
(04:43):
he ends up living with his mom full time. Now
his mom, she was a single mother. They struggled and
they just moved a lot. They moved around a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, he went like twenty damn schools between elementary and
high schoolers.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well it wasn't twenty it was he ended up in
six different schools by the time time he graduated.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I thought he went six and elementary, and then he
moved like three times and jail.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Maybe it was nine and then another No, I thought
he said it was like he moved a whole He
moved like a not a normal amount of time.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We didn't watch the same episode.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Then, okay, whatever, God, the one, the one?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
What do I don't know? Whatever it was, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
The Brian laundry one. You said that they said something
and I was like, I didn't catch that anyway. So
basically though, he his mom was a single mother. You know,
she's having to move around, change your jobs, things like that.
They moved schools a lot. Stu's doing the single lady
dance over there. He just be thankful. This is an
(05:43):
audio program. There are no cameras rolling right now.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yes, we have faces made for audio podcasts.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Did you just say that about me?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
No, you said we have said. I said me have
faces you I would never Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So Brian took a real interest in buildings and structures
and decided to study architecture in college. After graduation, he
ended up working in Dallas, Texas. Now, Brian he always
wanted a stable life with a good career, and just
like that traditional nuclear family. And this was a dude
to a lot of how he grew up. He just
(06:23):
craved like stability, you know, get married for life, have
a baby, live in one place, things like that. So
he did end up marrying young, but just after a
few years, his wife she's.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Like a one out going to the club, buddy.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm getting out. Well, he was very upset about this
and just felt like he was, you know, part of
another broken family, which they did not have children yet,
so there's that plus as they got out before then, well,
Brian went through the divorce and about nine months after
it was finalized, his friend at him up on a
blind date with a woman named Kimberly West.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Kimberly was a twenty seven year old receptionist. His friend
said she was pretty and vivacious and he they just
thought that they would be just a great match. And
when Brian showed up for the date, he was pleasantly
surprised because she was good looking. You know, he didn't
have to you know, pretend, and you know, and Brian
is like so so when they showed the pictures, I
(07:25):
think he looks better now that he's older. In the
in the in the episode. Yeah, but when it was younger,
he looked like he played dungeons and dungeons and dragons.
That's all.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I'm gonna cheetos.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, so cheetos?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Is that what they eat when they're playing dungeons?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I have no idea what I mean. I'm I'm into
Harry Potter and stuff, but I draw the line at
dungeons and dragons. Is it called D D, D and
D yes? Okay, did you play it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Requires effort.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Uh. One of my brothers, some of his friends were
a little weird and they played it and everything. One
of them wore like a trench of coat, you know,
which was bad timing because of you know, Columbine and everything,
like not a good.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Nath Yes, oh, thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
The other guy, he the one guy had a brother.
I'm not even going to go into it because it's disturbing.
We won't talk about it. So anyways, so he meets
Kimberly and on this blind date and she's pretty fun.
Everything that he was expecting. Well, they also had just
a you know, like quite a few things in common
(08:35):
because Kimberly was recently divorced and she was going through
a custody battle, so he could relate to that he
was just divorced and everything like that. Now, over the
next few weeks, Kim and Brian they continue to grow close.
They were talking on the phone all the time. Well,
he said that he started to fill this connection with
Kim that he just didn't have with his ex wife,
and he felt that it was a very romantic relationship.
(08:58):
I think he was very a tracted tours.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Basically, he was.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Lusting actual Kimberly. So they end up going after they're
talking on the so they go on the first date.
They're talking on the phone a lot. Over the next
few weeks, they decided to go on this second date,
but it.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Was actually at a divorce support group is where they
decided to go.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Like, why the fuck now.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
No red flag? Red flag?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
There's a lot of red flags.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I thought it was a circus.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
They say, red flags just look like flags whenever you
got your rose colored glasses on. Really, yes, you get that,
you understand, Okay, So he's there's there's some red flags
going on. But they have decided to go to this
divorce support group. I guess because they both were coming
out of divorce and this was just something they were
(09:50):
going to go do together. Start dating at the divorce.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So maybe he was dating for a marriage, and he's like,
I got to go do the things she's interested in doing.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And maybe because it was her group, because you're gonna
here soon, it was her group, So Brian, he gets
there early and he goes in like a normal person.
He grabs a seat. He saves one next to him
for Kimberly. Uh, we're gonna start calling her Kim because
that's what I typed, because I couldn't because Kimberly is
much longer name than you know. I shortenessed to Kim anyway,
So Kim, he seats.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Are you sure Kim is okay with us?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
O can fuck what Kim wants to. Maybe we should
care though she's crazy, So he puts he saves the
seat next to him, like a normal a normal thing
that you would do well. Kim arrives and immediately Brian
knows there's something off about this whole thing. She was
(10:41):
visibly angry when she walked in.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Been there, I've seen that.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
She's visibly angry. And she goes in and she doesn't
sit next to him in the seat that he's says,
she sets across from him and then just glick. I
can imagine with her arms crossed. It's something similar I would.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Do to stew Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Stu's felt that those daggers before coming out. I'm just
I could see.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
The whole thing, but I just poke in pride.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I know. Stu just continues to poke and prode until
I like snap, and then I'm on snapped, and then
I'm on knives with wives, and then you're not worried
about who the bleep did I marry? You're like, this
bitch has got a knive and she's snapped. Anyways, go
on with what I'm just working in all the names
of the shows. Oh, Deadly Affairs, that's the one that
(11:30):
Susan Lucci host. Is she still alive?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Anyways, So afterwards, Kim confronts Brian in the hallway of
this like outside you know, it's usually they're meeting at
like a church or a schools there in this hallway
or whatever, and she confronts him saying that it was
her group, and then he should have not gone in
without her. He should have waited, He should have stood
out there and waited. Maybe she's right, you know, I'm
(12:00):
sorrying to think maybe she was right. She then just
grabs his face. He says, she grabbed my face. She
kisses him, and then she storms off like he should
have exited stage left immediately after this. He should not
have stayed around.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Sounds exciting to me.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
That's well, that's what I was saying. He was a little,
you know, dorky looking, and Kim was you know, uh pretty.
We didn't see a lot of pictures of her when
she was younger, but she was attractive.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, I'll kicked this cup.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yes, and so this is like probably some like passionate excitement.
That's what he made it sound like they had this
kind of passionate relationship, and so he was. He was
there for it, even though it was crazy. Well, he
does think this is weird. However, he does.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Give him a chub sounds like a half chubb. Might
be a fall on chub, we don't know, but he
sounded when he was talking about it, he sounded a
little excited about the story, like it was going back
to it and thinking.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, he was. He was into it for sure, a
little bit a little rough, you know. So he continues
to see her and they didn't even really talk about
this incident, which I can I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They just never talked about it ever again got on
this show.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Oh no, imagine it's just like this uncomfortable moment, and
so he's just like, I'm not gonna bring it up,
or she's not gonna bring.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
My chob was.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Was in her leg, Okay, I was. I don't know
why I felt this so funny. Anyways, get it together,
get it together, okay. So le Stu was saying. Brian
said that it just awakened passions in him, that these
were his words that he did not know he had,
(13:53):
and he quickly fell in love love. I think he
was thinking with a different head.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yes, Carrington, I remember we went and watched that. We
went to that comedy show, didn't we yat on Rouge.
Stud's getting after me about my TikTok. I just want
to say, if an entire government is out to get me,
how am I supposed to? Stuart? You spend all your
(14:24):
time on the stupid build a blog thing or whatever,
build a bear or whatever it is, the little screwing
things and unscrewing things and like moving things.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, I'm building the gate, I'm building the gazebo. I'm
painting things, and yes I play.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, I'm doing other things too, but sometimes I like
to just mindlessly scroll. Stewart, Okay, I'm writing a podcast episode,
all right, just just get on with it.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Okay, Okay, fine. Brian and Kim are a few months
and of their relationship. Kim's going through her custody battle
with her ex, and she asked Brian to come and
be a character witness on her behalf in the courtroom
red flag, probably at least number two that we know,
probably fifteen that he hasn't said anything about.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, I just feel like, maybe if you're trying to
get your child, why would you bring in your boyfriend
for the last couple of months. Yeah, and why don't
you have other people to be the character witness ones?
You don't have to like trap with your you know, Vagina.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You're Kitty, your Jingo taking the skin boat to tune
it down.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
That's a quote from what was it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Can we just get that Brian agrees for some reason.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
We know why, Stewart, we know why. I see previous
line awaken passions in him.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So he's there at the courthouse m H. And Kim's
other friend is there to support her friend.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I would like to use the bunnies.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Around that bunny quotes. Yeah, yes, because this friend slips
Brian Kim's psychological profile. He said it had a ton
of words and diagnoses, diagnoses that he did not really understand.
But he did say that she was diagnosed with borderline personalities.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
It also said he also said it said narcissism. And
it's like, those are not those are not a big,
you know, therapy psychiatrist's words. Those are everyday things that
people I understand. I don't have to be a psychiatrist be.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Like borderline personality disorder that's not good, narcissists, that's not good.
But he was.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
He acts like he was so confused by it all,
all the big words.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yes, So he immediately showed it to her and he's like,
I ain't doing this no more. We're breaking up. Just kidding.
He did not. He was not so sure or he
believed the friend are he believed what wait, no, wrong?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Kim told her that told him that that her ex
paid off the psychiatrist to falsify the results. Yes, the profile, yes,
which like wait a minute, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
There's another red flag. I mean, what's Brian.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Thinking, yeah, Brian's thinking Stu.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, Brian, He's not sure he's believing Kim. But since
Kim lost in court that day she lost custody to
the ex, He's like, hey, I ain't got to do nothing. Now,
He's like, I ain't got to bring it up. She
don't want to talk about it. I don't want to
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I want to get late.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I want, you know, some some comfort sects tonight. Yeah.
Brian and Kim continue to date, but according to Brian,
Kim became very volatile in this relationship and he felt
like he had to walk on eggshells around her so
that he didn't set her off and she wouldn't be like,
why are you so stupid? Like all the time?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Shut up?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
He's saying that because because I just said.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
That off air, off recording. He's so annoying.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Why just because I got lost on where my when
I was raiding? Yes, Finally, after five months together, Brian
decided he was going to break it off.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
This is only five months, people, We're only We're only
five months. He's been through divorced support group, He's been
assaulted in the hallway with the aggressive kissing and the
face holding.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Probably penis grabbing, but he didn't say that she probably
grabbed his penis when she did it too.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
He was trying to keep it pg for the kids.
He's gone to court for her custody battle to be
a character witness. Found out she's crazy. All of this
is all in five months. I mean, she really packs
it in.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, I mean, you can't say she's not trying.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
No, she's trying to make it on a Discovery channel,
a true crime episode.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
That's what it sounded like to me. So Brian decides
he's going to break it off, but he done broke
it off and Kimberly won too many times stuid because
she says I'm pregnant Brian, oh, and he's like he
was like, oh Jesus. So he immediately has a sense
of dread, and he had a bad feeling about the
future with this woman. But he didn't want to walk
(19:35):
away from his girlfriend, who was now pregnant with his child.
He didn't necessarily want to marry him, and he told
her that they didn't have to get married, but she
said that if he didn't marry her, he would never
see her or the child ever again.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So they became engaged.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
She won yes, So they got engaged in June of
nineteen ninety four, married in a small ceremony in New Mexico.
It was Brian's mother's house.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I was just a New Mexico stud probably passed Brian's
mom's house.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Did you wave?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Brian put on a brave face, but he was not
excited about the wedding.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
After the nuptials, I can't believe he admitted this one.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He admitted that he went to the back of the
house somewhere and he just wept.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
He said he had a good cry. God bless him.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But I wouldn't tell anybody that let me take that
one to the grave. Yeah, I would if nobody saw
me doing it. And they couldn't say no, I really no.
I don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes the fan
sounds like someone crying.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Anyway. So a few months after the wedding, Kim gives
birth to their son. And this son's name is Jamie.
And at first there wasn't There was like a time
of peace. It was short lived, but it was even Yeah,
a little short time of peacefulness right after the baby came,
and he's got you know, they're a little high from
having the baby. Maybe this is gonna work. Maybe she
(21:08):
just you know, she has the child, Maybe she's gonna
straighten up, be different.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, because hormones and a after birth are just they
just level right on out.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, they do. STI Stuve's been in the receiving end of.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
End of I don't even know what you're like. What
I don't even remember what you're actually like when you're
not pregnant and hormonal.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Probably this right now, Stuart, Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
This is the best it can as good as it's
gonna get.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
No, because I tried to explain to Stuart that they
say it takes two years for your hormones to level
out after you have a baby. Well, I just kept
getting pregnant and everything, and then I was pumping the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So that's your I was pumping, I guess, Oh.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
My god, Jesus Christ. Okay, moving on, moving on. So
they have this a little bit of time that it's peaceful,
but it didn't last long, and just a few weeks
later they had a major incident. So Brian just decided
he had he'd been having a day, you know, with
old Kim. So he goes and locks himself in a
(22:15):
room just trying to get away from the arguing. And
this is when Kim picks up a hammer threw it
at the wall where it lodged in there.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's not true. What she came kicking the door. She's like,
you get your ass out of the motherfucker. So she
was banging on the door, kicking the door.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
What is this really happening? Just making this up?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Okay, because he was locked in the room, so she
was kicking the door.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
She did.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
He's like, fine, he walks out, and he walks out,
and then she whips the hammer at him.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Oh, I thought she whipped the hammer in the wall
while he was still in there and he came out.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
No, he said, it almost missed his head. Oh, it
did miss his head, almost hit him, whizzed by his
ear or something embedded in the wall.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, And then she told him that not to remove it.
He was going to take the hammer out. She said, no,
don't take it out, as if it was just to
be left there as a warning.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Thinking that's the warning. Yeah, and every time you walk
by that, remember what this bitch is capable of doing.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, and doing all this with like a newborn baby
in now it's just insane. So a few more months
passed and it finally all came to a head when
Kim punched Brian in the face. They were in the car.
She just punches him and he immediately files for divorce
to He's like, okay, I'm at my that was like
the last straw. Okay, she's actually she's punched me. Now, baby, no, baby,
(23:33):
I got to get out of this this thing now.
Brian would now go through a tough custody battle as
the other exes went through, and Kim was just to
the point where she was just harassing Brian at work,
calling him incessantly. He sat up to fifty times a
day she was calling. And then you know, back then
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she's calling and it's going through a yeah, like a raceist.
It's not like he's she's blowing up his iPhone or whatever.
I mean, we don't even have desk phones at work anymore,
Like we don't have those phones. Nobody has those. So
she's actually having a contact receptionist to buzz through to him,
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and so the everyone at work.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Knows it's your wife.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Again, Brian, could you please stop telling your wife to
call from calling the office. Yeah, So it's it's becoming
awkward for him at work and everything, and everybody knows
he's having.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
To deal with this and he's having marital issues.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yes, I'm sure that at that point he had to
tell everybody at works, Hey, this bitch is crazy. I'm
trying to divorce her, but she has my baby.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So and I no, I ain't got no money for
an attorney to fight the custody.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So yeah, well, no, he had, he had money, but
he was. The problem was is that Kim wasn't working
and Brian was paying her rent for her to live in.
About seventy five percent of his paycheck was going to her,
leaving him only a small portion for him to live
in an apartment. Stuff. So he was I don't know
if he wanted to go to the point at that point.
(25:05):
I don't know if he was ready to do the
full you know, cut you off, get a lawyer, because
the problem is she had the baby. You know, that's
in bitches.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Back then, mama always get the mama's Well, she lost custody.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Other one, so no, they don't always get it. But
she had to be pretty fuck up pretty hard to
lose one, especially back then, because I don't feel like
they gave the it's more today they see that there's
two sides of the story. But I feel like there
was a time when it just was always default the mom,
unless the mom was really terrible.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
In nineteen ninety five, the custody battle was finally settled,
Brian and Kim ended up with shared custody. Kim quickly
started using the sun as a way to control Brian,
as bitches will do be like, bitches be doing that. Yeah,
he said that he would go to pick him up.
She wouldn't let him. She'd call him out of the
blues like, hey, you're gonna come get him when it
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wasn't his time. When it was his time, she'd withhold him.
Just basically happen with him. Now. As the years went on,
Brian was concerned for his son's safety because Kimberly was
a ratic and he wasn't sure what he could do.
It's not like he can go without an incident. You
can't just go to the judge and say, how I
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just want to redo custody because it could go either way.
After you spend a shit ton of money.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, and unless he has, you know, it seems like
it does take a lot, even if the child is
saying that something's happening. I don't feel like they take
the kids, you know, because they could be or they
could be one of them could be manipulated by the
other parent and everything that. So he doesn't have any actual.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Dad gives me chocolate after dinner. Mom done.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, so I'm gonna go. Yeah. So they don't know which,
you know, I guess they have to kind of determine
whether the if he would have to go one to
go down that whole route of his son now being
interviewed by like CPS things like that, which is probably
traumatizing in and of itself.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, then there's Kim. So one day Kim decides to
snap and she attacks.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Decides to snap. Well, she made a decision.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And know what was that thing you said the other day?
That was, I don't know what I'm going to do
with this, but I have plans for it.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yes, you think for I made a video about my
Goodwill purchases and I.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Said, I don't know why I bought this ball, but
I have plans for it.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I said, I don't know why I bought this ball.
I'm not sure what I'm doing with it. And then
I turned around and said, but it was a good deal.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But I have plates. No, I don't. I don't know
what my plans are, but they will. They're there, They're
floating in the universe.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Okay, Well, Kim deciding to snap a sarcas.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Oh my god, that this cat just busted up into
this room and scared this shit out of me. I
swear to god, I thought we.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
We're going to be on an episode of a true
crime podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yes, okay, we got to go handle Jinks because he's crying.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yes, So Kim snaps and she attacks the eleven year
old kid. So we've gone eleven years now from the
time that he was like, effet, I'm out of here
to this point in time. Now. What she actually does
is she takes a belt and she slips it over
his neck with the belt through the buckle part and
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just starts pulling on it, choking the kid from behind,
and he's like blacking out and he finally gets away,
tells his dad about it. Brian's like what the hell.
He calls CPS. They have physical evidence. He's got bruising
on his arm, bruising on his necks from where she
attacked him, and the judge finally gives Brian full custody
(28:52):
of his son, but in the infinite wisdom of the judge,
they give Kim unsupervised visitation.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
How is that?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Even I don't understand. This is what I feel like.
This is one of these judges, the way that they're
letting her because remember she lost custody with the previous one.
But this judge seems to be like one of these
that no matter what the mother does, we're just going
to side with the mother. Yeah, because there is no
way in hell they would give a dad unsupervised visitation
(29:22):
if he choked out one of his children. There's no,
absolutely no way.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
No, you're going to get a supervised vegetation at a
facility or somebody's got to be there or something. Yes,
So Brian's worrying for his son every time he had
to drop him off with Kim. In the meantime, in
the interim, Brian somehow has time to meet another woman
and gets remarried again for the third time.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
This is the love of his life, he says, which
I yes, which I think I think you would know, Stu.
I think.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
What next time? No, No, this time is the charm.
Kim just gave up on men altogether. I mean, actually no,
she didn't. She got in another relationship, got her another sucker,
had another child, and then ended up getting divorced or
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on our way to divorce, and in a custody battle
with that fella as well.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I mean, we're on rinse and repeat. At this point,
we're just literally the same story, different chapter, We're not.
She does the same thing, and I can't believe these
guys keep falling for this. I guess she maintains it
under the wraps for but she was crazy with Brian
right off from the beginning, I feel like, and he
just shows.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Him like he was a little excited about it.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I know he was. She must pick a certain type
of guy that's gonna fall for this. You know.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Well, she didn't throw the hammer at their head until
they're already married.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Well, she's already had the baby.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, yeah, she's just got them on lock down with
the rain, got the baby out, and then she chucks
the hand were at him, and it's like, oh shit,
what did I do?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, So Brian is now not the only person that
Kim was trying to make miserable. So she has, you know,
her first ex she has her next ex, and then
now she has her new ex husband and custody battle
to focus on.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
She's got a lot of shit to spread around, a
lot of hatred to spread around. So not everybody's feeling
the full brunt of it.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yes they are still concerned, but they're not feeling it
full force. Now she's going through the custody battle. She
had primary custody of their child, which I can't believe. Again,
why are we not referencing the other situations.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
But maybe the fellow didn't know, or maybe he was
more fucked up than she was.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Somehow I doubt it. So she needed to find a
babysitter for the four year old while she was at work,
because she did go in to school and become a
registered nurse. She actually did go get a job. At
some points, I can't.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Imagine being land in the hospital room and she rolls
in there.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, so a friend mentioned a woman named Walker who
might be able to help. Cherry was a thirty nine
year old woman that was mentally operating at a sixth
grade level, but she was capable of watching, you know,
a child for a short period of time to make
some money.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yes, she actually lived by herself.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, she lived on her own everything, So she was
she she was capable. She just but she did have
she did have to have an aid that would stop
by the house daily. But she was independent and she
was capable of taking care of a child. Now, Kim
quickly took advantage of Cherry because she was, you know, mentally,
you know, operating at that sixth grade level. And so
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she this is like prime picking for all crazy Kim
over here. So she starts leaving with her son with
Cherry for days at a time, not paying her, not
leaving any food. Cherry was on a fixed income, so
she would often have to just not eat so that
the child could eat. Like she was a really nice
lady and she she but she didn't understand the full
(33:00):
capacity of what this woman was was doing. So this
aid is still stopping by at this time, but they
didn't really go into that dynamic. But I'm guessing the
aid she is an independent adult, so I mean, there's
only so much the aid can do. She can come
by and see. But if Cherry says it's okay with
the son, that she leaves the sun with me for
(33:20):
several days and she's okay with it, she's an adult,
and there's only so much I would say.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, So what Kim was doing with the child, dropping
him off and everything like that and leaving him for
days on end got back to the ex husband because
Cherry did eventually stop watching the child, and then the
ex husband found out about it. They're going through this
custody battle. So Cherry is actually subpoenaed to testify about
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Kim's treatment of the child, the dropping him off, not
leaving food, just her general behavior.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Now, how long have you left her? How long was
she leaving the child with you? And blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, so Cherry was like, oh shit, Yeah, she's in
a She's like, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I'm about to get about it's the third child.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, which I don't understand. She doesn't, but I do
understand though she doesn't care about these children. She cares
about the power that these children hold over these men,
is what she cared. She could care less about the kids, obviously,
not care less. Could not care less, you know, stud.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Say, child support and the power.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yes, I think she mainly she really enjoys she gets
off on that power trip that she gets.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I'm sure she wanted the cash too.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
On June eighteenth, twenty ten, I may sixty days before
Karen Stuart met Kim twenty ten for the History Books,
Kim began frantically calling Cherry and she called her seventy
times in one day. She is also frantically calling Brian
and he let it go to boysmail. She left a
message asking if he had been subpoena and what he
(34:54):
was going to say. Now. Brian didn't think much of this,
and he went about his weekend like whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, because he was actually in the car with his
you know, new wife, and they were headed off for
a weekend together. So he's like, I cannot I cannot
deal it.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I love making, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I cannot deal with this crazy right now. Center to voicemail.
I'm not today, Satan you know.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, that'd be terrible. He'd be talking her on the phone.
Drive off the road, die because your ex wife is
calling you. You know what I'm saying, No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Can you relate?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
No? I cannot Okay, I did not die. On June nineteenth,
a pizza delivery guy came upon a body on the
side of the road in White House, Texas. Police arrive
at the scene and find a badly charred body. They
assess the crime scene and see that there is an
unburned coffee creamer on the ground by the body, one
of the little ones you get at the gas station
or at the hotel or whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, oh yeah, I used to drink the little creamers
at the luby. We used to go to Luby's for
Sunday or whatever, and they used to have those creamers.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You'd drink the half and half right out of the
little content. Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I used to drink those things. Yep, that was my fate. Yes, Stuart,
I still remember doing that, and it was they were
so good. That's wrong with me? It might be I
don't know. Maybe, well, because I'm an adult, I'm like,
maybe I shouldn't drink half and half creamers, you know,
at a table at a restaurant. That's inappropriate. Maybe I should,
But I can get the kids to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Stop it. The body was unidentifiable due to the state
of the victim. They put out information to the public
to see if they can find out who this might be.
If there's anybody who's got somebody missing, they ain't seeing
it in a while. They can't find them Meanwhile, a
pastor and his wife Gethrie and run Walker had contacted
(36:46):
police because they had not heard from their daughter in
more than twenty four hours, Cherry or They're saying that
their daughter is normally in contact with them multiple times
a day. Police tell them about a body that was found.
They're in the worst. They head to the police station
and through dental records, they discover that it was their daughter, Cherry.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Now, while this is going on, Brian is contacted by
Kim's mother.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Even Kim's mother no bitch is crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, telling him that she believes that Kim may have
had something to do with Cherry and is worried for
Brian and Jamie's safety. They decided to go into hiding
until they can find the police, can find Kim and everything,
because this could be an escalation. She's just gone off
the rails, you know when they could be next.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yes, they're in the show. Yeah, Brian says this. He's like, yeah,
me and Jamie had to go on hiding for her safety.
He didn't mention the new wife things like, I mean
she had to bring her with her too.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, well, I don't know. She seems to really just
focus on the men and the children. I don't she
doesn't seem to have any crazy behavior whenever they move on.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Well, I don't know. If they can't find them, maybe
I'll just get her.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Well anyways, well she might he might have went with them.
She might have went. Maybe she was I don't know
mention it.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
So I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, we did note that that they didn't say that
the whole family went into hiding, just Brian and Jamie.
So please go to Cherry's apartment and they find messages
on her answering machine from a woman that sounded a
bit frantic. They play the voicemail for the AID and
she immediately identifies the voice as coming from Kim. Now,
(38:22):
the AID was worried for Cherry. She had confided in
her that Kim was upset about the subpoena because the
AID stops by every day, so she'd stop by that day.
Cherry's talking to her about it, and Cherry told the
AID that Kim wanted to take her to dinner that night. Well,
they say it's like, hey, Cherry, don't just stay away
from this woman. Lock your door, don't go to dinner,
(38:44):
don't talk to her, and that I'll see you in
the morning and we'll we can go we'll talk this
out and everything at that, but just just lock your
door and don't go anywhere with Kim.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So this is all the aide's fault. The aide should
have called her parents and like, hey, this crazy bitch
is calling your daughter. She wants to take it.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I don't know if they called the parents, though.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
They know the aid did not call the parents or
would have came over. They would have came over. So
this AA should have called the parent.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
She should have been a little more proactive. Yes, proactive,
and maybe maybe she felt it was inappropriate, but she
should have just called the parents been saying, hey, there's
an issue with this crazy Kim lady.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
M hmm.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah. So that ends up being the aid was actually
the last person besides the person who did it. Cherry Alive.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Police call to Kim's house and she refuses to speak
them to them without a lawyer present, and she will
not let them search the home without a warrant. They leave.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
But the good decision Kim, though, just saying is don't
let police just come in your house start looking for shit.
You better come even me if I was you need
to have a search warrant. I ain't gonna let you
just stop through my house. Have you seen after the
search warrants? Now they tear up your house and they don't.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Put anything, just yank drawers out, dump on flipping. No,
I don't give two shoes.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
You're not coming in and destroying my house. You better
have a judge sign off on that exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
And no, I'm not going to do a light detector test.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
No, definitely don't do a light detector test.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Police leave, but they keep an eye on Kim while
they work to get the search warrant signed. Kim leaves
her house because she's frantic. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I don't even think they had to keep much of
an eye on her. I think they were literally sparked
down the block trying to call the judge to get
the search warm in.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
This bitch, this sting dong. She just like leaves the house.
She's frantically driving. She runs a stop sign, so now
she's given them probable cause to pull her over, which
they do, and they see one of those exact coffee
creamers that was found at the crime scene on the
floorboard in her car. With probable cause, they seize her car.
(40:55):
They take it in to be processed. With a search
warrant in hand. They had to cat house when they
enter the home, it's disgusting. There's food everywhere. This isn't
like messy people. This isn't like dirty laundry.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
This is like hoarders.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, this is she's horders. Like she's not horder, but
maybe the beginning of a horder. This has got just
empty food containers and plates and just grosser.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Trash, just everything all over. Just the bed she was
sleeping in was just trashed in the.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Mad months since the sheets have been washed. It's ever
laundry is completely piled up in the laundry room.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, it's and she had a four year old son
like living there with her in this filth.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yes, So this house is disgusting. Everything is just like
you don't want to touch it unless you got gloves on.
But there is one item in the washing machine.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
And I haven't done a laundry in a year, but
there's one item.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
There's a Yes, there's a sheet. They take it in
for processing. Other items they were able to cut to
cut connect to the crime scene where tire marks on
the dirt road that match those on Kim's car. They
were identical, identical, the coffee Cramer little capsule, and the
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fact that she had picked up Cherry for dinner the
night before yeap. So all these things lead them to
believe that she did this. Kim is their primary suspect.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah. So on July thirty first, twenty ten, Kim was
charged with capital murder and they were going after the
death penalties.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Do because that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
This was just terrible. This is the woman that was
that was okay uh, This was a woman that had,
you know, mentally disabled things like that, and she's taken
advantage of her and then on top of it, kills
her to try to protect herself. They believe that Kim.
This is what they've had to surmise from because again
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the body was burned very badly to where it was
hard to get any type.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yes, there was an accelerant use then, so all the
physical evidence on the body was destroyed.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
And the manner of death and everything. So they believe
that Kim strangled Cherry, wrapped her in that sheet that
she had in the washing machine, then dragged her to
her car and drove her out to dispose of and
then burned the body to cover it up now. During
the trial, Kim argued this was their the defense's argument. Yes,
Kim argued that Cherriot had a seizure while she was
(43:29):
driving to dinner with her and she couldn't save her.
She had a seizure, couldn't save her. Keep in mind,
Kim is a nurse, So I mean, yeah, So this
is what where we're going to go with is that
she was afraid she was going to be accused of
the murder, so she tried to well accused of that
she died under her watch and that Kim was going
(43:51):
to be blamed for it. So but if she had
a seizure, then you could if this were in fact
trick and passed away from that. So it's all bullshit.
I can't believe it. Defense attorney even.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Was like, we're hi, Kim, there's a bunch of I'm
still I can't Yeah, I can't believe some of the
defenses attorneys use.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Defenses attorneys use yes, yeah, defense attorneys, defenses attorneys use yes. Yes.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I got what she said because it sounded like defense
attorneys use yes.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Anyways, Yes, it sounded like that, and then I was
repeating it back to hear it in my head and anyways,
but yes, this is what this is the best they
could do. All the evidence was pointing to her, this
is the best they could come up with. Well, it
did not work. They the jury did not buy it,
and on May twenty twelve, she was found guilty and
(44:49):
the jury did recommend the death penalty. Now currently though
Kim is still sitting on death row, she's I mean
that's been We're thirteen years almost. That's just freaking just
do it already.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Okay, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, get all sparky
fired up, let's go.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Well, I think it's lethal injection at this point.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
That's a good thing. I'm not in charge of the
death penalty stuff because everybody knows this. Listeners for a while.
I'm all about it.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yes, you're all about it.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
We know. And if we can get the chair going
or the fire and squad. They got the fire and
squad up in Utah.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Anyways, this is just this was a kind of a
kookie story with Brian and Kim and everything like that.
But it's just we weren't sure. Whenever you start the episode,
you're not sure where it's going to go. And I
was like, oh my God, is she going to kill
the like where I was afraid she's going to kill
like the child or something. Yeah, but it's just I mean,
she's just a terrible person.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Of all the people that she did, they always kill
somebody in these things? Are they? Sometimes they're just crazy.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
And I think they always kill somebody? Yeah? Uh no,
sometimes it's not. One of the ones was the lady
found out her husband was like this a rapist that's
been large for you know, years that they've been trying
to find she found out that's who.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Oh yeah, we were watching that one on the guy
trying to hang his wife to get rid of her,
but he failed.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I remember that he felt. Anyways, my point was is
that of all the people that Kim's gone through her
whole entire life just being a terrible person, just terrible mother,
all these ex husbands and everything, and this poor lady
is the one that ultimately she's already seen me.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
I mean, I don't know what access she asked to
other presidents in gin pop and where she's at if
she does, Oh.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
She's running a she's running a block. I can tell
you that she's.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Hey, girl, let me get your commissary. Yeah, I'll give
you a little something, give me some commissary.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah. So anyways, all right, well that's our episode for
this week. STU, do you have a y'all need Jesus?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
I always have a y'all need Jesus.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
He doesn't actually have one now, but we're going to
go find one.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
I got it, you have it, I got it.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Okay, whip it out, Jesus. What's wrong with you? Oh
my god? Okay, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Woman accused of attacking man with a gardening tool after
he canceled plans with her. According to police, was it
a hoe? It might have been. You were just I
saw you jump up when I said gardening. Told you're like, oh,
this is my shot. This Florida or not Florida, Not Florida,
(47:33):
Florida woman oh Man Coming to us from Fox News
by Elizabeth Pritchett, published February seventeenth, A Florida woman is
behind bars after she allegedly attacked a man with a
garden hoe. Oh it was a ho for canceling. Ho
with a hoe for canceling plans? Whether the Polk County
(47:55):
Sheriff's office said Melanie Davis, aged forty seven, girl, your
tool for the show. Had plans to hang out with
a man last week when he canceled on her, according
to Fox thirteen Tampa Bay. Upset by his decision, Davis
allegedly went to his home in Frostproof Frostproof, Florida at
(48:17):
around three am on a Tuesday night and began yelling
at him from outside.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Girl, you were too old to be shouting at people
on a Tuesday night at three am.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
This isn't even It would have been better at least
it was a Saturday or Friday. Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, just a random Tuesday. The alteredication escalated when Davis
climbed the fence to his property, pushed through a door,
and began punching him. Investigator said, this girl is serious.
At some point she grabbed the gardening tool and hit
him with it, which caused a serious cut on his arm.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
She grabbed the hoe, which was the house.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
The man was taken to the hospital while Davis was
taken to jail. She has charged with arm burglary with battery,
aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, simple battery, and criminal mischief.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
And hoe and around.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Davis has a long history with the Polk County Sheriff's office,
dating back to nineteen ninety seven, when she was first
charged with battery at age nineteen years old.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Well, she just needs to be put away. We don't
not need this terroristic.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Anger management class, or she needs a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Or something, or an exorcism.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Jail record show she has been arrested in Polk County
twenty seven times prior to last week's incident. Her previous
charges ranged from petty theft to battery causing serious injury.
The last time she was booked into Polk County jail
was in March twenty twenty four, when she was charged
with domestic pop isolence on a person over the age
(49:51):
of sixty five.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Oh, there's extra charges for the elderly.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Well, she got out because that was March last year.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
This is ridiculous because at some point she's gonna escalate
it up to where she kills somebody. You know. It's
like that Kim lady we just talked about. It's gonna
she's gonna do it at some point. They need to
stop letting her out. They got all these people on
like petty petty, like drug charges and stuff sitting in there.
I'm worried about this crazy bitch.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah, it's like twenty seven times domestic abuse and all
this other stuff. It's like the person I got for
their Yeah, we arrested him for a six d UI.
It's like, why is this motherfucker stop driving?
Speaker 1 (50:26):
These people need to be in jail, not to not
to because you had some some drugs, you know. Not
worried about you. I'm worried about the d w I
guy and crazy yeah or not? What her name wasn't Kim.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Melanie and Kim?
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yes? All right, well that is our episode for the week.
And yeah, check all the stuff I said at the
beginning and rate review, subscribe. I'm getting tired. I'm fading quickly, guys,
I'm fading. I gotta go to bed.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah you did?
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah, Stuart? What no go to sleep? Anyways?
Speaker 2 (51:03):
All right?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Well yeah yeah, yeah, alright, well shoot, what do we say?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
All right?
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Anything else you'd like to say? Stoo?
Speaker 2 (51:11):
I would not?
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Okay, all right, bye, everyone say bye.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
To Don't you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shots
bucknapping else it's working and it's pretty learning, Adam sick.
It's worthy.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
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