144. [Texas] Liz Barraza

This week we are covering a case out of Texas where 29 year old Liz Barazza was gunned down in her driveway while setting up for a garage sale. Who would want to kill Liz?

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Okay, everyone, welcome to bless this message Drue Grump Podcast.
I don't care who us do say, stup.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey, why are you shaking.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Your head at me?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Because I know what happens?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
What happens?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I can't tell you. What are you talking about this case?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Oh okay, anyways, so we are back this week. We
are running behind per usual. We will eventually get back
to our Thursday Wednesday Patreon release Thursday regular release. But
it's just not I have been I have been working
like twelve to fourteen hours a day at work here
the last two weeks. It's bad time. Stuart, stop playing

(00:55):
a violin for me. You know, I've been working every
single night. It's been rough and rough fin anyways, and
then today is our son's birthday. He turns three. If
you're a Patreon member, there was a we shared a
little picture of him with his birthday pancake stack. So,
starting in year two, our family tradition that I started

(01:16):
was they I make this giant stack of pancakes. So
it takes me about like an hour or so to
make all the pancakes. But I have the best pancake
fluffy pancake recipe, and I make a big stack of
pancakes with sprinkles, and so his is dinosaur themed, so
he had dinosaur sprinkles and old dinosaur candle because he's
a three wreck stew. That's three wrecks, yes, So anyway,

(01:39):
so we did his birthday pancake stack today because today's
his actual birthday, and then tomorrow we will do his
birthday party. When I say birthday party, I do not.
I do not feel the need to throw giant birthday
parties for the children. So they get just a little

(01:59):
family birthday. So get their birthday pancakestack and then they
get a little family birthday where we just get a
cake and we eat something that they like for dinner,
and they get their little presents and they get decorations
from Amazon. And his is three rex themed. Do three
wrecks dinosaur yep. So that's what we are doing today.
But we thought we would bribe them with them. We're

(02:22):
rotting our children's brains for you people, we are. We
gave them iPads to blame so we could come record
this and.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
It's all learning. Though they're learning the learning, they.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Aren't learning ship they're not. We're rotting their brains right
now for you guys. So you guys should really support us.
That's what I feel like. Write a good review, join
the Patreon, follow the Facebook, tell your friends. Don't tell
any of our friends though this is still.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
A secrets You're side of the families.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Find how is my side of the family finding?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I find out your stuff on your whatever? And then
they follow that.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
No, I don't think anybody actually found the podcast. No,
I don't think anybody found the podcast anyways. Yeah, so
that's what's going on with us right now. Uh STU,
do you have anything that you'd like to talk about?
You never have anything he'd like to talk.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
What do you want me to talk about?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Nothing?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
You just burn up all the time in the beginning, nobody.
Why don't I start the case?

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Why don't I talk about the fact that you and
me had the same exact thought this morning, which was
so across the street they are doing repair, like they're
doing landscaping or something across the street. And so this morning,
the our tuoty man, the three year old, he had,
we call him Tutty Tooty, had to go to his

(03:49):
three year appointment. Yes, I scheduled his doctor's appointment on
his third birthday, but he didn't have to get shots,
come to find out. So, uh, Stu, I was like, Stu,
you take him to his appointment and also stay here
so I can start making the pancakes and everything like that,
because it does take about like an hour hour and
a half, and with like, I had the four year
old and the one year old home with me, so
it takes even longer. And so when we're elite, when

(04:11):
Stu's leaving, myself, the four year old and the baby
are all like waving at Stewing and tuty man heading out,
and the people across the land, the landscaping crew across
the street. This guy was like looking over at us
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
He was staring hard.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
He was staring hard, okay, and so I was topless,
So that might have been part of the problem. I'm kidding.
Kick anyways, Uh you know, you just we we we're
true crime podcasts. We watch a lot of I watch
a lot of stuff about people getting murdered and everything
like that. So I was like, man, it's probably not

(04:47):
a good idea.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Why did they not knowing stock watching us way by
to the to the husband and then pull out and
then watching this this whole time, and us three girls
just there by ourselves.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
And so not uh you know what helped those You
forgot the papers and came back. So it was kind
of like what are they up to? He could be
back any minute, and the pediatricians office, I'm sorry, provider
is down. Uh. We live in a in a what
do they call when is whenever you have like a
food what is it? Whenever you have like a.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Where you're like living in a grocery stores, they call
it a food desert.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yes, we live in a in a medical cultural desert.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh, there's a lot of culture here. There ain't. No,
there's no doctors. The culture is LPN's are in all
working under a doctor's life.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yes, there is, actually so. Our pediatricians office is owned
by pediatricians, but the pediatricians do not actually live here.
It's the I think we've talked about this for they're
nurse practitioners, and not say anything about bad about the
nurse practitioners, but they are not doctors. They are called
we call them providers. So they're so every time we
say we're taking to the pediatrician, we say, oh, wait, no,

(05:58):
the provider, because that's it across. Yes, but this is
like a common thing out here that there's no actual doctors.
It's all the doctors don't want to live.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Here, even the family doctors or not.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, even the family. It still went to one and
it was the same situation. They're overseeing this this clinic,
but they're not here physically. And that's a new thing
for us because we leave. We lived in Louisiana, there
was I mean I live, there's doctors everywhere. So anyway,
so he the pediatrician, the providers are just like five

(06:29):
minutes away. So he came back to get paperwork. Well,
then he leaves again, and then all of a sudden,
he installed one of them ring doorbells. So everytime they're
at someone's at the front door, it does a little
chime on the thing and you get a notification on
your phone. And I was like, oh my god, this
is it. I start panicking, like my heart starts raising. Yes,

(06:50):
I'm like murder.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
This is going to be great on the.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Past, it be great for the podcast ratings.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Uh, it's live on Insta No.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
So I was like, oh my god. So I start
trying to frantically pull the ring doorbell up to see
who it was, and it wouldn't like play back because
it just happened. I guess. I know. I went to
live but all I saw was someone walking away. I
was like, okay, they're walking away. Well not even like
five minutes later, I figured out we had a Walmart
grocery to live free order scheduled at the same time,

(07:19):
So that's who it actually was. It wasn't the people
across the street trying to murder us, but Stu text
I called him at the same time, or you called me,
and you're like, yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
Did they watch me leave and then go over to
like murder you? So, but we're fine, Well I saw
it was the Walmart lady. Oh, but you were thinking
the same thing, though.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I thought that he had was watching a little too close.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yes, he was watching a little too close. Yes, But anyways,
we thought the same thing. We're like, oh my god,
this is how a dateline episode starts. That this just happened,
and then this person that is coming over to murder
somebody anyways, all right, well that's all I go. Okay, Well,
let's go ahead and get into.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
This crime podcast.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yes, that was keep keep keep safe, ladies. That wasn't smart.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I did say beligious, dilligentt Yeah, vigilant.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Vigilant, diligent. I thought you were saying trying to say.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Diligent, I said village.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Okay, all right, So the point is you probably shouldn't.
Let's have somebody watch your husband leave the home and
leave you home with a baby and a toddler and
make it quite obvious, because the world's a dangerous place. Guys. Okay,
all right, so let's get into so Patreon check that out.

(08:42):
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you know, Patreon dot com twenty four hours early ad free.
Appreciate all the support there, Yeah, we sent anyways, there's

(09:02):
I did post a picture of Tuty and his pancake
stack on there and then so we share more updates
and stuff like that, or I try to remember to
share more updates on the than we share on like
Facebook and Instagram. But we also have Facebook and Instagram
if you'd like to follow us there.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
John.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Oh, the TikTok though I've been no, that's the TikTok.
The tiktoks don't tell me to move it along. The
TikTok is important because I have been sharing documentaries and
my thoughts and stuff, and so go check out the TikTok.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Believe me from somebody who she's been sharing with her
thoughts for fifteen years. You don't want that in your life.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
All right? And I think that is it. So let's
go ahead and get into our case. Out of Wow, Wow, Texas,
I believe Oh Jesus Stewart. It's been a long week. Okay,
sometimes the cities run together. What do you want from me? Now?

(10:00):
This one's gonna be a little bit different because I
just followed it. I followed I watched a Stewart stop. Anyways,
this is following an episode of On the Case with
Paula's on, and I'm gonna I'm not gonna forewarn you guys. No,
I'm not, no, because I don't want to match out now. No,
we need to add moneys too. No, they need to

(10:22):
stay around. Okay, all right, so let's go ahead and
get into this case.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
All your upset and may emails to Kara at Math
Podcast at Gmail.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
You're acting like it's something like bad or whatever it is.
It's not bad. No children were murdered or anything like that.
Let's let's clarify that, right, now, so people aren't like,
oh my god, what and there's no dogs died or
anything like that, just a regular old human.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
This is just this is just like the y'all need
Jesus from last week.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
What's the y'all need Jesus from last week?

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Where you pay all that money to go to the
champagne room and.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Get the second Oh and then you unsatisfied? Yes, okay,
well all right. So on January So this is out
of Tombal, Texas. So on January twenty fifth, two thousand,
twenty and nineteen, around six fifty five am, Sean Owens,
a neighbor hears a gunshot. She hears three rapid shots,
a pause, and then a fourth gun shot. Terrified, she

(11:23):
goes and finds her husband, who also heard those gun
shots and thought the shots came from the house across
the street because she thought it was so loud. She's really
thought it might be in her backyard or so it
was very close. So her husband he decides, he's like, no,
I was standing here. They definitely came from across the street.
So her husband walks over to the neighbors and turns

(11:43):
around and he's like, stand by the window. I'll let
you know if I need help. This is so do
not go and do this. Guys, if you hear shots fire,
just stay in your home. This is something stupid, stupid,
this is something stupid.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
You had me Dan, What are you talking about? You
walk up and you said, somebody's outside our window.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Oh yeah, go investigator, Yes, okay, yes, Stu would definitely
walk across the street. Stu probably would have been armed
when he went across. He would have grabbed his gun first. Anyways,
so her husband says, like, hey, stand at the front
window and if I wave you down or something like this,
so you can be aware of, like, you know, something
that's if I get shot. I don't know. So as

(12:24):
he walks over, he flags his wife down and he
starts telling her like, you know, call nine one one
and everything that. So she calls nine one one, She
goes and her husband. She goes over there with her
husband and on the ground lies twenty nine year old
Liz Barrazza and she is has a pull of blood
all around her in the driveway. Well, police arrive on

(12:47):
the scene and Liz actually is still alive, so they
take her by ambulance to the hospital to see if
they can save her. So this is quite a shocking.
This is a Friday morning, quite the shocking, six fifty
five am way up.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Why yes, it would be a.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Little bit stronger than your normal coffee.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
At any time of day, it would be shocking, but
especially especially especially on the morning.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
In our neighbor we hear gunshots form like, oh, it's.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Wayne. Never heard gunshots there?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
We did that one time.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I thought, no, people got fireworks already though, Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Oh it is almost July for it.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, and I don't know where they're getting. I don't
think the firework stands are open. But somebody was well.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
And this place is dry. There's usually a like a
band of some sort of you know, this.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Is true, all right, no vegetation here.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
The new Costco could get taken down.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
We are in a post apocalyptic mad Necks.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yes, that's what Stu likes to call where we live. Now.
We can see the Costco from our.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Backyard and it's like a mile away.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's the largest costco in Texas.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, So we are positioned next to If you are
a Costco officionado and you were very excited about a Costco,
we are positioned within a mile of the largest Costco
in Tahos, which means it might be well, no, probably,
there's probably bigger ones in California. I think they started
in California, seems like it.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'm not an expert on the country.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
You're okay, all the costco experts let us know.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well. Police arrive almost immediately after the nine to one
one call. They start trying to put together the scene,
and there were items lying around the driveway. They're all
on display.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
It's all like nerdy stuff like Star Wars, Harry Potter.
That's Harry Potter's not nerdy, that's a that's a nerd. No,
that's a elegant hobby.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
They put together that Liz was putting together a garage
sale and that she was ambush during the prime says
there was little to no evidence at the scene of.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, because of the garage cell, of the murder, of
the murder, because the thing is is that it wasn't like, well, one,
who would ambush somebody over garage cell money?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
But two, especially if it ain't started.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Two.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yes, it's six fifty five am on a Friday. The
garage cell hasn't even made any money, So that was
definitely not the motive.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm telling you one thing right now. Them Marley birds
at your garage cell there or something.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
I'd like to start garage sellings to would you? Yes?
Why waking up early Saturday mornings.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I'll go up by myself buying stuff. Yes, we're trying
to get rid of.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Shit, I know. But you can find some real gems.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, that'll sit in your closet and then you'll.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Be able to find a gym you don't know, or.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Ten year old slim gym. A ten year old slim gym.
Something somebody found on their couch, just threw.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
It up, and you know, they'll put it out there.
They'll be like, they'll be like five.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Dollars you get next by slim gemstone expire. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, there'd be like five dollars for the slim gym.
You really well, I'll give you fifty cents.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
No sold, Yeah, anyways done.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I would like to go by myself maybe and leave
you guys at home sleeping. How about that? How about that?
Oh you can sign up for that.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I can anything where you leave me alone and leave
me sleeping. I could sign up for that.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I do that every morning to do when I go
to work, and you.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Lie in bed and then the real work starts whenever
I get up.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I know, sometimes I'm home thirty minutes and like, what
did we do with these children? I go, I gotta
go back to work.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Are you done?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
I'm done? Now go someone's been ambushed.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, somebody has been ambushed. Liz has been shot four times.
But there's no shell casings on the ground.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
They picked them up.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
They picked them up, or they make a special net
that on a semi auto you can collect them.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Based on the other things that I know about this
case that I was wondering about that because it didn't
seem like they took the time to pick them up.
So I'm guessing it was a situation where they were
collecting them.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Well, this is the thirty eight, okay, so typically, well that's.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
What they think. They think it was a small caliber.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Most thirty eight. It's a revolver, so the shell casings
won't inject anything.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh okay, well that's it. Then that's probably why they
were like they either at that point they either thought
they picked them up, but then when they identified the
gun type, I'm guessing that's why because they don't oh yeah,
because they stay in the chamber and.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
The revolver in the cylinder.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Revolver in the cylinder.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Okay, these are things you should now since you have
a thirty eight, I know.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
But I haven't touched it in.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I ain't the only thing you checked.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Strong with you and that's a lie, but it's wrong
with you. Okay, moving on. Maybe it was a little
more special. Maybe when we're gonna stop, we're gonna stop
this trade of thought. We're gonna move on, moving on.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Okay, are you done?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Sergio Barazza, Liz's husband, has arrived at the scene, but
poor police had even contacted him. They asked how he
knew something was wrong, and he said they were very
cautious people, and he had just installed a doorbell camera
and reading and he had received the ring notification of
some activity.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yes, like us, like the same thing happened.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Ring call us?

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yes, well, sponsor this podcast.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Give us a code to put out there. Finding this odd.
He pulls up the camera and he sees all this
activity and police tape and an officer walk by. He
rewinds to see what happened, and he did not see
his wife shot, but he heard her say good morning.
Then the gunshots and his wife screaming. He races home
to find police at his home and they shared the

(19:03):
video with the police.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, so police now have some like a sound of
the attacks. They obviously where it was. He didn't actually
see that's occur, but they do have at least like
she did. She didn't know the person particularly, they couldn't
say that, but that she wasn't afraid of the person
as they walked up, because she said good morning. You
wouldn't say good morning to somebody you were, you know,

(19:28):
nervous about miche It.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Was probably a garage sale competitor.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yes, probably it's a similar garage cell down the street. Yes,
all right, so they are so now they have the sound,
they can tell that she wasn't afraid in the moment.
So now this is opening up some possibilities that she
either knew the person or that at least wasn't a
menacing figure or someone she was afraid of. Now, as

(19:54):
the family is dealing with the incident, they get to
the hospital where Liz had been airlifted. Unfortunately, they were
told that Liz was not going to make it. See,
they didn't even know that she wasn't going to make
it at this points too. So all those jokes Alice
were appropriate at the time because nobody had actually past yes.
But now they have, so now it's we're serious. They

(20:16):
could not understand how this could happen to Liz. Liz,
of course, like most people didn't have nobody. I don't
know anybody that has enemies enough that. I mean, I
pissed some people off. I got it. I have an
issue with someone at work right now. And let me
tell you what I understand that my personality is.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
You need to show me a picture of this fellaw.
So if I see him on the ring camera, I
know that something.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
He looks like an angry bird. That's that's what we
call him.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Okay, you know he listens to this podcast, right.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Let me tell you what, guys, I do not take
work personally at all. Like I could care less if
someone doesn't like my ideal and they want to do
it in a different way. Could not What did I say,
couldn't care less?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Could care less?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Okay, I could not care less about work. I am
there for a paycheck. I've already told him this. I
could not care less. I'm there to do a job.
I do my job very well. However, if someone doesn't
like how I do my job, or someone that's in
charge of me tells me that they would rather me
do it a different way. You know what I do.

(21:20):
I do it the different way because I don't take
it personally. But I work with some people who take
work personally like it's their whole personalities. Do so then
they get.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Upset a little butt hurt.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yes, I have to say I have been the most
patient with this person in our group. I was the
last one to snap snap. I did my best, all right.
So Liz, she did not have any enemies. She was kind.
She was described as being kind, a great listener. She
saw the best in people, which is I see the

(21:52):
worst in people. I assume everybody's a serial killer, like
that guy across the street that was doing the working
on the landscaping. And then I worked my way up
for trust, but assuming you're a serial killer at first,
and then we work our.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Way back to whether or not I will let you
borrow my pen or not.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yes, anyway, So she was just a thoughtful person in general.
She loved to make people happy. She loved to laugh.
Sergio and her had a very good marriage. They were
both self described nerds, and they loved Star Wars and
Harry Potter and they were into things like that. Now,
when talking to Sergio, they found that she was selling

(22:30):
items at the garage cell to raise a little money
for their anniversary to Universal Studios. I guess they were
going to check out Harry Potter. I don't know where
Star Wars is.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Is that a Disney thing thing? Disney bought it at some.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Point, I think, yeah, so all the Star Wars stuff
is that Disney. But they were going down there in
that area and stuff like that. So that was yeah, Orlando.
They were going down there to do things like that.
So this this garage cell was to make money for that.
She was selling some of her like Star Wars's memorabilia
and things like that. Now they ask Sergio Sergio who

(23:05):
knew about the garage cell, and he said it was
kind of a last minute decision to do this, and
few people knew about it. She was depending more on
people driving by to make a sell, which I mean,
I think that's what everybody does for groadge cells.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
You put the ad out, you say this garage, Yeah,
you advertise your garage.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
You put no, you don't add advertise it. You put
it out on like a you take a poster and
put your address and staple it to a corner of
a one.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
You can do that, but you can also put it
in the new Well, people used to put it on
this paper.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Okay, grandpa, who's putting.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Their grandpa neighborhood?

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Are there a garage cell in the newspaper?

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well, they put it online nowadays, yes.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
But that doesn't take much preparation to say, oh, yeah,
I'm gonna have a garage cell. So anyway, so she's
mainly depending on people driving by, which is common. I
would say it's not. And then Sergio he hadn't He
wasn't there because he had an early morning flooring job,
and he said he left around six forty seven am.
I'm assuming that he knew this exactly because probably the

(24:04):
ring doorbell. It's like him, you know, you get notification,
like I get a notification that I'm that I just left. Basically, yes,
So police were able to confirm Sergio's arrival time and
that he was not the one to kill Liz. He
was not somebody well we don't know, Stu. We're going
to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Okay, So he's not off the hook yet though.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
He's not off the hook. He did not physically do
it himself, though, but we don't.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Know which we know we know what that he didn't
physically do it.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
We know he didn't physically do it himself. He was
at the flooring job. He did leave like he was
on that ring doorbell.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yes, but he could perfect alibi.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
But he could have left and just went around the
corner or come through the backyard. But they did say
that they talked to multiple people at the flooring place
and he was there, and he left and came home.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Could have came through the backyard where the costco is
helped the fence. Come on inside.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, there's no cameras in our backyard?

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Or are there?

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Or are there?

Speaker 1 (25:07):
And a massive pit No? I ran that pit bull off? No?

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Oh yeah, did we?

Speaker 1 (25:16):
We've talked about the neighbors before.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Haven't we. Yes, We're not going to talk about them
right now though, why because we got to do this.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I know. I'm just gonna say something real quick.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Oh Jesus, Marrian.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Okay, we've talked about how they the five children that
are there. We have not heard of the children in
weeks so but the but the the ladies still they're
still together. Appears well.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
I think they went on vacation and the children may
have gone somewhere to.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
But where are the children now it's been weeks.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I don't know, maybe with another relative for the duration.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Who's going to take five children.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's a large family from what I understand.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Anyways, I find I think that they were like, this
is too much, and they and the they were like,
we can't do this.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I think the Homa legally adopted the children.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
It doesn't matter. You can still turn them back over
to the state or something.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Not after you legally adopted it. As you can.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
You can surrender any child to the state.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I don't think this surrendered them to the state. I'm
not getting that vibe from this family. Okay, I'm just
saying I'm tired children.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
I think it was a lot for them to take
on over there. That's all I'm gonna say. Okay, we'll see,
We'll update as the weeks go on. If the children
have appeared again on the neighbor drama. Yes, the neighborhood Drama.
Oh I could, oh, I could do a whole episode
about our neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Let's talk about the guy's shaving let's talk about the.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Guy shaving himself chest aren't pits the whole nine yards.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
In the community. And then they opened it. So there
was a guy full on shaving himself like out there
in the open, like like he had like he was
like had like dark hair or whatever. So it's just
like long like black hairs, and so he got they
got turned into the hoa or whatever. They couldn't find

(27:06):
the guy that did it, so they closed the pools
to clean them.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Keep in mind, we.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Do not They sure can find the weeds in my
yard when they want to, though they can't.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Find this man anyways, So they closed the pools to
clean them. Well per this morning. The pool reopened at
noon and someone went over there and there was like
a giant they supposedly closed it to clean it. There's
a giant like wad of like black hair just floating. Well,
they posed a picture of it. Oh, I could go

(27:35):
on about this neighborhood ste if you want to do
a neighborhood watch. That sounds like a Patreon only situation. Though, yes, anyways,
all right.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
That is not true crime, are you No, it's a
crime for the amount of paying it's a crime.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yes, I could tell you. Yeah, And I told you
the story about the tree that they planted, and they
said it was a dead tree in their yard. Yes,
it was a brand new Yes. So they went and
bought it a tree from Low's and they planted in
their yard about four or five weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Because the wind around here is ridiculous, so.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
It took all the leaves off because it's a baby.
And the hoa came by and took a picture of
their This wasn't our house. Somebody else's took a picture
of it and said they needed to remove the dead
tree from the yard. Like absolutely insane, absolutely insane. All right,
is it my turn?

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Your turned, it's my turn.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Okay, keep going.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
You've done sidetracking. It's like you DrAk a whole bottle
of whiskey this morning already. No, I did not, And
it's only lunchtime.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
It's not lunchtime. It's like four pm. I didn't. I'm
just telling stories to This is what's happening right now.
These are big things in our lives. We don't have
much going on.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
No we don't. Yeah, actually we got a costco coming.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
We got the largest costco in Texas.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I heard police are starting to think that someone was
watching when Liz was alone to attack her. They began
asking neighbors if they heard or saw anything that morning.
They are able to find three neighbors who heard the shots,
but no one actually saw the shooting. They were able
to pull security cameras that face the Barraza home. On

(29:12):
the video, a black truck pulls up in front of
Liz's home at about six fifty two am and then
pulls up, turns around. The person gets out of the truck,
walks rapidly up the driveway, speaks for a moment, and
then pulls a gun from the robe they were wearing.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yes, they were dressed in a robe in a robe. Yes.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
The shooter shoots three times at point blank range. Liz
then falls to the ground and one more shot is fired.
The person looked like they were wearing a wig possibly.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yes, it looked like a very crappy, exaggerated wig. And
they were wearing what looked like a robe, And they
felt like they couldn't tell if it was a manner
a woman because they had the the robe and these
white boots on and the.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Wig, so the distance of the camera did not give
a clear image. And they were disguising their identity, so
finding this person was not going to be as easy
as they thought it would be.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, because the police thought whenever they found out they
had video footage over there, like, oh close, case we
got this.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
We'll be down at the Teddy Bar by lunch.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
But what I don't understand is why, Okay, what it
is a Friday? Uh? What this did happen on a Friday?
So what I don't understand is I still don't understand
why do we have these cameras on our homes if
they're not high enough quality to be able to catch
somebody or get license plate numbers. That's what I don't understand.

(30:49):
Like could ours identify or pick up a license plate? No,
so what's the point it could?

Speaker 2 (30:53):
If they were on our driveway. Our cameras are only
designed for our yard. We're not. We're about two three
houses down. Whether or not we can see their license plate,
if you can get a description of the vehicle, I mean,
that's good enough.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Not in this case, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well, maybe they should have had more cameras on their
own homes. The truck did circle back after the crime,
like they were seeing if they got the job done,
or to view their work. I'm guessing they were gonna
see if she got up and crawled to the house
or something. Police found this very odd that they would
go back to examine the scene. But I can kind

(31:31):
of get it. I guess if they were like, I
hope I got her. Let me make sure she ain't
crawling up to getting there.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
But it is bullsy to turn back around and go
back though.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yes, no, you commit the crime and you move on.
They did at least have a clear shot of the
truck that was being driven. The truck was a Nissan Frontier.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
First crime at the Century. Yeah, not much a Nissan.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Truck start a Frontier.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Does Nissan make any other kind of truck? Yes, I
don't know anything about trucks.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Well, I think the front Tier is the Tundra competitor,
but I would get the Tendra myself. It was a
year twenty thirteen to twenty nineteen model. It was mostly
black or most likely black in colored. They could not
get the license plate number. However, there were thousands of
those types of trucks, so this was a needle in

(32:24):
the haystack. As far as the.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Placer clearned, Yeah, it wasn't like a they thought they
may be onto something with the whole truck, you know,
making model and color. But it's like we're in the
Houston area. That's just never ending.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, in Texas, fifties Tundras are made in San Antonio.
There's trucks galore around here.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Well specifically that truck. There was still tons of those.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Well f one fifty is the best selling truck.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Okay, that's not what was there though, So I don't
know what that matters.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well, Nissan Frontiers, Oh no, that's the Titan is the
Tundra competitor. The Frontier is the smaller truck like the Tacomas.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Oh, Nissan Titan, Okay, now I know what that is.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, yeah, your brother had one of those.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Oh yeah, that was a mistake.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
It was a fine truck.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
It was a mistake. He corrected it.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
No, he had that was a mistake.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Well, that thing within a couple of months what broke completely,
the completely blew and it was in the shop for
longer than he actually owned it. And then as soon
as he got it out, he sold it because it.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Was like such a waste twelve hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
And he had to go back and forth on the
whole warranty and everything, and it was like, basically a
brand new truck, who's the motor just blew up? It's like, oh,
we're not going to cover that.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Then he got into it with the you know, because
then it took way a really long time. So then
he got into it the whole thing about the rental car.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
They didn't want to pay for the un Yeah, they
didn't want.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
To pay the rental car, and he's like, it's not
my fault. You had my truck for six months, all right. So,
with nothing to go on with the video, they asked
the family to watch it, which was a difficult thing
for them to ask of them, but the family was
willing to do it if they could possibly find a killer,
because they're going to watch their wife and daughter be
you know, murdered.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Unfortunately, nothing was ringing a bell. They tried and tried
and tried. They just could not place the person, which
it didn't help that the person was wearing the wig
and everything like that. They continued to pull video footage
and found that the killer had driven through the neighborhood
the night before, so they were around, maybe seeing where
they wanted to park. Things like that. They were at

(34:28):
a loss with the evidence. They needed to find a
reason Lee Liz would be murdered because she was clearly targeted.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
This was not a planned, premeditated Yes that appears.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yes, coming up and shooting someone at point blank range,
not taking anything with the disguise, not taking anything. There
was no sexual component to it. Nothing, and this woman
did not appear to have any enemies, So I just
don't They're just like, who would want to kill her?
You know?

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Police started with the garage cell. Normally Liz would have
been headed to work that morning since it was a Friday,
but she was at home setting up the garage cell,
so it would have Police theorized it would have had
to been someone that knew she would be home, Like
they're thinking, possibly work related. They started at the work.

(35:22):
She worked at an oil and gas company that worked
with pipelines. Everyone there would have known she was taking
the day off.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Worked with pipelines myself, yes, but this.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Was another dead end. They needed to look outside of
her work, and this would be her friends that were
part of the Star Wars fandom.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
That she just what can I just elaborate on the
thing With the work they did look in everybody that
she worked with it. I think it was a smaller
office and everybody had.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
A solid company type stuff. Yep, not a massive organization.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, and she didn't have any beef with anybody at
the pipeline companies.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Do because she was a vegetarian and I.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Ain't fucking scared of him. Name that tune.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
And you win a shout out.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
As they were looking into this angle, they find that
Liz and Sergio would dress up as stormtroopers which were
to be where this were wearing these large white boots
as the person in the video had on.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
That was a weird connection.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Now if this was Louisianana, that would be some of
them del Cambra reebox as they call him, them white
shrimp boots down in Delcam.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah. So they don't yeah, because they don't know in
the video of things were the exact boots, but they
were just saying that they were large white like rain boot,
possibly stormed.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I would look at somebody with a Delcum connection, Okay, yes,
those look like some scrump and boots. The person in
the video that morning had some large white boots, as
we stated, and they asked if they had any issues
in the group, and Sergio said they had a few scuffles,
but nothing.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I want to know what. I'm gonna need you to elaborate,
Sergio on what the scuffles were in your Star Wars
fan group.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
That Stormtrooper uniform is not the code from this movie.
That was pre this movie, and you can't be wearing
it in this context.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
That's probably like what it was happenings to.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, like Renaissance fairs throwdowns. Yeah, that necklace is not
period to the renisauce that we were having. You need
to take that off or I will snatch that off
your neck.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Becky.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Police investigated all the members of the five hundred and
first Legion.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
It's just the group's name.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I think it's a star I did watch Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I've never seen a Star Wars and I'm gonna go
to you know, at this point in my life, I'm
just gonna wear that as a badge of honor and
go to my grave never having seen a Star Wars movie.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Well, they were awesome when you were like seven year
old growing up seeing them, but.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Really I wouldn't know. I wasn't here, meaning on this planet.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
No, you weren't. You want to go there. I don't.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Where I'm of a Titanic. Persons to oh Jesus, yes,
I'm still in the Titanic's folks, Okay, still in the Titanic.
This ship is sinking. Yes, all right, we need to
get done with this. So this had so so so
they find nothing in this Star Wars five hundred and

(38:27):
first legion. If you're a Star Wars fan, let us
know where that reference comes.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
From from a movie or a cartoon or something.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I thought it was something with the taxes, but I
guess that makes more sense.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I was like, what is it?

Speaker 3 (38:38):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
If you're five oh five? Yeah, I thought maybe it
was something with that. But now that you're saying that,
that's not what. That's not why it was called that. Okay,
this had to be someone that new details about Liz's life,
like what her schedule was, where her doorbell camera was located,

(38:59):
where to position in the truck, all these types of things.
And they started to think it was a professional hit.
But why would the truck return to the scene. That's
not a professional. But you know what, not all professionals
are professionals do sometimes.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
They're just like this, somebody found on Craigslist.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yes, so maybe they just they was a professional, but
not a true professional. So they asked Sergio if Liz
had any life insurance policies, and he said that he
believed she did have one, but wasn't sure how much
it was worth or anything like that. Well, please pull
the records and they find that she had one at
work that was worth five hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Sergio, we need to talk.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
And that had increased from two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars from not long ago. Yes, and Sergio was the
beneficiary beneficiary, beneficiary, beneficiary, but they knew he was not
the killer because he was they know.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
He wasn't they wasn't the trigger man.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
No, he was, you know, he wasn't a and he
didn't look like the killer. But could Sergio have hired someone?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
That is the question.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
They did find Sergio's behavior to be odd that morning
after he you know, because he showed up before the
police could even call him. Well after they talent they
questioned him and stuff, and like you can go be
with your wife and everything because she was life flighted,
you know, to the hospital. He actually hung around the
home for a while after the cops released him, and
he actually was like talking to the neighbors. He was

(40:27):
speaking to the media like two shits that could be
given about hurrying up and getting to his wife's side,
which could be her last, you know, time on this earth. Yes,
he did eventually go, but it just found odd.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Like you would be before she expired.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
I don't know, I have no ideas.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Do somebody should have probably researched.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, maybe you should have, but they the couple did
seem very happy. Things were just not adding up, like
why was it really worth it to him to kill
her over this? His behavior was odd, but they don't
have any evidence pointing to why he would do this
except for I feel like five hundred thousand big ones.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
But or she keeps wearing the wrong Storm storm Troopers.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Suit to the is Stormtroopers in Star Wars or Star
what's the other one?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Star Trek Boy, you better help there right now? Battle
lines have been drawn, all right.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
So they pulled Sergio's phone and it came back with
no like strange activity or anything like that. Because they
believe that the person who killed Liz. They're trying to
put together why they would come back by They believe
probably then phone. Well that's why it's a burner phone, stude.
They don't know if he had one, he would have
disposed of it.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yes, I know, we need to look into this.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Well there's things we need to look into, stu. So anyway,
so they they believe that the reason the person drove
back by was maybe to do that confirmation call. So
they believe that they would have called someone at that time.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Said it's done, took a picture maybe.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I don't know about that, but would have called and said, yes,
it's done. And they were calling the person that hired
them to let them know all was good and everything
like that. Well, they keep looking through the finances and
everything like that, and they didn't. They did find that
one of Sergio's paychecks had bounced and he was not
able to cash it, so that money wasn't coming in.

(42:17):
They asked him about it, and he said that he
actually worked for his father, was his father's business, and
his father had been having financial issues due to his
multiple affairs. Dude, So Pops was spent all this money, yes, married,
oh was this business? Spending all his money trying to
keep these women happy, and then supposedly he couldn't pay

(42:41):
that that paycheck that that Sergio God actually bounced and
everything like that. Well, as they're talking to Sergio about this,
he tells them that Liz was very upset with her
father in law of Auscor because now the paycheck's bouncing,
he's brought he's cheating on his wife.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
They're ready to go to earls. So now she's got
to sell all of her ship together. Yes, because because
Sergio is not getting a paycheck.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yes, So they they believe that Liz actually confronted Oscar
about his financial issues, about his affairs and everything like that.
So they're starting to wonder if Austin would have wanted
to Okay, this is a stretch. Okay, guys, you're.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Gonna tell people why it's a stretch. Now.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
I'm gonna tell you, guys right now that we're all
the way this is unsolved.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Which this is the strip club all over again. I
gave them we got blue balls.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I'm myself experienced, and as I was writing this case
and watching this, I do I do not particularly care
for unsolved cases. I know there's whole podcasts dedicated to
unsolved mysteries. It's not my thing. I need to have.
I need to finish.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
I need to finish as well.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
So when it came down to too unsolved, I almost
scrapped the whole thing, but I'm like, no, I've already
written this, so we got to keep moving forward.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
So they think this is a bit of a stretch.
So we're about to We're about to do but you
know what I thought. I was like, I know, it
keeps moving my microphone. We're in the closet, and we're
still in the closet. We don't have to be, but
we're still in here because we didn't move all the equipment.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
All right.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
I was like, okay, this is I don't like that.
It's unsolved. I don't like this. However, it did give me.
Gives us a chance to do our most favorite thing,
which is speculating.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Speculate and talk make shit up.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
So they thought that maybe Oscar the dad, the father
in law, this was a stretch they wanted. They thought
that he would have Liz killed and his son collects
the the money, and then his son would give him
the money.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
He'd borrow it. Hey son, I need to make borrow
a little money.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
But that doesn't like me.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
I'll pay you back.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
That doesn't make any sense to me. So it still
unsolved to this day. So if you have any information,
please let in Tom Ball, Texas. I think Sergio did it.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
You think Sergio did it? Why?

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Who else would want to do this? He just got
five hundred gees. He can go to universe, universe or whatever.
He was acting funny at the crime scene.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Where's the black truck, fitt in.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
He hired somebody? Oh yes, he hired somebody to do this.
This is the only logical explanation.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
So you think Sergio did it, collected the money, and
now he's off at his little fandom like just.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Giving it as Hermione Granger girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
You like that, don't you? Hermione? How's that magic?

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Okay, Galatio h it's pronounced filatio. Okay, we need to
get in Valdosta. It's Valdosta. That Valdosta.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
We've got ripped so hard on though one of us did?
All right, who do you I think Sergio Art's one
to do this and he's just gotten away with it?
What do you think? I don't think the father in
law had anything to do with this.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
He might have agged him on. I'd have to see
financial records, but possibly a joint effort.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Because they're saying that there's no financial issues or whatever,
and maybe not on the surface, but she was obviously
having to sell some of her stuff to pay for
a trip to Universal.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I mean, because somebody wasn't getting damn paycheck.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
They weren't going to like it's what is.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Sergio doing now?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I don't know, work floor.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, he's working for a different company.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
He was he was interviewed on the episode. They did
interview him and he said he did not do it.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Oh well, I guess they didn't do it, so that
disparage the man.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, so I think that's the only thing because she
didn't have any enemies. No one's gonna kill her over
some stupid Star Wars club or something.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Oh almost shot somebody over memorabilia because it in pain.
That was then he went to jail. Star Wars stuff
is worth money. That's certain people anyways, thousands of dollars.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
But nobody stole anything. What was the benefit.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
I'm speculating this through all right.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
So that's our case. Sorry, it's unsolved. If you know
who did it, please let the police know. Stu, do
you ever.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Tell us so we can tell the poll.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
There's a fifty dollar reward. There is a fifty thousand
dollars awards.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
We'd be the number one podcast in the nation if
we saw this crime at least for a week.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I mean, it is kind of crazy. There has to
be a reason for it. Though the only person had
a reason was Sergio. There's nobody else that would want
to do this. It wasn't some random killing that someone
just walked up and decided to shoot this person and
then leave.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Star Wars Stormtrooper boots on or not, or just happen
to be white boots. Maybe he hired somebody from the
Stormtrooper group to kill her. Maybe and he's like, hey,
you know, and be cool if I dressed up as
a Stormtrooper.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
They're like, that's too far. Boots only, boots only, Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
So, or he hired somebody from Delcum the killer.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Yes, round up the citizens of Dolcum, tell him there's
a crawfish boil.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
You'll get them all and then start fingerprinting everybody. Yep,
it'll be kind of hard with all that.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Well, no, it'll be the dust, the dust form to
slap your mama fingerprints, all right, Do you have a yelling.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Jesus, of course I got a yelling. I always have
a ye.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Okay, what is it?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
It is a recap, It is a revisit. We're gonna I.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Gotta do something on my microphone next time because I
keep moving it.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Well, if you knew how to hold them, like Stewart.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
What is wrong with you? Okay? What what do you
have it? Readie? Or am I going to have to
fill in with additional talk neighborhood talk. I'm not going
to tell you about this situation at work because what
if somebody actually worked with listen to this? So we're
not going to talk about that. But yeah, if it
was on the Patreon, then yes I would talk about it.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
But is that going to be our.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Stewart, I've been promising these people Patreon content for years
and haven't come through. I'm not going to promise them
anything else. We were thinking about doing like a weekly
chit chat kind of where we just talk about our
talk about like some current Oh Karen Reid do Karen
Reid was found not guilty of murder and she was

(49:43):
found guilty of dulled w I yeah, so go Karen Reid,
because that's some shady shit. That's happening with that.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
That sounded like.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
There's a new dateline episode tonight about the Karen Reid trial.
That's what we're gonna want.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
And then the other guy that did the Idaho murders,
This guy's been stringing out this court date.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Forever and it's coming up though.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, but they got like DNA evidence of him at
the scene.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
And well, the dad, one of the dads of the
one of the people that was killed, said that there's
a bunch of stuff that never came out, and they're
gonna be everyone's gonna be shocked when they hear the
when they see the trial.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Shocked. Yes, two in the Pink.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
And Stewart read your yall need Jesus.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Well, this is a circle back to a yall need
Jesus we have done previously.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
We don't want to circle back.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
To the urinating You ain't no hollow back girl. No,
you remember we had to circle back on the urinating
girl that was urinating on the groceries in the store. Yes,
this is not that. This comes to us from Law
and Crime. October fourth, twenty twenty three. We did a

(50:50):
y'all need Jesus where two young lads were found at
the scene of a gruesome murder because they were parked
on the side of the road. Oh yeah, when the
guy up the flashers on.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
On the supero.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Now the cops are like hand, these people are in distress.
Let me pull over and see what's going on. And
lo and behold they catch two fellas dumping a body.
The two New Jersey brothers have confessed to their roles
in the murder of a third New Jersey man who
was killed just months before he was set to start
classes in pursuit of a master's degree. Classic Jersey Kevin

(51:29):
Rossero twenty six, died on June sixteenth, twenty twenty one,
in Pennsylvania. His body was found in a wooded area
along East Pumping Station Road in Richland Township. According to
Bucks County District Attorney, Where's it in where this happened
in Pennsylvania, All three men were from Jersey. The sat
and gruesome discovery was made by Pennsylvania State troopers within

(51:51):
an hour or so of the slain. His two assailants
were almost instantly caught. Over time, they both accepted legal
culpability for their parts they played in killing Roseero. Joshua
David Gamble nineteen pleaded guilty to robbery, conspiracy well he's
like seventeen at the time of the morning, conspiracy to

(52:13):
commit robbery, theft, tampering with or fabricating its physical evidence,
and abuse of a corpse. In November twenty twenty two,
his elder brother, Anthony Joel Gamble twenty two, pleaded guilty
to murder in the third degree and criminal conspiracy to
commit robbery. Pennsylvania is only one of three US jurisdictions

(52:36):
with a third degree murder statute still on the books.
Maximum sentence for third degree murder is forty years in
state prison on June twenty one. In June of twenty
twenty one, just minutes after midnight, troopers noticed two cars
parked on the side of the road. One of those
cars was a Subaru with its lights flashing. There was

(52:57):
also an Audi without active blame makers parked roughly one
hundred feet away from the Suparu. They found Joshua Gamble
lying on the ground in the woods, apparently trying to
avoid detection around him, where telltale evidence suggested that a
brutal crime had been committed and he was part of it.

(53:18):
Blood on his shoes, a plastic coated work glove on
his left hand and in his possession a crimson stain
keep up to the Subaru. The companion glove was recovered
from where he was lying.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
But does it fit?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I don't know. Evidently, because he did, it would be.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
The Audi killing the person in the superoo.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
That's you think.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
After detaining the first suspect, troopers heard rustle of a
runner nearby. Soon enough, Anthony Gamble was caught and placed
into custody as well. The second suspect was also covered
in blood on his shoes and his shirt at this time,
and in his pants pockets he had two plastic coated
work type gloves.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
So why are they killing? I'm getting to them, okay,
taken a long time.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
It's like when you asked me at the beginning of
the movie what's happening?

Speaker 1 (54:12):
If you watch, I'm unsatisfied with this unsolved mystery.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Over here, I will satisfy you, Babby.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
The investigation then turned to the Audi, inside the luxury car,
which had Florida plates Jersey Florida in a Florida car,
Troopers found a substantial amount of blood and called for backup.
Near the Audi was Rosseero lying on the ground close
to where Joshua Gamble had been found trying to hide

(54:43):
moments earlier. They said that the deceased man appeared to
have been dragged there, and autopsy later determined that Rossero
had been stabbed twenty eight times Jesus in the face,
neck and upper torso and upper extremities. Inside the audi
on the passenger floor was a large knife covered in blood.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
A cell phone could have been a whole episode st it.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Could have been covered. No, this is terrible. Sanitizing wipes
and a second cell phone were found on the roof
of the vehicle. Sanitizing wipes, sanitizing. Yeah, he went out
and got a box of Clorox wipes or something to
clean up his twenty eight stab rooms. Yeah, that's gonna work.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
He probably got the great value kind too. It's not
even like thick Clorox.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
No, No, it's I don't know, maybe maybe not. As
it turns out, is.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Subru it's probably like reusable.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
The attempt to cover up was hasty and cut short
by the presence of law enforcement. Pennsylvania State Police determined
the sanitizing wipes had been purchased from a nearby seven
to eleven store. Oh, come on, just twenty minutes before
the troopers arrived on the scene.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
That's even lower than great value, and you probably paid
three times as much too. It's seven eleven.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
They say that Rozero had dreams of becoming an immigration
lawyer and would have begun class in the coming September.
He was apparently killed over a matter of a few
hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
But they spent that much on the wipes at the
seven eleven, right, and probably the answer energy drink.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Okay, these people are so stupid, because if you want
to clean up a crime scene, you don't get wipes,
just burn the vehicle, just set everything on fire.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Are you trying to aid in the bet criminals?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
And you're just saying this is so stupid. I can't
believe they're worried about a couple hundred bucks and they
spot this is the most the true crime that you
bought wipes at a seven eleven. You know how inflated
those prices are? Right insane.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
An analysis of Anthony Gamble cell phone showed searches for
seven eleven junk yards near me and can soap wash off.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Fingerprints, fire can fire.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
An analysis of Joshua Gamble cell phone showed a four
hundred dollars transfer from Rozero's cash shapp account made at
eleven twenty pm on June sixteenth, twenty twenty one, forty
three minutes before troopers spotted the vehicles and began the investigation.
You want to know what is worth? Wow, it's four
hundred dollars to be split two ways, So two hundred

(57:10):
dollars per person, so what.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
And then minus one hundred dollars for the wipes, so
three hundred dollars split two ways. Question? Note why did
he owe money?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Did he owe money or they just stealing?

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
He didn't get into that whether Rosero was shady or not.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
He was like, well, he graduated college and was going to.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Get his master's degree.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
He musted them and he was driving a Subaru.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Come on, well, I don't know what belonged to him. Okay,
I don't know if he had the Audi and.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
No, the criminals probably had the Audi. You think, yeah,
that seems the brothers.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, yes, so that is because when I was.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Like, probably like a a two thousand and three ALTI
a fours something something nice, No, two thousand and threes.
It wasn't a lunch. Yes from two thousand and three.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
But yes, whenever I did that yell need Jesus, somebody commented,
we need to follow up on this.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Well, here you are two years later.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
We have the few years later weever long.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Don't say we don't try.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Don't say we don't follow her.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Yes, it may take a long time, but we'll get there.
M h.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I mean it took us seven years to get married,
so yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Took us ten years to have a child, and then
we just popped them out.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Though.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Look at you guys. You guys didn't expect us to
be back this week, did you? But here we are.
We've been week after week after week for like at
least four weeks.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Whenever we just ghosted you back in twenty twenty, you
didn't expect us to come back, did you.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Here we are bitches. Okay, all right, So STU, do
you have anything else to add?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
You want me to raid some more stuffes.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
No, Patreon, check us out, Facebook, check us out, Instagram,
TikTok if you want documentary recommendations. I'm going to this week.
These last two weeks at work been really rough, but
I'm going to get back on the documentaries and then
buy us a coffee. Nobody ever does. But hey, just
starting they.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Start one called buy me a whiskey, so I can
get in on the action.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
All right, Well that's what's Yes, everything's expensive here, yes,
And to.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
A liquor store. What kind of ship is this? And
Louise Anne, you just go to the gas station, yeah,
and get a.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Fifth, but you also pay them seven eleven prices though
that's not to it's it's.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Actually cheap liquor store.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
All right, And I guess that is it. I guess
we will see you next time. Viral one say bye, Stew.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Don't you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shots by
mapping Elsin's working. It's sick. This word can