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May 23, 2025 65 mins
When Shirley was found murdered in her home, the only witness was her 95 year old mother who was nearly blind. Police would have to search security footage over five States to track down the killer.

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey, everyone, welcome to Bless This Messa the True Podcast.
I don't care, here's do say has to?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hi?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, we are back this week and we are
going to Oklahoma, Oklahoma. We haven't been there in a while. So, yes,
we've been doing very well with this is We are dedicated.
We have done an episode every week for like the
last four weeks. No, we've been doing good. After I
told her Bady, we're going to cut back to it
once every other week, I was like, no, we got

(00:46):
to do this, dude. We've been lingering around. We've been
doing this for seven years and we only have one
hundred and forty episodes.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
That's a bit silly one for each least.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
That's a silly goose thing to do. So we are
back with our Oklahoma episode. Patreon. If you would like
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(01:17):
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(01:41):
like to do that, it would be very much appreciated. STU,
Do you have anything to say?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
What else? Is there anything going on with our lives?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Oh I do? I know. Okay, So it was not
a body in the road. This is the first time
I've ever, you know, ever ever seen a body like
and I'm not trying. I don't want to laugh because
it's but I just laughed when things are uncomfortable. But
this was a bit of a crazy story. So I'm
headed home from work and I drive by and I

(02:16):
was like, is that a person? There was like a
person laying like laying down flat with their head to
the side, and it looked like their eyes were closed
and they were like sprawled out on the side of
the frontage road. So before you start, there was no
absolutely no way for me to safely pull over. They
were like in the middle. Imagine a service road where

(02:37):
it's like fifty five miles an hour. Yeah, a feeder road,
super busy. There's a loop there that you can get on.
Everybody's going like freaking ninety five miles an hour, and
I come around there and there's no driveways or anything
or anywhere to pull off to go and check on
this person. And two, based on where we are, probably
was drugs involved. So I'm also not gonna get my

(03:00):
face eaten off by somebody. So like, I like pull
around or I see this and I'm like, oh my god,
I think that's like a person, you know, laying on
the side of the road. And so I was like,
you know, you go through your hair, You're like, should
I call nine one one? And You're like, no, someone
probably already called or whatever. Then I was like, oh
my god, what if nobody's called and I'm and everybody
else thinks somebody else called. So I called nine one one,

(03:22):
and I think I might have been the first one
to call because which is a shame because it's a
very busy area. But everyone I'm assuming it's like that
bystander effect, you know, where everyone thinks the other person's
gonna step in and do something. So anyway, so I called, Well,
of course I am terrible. You can have to do
I am terrible north south east west, left right right,

(03:46):
So I'm having to I'm trying to explain to the
nine one one operator. I'm like, yeah, I've said I
couldn't pull over and think I said it wasn't safe
to pull over and everything. So I'm trying to explain
to her where she's and she's like, is it on
the I was like, it's by the achib, And then
I realized that the achib was on the other side
of the road, and I was like, no, it's on

(04:07):
the opposite side. But then I was thinking, oh, but
it's like at a four way area, so she could
have thought it was on that side. So I was like, no,
it's down by the encompass. Help And then I said
if you then she's asking me, So then I just
basically explain how I get on from work and where
this is. That this is also this is not funny
that I hope. I tried to check the news to
see if if the person was okay, but honestly, it

(04:30):
probably was like a drug situation. But anyways, it's it's
not funny the situation with the person. I'm just saying
that it's funny because I'm like the worst person to
be describing a location of anything, you know. Yeah, So

(04:50):
I'm trying to explain this to this person. And anyways,
they knew the general area, and she she I think
she got it down. But then I was saying, oh, yeah,
whenever you're headed to Andrews. But actually it was in
the headed towards the direction of Odessa. But then STUD
was like, oh, well you can get to Andrews that
way too, so she probably understood. But they were sending
police and ambulance over there. You know.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I feel like maybe I should have stopped or something.
But it wasn't safe at all. I mean I would
have caused a I would have caused a wreck, and
then we really would have had a situation. And it
was a larger I don't know if it was male
or if the person was male or female, but I
don't know. It just wasn't a good situations to It

(05:33):
wasn't a good situation. We're probably everyone's probably not in
like carryer a terrible person, but I know, but they
could have if they were on drugs or something, they
could attack you.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
You should have got out and made sure they didn't
name the mouth mouth.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Oh my god. And anyway, so I don't know. I
called nine on one and I guess I was the
first person to call. But yeah, that's what happened on
the way home from work today.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Good times.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
But I really really if there been maybe a place
to pull in. But they're they're honest to god, wasn't
it was. It's super busy and very and everybody's like
speeding and stuff through there. It's dangerous just to drive
through there. I can't imagine trying to pull over and
see what's going on. So anyways, all.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Right, interesting story.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Interesting story on my way home from work. But I'll
try to find out what happened to the person. But
again I think it's it seemed like maybe a drug situation.
So I don't know if they'll even report on that,
but if they do, I will let you guys know.
It might have been a trap we don't know to do.
They might have been waiting for someone.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Waiting just for you. Yes, that Carroll girl that does
that podcast.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I'm gonna get to today's the day motherfuckers. Anyways, all right, Well,
if you think I did a terrible thing and I
was in the wrong, then please don't keep it to
yourself and everything, all right, So that was my day today.
Put added to the list of interesting items that have

(07:04):
happened to me. And I guess we'll go ahead and
get into what was that That wasn't a child? It
might have been outside, I don't know. You know the
kids that throw the rocks in her pull or whatever. Well,
we haven't heard much from here lately, but someone did
post about them in the facebook group, the neighborhood facebook

(07:26):
group and put the address because one of the little
girls was like running out in the street and then
just telling them to the car to shoe after they
almost hit them with the car, like like like what
are you doing? Like why are you why is the
car there? So the girl just like was telling him
to go or whatever after like get away from here
after she almost hit got hit by a car because

(07:48):
the person. Yeah. Yeah, So someone was like whoever lives
at and put the address and I didn't put two
and two to go with the at tude in two
with the address until the people that own the home
because we had this is also the dog situation house. Okay,
so we had multiple situations. Anyways, I noticed and I

(08:11):
was like, oh, that's close to our house, but I
didn't put I don't know if that's going smaller numbers
or bigger numbers, you know, and uh again, directions things
like that very difficult for me. And then the people
that own the house comment and said, oh, we rent
that house out, so might want to knock on the
door and tell the parents or whatever. And then the

(08:34):
same person that's like the cousin or the ant or
whatever over there, that's also lives in the neighborhood that
came and supposedly got the dog that was whatever. She
calm and she's like, oh, that's my such and such house.
I'll go. I'll make sure and let them know. But yeah,
apparently the little girls just running out on the road
almost go hit by a car and then act like
the car was in the raw, like the car needed

(08:56):
to get out of the plane.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
This is my street, Laddy, what are you doing driving?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
And it's by a corner, so I mean it is
dangerous and people drive like freaking Nascar up in this place.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, it's the busiest damn street that because everybody leaves
to go to work because they want to go out
that way instead of the other way. But they put
that light in now.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
So yeah, so that's what's going on in our world.
Nothing else interesting. I guess that's it. I moved offices.
That's nobody cares about that except for it's added time
to my community. Oh yeah, they're very Probably people were

(09:34):
upset whenever I was talking about the body. And again,
I'm an uncomfortable laugher. If you start talking about how
my mom has passed away, I'll make an uncomfortable joke.
I'll make a joke and make everybody uncomfortable and then
nervously laugh. That's just then leave, walk away. It's like
Claire when she's trying to tell her son that the
neighbor died and she can't stop. That's how I am.

(09:57):
I'll start being like awkwardly smiling when it.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, he died.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah. So that's just who I am as a person.
A terrible person. I'm a terrible person. All right, enough
of that. Let's go ahead and get into our case
out of Oklahoma. So Shirley an Shell nay friend and
that was the last names to friend. So Shirley Shell,

(10:23):
what a great name, was born May twenty eighth, nineteen forty,
in Oklahoma. She would meet Joe Shell her junior year
of high school and they would begin dating. They would
date all through college. They went to like a little
junior college together and this is where Shirley earned an
associate's degree. Now, after college, they would marry and have

(10:44):
three children, Brian, Tracy, and Cindy. Shirley and Joe. They
were described as being just the best of friends. Super
you know, they married their best friend from high school
and they would end up settling in Edmund, Oklahoma, where
Shirley would help Joe build his company, Agrisystems, as well

(11:04):
as be a homemaker. So she did both things, stayed
home with kids as well as helped him out. Edmund
is also a city in Canada's too, and I remember
it because they called it Deadmond because it's got like
a real high murder rate, but it's really lacking in

(11:25):
comparison to the United States. It's called Edmund, but they
call it Deadmond because of the murder rate. But whenever
you look at the murder rate, I mean, we blow
that way out the wall, help the water. I guess
it's the same way they measure it here. Yeah, per capita,

(11:46):
I guess. But like even our mildest cities over here,
like blow that out of the water because we're you know,
a dangerous bunch.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I would say you think yes.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Based on what I saw driving from work to Daste,
things are rough out there.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Okay, face eater, just setting the trap for you.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yes, so, And it could have been like somebody playing
a practical thinking it's funny, playing a practical joke. You
just don't know. These days, people do all sorts of
thing to get people videos of people, you know, like
get someone to pull over and help them and then
scare them or something. I mean, you just it's hard
to know these days. If what's going on, the only

(12:26):
time I would have stopped, if an adults do it
laying there like that, I'm probably not gonna probably not
gonna stop in the middle of the traffic. But if
it was like a kid or something, then yes I
would stop and help them. Or a kitten or a kitten. Yes, no, Stuart,
don't say that and have me laugh because people are
gonna think I'm terrible. I'm just saying, you guys, can't
You can't trust anything these days. I'm gonna stop digging

(12:47):
myself a hole and get back on to this case.
So as they, you know, go throughout their life. Shirley's
mother was getting older and she would move in with
Shirley and Joe, and she became her primary caregiver. So
Shirley's pretty busy. She's got these, you know, her kids,
raised her kids, helped her husband with his business, and

(13:08):
now she's full time caretaker for her mom. At this point,
Joe was working for a company out of Amrella. I
don't know if he sold his company to them and
continued to stay on or what happened, but he this
company wasn't Amor alone. It was about three hundred miles away,
so he spent a lot of time on the road
and he would frequently spend the night out there where

(13:29):
that company was headquarters were located.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
On June fourth, two thousand and seven, Joe headed out
to Amarillo and he met it there at about three
point thirty in the morning when he gets to his hotel.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
He did he left. It's about a four hour drive,
so he left pretty late in the evening. But he
didn't like to spend the night away or whatever, so
a lot of times he'd get up super early in
the morning and drive, you know, head out there. But
I guess that night he needed to be there earlier,
so he actually drove. But I guess he wanted to

(14:01):
wait till the latest possible. Man, that's crazy. You don't
want to drive out here at night.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
No, not midnight to four, I am no.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
I mean look at her in the middle of the day.
There's bodies on the suck of the road. I mean,
this place is freaking apocalypse now. I mean, because Amarillo
is out towards you're going to be driving through no
man's land.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, it's the bunnies and deer and all kinds of
wildlife crossing the road in the dark. No, no, thank you.
We did that coming back from South Padre. It was
not fun. No, and the storms are rolling in. Yeah.
So he got there at three thirty in the morning.
Has this voicemail from Shirley. He listens to it. He
could hear Shirley talking to someone and saying something about

(14:42):
a pen number. Shirley then said Joe call me back,
and she hung up.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
But she was real calm. They played the voicemail. She
was very calm during this, so it was odd to him,
but it wasn't distressing. She's not calling up, screaming or
anything like that.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, the message was left at about two twenty five
in the morning, so this is an hour before Joe
actually listened to it. He tries calling Shirley back, there's
no answer. Concern. He calls his daughter, who lives about
five minutes away. He asked her of show Goo check
on the house.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, because the main thing he was really focused on,
because Shirley was so calm and the voicemail, was something
was wrong with Pearl, which was his mother in law,
because she was in very poor health. She couldn't really
see very well and just needed full time supervision and care.
And she was ninety five years old, so I mean

(15:37):
she needed help. And so that's who he thought. Maybe
that there was an issue was with something with Pearl, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Because she was not a spry ninety five year old.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
No.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
The daughter arrives around four am and she immediately goes
to check on Graandma. First, she was not in bed,
but the sheets were pulled back like she had been
in bed. Everything normal in the house. But the daughter
sees that something is off.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
She can just sense that's not see Stuart. She can
just sense something's off, like Grandma shouldn't be out of bed,
Grandma should be asleep, you know what. This is all
just weird, like something weird is going on. But nothing
blatantly was on in the open that would immediately cause
her to say something happened, but she just had a
feeling something was off. Oh excuse me, yes, do okay,

(16:30):
you should know these things.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Cut up care. She finds her grandmother and the grandmother
tells her that someone has taken your mother. Now this
is a little concerning it.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
But also it's a woman is ninety five.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Years old, and it means full time care.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
The daughter inspects the house looking for Shirley when she
comes upon her mother lying in her bed. As she
looks closer, she sees that her mother is on her
side with blood everywhere. She calls not on one one
and in the call, she's screaming that somebody killed my mom.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Police arrive on scene and there was a table where
they find like a little small nightstand slash in table
type thing, and they find Shirley's purse belongings kind of
strewn about. But it was again, it wasn't some flipping
tables and a bunch of chaos and stuff in the house.
It was just all her stuff was kind of pulled
out onto that table. Her wallet was open, and they

(17:27):
do find out that two credit cards are missing. They
also find like a plastic canister like container, you know,
like maybe you would have peanuts or something, and then
you wash it out and you put we have those, yeah,
you put coin. We had almonds in them, and now
they have coins in them. So they find one of
those laying on its side, and like the top is
kind of broken, but it's completely empty. It had loose

(17:50):
change in it and it's completely empty. So nothing else
had really been taken that they could find except for
those few the credit card and.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
The change change.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, credit card, and it was one that Joe kind
of just threw his every day. He'd come in and
empty out his pocket, you know, with his change, and
throw it in there, and then it just sits there
until someone's like, oh, we should roll that and take
it to the bank or something. We should roll our coins.
Do we probably have a bunch? Do you have that
whole thing of quarters? Don't you? I don't know you

(18:21):
have a whole container of quarters? We are you think
they're going to come wrong?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
We're gonna come rob us for our quarter pocket change.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I used to get those gold coins and feel like
a pirate back in the day. I remember my mom
got us my mom bought us a little uh, me
and my brother we went and got a bunch of
those gold coins, those little one dollar gold coins, and
so she bought us. I know that Stewart, there are

(18:52):
golden color okay, sat the what do they call those,
the sacaea? Yeah, oh okay. Anyway, those when they had
when they came out with those, I wanted those to
look be like a pirate because I think Pirates of
the Caribean was real big then. So I all went
to hobby lobby and bought me a little like a
little chest or whatever, so I'd keep my gold coins

(19:13):
in the chest. Anyways, I had those gold coins and
it was like, I mean, I think I might have
had I probably at the time it felt rich, but
it was probably like twenty dollars with their gold coins
or something. But I'd keep them in there, like I.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Was a pirate turk, give me some booty.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I knew you were gonna say that. So yeah, So
it's a little bit confusing of a scene because surely
has been murdered. But again we had that calm phone call.
The house doesn't look too crazy or anything like that,
So you know, you would expect maybe like a a

(19:50):
lot of like whenever she called and asked for the pen,
that she would have been, you know, frantic or something.
So it's just strange. So police speak to Pearl and she,
like I said, she's almost blind. They said, she can
see like shapes, and she might be able to see
make a little bit of colors and shadows and everything
like that, but she's completely I mean, she did not

(20:12):
see who did this too. She could not give them
a description whatsoever. She did say she but she can hear,
so she explained what she heard, and she said that
Shirley was speaking to the man and that she was
calm and she never screamed or anything like that. And
she told the man that she would get the money,
and that's when the man said, you're coming with me,

(20:33):
and that's the last that I guess. She didn't even
scream her, she didn't even hear whenever he you know,
killed her and stuff like that. She was probably trying
to be calm for her mom, though I guarantee she
didn't want to upset her mom because her moms can't see.
And if she heard her screaming or something like that,
it would have, you know, the man could have turned

(20:54):
in her mother as well. So in the room where
Shirley was murdered, there were no signs of a struggle,
but the crime scene was very bloody and it was
a violent death. But they could not find the murder
weapon at the scene. They couldn't find a knife, anything
like that, gun, nothing, So they canvassed the neighborhood and

(21:15):
a few people did just say they saw a four
door burgundy car, but the description was pretty general. They
didn't have a make or model or anything. That was
the only thing that they could come up with. Burgundy
is a unique I wouldn't say it's the most common color,
so that's something. So with only that to go on
what the vehicle kind of looked like, they went ahead

(21:36):
and put a bolo out to see if they could
just track down this car. They also looked for any
cameras on homes and businesses that might have caught the vehicle.
Now looking at where the Shells lived and the main
highways and interstate how that somebody might have gotten to
their home. It would have been off of I think
they said I thirty five, yeah, coming in, So they

(22:01):
they kind of track that route and they're like, okay,
EI thirty five they definitely would have had to exit here,
and so they're they're able to identify businesses with cameras,
a circle K, a seven eleven, and then a Walmart,
which we all know Walmarts are the key to solving
most crimes because for some reason, everybody of all the
places of companies that have the money to put up

(22:24):
cameras and have the incentive to, Walmart has cameras everywhere inside, outside, everywhere.
Every corner of the Walmart has a camera. So I
don't really know why anybody would I'm.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Going to come at a murder. I need to go
get supplies at Walmart. Yeah, I killed somebody. I need
to go get the clean up supplies at Walmart.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Look it's convenient. It's right there, right there. Yeah. So
they they try out the circle K in the seven
eleven with no Look, they didn't have any video of
anybody in a burgundy car. So the only basin is
that did have this car on camera was the Walmart.
So they find they roll back the video leading up

(23:03):
to the around because they knew that whoever was there
was at two thirty five am was at the home
because that's when she left the voicemail asking about the pin.
So around two nineteen am they police do see a
car on the Walmart surveillance cameras for the parking lot.
This description that meets this description pulling through. Well, the

(23:25):
car was doing like just some odd things. There was
a lot of like circling around.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Coming brash things happens in a Walmart.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Especially at twenty in the morning. So the cars just
kind of like going. It would go out of frame
and then it would come back at heart around but
they never they Then they didn't don't see the car
for about eight minutes, and then it comes back through
around two thirty am. So then they're like, okay, maybe
this is when this person could have gone to the
Shirley to the Shells home and got Shirley and come back.

(23:58):
So then around two six am the car comes back
and parks, and so it's close enough to the camera
at this point that they can see kind of the
driver messing around with the seat, like moving it back
and like up and down and stuff and again strange behaviors. Well,
they're hoping that the person will get out of the car,
but they never do. So around two forty three am

(24:20):
the car then pulls away and then they're able to
pick up on another camera to just get kind of
a better look, but they still couldn't make out the
license plate number because again, all these cameras, I don't
understand every camera that they showed their terrible quality, Like,
is what do you even what can you even do
with that?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Oh? You can do a lot now, well.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Now, but back then it was just like this blurry,
grainy thing. You can't even figure out to make a
model of the car based on even from that far away.
And it wasn't like super far away. It was a
decent I mean, I mean, I think it was close enough,
but you couldn't see really make out who it was
anything like that. So they get this car, they get

(25:01):
this different angle and everything. They can't make up the
license plate, but they were able to pause it and
zoom in and they could figure out that the person
was wearing a black shirt. They were white, and they
were bald, they were stewed.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
They got me.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
So they at least had a car and possibly you know,
a general description. Again, car and person are very vague,
but maybe you can match together a bald, white dude
in that burgundy four door sedan.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Police put this car and description out to the public,
but after eight days, they still had no clue who
the killer was, so they went back to the walmart
footage and their only lead They searched earlier in the
day where they lucked out, and they saw the vehicle
parked at around midnight. They continue to watch and they
finally see a man walking from the walmart to the car.

(26:00):
He moves his car a few spaces and he parks it.
But after he parks it, he waits a few minutes
or whatever, a few moments, and then he drives away.
Then he comes back. They see the same car come
back at two am.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, the whole situation that we described before s too. Yes.
Then it leads into the next time they see the
car is when it's the two nineteen am and he's
driving around the parking lot being weird.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Do you understand that?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yes? I understand.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Hey, well it seem like you're a little confused.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
No, I'm just confused by the poor writing.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
God, Stuart, you try forming a sentence, because it's very
difficult for you. I'd like to see you put a
full episode together.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I am an English major. I could probably do it.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Pro you're not. You didn't major in anything, Stuart, if
you say something about like, uh, what is it? Shoot,
I'm getting tired? What is it? Whenever street smarts, what
is it? You always you always used to tell me

(27:14):
you measured in something and it was not. It was
like something of sexiness.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
No, what well?

Speaker 1 (27:20):
You fuck fucking flunked out on that one. Wow, Okay,
go on.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Since he came from the Walmart, they pulled up the
store camera where they see the man that they're looking for.
He ends up being a story employee by the name
of Harold Warner. They talked to him and he says
that he was following some suspicious looking people and he
was trying to get a playton.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
So he's like, I'm not the suspicious person. I was
following suspicious people.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
The manager did confirm Harold's story, and he is removed
from the suspect list, which we know what that. Police
are back to square one looking for the murderer.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
And but you know, you're not supposed to follow people
at the Walmart. This is maybe it was an in
store policy at that point.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yes, they cannot.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Harold looked like he was took things seriously. He was
in he was maybe he worked for asset protection or
something like that, and he was taking his job very seriously.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
I mean, we've asset protection ain't working at two am.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
We've all we've all heard the story about how I
stopped the Walmart shoplifters and then the Walmart store employees
took credit for it.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yes, yeah, we all remember that. No, but that asset
protection has done gone home by two am.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
STU has the inside scoop. So police they had been
tracking these critics, So you're probably wonder, Carara, well, don't
they know where the credit cards were used? And I'm
about to tell you they were tracking those credit cards. However,
those credit cards did not show any activity, which is
strange because you'd think if someone robbed someone and stole
their credit card, the first thing would do is use.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
The credit cards, one would think.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
So three weeks would pass when Shirley's daughters were they
would come in and check the mail and just make
sure no bills were being sent to be taken care
of m stuff, because I don't believe the dad was
staying at the house at the time because he was,
you know, so upset because he'd been married for a
shirt to Shirley for forty five years. I mean they were,
I mean that was huge, you know, loss for him.

(29:30):
So they're, you know, sorting through all this mail and
they find this credit card statement and it's they they're
looking at the bank name on the credit card and
they're like, they didn't even know their mom had a
credit card there, and neither did their dad. So I
don't know why she had this credit card. Maybe it
was just like an off one she signed up for
and forgot, you know, just didn't tell her husband or

(29:50):
forgot to or something like that. So they immediately so
they're looking at this. So it's the statements come in
the mail. They're looking and all these charges are after
their mom passed away, and so they immediately call the police,
well detectives, they so they take this credit card information

(30:12):
and they see that the credit card had been used
at about twenty gas stations across five states. So now
they're on this hunt for this killer, tracing his movement
based on these credit card transactions and hoping that they
can find camera footage of him or something like that.
So they head up I seventy and they have gone

(30:34):
through about eleven gas stations and they have no luck either.
The gas stations don't have cameras, or they didn't actually
pick up who the person, or couldn't find the person
they were looking for. Well, they finally come upon a
Marathon gas station in Cloverdale, Indiana, and this is about
eight hundred miles from Edmund, Oklahoma. Well, there they finally

(30:57):
get some video footage of the killer. So he gets
out of his car at around six thirty PM and
pumps some gas. They whenever they're so they're able to
actually see him from a distance, but he uses, he
pays at the pump, you know, so he doesn't actually
come in, so they can't get a close up of him.
But they do find out that he is not Harold

(31:18):
at the walmart. Harold is definitely in the clear house. Yeah,
it was actually a like a you know, mid not
middle age. What is someone in there in their thirties
years time frame? What is that considered?

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, I mean, since the average age of death is
like thirty or seventy five, I guess you.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Just want to tell me, you just want to say
that I'm middle aged.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Anyways, it appeared to be a black mail in his
thirties and like I said, he didn't actually come into
the stores. They couldn't get a close up of him,
but they were able to look at his car, and
they it was a dark green four door car, which, again,
dark green is a more unique color I would say

(32:06):
than say if it was a white car, a silver car,
a black car, you know, even red, but dark green.
You don't see too many dark green cars. I feel like,
you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I don't pay attention to such things.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Okay, well it's not that common. Like white cars are common,
black cars are common, silver cars are common, but dark green,
I feel like it's quite a bit lower number. So
they issue a bolo for a black mal driving this
four door dark green car. So they got the new bolo,
and they've got kind of his movements around on this

(32:40):
I seventy at these different gas stations.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
As police are looking at the path the killer took
to see where he was, they find out that he
was on the turn thing well, where he had passed.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
No, you just said, as the police were looking at
the path the killer took, they were looking to see
where he was, which is the same thing, the same
thing as I just want to The reason I'm saying this,
people is because he sits there and makes little comments
about my writing. I did not write that.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
That was that was see on the turnpike.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
That was Stu's improv. That was him improving. That's him
going off script. That's off script, stew.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Because this is terrible writing.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
My hand was cramping. I was so committed to getting
this episode out today, and you know, I try to
get him out. We say we'll release them on Thursday.
So if you guys will notice that the episodes get
released to Patreon at like Wednesday at like eleven fifty
five pm, and then the next twenty four hours later,
so they get released to you know, everywhere else, and

(33:52):
it's because it's technically still Wednesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Guys.
You see what I did there? See that effort that's
gone into this.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Maybe, if you were more committed, we do this on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Well probably, But then I told Stu. I was like, oh,
maybe we should switch the days and be like, okay,
we we you know, it's on Patreon on Thursday, it's
ever else on Fridays. And this dude's like, no, then.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
You'll just wait Thursday.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Listen I do. I'm a I'm a deadline person. I
need someone, I actually really need a deadline feel to
be productive. So that's just how I function. Any whosle
stude doesn't function at all.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
They're on the turnpike. Figure, he's on the turnpike. They're
helping that a camera, what have some footage. There's a
toll booth in it was a ten lane booth. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
If anybody's ever driven in Oklahoma, we used to drive
back and forth between Muskogee and Broken Arrow and there's
like it's a it's a state I believe, it's a
state run toll roads. It's not these private toll roads.
It's the state. Uh you actually it's not you know
like when you're in Texas all these are private toll

(35:02):
roads that you're you know, easy Tag and stuff like that.
This is actually a state run one, I believe, and uh.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Well easy tag works in Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
So okay, well I'm sure on some of them. There's
probably still private toll roads in Oklahoma. I'm just saying
the turnpike is the major state run one, and those
like I remember driving into those, those things are huge.
The lanes that open up on that turnpike to pay
because you had to go through and actually it was
because back whenever I and I'm sure the same was

(35:32):
whenever this was happening two thousand and seven. We used
to drive them. They didn't have, you know, where you
could just drive through and it just flashes and scansy
that your license plate or a little tag. You actually
had to stop and throw that change up in that thing.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Hand that they attend up the money or throw the
change in the.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yes, So there was Yeah, they had an attendant in everyone,
and there was just lanes and lanes and lanes of
where you could pull in and then it would all
just merge back together on.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
The Yeah, those ones in Europe are huge too.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, they were big too, but they because they wanted
you to stop and pay. They weren't taken, not.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Dang license plate pictures.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, you weren't just rolling through. The ones in Europe
were like the ones in Oklahoma were. And I don't
know what they're like now because i'dn't been to Oklahoma
so long, but I'm sure they've got like fast lanes
and stuff like that. But they were massive turnpikes, like
toll boots.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Well, the far easy tag works in Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I guess we can we can go to Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Now, we can go to Oklahoma. Now check it out
and see what's going on out there. So, yes, they're waiting,
have to check all ten lanes. That's gotta be just
manpower resources sitting there.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
I think it was one guy, just I mean, this
wasn't a huge budget for this. It's the Edmund Police Department.
Just one guy was just watching hours and hours of
footage and watching people come through and stop at the
and they didn't have you know, I mean, nowadays, I'm
pretty sure they can probably run it through a software
system that would review the footage and find a you know,

(37:02):
identify all the green cars that came through or something.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Like that, and then they can go back and look
at those.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, they finally do see a car. It's a dark
green car with a black mail wearing a striped shirt,
pulls up, pays cash. There is unfortunately no license plate
on the front of the car. But as they keep looking,
they do notice that there's a plate on the dashboard
and that they can make out the last two digits,
which is eight to two. With a better look at

(37:28):
the car, they are able to determine that it is
a Mazda six two six.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Which is a four door. Even those two was like,
I didn't know a Mazda.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't know. I don't pay attention to Masda's. That's
a Ford brand car anyway, a Ford brand. Yes, Mazda
is owned by Ford Motor Company.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
F Why okay, just you know the more you grow.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Well, Toyota owns Lexus.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yes, I know that. You go on and on about that.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I do, you go on and on.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
We're Toyota people. We have Toyota. I wouldn't say I'm
a Toyota person, but that's the most reliable car.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
And they make the best just happens to be the
ones we've been buying.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Well, they make the best minivan too. Of all the
mini vans, we have the Sienna, which is.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Wow, what just picking a fight with all.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
The oh please? We went and saw a Honda what
are they called Honda?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I don't know. They got the pilot and they ods.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Say so Honda Odyssey. There are some benefits to the
Honda Odyssey apparently, like the back row. You can buckle
the kids in and then just flip them up and
they'll be in the position or whatever which is, which
would be nice and everything like that. But I find
the and then the way they redesign the cienas it
looks less like a mini van if you get like

(38:42):
a twenty twenty year later so ours was used when
we purchased it or whatever. But if you get kind
of a later model, they have updated it to make
look more like a suv. He's a little sportier, I
would say. And don't even get me started. Don't don't
get no Chrysler, Plymouth or whatever. The hell. Yes, the
Pacific those are terrible. If you go and wrint one

(39:04):
from the Enterprise or something like that, that's what they're
going to give you. That's what they run there. And
then apparently a bunch of them were recalled because we
were going to go test drive a minivan prior to
us purchasing a minivan because we you know, we have
three children now. And when we went to go do it,
the guy's like, oh yeah, I said, I called specifically
and said I wanted to make sure you had a

(39:24):
minivan available. And you know, you call these numbers now
for like Enterprise, and you can't even get a hold
of like the person at the desk at your local one.
You just get this one eight hundred, you know whoever
at a call center that's answering. It's like, oh, yeah,
they said you reserved a minivan. Yep, they'll have already
show up there. It's a freaking like Ford Explorer or something,

(39:46):
some huge Oh it was a big gas guzzler too,
And so he's like, well, I can give you this.
And so at this point we'd already told the kids
we were taking them to the zoo, so and Abilene,
which is two hours away. So well, I was like,
I was so mad. I was like, okay, I'll take
the I'll take it. But it defeated the whole purpose
is the purpose was to test out a mini van.

(40:10):
But the only mini vans also that they had were
the Chrysler pacificas I guess anyways, but they were all.
The reason he didn't have any minivans is because they
were all They had a bunch of recalled or something
like that. So we drove this suburban or whatever the
heck it was, and it was it cost a four
It cost as much to rent the car the gas

(40:30):
is to rent the car. So I don't know how
people are affording driving these giant Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
It was like eighty dollars in fuel just two hours
back and forth.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, it was insane, and also it just didn't for
us with three small children. It just didn't work either,
the logistics of it all inside the suburban, No, did
not at all. We definitely lucked out finding this sea
in our price range, because these things are if you
got to you gotta search around because they are pricey.

(41:01):
The c N is there a hot commodity.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Stew, They're hard to find.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
They're very hard to find ones that are a decent
shape because also you're buying a mini van, So whoever
has a mini van has little children, It has a
bunch of just destroying things. We went and saw one
local and it was disgusting and it was the same
price as ours. But we got this one off of
what's that Cars to Go or.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Whatever, Cars to Go.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Carmel, CarMax. Yeah. What's great is if it's close enough,
they'll ship it for free so you can test drive
it at your So we had to drive up to
Lubbock because again we have nothing in this town. Drive
up to Lubbock and bought it that day and never
looked back. Well, and then we had held then the
rider for we bought it. Hell storm came and destroyed

(41:46):
the whole thing, and then I didn't have it for
several weeks and I did have to drive a Chrysler. Yes, yeah,
is that what it's called, the Pacifica. I did have
to drive it for like sixty and that thing was
a piece of shit. So yeah, definitely, if you can
find a Sienna for a good deal, go with that,

(42:07):
all right. Well, if you didn't warn't in the market
to buy a mini van, that was a whole wasted
like five minutes of your life, So sorry or longer listen.
I'm traumatized today. I had I found a body.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Okay, Claire, back to our story. Okay, police find police
are able to pull this green maz To six two
six up again.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Also not a very popular car. I don't feel like
not think of that. A dark green mans To six
two six.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Well, they pull it up with the numbers eight two
in the there's only one, and there's only one car,
green Maza sixty two six with the numbers eight two
in the license plate. It is registered to a thirty
six year old Michael Gary from Akron, Ohio. Gary had
a criminal history, including aggravated burgley and two are right.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
He should have just not even been out at all.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
One would not think he would be. Yeah, however, he
was a registered sex offender and he was clearly very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah, because now he's he's already a terrible person. Now
he's murdered someone, and now he's on the run, so
he's I mean, it's a ticking time bomb before he
might actually hurt somebody else. At this point, he's got
one of those names, what is it whenever the first
and the last name, So he could be Michael Gary
or Gary Michael.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Could be Yeah, could be his alias.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
No, I'm saying, what is those names? Whenever? The first
and last Both first and last name are both like
last names and can be first names. There's a word
for it, someone knows. So now that they have their suspect,
they need to make an arrest, so they contact Akron
police and they are like, hey, we're on it. So
they go and storm the home, but Gary was actually

(43:57):
able to escape out the back door. So they do
find the car at his house and they impound it
for evidence. They are now on the hunt for Gary,
but that won't take long actually, because surprisingly he comes
up to the police station and turns himself in just
twenty four hours after he went on the run.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Being on the lambshit sucks.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yeah, Well, the reason he did that is because he
thought he didn't realize that they had put together that
he has killed this woman down in Oklahoma because it's
so far away, and I'm sure because it's the Akron
police department, Like, he probably didn't understand how you know,
police departments work, that they can go a different police
department can come up here to arrest you at this house.
So he's thinking they're upset with him for not following

(44:41):
all the proper things about registering as a sex offender
when he moved and things like that, and so that's
what he thinks. So he's like, oh, I'll just go
turn myself in and they'll just register me as a
sex offender at this address. And yeah, that's why they
were storming your home. It is because he.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Can sa properly ass but.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
He's thinking is going on. So that's why he did
actually turn himself in. He has absolutely no clue that
they know about him and Shirley, so they confront him
about that credit card usage, and of course he says
he knows nothing. He's like, I'm not going to talk
about something I don't know anything about well he and
he said, and they were like, well, have you been
to Oklahoma? He's like, I've been there once, you know,

(45:21):
years ago. Yeah, not not. I don't know what you
guys are talking about. Well, after a short while, you know,
you'll see Gary has no, he can't, he can't hold
up under pressure law because yes. So after a short
short while, he admits to using the credit card, but
he says he did not kill Shirley. He says that

(45:42):
he got the credit card from some guy at a
party that had a scar on his face, and this
guy just gave him this credit card and so he's
been using it. So despite the fact that it says Shirley,
I mean, he him saying he doesn't know Shirley and
he's been using a credit card with her name on it.
I mean, like, anyways, he's so stupid. So he so

(46:04):
they charged. So since they don't have enough on him
for murder at this point, because they're still trying to
process all that, they get him for what they can,
which is fraud for using that credit card, and so
they're able to arrest him under that. Well, they're looking
for additional evidence to time to Shirley, and this murder. Well,
that comes in the car because in the console was

(46:25):
this like coins like all stuck together, like he'd left
food like something sticky in there, and all these coins
and everything had just been like congelled together and everything
in the heat. So the forensic people are pulling everything apart. Well,
in that wad of coins goo, they find a key
chain that says just a little silver keychain that says

(46:48):
Joe shell Well. They contact Joe, they send him a
picture of it and he's like, yeah, that's my He
got it from work or something happened, and it was
just in his someone gave it to him. It was
in his pocket. So when he took his he said,
when I took my change out, he said, I probably
just threw it in the change jar because it was
in my pocket and everything. And so since that was

(47:09):
in there, really sealed the deal on Old Gary. And
so they confronted him with this new evidence, saying, hey,
we got you using the credit card. We've got you
on camera at a turnpike in Oklahoma. We've got you
using the card on camera at the gas station. So
you can't say that you weren't the one actually using it.

(47:32):
And then now we have this, and so he quickly
admits to that he did actually kill Shirley. So he
tells police that he took Shirley to the bedroom, but
he wasn't actually planning on hurting her, and he said
he had a knife on him from when he was fishing,
and he just decided that, he said, he didn't even

(47:54):
know what he he doesn't remember even thinking about or anything,
but he did. He just decided to cut her, what
he said. And so he said that he happened upon
the Shell home when he got lost in that neighborhood,
and so he just by a happenstance comes across.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
What was he doing there? How did he get lost
in this neighbor I don't know, Stu, why did you
drive from Ohio to Oklahoma? And He's like, oh, I'm lost.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Okay, I don't know, Stu. Why didn't you look that up?
Are you legit asking me that? Y? You know, this
is a bunch of bullshit because we might have paused
because I said, Stu, you're not even You're just he's
just he's just listening to me tell the story for
the last five minutes, and I'm like, you don't have
any questions? So I paused, I'm like, you don't have

(48:40):
any questions because he's just like sitting there like like
I'm telling like I'm telling him the story, which it
might be the first time he's heard it.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
So I did hear it?

Speaker 1 (48:49):
It was in the background, Yes, it was in the background.
But anyway, so that he gets on here and tries
to ask me questions, he knows I'm not gonna have
the answers to.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I thought you might have the answer to that.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
I don't know why he was in Oklahoma, stew I
don't know why he burglarized it. He was trying to
get money to get back to Ohio though he was
in Oklahoma for some reason, and he was trying to
get back to Ohio.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Made us some gas money.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yes, so he's in this gets lost in this neighborhood
and he decides he needs to rob somebody because that's
what he'd been in jail for before, was a you know,
aggravated burglary. So he just comes to their house and
they had left the back door unlocked, and so that's
when he just walked right into the home and he

(49:35):
was just going to commit this burglary, and he tried
to get her to get the pin number, which was
the phone call to Joe, and when that was unsuccessful,
he took her to the bedroom and then he said
he just he wasn't going to hurt her, and then
he did kill her and then stole the credit cards.
So it's just like, I know he didn't have to
she wasn't. I think she was trying to remain calm

(49:56):
so he wouldn't hurt her mother. And it's like she
wasn't fighting back. She was gonna give you whatever you wanted,
just take the stuff and leave. I mean, I don't
know how he thought the I don't know if it
was I don't know the condition of the the mother.
You know, whenever you saw her, But I don't know
if he could tell she was in she couldn't see

(50:16):
or something, because he didn't hurt her, so it wasn't
about seeing who the person was that did this. You know,
and you're using a credit card, you're going to get
caught eventually. You can't use a credit card and not get.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Caught, No, not unless every place you go it I
didn't have any cameras, and then you ditch the.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Credit card unless it's in like Houston. And then They're like,
we don't have time. If all you did was still
a credit card and use it, we don't have time
to do.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Wow, you're still on that.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
No, they don't have time to deal with They don't care.
They're like, you got to kill somebody or do something
like that for us to have time.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yes, you're still upset about that.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yes, they tried to eat at the Chili's with my
credit card in Houston. I'm sure I've told that story before.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Wasn't even in your credit card. Somebody just took the
number you had the credit card.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
It made a replica, yes, and then try to use
it at a Chili's in Houston. And so they tried
it twice and that's when.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Alert or something.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, and then apparently the manager was like they never
got it through because it didn't get approved. But I
think I called the chilis and I talked to the manager. Oh, Karen, no,
because I wanted to throw because this is why these
people do this is because they get away with it
because the police don't have the resources to go after
identity theft and fraud and stuff like that, so they're

(51:33):
not going to do so. I called up trying to
see if I could press charges or do something because
they obviously have the whoever hat did it on camera
in the chilis again like a Walmart, they have cameras,
but they're like, we don't have the There's nothing you
can really do. I had to call around to multiple
chilies too, because they wouldn't give me the exact one

(51:53):
that it was ran from.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Wow, I don't even remember any of this.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
I had a lot more time before we had children.
I had a lot more. Oh wow, I was angry
about that, Stu. All right, So back to this. So yeah,
so he really it was really completely unnecessary for him
to murder her. She was not fighting back, she was

(52:17):
ready to give him whatever he needed. So with him
admitting to murdering Shirley on June second, two thousand and eight,
about a year after this all happened, Gary was sentenced
to life in prison without parole. Think thankfully he should
have been in prison without parole.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
When he could be commuted and he could get parole.
The Menanda's brothers are gonna possibly get parole now.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
But we don't. But we that's some more complex situation,
Stuart than this.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Okay, I'm just saying just because he gets life with
no parole doesn't mean he.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Can't get something can't happen, can't happen. Yeah, what is
it called a commutation? No, what is it called? Uh,
compassionate release? Things like that happened all the freaking time.
When they get to a certain age, they're just like, well,
just let them out, they're probably harmless, and then they
go and kill somebody. All right, So Shirley's mother of pearl. Unfortunately,

(53:13):
just three weeks after Shirley was murdered, she did pass away.
So the family's having to deal with both these things.
They said she was just it was just too much,
you know, dealing with it. I mean, because she was
she was She couldn't see and stuff, but she was her.
She was fully functional in terms of understanding what happened,
you know, to her daughter.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
So yeah, she was just physical. Her mental status was fine.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, So it was just too much for her, they believe,
and she she passed away. So yeah, it's all around
just a depressing situations do because.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Some asshole needed some gas money.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, gas prices weren't even that bad in two thousand
and seven, No, were they? I don't know, I don't remember. No,
thanks were rough in two thousand and eight. That was
the crash, the big all the banks needed.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
To be built out. The mortgages went tits up, tits up.
Yep mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
All right, well that is our case for this week, stude.
Do you have a y'all need Jesus?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
As always?

Speaker 1 (54:15):
You know who needs Jesus me because of that whole situation.
At least I called nine one one. Nobody else even called.
You don't know that she didn't say you said you,
because whenever I told you what happened, you were like, oh,
did she say that they already were aware of it.
I was like, no, she's getting all the information from me.
And then I felt bad because I'm like, oh my god,

(54:37):
I'm the one giving directions for this.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
To find it is not good.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
So yeah, you have it ready to you're frantically looking.
I can see.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
It in I gotta get back.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
You look like those people at Chili's trying to use
my credit card after after they'd been declined already once
frantically looking for some other form of payment. They probably
just whipped out somebody else's with a bank that didn't
have as many security alerts and use that one instead.
You got it, Stu. I can only kill so much time. Okay, Oh,

(55:16):
I know how I'm gonna kill some time. So I
will say this, STU has to have eye surgery here
in the next couple weeks. Don't be looking at me, STU.
Just find your y'all need Jesus, Do you have it?

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah? I got one, you.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Have it now. I want to just say that this.
I had to stop this and delete some of this
because it was so long that I was trying to
delay for him to find this. But I will say
Stu has to have eye surgery here in the next
and it's like a detached retina. Is that what it is? Yes,
So it's a bit of a bit of a situation
because then he can't pick anything up over ten pounds

(55:52):
and are the smallest baby weighs probably nineteen or twenty
pounds at this point. I don't know. She's a man.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
She is she's an eater.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
She's an eater. Like it's so funny because we the
other two have never been eaters. And I know people say, oh, yeah,
when you have a baby, they'd ever eat everything. Well,
our two oldest ones are they ate. I wouldn't say
they were too picky, but they weren't. Well, this our
son was, but he had ended up having he has
a tongue tie. Anyways, the whole over death. But our
daughter she did like she wasn't necessarily picky. But they don't.

(56:24):
They never ate, even as babies, you know, fifteen month old,
eighteen month old, they would never eat, and they really
don't eat. Now we've had to cut out all snacks
they're not only we stop buying goldfish, all those things
because they'd fill up on those and they wouldn't eat
their dinner. So we've cut all that out. But this baby,
she eats her food. She eats whatever. The other two

(56:46):
don't eat. And so now at this point, I'm like,
you guys better eat your food or I'm giving to Sissy.
And then all of a sudden they start.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
To shove up.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
They're like, oh god, well eat the food. Yeah. She
ate like two pieces of pizza the other day, which
is a lot for We're like honestly like thinking like
where Stu was like, should we stop feeding her? And
I'm like, I think they know when they're full, that's
what they say. But she and then she'll walk around.
She got this big old pop belly, just like sticking

(57:15):
out the rest of that. She really motes some food
down the other night though, she ate that whole bag
of pasta herself. Yeah, plus plus all the rest of
the stuff that was supposed to be just the small
side and she ate the whole thing. So anyway, so
Stu's dad is coming to help out. So we may
not have episodes that those weeks, or at least that

(57:38):
week because I'm not recording with people in the home.
Just not doing it, guys. Okay, No, I can't do it.
Like I said, this is our secret podcast. Nobody knows
we have it. I try to keep it that way.
It's so definitely not.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Gonna be recording with Hey, Grandpa, go watch the kids
recording it.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yes, yeah, because he's gonna ask questions what were doing
in here? You know, like what are you guys doing?
He might go to sleep and we could do it.
I don't know, but unless we get ahead of it, uh,
I record ahead of time. I don't know. I might
just replay an older episode or something. You guys can
listen to that.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
The Frog episode.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
No, We're not going back that far. The audio is terrible,
and I'm so mortified by whatever I've said in the
early years, mortified. I mortified what I say, what I
said today, I feel like I'm gonna get canceled over that.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Dead body in the road.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
We don't know if it was dead, and it was
not in the road it was it was a person
on the side of the road passed out or something.
But it was a hot day today.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
So can it just been heat stroke?

Speaker 1 (58:41):
It could have didn't say just heat stroke. No, I
think it was definitely some sort of drug or issues. Yes, Okay,
we're gonna stop talking about it. I'll try to find
out an update. You guys next.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Week, gona talk about I'm gonna keep talking about it.
Talk about it all victory record again, be like, why
didn't you do this? Why didn't you do that? Did
you think of this?

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I should have came and got you, and it's right,
it was right by our house. I should have just
came and got you, and you could have drove back
over and assisted the person.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I could have.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yeah, you could have, but you didn't. Okay, Well read
your y'all need Jesus, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
This comes to us from one oh one the station
wr IF.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Oh, okay, I'm familiar.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yes, are you no, No, If they have a thing
called idiot Criminal of the Day, Okay, I don't know
if it's a morning zoo wonka walk, a honk a honk,
a thing or whatever these people do on their one
oh one.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
I listened to a morning radio show in years I
didn't even know. I always wonder whenever I happened to
it doesn't turn onto my my iPhone or something like that.
I always wonder when I hear like radio DJs, I'm like,
I can't believe they're still still doing this, still doing
their thing and getting paid. I used to listen to

(01:00:04):
Kid Kratick in the morning, and I was so upset
whenever he died. That was really depressing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
You can still listen to the Kid Kratick show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah, they still call it Kid Kratick, but he's not
on there anymore. It's been like ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Well, obviously, if it was any good, I would have
listened to it. So don't and I don't know anything
about it, so oh, shut.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Up, stude. It's one of the biggest morning shows in
the Dallas area and it's broadcast all over the place.
And I believe Kelly Rasberry is the one that's mentioned
our podcast A very long time ago. Someone told us.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Kelly Raspberry, Yes, she mentioned our podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Remember that was a really long time ago when we
first started. Someone wrote a review and said, yeah, I
heard Kelly Raspberry mentioned your show on her podcast or
something like that, and that's how they found us. And
then we're like, I was like, oh my god, that's
like really cool and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
So she's only gotten like tens of listeners too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Them, No, she has millions of people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Well it did not translate.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
It translated to one and they wrote a nice review.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
So there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
And this was back when we had very poor audio,
which we still kind of do because sometimes stud doesn't
talk into the microphone. So if you're wondering why that's happening,
it's Stuke's fault.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
It's not my fault.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
And two that was back you know now Dateline everybody
has a freaking true crime podcast like and a network everyone.
We've told you guys, we missed our boat. Okay, we
missed the ship. We're just riding along. We're just puddling along.
Now we're trying to catch up in our little dingy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Well we're trying to catch up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
No, we're not. We're they've done left us in the wake.
They've done left us in the wake. Stu, all right,
go ahead, this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Comes to us. November eighth, twenty twenty three, a thief
blabbed to his Uber driver about how he was on
his way to commit a crime Florida or not Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Not Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Really. According to reports, a forty one year old thief
in Maine, Ah named Kevin Gray ordered a riot share
to a local TJ Max TJ maxes. He then blabbed
to the driver about how he was gonna rob the place.

(01:02:17):
You're forty one, you call an uber to go to
a TJ Max to rob it? Where have you gone
wrong in life that you're robbing a TJ Max?

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
This is a this is from He's from Maine. He
could never hang with the Florida criminals.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Yeah, you gotta go somewhere that's got money. I can't
imagine a TJ Max has a lot of money in it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Are you kidding me? St Have you ever been to
a TJ Max and seen the line of ladies that
are buying shit at the TJ Max wiping their cars,
swiping left and right here Ta.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Probably, Yeah, there's cash money.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
To there's cash money to still yes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Okay, if you say so. Well, the driver dropped him
off called the cops. Police identified the passenger as Gray,
and in addition to being a suspect in a crime
committed the previous day, they saw that he had warrants out.
When they saw him exit the TJ Max and approach him,
there was a small foot chase, but they caught him

(01:03:15):
and he was arrested.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I thought they ran background checks on whenever you sign
up for Uber to be a passenger to or they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I wouldn't think that they could get away with that.
Gray had several sets of pre conviction bail conditions that
barred him from several businesses in the area because can
you guess why.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
No, I wasn't listening.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Because of the theft charges at those stores. So he's
been robin stores and they all got like no, no trespass,
Yeah against him. Gray is facing charges in relation to theft,
as well as drug possession warrants and violations of conditions
of release. So there you go. There's a y'all y'all
need Jesus short quick to the point in and out

(01:03:59):
when I am bam, Thank you, ma'am. See you in
nine months.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
What's wrong with you? All right? Well, that's our episode
for this week. Again. We should be here next week
and then it might get a little dicey for two
weeks and then we'll be back. But we may we
don't know. Surprise, surprise, surprise, surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Just stop. We already have a trouble getting the people
to listen to this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
This is true, all right. We will see you guys
next week. Bye, everyone, say byetu bye. Do tell you
know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shot f. Nothing else
is working.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
This word you lay that a can today
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