145. [Oklahoma] Rick Swan

In 2018, calls come into 911 reporting that a property owned by Claremore, Oklahoma resident Rick Swan was on fire. To the fire departments shock, they find a body in the ashes. Clues quickly come together to find a family dynamic that would lead to murder.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey, everyone, welcome to bless This Messa, the True Crump Podcast.
I don't care who is to say has to Hey,
all right, we're back this week and we are going
to Oklahoma where the wing goes weeping down the plains.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Don't do that sing?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yes, I know I don't have the I don't have
that talents due, I have many talents, but one of them.
But I didn't need those talents to get a husband.
So what's wrong with me?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
All right, So we are back. We are going to
Oklahoma this week. We are a little bit late, but
I in my defense, I have been working for the
last couple of weeks. It stop playing the violence, Stewart.
You know, I've been working round the clock at work
and that's not normal. This. We have a thing that's
due and it's a very small team that's doing it,
and it's a very large, large project. So I've been

(01:16):
working round the clock. So I was just I meant
to record yesterday, which would have been Friday, but I
was exhausted. I just couldn't. I've been staying up till
like midnight every night working. So but it's almost over,
thank god.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's when the party just gets going at midnight.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
That's when I do my best work. I told them
at work, I was like, if you guys would let
me work an alternative hours, I'm like, I could turn
out some work because I started hitting my stride around midnight.
I could just keep going to like three am. I'm
a night out. Okay. You want me to get up
and work at like seven am and be productive, That's
not gonna happen. It's gonna take me at least two hours,
like in like three coffees to get going.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
We probably have the same conversation last time.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
We probably did. But this is my life right now, Stewart.
This has been my whole life right now. But we did.
We went, I took the baby, had swim lessons. The
other two are in swim lessons. I'm not gonna talk
about that right now, but we are gonna do like
a little like a like a little update on the Patreon,

(02:14):
so we'll we'll talk about things there. And then I went,
I was gonna tell you I went by the car
wash today and I just want to I just want
to ask people. I have high anxiety going to the
car wash. There's a lot going on when you go
to the car wash too, so you've got the like
I feel like everything's real narrow, you know, going in

(02:37):
and it's one of the car washes so out here
it's so dusty and everything. We we just it's cheaper
just to buy the unlimited membership each month. So because
I go run our van through the car wash once
a week because it's just so dusty here, your car
just gets like dirt caked on it, like every week.
So it's one of those ones where there's like the

(02:57):
people there and they're like when you enter the car
wash are spraying off your stuff, and then when you exit,
they're like drying it. You like get your car gets
like pushed through and everything that I understand, you know
what I'm talking about to do, but I'm explaining to.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Everybody else and I'm nodding because they're nodding yes.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
So it's one of those and I don't know if
anybody else I get. I get extreme anxiety like going
through these things because there's just a lot going on.
You gotta like there's like people telling you to like
move up and like move your tires over. You gotta
get on the tracks just.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Right, and then somebody else is telling you to stop.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
They're telling you to stop. You got to put it
in neutral at some point. There's just a lot going on.
Then they're like dry, they're like like spraying off your car,
and they'll be like leaning in front of the car
and all of a sudden, the little machine will kick
on and it's like almost hit them. I'm like Jesus car. Anyways,
there's a lot going on. Every time I go into
the car wash, I get anxiety about it. I have
to turn the music off, like I really need to concentrate.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
You need to concentrate on riding through.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
The car wash, well, getting lined up and make sure
you don't hit anybody.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
And then exiting is a whole other issue because you're
like exiting, when do I put my car back in drive,
there's people trying to drive the car off and they're
like gonna get hit Like when do I stop? When
do I go? Is the other car gonna get shoved in?
It's just a lot. It's not the most enjoyable experience
for me. Well, today it was worse because so in
front of me there was like a guy in like

(04:14):
a work truck or whatever, and he had like a
vest on, you know, like a safety vest. And he
was also missing part of his ring finger, so definitely
a worker. And for you saying thing, I work in
an industry where a lot of people are missing fingers. Anyways, Anyways,
so he's in front of me, and then there's like
a I think we talked about. I think it's a Mercedes.

(04:37):
It's the one with the circle and the three points. Okay,
it's a Mercedes. That's a nice car. You know, this person,
I'm assuming it was I'm gonna assume it was a woman.
I'm assuming it was a woman. All of a sudden,
she starts she's in the tracks or whatever, and then
she starts backing up. And the guy I'm looking at

(04:58):
the one guy had his window rolled down, and I'm
like looking like and I'm sure my face is like
what the fuck, like like I'm already anxious enough. I
don't need you, like whatever you're doing. She backs up,
so he starts backing up. But we were at the
angle where I didn't have to back up anymore, but
there was cars behind me too, and I'm like, what
the fuck is she doing? So then she pulls back
in again. Well this time she misses the tracks completely,

(05:18):
her tire's going to slip, Like this is like my
worst nightmare of what's gonna happen me. The guy in
the work truck in front of me, he starts looking
at me. Sorry, we had to pause for a second.
Stew had to cough anyway, So he starts looking at me,
and then he gets out because I guess he's gonna
go help the person right because she has backed out,
she she misses the tracks, she backs out, she pulls
forward again, she hits the tracks this time, but then

(05:40):
she backs out again. So he's getting out of his truck.
He's gonna go help her, Like what a nice guy.
And then the workers that were doing the drying at
the other end I found out, they were like, where's
the hold up? Where's all the cars? The cars at
So they come over there. They're trying to like talk
to this lady or whatever, like it's fine, just go forward.
I guess she didn't know. Oh, she might have been

(06:01):
panicking about the tracks or whatever. But she then she
started missing him, so twice she missed him after she
backed out, went back in, and then finally they were like, no,
just keep going forward and then put your car car
neutral anyways, and then the guy in the truck, he's
looking at me. He's like laughing and he's like, I
don't know, and I was like, and then I guess
he kept I kept watching her, you know, my face,
I can't control what it looks like. And I'm just

(06:21):
like like, what the fuck And he's looking at me,
laughing at me because I'm just like, what's wrong with
this person? Anyway? So then I'm like, oh my god,
it's my turn to get up. And I was just like,
I had the music off. I'm like, I gotta focus.
I'm like, kids, shut up.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I got after you just saw this piasco going out? Yes,
I thought you were next time?

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, so yeah, I was like, oh god, this is
like I was starting. I was like, this happens to
people in the car was wash and they look so
stupid and everything. So but I made it through. I
lined my tires up, I put it in neutral. It
did like jolt the car forward and it almost hit
the guy, but that was on him and I made
it out safely. But I don't know what that persons

(07:00):
problem was. And yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Probably don't like going through car washes.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
No, but that's my anxiety like they act like they've
never been through one, or maybe they do this all
the time. But that's like my biggest fear is that
I'm gonna be that person that gets off the tracks.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Anyway, so well, congratulations, I'm making it home.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Thank you. I do it. Just this intense moment for
me today. So anyway, So that's what uh, I just
I'd like to know if anybody else gets anxiety going
in the car wash. You don't obviously, you don't get
anxiety going into the car warsh Stu I.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Wonder if it's going to break down.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Only sometimes I always thinking then I'm like, oh my god,
what's this is like a horror movie? And then it's
just gonna shut off in the middle wire I'm in
the middle of it, and then it's gonna like the
lights are gonna go and the ends are going to
close up, and then some guy's gonna jump out and
just start trying to stab everybody.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Is that every No, the NDS cannot close up because
there ain't no doors on the ends.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
There's got to be doors on the end. How do
they have security.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Security from one people going in there and tampering with
the wash?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Stewart, I guarantee those nice ones. They probably have rolled
down doors or something that close it up. They're not
gonna leave all that expensive equipment in there and everything
just accessible to the public at night, especially in this town.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I have not checked it out, but it's quite possible
they have to.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
I feel like they do, and I feel like it
could turn into a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Not a hell I want to die on.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
So okay anyway, So that's what that was. What's happening
today to me? I know to you, yes, this happened
to me.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Sounds like it happened to the other lady.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
You know, she seems so aloose. She probably didn't even
think twice about that she did that. But I would
it would.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Laughing about it now.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
If that happened to me, I would be mortified for
the next week and would not be able to go
back to the to the carrsh I'd be like, Stu,
you got to do it. I can't.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I can't do it. That's how they know that you
got the annual pass.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Anyways. All right, Well that's it, So we have our
paid Treon. We're going to be recording a little true
crime round up, just like Little Life updates for the Patreon.
Why are you whipping me? I was thinking about calling
it true crime review with Karen Stu and we're just

(09:17):
going to talk about somethings.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Talk about I'm not going to discuss this with me
when that's we're just doing it. I'm doing and you're
going to name it. What do you care? I care?

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Anyway. So, because I've been looking at the Karen Reid stuff,
mainly on TikTok, because I'm beginning Stuart, you know that's
not even remotely true. Okay, don't get me started to
get somebody else going anyway. So we'll talk about that stuff,
and then we have our Facebook Instagram TikTok I did
it real? Or whatever they call them? What's the tiktoks?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I ain't got a tiktoks?

Speaker 1 (09:51):
What is it that they post? It's not a real
that's it's just a video.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I guess. I don't know. It's a talk. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I got like three hundred new followers in the last week,
so I thought that was pretty good. What do you think?
How zero? Anyway, So we're over on the tiktoks. I'm
gonna start sharing more I think on the TikTok and
then I'll make sure and try to share it on
the Instagram, Facebook. TikTok's just super easy to just open
up your phone and just go like just talk, Instagram

(10:18):
and Facebook. You got it more. It feels more like polished,
like you they want you to, like, you know, be
have it all again.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Putting turns out there. They want you to polish them
up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yes, but TikTok doesn't care, and they're like, yeah, we'll
show this to everybody you look terrible and send it
out to the mask. Yeah. So anyway, so that's what
we're doing. Uh oh. I wanted to thank sean to
she bought us some coffee after I made everybody feel
bad last week. So not everybody, that's one of the

(10:50):
rest of you fuckers. I had to buy my own
coffee this week anyway, So thank you very much. And
I think that's all. Oh rate reviews. Unless your name's Alice.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
She can go back and fix her one start a five.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Do you think she's still listening?

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I doubt it. I don't know why she's selling your
head though.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
I don't know, Stuart.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's been like five episodes ago this.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Happened, I know, But now she's the she embodies everybody
who writes a bad review.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Now, well there's a few of them.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, So but Alice seems to have just because she
take the effort to go to Facebook and all that stuff. So, yes,
what a loser?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
All right?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
So I think that is it. So let's go ahead
and get into our go ahead do what did I say?
Get in head? Go ahead, go ahead? And it's like
that TikTok I saw that was so I died laughing
at that one. It's like some sort of skit in
the Little The guy's name is Chit and he's like
this little dorky white guy and he works in the

(11:52):
office and there's like this black lady and then another
guy in there and he walks in. He's like, uh,
such as such said there's a black person here, and
then he keeps out. He's like what, and she goes,
what did you just say? Yeah, such as such said
there's a black person here, and she's like uh. And
then one guy's like, well, there's a white person here too,

(12:12):
and he's like, I don't need a white person need.
I don't need one of those, or I don't need
one of those. There's a I need a there's a
black person here, and she's like excuse the black Lady's
like excuse me, chit and then he walks over. He
picks up it's a black purse and she's like you
did you just say a black purse in here? He's like, yeah,

(12:34):
this is anyways.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
So everybody in on it or what I think.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
It's like a they're like skits Chit's like the it's
like a skit comedy thing. So they planned it, but
it was just like yeah, and so then everybody's taking
the audio and like making funny stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
So they weren't.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
No, it's all like a like a skit thing I
think of like an office. And then he's like, is
there a black person here anyways?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Kind of like that one I tried to show you
and you're like, nope, I'm out the Tom Segura where
he was going to the kids play, yeah, because I didn't.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
That's not my kind of humors do, Okay, it's not
my kind of humor. Fine, we have different types of
humors do very different and music taste and music taste.
One of us is right and one of us is wrong.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Stu, I'm sorry, you're all right.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
So let's go ahead and get into this case out
of Oklahoma. So Rick Swan grew up in Claremore, Oklahoma,
on a dairy farm, and this was setting about when
he was growing up. I think he was born around
I couldn't find the exact birthday, but in the I
think nineteen fifties time. Anyways, he had a brother who
he was very close with, and they would just like

(13:52):
just had the far you know, Oklahoma dairy farm for
family was described as salt of the earth. He loved
fishing and just having a good time.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Who doesn't.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Now when he wasn't on the farm, he was actually
working the pipelines all over the US. So he traveled
a lot landsome pipe yep. And so it didn't leave
a lot of time what is wrong with you? What
is wrong with you? Anyways, So it didn't leave a
lot of time for like finding a relationship, finding love.

(14:27):
But he did make a lot of money doing this,
Like you know, pipeline workers, they make a lot of money,
especially if they travel and do all that stuff. So
he had the farm and he had this money from
the pipeline. He didn't ever get married, so he's just
saving up this money. So he built himself quite a
portfolio of and had quite a bit of money. Well,
at forty five, he starts dating. I guess he decided

(14:49):
it was time to, you know, have a partner. So
at forty five, he begins dating a childhood friend named
Kathy Foster now Rick and Kathy. They moved fast in
their relationship and he ptty much just spoiled Kathy. He
just he just loved her a lot and just thought
she was you know the besneys do.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Was she a bartender? That's where he'd go whenever he
got off of work.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
I feel like I feel like she based on her
I feel like maybe she could.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Have been based on the people I've seen that work
in the oil field or pipeline community.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
He probably met her at a bar, met her.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
At a bar. Yeah, spent his entire well he at time,
going to the bar.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yes, And she was a childhood friend, and he like
strikes up this romance with her, and then he's just
like obsessed as soon as they start dating. Well, Kathy,
she had suffered with mental issues and went through depressive
periods where she was on medication and she'd also she's
also had tried to take her life at one point
but with Rick, she seemed very happy, so she kind

(15:51):
of like stabilized and they were doing really good. So
in two thousand and five, he proposed to Kathy with
the two carrot diamond ring. Stew Kathy's not the problem
in this. Let me just.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yes, the red flags thought it was a circus one
or the other.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Anyways, he so it was a two carrot dim ring.
So that's like a that's a big ring. That's I
don't know how much that's worth, but it's a lot.
So they married out at Rick's parents home in the
country because they were just like country folk, you know.
Now Kathy did have two grown sons, Brandon and Kevin.
Now she had she was She spoke to Brandon at
this point, but she had became estranged with Kevin. Kevin

(16:36):
had been kicked out of the home, but she still
wanted She wanted to be in his life, but they
just he had gotten kicked out for some reason and
they just weren't talking that much. So when Rick gets involved,
he starts trying to like, Kathy really wanted Kevin back
in her life when he talked to her. So Rick
goes out of his way to try to bring Kevin
into the fold, stay out of it. Try to bring

(16:57):
Kevin in the folds. He gets him a trailer out
there and kill clairemore one puts him through school, and
Kevin eventually, you know, kind of becomes stable in terms
of like he gets a job at a bank. He's
doing pretty good. Some of the bad behaviors he had
before have gone away, and he's talking to his mom again.

(17:17):
My question is did it have to do with the
fact that she just married someone with a bunch of money.
But we'll get into it.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
So Kevin and his mom, like I said, they were
rebuilding this relationship and things were going well for a while.
And so eleven years into their marriage, in twenty sixteen,
I guess Kathy went through like another depressive state and
she actually took her own life. Now, Rick became very
depressed after this. He even thought about taking his own
life in the months after. But about four months after

(17:48):
she committed suicide, he finds this suicide note that was hidden.
I guess she had tucked it away. So he discovers this,
and Kathy had outlined, you know, like why she did
this and what she wondered for Rick and everything that
and This kind of gave him some closure, and so
he was able to start living again, and he kind
of regained his love. He started going back to the

(18:08):
things he did before fishing, and was really just starting
to try to recover from this tragic event of his
wife taking her own life.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Did not see that coming, I know, if.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
That's what you were already like blaming Kathy. I'm like,
stew calm down. You're like, could you've warned me a
little bit before we started this.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
No, I could not let you walk in I watch
you twist.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yes, I had to watch you twist in the wind,
and I'm trying to pull you back down. But yes.
So it was kind of a time in Rick's life
where he was really happy and then all this stuff happened,
and now he's trying to come out of this tragedy.
So one of the notes I we don't know, Stuart
didn't say. I didn't get a copy, okay.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
On November fifteenth, twenty eighteen, a call comes into nine
one one about a huge fire on top of a
hill at a property owned by well known resident. You
know who that might be Rick Swann.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, well, because in Claremore, I don't think well, Oklahoma's
not that big of a state anyways, but clairemore so
small town. If he's probably one of the wealthiest residents
in claremore So, he is known because he owns like
different businesses and everything like that, and it's been there
his whole life.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, firefighters they do arrive on the scene, they find
the barn is engulfed in flames. In the barn, there's
an RV and it appeared to be the source of
the fire. They get the RV out of the barn.
How they didn't manage that well.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
I think that they got it out. It was pretty
severely burned, so I think they got like chunks of it.
They were able to extinguish it and pull the pieces
of the RV out. Yeah, from what I could tell.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Upon removing the RV, they find a burned body inside.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Of the barn. Of the barn, yes, because I think
it was They believe the body was originally in the
RV and it burned and fell out, and so when
they pulled it.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Out, that body fell on the ground.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I guess something like that.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Now, they didn't know on initial examination if this was
accidental or intentional. The body was very charred, but they
could see that the position that he was laid out in,
it was his arms and legs were splayed out, So
it was not the typical position you would find a
burned body that got caught on fire while they were alive,
because they.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Probably they'd normally be tucking themselves or or something.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, So they keep inspecting and they find that there
were three gunshot wounds, one of the back of the head,
one of the lower back, and one of the chest.
So police believed that this was clearly a suicide homicide.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Well, the way it goes, do you had one job?
One job? Now police were looking at a very intentional murder.
Not only was Rick shot in the back of the
head and twice in other parts of his body, he's
also you know, set on fire. I mean, this is
like very intentional. Now, with the crime scene being set
on fire, it was difficult to pull evidence, but they

(21:07):
did find the shell casings from the three bullet wounds. Now,
this is a small town, so word gets out real
real fast that Rick has been murdered. Now, Rick's personal attorney,
who would handle like his business stuff, his wills, things
like that, once he heard Rick was gone, he immediately
calls police, and he's like, hey, you know who did this?
It was Kevin.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Oh, Kevin, yes.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
And so Kevin is, you know, the step son, one
of the steps So he was the one that had
the falling out and Rick kind of brought him back
into his mom's life. Now, please speak to the lawyer,
Rick's lawyer, and he outlines the fallout between Rick and
both the step sons. Now, after Kathy's death, Brandon and
Kevin blamed Rick for the death of his mother. Now

(21:52):
I don't they didn't go into they they didn't go
in details, but basically they're saying, like they know it
was not him that killed her, but saying it drove her, yeah,
or drove her to it or whatever. I'm guessing there
was issues before and then this was like the last
thing and then they were like, well you you you
drove my mother to suicide. Blah blah blah blah blah.
You know like that kind of stuff. So anyway, so Kevin,

(22:15):
he would he could not uh like, while Brandon blamed
him as well, Kevin could not get over the blame
that he placed on Rick. He also tells police about
Kevin's financial issues and that Rick had been helping Kevin
when he began struggling at his job and with his finances, because,
like we said, Kevin was not doing well, and then

(22:37):
Rick helped him out, and then he's slowly slipping back
into his old ways. Now, Rick did let him borrow
seventy five hundred dollars and this was through a bank
account that Rick opened jointly with Kevin. So I guess
he opened a bank account, put some money in there,
and allowed Kevin to have like a debit card. But
he could he only was told He told him he could,
you know, borrow such and such money. Well, he then

(22:58):
found out that Kevin was taking extra money out and
a total of seventeen thousand dollars was missing. Now, while
he was upset, he did let it go. He did
let it go, but he just said, I'm not gonna
help you anymore, Kevin. You've lied to me, You've stolen
from me. But Rick had money, so he was like,
it wasn't you know something that seventeen thousand dollars wasn't

(23:20):
gonna you know, he wasn't gonna be able to not
pay the rent or something like that. So he did
let it go. But he kind of that was kind
of the end of him and Kevin's relationship. Now, Kevin
wasn't happy about this, and so then he asked Kevin.
So then he asked Rick. He's like, okay, well, if
you're not gonna give me any more money, then I
want my mom's to care at diamond ring because that
was her ring, and so I think it should be

(23:43):
with me because I should inherit it after she died,
which is not how it works. Okay, there, if the
spouse is still alive, they get it. They get it,
not only did it especially he got it, yes, and
if his mom didn't have something just written out that's
saying that he got the ring, then he had didn't
really have anything to stand on. So Rick refused, but

(24:05):
Kevin didn't drop it. He then demanded that Rick give
him half of his mom's estate, meaning half of Rick's estate.
He's like, wait a minute, my mom died and she
owned half of your stuff, so therefore I should get it.
That's like, that's not how that works either. Okay there, Kevin,
and you worked at a bank. Come on, Kevin. So
he even wanted not only ricks a state that he

(24:26):
had in the eleven years that he built up, he
wanted everything he thought he was entitled even half of
everything that's Rick owns, like period before he before even yeah,
before he even married his mom. Because a lot of
times if they had gotten divorced, they might have stopped
and said, okay, starting at this point, you know, anything
before that, she's not entitled to half of it. But

(24:46):
during the time you were married, anything you gained earned,
then then she's entitled to half. So this isn't even
what are you talking about.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Get half anyway? No, that he signed a prenup.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
No, A lot of times they'll look at they'll say,
well they had this before. You know who's you know
who really got fucked over? Though? Who the the Jeff
Bezos ex wife.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
She got a fortune.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
No, it doesn't matter. She was with that bald headed,
dorky looking man when he was started Amazon. She helped
him start Amazon. And I understand she got thirty eight
point four billion dollars. Okay, she's gonna be fine. O.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
God, she could be starving them.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
She got four percent of Amazon is what happened. But
the thing is is that she helped him build this thing.
They were married from like nineteen ninety three to twenty
nineteen she was with him that whole entire time, and
she only got thirty eight billion. I think she should
have got half. She helped him build up the company, right,
She was right there at the beginning while he was

(25:44):
in that garage with this little Amazon banner and his
pop belly and his baldy head, and she's stuck in there,
you know. Anyways, and then that lady he's marrying now,
she's got like she'd be looking she'd be looking rough.
Stew not that she wasn't pretty before. It's just like,
I don't understand all these people in Hollywood. You don't

(26:06):
see how ridiculous you look. You look like freaking like
the cryptkeeper with your fillers and your lips, and then
they put the fillers in their cheeks. They look like
that the Jigsaw guy on the tricycle with those high cheekbones. Anyways, Yes,
they just get too much work done. They should just
let she was pretty before.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, I think bezos Husban has been number.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Four or five too, so yeah, I think it's three
or four. She was married to Tony guns or she
was married to Tony Gonzalez, which that's a big win.
You know, he's a good looking fellow.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
He was.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
He helped me win my fantasy football the first year. Yes,
I picked him based on his tight end, so it
turned out he was really good anyways. So yeah, So,
so Kevin has a very misconstrued understanding of what he
is entitled to after his mom took her home, own life,

(27:00):
and if Rick's money is what's going on.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yes, Kevin sounds like he's a grifter. Yes, pretty much. Yes,
things start to get worse and worse between old Rick
and Kevin. Kevin files a lawsuit against Rick, saying that
Rick owes him money from a bank account that he
is owed from his mom's estate. Rick counter susan, this
pisses off Kevin even more.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, because he's trying to say that that money that's
in that bank account that he was on jointly that
Rick took away from him, he should have been entitled to.
I don't know if that was something that maybe Kevin
or Rick had put in there saying, like, you know,
I don't know what the deal was, but he thought
that all that money in that bank account he should
be entitled to because it's part of his mom's estate. Again,

(27:45):
we're just what an idiot.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
So Rick starts noticing things start missing from his house,
including wedding photos, jewelry, and this includes the two caret
wedding ring. He even documented this on camera, all the
items that are missing. He believed Kevin was responsible for
breaking in and taking these things, and he looked dead
in the camera, and he wanted people to see this
because he said, if something happens to him, Kevin did it. Now.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I don't want to speak ill of the deads too,
but Rick was an older gentleman on an iPhone. All
the videos were of that terrible angle people, you know,
like old older people always talked down in heaven. Yes,
because I remember like when my mom was she had
to take a it was like back probably like in
I don't know, probably two thousand and like a long

(28:33):
time ago whatever, and she had to take a picture
for her badge at work, and she kept taking the
photo right here. I'm like, Mom, just just left it out.
Your mom sends photos like that too. They'll be like
down here, if you just raise your hand up it
that's angles so good, face out, get some light going on.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Your face, side of your neck.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Everybody looks bad from this angle anyway. So he's like
recording and it's like that. So I just thought that
was he didn't care what he looked like. He was
just like, what did it document that, oh, Kevin been stealing.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
From It was quite obviously he didn't care what it
looked like. No, Rick did file theft charges against Kevin.
Kevin was brought in and questioned, but denied any involvement
in the things missing at Rick's house. The icing on
the cake was when Rick went out to visit Kathy's grave,
he found that her original gravestone that he had placed
there had been moved to the side, and a larger,

(29:28):
more elaborate gravestone was now in its place, with Kathy's
maiden name on it and the last name Swan was removed.
This pissed off Rick, as one white imagine.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Because it was also Rick supposed to be rix gravestone too,
because it said, you know, it's got the place for
the spouse, so it had Rick Swan and it said
his birth date too. I guess I could have got
his birth year from there. Anyways. Well, I don't think
they put that on there yet until it's time anyways.
And then Kathy Swan was next to the headstone the
new gravestone was quite elaborate. There was like a place

(30:03):
to sit in a place. It's because he pawned that
two carrot diamond ring and went and bought it.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Probably probably had to get rid of the evidence that
he had. Now Rick is upset. He files a restraining
in order to restraining order to keep Kevin away from
the grave site.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Not from him from the gravesite.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yes, until a hearing can occur on November fifteenth, twenty eighteen,
the day of the murder.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
All right, so please. They began questioning neighbors, so they
got this whole like, they got this whole backstory from
the lawyer. So now they need to go out and
just see what they can find. So they start questioning
the neighbors and they find that a red Mini Cooper
had been parked outside of Ricksgate around ten forty am.
First mistake. A red Mini Cooper in the town of Claremore, Oklahoma.

(30:51):
How many of those do you think there are? They'd
almost be like, driving a red Mini Cooper around here,
you're gonna stick out like a sort thumb like it's
there's probably only one person on here. Well, you know
the Mini Cooper had its heyday. You know there for
a while, but it has since passed nobody.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, my dad had one.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yes, they had the Yeah, I thought they were cute though.
I remember back then I was like, oh, I want
a Mini Cooper. Oh that's so cool. But now I'm
glad I didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, because you'd still be driving and probably stuck with it,
still be paying on it.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yes, but those were like a hot commodity, but not
in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Kind of like the PT Cruiser.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Oh no, the pet the PT Cruiser.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Didn't glad I didn't get one.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
No, those were so hideous the.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
People they were, but everybody loved them.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
No, it's like a certain type of person that drives
a PT Cruiser, like someone who works in an it.
What I think of that of like a someone who
works in it. Possibly someone who works at a coffee shop,
Like that type would be driving a PET Cruiser current

(31:57):
day stew It's also the same people that drive those
like boxy like things, and they're always like Neon green
or something.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
All those scions are those the.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Ones that are like real square.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Shaped, the ones you get at the Toyota dealership.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
I don't remember I think they are anyways, they're always
like a crazy color like lime green or something like that. Anyway,
so he's he's They see this red Mini Cooper, uh,
pulled up around ten forty and just this is just
thirty minutes prior to the fire department being called to
the scene. Now, this being a more distinctive car like
we talked about, they start looking to see if anyone

(32:34):
has seen this car or has this car on a
surveillance camera. Because the Swan property is you gotta go
on like a major highway to get off the road
to go to to there, so there's like gas stations
and things like that. So they find footage of a
red Mini Cooper passing by a gas station and speeding
away from the Swan property. Now they can't get a

(32:56):
license plate number, so they continue to scour the area
for the car. Now, while they are looking for the
Mini Cooper, they get a call from a cemetery worker
stating that a red Mini Cooper was seen speeding away
from the cemetery on that day.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
This is a terrible coincidence.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, yes, this is almost like the Karen Reid trials.
Do How can someone be button dialed that many times?
You know? Butt dolls were a big deal back when
you had like a push button phone, but not on
an iPhone, you know, like when you had an old self,
like when cell phones used to have to like push
the buttons physically. I mean, I know you have to

(33:35):
physically hit the buttons on the iPhone, but like you
had to dial a number, but you could easily butt
dial someone because it hits that call and it would
go to your last call.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
And then especially if you had a speed dial set
up too. Yeah, press one, press and hold one for
a Yeah, you can collaborate, you program that too.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah. If this had been that when those phones around,
be like, yeah, they probably might have butt dialed or whatever.
But not today.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, kids, back on the day used to be able
to program one through nine for speed dialing your contacts.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah. So they have now the red Mini Cooper out
at the cemetery. So police head out there and they
find that the original swan gravestone that had been moved
to the side. Uh huh was now kicked over. No, No,
this fucker's so dumb. He is so stupid.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
He didn't do it. Nobody's so stupid.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Like, this can't be.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
He's being set up. This can't be just like Karen
Reid was set up.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Kevin's being Kevin's being set up.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yes, police are somehow sure this is related to Kevin.
On a hunch, they look up cars registered to him
and it includes a red Mini Cooper.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I mean, I don't think it took him that long
to like go from like talking to the neighbors and
then looking up Kevin like it. It wasn't like a
long time like this was pretty snippy snap, you know.
I'm pretty sure although it is Clairemore, Oklahoma, I don't
know how well.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
They ain't had much to do obviously, so they had
to look shut up. They also found out that Kevin
had been charged with embezzlement at the bank that he
worked at at around the time he started harassing Rick
for money.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yes, because he's up to his old ways of being
a grifter, being like sketchy.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Mm hmm. With this information, they go see Kevin and
he denies being in Claremore, but he's unable to really
explain the crime away or where he was or what
his alibi actually is.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
But he did they did talk about he so they
were supposed to go to court that day, and apparently
he did show up but it was like he did
show up and he's like, oh, where's Rick or whatever,
you know, but it was at a different it was
later in the day, so it didn't it wasn't going
to help him, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
No, because it wasn't at the time that Rick was
being murdered. Yes, they then asked Kevin about any firearms
that he had, and he became combative.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh yeah, they said, he got in like he like
And they kept they kept saying in the show I
was watching, they kept saying, it's fatal, it's fatal family feuds. Anyways,
they kept saying, the guys the family was like, Kevin
was not a what is the word they used, basically

(36:17):
not one. You wouldn't He's not like tough, you know,
he's he's not one to get in a fight or
anything like that or anything that. So for him to
he was easily subdued by the police.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well, he became combative and he was arrested for police interference.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, so they were able to at least like he's
an idiot, he's instead of them having to chase him
around and wait for him to speed that, he just
attacked the police and they were able to take him
in temporarily, you know, to hold him while they figured
this whole thing up.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
They the investigation, so we went to Lee. They speak
to his wife and she tells police that he had
a new job and was at work that day, and
that he was an upstanding member of society.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yes, she's I mean she knew he got was under
investigation for embezzlement charges at the Big I have thoughts
on this, bitch. Okay, her name's Alyssa spelled E l
I S s A, which is the first problem anyways.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
With an E listeners, and they just punched out.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
I feel like her name used to be spelled the
normal way. And then she was if I'll talk about
her later on, but and she changed it, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Oh you think she changed it? Yeah, well I was
gonna say, you can't choose the name that you're born with.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
No, she looks like she was or her parents just
knew who she was going to be.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Come on her main stage puts together for No.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
She just seems like, oh, it's not it's not Alyssa,
it's Elissa. You know. No, It's like those people that
are like it's not uh, it's not Kristen, it's Kirsten,
which their name is Kirsten.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
But I'm just saying, oh, yes, because you got a place.
They are in a different way. I know that.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
But just like their parents, intention did that. Well, it's
kind of like our daughter's name though.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yes, way to go.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Shutting on all these I know I did it myself,
but we also kind of knew who she was going
to be, and she's living up to.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
That little business.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Stewart.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
What I love her, dearly.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
It's great. She's just four four, she's a four nato
as they call as they say it's due.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Getting back to my story, the wife thinks that Elissa
thinks that old Kevin is an upstanding member of society.
She does admit to police that Kevin has two gunshopsie,
whoopsie popsy, way to go, Elissa, one match the caliber

(38:45):
found of the weapon used at the crime scene. They
send the gun to off four. God, can you even
talk to I don't know. I might be having a stroke,
I might be drunk. I don't know what's going on.
They send the gun off gun off two ballistics to
be compared to what was found at the crime scene.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
All right, So now that they've got that all going
and they've got talked to Kevin, got him in custody.
They were able to access Rick's will and they find
that there was a bit of a dig at old
Brandon and Kevin within the will. Brandon was gonna get
two dollars if Rick dies and Kevin would get one.

(39:26):
So he did like Brandon a little bit more, maybe
twice as much.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
But that's how you get people to come by and
shit on your grave, Daley. You get them to go
to a will raating to tell them that they at
getting shit, and well they're at if they're telling them,
don't even come.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
To the r No, he said he gave them two
dollars and one dollars to show that he liked Brandon
a little bit more and one dollars so they would
have to show up because they said they were going
to get their hopes up and say you did receive
something from his estate.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yes, that's how you get your grave shit on it.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Rick didn't care. I guess two shits were given by Rick. No,
zero shits, wait, zero were given. Zero fucks were getting?
Two shits were So they want to make sure that
so they got Kevin ardy and they want to make
sure Brandon's not involved because obviously there were some issues
there as well. They speak to Brandon, but they didn't

(40:15):
see that same kind of hatred that Kevin had for Rick.
They couldn't see any evidence of that. Now, Brandon, obviously
they weren't. He wasn't a fan of Rick, but he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Actively homicidal, yes, or.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Changing gravestones or doing things like that, Brandon, you know,
not wanting to be implicated with Kevin. He shows police
a photo that Kevin sent him with a shooting target
with the words rip Rick written on the bottom of it.
He's gone to the shooting range, you know, it's a
little outline of the person. And he said and he

(40:47):
sent him that, And he's like, so, I mean, I
don't know, I didn't do anything, but Kevin got a
crazy Yeah. They also find out that Kevin didn't actually
have a new job. He'd been lying to his wife
or his life was still question what his wife knew,
and that he was, you know, not at that new
job that day or anything like that like he told

(41:08):
supposedly told Elissa Elissa. Yeah. So yeah, So Kevin's a
liar all around and a psychopath so and a dumb
ass if you're going to actually shoot somebody, don't send
somebody a picture of a shooting range and put rip Rick,
and where's the people at the shooting range? Being like
this is a red flag? Okay, you can't put people's

(41:28):
names on the targets.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
They could have stopped this, They.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Could have prevented this. Actually there's nothing. They could have
just told him not he can't go back here, you're crazy.
But yeah, that's like a like you can't do that,
you know.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Cops were able to get access to Kevin's Mini Cooper.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Which is also embarrassing ken a red Mini Cooper, and.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
They find a smash cell phone and a key to
a safe deposit box. In that safe deposit box, they
find all those items that Rick document it as missing
in the phone. They were able to pull GPS data
shown that the phone had been nearby the crime scene.
They were also able to find deleted videos of a

(42:10):
body burning and video of the barn burning. This show
that Kevin not only killed Rick, but also filmed it.
Kevin Foster was arrested and charged with murder and pleaded
not guilty. If you can believe it, Yes, he was
scheduled to go on trial in November of twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Now, in December of twenty eighteen, Rick's brother was cleaning
out that barn where the fire started and he finds
this game camera. Now, you don't know what a game.
Whenever they first said game camera, I was like, game camera,
like for a PlayStation, but it's not. It's it's a
I had InterRail camera. And then the guy had such

(42:53):
a thick accident I didn't have. I normally I do
watch with close captions because once you start, you can't stop.
And so when I were a close caption family, but
on my phone, the close captions weren't turned on, and
I could not He had such a thick accent. Stewart,
and I grew up in East Texas, like I can understand,
I know, But I also grew up in Oklahoma. I can.

(43:14):
I grew up for eight years there. I have a
birth certificate in Oklahoma. Stuart.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
You said you grew up there, Okay.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Well I'm familiar with a thick accent, Stuart. I could
not understand what this guy was saying. So I had
turned the close capture on and it's like, oh, game camera,
and I'm like, that doesn't look like what kind of
game camera. I was thinking it was like a I
was like, oh, maybe a toy camera. And then I realized,
no game camera like for deer for a wildlife and
stuff like that. But it didn't make sense to me

(43:42):
because it was in the garage. I'm like, why is
it in the garage or whatever?

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Well, that's where you put it.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
When No, he had it set up to operate in
the garage. So he had it set up operating guard
because of all the issues he was having with Kevin Stuart,
so he had moved this game camera inside to catch
any activity that would go on in the garage. So
he's not sure if this is still working or not
because obviously was in a fire. He turns it into police.

(44:09):
Now they are able to pull up the footage caught
by the game camera. Now this is so this was
so creepy on the documentary that they have this footage
and they like show you it or whatever. So it's
a game camera, so it doesn't record like how many
of her you know, like how you get a camera
and it's it does how many how many frames per
second or whatever, and like the real high quality ones
have more frames per seconds if you will.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
No and these are motion activated too.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
And they're just yeah, they're just you taking quick little
photos basically is almost like it's not continuous or anything.
So you see Rick enter and turn on the light.
You see his back and you see him head. They
know where the RV was sitting, and he turns, and
the RV is not actually in the video, but the
entry into the RV is so you can't see it,

(44:56):
but you see him turn and the only way, the
only place to go is in the RV. Well a
minute and twelve seconds later you see a foot enter
a brown loafer stew not a loafer, yes, and and
a man in an ill fitting suit walks in. It's
freaking Kevin, and so it's taking these like snap photos.

(45:16):
And then they it snaps a photo and you can
see the gun in his hand like it was real
creepy because this is like a murder, like they have
basically footage of this murder like about to occur. So
then you see so then all of a sudden, Kevin's
standing there with the gun, and then you see the
next snap he's moving tore out of the frame towards
the RV, and then you never see Kevin or I mean,

(45:37):
you never see Rick leave again because they found his
body in the barn, but they believed he was killed
in the RV and then it burned and then it
fell out in the barn. Anyways, so this kind of
confirms all of that. And then you see Kevin come
back into the frame. He has a glove on and
he's holding a trash bag of items he stole. He

(45:58):
leaves with those, he comes back into the frame, he's
got gas cans like this, I mean, and then all
of a sudden, next thing, you know, you seem lee
or you see him walking away, and then the next
flame or the next frame, it's just like red flames
and then smoke being captured or whatever. So, I mean,
they have the whole crime caught on camera.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Sounds like a pretty durable trail camera.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah it was I don't know what Brandon was, but
if you're into that didn't that's the one to buy.
So yeah, they got this whole footage and it is
kind of creepy because you just see this foot come
in like right right after Rick. And you know, if
Rick had no Rick didn't know he was there, because
Rick would have never invited him into He didn't want
him there, you know, after the whole grave thing and

(46:44):
everything that he so he was just watching him and
following him.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, police show this evidence too. Listen Lissa Foster, Kevin's wife,
and up to this point she's telling police that he
didn't do it, hand done it and hand done. She
now she's emotional when she sees this footage, and they
have her call Kevin in jail to basically try and

(47:10):
get some kind of confession out of him on record,
just of her.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
So this is where I have my problem with Ilisa. Okay,
she claims that Kevin's this upstanding citizen, which she knows
he's not. She has to be well aware of the
feud between Kevin and Rick. I mean, there's no way
to not be. She also has to be aware of
why the feud and that she's got to be in
Kevin's Kevin's head back there going, well, he's got all

(47:35):
that money that you've got to be entitled to some
of that for your mom, right, Because when they.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Put as Kevin and I ain't getting the shit that
I want. I needed you to go get this money
from Rick.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Let me tell you why I believe this. So they
have Alyssa on the on the so they recorded her
talking to Rick, and I guess whenever they do call
she I think she was calling from her house though
or something, so I don't or something. And they have
Rick on the camera in the jail or whatever, and
so they have them like side by side. I mean
it's Kevin. Yeah, they have them side by side. Alissa.

(48:06):
She's got these long ass red fingernails, this bleach blonde hair,
and these fucking lips that have all these fillers in them. Well,
Kevin's broke all that shit cost a lot of money.
Don't even try to tell me that Alissa did. Wasn't
aware that he was trying to Melissa. We all know
it was Alissa until you became like Elissa, you don't

(48:28):
even try to tell me. She was not trying to
encourage Kevin to go after this money, and she probably
knew he had something to do with it. And then
whenever she got finally confronted with the actual footage, she's like,
oh wait, I can't be implicated in this.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
So yeah, she has shit sounds serious, Yes, I got yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
But she had the fake red fingernails like long, like
clickety clack, and then the blonde hair, the bleach one
hair and then those lip fillers is where I was like,
and she had the ones that looked like they were
in her cheek too, like that Jeff Bezos' wife, knew
wife had You know that loo looked terrible, But yeah,
she looked high maintenance.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
I don't know, why are you trying to get Jeff
Bezos to come after us?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
She looked very high maintenance.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Lauren Sanchez is going to hear this and be like,
crush them.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
He could, he could, he probably could, Like think of
all those nice things I said about his ex wife.
She might come and save us.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
You think she's only got thirty eight billion dollars. What
can she do?

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I can't crush Jeff Bezos. But you know he's only
the third richest man. It's Elon Musk right now. I know,
I know they did. They dabble back and.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Forth, they'd switch depending on the stock process.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
It's Elon current day. Today it's Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg
and then Jeff Bezos. Jeff Jeff Bezos gives off tacky money.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
You know, new money vibes.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
New money vibes, and I'm not digging it, like yo,
that wedding I felt was very tacky.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I got a triple white trailer, yes, and my reclining
cash got a beer holder.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yeah. So Jeff Bezovs gives off new many vibes.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
We must be the new money because Marmacloann I got
a beer holder too.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Well. I'm not a fan of couches with cup holders,
but I gave in for now. Once these children are
older and we can have nice things again. I don't
want a couch with cup holders. Stewart. I think it's
so tacky not to say anybody out there a couple hold.

(50:28):
We currently have them. They're nice to have, but I
would like.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
A I'm going to tell Eric Church what you said about.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
It's the couch we have from rooms to the character
that I would say, that's a that's a good couch.
So if you have a family, this thing is sturdy
like the cats. I mean they have got a little
a few call marks in it. But it cleans up
real nice every week when we clean it.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Put that leather en leaner on there it do it
do all right?

Speaker 1 (50:51):
We've gotten off tracks we have.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
We have Elisa. Elissa is emotional when she sees the footage.
We already said that she tells Kevin that they have
footage of him lighting Rick on fire. Kevin says it
is all manufactured AI. It's all AI yep, And he
says that they can't discuss it on the phone. She

(51:15):
says she knows that he did it and that he's
not getting.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Out of jail, and she's like, I gotta get out here.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I gotta get it here, I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
I need I have needs. I need to go find
a new husband.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I got to find a new husband with money.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Before this lip filler needs to be replaced. I need
to go down.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
On November sixth, twenty nineteen, Kevin still was pleading not guilty,
despite all the evidence and even the ballistics coming back
as a match to the gun that he owned. After
an eight day trial, the jury finds Kevin Foster guilty
on all charges and he sent us to life in
prison without the possibility of parole. Yay jury, yay yo, blaha, no.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
No, no, but yes, but well, actually the judge is good.
Harry Oklahoma is questionable because whenever they said, they said
he was sentenced to forty five years on want and
I turned it down. I was like, how the fuck
is this guy not in jail, either with the death
penalty or with life without pearl. Well apparently, so then
I started looking and some one article said he did

(52:18):
plead guilty, but he went into a trial for eight days.
I don't know if he like played guilty at the
end after it looks so bad, you.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Complete guilty at any point in the.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Track, like maybe the jury was out, maybe the right
I don't know. Anyways, in Oklahoma, a life sentence is
only forty five years.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
It's like some European countries do they give you a
life sentence, but it's not like it's like twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I think Candadate's like twenty five years or something like that.
So then that guy that like tried to eat people
on the bus, Yeah, and then like try to eat
him or something like that, he's out now.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
They sent him to a mental institution and.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Then he was out like in like a couple of years. Anyways,
is only forty five years. But the judge did do
right because he had all these other charges like desecration
of a bus, theft, things like that, so he stacked
all these other charges and he didn't do it concurrently.
He did it consecutively. So even if he goes out,
he still has another fifty two years to serve for
these others, which I'm sure those others do have stipulations

(53:13):
where he could get out early.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Good time and all that. Both Kevin reduce it down.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Based on what Kevin. He had his little glasses and
his little like nerdy haircut, and it's like a little
I looked up his prison photo and it's not been
it's been rough on him. You know, think you rough.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I think he got the nickname too, hole Kevin in
the showers. Yes, oh two hole Kevin.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
It is like phone call on the on when he
was talking to his wife was like real high pitch,
like I just don't think he's doing well in prison
right now.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Anybody putting money in his commisartion. Yeah there's the probably
ain't got a wife.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
No. And Brandon, his brother, already liked me like here,
I don't want anything to do with this. I was
only gonna get two dollars.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Here is uh, here's your one dollar hair my two dollars.
Enjoy your commissary.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah, I don't know where all the money went. Of Rix,
though his brother was out at the he was the
one that found the camera. So I'm assuming things went
to his brother that uh, because he was the one
out that was able to access the barn to go
look for the camera and things like that.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
So reminds me I need to come up, but it
will cut you out, so you don't murder me me.
Oh please, I know I got three kids. You're not.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yeah, I can't murder You're not even worth anything dead.
I need you alive, but you can't kill me because
I do have life insurance. But I'm still worth more
after a couple of years, I'm still worth more alive
than the dead.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
It is it worth the trouble though.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yes, Stewart, I gave you poot.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Little not that poot, not that kind of poot.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Oh. We call our kids. The oldest one we call
her Shmunky, and the middle one we call him tooty,
and then the little baby we call her poot. So
it's Smunky, Tooty, and poot. So if you yours mentioned.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Them, i'll's have part in the first one. I had
no part in the last two.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Funky, Touty and poot.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I usually come up with the nickname and then it
just like I keep saying it enough that everybody that
eventually catches on and now they're schmunky, tuty and poot. So,
but she is a poot. You know, she's poot all right,
So that is our case for this week. Kevin's still
in jail.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Like we said, Well, I'm not worried about Kevin getting
in jail.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I'm not. I'm worried about Alyssa. Now I don't know
what she's up to.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
But e listen, listen.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
All right, STU, Do you have a y'all need Jesus
for this week?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I do. And there were some slim pickings so and
they're really really short.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Who was slim? And who was pickens?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Shut up?

Speaker 1 (55:53):
I don't have any more fun facts for you, guys,
because I have really been just in work mode. I
have been listening to some ADDI your books.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
There there. Tell me tell us I've.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Gotten into the dark romance? Uh genre?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yes, what's dark romance?

Speaker 1 (56:16):
I should just read I should just read you the
trigger warnings at the front of the book.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
You like reading some gray or some ship.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Oh it's worse than that.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Why am I not getting.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Any It's worse than that.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
They must not excite you.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
The trigger If anybody who listens or reads this book.
Just think the trigger warnings of lights out.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
That's what's lights out.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
It's a book stoo. I did listen to the next book,
Caught Up, and I did not enjoy that one nearly
as much. It wasn't my thing. But the first one was.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Why am I not enjoying the benefits of this?

Speaker 1 (56:50):
So light? It's dark romance, meaning like sometimes it's it's
the main characters have some like it's a bit gray
area or not even gray, just like full on like
you shouldn't do that because it's illegal. So the one
guy is like a like stalking the girl, but then
she's like into it.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Oh, this is like some some Penthouse forums.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, but it's in books. So anyways, there's a whole
dark romance category. So sometimes most of the time I
listen to like mysteries or thrillers and things like that.
But then sometimes I listen to you know.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Thrillas kid, god woman.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Stuart, whatever, you married it?

Speaker 2 (57:30):
How come I have no benefits? You did?

Speaker 1 (57:33):
You have received the benefits three children?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (57:38):
All right, you got your story points. I got you
were just waiting to.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
See I'm waiting to say how far this dark romance?
I didn't know nothing about no dark romance. I heard
a romance.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
I'll read you the trigger warnings.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
All right, Why don't you just read a chapter?

Speaker 1 (57:53):
No, we don't want to get banned band from what.
I don't know. I feel like Alice will do differently called.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
The cost Alice won't be listening this far into their
No Alice right.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Now has she doesn't even listen to the podcast anymore,
but she has heard how how we're making light and
inappropriate we are. She can just sense it, and she's
already writing her next review. She didn't even have to listen.
She's just like, I know, I know those.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
All right, go ahead, Okay. I had to go to
a different website altogether to find all these other things.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Similar how I had to go to a different website
to find lights out.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Really No, it's a dark web, yes, incognito. Different side
of TikTok incognito.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
What Yeah, they talk about this on tik talk.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Oh my god, I need to I need to get
in there and set some permissions on our router.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
There's a TikTok for everybody.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
I'm going to set some permissions on these phones for you.
You can't go down these.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Rabbit holes Okay, cool on idiot.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Criminal of the day. This is coming to us from
one on one wrif it's the uh, the Honk of
Honker Show somewhere up there and wherever, just to give.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Them credit for the Honk of Honka.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Show Morning Zoo Crew or some shit. What the horns
were they?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
I can't believe those radio shows still exist as morning shows.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
What what's wrong with morning shows? Well, there's just like
some of them are terrible. Okay. A nineteen year old
guy is in some trouble after carjacking a woman driving
for a ride share company Jeremiah Bender. Charles ordered to
lift ride back in October. According to reports, Once he
got to the destinations, that's when things took a turn.

(59:43):
Charles punched the female driver in the head, arm, and stomach.
While being continuously hit, the woman jumped out of the car.
It was at this point that Charles hopped into the
driver's seat and took off with the woman's toilet of Corolla,
never to be seen again. Now it wasn't hard for
police to track Charles down. He booked the lift ride

(01:00:03):
through his own account with his real name. A subpoena
to the lyft company gave cops all the information, all
of his information, and they tracked him down. They even
found the victim's car near his home. That's one. Since
they're so short, I'll give you a second idiot criminal
of the day. A drunk dad reported his kids missing Stewart.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yes, shouldn't this be safe for the patriar?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Maybe? A dad in Connecticut called cops to report his
kid missing after he popped into a grocery store and
they weren't in the car when he got back. Dumb, dumb, dum, dumb.
But it turned out he was drunk and he didn't
realize that he forgot the kids at home.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Oh Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
He was arrested on several charges.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
It's not funny. He should not be driving drunk to
the store. He could really, you're also going to bring
your kids along for the ride, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
You were so drunk you forgot them. Which, yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Kids, Sally were probably how old were the kids, did
it say?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Sane? That's why they're so short, I've read too. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Thankfully, home they're probably safe. Even if they were little.
They were safer at home than in the car with
the drunk driving dead.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, I don't know what the mom did hopefully she
got rid of this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Well maybe she was. Maybe it was like a custody situation,
you know, and she had kind of like that poor
lady that had I can't believe that judge let that
gave that guy visitation that was didn't even have a home,
like caught that home bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
But I'm sure he's killed himself by now. You think, yeah,
he was unstable, he had like I think they said
he had PTSD and things like that. He slowly like spiraled.
But the point is is that yes he's spiral.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
But the judgment of his car, they judged, they.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Judge would have not allowed and if they if he
did want to allow visitation, the dad should have had
to go to a visitation center. Like everybody else that
is unstable, they have to go to a visitation center
and be monitored the whole time. Why would you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Let them because this judge, I mean, and you can't
even sue this judge. They're like, oh, I'm a judge.
I know, I got a mirror to two.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah, it's like that same judge that gave that kid
that affluenza or whatever, the drunk driving because he was written.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah, oh he's rich. He's never had any responsibilities.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
He has affluenza. This is not his fault. This is
the parent's fault.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Oh two months, you're free to go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Yeah, anyways, we digress. So all right, Well that is
it for us. We are going to record a little
something for the Patreon, a little our thoughts on Karen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Reid, some dark romance chapters.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
And some uh maybe i'll read the trigger warnings for
you on there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Oh, I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Maybe I'll do that, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Then we're going to make a fourth child.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
No, we're gonna uh. And then maybe we'll talk about
swim lessons because it has been quite the quite yes,
quite the ride with the with old two d Sonny
get you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
It's a thirty minute class. I asked.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
If you like that MCA pool is filled with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Pea, just just go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
It's anyway. We'll talk about it, all right. So I
think that's it for us, and we will hopefully be
back week back next week on time. And by on time,
I mean by not Saturday, maybe Thursday or Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
So we'll happen, but it will not be Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
It probably won't be Wednesday for the Patreon folk.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
It'll probably be but it's scheduled for Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
It's scheduled for Wednesday on Patreon, and schedule for Thursday
everywhere else. It'll probably be late Thursday for Patreon. Well no,
I'm hoping to be off on Thursday. Okay, all right,
it's gonna be late next week, all right, so we.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Will kind of like you were last month.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
What it was not late, you idiot? I am not
pregnant for everybody. Okay, calm down, everybody, calm down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Might be after I read dark romance stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
All right, we gotta go, all right, we'll we'll. What
do I say?

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
All right? Bye?

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Everyone say bye Stew, bye st Don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Know it's bad to be superstitious, Bud? Nothing else. It's working,
and my hand's bretly burning and sick of it's worry,
bou my cambage