July 26, 2025 • 50 mins
On Thanksgiving Day 2004, a wealth couple living in Montgomery, Alabama is murdered. Immediately police have suspect and must track down how they were able to pull off the murder.
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey, everyone, welcome to Bless this Mess and then for
a Crump podcast I Don't care here with Stu. Say,
hey Stu, Hey, all right, we are back this week
and we are going.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
To Alabama, Alabama, Alabama.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
This episode is late this week because we here's the deal. Okay,
tell me we got all these children?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well I don't know where they even came from.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't either. I look around, like, what in the
daycare happened? Here's anyway, So we it's just hard to record.
The only real time we can record is either on
the weekends during nap time now or on Friday afternoons
because I usually only work half a day so then
I can come home we can record. So that is
why we're recording on the afternoon. But we're gonna try
(01:04):
to record another episode this weekend so we can get
ahead so we can start being back on time. Guys,
we did put out Shoot the Pooh on time, though,
didn't we?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I don't know?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, but maybe we did it on I don't remember. No,
I think we did it on it. We got it
out on Monday. Maybe. Anyways, why are you looking at
me like that?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, we had recorded it and we were like way
ahead and then.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Well we were ahead, but we The problem is, I
like we we can't record at nighttime because I go
to work at seven, so that means I have to
be up, should be up by six, usually up by
six thirty, and so I cannot stay.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Up till midnight.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yes, because record. Yes, they don't go to sleep because
they sleep in, which is fine because they don't go
to daycare or anything. So they sleep in, which is
just fine. But that means that they don't have these
early bedtimes. We've tried seven thirty. It doesn't work, so
they're really they really go to bed between eight thirty
and nine is realistically where they're at in their life,
(02:05):
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And sometimes do not go to actual sleep until eleven.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yes, it is what it is way to ghost do.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Why are you putting stuff on my calendar? Put did
I put in your calendar something about some photographers? Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Fall photos for the family. Yes, we try to do
fall family photos out here, but there is no fall
out here. But somehow that lady last year magically made
fall happen. There's one bunch of trees in this whole
entire town because the lady I work with, I was
telling her. I was like, yeah, we went and last
year we went and took these pictures in these trees.
She's like, oh, yeah, that's the set of trees that
everybody goes. There's only one place. And when I say
(02:43):
it looks like every corner of Louisiana or anything down south, now.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You go out in the backyard and that's what it
looks like.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well that's even a shittier version of what it looks
like in the backyard. But because it's like kind of
dried up bristle like hard stickery.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yes, I was sweating out there last time we went out.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, but this time anyways, this time we're doing at
this new thing, this new place in town. And we
waited until I was got on there early, so I
got the October date. So hopefully it's not hot.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's gonna be hot, it may not be.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
It's six point forty how by had yachty get two
o'clock in the afternoon. Yes, that's the other thing is
sometimes I choose nap on the weekend instead of recording,
and then I'm in a we're in a buying so
but where I do this this weekend, We're gonna be
good all right this week, we are going to Alabama
and we're doing a episode. I was watching Homicide for
(03:34):
the Holidays, a classic, and I came across this case
out of Alabama because frankly, I'm over summer. So like
the other night we watched Halloween movies because I just
close all the blinds, turned down the air conditioner and
pretend it's not summer anymore because I'm over it. But
so yeah, so I was watching Holidays for the homicide, like.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Some holidays for the homicide.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Aside for the holidays to get into the spirit of
a colder days because they cover they started branching out.
It used to just be Christmas, but now they're like, hey,
you got murdered on Thanksgiving. Sure, Halloween, definitely. They even
had a Fourth of July murder. So I'm gonna have
to watch that one.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
For next year. Time for next year, because you don't
think anything happens in July. No what we had that conversation.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
No, I just said, it's not my.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yes, it's not my cup of tomatoes. I'm a fall
winter cold weather person until after New Year's and I'm
over the cold too. I'm like, okay, let's move on.
I'm like everybody else, do I want what I can't
what I don't have right now?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Right? All right?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So we are going to cover this episode out for Thanksgiving.
We've been having our own Thanksgiving discussions ourselves, making plans,
but we'll talk about that later because we've yammered on already.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I don't know what this we shit is, but yes,
somebody has yammered on.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
All right, So if you want to join the Patreon,
you get the episodes twenty four hours early. They're ad free.
You also get the once a week. So far we've
been doing good of Shoot the Poo. Well, we'll probably
talk about our Thanksgiving plans because nobody wants to hear
about it here now. But we pretty much yammer on
about something and then we usually have something we're talking about.
(05:28):
Like last week we talked about Amy Bradley, and I
used I told everybody how what I thought happened, because
I think this is this has gone The Amy Bradley
thing is just out of control with the conspiracy theories
like this.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Is absolutely particulously ridiculous. I'm glad I didn't sit there
for all five episodes.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
There was only three Stewards.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, one episode seemed like four.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Anyway, so we talked about that one, and this week
we're probably going to talk about our reactions to the
Brian Coberger's victim.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Statements, all the impact statements.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yes, victim and victim. Yeah, impact statements. I also have
some controversial thoughts on those as well.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
A Stewart, Yes, I don't doubt it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
All right, So we have Instagram, Facebook, check out the TikTok.
I have been recommending documentaries and things like that over there.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Bradley documentary I did.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Everyone needs to watch it and have an opinion. I mean,
their opinion is.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Probably wrong, but if it doesn't line up with your yes.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
If it doesn't line up with mine. But I've been
slacking this week because it's just I've just been tired.
So and then we have oh, we have bias a coffee.
We got some more? Uh, buy me a coffee. I
feel super bad because I feel like I shamed people
(06:45):
into it. But Tommy bought us five coffee.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So really appreciate that bought us me.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Speaking of coffee, Okay, at the end the recipe at
the not the recipe at the end of the episode,
I will tell you I just made a new coffee
today that I saw on TikTok and it's absolutely delicious.
So I'll give you guys the recipe at the end
if you're still here and you want to know about it.
So all right, let's go ahead and get into this
week's episode. Out of Alabama. All right, So we start
(07:13):
with Brent and Charlotte Springford. So they live in Montgomery, Alabama,
in this super expensive Garden District.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Area, kind of like New Orleans has the Garden District.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yes, very very nice neighborhood. They were very well known
in the community. They were very wealthy. Brent was the
CEO of the Pepsi Cola bottling company there in Montgomery.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So I think he actually started not obviously didn't start Pepsi.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But now they're usually independent distributors that bottle it.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, so he was either a co founder or started
that that one that in that area. Yeah, because when
I lived in Lufkin, there was a Pepsi cola bottling
company in Luffkin, I believe.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, there's one. There's a coke one there in Lafayette too,
I think.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
All right, so the they were very active in the community,
very active in local charities. They were just like those people.
They had money, they go to the charities around town, but.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Wanted to doing on the scene. Being seen.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, but they didn't seem like assholes or anything like that.
So they were known kind of like as a as
a power couple. So you're kind of seeing sure, so
I don't know which we barely have any power in
this household thanks to our four year old. But no,
they they're in the folk, you know, like you see
(08:37):
the pictures of the people in the newspaper. So that's
these are if you're trying to get an image of
what they are, that's just who they were. So they
had two children, Robin who lived in Birmingham, which is
I think was about ninety minutes away, and then a
son named Brent Junior, named after his father, who lived
in Colorado. Not where we're going though, I don't think.
(09:01):
I didn't remember. I don't remember where they said he
lived in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think he lived over on the other side of
the mountain in the west part of Colorado, Montrose, Grand Junction.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
All that over there. We're going to Colorado Springs. Yeah,
possibly for well, you got to say the springs, the springs, Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Nobody in Colorado Springs causing Colorado Springs. They call it
the springs.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, I'm not in Colorado Springs.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
You don't want to sound like a tourist, do you, Yes, Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Stuart, I'm gonna open my mouth and they're going to
know I'm a tourist.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Not everybody on the podcast has to know you're a tourist.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
November twenty fifth, two thousand and four, is Thanksgiving Day,
and the spring Firs headed to Birmingh Birmingham, Alabama to
spend Thanksgiving with their newly weed daughter Robin. Normally, everyone
would come to Montgomery to spend the Thanksgiving, but their
daughter had just gotten married before Thanksgiving, so she wanted
to host in her home for the first time as
(10:01):
a married woman.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yes, she's taken on Thanksgiving duties, the big meal for
the family.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Why would anybody do that to themselves?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh, well, I've cooked Thanksgiving, but it's because like rest
in peace. Mom.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Well, I mean, as far as you're newlywed, this is
your first Thanksgiving. Have you even practiced anything?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
But it was just her parents coming over.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Oh okay, fine.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I was gonna say rip mom, but she wasn't the
best cook, so I was I had. I was a
little bit better. So they were happy to come to
my house and do Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And let you practice on them. Yes you did, all right. Yeah,
you followed the directions and made Stuart moist turkey.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You stop saying moist. You're so gross. What I make
excellent food. That thing we made I made last night,
and the crocpot was delicious and nutritious and nutritious. The
children refused to eat it, So fuck.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Them, little bastards, ungrateful little shits. Now they're about ninety
miles away from their house. So after they had a
nice Thanksgiving dinner with their daughter, the Springford's drove back
from Birmingham back to Montgomery. The next day, the Springford's
planned on heading to their Florida condo because their home
(11:24):
was being renovated.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Rich people problems.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yes, yeah, had probably got a condo in Navarro or
Destin or something like that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I think they said Pensicola or something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, we're in that area, right around the Orange Gulf Shores, Alabama,
Orange Beach area. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
So on November twenty six, construction crews arrived at the
Springford's home. The construction crew was given access to the
home so they could just start work whenever the Springfords
were not there because they were leaving to go and
not be there whenever they arrived, and that was the
plan this morning. So when the construction workers walked into
the home, they immediately knew something was wrong. The house
(12:04):
appeared to have been broken into. There were bookshelves pulled over,
drawers pulled out, and just a complete mess, not anything
like they would have ever seen walking into the Springford's home.
They decide to walk upstairs just to see if anybody's
home or what's going on. Well, they start seeing blood
on the carpet, so they immediately like got to get
(12:25):
the fuck out of air. They were like, we're not
getting pinned.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
For them now, No, Yeah, construction crew people are always
did it right after the right after the spouse, right
after the.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Like it's I feel like it's the spouse, the construction worker,
and the truck driver. They are always suspect number one.
So they immediately run down the stairs and call nine
one one. Police arrive on the scene and it is
clear that whoever was there was looking for something because
pretty much every room was rifled through, the office. Everything. Yeah,
(12:56):
so you're seeing an office that has all the files
pulled out, things like that. You know, it's just it
looks like someone might have been targeting the officer.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, they tossed the entire place.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Just as they're working their way upstairs, things take a
very deadly turn because you remember we saw they saw blood.
There was blood pretty much everywhere they described it. As
you entered the second floor, they immediately noticed some throw
rugs on the floor, and the rugs had been pulled
over some of the blood stains, which led to one
(13:26):
of the side rooms, so they could tell like the
blood wasn't across the rug, there was blood under it,
so obviously someone had moved.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah, they'll never know.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, covered up with the rug, like I don't know
if they used it to walk on so they wouldn't
get blood all over their feet or or what. But
it definitely had been moved. So in that side room
in the closet they find a male victim. The victim
had their throat slashed and had extensive head injuries. His
face was bruised as well as his knuckles, so it
looked like he had fought back. Yeah, the manner of
(13:57):
death was very brutal and very bloody. He also appeared
to that his body had been moved into that closet,
so maybe use the rug to move them, They're not sure.
It also appeared that the murder weapon was lying next
to the victim. There was a knife covered in blood,
as well as a piece of wood that looked like
the handle of an axe covered in blood. That that
(14:19):
was the other.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Thing nice pledging him to death with that.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yes, police leave that room and make their way to
the bedroom. Now, in the bedroom, they can see scuff
marks on the wall, blood on the walls. It was
clear that there was some sort of struggle, some sort
of fight in this room because it was just there
was just a lot going on. So they walk around
the room and that is where they found the female victim.
(14:42):
The victim appeared to have been beaten severely. She had
defensive wounds as if she was holding up her arms
to protect herself from the attack. Her wrist was broken,
her watch was broken, and again this was another very
brutal passion, like there's passion behind this killing anger now
in it. It did appear that she crawled from the
initial place where she was attacked before she laid down
(15:04):
and passed away. She also had a slit on her throat,
just like the male victim. Now police were quickly able
to identify them as Brent and Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Springford police start processing the crime saying and they find
that there are no signs of four st entru on
the first floor. However, as they look around on the
second floor, they notice that there's a broken window hidden
behind some drapery. There's a word you don't use off drapery, drapery.
I use that word, drapery. Yes, drapery, I said. You
(15:34):
don't hear it often drapes, Doug.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
We don't even have any drapes in our house, Dude.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
There is I don't know. Do the carpets match the
draper Shut.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Up, stew What is wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
What?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
They obviously not for you because you're bold? Oh maybe
what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Okay? What is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
This is a serious subject.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Leading up to that window outside on the outside of
the house was a trellis, which would have allowed somebody
to climb that to break into the upstairs floor and
enter the home that way. This is how police believe
the killer got into the house. Since they're in such
a nice neighborhood. They did have an alarm system. However,
there was no alarm system on the second floor, meaning
(16:22):
there's no window contacts or anything out there. And a
lot of people do this because it's cheaper, but I'm
not guessing that was the reason why.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Maybe they probably just didn't think they needed it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You know, who's gonna who's gonna you gotta bring a ladder,
you gotta climb up there, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well they weren't going to do it. They were going
to pay someone to do it.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Well, that's what I mean. I'm saying, no, not not
having to install it with a ladder, I'm saying that
a criminal would they would have thought would have to bring.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
A lot of people think they're safe on the second floor.
They're safe nowhere. Okay, someone's trying to murder you right now.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Okay, there could be somebody outside this closet door right
now waiting on us.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Know.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It almost seemed like the person who broke into the
house knew about the home not having any contacts on
the first window. The first theory they're working on is
a burglary gone wrong. They're thinking that maybe someone came
to rob the home and then the Springsfurd showed up
in the middle of that robbery and that this is
when they're attacked. However, despite the entire house being tossed
(17:22):
and rummaged through, especially on the first floor, there was
nothing that they could find that was really taken of
any value. And since this is a nice home, there's
valuables everywhere, but nothing but there's nothing that they can
they can see of any value that like a burglar
would want to take to pawn or fence later on
(17:46):
down the road.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, there's all these valuable stuff and nothing really is taken.
So this is starting to look not match up with
what they thought.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, so they start was staged, little stage action go on.
So now they're leaning towards someone who knew the victims
and targeted them because of the bludgeoning with the axe
handle what they believe happened. They believe that there's a
lot of anger behind these attacks and that they must
have been familiar with the home. Police do notice that
(18:13):
the black jag you are that the Springsford drove was
missing from the garage.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, that's kind of strange to not take anything in
the house and then try to cover this up. But
then take something as as a.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Car that you would leave DNA in well that.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Someone being able to find with the license plate number
and all this stuff. So it's a little bit a
little bit odd, all right, So please they begin interviewing neighbors,
calling up family members. They've got to call up Robin
now and let them know, let her know that her parents,
you know, were found deceased. So they call her up.
(18:54):
They ask when before they tell her anything. They say
they kind of try to get a timeline from her
and everything. They do finally tell her that her parents
were found deceased in the home, and immediately Robin says,
I have an older brother in Colorado and he did this. Wow, Okay,
they were pretty shocked to, you know, have a statement
from the sister saying this. So now they need to
(19:16):
follow up with this whole dynamic that if the sister
immediately suspects her brother, or.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Is she trying to throw the brother into the bus
when she's the one that did it.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's what they're trying to got to figure out. Initially, though,
they must take these types of accusations at face value
until they can find how they can find additional evidence
to support it. They actually were able to pinpoint when
the Springfelds were back in Montgomery area because Brent received
a speeding ticket when he was coming back towards town.
(19:44):
The ticket was received at six fifteen pm, and the
trooper remember seeing a man and a woman and nothing
seemed suspicious. They weren't frantic, they weren't upset, nothing like that,
just normal behavior. They knew the location that they got
the tickets in, which was about an hour from their home,
putting the back at the house around seven to fifteen
pm that night. Based on other evidence, they were able
(20:04):
to determine that they were probably attacked around eight thirty
pm that evening. They put a bolo out for that
black Jaguar all around and the state police started pulling
over cars matching the description trying to see if they
could find this missing vehicle. And a Jaguar is not common,
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
No, I mean, depending on what it is too.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, I guess depends like what do you mean.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
On how old the jaguar is?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Okay, but still a jaguar isn't isn't a convience.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
A jaguar A jaguar? I don't know. I don't have one.
I've written in one before, but the jag, if you will, man, well,
the one that I rode in didn't have a reverse
and we the guy pushed it out of his grandma's
garage because we went Troy riding one night when we
were younger, and it was one with the big twelve
(20:55):
cylinder that would do like a couple hundred miles an
hour real quick.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Probably shouldn't have been doing that, but we were out
there joy riding in Grandma's car. Well, let's hope that
with no seat belts on problem.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Our children do not do saying things as you start.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Let's hope, let us hope. Yes, please reach out to
Brent Springford Junior, who now lives out in Colorado. They're
familiar with Brent because he went to one of the
most prestigious schools in Montgomery, Alabama. And he can probably
say prestigious without having to do it twice. Yes, he
was a great student, very smart. He however, did not
(21:33):
want to join the family business and he decided to
move out to Greeley, Colorado.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
He was a good looking fellow too. He had the
natural you know how Johnny Depp like in Pirates of
gabbean puts that eyeliner down there under his eyes. You know, yeah,
I guess well, he the Brent guy, had kind of
like a natural like eyeliner look. It was very he
(21:58):
was handsome, handsome fellas.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Because he was wearing an eyel on her.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
No, he just had his eyelashes were so dark it
looked like eyeliner. You don't have to see it.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You want me to wear eyeline?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
No, I'm just it's a striking look. Okay, if you
can pull it off.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Would you like me to try to pull it off?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Absolutely, I'd like to watch you try to put eyeliner on.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I think if I can put a contact in, I
can do eyelin her. Huh Is it a separate skill?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Is a separate skill? You can it? Stab yourself in
the eye with them?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, that would hurt. Now. I thought that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I thought that the strong I was wrong. I thought
he lived out on the western Slope. Greeley is up
north of Denver, northeast of Denver, so up toward the
border with Wowman. I believe in Greeley he lived with
a woman named Carolyn Scout and her children. Montgomery plays
contact the Greeley Greeley.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Carolyn was an older an older lady.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Okay, a cougar.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yes, we'll get more into Carolyn in that whole situation
here in a little.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Bit, Montgomery police contact the Greeley Police Department so that
they can go by and let Brett Brett Brent know
that his parents had been found murdered. When they go
by the residence, he is not there, so they call
a cell phone number that they have. The cell phone
number actually went to Carolyn and she said that Brent
was there for Thanksgiving and that he was there all
(23:26):
week and that he had just gone over to a
friend's house in a nearby town. Police ask Carolyn to
have Brent call them. She's like, okay, she agrees. Police
are thinking that if all this is true, and that
if Brent Junior was in Colorado at the time of
the murder, it would make it nearly impossible since it's
fourteen hundred miles away from the home in Alabama.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Now, as there waiting for Brent Junior to call them back,
they continue to look into other possible leads, including the workplace.
Could someone I mean he is the CEO. Could someone
have been and for being fired for being reprimanded something
like that. So they interviewed people at work and they
just couldn't find anyone that had a grudge against him
or had threatened him. Nothing really stood out to them.
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So they start looking at the other properties that the
Springford's owned, which included a lake house about thirty minutes away.
They were rich, rich too, very rich, rich rich. Yes.
They head out to the lake house and then what's
crazy is they find the doors open and there's a
bloody towel in the scene.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You shut your mouth.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I know. So they're thinking, like, maybe this is related
to the crime scenes. They start asking around and they
actually find out it was just the grounds keeper that
was there that day and he cut his hand. Oh,
so this was another because they were thinking, did someone
like was familiar and went to the other house to
clean up or something like that, So completely unrelated to
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the actual murders. Now, on November twenty seventh, two days
after the murder, they finally receive a callback from Brent Junior.
They tell him that there was an incident with their
fami with his fam and that they need to know
where he was the week of Thanksgiving. He tells them
that he was with his family the whole week except
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for on Thanksgiving Day. He got really sick, so he
went hiking in some canyon so that he wouldn't infect
his family, Which.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Is that's what I do when I'm sick. I just
leave houing, go hiking. It's not lay in my bed
wishing I was dead.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
He and remember that's different than what Carolyn said, because
she said he went to a friend's house or something.
So things are a little weird. Well, they told him
that his parents have been murdered. He didn't even ask
you know anything about it, like how or anything?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Did you catch him?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Very strange behavior altogether, And like we said, this was
different than what Carolyn said. So things aren't adding up
on Brent. So maybe the sister's right. Something's weird with this.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
They bring Carolyn down to the police station in Greeley.
She's very emotional about the murders. She has children, ranging
three children ranging from age thirteen to twenty years old.
She said that she was home all week with them
and that they could talk to the children anytime they wanted.
Police did not believe she had anything to do with
these murder. Police are finally able to get Brent Junior
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into the police station. Brent has no emotion at all
in regards to his parents their murder. Nothing. He said
he didn't know anything about the murder. He said that
they weren't close and that he was here in Greeley,
Colorado the entire time. They head to the home to
interview the children. All the children tell a similar story,
but police said they noticed a few little minor differences
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or things that just weren't matching up. One of the
children did mention that Brent earlier in the week prior
to Thanksgiving had a very disheveled, long hair look, and
that when he came back he was clean cut, and
it just was very different. So police are finding this
is suspicious as well.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, because these children aren't old enough to start talking.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You know, they're not paying attention to a lot of
things unless the thing that what they notice just slaps
them in the face because it's so one eighty degree.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Well, they're also kids are also so terrible with timelines too,
because they don't know if he's probably there all Thanksgiving week, No,
you know, they don't know what they don't remember the
day before. So police they begin asking neighbors about the
family about Brent's little family over there in Carolyn. They
do call her his wife, but she's not. She's not
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actually married to him. She's like his spiritual wife. There's
weird thing. We're going to talk about it more.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But while they call it common law wife if you've
been shacked up.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Okay, but this is they're into like spiritual things and.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
They touch and then they feel the energy for them
in between them.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yes, I don't think they actually have sex. What No
things are weird to too. We're going to talk about him, okay.
So they told so they're talking to the neighbors. They
told him there was some odd behavior leading up to Thanksgiving.
So Brent was actually seen at two o'clock in the
morning in just like boots and shorts or something, or
possibly just boots, they said, just boots digging up a
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fence post. Like this is two o'clock in the morning
in Colorado in November.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I mean it's chilly, yes, Like what make you shovel up?
Probably don't email shorts to hold nothing.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
In at that even if you're dressed properly for the weather.
We shouldn't be outside digging up a fence post at
two o'clock in the morning. They also found that Brent
and Carolyn slept in different rooms. The house had been
purchased as a wedding present by Brent's parents, but they
did not actually sleep together, so I don't think it
was a real wedding. Again, there was some mental health
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issues in this involvement with this, so the family just
kind of, you know, bought this for as a present,
just to help out Brent. If things weren't odd enough.
Brent actually called into a local news station to talk
to them about him being a suspect. So he just
voluntarily calls into this new station a dummy and says,
I can't believe they think I'm a suspect, blah blah blah,
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and they have the whole thing recorded. Again, this is
just odd behavior. Investigators start looking at how he could
possibly have made it from Colorado to Alabama. They did
not have any records that he had flown, and the
drive would take about twenty plus hours, so they need
to figure out how he would have been able to
do this on his own in a short period of time. Yes,
(29:22):
he had, Yeah, he had mental health issues and he
kind of this. Caroline Scout is a whole nother She
has a whole life that's just sketchy, but we'll we'll
go into it later on at the in the podcast.
But because I don't want to give away the whole
story right now, but.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Why you want to be able to keep listening.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yes, she's she's her own, her own whole.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Story there, Yes, whole podcast on Carolyn. Yes, Carolyn out
of the blue. I guess she volunteers to go back
to the police station to answer questions along with her attorney.
Carolyn got lawyered up. I'm guessing that this is not
a spur of the moment volunteer thing. The lawyerd explained
(30:08):
the police that Carolyn had anxiety issues and that it
can sometimes affect her memory, but if they ask her
very direct questions in small time frames, she might be
able to recall more details.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Drink, Carolyn's a liar. I'm just going to tell you
that you think, yes, Carolyn is is a manipulative person.
And as we go through this and explain.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
This, she was like, She's about to go down. Somehow
they've attracted back to this.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
What I'm saying, Right, So.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I'm going to get a lawyer and I'm going to
go down and.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Never I think she was involved with this, but don't
feel sorry for, Like she's just some like sad lady
in the world I'm talking about the listeners. Do don't
feel sorry for right now that she's some like sad
lady with an anxiety that's married to a murder and
all this stuff, and she's it's actually quite different.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well we know because she already told Plice that he
was there all week, Yes, except for one day when
he went to his friend's house.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay, well she's about to change her story.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, we know, do you we already see that.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
We already see that.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah. Yeah, if she's having trouble with small time frames
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
She's claiming that she's having trouble remembering and that if
they ask her very specifically in front of her lawyer,
she might be able to recall some things.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yes, so she's not going to go down there and
get no trap, but no investigator. She's going down there
with the Laura was prepared. Uh it came with.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
This bullshit anxiety.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yes, defense police ask Carolyn when was the last time
she saw her husband that week? She tells him that
it was on Monday, and then they police say it
says if a light bulb went off on her head
and she's like, oh, I remember I took him to
the bus station.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So your anxiety made you forget that you took your
husband to the bus station.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And then how he got back and everything else. So
red flags go off in the investigator's mind. They're like, Okay,
some this is a bunch of bullshit. This might be
how Brent actually made it to Alabama to commit the
murder of his parents.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, because Thanksgivings on a Thursday, and this was Monday's
plenty of time. So they head to the Greyhound bus
station in town and we're able to find video footage
a Brent junior. He's just meandering in the parking lot outside.
He did look very disheveled, like the kid said, he
had long, scraggly hair. He was he went in laid
down in the back of a truck in the parking
(32:37):
lot for a couple hours. Just it wasn't his truck.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It was just it looked like he was hired from
the camera so he wouldn't be seen.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
No, I don't even think it was that, because he
was right in front of the cameras, like just walking
around the parking lot. I think he has mental health problems,
like severe, so he's me in this truck parking lot
or in this truck in the parking lot, lays down
for a little while. He then pops up and heads
over to a bus that had pulled up. He speaks
(33:06):
to the bus driver and then boards the bus. They
did not find a bus ticket under the name Brent Springford,
but they did find an unconfirmed passenger under the name
of Terry Chance. So they follow that passenger and he
went from Greeley, Colorado, to Denver, to Nashville and then
finally to Montgomery, Alabama. So I guess he just went
and bought the ticket directly from the bus driver. I
(33:28):
guess you can do that. I have no idea, and
then you just have to give him a name.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I won't fly Sparrit Airlines. I definitely won't ride a
greyhound bus cross country, so I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I only know one person that rode a Greyhound bus.
And who do you think that was?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Your brother? Probably the one, the other one, the other brother.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yes, it's funny you knew exactly talking about riding the
ground bus, not if there's anything wrong with Greyhound. But
I won't be caught dead on one.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
If I am, you probably are dead in a suitcase.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Being smuggled like Amy Bradley.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You would be caught dead on a bus. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
So, so they now have this track of this person
making it all the way to Montgomery, Alabama. This would
put that Terry chance fella aka Brent in Montgomery, Alabama
at five thirty pm on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. Now,
while they are figuring out all of this information about
the bus ride, that black Jaguar is located outside of Tulsa, Oklahoma.
(34:36):
There was a bus ticket purchase from Tulsa back to
back up to Denver and then to Greeley. And they
were able to confirm that Brent Junior, that it was
Brent Junior who did this. So he drove the car
back to all the way to Tulsa and then hopped
on a bus and just abandoned the vehicle. They were
able to confirm that Brent Junior was in Montgomery, Alabama.
(34:57):
As they were putting all this information together and they
have timeline, they find out he did visit a hair
salon while he was there and had his head basically
shaved all the hair off and the hairstylist does remember
him because he was just acting very odd.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Not Brent.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Not Brent.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
With this information, police obtain an arrest warrant on December eighth,
two thousand and four. There was no rush, however, because
Brent Junior was in a mental institution. After the arrest,
they were able to find out that he developed mental
health issues right after high school.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, so he had checked himself into a mental institution
when this was all going down. I'm guessing as time
got closer than being caught, he went and checked himself in.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I don't know if I was getting to him or
if he was like, hey, checking into a mental institution
will be a good escape.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
No, he was truly mentally ill.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Do kind of like.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Kind of like who.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Kind of like you.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
They bring Brent and speak to him again, and he
decides to confess. After Brent's mental issue started, his parents
paid for psychiatric care and all sorts of help for him.
They also supported him financially, but as time went on
they started having disagreements about that financial support. It finally
came to a head when his father decided to cut
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him out of the will altogether and threatened to sell
the home that he had purchased for him and his wife.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yes, he had gone to He had agreed to go
to Vanderbilt University after high school and everything because he
had good grades and everything like that. Plus he was
rich that definitely could get in. And he only made
it like a semester or two or something and he
dropped out. And that's when he really went off the
deep end. He moved to he got into like all
the spiritual stuff. He moved to Wyoming where that's where
(36:54):
he met that Carolyn Scout. She's like Native American, so
she was trying to show him like this ritual side.
But she was actually a scam artist. She had claimed
she was abused and stuff and collect all of this
money to start a abuse center like a safety center
for Native American women, and then never did it. So
she basically scammed people pocketed. She's a grifter, she scams people.
(37:18):
And then she kind of latched onto Brent. She saw
an opening with his mental health problems.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well, Caroline, Carolyn, Carolyn had encouraged him to speak to
his parents and that's why she took him with the bust.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
This is what Brent's telling the police that she encouraged
him to speak to her parents because.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
As she's confessing this, this is his confession.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, she's manipulating him. I believe she manipulated. They have
no proof that she did, but she's a scam artist.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
So yeah, it seems like she put all this in
his mind to send him down there. Brent Junior arrives
at the home the night before and he just hangs
out there until his parents come home, and then he
attacks him. He said. He killed his father first while
his mother was downstairs, and that's why he was dragged
into the closet to hide his body so that his
(38:10):
mother would not be aware as she walked up the stairs.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Oh, Stu was right, he said, I think she. I
think he moved the rug to cover the blood up.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
So my mom wouldn't realize. She wouldn't notice right away,
it wouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Well, maybe it was covering up better. Maybe it got
moved in the thing because the construction workers saw it immediately.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Well it was daylight, it was probably dark one.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, this is true. Coming up the stairs.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Now, when he attacked his mother, she put up a
very big fight, he said, And that's why there was
such a scene of struggle in the bedroom. He then
staged the scene as if it was a robbery, and
that's why the house was completely torn apart. He then
stole the Jaguar, drove it to Tulsa, and got on
the greyhound bus to go back home.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yes, now, Brent Junior was arrested for the double homicide.
He did plead insanity. However, a psychiatrist believes that he
knew what he was doing. And this goes into like
I said, he did have severe mental health issues, but
this was so premeditated. Normally you for to get the
insanity defense, it has to be like a snap in
(39:15):
the moment yes decision. This is cannot be. You literally
went on a greyhound bus, You rode for twenty plus hours,
You changed bus stations multiple times. You got your hair
cut in town to prepare for to change your parent yes,
to change your appearance. You stole the car, you drove
all the way to Tulsa, you got on another bus
(39:37):
and got back home. This was not a I just snapped,
because if you snapped, then you would go You wouldn't
think of all these ways to cover it up either
on your way back.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I mean, he's trying to say he was insane. All
along and whatever. Temporary insanity is just that you.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Snapped, yes, but he is he isn't he is?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
But it was premeditated insanity. I guess, yeah, okay, can
you have that.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I don't know, Stu. Premeditated insanity.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, you've premeditated that. You're just mentally ill, because you're
that mentally ill.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I don't know. Well, it didn't work because his lawyers
pleaded with the prosecution for a plea deal. Pleaded with
the cons that's some awesome. They begged, yes, they begged
for a plea deal. They were like please, So they decided.
The prosecution decides to speak with Robinson. She was the
only surviving family member, and after a lot of discussion,
(40:31):
they decided to a plea agreement. Now, Brent was sentenced
to life in prison without a chance at parol in
two thousand and eight, but in twenty thirteen he overdosed
in prison at the age of thirty seven and passed away.
So they don't cover it in the show. But if
you start reading up about Caroline Scout, you see what
a scammar she was. She basically found Brent. She was
(40:52):
this older woman with these three children. She saw him
as a prime you know, person to manipulate. He had
a bunch of money behind him. So basically she got
her house, she got they the parents just sent money
after money, just try to keep their.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Son trying to keep that coming in.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah. So anyway, so she was worried about this being
cut off and then what's the point of being around
Brent and everything? And so I believe she to go
kill kill Yeah, because apparently Brent decided to be celibate
at some point. That's why they slept in separate room
before he met her. I mean, but she was an
older woman and not I'm not an old not older
(41:33):
than you.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
You're an you're an older woman to somebody.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Okay, Well, anyway, so they just were not in that
type of relationship. It almost seemed like mother son type
thing rather than partners or whatever. So anyway, she needed
this gravy train to keep going. I'm sure she thought,
maybe they haven't changed the will yet, so you need
to go kill them before they changed the will, because
(41:59):
they rich.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Very rich, So yeah, you gotta stay in that. Well,
my man, keep us on the in the lifestyle we.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Have because they weren't making any money, so there was
no way for them to support. They were the parents
just and apparently it was also he had trouble in
high school and they it almost I don't know if
this is true or not. So allegedly they kind of
let him do what he wanted, so there wasn't a
lot of discipline. There was a lot of drugs and
alcohol use by the by the son, and the parents
(42:30):
didn't really discipline him. They just very very murdochy.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Of them, just let him run wild.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yes, it is what they say. I don't know if
that's true. That's alleged. All right, we've had to cut
out multiple inappropriate sides, so we're gonna end on that note.
St Do you have a yelling Jesus?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Of course I have. I've had him stacked up because
they're just in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
They're just a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, they're just bubbling up to the surface.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
A lot of stupidity in the world.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yes, I had like or four I was trying to
decide between whenever the cold Play thing popped up, and
by the time that.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Hit, people have moved on from the cold Play though
it's old news on TikTok now it was.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Probably way old news whenever we talked about it. By
the time the episode dropped, it was probably like ancient
and social media years. I'm sorry, am I boring you?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
You're boring me?
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Wow? All right?
Speaker 1 (43:26):
She was saying that because I had a complete meltdown
with him because he yawned the other day on when
we were recording any and he said, you're boring me,
and I lost my ship on him, so we had
to cut bost that out.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
But yes, last episode that was.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Sometimes sometimes the last episode recorder that was on the
shoot the Pooh.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
No, I think it was.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
It was on the Shoot the Poo. It was Monday.
I was tired.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You're always cranky. But which leads perfectly dovetails right into
this yell need Jesus because this is about a woman
who just does woman stuff.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
This is the story of a girl required a river
and drown the whole world.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Nope, nope, stop place. Associated Press January sixth, twenty nineteen AP.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
For those that are in the.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Note, woman sent one hundred and fifty nine thousand texts
to a man she met on a dating site. Wow
Florida or not Florida, not Florida, Arizona, Phoenix ap A
woman accused of stalking a man that she met on
(44:48):
a dating site and sent him more than sixty five
thousand text messages.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Apparently you said one hundred and fifty nine thousand.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Well, they said it was six sixty five thousand, but
apparently sent more than twice that many. Jacqueline Aids ades
I guess sent a man more than one hundred and
fifty nine thousand text messages, some of which were threatening,
over the course of nearly ten months, According to police
records the Arizona Republic attained via a public records request,
(45:22):
the two went on a single date. Women, bitches be crazy.
I am all right. The man, whose name has not been released,
called the police after he found Aids parked outside his
home in July twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Okay, I did the math for you guys, because I
need to know. This is about five hundred and thirty
text on average per day for ten months.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Paradise Valley officers escorted her office property, and that's when
police say Aids began threatening the man. One text read,
I'd make sushi out of your kidneys and chopsticks out
of your handbones.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Ooh nice burn.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Mm hmm. Aids was okay, had a damn ad pop
up in my story here. She was arrested for trespassing
inside his home while he was out of the country.
Aids has pleaded not get guilty to the charges of
stalking and criminal trespassing. Her trial was scheduled to begin
February fifth.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
I don't care what you know. How many women get
stalked by men every day and they murder them? So
what you get a little taste of your own medicine.
What I'm just saying, one man gets quits, gets a
little one woman that's a little active on the text,
(46:42):
and all of a sudden, people are getting arrested. Poor
women are out there like, hey, he keeps hating pitting
roses at my door. Can you do anything? Nope, He's
gotta harm you first before we can do anything.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Was she actually trespassed in his home?
Speaker 1 (46:53):
So okay? Well, I feel like women have to prove
the guy basically has to murder the woman before she
can get any help. And this guy's a little my
Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
She can get people arrested on the drop of a dime.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Who did she get arrested?
Speaker 2 (47:06):
I don't know whoever was stalking herd stock her.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I don't know. It's hard for celebrities even to get
them if they don't do anything. If they stay the distance,
they can get restraining orders, but they can't do anything
with them being in the vicinity of that.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I think he actually broke into her house.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
And yes, they usually have to do something. But I'm
just saying, like women every day are getting stalked by
men and nobody does anything about it.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Well, I got stalked by you. I just ended up
dating you. Just quit stalking me.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Okay, man stalked by a woman produces three children, just
does podcast?
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yes, did not have that on my bingo card as the.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Kids, Well here we are didn't either, all right, so
that is our episode of a week. Okay. So I'm
gonna do the coffee recipe real quick. So I do
two shots. So I do some honey in the bottom
of the the cup, and then I do two shots
of espresso and then star that up because that'll get
the honey. You don't want to put the cold in
because it'll the honey won't dissolve, So start that up.
(48:11):
Then add ice you do. And this is probably in
a I use like a mason jarnt how many those
are probably twelve ounces or something, so something like that.
Put some ice in there. Do half oat milk? Okay,
go ahead, half oat milk, and I like the creamy
Barista one in the brand is what's that brand?
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Oatly?
Speaker 1 (48:35):
No, it's not Oatly.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Milkley No, it's like oat Lovers.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Or something like that. Anyways, it's orange and it says
Barista style, so it's like extra creamy.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
You're gonna probably have to put this on the website now.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Anyways, half the oat milk, half regular milk, and then
a splash of the Chobani sweet cream creamer h perfection,
per affections.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Do is it? Yes?
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Give her a good stir, drink it up.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
That sounds like that could be an aporno or making
a coffee.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
What is it wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (49:14):
What is wrong with you? All right?
Speaker 1 (49:15):
So that's our episode for this week. We will be
back with a new one, a new shoot the Pooh
on Monday, I believe, and then come on, guys, we
could do this on Monday and then hopefully we'll get
back on track with our releases on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Each week.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
We're gonna try really hard this weekend too. I was
really busy with work but things have calmed down now,
so I think we can get back to to normal thing,
normal things. But we'll we'll, we'll talk about our Thanksgiving
plans on on. Okay, I gotta go, we gotta go
pick up the four year old from tumbling camp. All right,
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you next time. Bye, everyone, say bye st bye.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Don't you know it's bad to be superstitious by napping
else it's working and my hand it's pretty and learning
and sick. It's worry.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
I can
Hey, everyone, welcome to Bless this Mess and then for
a Crump podcast I Don't care here with Stu. Say,
hey Stu, Hey, all right, we are back this week
and we are going.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
To Alabama, Alabama, Alabama.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
This episode is late this week because we here's the deal. Okay,
tell me we got all these children?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well I don't know where they even came from.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't either. I look around, like, what in the
daycare happened? Here's anyway, So we it's just hard to record.
The only real time we can record is either on
the weekends during nap time now or on Friday afternoons
because I usually only work half a day so then
I can come home we can record. So that is
why we're recording on the afternoon. But we're gonna try
(01:04):
to record another episode this weekend so we can get
ahead so we can start being back on time. Guys,
we did put out Shoot the Pooh on time, though,
didn't we?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I don't know?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, but maybe we did it on I don't remember. No,
I think we did it on it. We got it
out on Monday. Maybe. Anyways, why are you looking at
me like that?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, we had recorded it and we were like way
ahead and then.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Well we were ahead, but we The problem is, I
like we we can't record at nighttime because I go
to work at seven, so that means I have to
be up, should be up by six, usually up by
six thirty, and so I cannot stay.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Up till midnight.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yes, because record. Yes, they don't go to sleep because
they sleep in, which is fine because they don't go
to daycare or anything. So they sleep in, which is
just fine. But that means that they don't have these
early bedtimes. We've tried seven thirty. It doesn't work, so
they're really they really go to bed between eight thirty
and nine is realistically where they're at in their life,
(02:05):
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And sometimes do not go to actual sleep until eleven.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yes, it is what it is way to ghost do.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Why are you putting stuff on my calendar? Put did
I put in your calendar something about some photographers? Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Fall photos for the family. Yes, we try to do
fall family photos out here, but there is no fall
out here. But somehow that lady last year magically made
fall happen. There's one bunch of trees in this whole
entire town because the lady I work with, I was
telling her. I was like, yeah, we went and last
year we went and took these pictures in these trees.
She's like, oh, yeah, that's the set of trees that
everybody goes. There's only one place. And when I say
(02:43):
it looks like every corner of Louisiana or anything down south, now.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You go out in the backyard and that's what it
looks like.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well that's even a shittier version of what it looks
like in the backyard. But because it's like kind of
dried up bristle like hard stickery.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yes, I was sweating out there last time we went out.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, but this time anyways, this time we're doing at
this new thing, this new place in town. And we
waited until I was got on there early, so I
got the October date. So hopefully it's not hot.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's gonna be hot, it may not be.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
It's six point forty how by had yachty get two
o'clock in the afternoon. Yes, that's the other thing is
sometimes I choose nap on the weekend instead of recording,
and then I'm in a we're in a buying so
but where I do this this weekend, We're gonna be
good all right this week, we are going to Alabama
and we're doing a episode. I was watching Homicide for
(03:34):
the Holidays, a classic, and I came across this case
out of Alabama because frankly, I'm over summer. So like
the other night we watched Halloween movies because I just
close all the blinds, turned down the air conditioner and
pretend it's not summer anymore because I'm over it. But
so yeah, so I was watching Holidays for the homicide, like.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Some holidays for the homicide.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Aside for the holidays to get into the spirit of
a colder days because they cover they started branching out.
It used to just be Christmas, but now they're like, hey,
you got murdered on Thanksgiving. Sure, Halloween, definitely. They even
had a Fourth of July murder. So I'm gonna have
to watch that one.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
For next year. Time for next year, because you don't
think anything happens in July. No what we had that conversation.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
No, I just said, it's not my.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yes, it's not my cup of tomatoes. I'm a fall
winter cold weather person until after New Year's and I'm
over the cold too. I'm like, okay, let's move on.
I'm like everybody else, do I want what I can't
what I don't have right now?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Right? All right?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So we are going to cover this episode out for Thanksgiving.
We've been having our own Thanksgiving discussions ourselves, making plans,
but we'll talk about that later because we've yammered on already.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I don't know what this we shit is, but yes,
somebody has yammered on.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
All right, So if you want to join the Patreon,
you get the episodes twenty four hours early. They're ad free.
You also get the once a week. So far we've
been doing good of Shoot the Poo. Well, we'll probably
talk about our Thanksgiving plans because nobody wants to hear
about it here now. But we pretty much yammer on
about something and then we usually have something we're talking about.
(05:28):
Like last week we talked about Amy Bradley, and I
used I told everybody how what I thought happened, because
I think this is this has gone The Amy Bradley
thing is just out of control with the conspiracy theories
like this.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Is absolutely particulously ridiculous. I'm glad I didn't sit there
for all five episodes.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
There was only three Stewards.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, one episode seemed like four.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Anyway, so we talked about that one, and this week
we're probably going to talk about our reactions to the
Brian Coberger's victim.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Statements, all the impact statements.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yes, victim and victim. Yeah, impact statements. I also have
some controversial thoughts on those as well.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
A Stewart, Yes, I don't doubt it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
All right, So we have Instagram, Facebook, check out the TikTok.
I have been recommending documentaries and things like that over there.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Bradley documentary I did.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Everyone needs to watch it and have an opinion. I mean,
their opinion is.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Probably wrong, but if it doesn't line up with your yes.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
If it doesn't line up with mine. But I've been
slacking this week because it's just I've just been tired.
So and then we have oh, we have bias a coffee.
We got some more? Uh, buy me a coffee. I
feel super bad because I feel like I shamed people
(06:45):
into it. But Tommy bought us five coffee.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So really appreciate that bought us me.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Speaking of coffee, Okay, at the end the recipe at
the not the recipe at the end of the episode,
I will tell you I just made a new coffee
today that I saw on TikTok and it's absolutely delicious.
So I'll give you guys the recipe at the end
if you're still here and you want to know about it.
So all right, let's go ahead and get into this
week's episode. Out of Alabama. All right, So we start
(07:13):
with Brent and Charlotte Springford. So they live in Montgomery, Alabama,
in this super expensive Garden District.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Area, kind of like New Orleans has the Garden District.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yes, very very nice neighborhood. They were very well known
in the community. They were very wealthy. Brent was the
CEO of the Pepsi Cola bottling company there in Montgomery.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So I think he actually started not obviously didn't start Pepsi.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But now they're usually independent distributors that bottle it.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, so he was either a co founder or started
that that one that in that area. Yeah, because when
I lived in Lufkin, there was a Pepsi cola bottling
company in Luffkin, I believe.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, there's one. There's a coke one there in Lafayette too,
I think.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
All right, so the they were very active in the community,
very active in local charities. They were just like those people.
They had money, they go to the charities around town, but.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Wanted to doing on the scene. Being seen.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, but they didn't seem like assholes or anything like that.
So they were known kind of like as a as
a power couple. So you're kind of seeing sure, so
I don't know which we barely have any power in
this household thanks to our four year old. But no,
they they're in the folk, you know, like you see
(08:37):
the pictures of the people in the newspaper. So that's
these are if you're trying to get an image of
what they are, that's just who they were. So they
had two children, Robin who lived in Birmingham, which is
I think was about ninety minutes away, and then a
son named Brent Junior, named after his father, who lived
in Colorado. Not where we're going though, I don't think.
(09:01):
I didn't remember. I don't remember where they said he
lived in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think he lived over on the other side of
the mountain in the west part of Colorado, Montrose, Grand Junction.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
All that over there. We're going to Colorado Springs. Yeah,
possibly for well, you got to say the springs, the springs, Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Nobody in Colorado Springs causing Colorado Springs. They call it
the springs.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, I'm not in Colorado Springs.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
You don't want to sound like a tourist, do you, Yes, Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Stuart, I'm gonna open my mouth and they're going to
know I'm a tourist.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Not everybody on the podcast has to know you're a tourist.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
November twenty fifth, two thousand and four, is Thanksgiving Day,
and the spring Firs headed to Birmingh Birmingham, Alabama to
spend Thanksgiving with their newly weed daughter Robin. Normally, everyone
would come to Montgomery to spend the Thanksgiving, but their
daughter had just gotten married before Thanksgiving, so she wanted
to host in her home for the first time as
(10:01):
a married woman.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yes, she's taken on Thanksgiving duties, the big meal for
the family.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Why would anybody do that to themselves?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh, well, I've cooked Thanksgiving, but it's because like rest
in peace. Mom.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Well, I mean, as far as you're newlywed, this is
your first Thanksgiving. Have you even practiced anything?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
But it was just her parents coming over.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Oh okay, fine.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I was gonna say rip mom, but she wasn't the
best cook, so I was I had. I was a
little bit better. So they were happy to come to
my house and do Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And let you practice on them. Yes you did, all right. Yeah,
you followed the directions and made Stuart moist turkey.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You stop saying moist. You're so gross. What I make
excellent food. That thing we made I made last night,
and the crocpot was delicious and nutritious and nutritious. The
children refused to eat it, So fuck.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Them, little bastards, ungrateful little shits. Now they're about ninety
miles away from their house. So after they had a
nice Thanksgiving dinner with their daughter, the Springford's drove back
from Birmingham back to Montgomery. The next day, the Springford's
planned on heading to their Florida condo because their home
(11:24):
was being renovated.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Rich people problems.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yes, yeah, had probably got a condo in Navarro or
Destin or something like that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I think they said Pensicola or something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, we're in that area, right around the Orange Gulf Shores, Alabama,
Orange Beach area. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
So on November twenty six, construction crews arrived at the
Springford's home. The construction crew was given access to the
home so they could just start work whenever the Springfords
were not there because they were leaving to go and
not be there whenever they arrived, and that was the
plan this morning. So when the construction workers walked into
the home, they immediately knew something was wrong. The house
(12:04):
appeared to have been broken into. There were bookshelves pulled over,
drawers pulled out, and just a complete mess, not anything
like they would have ever seen walking into the Springford's home.
They decide to walk upstairs just to see if anybody's
home or what's going on. Well, they start seeing blood
on the carpet, so they immediately like got to get
(12:25):
the fuck out of air. They were like, we're not
getting pinned.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
For them now, No, Yeah, construction crew people are always
did it right after the right after the spouse, right
after the.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Like it's I feel like it's the spouse, the construction worker,
and the truck driver. They are always suspect number one.
So they immediately run down the stairs and call nine
one one. Police arrive on the scene and it is
clear that whoever was there was looking for something because
pretty much every room was rifled through, the office. Everything. Yeah,
(12:56):
so you're seeing an office that has all the files
pulled out, things like that. You know, it's just it
looks like someone might have been targeting the officer.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, they tossed the entire place.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Just as they're working their way upstairs, things take a
very deadly turn because you remember we saw they saw blood.
There was blood pretty much everywhere they described it. As
you entered the second floor, they immediately noticed some throw
rugs on the floor, and the rugs had been pulled
over some of the blood stains, which led to one
(13:26):
of the side rooms, so they could tell like the
blood wasn't across the rug, there was blood under it,
so obviously someone had moved.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah, they'll never know.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, covered up with the rug, like I don't know
if they used it to walk on so they wouldn't
get blood all over their feet or or what. But
it definitely had been moved. So in that side room
in the closet they find a male victim. The victim
had their throat slashed and had extensive head injuries. His
face was bruised as well as his knuckles, so it
looked like he had fought back. Yeah, the manner of
(13:57):
death was very brutal and very bloody. He also appeared
to that his body had been moved into that closet,
so maybe use the rug to move them, They're not sure.
It also appeared that the murder weapon was lying next
to the victim. There was a knife covered in blood,
as well as a piece of wood that looked like
the handle of an axe covered in blood. That that
(14:19):
was the other.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Thing nice pledging him to death with that.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yes, police leave that room and make their way to
the bedroom. Now, in the bedroom, they can see scuff
marks on the wall, blood on the walls. It was
clear that there was some sort of struggle, some sort
of fight in this room because it was just there
was just a lot going on. So they walk around
the room and that is where they found the female victim.
(14:42):
The victim appeared to have been beaten severely. She had
defensive wounds as if she was holding up her arms
to protect herself from the attack. Her wrist was broken,
her watch was broken, and again this was another very
brutal passion, like there's passion behind this killing anger now
in it. It did appear that she crawled from the
initial place where she was attacked before she laid down
(15:04):
and passed away. She also had a slit on her throat,
just like the male victim. Now police were quickly able
to identify them as Brent and Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Springford police start processing the crime saying and they find
that there are no signs of four st entru on
the first floor. However, as they look around on the
second floor, they notice that there's a broken window hidden
behind some drapery. There's a word you don't use off drapery, drapery.
I use that word, drapery. Yes, drapery, I said. You
(15:34):
don't hear it often drapes, Doug.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
We don't even have any drapes in our house, Dude.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
There is I don't know. Do the carpets match the
draper Shut.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Up, stew What is wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
What?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
They obviously not for you because you're bold? Oh maybe
what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Okay? What is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
This is a serious subject.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Leading up to that window outside on the outside of
the house was a trellis, which would have allowed somebody
to climb that to break into the upstairs floor and
enter the home that way. This is how police believe
the killer got into the house. Since they're in such
a nice neighborhood. They did have an alarm system. However,
there was no alarm system on the second floor, meaning
(16:22):
there's no window contacts or anything out there. And a
lot of people do this because it's cheaper, but I'm
not guessing that was the reason why.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Maybe they probably just didn't think they needed it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You know, who's gonna who's gonna you gotta bring a ladder,
you gotta climb up there, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well they weren't going to do it. They were going
to pay someone to do it.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Well, that's what I mean. I'm saying, no, not not
having to install it with a ladder, I'm saying that
a criminal would they would have thought would have to bring.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
A lot of people think they're safe on the second floor.
They're safe nowhere. Okay, someone's trying to murder you right now.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Okay, there could be somebody outside this closet door right
now waiting on us.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Know.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It almost seemed like the person who broke into the
house knew about the home not having any contacts on
the first window. The first theory they're working on is
a burglary gone wrong. They're thinking that maybe someone came
to rob the home and then the Springsfurd showed up
in the middle of that robbery and that this is
when they're attacked. However, despite the entire house being tossed
(17:22):
and rummaged through, especially on the first floor, there was
nothing that they could find that was really taken of
any value. And since this is a nice home, there's
valuables everywhere, but nothing but there's nothing that they can
they can see of any value that like a burglar
would want to take to pawn or fence later on
(17:46):
down the road.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, there's all these valuable stuff and nothing really is taken.
So this is starting to look not match up with
what they thought.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, so they start was staged, little stage action go on.
So now they're leaning towards someone who knew the victims
and targeted them because of the bludgeoning with the axe
handle what they believe happened. They believe that there's a
lot of anger behind these attacks and that they must
have been familiar with the home. Police do notice that
(18:13):
the black jag you are that the Springsford drove was
missing from the garage.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, that's kind of strange to not take anything in
the house and then try to cover this up. But
then take something as as a.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Car that you would leave DNA in well that.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Someone being able to find with the license plate number
and all this stuff. So it's a little bit a
little bit odd, all right, So please they begin interviewing neighbors,
calling up family members. They've got to call up Robin
now and let them know, let her know that her parents,
you know, were found deceased. So they call her up.
(18:54):
They ask when before they tell her anything. They say
they kind of try to get a timeline from her
and everything. They do finally tell her that her parents
were found deceased in the home, and immediately Robin says,
I have an older brother in Colorado and he did this. Wow, Okay,
they were pretty shocked to, you know, have a statement
from the sister saying this. So now they need to
(19:16):
follow up with this whole dynamic that if the sister
immediately suspects her brother, or.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Is she trying to throw the brother into the bus
when she's the one that did it.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's what they're trying to got to figure out. Initially, though,
they must take these types of accusations at face value
until they can find how they can find additional evidence
to support it. They actually were able to pinpoint when
the Springfelds were back in Montgomery area because Brent received
a speeding ticket when he was coming back towards town.
(19:44):
The ticket was received at six fifteen pm, and the
trooper remember seeing a man and a woman and nothing
seemed suspicious. They weren't frantic, they weren't upset, nothing like that,
just normal behavior. They knew the location that they got
the tickets in, which was about an hour from their home,
putting the back at the house around seven to fifteen
pm that night. Based on other evidence, they were able
(20:04):
to determine that they were probably attacked around eight thirty
pm that evening. They put a bolo out for that
black Jaguar all around and the state police started pulling
over cars matching the description trying to see if they
could find this missing vehicle. And a Jaguar is not common,
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
No, I mean, depending on what it is too.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, I guess depends like what do you mean.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
On how old the jaguar is?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Okay, but still a jaguar isn't isn't a convience.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
A jaguar A jaguar? I don't know. I don't have one.
I've written in one before, but the jag, if you will, man, well,
the one that I rode in didn't have a reverse
and we the guy pushed it out of his grandma's
garage because we went Troy riding one night when we
were younger, and it was one with the big twelve
(20:55):
cylinder that would do like a couple hundred miles an
hour real quick.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Probably shouldn't have been doing that, but we were out
there joy riding in Grandma's car. Well, let's hope that
with no seat belts on problem.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Our children do not do saying things as you start.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Let's hope, let us hope. Yes, please reach out to
Brent Springford Junior, who now lives out in Colorado. They're
familiar with Brent because he went to one of the
most prestigious schools in Montgomery, Alabama. And he can probably
say prestigious without having to do it twice. Yes, he
was a great student, very smart. He however, did not
(21:33):
want to join the family business and he decided to
move out to Greeley, Colorado.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
He was a good looking fellow too. He had the
natural you know how Johnny Depp like in Pirates of
gabbean puts that eyeliner down there under his eyes. You know, yeah,
I guess well, he the Brent guy, had kind of
like a natural like eyeliner look. It was very he
(21:58):
was handsome, handsome fellas.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Because he was wearing an eyel on her.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
No, he just had his eyelashes were so dark it
looked like eyeliner. You don't have to see it.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You want me to wear eyeline?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
No, I'm just it's a striking look. Okay, if you
can pull it off.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Would you like me to try to pull it off?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Absolutely, I'd like to watch you try to put eyeliner on.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I think if I can put a contact in, I
can do eyelin her. Huh Is it a separate skill?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Is a separate skill? You can it? Stab yourself in
the eye with them?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, that would hurt. Now. I thought that.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I thought that the strong I was wrong. I thought
he lived out on the western Slope. Greeley is up
north of Denver, northeast of Denver, so up toward the
border with Wowman. I believe in Greeley he lived with
a woman named Carolyn Scout and her children. Montgomery plays
contact the Greeley Greeley.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Carolyn was an older an older lady.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Okay, a cougar.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yes, we'll get more into Carolyn in that whole situation
here in a little.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Bit, Montgomery police contact the Greeley Police Department so that
they can go by and let Brett Brett Brent know
that his parents had been found murdered. When they go
by the residence, he is not there, so they call
a cell phone number that they have. The cell phone
number actually went to Carolyn and she said that Brent
was there for Thanksgiving and that he was there all
(23:26):
week and that he had just gone over to a
friend's house in a nearby town. Police ask Carolyn to
have Brent call them. She's like, okay, she agrees. Police
are thinking that if all this is true, and that
if Brent Junior was in Colorado at the time of
the murder, it would make it nearly impossible since it's
fourteen hundred miles away from the home in Alabama.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Now, as there waiting for Brent Junior to call them back,
they continue to look into other possible leads, including the workplace.
Could someone I mean he is the CEO. Could someone
have been and for being fired for being reprimanded something
like that. So they interviewed people at work and they
just couldn't find anyone that had a grudge against him
or had threatened him. Nothing really stood out to them.
(24:11):
So they start looking at the other properties that the
Springford's owned, which included a lake house about thirty minutes away.
They were rich, rich too, very rich, rich rich. Yes.
They head out to the lake house and then what's
crazy is they find the doors open and there's a
bloody towel in the scene.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You shut your mouth.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I know. So they're thinking, like, maybe this is related
to the crime scenes. They start asking around and they
actually find out it was just the grounds keeper that
was there that day and he cut his hand. Oh,
so this was another because they were thinking, did someone
like was familiar and went to the other house to
clean up or something like that, So completely unrelated to
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the actual murders. Now, on November twenty seventh, two days
after the murder, they finally receive a callback from Brent Junior.
They tell him that there was an incident with their
fami with his fam and that they need to know
where he was the week of Thanksgiving. He tells them
that he was with his family the whole week except
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for on Thanksgiving Day. He got really sick, so he
went hiking in some canyon so that he wouldn't infect
his family, Which.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Is that's what I do when I'm sick. I just
leave houing, go hiking. It's not lay in my bed
wishing I was dead.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
He and remember that's different than what Carolyn said, because
she said he went to a friend's house or something.
So things are a little weird. Well, they told him
that his parents have been murdered. He didn't even ask
you know anything about it, like how or anything?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Did you catch him?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Very strange behavior altogether, And like we said, this was
different than what Carolyn said. So things aren't adding up
on Brent. So maybe the sister's right. Something's weird with this.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
They bring Carolyn down to the police station in Greeley.
She's very emotional about the murders. She has children, ranging
three children ranging from age thirteen to twenty years old.
She said that she was home all week with them
and that they could talk to the children anytime they wanted.
Police did not believe she had anything to do with
these murder. Police are finally able to get Brent Junior
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into the police station. Brent has no emotion at all
in regards to his parents their murder. Nothing. He said
he didn't know anything about the murder. He said that
they weren't close and that he was here in Greeley,
Colorado the entire time. They head to the home to
interview the children. All the children tell a similar story,
but police said they noticed a few little minor differences
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or things that just weren't matching up. One of the
children did mention that Brent earlier in the week prior
to Thanksgiving had a very disheveled, long hair look, and
that when he came back he was clean cut, and
it just was very different. So police are finding this
is suspicious as well.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, because these children aren't old enough to start talking.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You know, they're not paying attention to a lot of
things unless the thing that what they notice just slaps
them in the face because it's so one eighty degree.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Well, they're also kids are also so terrible with timelines too,
because they don't know if he's probably there all Thanksgiving week, No,
you know, they don't know what they don't remember the
day before. So police they begin asking neighbors about the
family about Brent's little family over there in Carolyn. They
do call her his wife, but she's not. She's not
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actually married to him. She's like his spiritual wife. There's
weird thing. We're going to talk about it more.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
But while they call it common law wife if you've
been shacked up.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Okay, but this is they're into like spiritual things and.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
They touch and then they feel the energy for them
in between them.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yes, I don't think they actually have sex. What No
things are weird to too. We're going to talk about him, okay.
So they told so they're talking to the neighbors. They
told him there was some odd behavior leading up to Thanksgiving.
So Brent was actually seen at two o'clock in the
morning in just like boots and shorts or something, or
possibly just boots, they said, just boots digging up a
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fence post. Like this is two o'clock in the morning
in Colorado in November.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I mean it's chilly, yes, Like what make you shovel up?
Probably don't email shorts to hold nothing.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
In at that even if you're dressed properly for the weather.
We shouldn't be outside digging up a fence post at
two o'clock in the morning. They also found that Brent
and Carolyn slept in different rooms. The house had been
purchased as a wedding present by Brent's parents, but they
did not actually sleep together, so I don't think it
was a real wedding. Again, there was some mental health
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issues in this involvement with this, so the family just
kind of, you know, bought this for as a present,
just to help out Brent. If things weren't odd enough.
Brent actually called into a local news station to talk
to them about him being a suspect. So he just
voluntarily calls into this new station a dummy and says,
I can't believe they think I'm a suspect, blah blah blah,
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and they have the whole thing recorded. Again, this is
just odd behavior. Investigators start looking at how he could
possibly have made it from Colorado to Alabama. They did
not have any records that he had flown, and the
drive would take about twenty plus hours, so they need
to figure out how he would have been able to
do this on his own in a short period of time. Yes,
(29:22):
he had, Yeah, he had mental health issues and he
kind of this. Caroline Scout is a whole nother She
has a whole life that's just sketchy, but we'll we'll
go into it later on at the in the podcast.
But because I don't want to give away the whole
story right now, but.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Why you want to be able to keep listening.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yes, she's she's her own, her own whole.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Story there, Yes, whole podcast on Carolyn. Yes, Carolyn out
of the blue. I guess she volunteers to go back
to the police station to answer questions along with her attorney.
Carolyn got lawyered up. I'm guessing that this is not
a spur of the moment volunteer thing. The lawyerd explained
(30:08):
the police that Carolyn had anxiety issues and that it
can sometimes affect her memory, but if they ask her
very direct questions in small time frames, she might be
able to recall more details.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Drink, Carolyn's a liar. I'm just going to tell you
that you think, yes, Carolyn is is a manipulative person.
And as we go through this and explain.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
This, she was like, She's about to go down. Somehow
they've attracted back to this.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
What I'm saying, Right, So.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I'm going to get a lawyer and I'm going to
go down and.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Never I think she was involved with this, but don't
feel sorry for, Like she's just some like sad lady
in the world I'm talking about the listeners. Do don't
feel sorry for right now that she's some like sad
lady with an anxiety that's married to a murder and
all this stuff, and she's it's actually quite different.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well we know because she already told Plice that he
was there all week, Yes, except for one day when
he went to his friend's house.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay, well she's about to change her story.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, we know, do you we already see that.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
We already see that.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah. Yeah, if she's having trouble with small time frames
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
She's claiming that she's having trouble remembering and that if
they ask her very specifically in front of her lawyer,
she might be able to recall some things.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yes, so she's not going to go down there and
get no trap, but no investigator. She's going down there
with the Laura was prepared. Uh it came with.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
This bullshit anxiety.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yes, defense police ask Carolyn when was the last time
she saw her husband that week? She tells him that
it was on Monday, and then they police say it
says if a light bulb went off on her head
and she's like, oh, I remember I took him to
the bus station.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So your anxiety made you forget that you took your
husband to the bus station.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And then how he got back and everything else. So
red flags go off in the investigator's mind. They're like, Okay,
some this is a bunch of bullshit. This might be
how Brent actually made it to Alabama to commit the
murder of his parents.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, because Thanksgivings on a Thursday, and this was Monday's
plenty of time. So they head to the Greyhound bus
station in town and we're able to find video footage
a Brent junior. He's just meandering in the parking lot outside.
He did look very disheveled, like the kid said, he
had long, scraggly hair. He was he went in laid
down in the back of a truck in the parking
(32:37):
lot for a couple hours. Just it wasn't his truck.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It was just it looked like he was hired from
the camera so he wouldn't be seen.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
No, I don't even think it was that, because he
was right in front of the cameras, like just walking
around the parking lot. I think he has mental health problems,
like severe, so he's me in this truck parking lot
or in this truck in the parking lot, lays down
for a little while. He then pops up and heads
over to a bus that had pulled up. He speaks
(33:06):
to the bus driver and then boards the bus. They
did not find a bus ticket under the name Brent Springford,
but they did find an unconfirmed passenger under the name
of Terry Chance. So they follow that passenger and he
went from Greeley, Colorado, to Denver, to Nashville and then
finally to Montgomery, Alabama. So I guess he just went
and bought the ticket directly from the bus driver. I
(33:28):
guess you can do that. I have no idea, and
then you just have to give him a name.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I won't fly Sparrit Airlines. I definitely won't ride a
greyhound bus cross country, so I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I only know one person that rode a Greyhound bus.
And who do you think that was?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Your brother? Probably the one, the other one, the other brother.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yes, it's funny you knew exactly talking about riding the
ground bus, not if there's anything wrong with Greyhound. But
I won't be caught dead on one.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
If I am, you probably are dead in a suitcase.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Being smuggled like Amy Bradley.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You would be caught dead on a bus. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
So, so they now have this track of this person
making it all the way to Montgomery, Alabama. This would
put that Terry chance fella aka Brent in Montgomery, Alabama
at five thirty pm on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. Now,
while they are figuring out all of this information about
the bus ride, that black Jaguar is located outside of Tulsa, Oklahoma.
(34:36):
There was a bus ticket purchase from Tulsa back to
back up to Denver and then to Greeley. And they
were able to confirm that Brent Junior, that it was
Brent Junior who did this. So he drove the car
back to all the way to Tulsa and then hopped
on a bus and just abandoned the vehicle. They were
able to confirm that Brent Junior was in Montgomery, Alabama.
(34:57):
As they were putting all this information together and they
have timeline, they find out he did visit a hair
salon while he was there and had his head basically
shaved all the hair off and the hairstylist does remember
him because he was just acting very odd.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Not Brent.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Not Brent.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
With this information, police obtain an arrest warrant on December eighth,
two thousand and four. There was no rush, however, because
Brent Junior was in a mental institution. After the arrest,
they were able to find out that he developed mental
health issues right after high school.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, so he had checked himself into a mental institution
when this was all going down. I'm guessing as time
got closer than being caught, he went and checked himself in.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I don't know if I was getting to him or
if he was like, hey, checking into a mental institution
will be a good escape.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
No, he was truly mentally ill.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Do kind of like.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Kind of like who.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Kind of like you.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
They bring Brent and speak to him again, and he
decides to confess. After Brent's mental issue started, his parents
paid for psychiatric care and all sorts of help for him.
They also supported him financially, but as time went on
they started having disagreements about that financial support. It finally
came to a head when his father decided to cut
(36:25):
him out of the will altogether and threatened to sell
the home that he had purchased for him and his wife.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yes, he had gone to He had agreed to go
to Vanderbilt University after high school and everything because he
had good grades and everything like that. Plus he was
rich that definitely could get in. And he only made
it like a semester or two or something and he
dropped out. And that's when he really went off the
deep end. He moved to he got into like all
the spiritual stuff. He moved to Wyoming where that's where
(36:54):
he met that Carolyn Scout. She's like Native American, so
she was trying to show him like this ritual side.
But she was actually a scam artist. She had claimed
she was abused and stuff and collect all of this
money to start a abuse center like a safety center
for Native American women, and then never did it. So
she basically scammed people pocketed. She's a grifter, she scams people.
(37:18):
And then she kind of latched onto Brent. She saw
an opening with his mental health problems.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well, Caroline, Carolyn, Carolyn had encouraged him to speak to
his parents and that's why she took him with the bust.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
This is what Brent's telling the police that she encouraged
him to speak to her parents because.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
As she's confessing this, this is his confession.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, she's manipulating him. I believe she manipulated. They have
no proof that she did, but she's a scam artist.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
So yeah, it seems like she put all this in
his mind to send him down there. Brent Junior arrives
at the home the night before and he just hangs
out there until his parents come home, and then he
attacks him. He said. He killed his father first while
his mother was downstairs, and that's why he was dragged
into the closet to hide his body so that his
(38:10):
mother would not be aware as she walked up the stairs.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Oh, Stu was right, he said, I think she. I
think he moved the rug to cover the blood up.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
So my mom wouldn't realize. She wouldn't notice right away,
it wouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Well, maybe it was covering up better. Maybe it got
moved in the thing because the construction workers saw it immediately.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Well it was daylight, it was probably dark one.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, this is true. Coming up the stairs.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Now, when he attacked his mother, she put up a
very big fight, he said, And that's why there was
such a scene of struggle in the bedroom. He then
staged the scene as if it was a robbery, and
that's why the house was completely torn apart. He then
stole the Jaguar, drove it to Tulsa, and got on
the greyhound bus to go back home.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yes, now, Brent Junior was arrested for the double homicide.
He did plead insanity. However, a psychiatrist believes that he
knew what he was doing. And this goes into like
I said, he did have severe mental health issues, but
this was so premeditated. Normally you for to get the
insanity defense, it has to be like a snap in
(39:15):
the moment yes decision. This is cannot be. You literally
went on a greyhound bus, You rode for twenty plus hours,
You changed bus stations multiple times. You got your hair
cut in town to prepare for to change your parent yes,
to change your appearance. You stole the car, you drove
all the way to Tulsa, you got on another bus
(39:37):
and got back home. This was not a I just snapped,
because if you snapped, then you would go You wouldn't
think of all these ways to cover it up either
on your way back.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I mean, he's trying to say he was insane. All
along and whatever. Temporary insanity is just that you.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Snapped, yes, but he is he isn't he is?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
But it was premeditated insanity. I guess, yeah, okay, can
you have that.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I don't know, Stu. Premeditated insanity.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, you've premeditated that. You're just mentally ill, because you're
that mentally ill.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I don't know. Well, it didn't work because his lawyers
pleaded with the prosecution for a plea deal. Pleaded with
the cons that's some awesome. They begged, yes, they begged
for a plea deal. They were like please, So they decided.
The prosecution decides to speak with Robinson. She was the
only surviving family member, and after a lot of discussion,
(40:31):
they decided to a plea agreement. Now, Brent was sentenced
to life in prison without a chance at parol in
two thousand and eight, but in twenty thirteen he overdosed
in prison at the age of thirty seven and passed away.
So they don't cover it in the show. But if
you start reading up about Caroline Scout, you see what
a scammar she was. She basically found Brent. She was
(40:52):
this older woman with these three children. She saw him
as a prime you know, person to manipulate. He had
a bunch of money behind him. So basically she got
her house, she got they the parents just sent money
after money, just try to keep their.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Son trying to keep that coming in.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah. So anyway, so she was worried about this being
cut off and then what's the point of being around
Brent and everything? And so I believe she to go
kill kill Yeah, because apparently Brent decided to be celibate
at some point. That's why they slept in separate room
before he met her. I mean, but she was an
older woman and not I'm not an old not older
(41:33):
than you.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
You're an you're an older woman to somebody.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Okay, Well, anyway, so they just were not in that
type of relationship. It almost seemed like mother son type
thing rather than partners or whatever. So anyway, she needed
this gravy train to keep going. I'm sure she thought,
maybe they haven't changed the will yet, so you need
to go kill them before they changed the will, because
(41:59):
they rich.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Very rich, So yeah, you gotta stay in that. Well,
my man, keep us on the in the lifestyle we.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Have because they weren't making any money, so there was
no way for them to support. They were the parents
just and apparently it was also he had trouble in
high school and they it almost I don't know if
this is true or not. So allegedly they kind of
let him do what he wanted, so there wasn't a
lot of discipline. There was a lot of drugs and
alcohol use by the by the son, and the parents
(42:30):
didn't really discipline him. They just very very murdochy.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Of them, just let him run wild.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yes, it is what they say. I don't know if
that's true. That's alleged. All right, we've had to cut
out multiple inappropriate sides, so we're gonna end on that note.
St Do you have a yelling Jesus?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Of course I have. I've had him stacked up because
they're just in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
They're just a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, they're just bubbling up to the surface.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
A lot of stupidity in the world.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yes, I had like or four I was trying to
decide between whenever the cold Play thing popped up, and
by the time that.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Hit, people have moved on from the cold Play though
it's old news on TikTok now it was.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Probably way old news whenever we talked about it. By
the time the episode dropped, it was probably like ancient
and social media years. I'm sorry, am I boring you?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
You're boring me?
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Wow? All right?
Speaker 1 (43:26):
She was saying that because I had a complete meltdown
with him because he yawned the other day on when
we were recording any and he said, you're boring me,
and I lost my ship on him, so we had
to cut bost that out.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
But yes, last episode that was.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Sometimes sometimes the last episode recorder that was on the
shoot the Pooh.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
No, I think it was.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
It was on the Shoot the Poo. It was Monday.
I was tired.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You're always cranky. But which leads perfectly dovetails right into
this yell need Jesus because this is about a woman
who just does woman stuff.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
This is the story of a girl required a river
and drown the whole world.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Nope, nope, stop place. Associated Press January sixth, twenty nineteen AP.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
For those that are in the.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Note, woman sent one hundred and fifty nine thousand texts
to a man she met on a dating site. Wow
Florida or not Florida, not Florida, Arizona, Phoenix ap A
woman accused of stalking a man that she met on
(44:48):
a dating site and sent him more than sixty five
thousand text messages.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Apparently you said one hundred and fifty nine thousand.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Well, they said it was six sixty five thousand, but
apparently sent more than twice that many. Jacqueline Aids ades
I guess sent a man more than one hundred and
fifty nine thousand text messages, some of which were threatening,
over the course of nearly ten months, According to police
records the Arizona Republic attained via a public records request,
(45:22):
the two went on a single date. Women, bitches be crazy.
I am all right. The man, whose name has not been released,
called the police after he found Aids parked outside his
home in July twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Okay, I did the math for you guys, because I
need to know. This is about five hundred and thirty
text on average per day for ten months.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Paradise Valley officers escorted her office property, and that's when
police say Aids began threatening the man. One text read,
I'd make sushi out of your kidneys and chopsticks out
of your handbones.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Ooh nice burn.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Mm hmm. Aids was okay, had a damn ad pop
up in my story here. She was arrested for trespassing
inside his home while he was out of the country.
Aids has pleaded not get guilty to the charges of
stalking and criminal trespassing. Her trial was scheduled to begin
February fifth.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
I don't care what you know. How many women get
stalked by men every day and they murder them? So
what you get a little taste of your own medicine.
What I'm just saying, one man gets quits, gets a
little one woman that's a little active on the text,
(46:42):
and all of a sudden, people are getting arrested. Poor
women are out there like, hey, he keeps hating pitting
roses at my door. Can you do anything? Nope, He's
gotta harm you first before we can do anything.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Was she actually trespassed in his home?
Speaker 1 (46:53):
So okay? Well, I feel like women have to prove
the guy basically has to murder the woman before she
can get any help. And this guy's a little my
Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
She can get people arrested on the drop of a dime.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Who did she get arrested?
Speaker 2 (47:06):
I don't know whoever was stalking herd stock her.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I don't know. It's hard for celebrities even to get
them if they don't do anything. If they stay the distance,
they can get restraining orders, but they can't do anything
with them being in the vicinity of that.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
I think he actually broke into her house.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
And yes, they usually have to do something. But I'm
just saying, like women every day are getting stalked by
men and nobody does anything about it.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Well, I got stalked by you. I just ended up
dating you. Just quit stalking me.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Okay, man stalked by a woman produces three children, just
does podcast?
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yes, did not have that on my bingo card as the.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Kids, Well here we are didn't either, all right, so
that is our episode of a week. Okay. So I'm
gonna do the coffee recipe real quick. So I do
two shots. So I do some honey in the bottom
of the the cup, and then I do two shots
of espresso and then star that up because that'll get
the honey. You don't want to put the cold in
because it'll the honey won't dissolve, So start that up.
(48:11):
Then add ice you do. And this is probably in
a I use like a mason jarnt how many those
are probably twelve ounces or something, so something like that.
Put some ice in there. Do half oat milk? Okay,
go ahead, half oat milk, and I like the creamy
Barista one in the brand is what's that brand?
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Oatly?
Speaker 1 (48:35):
No, it's not Oatly.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Milkley No, it's like oat Lovers.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Or something like that. Anyways, it's orange and it says
Barista style, so it's like extra creamy.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
You're gonna probably have to put this on the website now.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Anyways, half the oat milk, half regular milk, and then
a splash of the Chobani sweet cream creamer h perfection,
per affections.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Do is it? Yes?
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Give her a good stir, drink it up.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
That sounds like that could be an aporno or making
a coffee.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
What is it wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (49:14):
What is wrong with you? All right?
Speaker 1 (49:15):
So that's our episode for this week. We will be
back with a new one, a new shoot the Pooh
on Monday, I believe, and then come on, guys, we
could do this on Monday and then hopefully we'll get
back on track with our releases on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Each week.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
We're gonna try really hard this weekend too. I was
really busy with work but things have calmed down now,
so I think we can get back to to normal thing,
normal things. But we'll we'll, we'll talk about our Thanksgiving
plans on on. Okay, I gotta go, we gotta go
pick up the four year old from tumbling camp. All right,
(49:56):
Patreon dot com, thanks for the coffees, Tommy. Let's see Instagram, Facebook, TikTok.
Check it out and rate review, subscribe five stars, only
criticized in the comments, and I guess we will see
you next time. Bye, everyone, say bye st bye.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Don't you know it's bad to be superstitious by napping
else it's working and my hand it's pretty and learning
and sick. It's worry.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
I can
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