139. [North Carolina] A Deadly American Marriage

This week we are discussing the latest true crime documentary from Netflix, A Deadly American Marriage. When Jason Corbett meets Molly, what starts as a dream life quickly turns into a nightmare when Jason is bludgeoned to death and Molly is claiming self-defense.


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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey, everyone, welcome to bless This Messa, the drue Grund Podcast.
I don't care here do says do? All?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Right?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
This week we are going to North Carolina. We actually
watched the Netflix documentary A Deadly American Marriage and so
it happens in the South. I was like, what the hell,
why not? Why not Stu? Why not live in Levita Loca.
So that's what we're going to cover. So if you
haven't seen it, check it out. It's pretty good. It's
I don't think it's my favorite. I mean, if I'm

(00:47):
gonna rate murder shows on Netflix, it's not my favorite documentary.
But it was still interesting. I would say. We did
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(01:33):
to listen to the podcast. All right, so let's get
into this week's case. On August second, two thousand and five,
a nine one one call comes in from Tom Martin's
and he's saying that he needs help. He's telling the
nine one one operator that his daughter's husband.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Not his son in law, not his son.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
There's a little bit of love lost here. Yes, you'll see,
got into a fight with her and he and so
Tom goes in. The father comes in and intervenes and
hit him in the head with a baseball bat and
he couldn't tell. They say, is he breathing and everything?
And he said he can't tell. So police head to
the home of Jason and Molly Corbett in Meadowlands, North Carolina. Now,

(02:16):
upon entering the home, the master bedroom was a complete mess.
There was blood everywhere on the walls, the carpet, everywhere.
I mean, it was a very bloody scene.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
It was pretty graphic.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, I mean the people. Yeah. And the police officer said,
this is one of the worst scenes she's ever encountered.
So they take Mollie and Tom to the police station
and they interview them on what you know, what happened. Well,
Mollie tells police that she woke up to take care

(02:49):
of their daughter who had had a nightmare. Well, with
the daughter waking up, crying and everything in her, she
woke up to go help her. This woke up Jason,
and he became angry and began choking her. So that
escalated real fast.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yes, supposedly he woke me up to pay for it.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, woke me up over our daughter having a nightmare
or whatever, and then all of a sudden, he's just
like decided he's gonna start choking her and get into it. Well, Tom,
the father in law, he says that he heard a
thumping above him because they were down in the I
guess it was like a converted basement. So when he
hears all this, he grabs a baseball bat and he

(03:30):
heads up the stairs because he's gonna go check it
out and see what's going on. Well, he he notices
the noises are coming from the bedroom, so he walks
into the bedroom and he sees Jason choking Mollie. So
he takes the bat and he hits him with the
baseball bat.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I mean, who wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, somehow, Jason, this is them telling the story. So
somehow Jason is able to get the bat. So Mollie says,
she picked up a brick that was on her nightstand,
and we will talk about how the brick got there,
because again, that's an odd thing to happen. Yeah, like
a big brick, like a gardening brick, one of those big,
ugly gray ones that you put, you know, around your mailbox,

(04:10):
like a border for a flower garden or something. So
it's on her nightstand. So she just casually picks this
up and she begins hitting him, and she says she's
not sure how many times she hit him or anything
like that. She just says, you know, she's crying and
she just said that she hit him. Well, they show
us a picture of the brick, and the brick is
completely covered in blood and like you can see black

(04:34):
hairs on it from his I mean, it's pretty disturbing.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
The bricky.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
This wasn't like a This wasn't to hit him one
time to get him off of her or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
This was repeated bludgeoning. Yeah, and tells pieces of a
scalp and hair came on.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Well, we'll talk about that later, but yeah, Tom Tom
was able to get the bat and hit Jason again.
So sometime somehow on all this, you know, Molly hitting
him in the head, the he's able to get that
bat back hit him. And then he also stated that
Jason shoved him, but he didn't know how many times
or anything. Because this was all very confusing, There's a

(05:11):
lot going on, so detectives instantly see an issue with
their story. They were just in a major fight where
Jason has these horrific injuries all over his body, head,
just beaten in. Yet these two have no bruises nothing.
I mean, they don't even have when you see the
pictures of them when they're staying there doing their photos,

(05:32):
there's no nobody. It doesn't look like where anybody grabbed anybody.
There's no marks on her neck where she said she
was being choked. There's a little bit of blood on
the dad's the father in law's.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Shirt got he's got a little bit of blood in
a bunch of different places on that.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
No, but it was just spots. It wasn't It wasn't
like wrestling around with someone who's trying to tag I mean,
they did have any injuries, so nothing was really adding
up to police. So they're starting to question their story.
You know, is who's the real victim. Is it Jason
who is severely beaten, or is it Mollie who looks
like nothing's really happened to her. So they do tell

(06:15):
Mollie that Jason did not survive and ask if she
would like to call someone from Jason's family. So she
says she is scared to call them because they may
try to take the children as they are not biologically hers. Well,
detectives they say, well, did you adopt the It's like
a female detective interviewing her and she's like, well, did
you adopt the children? And she says no, and tell

(06:38):
and so the detective's like, well, it's a real possibility
that they will get the children. And this is when
Mollie just breaks down. I mean, her husband's dead, but
when she found out she might they might actually take
the children from her. This is when she.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
She lost it, Not when her husband died.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
No, whenever they told her that. It's so you could
see where her concerned.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Back in Ireland, Jason's family received the phone call telling
them that Jason was dead.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
And yes, it is back in Ireland, because we are
just following the documentary as it walks through, so we
are going to learn that Jason Isrime Ireland.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yes, they were told that Molly and Jason had gotten
into a fight and that Jason had been hit in
the head. Tracy, who is Jason's sister, immediately is concerned
about the children, whose names are Jack and Sarah.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yes, and Tracy and her husband did have They showed
like a will giving guardianship of I can't remember said
a child or one of the children, but it's when
they were an infant, so I'm assuming it was back
when they were in Ireland. Whenever one of the children
was a baby. This was granting guardian ships. So they
grab this piece of paper because they're like, maybe we
can use this to be able to be able to

(07:55):
take the children.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, they immediately hop on the next plane and they
head to North Carolina. Meanwhile, police continue to interrogate Tom.
But Tom was a former FBI agent who used to
train other agents on interrogation techniques, So this presents a
challenge for detectives that are trying to get the truth
out of Tom. It was clear that Tom was experienced

(08:20):
and he was trying to control the interview. He was
trying to lead the detectives in the questioning where he
wanted to go, not where they wanted to go.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, he'd say things like, so do you want me
to tell you about this? So you want me to
tell you about this? And not?

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Actually, I think the best thing, well we can do
is I can launch into it here, if we just
if I launch into the story, then I think that
would be best. And yeah, so he took Tom.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
I'm just going to tell you that Tom is like,
I just hate him so much.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Police pressed Tom on Molly's involvement, and he keeps skirting
around the issue and he never admits to seeing Molly
strike Jason. During the interview, they find out that Molly's mother,
shared was also in the house during this fight. When
getting her statement, she says that they heard a thumping
noise and Molly, her daughter, was screaming. She said her

(09:11):
husband went up to check on it, and she just
went back to sleep.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Which is really, really, just really strange. If I heard someone,
anybody screaming in my house and'd be like, oh my god,
you know, sheer panic. We'd all be running in to
see what's going on, and this bitch just rolls over
and be like, Eh, Tom's got it, It's fine.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Allegedly, Yes, police are having a hard time believing that
she could sleep through this altercation, which was very violent,
very loud, and that she would just go back to
sleep knowing her daughter was screaming and with her grandchildren,
supposed grandchildren in the home, even though they weren't biological
to her.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, and yeah, so it's just very odd to police
that she would just not even go be with the
grandchildren if she hears her daughter screaming. I mean, there
could have been an truder in the home or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, you'd want to run check on the children, make
sure they're safe.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, make sure they're okay, make sure they're not upset.
But no, Grandma Sharon just going back to sleep. Now.
On top of the suspicious behavior of Molly, Tom and Sharon,
they also had this nine on one call where they
said they were performing CPR, but it didn't sound like it.
They were counting. Everybody was super calm, and you know,

(10:26):
if you've ever taken a CPR class, it's a lot
of work to do actual CPR. You're out of breath
doing it because you've got to keep the counts, you know,
the stain alive song, and then you have to really
push on the chest because you actually break the chest.
You can break those those chest bones whenever you're doing CPR,

(10:46):
because you're supposed to really push and everything, so you
should be somewhat out of breath or not be able
to talk while you're doing it, and they're just they're
just over there counting one, two three four. That's so
they're counting like we can out with our daughter at night,
like one, two three four. So it's just very strange behavior.

(11:08):
So the first responders also noted that the body felt
kind of cool to the touch, and they actually questioned themselves.
They said, like, when did they call nine one one,
because he should still be warm if this all just
happened and you immediately call nine one one. So of
course this is all circumstantial. However, it does make the

(11:29):
police question even more what really happened in this home.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Immediately after Jason dies, Mollie files for guardianship of the children,
and so the children were placed with Molly and her
family because the killer. We'll get into it, but the
children did call her mom and things like that. They
did have, I mean, she was seen as their their
mother at the time, but she had not adopted them.
So Jason's sister tries to at least contact the children.

(11:55):
She said she just wanted to talk to him on
the phone or maybe come by and see him, because
they've just had this tragic thing happened where their dad's dead,
you know, has died, and so she just wants to
be in contact with the children and just make sure
they're okay and talk to them. And the Martins completely
deny them access to the children, won't let him talk
to him nothing. So on top of not being able

(12:17):
to see the children, Mollie has also prohibited anyone from
seeing Jason's body. So they could they went to the
I guess the Morgue or wherever, and they wanted to just.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I think they went to the funeral home where Bobby
was being prepared because I don't know if they can
stop them at the morgue.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Well, no, this was this was immediately after, so it's
at the morgue.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, she can, she can say, I don't want him,
but yeah, yeah, not even family.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, he's thought the mortg they got to do an
autopsy and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
I thought they had already done it and he was.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
It takes time to do the autopsy No, he wasn't
at the funeral home. She was pushing to get him cremated.
She didn't want him to she wanted him to get cremated.
So they can't even get access to see his body
or anything, because this was immediately after This wasn't I mean,
it takes a while to get to the funeral home.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I feel like, no, I guess if they didn't expedite though.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, he died under very suspicious circumstances.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I don't know if the same day or three days later.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
If you're a if you're a medical examiner listening, please
let us know. It wasn't several days later. It was
right after they got there, all right, So the autopsy
results they come back, and he had abrasions under his eye,
on his shoulders, and then he The big thing was
he had so many blows to his head. The medical

(13:39):
examiner said they couldn't even he couldn't even count them.
It was impossible.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yes, overlapping.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, And actually when they laid Jason on the table
to do the autopsy, a giant chunk of his skull
actually fell off from him being beaten. Somebody, it's just detached.
I mean, we say this was a bloody scene. This
was bad. So that's why they're saying that the injuries
that Jason received and had were nowhere in comparison to

(14:05):
what if you have to beat someone that much, then
you should be almost looking like death.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
You should have some inuries at least you would think.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
If you had to fight off this guy so much
that you had to beat him that bad to where
his skull is falling off. So with the family, they
were able to go through the legal system and were
finally able to see Jason, and they were just absolutely
horrified to what had happened to him. Okay, everyone, I
just realized, I'm like, looking at my paper, I said,

(14:36):
two thousand and August second, two thousand and five. I'm like,
I'm just thinking back this, this isn't right. What happened.
It's twenty fifteen. I actually put a zero instead of
a one.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Did you.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, so this happened in twenty fifteen, So just wanted
to clear that up, you know. So it's probably somebody's
already probably listened to me, like these fuckers don't know what.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
They're when they already turned one star.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
They said he died and two thousand and five. It
was twenty fifteen, you.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Know what they're talking about. Yeah, getting back to our story,
Jack who is ten, and Sarah who was eight at
the time, they're brought in to tell police what happened.
They go through the story that night and it's almost
verbate and what Molly and Tom told the police.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
So yeah, really, and the kids didn't see The kids
weren't in the room, like watching this happen or anything
like that. So for them to tell the story about
him choking Molly like they had they got that information
from Molly Tom.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, because they didn't see it.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, they didn't see that.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
They were asked if their dad would get angry, and
they both said that yes he would, and that he
would yell at their mother. They both said that they
saw him hit their mom once or twice, and Jack
said that he physically and verbally abused.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
As as mother and he kind of stumbled over whenever
he said this. Jack, the ten year old, he said
he said it and then he kind of stumbled over.
Fihysical and verbally abused and everything like it was. It
felt very rehearsed.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yes it did. Police are taking into account what the
children said, but they also did think that it seemed
a little coached, a little rehearsed, and some of the
words they were using were not something that kids their
age would use, like, yes, my dad physically and verbally
abused my mother.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, that's that's not a normal thing.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Especially Yeah, you would say that he hit and yelled at,
physically and verbally abused. The children also stated that a
lot of what they were saying was told to them
by their mother. So this is why the police are
thinking that it's a little more coached up than what

(16:49):
what the mother Molly is letting on to.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Okay, I didn't know where you're going with that.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, I didn't know where I was going either. You
lost your ye I thought I was going to stick
the land in, but I.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
And I was just gonna let you sink.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I know, I saw you and you're like sitting over
there laughing at me like.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I was. I was just like, I'm just gonna let
him just anyways, we're just gonna get back on tracks, too,
are we track? We're on track tonight because it's late
and I need to go to bed because I have
work in the morning. So please speak to Jason's family
and friends and Tom because because Tom made some statements
while he was in his interview, just kind of weird things,

(17:34):
and I didn't really like how Netflix did this told Jason.
But Tom said that he was a train boxer and
an MMA fighter, just casually mentions this, and so the
family says, this is absolutely ridiculous and he was never
professionally trained to fight. But the thing that was was Netflix.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, Tom said this about Jason.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, that's what I said.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, you made it sound like Tom said that he.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Was Oh, Tom said this about Jason or whatever, and
the fan was like, this ridiculous. Well, as they're saying,
as the voice over them saying this ridiculous, Netflix is
gonna show some pictures of old Jason looking kind.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Of ferry, I was like this, you wrong.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Netflix probably got his most unflattering photos and like displayed
them like he's not a boxer an MMA fighter. So
they say Jason was just a really nice person and
fun to be around. They talk a little bit about
his past. So Jason was originally married to Mags and
they had Jack and Sarah. These are all great names, Mags, Jack, Sarah.

(18:36):
I like it all, you know. I like Ja, I
love the name Jack. I think it's just a good,
solid name. And he was just so happy being a
dad and just really loved his kids. Now, his life
was going great until one night Maggs had an asthma
attack and she passed away, leaving Jason as a single
dad to an eighteen month old in a three and

(18:58):
a half year old. Now, Jason was working full time,
so he decided the best route for his family was
an O pair. Now this is where miss Golly, Miss
Molly enters the scene, and I had to rewind because
I thought, oh this. I was like, wow, he married
the O Pair. But it sounds h Mollie was in

(19:20):
her twenties and Jason was young. He was in his
late twenties, so it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Like a weird situation for five years old.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah. Yeah, I always think of O pears as being,
you know, eighteen nineteen year old girls, but Molly was
in her in her twenties when she when she met him.
So Mollie the way she she kind of talks. So
we do see Molly on the documentary. She's she's there
speaking of piece. So is Tom, who I hate. So
Mollie tells us about how she kind of got into

(19:48):
the o pair business. She had been in a relationship.
I can't remember she said she'd been married or not,
but she suffered a miscarriage. And I'm gonna tell you
right now. Everyone take everything she says with a grain
of salt because we do not know.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yes, we did not trust anything. Molly's us.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, she's an unreliable narrator, as they would say. So
she says that she suffered a miscarriage and after that
the relationship ended and she just wanted to get her
mind off things. She thought it would be fun to
travel see the world, and she just loved children and
wanted to be a mom so bad. So she's like,
you know what, I'm going to go be a a pair.
It's I can go travel and then still get to

(20:24):
hang out with with kids and everything like that. So
she comes across Jason's listing he had I guess he did.
I think he sent her, you know, his information everything,
and she so she's filtering through the different options she
has and she sees that Jason's a widow, and she
just felt really bad for these two small children without

(20:47):
a mom because they're only eighteen months and three and
a half, I mean eighteen months is like, we have
a fifteen month old. They're still practically.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
A baby, you know, Yes, they are babies.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
We call her the baby. Yeah, well she's technically I
think after a year they're considered toddlers.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's still a baby.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
But she's a baby. Like they look like baby, they're
still babies when they're fifteen eighteen months old. I don't
feel like they're toddler's till they turn two. In my opinion,
that's when they're like they like go into toddler toddlerhood.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
When they start going and they're terrible twos, then yes,
yes they're no longer babies. They're terrorists.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
They're no little sweet little babies. They have opinions and attitudes.
So yeah, so she just felt felt really sorry for
these children. So Jason and Molly, So Molly head's over.
She's living in Ireland, and they actually hit it off
really fast and they become a couple lovers. Yes, Stuart,

(21:44):
why do you got to make it creepy?

Speaker 2 (21:47):
That didn't become lowers?

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I know, but what do you have to say it
like that? It's so creepy. So Jason was very happy
with Molly, but he was nervous about moving too fast
out of concerns for Jack and Sarah. So this was
even all documented within They emailed each other a lot,
which I think is so weird. I mean, it was
two thousand. I guess this was. This happened in twenty

(22:09):
fifteen and they were together for seven years, so this
was like two thousand and eight. I guess she did
email more back then rather than text. Yeah, so they
emailed a lot, and I guess you probably didn't think about, like,
you know, like uh Sonya Morgan says, uh say it,
forget it, text it, regret it. That's her, that's her

(22:30):
saying that stuck with me, And they didn't really I'm
sure they weren't really thinking that once you put it
in an email and put it in writing, it's there forever.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
So as long as you don't delete them.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, well no, even if you delete them, they can
recover them though.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
I mean after that many years, though, I don't.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Know, Google's probably got everything you've ever done, y'all who's
probably holding on to it, and they have zero security
at this point, so they just everything you've ever done
is just loose out there in the world.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Get spam from.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, I know, y'all, who's useless is any I don't
even know if it is anybody even running the company anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
They just.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
AI's running it. So yeah, so he all this was
documenting an email. So Jason's writing to Molly saying, you know,
I just have these concerns. I don't want anything else
to happen. I don't want us to, you know, move
too fast and then split up and then traumatize the
children again.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, they'll be like, oh, we got a new mom
and now.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
She's Yeah, well, Mollie wasn't having this, and she said
she wasn't hanging around. So she kind of makes an
ultimatum and soon they so Jason gives in. Soon they're engaged,
and the kids actually started calling her mom. And from
what I understood, well, again we have just Molly's perspective,
but it seemed like a natural progression to calling her mom.

(23:45):
It wasn't forced, It didn't seem or anything like that.
They the kids really did like her a lot.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I meanly children that young. I wouldn't think it
was forced unless she was like, I'm mommy when he
was at work or something.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, she might have been. We don't know. We can't
trust his bitch, So they moved. They ended up moving
to Meadowlands, North Carolina, from Ireland. And this was a
decision based on how they wanted to raise the children
where they wanted to raise them. Jason was also a businessman,
so this was probably I'm sure there were some things
factored in there as well. So we hear about their

(24:18):
life in America, and we do see the kids. So
Jack and Sarah are interviewed there are interviewed quite a
bit in this documentary, so they kind of talk about
how they loved living there. They you know, they come
into this beautiful I mean, they moved to North Carolina,
in this little meadowlands. I'm sure it's wonderful. I'm sure
it's got meadows or something. And yeah, so imagine moving

(24:40):
to a southern city, that's all. And you got money,
so you moved there and they've got these they you know,
the kids said it looked like a mansion. It was
a big house.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
It looked from whatever they were coming from. I'm guessing
it was.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Well, European houses are usually small, I mean they're smaller
unless I guess, unless you have like a ton of
money and living been like a manner's like that. But
you know, over here, we got our mc mansions over here.
I'm sure it was like a mc mansion in a
really nice, nice neighborhood. So they're they're really loving this
new American lifestyle. They're adjusting really well. And so right

(25:15):
after getting to America, Mollie and Jason do marry. And
this is where we start kind of seeing a little
a few flaws with Mollie, because up until this point,
Mollie is wonderful. I mean, you imagine old pair coming
in just loving your children. This like fairy tale, you know,
meets the husband the start. Okay, Stuart, why are you

(25:36):
gonna make it what that way?

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Okay, fairy tale.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
That's your fairy tale. Uh So at the wedding, they
find out that Mollie has been fabricating.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Some stories, some details.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Some details drink about Jason's there, you know, Molly and
Jason's life together. So she is telling her friends that
she was actually the godmother to the children and she
was friends with Mags and after her death she stepped
in and then Jason and her fell in love, like
this is what she one of her maids of honor whatever,

(26:16):
like a good friend of hers, this is the story
that she's been telling, and the family finds out about
that she's been telling the story at the.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Way, Yes, Jason's family hears.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
About that because the the you know, the friend is like, wow,
this is such a beautiful love story that this happened
and everything. I mean, it's not a bad story being
the old pair, but I guess it sounds more magical
if you were the godmother and it's and everything like that.
But my question is why did the friend? How good
of friends were these If you think that you're friends
with some lady in Ireland and you're the godmother to

(26:45):
their children?

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, what what does your friend?

Speaker 1 (26:48):
How do your friends not know?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
How did you explain it to them? How you became
friends with these people?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I guess yeah, maybe.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
And why you were in Ireland? And yeah, I guess
she was lying about. See the documentary didn't get into
like all the lies the friends. What did she tell
these friends? Yeah, about how she went to Ireland, why
she was the godmother, how well she knew this.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
They didn't have that much time to dig into those
I guess to tell us all about that what the
friends thought she was doing in Ireland? And why she'd
be the godmother and why you'd believe. Like one of
my friends for a long time came to me and like,
oh yeah, I'm being like, I've never heard you. This
is out of nowhere. I've never heard you talk about
being friends, really good friends with a best friend in Ireland.

(27:30):
Never heard, never came up in all these years, you know.
So yeah, so this is a little bit of a
weird situation for Jason's family to hear about in not
really understanding what's going.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
I said, the entire American contingent thought this story was
the actual cute meet cute or whatever you call that
meet cute.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I've seen some of your shows that you put on
at Christmas time.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
I didn't know they were called that. There's a whole genre.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well, I've watched shows that make fun of her.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
That makes more sense. Okay, So she's also so on
top of this story, she's also making up stories about
her sister that died of cancer, which was not true because.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Did not die of cancer, because she does does not.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Exist, doesn't have a she has one I looked up.
She has one brother. She does not have a sister,
did not have a sister that died of cancer. She
was also telling people that there was a time where
she came into a group they were doing something and
she just casually mentions that she gave birth to Sarah.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
A daughter book club in the neighborhood, some kind of club.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
And comes in with this story how she gave birth
to Sarah and it's which is a complete lie in everything.
So there's just a lot of life.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, she was I don't know if somebody in the
group was pregnant having a baby and she lost to
this story about how when she has her Yeah, but
there's other people in the group that are like, you,
we know that that's not.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Your kid, but I don't think they said anything to her.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, but they were so awkward. Yeah it was awkward.
But I would like to hear from those people too. Yeah,
where was the people in the documentary evidently know that
there was people there that were like, no, that's not
even true.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, we did. We did hear a lot from Mollie,
and I felt like they let her run her mouth
a little too much in the documentary. So yeah, so
this is what we're saying, taate. So after we watched it,
we're like, did she we were discussing it. We're like,
did she even have a miscarriage? Did she did any
of this happen that led her up to this? Like
what what is going on with this with this girl?

(29:45):
So it's all just a lot of lies and everything's
just just kind of weird for them. For Jason's family.
With Mollie, it started off like a positive thing. This
lady came in, is being mom to these kids, and
now it's getting a little strange. Now. There was also
a lot of they talk about the back and forth
on Molly adopting the children, like we said, originally she

(30:07):
did not. She told the police officer, I did I
haven't adopted these children. Now, Mollie says that Jason was
telling her that she could adopt them, but he actually
never made any of the steps to make this happen.
Now they are also emails about this, and they discovered emails.
Jason had actually emailed an attorney about concerns if a

(30:28):
divorce were to occur that he said, he said, so
she goes through with adopting the children. If we were
to divorce, He's like, can I lose my children? And
the attorney's like, yeah, the judge could say, yeah, they're
going with their mom and you could lose your children.
He's like, okay, well we're not doing that then, yeah, yeah, lose.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Your biological children to the lady. Yeah, and then turn around,
probably have to pay her child support for it too. Yeah,
that would just be awkward.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
And it's from your's and it's from you're widowed, so
it's like, you know, your original love, these children are
now not even in your care anymore, and she has control,
and then you're having to pay a child's for So
he's like, full stop, He's not going to go through that.
And they some of his friends were interviewed and they
talked about their like, Jason would never agree. If he

(31:17):
had any chance of losing his children, he would not
agree to this. He never went through with the whole
adoption thing. And I'm guessing it's because he thought divorce
was potentially on the.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Horizon with Mollie.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
I mean, because if she's selling all these lies about
the whole, if the whole American group at the wedding
thought this was a story, he had to have heard
this story from somebody. Somebody had to have brought this
up to him about the whole godmother thing.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Well, the sister heard, so she probably was like, hey,
what the hell.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Well, yeah, I'm sure, but I'm but I'm saying leading
up to the wedding, I don't know what he was
thinking because he had to have heard she was lying
early on, so I'm sure there was red flags.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
You think he heard about this before.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
The way and probably was just like, Oh, it's Molly
being kooky, silly Molly, silly Molly.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Meanwhile, the custody fight is raging on for the children.
Jason's family believes that they should come The children should
come with them back to Ireland because they have in
the will that they should get them, as Jason has
laid out, and they are also citizens of Ireland because
they've never become citizens of the United States.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
They have the old will from when they were babies
before he married Molly.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
So I mean, I don't know how well that usually
trumps it. I'm not so the will. I mean, the
will is usually going to be I mean, people try
to contest no, but it's.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Also from another country, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
How Oh, you're saying that their they're Ireland wills aren't
as good as the US one.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
No, I'm saying, I don't know how much of a
judge here would would look at that and say it's
from another country. And I don't know how legally binding
it is in this country, but anyway, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Anyway. Molly insisted the children remain with her, and that
is what Jason would have wanted. The children are eventually
ordered to go with Jason's family back to Ireland, and
as you can imagine, the children are very upset because
Molly is the mother they have known since eighteen months
and three and a half years old. Basically, it was

(33:24):
also quite the challenge moving to Ireland.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Jack had change, he say, it's changed. Well, if you
could imagine, Jack was really too like he had sports,
he had his friends and stuff. You know. I mean,
I haven't lived in Ireland, but you know, the whole
American sports thing. I feel like it's very you know, important, unique,

(33:50):
unique or whatever. And so he moved back there, and
you know, his sister really was outgoing and she did fine,
but he missed all his teams. I don't know what's
sports he played, but he missed the teams.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
And I think it was probably all something I had
to do with the age difference because he was probably
just coming into getting these friends and starting his stuff
and she was a couple eighteen months behind him.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, she was eight and he was ten. We just
said that. But they also said in the documentary that
she was very outgoing and just always just made friends
and stuff, and he probably I don't know if he
had a harder time, but he made his friends through
his sports teams and he had to leave that.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yes, and he did say that he had a hard
time adjusting as well when he got there. Yes, from
his own mouth and the documentary.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yes, wow, really killing it tonight, Sue, Am, it's not
two am, but it is eleven PMN so it might
as well be two am. I need to go to bed.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Getting back to our story, Molly begins using social media
to try and reach the children, as well as trying
to fly a plane over the kids' school.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Like this, it's getting weird.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yes, because Jason's family they were like, nope, you're not
contacting these children were not. I guess she was calling
their home. They just let the phone wak.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
We got on radio stations in Ireland trying to contact
the children. She'd make like birthday cakes and post them,
and then she posts phone numbers and she said, if
you see this phone number, call me kids, like getting
real creepy about it.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
She was posting the social media and all that. Yeah,
well she's trying to let you know how much she
loved her children.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yes, that weren't hurt. Yes, I don't keep saying they
weren't hers. But there's a lot of people that adopt
children and love them as their own. Yes, we're just
this lady was crazy.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Okay, Well just because.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Saying you can adopt a child, I can understand.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I can understand that she loved these children. Had she
not done all this other lying creepy ship.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yes, if she hadn't done all this stuff like killed
her dad, then yes, she.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Would have been a great step a.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Great you know, or mom, you know, adopted mom. So
we're not saying that. Obviously, people can adopt children and
that's like they're entreat them as their own and stuff
like that. This lady was just to me as we
go through this, to me, the children were a possession
and a tool for control and power, is what the
children were. I don't think she had any interest in

(36:21):
being a true mom, because most moms would never do
this too. They wouldn't kill her, you know, the dad.
But again, but it's supposedly still self defense right now
what they're going with.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Are you just you're just dropping these spoiler alerts?

Speaker 1 (36:36):
And yes, well, I mean I think everybody can see
where this is. This is headeds too. So police received
the toxicology report because during the whole interviews with Tom
and Mollie they kept mentioning that Jason was very drunk
and everything. So they're expecting this, he's some belligerent drunk
that is out of control, choking Molly. They're having to
like take him down and everything. Well, his blood alcohol

(36:59):
content would only point oh two, which is below I mean,
it's like nothing.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, point eight is legal limit? Is Yeah, you're gonna
go to jail if you blow up point eight while
you're driving. Yeah, yes.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
And so the only other thing he had in his
system was a few, like some of Mully's sleeping pills.
And they didn't know how he'd got those sleeping pills.
Did someone give them to him, did he take them himself,
There's just no way to tell.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I'm gonna say I think that they were crushed up
and put in his beer.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
That's what you're going to go with.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's where I'm gonna go with.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Okay, that's Stude's official stance on the sleeping pills. Yeah,
so there's no way to tell because it was I mean,
absolutely no way to figure out unless you talk. You
could talk to Jason. So they also were looking more
into the evidence that the room showed with the altercation
and how it possibly started when the door was closed,

(37:58):
because whenever they looked at it on the back of
the door, like if the door was closed, there was
blood all over the back of the door. So we're
saying Tom walked in and then starts hitting him with
the bat because he's choking his.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Daughter, and that's why blood starts flying.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, why would there be any blood on the back
of the door. He didn't walk in and be like, oh,
he's choking my daughter, let me close the door so
no one sees, and then go in there and do that.
So it's very they're saying. They're thinking maybe the altercation
Jason had to have been hit in the head prior
to the door being open. So I don't Again, they're

(38:37):
very murky. We don't really know what happened in this
room and the door.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Could have closed. Again, I guess if somebody was bumping,
if they were fighting over the bat as time, I mean,
that could be they.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I think they were looking at the blood splatter and
stuff like that. Spatter splatter. Okay, we've gotten into this before.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
You were wrong.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, so that was just something else that seemed odd.
But nobody mentioned that the door was closed or anything,
so it just seemed a little weird. There was also
evidence that Jason was beaten while he was on the ground.
So if you were trying to just defend yourself against
someone who's attacking you, you should stop once you neutralized
the threat. And so if he's laying on the ground

(39:18):
bleeding and can't get up, we should probably stop hitting
him with the brick and that. Yeah. So with this information,
Tom and Mollie were charged with second degree murders. They're like,
none of this adds up, you guys.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Now, during this time, the children were getting older and
began coming forward stating that Molly had told them to
say that their dad was abusive and if they she didn't.
If they didn't say these things to the police, then
they were going to be taken away from Molly. So
that's what the kids are finally coming forward and seeing

(39:55):
we were basically told to say these things, these bad things.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
About our art, or they would take our mom away.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Ye must Now, emails were uncovered showing that Molly and
Jason were not in a good space with their marriage. Now,
Mollie was at a party the week before the murder.
They were Molly and Jason were at a party the
week before the murder, and she was seen belittling Jason
and making fun of him being fat and so Jason

(40:24):
actually at the friends at the party said that Jason
just looked deflated and not himself and just sad that
his wife, you know, is is saying these mean girl
things about him and public at a party the week before. Again, Okay,
now this is in twenty fifteen. Why are we communicating
so much via email? That's what I don't understand. This

(40:45):
is a strange thing to me, that you're just communicating
with your spouse through email. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
This is weird.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
So Jason had spoke of ending the marriage and moving
back to Ireland. He'd mentioned this to family men and
things like that, that there's issues in the marriage. Now
police theorize that Molly was just not willing to lose
those children, and that she knew that she had no
rights to them, and she wanted him gone in her,
to have the children in him, not to be able

(41:16):
to leave and take them because he would have just
divorced her. That he probably would have been granted full
custody and then headed back to Ireland. She has literally
no rights.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Zero rights, Tom, since she has not adopted them.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeap.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
In twenty seventeen, they Tom and Molly. They go on trial,
They are found guilty and they are both sentenced to
twenty to twenty five years in prison. So happy ending,
no No. Jack and Sarah talk about how they felt
a weight was lifted off their shoulders and they felt
that they could start a new chapter in their lives.

(41:51):
They were embracing their aunt and uncle and even calling
them mom and dad. Flash forward to twenty nineteen. Knew
to F attorneys were hired to appeal the case for
the Martins. They uncover the records where the children made
statements about Jason being abusive the day after the murder,
and then he repeated the statements a few days later

(42:12):
on the recordings.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, so right after the murder, there was a written
statement that someone took down notes of the children saying
the same things.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, one of those child therapists where.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Well, no, the first one wasn't. The first one where
it was written was not in a child There was
just them talking to the police. The one that we
saw the video was them at a special place that
interviews children that have been you know, witnesses to crimes
or whatever. And so what they're saying is there's two
statements corroborating that Jason was angry and hit Molly. There's

(42:49):
two separate statements from the children, and that wasn't brought
to the jury's attention.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah, but then again, we both believed that they were
coached up so that they said the same thing.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, just because they said it the day after whatever,
doesn't mean that she still hadn't been talking to him
for weeks to.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Lead enough to this.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Oh you think this was all premeditating.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Well, we're first. I feel like we're first green murder heres.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Too, they also just place all to The attorneys also
discovered that the children had a safe word with their
grandma Sharon, and that she had hidden her phone number
in their room so that they could call her without
their dad getting angry. She wrote the phone number on
the bottom of a.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
By their bed because she was telling police that he
would not let them call her and he would get
angry if they if they communicated with her, something like that.
So and they did find the phone number written under
their This all this one, I say, it's premeduted. I
feel like there was a lot of stuff being playing
because this was they just determined this safe word or
whatever it was, like peacock or pigeon or something. This

(44:05):
all just happened just a few weeks before the murder.
All of this happened.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah. See, at first, I was like, did the dad
just come up and she was like crushing his skulling
and he just covering for his daughter or was he
in on the pre planning.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Or Tom's a psychopath?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
So I mean, did Tom plan this whole thing out
for his daughter?

Speaker 1 (44:25):
And I don't know. When you meet Tom and Sharon,
I feel like, well, we didn't talk to Sharon, but
we just heard from the stuff. They both just seem
like really enabling. I mean, their daughter's obviously been a
liar her in time. I'm sure she's been lying about
stuff since she was a child. You know, if she's
lying about stuff like this.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Dad, sisters and yeah, miscarriages possibly.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
The attorney subpoena Jason's medical records and they found out
that he had seen a doctor in the weeks before
the murder saying that he was becoming angry for no
reason at all, which.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
They're saying this supports what the children said that he
would get angry, and what Molly said he would get angry.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
The defense attorneys also brought this to the courts, and
they won their appeal for another trial. The state took
it all the way to the North Carolina Supreme Court.
They upheld the lower court's decision and Molly and Tom
were released and up until they would be retried again.

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And now, as you can imagine, the children and Jason's
family who were thought this was all over, they're very
upset at this new turn of events.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah, because at this point the children hate Molly. They've
completely turned They they see her for that she killed
their dad and in this horrific manner. Now Mollie comes
back on and she tells us more about Jason's abuse
and him berating her, and then how he used the

(46:00):
children to control her by threatening saying I'm not going
to let you adopt them. I'm not going to let
you do this. So Mollie began secretly recording Jason around
the house, but.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
And in the car. She had had a car car
in the rooms in the house.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, it's I mean, who was abusing?

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Who is?

Speaker 1 (46:22):
So Mollie she's recording Jason and they were placed. So
I'm like waiting for this audio. I'm like, Okay, they've
been building me up. I'm like, this Molly bitch is crazy.
She killed her husband. The dad's in on it. But
we're fixing to get these recordings and we're a fucking
nail in this. Jason to the wall on this one.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
What a hole he is.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
I mean I've had rougher conversations in this house than
what was going on. And plus keep in mind that
Mollie knows they're being recorded and Jason doesn't, so she
you have to keep that in mind because she's trying
to remain calm during all this to try to and
try to rile it. That's the way I saw is
if if you know you're being recording, you're trying to

(47:02):
make the other person look bad, You're going to be like, well,
I'm sorry, I don't know how you feel that way.
I'm just trying to help out. I don't And then
the other person's getting angry. We have no idea what
happened five minutes before this. That wasn't in the part
that's recording, So just keep that in mind. So the
recordings they weren't bad at all. One of them was
about she wanted to he wanted to have family dinner.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yes, he wanted he wanted to come home, have dinner
with his children and his wife.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yes, at family dinner at the table.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
He told her this, Yes, So then she goes and
feeds the children anyway. It was specific suit and so
they're not hungry, so there's not going to be a
family dinner.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
And so he's telling her, I've told you I wanted
to have family and he's not even yelling, really, he's
just frustrated with her. I don't know what shit she'd
done earlier in the day that probably had annoyed him.
But and then at one time he does, uh so,
and then that one of them he does use he
does kick a chair or something like that, and you

(48:04):
can hear him get mad. And again the argument they
were having was oh, whenever she said it was the
one where she said she wanted to or we hear
him say, she's all calm and everything, and we hear
him say, we're not gonna do that. You wanted to
be separate and not be around us anymore. You just
said you wanted to be separated and not have anything

(48:26):
to do with the children, So we're not going to
do whatever it was they were going to do. He's like,
you can go do stuff on your own or whatever,
and she's just like, I'm just trying to but we
don't know. Apparently before that, she told him that she
wanted to be separate and separate from him and not
be around the children. So they get into it over this.
It sounds like he kicks a chair or something because

(48:46):
she's basically it's almost like gaslighting, saying I didn't say that,
and he's just like, we just had this conversation. I'm
sure it was off recording where they had it, and
she's basically gaslighting him, being like, I don't know what
you're talking about. I want to be with you and
this family, and blah blah blah. He's like, you just
said this, and so he kicks a chair and then

(49:07):
I guess one of the kids was in the room
and he yells for or she yells for Jack to
go upstairs, and he's like, no, we're going to do whatever,
as you know with my children that you keep from
me all day that I never see, because there apparently
were some she was a little bit controlling too in
terms of what the children and how much time she
allowed for.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that the Netflix documentary
didn't dig into that I wish they would.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, it should have been They did it as a
They did this as a one like an hour and
forty two minute documentary, and it really should have been
more of a series where we kind of dug into
so you could really better understand. But the whole point
of this is the recordings that they played us. If
those were the worst ones, and.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
You would think they would play the worst ones that
they could get their hands.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
On, then you then this was not there's a.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Bunch of people in this country need to be divorced
if that's what verbal abuse is.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Because it really wasn't. He wasn't screaming or anything like that.
He was raised, he raised his voice, But again, we
don't know what happened prior to that, and that's how
the prosecution saw these recordings as well. They're like, we
don't know, she knows she's been recording. He doesn't, And
these aren't actually that terrible. They did have this stupid

(50:27):
therapist on there that was freaking ridiculous, and people, Wow,
he kept playing he played like portions of it. He'd
be like, you see this, this is a control behavior.
I'm like, what the fuck.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
You're a therapist, where don't you Goddamn Well, he got got.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Paid quite a bit by the defense to say those things.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I'm sure he did. Jack and Sarah come back on
and they're telling us how they did not tell the
truth back then, but that they wanted to tell the
truth now. After moving to America, Molly began removing the
pictures of the kid's biological mom.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
So Mags, this is what the kids are telling. Jack
and Sarah telling us what she was doing. So they
had pictures of Mags, you know, their biological mom, next
to their beds, and those were removed at.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Some point they were replaced with Molly.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
They also tell us how Molly started spending more time
with Sarah and pushing Jack away. Jack was much closer
to his dad, and Molly did not like him for
that reason. It's like she wanted him to bond with
her more than the dad, and so he wasn't it
aggravated her.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yeah, he just naturally gravitated towards his dad, and Sarah
gravitated towards Molly and she did not like him being
close to him at all, which was part of the
arguments that they had on the recording was stemming from
that about how she pushes his children away from him
and tries to keep the children from him. I think

(52:01):
she mainly tried to keep Sarah from him because she
kind of lost Jack along the way. Jack wanted to
hang out with his dad.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah. I think she would have got both of them on.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Her if she could, but she couldn't.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
It was like she was trying to manipulate him. According
to the children, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
And they said that she was trying to turn them, like,
pit them against each other for her love Sarah and Jack.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
They told us that Sarah spent all her time with
Molly and that Molly would try to keep Sarah away
from the dad. I just said that, Yes, well, I'm
telling people what Sarah said in her own words, and
Jack said in his own words. Jack says that if
they had to choose a parent back then, that Jack
would have chosen his dad, and that Sarah would have

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most likely gone with Molly since they were bonding.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yeah, they were doing all the fun like girl things,
you know, nails and stuff like that and everything. So
it was definitely a strategic move by Mollie to get
one of the children at least completely.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
On her, Like she was trying to kidnap the children
by Mary and Jason.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
And then I know she's like she just wanted It's
like she married him. Is you talked her just to
get to the children and then figure out how she
could take the children from him. Yes, she just wanted
the children.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I mean that's what it's same like.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah, I mean she she was young, she supposedly had
this miscarriage. I mean, just find somebody new and have
your own children. I don't know, it's not like it
was like someone told her she was completely infertile and
she needed I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Maybe she was the cancer from her sister spread to
her uterus.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yes, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
The defense attorneys bring up that Jason's first wife, saying
that Jason killed her.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, they went pretty they pretty deep dove on this
one for her.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yes, they went into this thing with the ex y
or the widow or the widow. Yes, well Jason is
the widow.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
No, he's the widow. She's the he's she's the widower. No,
he's the widower.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I guess. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
She's I don't know. I was too late to this. Anyways,
they're saying that he killed his deceased wife.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah, they're saying yeah that. So the defense for Tom
and Moley are saying, yeah, Jason most likely allegedly killed Mags.
They talk about their own experts, saying that Mags was
murdered from strangulation, but that there were no marks and
somehow she survived and died and later from the injuries.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
This freaking, this freaking expert that they brought in, he's like, yeah,
she didn't have any marks on the outside of her
neck because sayings, he said, how do you die? You
don't die from the external injury, you die from internal
So supposedly they're saying that it didn't get picked up
on a the medical exam because he strangled her somehow

(54:57):
didn't leave marks on her neck damaged the inside enough
that but it was like a slow damage. So but
within the hour she died from these these injuries. It's
a real stretch. It's a it's a stretch.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yes. So Jason's family they're pretty much in shock that
they're saying that Jason killed Mags. And they tell the
public this is not what they believe. Because Tom is
saying that Mags's father told him at the wedding.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Well, first he said he was uneducated, he was a dishbag.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah, he has a serious douchebag.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
He claims that Mag's father told him that he believed
that Jason killed his daughter.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, he said that. I was talking about the wedding.
He's real, he said, he's, you know, an uneducated man.
He's hard to understand, got this thick accent. And I said,
and I said what about. I said, oh, that's sad
what happened to his first wife? And he said, he
killed my daughter And that's what he said. The dad
said or whatever, and of course there that was completely Yeah,

(56:09):
this this whole thing is just weird. The family. The
family came out in Ireland and said the dad never
said that.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
The dad never said yeah, because he actually wrote, he
had to write that down. He actually died from cancer.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
So at the trial, similar to Molly's sister, Yes.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Similar to Molly's sister, but he actually existed. Yeah, And
so the daughters, the sisters read the statement.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
The mom and the daughter, the mom and.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Then sister of Mags Yes, read the statement that he
had made saying that he never told Tom this shit about.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah, he made an actual official statement, throw like a lawyer,
saying I did not ever tell Tom that that Jason
killed my daughter. So it was again another lie that
was told by Tom. And Molly are a pathlal liars.
They lie all the time.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, I don't even know what that's about. Yeah, but
during the trial, the defense attorneys bring up the abuse
signs on Molly that night, and they point to a
small scab behind Molly's ear, saying that it was a
sign of strangulation.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I mean, whenever they said so on the documentary. There,
it's like this big moment. They're like, the defense are like, yeah,
she had marks showing signs of strangulation, and so I'm like, okay,
where are these marks? Apparently they were those magical marks
again that he did he apparently has some sort of
skill where he can choke people without actually damaging the outside.
So they zoom in. I'm like, where, So she has

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a little bit of blood on her face of Jason's blood, again,
none of her own, and from this crime scene or
the night of the murder. And you zoom in and
there's like this tiny little scab, like this bloody scab
and they're like, this is from a fingernail, like digging
into the skin. I'm like, are you kidding me? So
he's bludgeoned today that they can't even count how many

(58:01):
times he was hit, and you're telling me that her
big son of abuse was a fingernail scrape behind the ear.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
How do we even know it was his?

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, well they don't know anything. I mean, these people
really reached for the stars and somehow they managed to
get this retrial.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah, and then whatever this expert is, he was like, yeah,
if you go and you find.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Whatever, it wasn't on the trial. They weren't doing this
at the trial.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Well, who was this guy at the therapist?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Then I'm saying that all of this wasn't during a
retrial because they didn't go on trial. They did a
plea deal.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Well, yeah, because the defense attorney was saying that some
specialist and abuse is like, if you go when you
find the clothes that she was wearing.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
That night, oh, there'd be urine on the crotch.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Because she probably passed out and lost control over bladder.
And he's like, lo and behold, we went and we
got our pajamas or whatever she was wearing that night,
and there was urine in the crotch. So she must
have passed out from strangulation, pede herself and then she
woke up and then fought him off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I mean, it's a real big I don't know why
she had pee. Maybe she I'm sure she peed on
herself when she was beating the shit.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Out of it. Somebody might just lose control of your bowels.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
But for them to say that he choked her enough
for her to pass out and lose control of her bladder.
But she had zero marks on her neck, is in
one scratch behind her ear does not? Is not adding up.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
No, it's not at all.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Now, Jack and Sarah they are ready to testify, but
the prosecution had concerns about a jury finding them not guilty.
They were concerned about this and partly was because these
these defense attorneys were really dragging in everything, and they
were afraid they were going to confuse the jury, bringing
in saying well, his first wife dies and we think

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he killed her and everything, and then we got all
this other stuff. So they were concerned that that they
could might lose some that might they might not get
a full jury that's gonna say guilty, Molly. We hear
from Molly again, and she's delusional because she thought that
them coming out and saying that in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Her team, with all this evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
With all this evident No, not with all this evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I'm saying facetious, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
No, but I'm saying that's not what I'm pointing out.
And this has nothing with the evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah, the evidence of oh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah, okay, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Air bunny, air bunny evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Yeah. So they she thought that them coming out and saying,
you know, he killed their mom and everything, that that
they would finally see the light and that they would
come back around and they would want to talk to
Mollie and they'd be done with their you know, stop
the brainwashing. And she thought that that she honestly thought

(01:00:50):
they were going to contact her after this and be like, hey, mom.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
We realized that dad was abusive asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Killed our mom and now we're almost our mom. Yes,
but obviously that didn't happen during sentencing Jack and Sarah,
so they too. So anyway, so the point was they
didn't do an actual trial because they just did a
plea plea deal because they were afraid they weren't going
to get a guilty verdict. So but they Jack and

(01:01:19):
Sarah were allowed to come speak during the sentencing period
as and provide victim impact statements. So they make their
way back to America and they're driving in the car, they're,
you know, they're real upset there. It's it's it is
sad and everything. They're they're very still, very emotional about

(01:01:39):
this whole situation, even though it's been on and getting
yanked around with the court system and having fucking Tom
running his mouth out there. Jesus, he's I hate him.
So they're the only thing I'm gonna judge him on
is that. Apparently their dad's favorite song or one of
the songs they listened to all the time was Chicken

(01:01:59):
from By. I don't even know who sings it, Garth Brooks,
probably no, Stuart, Jesus, he just likes to say he
just likes to say things like that to annoy me.
But you know that song a little bit Chicken Fried
called me around Frida and that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
You know what you could have you could have probably
just looked this that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
If you know what song I'm talking about, and you know,
if you know it, I know all the words, but
I'm just like this is I'm not sure about this song.
So anyway, so they the Netflix like plays it and
the kids start crying because they're listening to the song
in the car because their dad always would sit and
listen to that song. I'm guessing because he was like
from Ireland. It's like a super southern song.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Probably got an acting real goofy with it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
And they yeah, and they're they're listening as why they're
on their way to court. Well, their uncle who they do?
They did say he they started calling him dad. So
I feel bad for these kids. They've had their mom,
their original mom and dad, then they had the new
mom that they called mom, and now that they've got
a new mom and dad. So it's been a rough
go for these these kids. They seem pretty well adjusted

(01:03:04):
though for what they've been through. So their uncle, he
kind of gives them a pep talk and tells them
that it's you know, okay, we're done with the crying.
It's time to be strong, and he tells them I
loved it. Then he's like, fuck these people, these people,
these people, and you know the kids are like laughing,
like you know, they they'd like, okay, we got to

(01:03:26):
go in there and really, you know, give our side
and see if we can.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Hold it together till we get out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
So Jack and Sarah tell the judge that Mollie took
from them something they can never get back, and that
she lied to them and manipulated them, and that he
never hit her or anything like that. That they this
was there, finally their chance to say correct the record
on what they said back when they were eight and ten.
This is their chance, and said, you know, he never

(01:03:54):
hit her, None of that ever happened. Well, they were
sentenced to fifty four to seventy one months and unfortunately,
with the time served, they went to prison for about
eight months and then we're released. So they are free.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
So I don't know who this fucking Jodge was. Somebody
Tom must have known.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yeah, Tom had something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
It was Tom. I can't let you out but you know,
eight months, eight months.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Yeah, so Tom, so we're back. We got Tom. Fucking
Mollie got one last word in on the freaking documentary.
So Tom's talking about how great Molly was and how
she did everything for those children, birthday parties, teaching them
to swim, doing all these great things for them, and
he just doesn't understand how they could hate Molly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Everybody hates Miles. Everyone has watched this documentary.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Yeah but he but he's but he also just can't
understand just because you plan a birthday party and teach
a kid out to swim doesn't mean you can't also
be a shitty mom that's doing manipulative things and then
being terrible. You can be both. You can do both, Yes,
you can. Yeah. So Mollie says at the end that
she will always think of herself as having been their mother,

(01:05:15):
but in a different time period, it is a different
Jack and Sarah. She was always their mother, so she
still claims, she doesn't claim that she's their mom now necessarily,
but she still claims to have been a mom to these.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Children, these children at a certain point in time. Yes,
so how sad I know?

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Yeah, so, mom, I guess I don't know if she
ever had children. I'm guessing no, she should go have
her own children instead of trying to steal other people's children.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Maybe she's on the hunt for some children to steal
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
So, yeah, she's like one of those psycho bitches that
would like cut the baby out of the pregnant mom
and be like, I got some baby clothes for free,
and then next thing you know, she's cutting a baby out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Now she's seems like the bunny Boiler.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
She's scary, and her dad, Tom would freaking yeah cover
up for one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
He'd probably helped her plot how to cut the baby out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Yeah, they So the police actually do think that this
was They couldn't prove it, but they do think that
what happened was because they talk about the story about
how Tom was supposed to have a dinner with his
former boss that evening, that he was actually at Molly
and Jason's home, but for some reason he canceled last
minute and headed over to North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
And what he told the police was no, they had
planned on being there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Yeah, so things weren't matching up. And what the police
think is that Molly was going to try to orchestrate
some sort of fight and then try to get her
dad to come in and witness it, witness it or
be a part of the give him a reason to
be able to attack.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Yeah, they went everything from Molly plot orchestrated this. She
wanted her dad there to witness it, so that she
had a witness, all the way up to where I
believe that time might have actually helped her plan it.
In Mexico.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Oh yeah, I think he might have just been completely
I think they completely planned this. I think that she
either she gave him sleeping pills and beat him or whatever,
or started hitting him or something, and then the dad
was involved. It's all sketchy, but I think that they
planned the whole thing, the whole thing out. Psychopaths they are. Yeah,

(01:07:24):
all right, Stude, do you have a yelling Jesus? Because
I got to get to bed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
I do have a yelling Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Okay, are you ready to go?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I'm always ready to go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
All right, let's hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Then, desperate man arrested for stealing an eight hundred pound
cannon from the Spanish American War.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Well, is it you? Because something you would do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
To settle a drug debt?

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Oh, never mind.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Coming to us from the New York Post Darryl Kahn,
published May seventh, twenty twenty five. Florida or not Florida?

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
What was the war? Spanish American War?

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Yes, a Kansas man, the crook, this crooked cannon even
put what the hell this crooked cannon even pull off
a somebody, this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Crooked cannon eat like cannot like they were saying, cannon,
this crook cannot even cannot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Even pull off a worthwhile theft. This author cannon even
pull off a worthwhile pun. A low level drug dealer
stole an eight hundred pound cannon that was used in
the Spanish American War from a Kansas park last week
to settle a debt with his deranged boss, who was
threatening to murder him and his family, Authority said. Gordon Piers,

(01:08:46):
thirty eight, was arrested Thursday after the seventeen ninety four
cannon went missing from its podium in a Wichita park
and was later discovered chopped into pieces. Piers told Investment
in the pieces, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Don't know why would you up into pieces?

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
I'm guessing what is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
It made out of that would be worth more money?
Chopped up?

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Can I finish the story. I guess police. Pierce told
investigators that he was a meth user of twenty years
and that he owed his dealer twenty thousand dollars after
the pound of meth he was supposed to sell was
reportedly stolen. I'm sure it was stolen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
A pound of myth goes for twenty thousand dollars. I
guess I'm in the wrong business, right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
He said his dealer threatened to shoot him and his
family if he didn't come up with the cash to
repay the debt. That stressed that drug user planned to
sell copper from the statues made of material he could steal,
he reportedly told cops. Pierce allegedly hatched the crackpot plant

(01:09:48):
to steal the cannon after driving around in desperation looking
for copper statues. When he came across Riverside Park, where
the massive artifact had been a fixture since nineteen hundred,
He told investigators, opes, I pressed a button. He told
investigators that the reason he targeted the cannon was because

(01:10:08):
it was in a dark place. Pierce then recruited a
homeless man to help him with this plan by bribing
him with drugs and a pipe. The two men got
high on meth before trying to use their own muscles
to lift the eight hundred pound cannon. First, the pair
tried to lift the cannon into the bed of Pierce's
Chevrolet Tahoe, but it was too heavy. Next, they hooked

(01:10:30):
up a chain attached to the truck's hitch so the
criminal mastermind could tow it off, except when he began
dragging it through the streets, the chain snapped in front
of an automatic motive shop. He abandoned the cannon there
and fled to a friend's house and acquired a new chain.
Pierce used it open and used the new chain. They

(01:10:50):
dragged it to his friend's house, where they hid it
in his garage. Inside the garage, Pierce allegedly chopped the
cannon into five hunks and took some of the parts
to the drug in hopes it would settle his debt.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
I can't believe they This thing has made it since
seventeen ninety four and then these freaking meth heads. Yes,
why is it sitting in a park unsecured? Though?

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Who would think that they're going to steal an eight
hundred pound cannon?

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Someone could damage it though? Well, I know, graffitio or something.
Apparently it can be stolen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
It can be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
I mean by not even that brilliant of a plan
they just had that. You know what, if they would
put that that type of drive into a regular, you know, career,
they could really I mean, because they were dedicated to
getting this cannon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I don't know how dedicanned they were. They were just
smoking math and like, hey, you man's see something stable,
Hold my bear. So he goes to the drug dealer.
Drug dealer is irate, according to records, and called Pierce
stupid and told him he was going to bring heat
to his house before yelling at him to get out.
He's not wrong that he was stupid, since he didn't

(01:12:03):
have an idea that has required a scrap sell scrap metal.
Pierce had no real plan for pawning the eight hundred
pound historical artifact. The next time he saw him, the
furious drug dealer allegedly told Pierce he was going to
shoot him in the head. Terrified, Pierce went to his mother,
confessed and fell asleep. When he woke up, the cops

(01:12:26):
were there to arrest him. The swift investigation shows our
dedication to holding individuals responsible when they victimize our community.
Police said, what investigation? You didn't even know? Mom turned
him in. Officials from Whichita's Parks and Recreation estimated the
cannon is worth more than one hundred thousand dollars and

(01:12:47):
that Pierce caused ten thousand dollars worth of damage to
the granite pedestal during his hair brain caper.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Again, why is one hundred thousand dollars cannon just sitting
out there without any time of Just move it indoors, okay,
just go put it on display somewhere. We are not
a trustworthy American public. We cannot handle expensive artifacts out
in the in the open.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Stew Who do I think we are Europe? Or you
have expensive statues and whatnot sitting around.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
We we are. It needs to be in a museum,
It needs to be behind barriers.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Too many goddamn methads run around America and I have
those kind of ship land around.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
We cannot leave things like this laying around. So if
you are in a city and you have a canon
from you know, seventeen four, bring it inside. That's the
moral of this story. So all right, Well it is
late and I need to go to bed, so yeah, Stewart, No,
we need to go to bed all right. I guess

(01:13:50):
we will see you next time. Buy everyone say by stew.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
You know it's bad to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Be he's superstitious. But nothing else is working, and my
hands ringing and hurting.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
And I'm sick O.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
It's worrying bout the f