June 6, 2025 • 47 mins
When a woman is found murdered in an apartment, police have no clue who she is, she is not on the lease and the person who is on the lease is nowhere to be found. When they finally identify her, they work through leads but the case quickly goes cold.
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey, everyone, welcome to bless This Mess on the True
Ground podcast. Don't care here? What's tusa? Hay Stu? Right,
all right, we are back and this week we are
going to Georgia. We were also back in the closet,
and not the same way stew was in nineteen eighty three. Wow,
I'm kidding. We are back in the closet. If anybody's
been around since the beginning of time, they remember that.
(00:44):
We used to record in our closet in our old house.
This was two houses ago and there was no vent
or anything in there, so we used to just get
like we would just sweat. Yes, it was miserable and
we were drinking quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So we had no children to know, no children.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And so we're back in the closet because, as we
mentioned last week, Stu had eye sur eye surgery, his
retina was detached, so that has been reattached with I
believe duct tape. That's the Midland special. So it has
been reattached. So we are we are day late on this.
(01:23):
But we also my father in law is here and
Stu's dead anyway, so obviously no one knows we do this,
so we have to record sneakily in the closet because
the guest bedroom where he's sleeping is on the other
side of the wall of the office where we normally record.
(01:44):
And this is a D. R. Horton special. The walls
are paper thin. People, we can hear. You can hear everything.
Like the baby's on the other side of this wall
and she is still awake, but she's just chit chatting
with herself. She's just yeah, yeah, yeah in there, so
you might hear a couple baby, but it's we gotta
keep on moving because I gotta I gotta get to beds.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Do I gotta get to bed too? I gotta heal.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yes, yes, STU looks like a pirate.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Do you want want to take the eye patch off?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
No? I can't even look at him without the eye
patch on because his eye is so red. I can't.
I'm thinking about it. I'm getting my eyes are short
in the water. So just like looking I'm sure most
people like this. If you look at somebody that has
like eye problems, like a runny eye, it just makes
your eyes water. Well, that's how looking at him is.
So I got him an eye patch.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Are and so give me some booty.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I knew you were gonna say that anyways, apologies in advance.
The setup is a little wonky in here, as is
Stu's eye so you might hear some chords hitting the
microphone thing. So we're gonna try not to have that happen.
But we don't have our table, we don't have our
normal thing. I mean, our normal setup isn't great, but.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
This one is really not great.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It's really not good. If you can picture this stew
in an eye patch, sitting in a what are these
chairs chairs, fold out chairs like you take to like
a soccer match or like a kid's sporting event or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I don't know, Stu it, I was going to go
to a soccer match in this.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
House, maybe two dy one day. He certainly can't kick
a ball. He might be because I found out there's
indoor soccer at the YMCA, and that's right up my alley.
It's indoors.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
No shit, it's hot.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Are so picture this who he's sitting there with his
eye patch in a fold out raging Cajun chair with
a microphone between his legs.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
That's why we're calling it now. I kind of.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Stepped into that one, all right. So that is the setup.
That is what's going on. We are hoping to have
another episode next week as well, just timing and stuff.
But now that his eyes should be better, he just
had the surgery Monday, So anything else going on with
the stew. Now I'm listening to a podcast recommendation, uh,
(04:06):
the Titanic Ship of Dreams. Very interesting. I'm learning so
much about the Titanic, Stew.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I thought you knew everything there was to know about it.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know, I was really into the Titanic back in
like nineteen ninety seven when the movie Titanic came out,
and so I got real invested in it, into getting
Titanic books. My mom took me to Blockbuster on whenever
the video tape, the VA show tape was released. I
still have all of that stuff. But I got real
(04:35):
into the Titanic back then, and I'm rediscovering my love
of the Titanic, and I'm learning all sorts of new things.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Because you're a sick motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Why oh no, We're into Like on the podcast episode,
we just got done with how everybody died and.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Then by drownd spoiler alert.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well there was It's no they were wearing a lot
of them were wearing cork life fest so they actually
dive from hypothermia.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's do yes, okay, drowning, And yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
They didn't all die like Jack Dawson, just you know,
because Rose wouldn't make room for him on that on
that piece of wood.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And then she never sold the diamond to help her family.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I know, don't even Yeah, Okay, back then I was
really into that movie. But when you now as an adult, look,
I'm like, what a bitch her granddaughter hold her ass
out to that damn boat with that one guy ogling
her and gonna throw that that freaking diamond in the
ocean whenever she could have set her her granddaughter up
for life. And that poor guy been searching his whole
(05:39):
life for this and everything, and this bitch just throws
it overboard and then goes to sleep and dies.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Two worst villains and Rose and Jenny from Gufora's Gump.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Okay, well we can argue on that one later, but
now she's terrible anyway, So highly recommend that podcast. What's dord?
What do you?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Did your eyes? Saying something over there?
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If you don't stop with messing with me, I'm just
going to take this eye patch off for the rest
of this podcast.
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She lives in our heads.
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Speaker 2 (07:52):
So with all that.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Nonsense that I do, no further ado, Yes, let's get
into this week's case out of Georgia, all right. Pamela Chrysler,
who went by Pam, was born March sixteenth, nineteen fifty three,
in Georgia to Seaborn and Lois Chrysler.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I like that, Seaborn. Can we have another boy? Nam him? Seaborn? No,
why not?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I'm not not after ill, just what I've listened to
about the Titanic. We're not putting sea in anything. Pam
was described.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
What I was gonna make a seaman joke.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, yeah, it's not the time or nor the place, Stuart,
all right. Pam was described as a caring person and
she was always ready to help family and friends. She
even took in her nephew after he graduated college and
just kind of became a mentor to him and just
really helped him out. So that was just her personality
was to help people. Pam worked as a counselor in
(08:51):
substance abuse and mental health. Now. She worked hard to
build up her practice in a small town in Georgia.
Her patients loved her so much that when she decided
to move to the big town of Athens, Georgia, she
was trying to grow her business and just expand. Some
of her patients even came with her, driving one to
two hours just to come still be seen by Pam.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Well, that was a loyal clientele.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well, I'll talk about it a little bit later because
I did read an article Pam did. Maybe didn't have
it quite together that much, but anyways, we'll talk about
it when the time comes. Not to say anything bad
about the victims, Alice, but just we got to paint
the picture as it is, as it is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Just laugh about it.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Stewart's shut up.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
On August twenty first, two thousand and two, the manager
at an apartment complex started receiving complaints about a bad
odor coming from an apartment. The manager went to check
out what could be causing the smell.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Don't ever investigate, guys, just.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, you got to if you're the apartment manager.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I try to investigate any odors coming from Stuart.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, I try not to with you, but you Dutch Oven.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh that is so not even true, and you are
so offensive right now, that is not even remotely true.
I don't do such things.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
He knocks, but no one answers, so he enters the apartment.
Inside the apartment, lying on the bedroom floor was the
body of a woman, with a sheet covering her partially.
The manager calls nine to one one and police arrive
on the scene. They can guess by the decom composition,
hard word, and odor that the woman had been dead
(10:38):
for anywhere between three to five days. Near the body,
they find a large amount of blood. They also find
blood spatter on the walls and carpet. The crime scene
looked like the victim died in a very brutal way,
and it was clearly not a person who died from
natural causes.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, yeah, because you got to think about that. If
you find I'm sure the manager has, if he's been
doing this for long enough, you're going to come across
someone who possibly died naturally in their apartment and didn't
have anybody around to come check on them, and then
they find it. This was clearly not that type of thing,
so they had to get the homicide unit in there.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
The woman was wearing underwear and her clothes were pushed
up near her head. There were no signs of forced entry. However,
the backsliding glass door was unlocked. There was no evidence
of any items being stolen. Based on the state of undress,
sexual assault would likely be the motive. The bedroom was
in disarray where she had fought. The attacker had most
(11:37):
likely surprised her or he came upon her while she
was sleeping. They're guessing that he got in the house
somehow and she was not aware. So it wasn't like
they didn't think it was somebody she knew. No murder
weapon was found on the scene, and autopsy would later
find that she had been stabbed twenty times. However, they
did not find any signs of rape, which seemed to
(11:59):
indicate another mon.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, it kind of was confusing for them because they
just looking at it. They would that's where they thought
it was going, and then now there's nothing stolen, there's
no signs of rape, and now this woman is just stabbing. Yeah,
I've been murdered in her apartment, So that could point
to a personal matter though, for because that is overkilled
twenty times, stabbing someone and nothing being stolen.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They recovered any fingerprints they could and DNA samples from
the apartment. There was a random blood drop on a
newspaper that they believed would have come from the killer
due to its positioning.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, so they were they didn't know if it came
from the killer or there was blood from her that
dropped on it, But it was on a newspaper that
was laying on a table outside of the area where
she was murdered, so it obviously was not her that
did it. So they're hoping this is actually a blood
drop from the killer so they can get a DNA profile.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, they were basically hoping it cut himself during.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That during the struggle. Yeah, now police are a little
confused on the identity of the victim because the apartment
was actually not least to a woman at all. It
was actually least to an unmarried man named Charles Elam.
Now police need now need to track down this Charles
and ask him why why is there a dead woman
(13:22):
in your apartment? This is this isn't good, dude, You
need to explain yourself. So police began asking around the
neighbors who said that Charles was a bit of a
recluse and he didn't seem to interact with you know, anybody,
any neighbors or anything much. So please start blasting his
picture all over town. And they are able to track
him down after a family member called him and told
(13:44):
him that the police were looking for Like, hey, bro, dude, yeah,
you need to get they're looking for you.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Charles was actually in Florida at the time working a
construction job. Now, when he found out that there was
a woman found in his apartment dead, he was actually
they said, he was very upset. He was able to
provide an idea of the woman and it was Pam Chrysler.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Now, obviously police are wondering how Charles ended up with
Pam in his apartment and she's deceased. He told them
he had recently befriended her and allowed her to stay
in his apartment because he was going to be out
of town in Florida for an extended period of time
working his construction job. He told them he was not
(14:29):
romantically involved and it was just a simple thing where
he had met her and she needed somewhere to stay
short term, and she could basically watch his apartment for him,
do some house sitting.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yes, he was doing illegal subletting. Probably, Yes, This is
where I was going to bring in something about Pam.
And isn't the name of a podcast something about Pam?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I have no idea. There's three and a half million podcasts,
so I'm quite.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Sure there's probably one called something about Pam. So Pam.
They did write in a newspaper article that she I
think the reason that she's staying at this random guy's
house or apartment is because she had a previous landlord
said that she owed twenty one two and forty five
dollars in back rent and had been evictor or like
(15:17):
she skipped out on it, So I think that's probably
why she had to get this kind of situation when
she moved.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Nobody rented. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
And then also in that article they stated that Pam
was did dabble in scientology and like astrological readings, you know,
like psychic readings. So she was a bit of.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
A free spirit.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, she was a free spirit. She had she didn't.
She can't have the man holding her down with these
stupid rent and when she's got you know, fortunes to
tell she charged one hundred dollars. Yes, yeah, the guy
said that he paid one hundred dollars for her to
read his signs.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Or whatever astrological chart, yes or whatever. Yees. So she's
a bit of this she was doing.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
She's a bit of a free free spirit in that
regards that could not rent an apartment.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It happens to the best of us.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Okay, well, you got a bad enough credit score, she
doesn't even have to have it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
We got you, Pam, We know things happened.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Charles said that he would call and talk to Pam
every few days, but she had stopped taking his calls.
The last time he spoke to her was August seventeenth,
at around eleven pm. This does fall into the timeline
of how long they thought she had been dead. He
also told police an interesting tidbit about how she would
sleep with the sliding glass door open to stay comfortable
(16:50):
at night. Police found this odd that he mentioned this
specific detail.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, without them trauding him, and he and they knew
the sliding glass door was unlocked, and then he's talking
about it. But that means that the home, So it
was about it was August in Georgia, so high humidity
in the nineties, probably even at nighttime. So this was
and I guess she probably he probably told her. She
(17:15):
he said that he didn't want her to be uncomfortable,
but he, I mean, he's not going to pay for
her to ac herself, you know, all day long, because
that's expensive. So she probably had to keep the electure,
the like utility bills down.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I can't even imagine August, Georgia mosquitoes.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, police also didn't help with the decomposition of the
body as.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well, know all that heat coming in. Police asked him
why he had not contacted the manager when he had
not heard from Pam in almost a week, and he
didn't really have any answers for that. They also found
that he had not been in Florida the whole time.
People had seen him back in Georgia when he said
he was gone. Charles denied any involvement, but police needed
(17:59):
to check into the exact time he was in Florida.
They were able to verify through multiple people that he
had been out of town when Pam when they think
Pam was killed.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, so he's not the most reliable person in terms
of saying but at that specific time he wasn't there,
but he wasn't him just saying I was out of
town this whole time. They're like, no, you weren't. Also,
this is a strange situation, strange, strange fellas, strange situation
(18:32):
that this you know, forty something year old woman is
now just crashing at this guy's apartment that she doesn't
really know and they're not romantically involved or anything. Just
happened to come. They didn't say how they met or
anything like that, but it's just it isn't it's a
bit of an odd situation. Now police are back to
square one with no suspects, no hard evidence to point
(18:56):
them in the right direction, and when speaking to Pam's
family and friends. They couldn't identify anyone that would want
to hurt Pam. Yes, she was quirky, but she didn't
have any enemies. She didn't have any like love interest
that had gone wrong or anything like that. Now, Charles,
he was in his apartment. After he got back into
(19:16):
his apartment and everything like that, he notices that there's
a large wetvac that was missing because he's in construction,
so he noticed that this this wetvac was missing out
of the closet and so he let police know. Well,
Charles was also kind of he was a little bit
of a.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yes, he was even asking about getting the blood he
whenever the police were done in the apartment, he's left
with this giant bloodstain. He was even asking around how
he could get it tested and all this stuff. Like
he was turned to a little amateur detective on him.
So he takes matters into his own hands, and you
know what, this was helpful, though he didn't end up helping.
So he starts asking neighbors around about Pam because he's
(19:57):
just at his apartment. So now he's got all the
time in the world go chit chat with everybody so,
and he's speaking to a neighbor named Adrian, and he
found that she recalled seeing a guy pulling a shop
back out of the apartment, and she didn't actually when
police had had spoken to all the neighbors, but she
didn't remember this until Charles was making small talk with
(20:17):
her and said, yeah, the shopback's missing. And she's like,
oh my god, I forgot that this happened because it
was around uh, it was around two o'clock in the morning,
and it was that night and she's just found it
very very odd and everything that. But of course she
wasn't gonna open the door. But she said she actually
cracked a coke while she was looking out the peopole
(20:39):
and the guy that had the shopback that was coming
down the hall or whatever, looks up at the door
and so she like freezes because she's she can just
feel him watching her door there. Yes, so he's aware
that someone is on the other side that door, and
she's just in full panic mode and everything. But I
don't understand why she didn't. Maybe she was like drinking,
I don't know, it was two am.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Maybe it was a coke that she was putting in
her Jamison.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah maybe, and so she didn't open the door or
anything like that, and she kind of just forgot about
it until Charles brought this up. So she talks to
police and she describes him as a young African American
male and it gives them a description.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yes, Adrianne was able to provide a sketch to police.
They sent it out to the public. They start receiving tips,
but nothing really panned out. They couldn't find the individual.
They looked into Pam's clientele, since she worked with mental
health and substance abuse clients. Maybe someone got angry, but
they couldn't find any connection to any people she worked with, and.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
They couldn't find anybody that matched this description in her
clientele list that looked like the sketch.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Now, police did have the drop of blood on the newspaper.
It did not match Pam. It did not match Charles.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
That was just another feather in Charles captain that he's hazy.
He didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
No. Police felt that if they could find the person
that left that drop of blood, they would find Pam's killer.
They logged that DNA profile into the code of database,
but they were unable to find a match. After looking
at all angles, the case became cold for several years.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yes, and by several we mean fifteen. Yes, it went
They just had they had talked to everybody in the
apartment complex. And it's just it's such a strange crime
because there was no clear motive that they could find.
They can't find anybody that hates Pam. They can't find
any client that's like obsessed with her, like angry. There's
(22:43):
no sexual component to it. There's no burglary besides the
shop back, which is weird. I don't know what somebody
wants with the shop back, you know, of all the things,
I'm sure Pam probably didn't have a lot of money
on her if she's like having to live in this apartment,
so maybe that.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Or maybe she does because she's not paying rent.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Maybe, but none of that stuff was missing. But also
they would have a hard time knowing I was thinking
about this, I was thinking they'd have a hard time
knowing what was missing though, because this Charles guy didn't
really know Pam. He didn't know what she had, He
didn't know how much money she had in her wallet
or anything that, so there could have been some component
of theft. Theft but there's no way to verify that
(23:24):
because the only person that knew what Pam had was Pam,
and she's she's gone.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
All right.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So this brings us all the way to November of
twenty seventeen. What were we doing in November twenty seventeen'stue?
What were we doing? Oh, we were probably starting this podcast.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well we get it in Gine.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Of twenty seventeen. Yeah, you know what I would really
like to do is go back and redo the Girl
Scout Murders, because that was our first episode.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Why do we got to redo it? It was golden.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
No, it was terrible. I even took it down. Nobody
could't even get no one. It's not even on the
list like episode one. I mean, I'm ashamed of most
of the early episodes, but I feel like we were
doing this in twenty seventeen. We were. Anyways, I'd love
to go back and do the Girl Scout Murders. Now
that we're a little bit more, we've got a better
(24:16):
audio situation. I'll tell you what, if we go back
and do the Girl Scout Murders again.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Why don't we just pay somebody to clean it up?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
No, if we go back and do the Girl Scout
murders again. I will post both Girl Scout murders at
the same time because the problem is now, if I
add that episode one, reput it back out there, it
triggers on everybody's stuff again. So then it notifies them
that there's a new episode.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Now everybody's going to go back and listen to it.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
So no, I shouldn't have Steward. There's a lot of
things I shouldn't have done.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I think it's on Spotify. I don't think there's anything
you can do about that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
No, it was never transferred over no somewhere.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's no, it's not. No, it's not I'm telling.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You it's not. But whatever, No, because I took it
off of the original pod when we used pod Bean,
I took it off of that one, and so they
wouldn't have when we moved to uh what are we
on now? Spreaker. When they moved a Spreaker, they did
not transfer. They only transferred what was published. So no,
and they put it on Spotify and all that stuff. Anyways,
(25:22):
So I think if we do the Girl Scout, I
got to rewrite it though, because I don't even know
where I can't even find what I wrote. I'm going
to have to redo the whole thing, which I can
do that, but I'm just telling you, guys, if I
do this, you cannot say anything bad about whatever comes
out of our mouths in the first if you re
listen to it now.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
They can.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
No, they can't.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And I'm asking them this long won't say nothing.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Okay, I'm begging you please bring that one back. Yeah.
So anyways, in two thousand, November twenty seventeen, we were
doing this podcast.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Well, well you actually just got back from coast to recordentally.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Uh oh we just got married. Oh yeah in October. Okay, yeah,
I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Wow, Well we've been together a long time. We've been
together fifteen years. So here we are fifteen years later.
There's it's just been a cold case. There's nothing really
they can even do about it. They've got this, they've
got it in codis and everything like that, but there's
no hits or anything. So police they finally, after all
(26:27):
these years, they finally get this break though, because it
is in kodis, so they're constantly compared. I guess the
system constantly is just all that. Like, they don't have
to redo anything. They don't have to push enter or anything.
I guess it's just constantly looking for unidentified profiles and
matching it with new profiles that come in. I think,
if somebody worked for the FBI out there, you know,
(26:48):
let us know. So the DNA profile hit on a
match in the FBI database, and it came back to
a thirty three year old male named Abdis Laroche.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, it's an interesting I knew a potolemy Sexton, which
I think, yeah, and in a marvelous Napoleon, But potolemy Sexton.
I think that's a really interesting name. Police are shocked
to find because he's only thirty three now it's been
fifteen years. They're shocked to find that this wasn't eighteen
(27:21):
year old that murdered Pam. I mean, you just it's like,
that's like young to be that brutal and stuff like that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Times.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, So they look into his background and they found
that he actually lived about a half mile from the
apartment complex at that time where Pam was staying. Now,
at the time of the murder, he never came up
as a suspect despite matching the description from the neighbor.
So they did go around and look for anyone in
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that vicinity that matched that description, but they don't know why.
But he never he never came up. But I don't
know if he was on the actual they found out
he was living there, but he wasn't like the like
the on the lease of the apartment, you know, so
they may have just missed even interviewing him or anything
(28:10):
like that.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, he was a half mile away, and there's plenty
of houses between, Yeah, the crime scene and where he lived.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, and it's there was From what they showed, it
looked like there was a lot of apartments in that area,
so there would have been a lot of people to
to talk to. Now even more surprising is that Abdis
had never been arrested for a violent crime. His DNA
ironically like he I mean, he nothing on his history
(28:37):
is violent. He actually ended up in Codis due to
a parole violation?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Codis? Why did I do that? Right? Why does that
all of a sudden look weird?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It is Codis, right, I believe.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
So, Okay, it started looking like COVID to me, so
threw me off a little bit, all right, So he
ends up Codis due to a parole of violation. Now
he was paroled after being arrested and charged. Was selling
bootleg DVDs.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Come on, abdus, Yeah, bootleg DVDs in twenty seventeen. Come on,
come on, Craig, Come on, Craig.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Anyways, this was I mean, this was twenty seventeen. I
feel like people had moved on from DVDs, not one
hundred percent like they have now.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But where's the money in bootleg DVDs? Then you're buying
them five dollars in the Walmart discount at this time,
not to.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Mention, although me and Stu have have learned, I mean,
we've realized that this was all a scam. They told
us to get rid of our DVDs, and they told
us how easy it would be to stream everything. Yes,
and now you need and to get rid of your
your your like cable and get rid of all this stuff.
And now all of a sudden, we have to have
like ten apps to find out where the movie is
and who has the rights to it. And so you
(29:49):
you got, We got rid of all of our DVDs,
and now here we are having to rent a three ninety.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Nine movie or purchase it for twelve ninety nine yes, yeah,
are the same thing. I went from cassette tapes, records, cassettes,
dav D rcades and now I can stream my music
if I pay a subscription. Yes, I'm very upset about
that as well.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And they've gone all the way back to records anyways,
which was from your time, wow, Grandpa. All right, So
he's out there selling bootleg DVDs. He gets arrested, he
gets charged, he gets paroled, and then on probation he
is caught with myth and that is actually how he
ended up in the code's database, not because he did
something violent, or at least that hasn't got caught doing
(30:33):
something violent.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's methed up.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yep, that is myth.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I got to throw it out there.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
To further confirm that it was abdist They compared his
high school photo to the sketch and it was strikingly close.
The girl had gotten it right on the money with
the description in the sketch. Now please, they bring abdists
in and interview him, and as soon as they mean
like he doesn't know what he's I mean, he's broke proles,
(30:57):
so he's he's been back in jail. He they mentioned
Pam and they mentioned the murder, and he gets extremely nervous,
like stuttering and everything just just all of a sudden,
his whole demeanor change. He stated, they're asking, you know,
did you do this? He denies any involvement and everything
(31:17):
like that, and so then they're like, Okay, let's hit
him with the hard facts, which is we found your
DNA in here, blah blah blah. And he says that
he was actually hired to remove trash from the apartment.
But this did not make sense to police at all,
Like Pam didn't. Pam didn't have hardly any belongings to
begin with, She wasn't even paying for electric didn't want
(31:39):
to pay for electricity, so she certainly wasn't going to
pay someone to come in and take trash out. He
did not work for the apartment complex, like, there's no
reason why he would be in there removing trash.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
And Charles would have known who stole his wetback had
that been the case, had he hired.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Him hired someone to take out take trash out, then
he would have been like, oh, yeah, that guy, and
he would have mentioned, you know, there was a guy
coming to take trash and he stole my wet back
and killed Pam. So none of this is making any sense.
So they, I mean, they know that he is completely lying,
and as he's continuing just to talk and talk and talk,
(32:16):
he should have just asked for a lawyer, but he
continues to talk, and he starts giving out details that
only the police would know and the killer would know
because he knew where the body was. He knew all
of this information. And the final nail in his coffin
was did I say that right? The final nail in
the coffin in.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
His coffin, Yes, but he's not really dead, so.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
No, he's not. The final nil in the coffin against
Abdis is that a friend of his called in and
said that Abdis told him all about this murder, gave
him all all of this information. He's told him that
Abdis was planning to rob Pam, but she woke up
(32:58):
and so he killed her. And now what's crazy is
the friend that that called in was a child at
the time. This was he he told him about it
in twenty twelve. He was in middle school. So this guy,
this grown ass man, is telling this middle school yeah,
how he killed this woman. And so at the time,
(33:18):
this kid's in middle school. He doesn't know to believe him.
He just kind of thinks he's just like saying some
shit or what. Yeah, and so he didn't really believe him.
But then whenever all of this comes out, he's like,
oh my god, because he probably remembered that story because
it was probably pretty shock shocking to a middle school
or that someone is telling this. And so now he's calling,
He's like, I know he did it because he said
(33:39):
he told me all about it. I just thought he
was just making things up at the time, because apparently
ab just was a bit of a aator. Yes, he
he you know, would exaggerate things, exaggerate things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
He would uh, what is the wordbellish?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Embellish, that's the one. He would say, little lies and
things like that. So he wasn't sure. He wasn't sure
if to believe him or not. But then now it's
they have the recording him saying he definitely did this.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
In May of twenty eighteen, Abdist was arrested and charged
with Pam's murder. However, the prosecution was concerned about getting
a guilty verdict, so they offered a plea deal. He
played guilty too involuntary manslaughter and burglary. He was sentenced
to forty years.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, they just I think they just didn't want a
chance somebody feeling sorry for him because he was eighteen
at the time. You know, you never know, you never know,
and it's all it's not all circumstantial. But they don't
really know one hundred percent why he did it. Things
are odd about it, but they did.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Slimy little defense attorney that said, yeah, she was gonna
have consensual section. That's why he was there and they
don't need anything. But she attacked him and he defended himself.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yes, kind of like last week's episode whenever they tried
to come up with that.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And then I think that part probably part of it
was because he was eighteen at the time. They just
didn't want someone saying, oh, well he.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Was young, he just a kid. Just made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, so they made when he stabbed her. Yeah, so
he's a boy anyway. That's what ted I think.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Is that what?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
No, that's not what. That's the thing. I've seen that
meme where it's like the lady, the old lady sitting
on the wet with the black cat and it's like
a good boy, Yes, you got a little jinky cat
on the bed with her. All right, well that is
our case for this week. STU, do you have a
(35:42):
yell need Jesus?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I always have a ye Jesus.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
All right, Well he's actually looking that up because locking
it up. Yes, I don't need to look nothing up
because we know he doesn't have.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It round to go.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I'm going to give you guys some fun facts about
the Titanic.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
What I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
So one of the things that they talk about is
one of the popular, you know, things about the Titanic
is that they did not have enough lifeboats to haul
all the people that were on the ship off. And
while that is technically true, they actually had four more
(36:21):
lifeboats than were required by British regulations. They had twenty lifeboats.
They had sixteen how they described it, they were like
full lifeboats, and then they had four extra that were
like stowaway lifeboats. So they actually had four more than
were required by law. And then also one of the
things about and you say, well, why would they only
(36:42):
require you to have like half as many as there
are people on the ship, and it's they did it
by tonnage, so you had to have lifeboats per tonnage,
and so they the laws would eventually catch up with
it with everything. But you know, as laws are, they
usually lag behind technology and improvements on things, because they
(37:03):
didn't expect this many people to be able to fit
on a ship, you know, and so by the tonnage,
they would have had, you know, not plenty of lifeboats,
but they would have had enough to This is the
other point not to they're not like lifeboats like we
think about today. So when you go on a cruise
ship or anything like that, there's lifeboats there and they
(37:25):
you know, they a bunch of people get in it,
and they're meant for you to go out on to
sea and be safe until help can come. Well, lifeboats
back in the back then were not meant to like
they are today, where you could like stay in them
for a couple of days or something like that. Lifeboats
back then there was so many ships going across the ocean.
(37:47):
It was almost like highway traffic, like there was always
going to be a ship, you know, close by, so
the and they never expected these these ships to sink
this fast. So the lifeboats were actually just meant to
ferry you from the ship that's sinking to the rescue
the ship nearby, because there's always tons of ships out there,
(38:07):
and then come back and pick up more people. So
that was the whole point of it. So while and
they now they did, the guy that came into the
safety inspections did recommend a few more lifeboats, but technically
they did. I'm not making excuses for the people. I'm
just telling I'm just telling the facts. I'm just telling
the facts, just the facts about how they actually had
(38:29):
enough lifeboats per the regulations. And at the time, what
was common was that these lifeboats would just ferry the
people and then come back and pick up more people.
And also it wouldn't have mattered the ship sank so quickly,
it would not have mattered. If they had all the
lifeboats that they needed for everybody, they would have never
(38:50):
been able to get them off of the ship in time. Anyways, However,
they did send plenty of ship, plenty of lifeboats out
that weren't full. They were sending them out so they
did like women and children first, but if there weren't
enough women and children, they were actually telling like if
you were a teenage boy like thirteen and older, you
were considered a man, and so they would like tell
you you can't get on the lifeboat. And the first
(39:14):
lifeboat was the richest one was like a bunch of
rich people. It only had twelve and it could.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Hold forty I would So that was like, that was.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Like not good. Are you there yet to do you need?
Are you got your y'all need Jesus ready? Or do
you guys want another fun fact? I got one coming,
I got them loaded up. Are you ready to do
or no? Okay, So we're gonna do another fun fact.
So you know, you know like Chase Bank, you know
JP Morgan Chase. So JP Morgan bought Chase I think
(39:46):
in two thousand and two or whatever. But the man
JP Morgan was quite the interesting fella. Yes, so he
actually purchased a White Star Oh a white what's white
star line? I've got the star line? Yeah, White Star Line,
which is the company, the ship building company that owned
(40:08):
the Titanic. So he actually bankrolled building of the Titanic
and the Olympia. I believe it was called because they
were basically identical ships. So he bankrolled paying for this.
So the JP Morgan guy from JP Morgan Chase, and
he was actually supposed to be on the ship. So
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he he was supposed to go on there and be
in like the nicest room and everything like that. Well,
he had a thirty year old mistress, nice and French mistress,
and so he wanted to hang out. He was seventy
two years old, so he wanted to hang out with
her a little bit longer. So he's like, never mind,
I don't really want to go on this fancy ass
ship that I built.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Before Viagra.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yes, so he didn't want to go on this fancy
ass ship anymore. He wanted to go hang out with
this thirty year old mistress, and so he'd actually was
supposed to be on the Titanic, but he was not. However,
it didn't save him that much because a year later
he died. I'm not sure how. It probably had to
do something with the.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Thirty year old mistress heart issues.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yes. Are you there? Yes too?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yes? Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (41:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Are you playing a gamer? Are you looking for a
damn y'all need? Jesus?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I got a y'all need Jesus. I don't know where
it went. It's in one of these open tabs. I
only got like five.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Okay, Well, what are the key words. Just type it
in there and I'll find it for you. It'll say
existing tab. Okay, let me think of another freaking fun
fact for you guys.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
He was way up here. Why isn't it way down
there where in my new tab?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I don't know. I don't know why they do it
like that. Do you have it?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
No? I ain't got it?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Okay. Another fun fact about the Titanic? What do we have? John?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:54):
So, there was an astor on board. He actually died,
John Jacob Astor.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
He actually died, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt. No.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Anyways, he actually asked to get on a lifeboat, and
some the guy actually turned him away. Even though he
was the richest man on the ship and the richest
one of the richest men in the entire world. He
was actually told no, he could not get on the lifeboats.
He did not make it on that the fancy expensive
one at the beginning. Are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready, Okay,
all right, that's all I gofer you maybe until next
(42:24):
week when I finished this.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I don't know if I should do this one first
or the follow up to the other one first.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
No, just do one. I got to get to beds.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Do a few man, No Pritchett, Are you ready? Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
So?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Man with ankle monitor tells deputies he can't go to
jail because he has a curfew, as do I. Florida
or Not Florida, Florida Fox thirteen, Tampa Bay of Course
by Nancy Gay, published January twenty nine, twenty twenty five,
win or Haven, Florida. Winter Haven man who was on probation,
(43:01):
is back behind bars after deputies say he interfered with
a first responder at the scene of a car crash.
Here's the backstory. According to Nancy, deputies with Pope County
Sheriff's Office were investigating a vehicle crash at Winter Lake
Road and Brandy Chase Boulevard around nine to twenty five
(43:21):
pm on Tuesday, when they said a twenty three year
old Sebastian Angel Suarez approached the scene and asked, yo,
what the fuck happened. The deputy said, he stopped what
he was doing, turned to Suarez and explained it was
a crash and that everyone appeared to be doing all right. However,
(43:42):
according to Pope County Sheriff's Office, Suarez got within a
foot of the deputy and angrily snapped back. No shit,
A car crash happened. Who hit who? The deputy said
he told Suarez to step the fuck back so deputies
could work. Suarez yelled, fuck, thank you. You can't tell
me what to do.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Did they write the F word in this article?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
No, it's a bunch of astroisk I'm just deciphering it.
The deputy said. He explained to Suarez that he was
impeding the deputy's work and then he needed to move
back or he would be arrested. Suarez said, I'm on
an ankle monitor with a curfew. You can't do shit.
You can't take me anywhere. According to deputy, Suarez continue
(44:26):
to act out and was uncooperative. He was arrested and
charged with violation of probation, wilful child abuse. I don't
know where that came from, interfering with a first responder,
and two counts of resisting arrest now, Suarez said. After
his arrival at jail, deputy said that Suarez had calmed
(44:47):
down and explained that a relative of his was involved
in the crash that the deputies were investigating. And there's
a law, a halo law in Florida makes it illegal
to come within twenty five feet of first responders if
the intent is to impede, threaten, or harass them. People
who violate this law can be charged with a misdemeanor
(45:08):
or face up to sixty days in jail.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
So that's probably to discourage all these people that want
to bring out their phone and record law enforcement, like
right up close, whether you're in the middle of something.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Trying to do CPR and shitting there.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Well, no, not even that, just like if they're trying
to arrest somebody and somebody's like, we're gonna record you
doing everything blah blah blah, and then everything at that,
which most of the police have body cams now that
you can play back anyways. All right, Stu, thank you
for the y'all need Jesus.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Do you want to see my eye?
Speaker 1 (45:40):
No, I don't want to see your eye. Stop it,
stew I'm not looking at.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
You looking to my eye.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
The shadow is like, what is wrong with you? You're gonna
hurt yourself. Stop what is wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (45:52):
I'm just showing you my eye.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I don't want to see any part of you right now. Wow,
You're you're one eyed monster. You're your patch your wonky.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Are wonky and sticky?
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Stop all right, that's a circa twenty eleven Stu and
Kara Joe. Do not just stop whatever you're gonna say,
Just stop, all right. Thank you for all the new patrons.
Thank you for all the new reviews. We really appreciate it.
Thank you for Facebook, thank you for thank you for Alice.
(46:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
You wouldn't have nothing to talk about, what I know.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Thank you for Alice and the Titanic because without them
I would be lost. And I think that's all. And
we'll try to get one out on time next week.
So this is all Stew's fault.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
This is not my fault. It's your fault for punching
me in the eye and detaching my retina.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
That is not even remotely true what happened. Although his
dad wanted to take a picture of me, pretended.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
To where is that picture out there?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
So the day that this happened, so Stu had to
have a huge like bandage on his eye or whatever.
So his dad maybe post like I was punching Stew.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
And take a picture because domestic violence is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yes, so any Stu did not mean that. Please don't
write us an angry letter. All right, well, I guess it.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Will stark out. Anybody listening right now gets started out.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Okay, anyways, I guess we will see you next time.
Buy everyone say bye. Stuck.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Don't you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shot midnapping,
else is working. It's pretty learning sick. This worthy can
Hey, everyone, welcome to bless This Mess on the True
Ground podcast. Don't care here? What's tusa? Hay Stu? Right,
all right, we are back and this week we are
going to Georgia. We were also back in the closet,
and not the same way stew was in nineteen eighty three. Wow,
I'm kidding. We are back in the closet. If anybody's
been around since the beginning of time, they remember that.
(00:44):
We used to record in our closet in our old house.
This was two houses ago and there was no vent
or anything in there, so we used to just get
like we would just sweat. Yes, it was miserable and
we were drinking quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So we had no children to know, no children.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And so we're back in the closet because, as we
mentioned last week, Stu had eye sur eye surgery, his
retina was detached, so that has been reattached with I
believe duct tape. That's the Midland special. So it has
been reattached. So we are we are day late on this.
(01:23):
But we also my father in law is here and
Stu's dead anyway, so obviously no one knows we do this,
so we have to record sneakily in the closet because
the guest bedroom where he's sleeping is on the other
side of the wall of the office where we normally record.
(01:44):
And this is a D. R. Horton special. The walls
are paper thin. People, we can hear. You can hear everything.
Like the baby's on the other side of this wall
and she is still awake, but she's just chit chatting
with herself. She's just yeah, yeah, yeah in there, so
you might hear a couple baby, but it's we gotta
keep on moving because I gotta I gotta get to beds.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Do I gotta get to bed too? I gotta heal.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yes, yes, STU looks like a pirate.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Do you want want to take the eye patch off?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
No? I can't even look at him without the eye
patch on because his eye is so red. I can't.
I'm thinking about it. I'm getting my eyes are short
in the water. So just like looking I'm sure most
people like this. If you look at somebody that has
like eye problems, like a runny eye, it just makes
your eyes water. Well, that's how looking at him is.
So I got him an eye patch.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Are and so give me some booty.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I knew you were gonna say that anyways, apologies in advance.
The setup is a little wonky in here, as is
Stu's eye so you might hear some chords hitting the
microphone thing. So we're gonna try not to have that happen.
But we don't have our table, we don't have our
normal thing. I mean, our normal setup isn't great, but.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
This one is really not great.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It's really not good. If you can picture this stew
in an eye patch, sitting in a what are these
chairs chairs, fold out chairs like you take to like
a soccer match or like a kid's sporting event or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I don't know, Stu it, I was going to go
to a soccer match in this.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
House, maybe two dy one day. He certainly can't kick
a ball. He might be because I found out there's
indoor soccer at the YMCA, and that's right up my alley.
It's indoors.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
No shit, it's hot.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Are so picture this who he's sitting there with his
eye patch in a fold out raging Cajun chair with
a microphone between his legs.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
That's why we're calling it now. I kind of.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Stepped into that one, all right. So that is the setup.
That is what's going on. We are hoping to have
another episode next week as well, just timing and stuff.
But now that his eyes should be better, he just
had the surgery Monday, So anything else going on with
the stew. Now I'm listening to a podcast recommendation, uh,
(04:06):
the Titanic Ship of Dreams. Very interesting. I'm learning so
much about the Titanic, Stew.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I thought you knew everything there was to know about it.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know, I was really into the Titanic back in
like nineteen ninety seven when the movie Titanic came out,
and so I got real invested in it, into getting
Titanic books. My mom took me to Blockbuster on whenever
the video tape, the VA show tape was released. I
still have all of that stuff. But I got real
(04:35):
into the Titanic back then, and I'm rediscovering my love
of the Titanic, and I'm learning all sorts of new things.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Because you're a sick motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Why oh no, We're into Like on the podcast episode,
we just got done with how everybody died and.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Then by drownd spoiler alert.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well there was It's no they were wearing a lot
of them were wearing cork life fest so they actually
dive from hypothermia.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's do yes, okay, drowning, And yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
They didn't all die like Jack Dawson, just you know,
because Rose wouldn't make room for him on that on
that piece of wood.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And then she never sold the diamond to help her family.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I know, don't even Yeah, Okay, back then I was
really into that movie. But when you now as an adult, look,
I'm like, what a bitch her granddaughter hold her ass
out to that damn boat with that one guy ogling
her and gonna throw that that freaking diamond in the
ocean whenever she could have set her her granddaughter up
for life. And that poor guy been searching his whole
(05:39):
life for this and everything, and this bitch just throws
it overboard and then goes to sleep and dies.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Two worst villains and Rose and Jenny from Gufora's Gump.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Okay, well we can argue on that one later, but
now she's terrible anyway, So highly recommend that podcast. What's dord?
What do you?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Did your eyes? Saying something over there?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
If you don't stop with messing with me, I'm just
going to take this eye patch off for the rest
of this podcast.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Okay, all right, Patreon, we appreciate we got a couple
of new Patreons. We really appreciate you guys.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Bagging you shall receive yes reviews.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
We appreciate you guys are bearing Alice down, although she
did make it to the Facebook page and wrote a
review there as well about how terrible we are. So
it's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Now we know what Alice looks like.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I know, why would you why I write a terrible
review on Facebook where you can, like, like, everyone can
see everything about you. I'm not that brave, but apparently
she she thinks we're terrible enough to risk it, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Risk it for the biscuit, So well, we're not that
petty to go.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
No, I did click on her stuff. I clicked on
her thing, and she shared it to her Facebook page
like you can see it because she doesn't have anything
set to private, so she shared her review of us
on our Nobody liked it, though, so we're fine. Oh Alice,
all right, It wouldn't be crazy if she was still
listening just to see how terrible we are.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But see if we talked about her, Yeah, and we have.
She lives in our heads.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yes, and she has it. She's just two episodes now.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, some of the worst reviews we talk about for long.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I know it's because I have to talk about them
so my feelings don't get hurt.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, we haven't had one this bad in a while, so.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, one star hasn't happened in a while. And also
I did. What happened was I was going to correct
the ads, like the placement, like the one review said
last time, but I've said it to auto release, and
then I forgot to go back and fix it. So
I'm not gonna probably not gonna remember this time either,
but I will remember one day to go fix the
placement of the ads. All right, Facebook, Instagram, appreciate you
(07:49):
and buy us a coffee, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So with all that.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Nonsense that I do, no further ado, Yes, let's get
into this week's case out of Georgia, all right. Pamela Chrysler,
who went by Pam, was born March sixteenth, nineteen fifty three,
in Georgia to Seaborn and Lois Chrysler.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I like that, Seaborn. Can we have another boy? Nam him? Seaborn? No,
why not?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I'm not not after ill, just what I've listened to
about the Titanic. We're not putting sea in anything. Pam
was described.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
What I was gonna make a seaman joke.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, yeah, it's not the time or nor the place, Stuart,
all right. Pam was described as a caring person and
she was always ready to help family and friends. She
even took in her nephew after he graduated college and
just kind of became a mentor to him and just
really helped him out. So that was just her personality
was to help people. Pam worked as a counselor in
(08:51):
substance abuse and mental health. Now. She worked hard to
build up her practice in a small town in Georgia.
Her patients loved her so much that when she decided
to move to the big town of Athens, Georgia, she
was trying to grow her business and just expand. Some
of her patients even came with her, driving one to
two hours just to come still be seen by Pam.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Well, that was a loyal clientele.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well, I'll talk about it a little bit later because
I did read an article Pam did. Maybe didn't have
it quite together that much, but anyways, we'll talk about
it when the time comes. Not to say anything bad
about the victims, Alice, but just we got to paint
the picture as it is, as it is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Just laugh about it.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Stewart's shut up.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
On August twenty first, two thousand and two, the manager
at an apartment complex started receiving complaints about a bad
odor coming from an apartment. The manager went to check
out what could be causing the smell.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Don't ever investigate, guys, just.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, you got to if you're the apartment manager.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I try to investigate any odors coming from Stuart.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, I try not to with you, but you Dutch Oven.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh that is so not even true, and you are
so offensive right now, that is not even remotely true.
I don't do such things.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
He knocks, but no one answers, so he enters the apartment.
Inside the apartment, lying on the bedroom floor was the
body of a woman, with a sheet covering her partially.
The manager calls nine to one one and police arrive
on the scene. They can guess by the decom composition,
hard word, and odor that the woman had been dead
(10:38):
for anywhere between three to five days. Near the body,
they find a large amount of blood. They also find
blood spatter on the walls and carpet. The crime scene
looked like the victim died in a very brutal way,
and it was clearly not a person who died from
natural causes.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, yeah, because you got to think about that. If
you find I'm sure the manager has, if he's been
doing this for long enough, you're going to come across
someone who possibly died naturally in their apartment and didn't
have anybody around to come check on them, and then
they find it. This was clearly not that type of thing,
so they had to get the homicide unit in there.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
The woman was wearing underwear and her clothes were pushed
up near her head. There were no signs of forced entry. However,
the backsliding glass door was unlocked. There was no evidence
of any items being stolen. Based on the state of undress,
sexual assault would likely be the motive. The bedroom was
in disarray where she had fought. The attacker had most
(11:37):
likely surprised her or he came upon her while she
was sleeping. They're guessing that he got in the house
somehow and she was not aware. So it wasn't like
they didn't think it was somebody she knew. No murder
weapon was found on the scene, and autopsy would later
find that she had been stabbed twenty times. However, they
did not find any signs of rape, which seemed to
(11:59):
indicate another mon.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, it kind of was confusing for them because they
just looking at it. They would that's where they thought
it was going, and then now there's nothing stolen, there's
no signs of rape, and now this woman is just stabbing. Yeah,
I've been murdered in her apartment, So that could point
to a personal matter though, for because that is overkilled
twenty times, stabbing someone and nothing being stolen.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They recovered any fingerprints they could and DNA samples from
the apartment. There was a random blood drop on a
newspaper that they believed would have come from the killer
due to its positioning.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, so they were they didn't know if it came
from the killer or there was blood from her that
dropped on it, But it was on a newspaper that
was laying on a table outside of the area where
she was murdered, so it obviously was not her that
did it. So they're hoping this is actually a blood
drop from the killer so they can get a DNA profile.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, they were basically hoping it cut himself during.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That during the struggle. Yeah, now police are a little
confused on the identity of the victim because the apartment
was actually not least to a woman at all. It
was actually least to an unmarried man named Charles Elam.
Now police need now need to track down this Charles
and ask him why why is there a dead woman
(13:22):
in your apartment? This is this isn't good, dude, You
need to explain yourself. So police began asking around the
neighbors who said that Charles was a bit of a
recluse and he didn't seem to interact with you know, anybody,
any neighbors or anything much. So please start blasting his
picture all over town. And they are able to track
him down after a family member called him and told
(13:44):
him that the police were looking for Like, hey, bro, dude, yeah,
you need to get they're looking for you.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Charles was actually in Florida at the time working a
construction job. Now, when he found out that there was
a woman found in his apartment dead, he was actually
they said, he was very upset. He was able to
provide an idea of the woman and it was Pam Chrysler.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Now, obviously police are wondering how Charles ended up with
Pam in his apartment and she's deceased. He told them
he had recently befriended her and allowed her to stay
in his apartment because he was going to be out
of town in Florida for an extended period of time
working his construction job. He told them he was not
(14:29):
romantically involved and it was just a simple thing where
he had met her and she needed somewhere to stay
short term, and she could basically watch his apartment for him,
do some house sitting.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yes, he was doing illegal subletting. Probably, Yes, This is
where I was going to bring in something about Pam.
And isn't the name of a podcast something about Pam?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I have no idea. There's three and a half million podcasts,
so I'm quite.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Sure there's probably one called something about Pam. So Pam.
They did write in a newspaper article that she I
think the reason that she's staying at this random guy's
house or apartment is because she had a previous landlord
said that she owed twenty one two and forty five
dollars in back rent and had been evictor or like
(15:17):
she skipped out on it, So I think that's probably
why she had to get this kind of situation when
she moved.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Nobody rented. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
And then also in that article they stated that Pam
was did dabble in scientology and like astrological readings, you know,
like psychic readings. So she was a bit of.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
A free spirit.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, she was a free spirit. She had she didn't.
She can't have the man holding her down with these
stupid rent and when she's got you know, fortunes to
tell she charged one hundred dollars. Yes, yeah, the guy
said that he paid one hundred dollars for her to
read his signs.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Or whatever astrological chart, yes or whatever. Yees. So she's
a bit of this she was doing.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
She's a bit of a free free spirit in that
regards that could not rent an apartment.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It happens to the best of us.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Okay, well, you got a bad enough credit score, she
doesn't even have to have it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
We got you, Pam, We know things happened.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Charles said that he would call and talk to Pam
every few days, but she had stopped taking his calls.
The last time he spoke to her was August seventeenth,
at around eleven pm. This does fall into the timeline
of how long they thought she had been dead. He
also told police an interesting tidbit about how she would
sleep with the sliding glass door open to stay comfortable
(16:50):
at night. Police found this odd that he mentioned this
specific detail.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, without them trauding him, and he and they knew
the sliding glass door was unlocked, and then he's talking
about it. But that means that the home, So it
was about it was August in Georgia, so high humidity
in the nineties, probably even at nighttime. So this was
and I guess she probably he probably told her. She
(17:15):
he said that he didn't want her to be uncomfortable,
but he, I mean, he's not going to pay for
her to ac herself, you know, all day long, because
that's expensive. So she probably had to keep the electure,
the like utility bills down.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I can't even imagine August, Georgia mosquitoes.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, police also didn't help with the decomposition of the
body as.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well, know all that heat coming in. Police asked him
why he had not contacted the manager when he had
not heard from Pam in almost a week, and he
didn't really have any answers for that. They also found
that he had not been in Florida the whole time.
People had seen him back in Georgia when he said
he was gone. Charles denied any involvement, but police needed
(17:59):
to check into the exact time he was in Florida.
They were able to verify through multiple people that he
had been out of town when Pam when they think
Pam was killed.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, so he's not the most reliable person in terms
of saying but at that specific time he wasn't there,
but he wasn't him just saying I was out of
town this whole time. They're like, no, you weren't. Also,
this is a strange situation, strange, strange fellas, strange situation
(18:32):
that this you know, forty something year old woman is
now just crashing at this guy's apartment that she doesn't
really know and they're not romantically involved or anything. Just
happened to come. They didn't say how they met or
anything like that, but it's just it isn't it's a
bit of an odd situation. Now police are back to
square one with no suspects, no hard evidence to point
(18:56):
them in the right direction, and when speaking to Pam's
family and friends. They couldn't identify anyone that would want
to hurt Pam. Yes, she was quirky, but she didn't
have any enemies. She didn't have any like love interest
that had gone wrong or anything like that. Now, Charles,
he was in his apartment. After he got back into
(19:16):
his apartment and everything like that, he notices that there's
a large wetvac that was missing because he's in construction,
so he noticed that this this wetvac was missing out
of the closet and so he let police know. Well,
Charles was also kind of he was a little bit
of a.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yes, he was even asking about getting the blood he
whenever the police were done in the apartment, he's left
with this giant bloodstain. He was even asking around how
he could get it tested and all this stuff. Like
he was turned to a little amateur detective on him.
So he takes matters into his own hands, and you
know what, this was helpful, though he didn't end up helping.
So he starts asking neighbors around about Pam because he's
(19:57):
just at his apartment. So now he's got all the
time in the world go chit chat with everybody so,
and he's speaking to a neighbor named Adrian, and he
found that she recalled seeing a guy pulling a shop
back out of the apartment, and she didn't actually when
police had had spoken to all the neighbors, but she
didn't remember this until Charles was making small talk with
(20:17):
her and said, yeah, the shopback's missing. And she's like,
oh my god, I forgot that this happened because it
was around uh, it was around two o'clock in the morning,
and it was that night and she's just found it
very very odd and everything that. But of course she
wasn't gonna open the door. But she said she actually
cracked a coke while she was looking out the peopole
(20:39):
and the guy that had the shopback that was coming
down the hall or whatever, looks up at the door
and so she like freezes because she's she can just
feel him watching her door there. Yes, so he's aware
that someone is on the other side that door, and
she's just in full panic mode and everything. But I
don't understand why she didn't. Maybe she was like drinking,
I don't know, it was two am.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Maybe it was a coke that she was putting in
her Jamison.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah maybe, and so she didn't open the door or
anything like that, and she kind of just forgot about
it until Charles brought this up. So she talks to
police and she describes him as a young African American
male and it gives them a description.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yes, Adrianne was able to provide a sketch to police.
They sent it out to the public. They start receiving tips,
but nothing really panned out. They couldn't find the individual.
They looked into Pam's clientele, since she worked with mental
health and substance abuse clients. Maybe someone got angry, but
they couldn't find any connection to any people she worked with, and.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
They couldn't find anybody that matched this description in her
clientele list that looked like the sketch.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Now, police did have the drop of blood on the newspaper.
It did not match Pam. It did not match Charles.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
That was just another feather in Charles captain that he's hazy.
He didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
No. Police felt that if they could find the person
that left that drop of blood, they would find Pam's killer.
They logged that DNA profile into the code of database,
but they were unable to find a match. After looking
at all angles, the case became cold for several years.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yes, and by several we mean fifteen. Yes, it went
They just had they had talked to everybody in the
apartment complex. And it's just it's such a strange crime
because there was no clear motive that they could find.
They can't find anybody that hates Pam. They can't find
any client that's like obsessed with her, like angry. There's
(22:43):
no sexual component to it. There's no burglary besides the
shop back, which is weird. I don't know what somebody
wants with the shop back, you know, of all the things,
I'm sure Pam probably didn't have a lot of money
on her if she's like having to live in this apartment,
so maybe that.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Or maybe she does because she's not paying rent.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Maybe, but none of that stuff was missing. But also
they would have a hard time knowing I was thinking
about this, I was thinking they'd have a hard time
knowing what was missing though, because this Charles guy didn't
really know Pam. He didn't know what she had, He
didn't know how much money she had in her wallet
or anything that, so there could have been some component
of theft. Theft but there's no way to verify that
(23:24):
because the only person that knew what Pam had was Pam,
and she's she's gone.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
All right.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So this brings us all the way to November of
twenty seventeen. What were we doing in November twenty seventeen'stue?
What were we doing? Oh, we were probably starting this podcast.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well we get it in Gine.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Of twenty seventeen. Yeah, you know what I would really
like to do is go back and redo the Girl
Scout Murders, because that was our first episode.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Why do we got to redo it? It was golden.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
No, it was terrible. I even took it down. Nobody
could't even get no one. It's not even on the
list like episode one. I mean, I'm ashamed of most
of the early episodes, but I feel like we were
doing this in twenty seventeen. We were. Anyways, I'd love
to go back and do the Girl Scout Murders. Now
that we're a little bit more, we've got a better
(24:16):
audio situation. I'll tell you what, if we go back
and do the Girl Scout Murders again.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Why don't we just pay somebody to clean it up?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
No, if we go back and do the Girl Scout
murders again. I will post both Girl Scout murders at
the same time because the problem is now, if I
add that episode one, reput it back out there, it
triggers on everybody's stuff again. So then it notifies them
that there's a new episode.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Now everybody's going to go back and listen to it.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
So no, I shouldn't have Steward. There's a lot of
things I shouldn't have done.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I think it's on Spotify. I don't think there's anything
you can do about that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
No, it was never transferred over no somewhere.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's no, it's not. No, it's not I'm telling.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
You it's not. But whatever, No, because I took it
off of the original pod when we used pod Bean,
I took it off of that one, and so they
wouldn't have when we moved to uh what are we
on now? Spreaker. When they moved a Spreaker, they did
not transfer. They only transferred what was published. So no,
and they put it on Spotify and all that stuff. Anyways,
(25:22):
So I think if we do the Girl Scout, I
got to rewrite it though, because I don't even know
where I can't even find what I wrote. I'm going
to have to redo the whole thing, which I can
do that, but I'm just telling you, guys, if I
do this, you cannot say anything bad about whatever comes
out of our mouths in the first if you re
listen to it now.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
They can.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
No, they can't.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And I'm asking them this long won't say nothing.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Okay, I'm begging you please bring that one back. Yeah.
So anyways, in two thousand, November twenty seventeen, we were
doing this podcast.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Well, well you actually just got back from coast to recordentally.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Uh oh we just got married. Oh yeah in October. Okay, yeah,
I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Wow, Well we've been together a long time. We've been
together fifteen years. So here we are fifteen years later.
There's it's just been a cold case. There's nothing really
they can even do about it. They've got this, they've
got it in codis and everything like that, but there's
no hits or anything. So police they finally, after all
(26:27):
these years, they finally get this break though, because it
is in kodis, so they're constantly compared. I guess the
system constantly is just all that. Like, they don't have
to redo anything. They don't have to push enter or anything.
I guess it's just constantly looking for unidentified profiles and
matching it with new profiles that come in. I think,
if somebody worked for the FBI out there, you know,
(26:48):
let us know. So the DNA profile hit on a
match in the FBI database, and it came back to
a thirty three year old male named Abdis Laroche.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, it's an interesting I knew a potolemy Sexton, which
I think, yeah, and in a marvelous Napoleon, But potolemy Sexton.
I think that's a really interesting name. Police are shocked
to find because he's only thirty three now it's been
fifteen years. They're shocked to find that this wasn't eighteen
(27:21):
year old that murdered Pam. I mean, you just it's like,
that's like young to be that brutal and stuff like that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Times.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, So they look into his background and they found
that he actually lived about a half mile from the
apartment complex at that time where Pam was staying. Now,
at the time of the murder, he never came up
as a suspect despite matching the description from the neighbor.
So they did go around and look for anyone in
(27:49):
that vicinity that matched that description, but they don't know why.
But he never he never came up. But I don't
know if he was on the actual they found out
he was living there, but he wasn't like the like
the on the lease of the apartment, you know, so
they may have just missed even interviewing him or anything
(28:10):
like that.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, he was a half mile away, and there's plenty
of houses between, Yeah, the crime scene and where he lived.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, and it's there was From what they showed, it
looked like there was a lot of apartments in that area,
so there would have been a lot of people to
to talk to. Now even more surprising is that Abdis
had never been arrested for a violent crime. His DNA
ironically like he I mean, he nothing on his history
(28:37):
is violent. He actually ended up in Codis due to
a parole violation?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Codis? Why did I do that? Right? Why does that
all of a sudden look weird?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It is Codis, right, I believe.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
So, Okay, it started looking like COVID to me, so
threw me off a little bit, all right, So he
ends up Codis due to a parole of violation. Now
he was paroled after being arrested and charged. Was selling
bootleg DVDs.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Come on, abdus, Yeah, bootleg DVDs in twenty seventeen. Come on,
come on, Craig, Come on, Craig.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Anyways, this was I mean, this was twenty seventeen. I
feel like people had moved on from DVDs, not one
hundred percent like they have now.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But where's the money in bootleg DVDs? Then you're buying
them five dollars in the Walmart discount at this time,
not to.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Mention, although me and Stu have have learned, I mean,
we've realized that this was all a scam. They told
us to get rid of our DVDs, and they told
us how easy it would be to stream everything. Yes,
and now you need and to get rid of your
your your like cable and get rid of all this stuff.
And now all of a sudden, we have to have
like ten apps to find out where the movie is
and who has the rights to it. And so you
(29:49):
you got, We got rid of all of our DVDs,
and now here we are having to rent a three ninety.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Nine movie or purchase it for twelve ninety nine yes, yeah,
are the same thing. I went from cassette tapes, records, cassettes,
dav D rcades and now I can stream my music
if I pay a subscription. Yes, I'm very upset about
that as well.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And they've gone all the way back to records anyways,
which was from your time, wow, Grandpa. All right, So
he's out there selling bootleg DVDs. He gets arrested, he
gets charged, he gets paroled, and then on probation he
is caught with myth and that is actually how he
ended up in the code's database, not because he did
something violent, or at least that hasn't got caught doing
(30:33):
something violent.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's methed up.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yep, that is myth.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I got to throw it out there.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
To further confirm that it was abdist They compared his
high school photo to the sketch and it was strikingly close.
The girl had gotten it right on the money with
the description in the sketch. Now please, they bring abdists
in and interview him, and as soon as they mean
like he doesn't know what he's I mean, he's broke proles,
(30:57):
so he's he's been back in jail. He they mentioned
Pam and they mentioned the murder, and he gets extremely nervous,
like stuttering and everything just just all of a sudden,
his whole demeanor change. He stated, they're asking, you know,
did you do this? He denies any involvement and everything
(31:17):
like that, and so then they're like, Okay, let's hit
him with the hard facts, which is we found your
DNA in here, blah blah blah. And he says that
he was actually hired to remove trash from the apartment.
But this did not make sense to police at all,
Like Pam didn't. Pam didn't have hardly any belongings to
begin with, She wasn't even paying for electric didn't want
(31:39):
to pay for electricity, so she certainly wasn't going to
pay someone to come in and take trash out. He
did not work for the apartment complex, like, there's no
reason why he would be in there removing trash.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
And Charles would have known who stole his wetback had
that been the case, had he hired.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Him hired someone to take out take trash out, then
he would have been like, oh, yeah, that guy, and
he would have mentioned, you know, there was a guy
coming to take trash and he stole my wet back
and killed Pam. So none of this is making any sense.
So they, I mean, they know that he is completely lying,
and as he's continuing just to talk and talk and talk,
(32:16):
he should have just asked for a lawyer, but he
continues to talk, and he starts giving out details that
only the police would know and the killer would know
because he knew where the body was. He knew all
of this information. And the final nail in his coffin
was did I say that right? The final nail in
the coffin in.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
His coffin, Yes, but he's not really dead, so.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
No, he's not. The final nil in the coffin against
Abdis is that a friend of his called in and
said that Abdis told him all about this murder, gave
him all all of this information. He's told him that
Abdis was planning to rob Pam, but she woke up
(32:58):
and so he killed her. And now what's crazy is
the friend that that called in was a child at
the time. This was he he told him about it
in twenty twelve. He was in middle school. So this guy,
this grown ass man, is telling this middle school yeah,
how he killed this woman. And so at the time,
(33:18):
this kid's in middle school. He doesn't know to believe him.
He just kind of thinks he's just like saying some
shit or what. Yeah, and so he didn't really believe him.
But then whenever all of this comes out, he's like,
oh my god, because he probably remembered that story because
it was probably pretty shock shocking to a middle school
or that someone is telling this. And so now he's calling,
He's like, I know he did it because he said
(33:39):
he told me all about it. I just thought he
was just making things up at the time, because apparently
ab just was a bit of a aator. Yes, he
he you know, would exaggerate things, exaggerate things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
He would uh, what is the wordbellish?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Embellish, that's the one. He would say, little lies and
things like that. So he wasn't sure. He wasn't sure
if to believe him or not. But then now it's
they have the recording him saying he definitely did this.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
In May of twenty eighteen, Abdist was arrested and charged
with Pam's murder. However, the prosecution was concerned about getting
a guilty verdict, so they offered a plea deal. He
played guilty too involuntary manslaughter and burglary. He was sentenced
to forty years.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, they just I think they just didn't want a
chance somebody feeling sorry for him because he was eighteen
at the time. You know, you never know, you never know,
and it's all it's not all circumstantial. But they don't
really know one hundred percent why he did it. Things
are odd about it, but they did.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Slimy little defense attorney that said, yeah, she was gonna
have consensual section. That's why he was there and they
don't need anything. But she attacked him and he defended himself.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yes, kind of like last week's episode whenever they tried
to come up with that.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And then I think that part probably part of it
was because he was eighteen at the time. They just
didn't want someone saying, oh, well he.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Was young, he just a kid. Just made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, so they made when he stabbed her. Yeah, so
he's a boy anyway. That's what ted I think.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Is that what?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
No, that's not what. That's the thing. I've seen that
meme where it's like the lady, the old lady sitting
on the wet with the black cat and it's like
a good boy, Yes, you got a little jinky cat
on the bed with her. All right, well that is
our case for this week. STU, do you have a
(35:42):
yell need Jesus?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I always have a ye Jesus.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
All right, Well he's actually looking that up because locking
it up. Yes, I don't need to look nothing up
because we know he doesn't have.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It round to go.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I'm going to give you guys some fun facts about
the Titanic.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
What I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
So one of the things that they talk about is
one of the popular, you know, things about the Titanic
is that they did not have enough lifeboats to haul
all the people that were on the ship off. And
while that is technically true, they actually had four more
(36:21):
lifeboats than were required by British regulations. They had twenty lifeboats.
They had sixteen how they described it, they were like
full lifeboats, and then they had four extra that were
like stowaway lifeboats. So they actually had four more than
were required by law. And then also one of the
things about and you say, well, why would they only
(36:42):
require you to have like half as many as there
are people on the ship, and it's they did it
by tonnage, so you had to have lifeboats per tonnage,
and so they the laws would eventually catch up with
it with everything. But you know, as laws are, they
usually lag behind technology and improvements on things, because they
(37:03):
didn't expect this many people to be able to fit
on a ship, you know, and so by the tonnage,
they would have had, you know, not plenty of lifeboats,
but they would have had enough to This is the
other point not to they're not like lifeboats like we
think about today. So when you go on a cruise
ship or anything like that, there's lifeboats there and they
(37:25):
you know, they a bunch of people get in it,
and they're meant for you to go out on to
sea and be safe until help can come. Well, lifeboats
back in the back then were not meant to like
they are today, where you could like stay in them
for a couple of days or something like that. Lifeboats
back then there was so many ships going across the ocean.
(37:47):
It was almost like highway traffic, like there was always
going to be a ship, you know, close by, so
the and they never expected these these ships to sink
this fast. So the lifeboats were actually just meant to
ferry you from the ship that's sinking to the rescue
the ship nearby, because there's always tons of ships out there,
(38:07):
and then come back and pick up more people. So
that was the whole point of it. So while and
they now they did, the guy that came into the
safety inspections did recommend a few more lifeboats, but technically
they did. I'm not making excuses for the people. I'm
just telling I'm just telling the facts. I'm just telling
the facts, just the facts about how they actually had
(38:29):
enough lifeboats per the regulations. And at the time, what
was common was that these lifeboats would just ferry the
people and then come back and pick up more people.
And also it wouldn't have mattered the ship sank so quickly,
it would not have mattered. If they had all the
lifeboats that they needed for everybody, they would have never
(38:50):
been able to get them off of the ship in time. Anyways, However,
they did send plenty of ship, plenty of lifeboats out
that weren't full. They were sending them out so they
did like women and children first, but if there weren't
enough women and children, they were actually telling like if
you were a teenage boy like thirteen and older, you
were considered a man, and so they would like tell
you you can't get on the lifeboat. And the first
(39:14):
lifeboat was the richest one was like a bunch of
rich people. It only had twelve and it could.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Hold forty I would So that was like, that was.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Like not good. Are you there yet to do you need?
Are you got your y'all need Jesus ready? Or do
you guys want another fun fact? I got one coming,
I got them loaded up. Are you ready to do
or no? Okay, So we're gonna do another fun fact.
So you know, you know like Chase Bank, you know
JP Morgan Chase. So JP Morgan bought Chase I think
(39:46):
in two thousand and two or whatever. But the man
JP Morgan was quite the interesting fella. Yes, so he
actually purchased a White Star Oh a white what's white
star line? I've got the star line? Yeah, White Star Line,
which is the company, the ship building company that owned
(40:08):
the Titanic. So he actually bankrolled building of the Titanic
and the Olympia. I believe it was called because they
were basically identical ships. So he bankrolled paying for this.
So the JP Morgan guy from JP Morgan Chase, and
he was actually supposed to be on the ship. So
(40:31):
he he was supposed to go on there and be
in like the nicest room and everything like that. Well,
he had a thirty year old mistress, nice and French mistress,
and so he wanted to hang out. He was seventy
two years old, so he wanted to hang out with
her a little bit longer. So he's like, never mind,
I don't really want to go on this fancy ass
ship that I built.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Before Viagra.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yes, so he didn't want to go on this fancy
ass ship anymore. He wanted to go hang out with
this thirty year old mistress, and so he'd actually was
supposed to be on the Titanic, but he was not. However,
it didn't save him that much because a year later
he died. I'm not sure how. It probably had to
do something with the.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Thirty year old mistress heart issues.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yes. Are you there? Yes too?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yes? Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (41:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Are you playing a gamer? Are you looking for a
damn y'all need? Jesus?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I got a y'all need Jesus. I don't know where
it went. It's in one of these open tabs. I
only got like five.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Okay, Well, what are the key words. Just type it
in there and I'll find it for you. It'll say
existing tab. Okay, let me think of another freaking fun
fact for you guys.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
He was way up here. Why isn't it way down
there where in my new tab?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I don't know. I don't know why they do it
like that. Do you have it?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
No? I ain't got it?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Okay. Another fun fact about the Titanic? What do we have? John?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:54):
So, there was an astor on board. He actually died,
John Jacob Astor.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
He actually died, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt. No.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Anyways, he actually asked to get on a lifeboat, and
some the guy actually turned him away. Even though he
was the richest man on the ship and the richest
one of the richest men in the entire world. He
was actually told no, he could not get on the lifeboats.
He did not make it on that the fancy expensive
one at the beginning. Are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready, Okay,
all right, that's all I gofer you maybe until next
(42:24):
week when I finished this.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I don't know if I should do this one first
or the follow up to the other one first.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
No, just do one. I got to get to beds.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Do a few man, No Pritchett, Are you ready? Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
So?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Man with ankle monitor tells deputies he can't go to
jail because he has a curfew, as do I. Florida
or Not Florida, Florida Fox thirteen, Tampa Bay of Course
by Nancy Gay, published January twenty nine, twenty twenty five,
win or Haven, Florida. Winter Haven man who was on probation,
(43:01):
is back behind bars after deputies say he interfered with
a first responder at the scene of a car crash.
Here's the backstory. According to Nancy, deputies with Pope County
Sheriff's Office were investigating a vehicle crash at Winter Lake
Road and Brandy Chase Boulevard around nine to twenty five
(43:21):
pm on Tuesday, when they said a twenty three year
old Sebastian Angel Suarez approached the scene and asked, yo,
what the fuck happened. The deputy said, he stopped what
he was doing, turned to Suarez and explained it was
a crash and that everyone appeared to be doing all right. However,
(43:42):
according to Pope County Sheriff's Office, Suarez got within a
foot of the deputy and angrily snapped back. No shit,
A car crash happened. Who hit who? The deputy said
he told Suarez to step the fuck back so deputies
could work. Suarez yelled, fuck, thank you. You can't tell
me what to do.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Did they write the F word in this article?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
No, it's a bunch of astroisk I'm just deciphering it.
The deputy said. He explained to Suarez that he was
impeding the deputy's work and then he needed to move
back or he would be arrested. Suarez said, I'm on
an ankle monitor with a curfew. You can't do shit.
You can't take me anywhere. According to deputy, Suarez continue
(44:26):
to act out and was uncooperative. He was arrested and
charged with violation of probation, wilful child abuse. I don't
know where that came from, interfering with a first responder,
and two counts of resisting arrest now, Suarez said. After
his arrival at jail, deputy said that Suarez had calmed
(44:47):
down and explained that a relative of his was involved
in the crash that the deputies were investigating. And there's
a law, a halo law in Florida makes it illegal
to come within twenty five feet of first responders if
the intent is to impede, threaten, or harass them. People
who violate this law can be charged with a misdemeanor
(45:08):
or face up to sixty days in jail.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
So that's probably to discourage all these people that want
to bring out their phone and record law enforcement, like
right up close, whether you're in the middle of something.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Trying to do CPR and shitting there.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Well, no, not even that, just like if they're trying
to arrest somebody and somebody's like, we're gonna record you
doing everything blah blah blah, and then everything at that,
which most of the police have body cams now that
you can play back anyways. All right, Stu, thank you
for the y'all need Jesus.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Do you want to see my eye?
Speaker 1 (45:40):
No, I don't want to see your eye. Stop it,
stew I'm not looking at.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
You looking to my eye.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
The shadow is like, what is wrong with you? You're gonna
hurt yourself. Stop what is wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (45:52):
I'm just showing you my eye.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I don't want to see any part of you right now. Wow,
You're you're one eyed monster. You're your patch your wonky.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Are wonky and sticky?
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Stop all right, that's a circa twenty eleven Stu and
Kara Joe. Do not just stop whatever you're gonna say,
Just stop, all right. Thank you for all the new patrons.
Thank you for all the new reviews. We really appreciate it.
Thank you for Facebook, thank you for thank you for Alice.
(46:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
You wouldn't have nothing to talk about, what I know.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Thank you for Alice and the Titanic because without them
I would be lost. And I think that's all. And
we'll try to get one out on time next week.
So this is all Stew's fault.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
This is not my fault. It's your fault for punching
me in the eye and detaching my retina.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
That is not even remotely true what happened. Although his
dad wanted to take a picture of me, pretended.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
To where is that picture out there?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
So the day that this happened, so Stu had to
have a huge like bandage on his eye or whatever.
So his dad maybe post like I was punching Stew.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
And take a picture because domestic violence is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yes, so any Stu did not mean that. Please don't
write us an angry letter. All right, well, I guess it.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Will stark out. Anybody listening right now gets started out.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Okay, anyways, I guess we will see you next time.
Buy everyone say bye. Stuck.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Don't you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shot midnapping,
else is working. It's pretty learning sick. This worthy can
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