150. [Virginia] Harvey and Valerie Looney

In 2009, a worker at the Pizza Plus in Claypool Hill, Virginia walks into the restaurant for the opening shift and finds the manager, Valerie, lying on the floor of the kitchen in a pool of blood. When police arrive, they find it is a double homicide. With very few clues, it would take an FBI profiler and a new interrogation technique to finally solve the case.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey, everyone, welcome to bless this mess on the True
Crump Podcast. I don't care, here's do say. Hey Stu, Hey,
all right, we're back this week and we're going to Virginia.
This was actually a case that was suggested by someone
Stu that messaged us. It was Laura Witch. He sent
this in for us, and it was that show Murder

(00:44):
Comes to Town. It was an episode that and you know,
so here lately, I've been having to just get my
research based off of shows because I used to try
to go and like read newspaper articles and things like that.
Every single newspaper article now you click pay for it.
They want you to pay for it. So I can't
pay for every small newspaper on the planet, you know,

(01:07):
to get more information. So I try my best, but
I have to do it's really cotton down to that,
because they just don't give you free stuff. And then
I used to be able to get when we lived
in Louisiana, I had the library provided all access to
all those old newspaper articles and you could search them
by keywords and it would find them in like they're

(01:28):
actually scanned. It's like what is that called?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Whenever you go to the library Microfish.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Microfish anyways, similar to that, but an online version. But
we don't have that anymore in this library. Sucks here.
I can't believe how.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
That's on there.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, but they only have two in the whole town.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, Loafayette had like fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yes, Lafayette had a huge library system. They had a
ton of online resources. They're audiobooks that they have. They
had such a huge collection of audiobooks. This one has
barely anything. I swear to god, if it's got even
the mention of sex in it. They're like, nope, we're
not putting that one on any of the ones. Besides
the really really main ones. They don't have anything that

(02:13):
might be a little bit risk a Stu. It's like
just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Why are you trying to get.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Risk books, Stuart?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
What's what's not happening at your personal life that you
need a book with that's a risk?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well maybe you should just be happy whatever I read
in the book you get to experience in your personal life.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Okay, do I.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Stuart? Okay, shut up? All right? Anyway, So what was
the name? So? Yeah, So thank you for the suggestion,
And if anybody has a case, really there has to
be almost a show now about it, because I'm telling
you it is very difficult these days to get access
to newspaper articles.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, unless it's a high profile one that you already
know about.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
And if it's high profile, then enough free outlets have
written about it. But if it's these local newspapers, they
will not. They're not giving up the good.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
There ain't nobody subscribing in their local hometown.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
I know some they want you to hit. They were like,
you can have this one for ninety nine cents per
article and stuff like that, and I'm just not gonna
I'm not gonna pay because what if what I don't
even know what's in the article. If it's usable, it
could be two paragraphs about stuff I already know. You know,
you get like the little snippet, but the minutes you
click on it, it like for one second. Every once
in a while, real bad. I'll like try to screenshot

(03:23):
it before the stupid thing pops up because I really
only need it for maybe a couple of facts. But anyways,
here we are. Yeah, I'm probably gonna get someone mad
at me for a screenshot in those but it doesn't
really work anymore. As soon as you click on it.
It's it's got the sign up to get a subscription
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
So I would think there'd be a clearing house where
you could pay one time and get all the newspapers somewhere.
Maybe I have to look at that.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Maybe, Yeah, I don't know, because right now every single
one I've tried to get to read several articles on
this one and I couldn't get past like of course Oxygen,
you know the show. They had some more information about it,
and you could read that for free because their money's
all being made on tv TV. But all the local
newspapers unless it was like a Facebook post, it was

(04:12):
it was all purchase only because this is a small
town in Virginia. Okay, I think that's it. I was
just telling everybody if you ever wonder like that's what
so that So she she sent an episode and everything
to watch, and so it's much easier that way, because
it's very difficult if there's not a big network that's

(04:35):
done an episode. All right, But I do try to
supplement the shows.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's just hard what some extra facts with some extra
facts the wasn'on in the show, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Because sometimes the shows don't want to talk about the
the real.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
They don't even give you the real name sometimes.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, you gotta be real careful about using a The
only people I ever used the real names are are
the people that I know for sure. But like this one,
it gave some names of some people, and I went
and tried to Google and try to find I couldn't
findnything out, So I didn't use their name because I
don't think there were real people. So they were they
it was like a fake name for.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
The non playing characters in their Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Well it's usually like they it's like a girlfriend or
a boyfriend or something or someone they were looking into.
Like someone said, oh, Michael's the one that we think
he's the one that did it, but he really had
nothing to do with it. So they're not going to
put his blast his name on the show. They just
changed his name to whatever. Yeah they say Michael, but

(05:32):
his real name could be like Richard. I don't know anyways,
all right, So so thank you for the suggestion. We
did cover it, or we're covering it right now. And
then patreon dot com we are doing Shoot the Poo
with Karen stew So we'll record that here in a
little bit. We're going to be talking about the Brian

(05:55):
Koburger impact statements because it's pride pride. I have some opinions.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
They don't align with mine.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
No, I just want to preface this by saying, so
I'll talk about it more on that one, because I
could I go on about things once I get going,
I just don't let it go.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Still has to follow around the house, yea the whole time. Anyways,
are you listening to me? You're walking away?

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Anyways. I just want to say that I don't think
what drove me crazy about this is people are almost
like ranking these impact statements for these people. I don't
think we as a society should be ranking people's impact statements.
Are saying like, oh, this was the best victim's impact
statement I've ever heard. This is like so weird. The

(06:45):
so everybody's going on about the Gonsolves family and like
the sister because she she they had different they all
had different approaches to this. They are still the Gonsolves
family is still in a very angry place in their life,
and they just want to talk to Brian Coburger and
put him in his place and telling me he's dirty
and ugly and your breast stank and your Mama sucks basically,

(07:09):
but the other family members were in a different They're
in a different place. They wanted to talk about their
family member that was murdered and really draw the attention
on them. And it's two different paths, not saying one
is right or one is wrong, but everybody just keeps
going on about this. Olivia, she did the best impact
statement ever. It's like, well, but also the grandma who
did Maddie Mogen, that was she hers was great too.

(07:31):
She talked about Maddie and to do this now instead
of Okay, I'm gonna stop anyways. That's just I just
don't think we should be ranking. But am I going
to give my thoughts not directly about their impact statements
because whatever they did, except for one line, I will
talk about. But I just don't think we should be
making one person seem better than the other person's. It's

(07:53):
all whatever the person that's this happened to, you know,
family member is what they need at that time. And
I think the Internet needs to calm the fuck down.
That's my but it's not gonna stop me from giving
my two cents on the internet.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
I'm gonna be calm the fuck now.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
But we'll talk about that. So yeah, you get the
episodes twenty four hours early and ad free, and then
we do have the Shoot the Pooh. We're gonna we're
trying to put those out on Mondays. And then Facebook
Instagram almost said Facebook dot calm, like I want you
just call it the Facebook www Dot Facebook dot call.

(08:37):
I do call it the Facebook, Stu. I do say
the Facebook. And then we have TikTok where I shared
documentaries and things that I like, I tried. I did
share a couple thoughts on Amy Bradley yesterday because I
just felt like stirring the pot. So I did it, Stu.
And then no, I was tired. Last week. It was

(09:00):
mainly on the cruise director, I feel because everyone just
like hates the cruise director because he isn't ass in
the documentary one hundred percent. Like we were not arguing
that point. He was the one that was like, I
could is he.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
An ask or is he just being practical?

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Well, I know, but the way he behaved in the documentary,
he wasn't very like, you know, I'm really sorry for
their loss and everything. He's like, I can't stop a
fucking well he didn't say for but like, basically, he's like,
fuck it, I can't stop a whole ship. But he
was I'm going to tell you, guys, he was right.
He wasn't asking the documentary. He was right. You cannot
stop two thousand people from getting off a ship. Because

(09:37):
a twenty three year old woman has been missing for
less than an hour, he's probably thinking she's shacked up
in someone's cabin, had a great time last night. And
we got these dawdling parents over here.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
We got tours going, yeasion they can't. Yeah, buses are
lining up, people are trying to get on.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Because my thing is like, if it was a five
year old, yes, they probably would have stopped everything. They
would have said if they definite would have because they
wouldn't want someone to try to remove the child from
the ship or something. But a grown adult that's been
missing that long, you haven't even had time to search
the whole ship. And he's probably seen this so many
times people, especially back things, you didn't have cell phones.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I want you to TikTok.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Well you can go to the TikTok. But I'm just
I'm just sharing a little bit of what I was
saying in my opinion on that but we also covered
that in one of our Shoot the poos too. I
go on about this as well.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Go on.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
So anyways, if you want to know what Shoot the
Poo's rambling on about something true crime that week, I
may just because this is el Stu has to deal
with me at home off, I may just.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Have to record me going yeah, and then I won't
have to participate and shoot the poos.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
All right, because I'm going to go talk. You do
get to talk, Stewart. It's just what you say is stupid, Okay.
If you don't agree with me, then it's not a
good opinion and.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
You need to correct it, which is going to be
happening here on show.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yes, it's going to be happening because we do disagree
on a few things, all right. So let's go ahead
and get into this week's episode. Out of Virginia. Harvey
Dean Looney was born July thirty first, nineteen fifty six,
in Grundy, Virginia. Grundy.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
That's a name, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
July thirty first is also Harry Potter's birthday, not in
nineteen fifty six, but that's the date he would meet
Valerie Elaine Looney Ney Phillips, who was born June twenty fifth,
nineteen sixty in Richland's Virginia. Now, they would go on
to Mary on March thirtieth, nineteen Avy Avy.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Ayvy, are you drunk?

Speaker 1 (11:47):
What is that thing that Phil says? It's so, it's
everything's gravy in the avy. That's a modern family quote.
They were going to marry in nineteen eighty Harvey and Valerie.
What did I say? Oh? I lost my place. Harvey
and Valerie would about a year later welcomed a child,

(12:07):
They're only It would be their only child, a son
named Christopher. Now, in nineteen ninety eight, Valerie takes a
job at Pizza Plus and soon after Harvey began working
there as well. Now the couple was well known in
the community. They were liked by everyone. Now, Valerie was
known to run a tight ship at the pizza place

(12:28):
because she eventually moved up to being the manager.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
No pizza for you.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, and she was. She didn't she didn't deal with
people being late and things like that. So they said
she was a bit of a tough cookie as a manager.
But she was well liked. Everybody would come over and
visit them and just thought they were great at the
pizza place. And I believe that Harvey he went by
Dean by his friends. But since we're not friends with him,
we're gonna go with Harvey.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
I don't feel, you know, like we should.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Just be that.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
So Harvey, he was a He would deliver pizzas there
and things like that, and it was just kind of
like there. They didn't own the pizza place, but it was,
you know, they ran the place. You know, it was
she was the manager and they were fixtures in it
for for over a decade.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
On March thirty, two thousand and nine, at eight forty
a m. In Claypool Hill, Virginia, a call comes into
nine one one from a woman by the name of Mary.
She just entered the pizza place and found the mansa
plus Stewart that pizza plus the of the thing psa
plus what pizza plus?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
And Mary is her name. It wasn't just made it
because that was the recording of the nom on one call,
just in case anybody's wondering if that's also a made
up name. But it's not not that anybody cared.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
But go on, and why are you interrupting this?

Speaker 1 (13:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Police arrived on the scene to find forty eight year
old Valerie Looney lying dead in the kitchen. It was
clear by the scene that there had been a violent beating.
There was blood all over the kitchen, prep table, of
the ovens is just pretty much everywhere. On top of
being severely beaten, Valerie had her throat slit to the
point where she was actually almost decapitated. Police continue to

(14:14):
investigate the scene and they make their way through. They
find that the back door's open. There they find another
victim line on the ground. They identified the second victim
as fifty two year old Harvey Looney. Harvey also had
his throat slit, but he did not appear to have
been beaten. While looking around the crime scene trying to

(14:34):
find a motive, they did find that all the money
in the cash register was missing, so initially they thought
it was a robbery ClearCase. Yay, you've been messed up
like ten times already at this point. However, when inspecting
the victims, they found that neither one of their personal
belongings had been taken. This included a large amount of
money in Harvey's wallet, which would have actually been more

(14:57):
than what was taken from the cash register.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, because he was a delivery driver, and this is
two thousand nine. A lot of people still hand it
over cash. When you went out there to deliver, you know,
this was still the cash. We weren't buying things on apps.
I don't think yet, m I don't like now. I
couldn't imagine ever handing It's not even an option. I
don't know. Maybe it is, but I can't even imagine
handing cash too. I mean, at this point, I don't

(15:23):
want to even interact with anybody. I just want you
to leave it on my doorstep and I'll check my
ring camera to see yes.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
It's Whenever it jangles, I'll be like, oh, there's the person.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I felt so bad when so we got pizza after
I wrote this episode. This is kind of fucked up,
But I really wanted pizza because weird. It was just
like kept pizza, pizza plus pizza, pizza pizza, And so
I ordered Little Caesars because it's the cheapest, because, let's
face it, pizza has gotten out of control.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
It is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
It is Little Caesar's the only one that hasn't gone
up in prices. Really, I mean a little bit, but
nothing like what it is. So anyways, so ordered pizza,
and I felt bad because I sent our four year old.
I was like, oh, look, something's at the door or whatever,
and she thought it was her uncle. And then she
was almost crying because then when she opened it up
it was just pizza that happened.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yes, I was outside, Yeah, she.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Was almost because last time when my brother came to visit,
I had her, you know, open the door and there
he's standing there and she's so excited. And so we've
done this before where I'll go, I'll like come home
and all get food, and I'll go bring it and
put it by the door and then ring the doorbell
and then they come and open. They're all excited because
there's French fries or Chick fil A or something like that.
So I was like, oh, look she's gonna have fun.
But it backfired.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
It was just depressing fifteen minutes. Sadenough Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Oh, it's just pizza. Anyways.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
So anyways, well I don't understand. I mean, I would
think that even if they found that the guy hadn't
been robbed of his personal belongings, why would they think
it wasn't a robbery Because some people would be in
a robbery in the moment killing somebody like, but normal
people they lose their train of thought while they're in
that moment.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Well I know, but they were just saying that if
all the personal belongings had been taken, it would have
been clearly a robbery. But this, if someone's going to
go to the extremes of murdering two people to take
all everything, they're going to check the pockets and everything.
There was no rush to get out or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I think that somebody that meticulously planned this once they
got into it, that could have been like just forgot
to check the pockets and just took the cash out
of the.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Red Okay, well, they didn't know if it was a
clear robbery now or just a shitty, horribly done robberies
to Okay, that's the two levels they're at. In case
you need clarification, Okay, this is what we're doing. There
will be animosity the rest of this recording. Police found
blood drops in the sink, which a period that the
murder tried to cover up or clean up after themselves.

(17:53):
But then other things didn't make sense. The killer mopped
his way out of the kitchen towards the back door,
but they placed the mop back where it would have
normally sat. Next to the mop, they found a fire
extinguisher that was covered in blood. It was hanging in
the spot that it should be, but it did appear
to be the murder weapon that was used on Vallery,
So they believe she was beaten to death with a

(18:16):
damn fire extinguisher, which would be a horrible way to go.
It was confusing the police. Why would they hang this
back up but not clean it off or take it
with them? The way the person positioned the mop back
in its correct spot made them think that somebody that
had been the person that did this was very familiar

(18:36):
with the pizza shop, Yeah, and the closing duties and
things like that, because why why would you mop out
of the space. It was almost like a muscle memory
to go put the mop backward where it belonged, and
then again taking and not cleaning off the fire extinguisher
and then hanging it back up. Why wouldn't you just
leave it on the ground or take it with you?

(18:58):
Or it was just a weird thing. Yeah, it was
a weird thing to take time to put to hang
it back in its place when you already left this
huge scene and it just didn't make sense to please,
so please begin interviewing friends, family, and coworkers. They start
with Christopher this is the Sun. They bring him in
and let him know that his parents had been found murdered.

(19:19):
Christopher did live with his parents at the time, he
was going through a split with his wife. They asked
him where he was that evening. He said that he
was at their home watching TV all evening. They asked
him if he thought it was odd that they hadn't
returned home that night, because they're thinking, well, you're at
the house, where why wouldn't you worry that they weren't there.
This did happen late late at the night before, so

(19:42):
it was reasonable he could have gone to bed or
something like that. And he said, so it's reasonable for
him to go to bed that night, is what they
were thinking. And then get up in the morning and
it's saying, like, why didn't you notice they weren't there?
And he said that they had told him they were
going out of town because that March thirtieth, which is
the day that they were found, was their twenty nine anniversary,

(20:04):
and so they had planned to go to Gatlinburg for
a little getaway to celebrate. I don't think it was Gatlinburg, Tennessee,
though I think there's another Gatlinburg. Or is Virginia and
Tennessee Are they close together?

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I'm not sure where Gatlinburg is in to Claypool Hill, Virginia,
so I would have to map quest that. I'd have
to map quest that.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I thought they said it was a different Gatlinburg, but
that one I definitely could have looked into. I think
I meant to go back and look and I forgot,
but I don't think it was I think Gatlinburg, Tennessee
would be too far away. So they asked Christopher if
he knew anyone that might want to harm his parents,
and he immediately named a delivery driver that worked at
the pizza place. Now this was definitely in red flag

(20:49):
for police because the person that he was naming was
also they person that they knew was the last to
see Valerie in Harvey Live. He was the last one
that was closing that night and would have been around them.
So they also interviewed the worker who found Valerie and
Harvey and when asking her if she knew anybody who
had went to harm harm either Valerie or Harvey. She

(21:11):
named a man who worked next door at the car wash. Now,
the car wash next to the pizza place had some
and yes, I am saying pizza place because at the
beginning I named it Pizza Plus, which is the name
of it, but now I'm just referencing it in general
as Pizza placet It's.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Pizza plus Kara.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
So the car wash next door was known to have
some shady activities as carrshes, because I'm pretty sure my
uncle had a car wash and he was a pretty
shady motherfucker himself, you know. So they were doing nefarious
things because that's how you can launder money too, as well,

(21:49):
not physically launder it.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
But I mean, there's a lot of things I should
have known about you and your family before we got married.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I know, when my brother came to as that, we
were telling stories about me growing up and like, are
my family in particular, and it's it's a lot, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
We could probably do a podcast on that, do our
Patreon on that.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, that would be family stories anyway. So Valerie believed
there was some drug activity going on extors. There was
some animosity between that because I believe she had probably
reported Yeah, and saying that there's weird activity, you know,
going on.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Valerie made some enemies in the town.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
She well, it is kind of there. There usually is
nobody that would it would be angry with them, But
she did have a couple of people that might have
been angry that people. People could name off the top
of their head and be like, yeah, she kind of
pissed this part off. Like I said, she did run
a tight ship kind of like.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
So police came to me and asked me who I
thought what might have killed you? I'd be like, well,
I don't know, let me get out the list.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's not even true. I don't interact with people enough
to anger anybody.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Well just well the podcast, somebody might come looking for you.
We just don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yes, Can I just say another thing that we forgot
to mention with the Amy Bradley. Oh Jesus, her brother's
name is Brad Bradley, Like, why would you do that
to your child? Is his name Bradley though his full name,
so it's Bradley Bradley.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
What's his middle name.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Brad I don't know, I'm at the look, but his
name was Brad Bradley. In the documentary, it's just why
would you, Why would you do that?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Why anybody would do that.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I just think that was the real crime that happened,
was the naming Brad.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Back on subject. Police had over to speak to the
delivery driver that last saw Valerie and Harvey alive, and
he was acting a little bit odd. He did actually
ask if any money was missing, which was strange. Whenever
there's two people murdered, that's one of your questions that
you would ask the police.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, I just felt like maybe the town was bored
and they had been watching a lot of true crime
because the girl that called in on the nine to
one call, she said the manager's lying in a pool
of blood, which is classic true crime documentary verbage. And
then this one he's like, what was there? Money taken?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Was there?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I just think they were true crime.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Police asked him to retrace his steps that night, and
he said that he did the regular closing duties. He
told police that Valerie would be staying late that night
because it was Sunday and that's when she does the
end of the week paperwork. He also said he mopped
himself out of the restaurant and leaned the mop outside
the back door, and that he'd left around eleven fifteen.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Pm, so that means whoever did this moved the intentionally
took the mop, moved in and put in a different place.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
He said that Harvey and Valerie were there whenever he left,
and he headed to a friend's house after work, and
he provided that name. Police let him go while they
looked into his alibi. They then head over to talk
to the suspect of the car wash. When interviewing a man,
he said they had his car washed over there next
door and that he had gone to the pizza.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Place and he is part of STU was confused on this,
he is he's I don't know if he's the owner
of the car. They didn't go into details because I
don't think they used his real name because I couldn't
find any more information. But the police officers in the
episode did say that this was one of the people
they were looking into, but they used a different name
and everything, so it was very hard to get any

(25:23):
information about him. But the guy was either the owner
or just affiliated with the nefarious activities of.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Alleged various activities. Well, he got his car washed, went
to the pizza place, but he never went inside and
by went to the pizza place. He parked in front
of the pizza place because police pull video and he
did go park next to the pizza. Plus he sat
there for a while, but he never got out of
the car and then he drove off. Even though this

(25:51):
is odd behavior, police do not have any evidence that
he actually left his car and went into the pizza
shop and did anything.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, so he's he's pretty much off the hook on
that one. Now. Just one day into the investigation, please
get a call from the local jail. There was a
man named Ryan Schuler who claimed to have information about
the murders. He claims that he was told that three people.
One was named Jared, the other one went by the
name Rat, and possibly a woman that worked at a

(26:21):
bar named they use the name Michelle. Don't know if
that's her real name or not, but Rat and Jared
were definitely the name because there was video footage of Yeah.
So apparently this Michelle lady who worked at the bar
was telling people that there was a robbery gone wrong
and that the guys ended up killing some people. Now

(26:42):
this shit, like we said, Michelle's the one talking. She
said that she drove the other two individuals to a
robbery and something got out of hand, and that they
were going to rob them and that this the murder
part was completely unplanted. So they go and track down
this Michelle woman at her work and she denies any involvement.
She says she never made those statements. You don't know

(27:03):
what the fuck rat's talking about.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
A rat, classic rat, Never trust a rat, always making
shut up yep.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
So they head over to talk to the other individuals
that supposedly were involved, and one of them actually did
have an arrest worn out for them, so they were
able to pick them up as well as search their property.
Now they did find a knife on the property, but
no evidence of like a money bag. Because it's just
a day later, so they thought maybe it would still
be at the property. They took the knife in and

(27:31):
after a couple weeks it did come back as having
no evidence it had been used in this crime. So
this jailhouse informant appears to have been pretty much a
dead end now. During this time, they were also able
to rule out the pizza delivery guy who last saw
Valerie and Harvey. His alibi completely checked out. He was
with his friend that evening who vouched for him. You know,

(27:52):
I don't understand these people in these prisons that are
just do they just want out for the like just yeah,
they want to get out of there, talk to somebody.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Go go have a cup of coffee and maybe hey,
if you get me some barber. Yeah, they might get
some fast food that day or something.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, They're like, let's just go, let's just go do this.
What do I have to lose?

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Let me get a double quarter pound or cheese.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Man, I think they should get in trouble for lying.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
What are you gonna do? Put them in jail, I don't.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Know, extra time. Put them in solitary.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Confinement, no, no commissary privileges. Yes, but I mean if
they get that that fast food meil, they'll be like, okay,
I'll give it.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
That's fine. I could get if I was in prison
and someone bought me like a McDonald's Big Mac or
something and be like, I'll kill you whatever you want me.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
To tell you.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I'll take whatever punishment comes my way afterwards. For sure.
Right now, it's Taco Bell, though, I'm like really into
taco Bell.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yes, you bought all the stuff at the Damn.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
It doesn't taste the same.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, it doesn't I love it.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Nacho's bell grande with no beans, and but at home,
I don't want to cook all the ground beats. So
I bought the bean. I bought some fried beans, and
the lady at work, she told me how to make
refried beans from because she she's a Hispanic and they
make she gets all these recipes from her family or
whatever from Mexico. And she told me how to make

(29:14):
refried brains, which it was super simple. She's like, you
just need like a fat and she said they adili
U's lard or whatever. And she said they're called refried beans.
She said she believes because they would make them in batches,
because like food that they make is also very similar
to like Cajun food. I feel like it was always
like Cajun food was just whatever is on hand, cheap
and for a large group of people. Well a lot

(29:36):
of their foods are like that too, where they it's
like whatever's on hand, whatever's local and everything. Anyway, So
the beans, they would just fry the pinto beans in
like a lard or a bacon fat or something like that.
And then she said, you just kept refrying them. That's
why they're called refried beans because heat them back up or.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Whatever, kind of like a gumba, just keep heating it
up till it's gone. Beans ryes.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
But she says she thinks she if that was If
that's not true, don't come at her. Okay, she said
she thinks that's why it was called that. She's not
one hundred percent sure. And I never looked it up.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
So wow.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
But I made them the way I made them, the
way she told me to make them, and they were
really good. And then I went and cheaped out and
bought the freaking canned ones and see if I get
and they're disgusting. And then the cheese at the Taco
Bell cheese that they say it is does not taste
anything like the Taco Bell cheese. I got the on
the border chips and they were not the right tasting chip.

(30:30):
So you just can't do anything. I just need to
go to Taco Bell and get my bell ground.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
So we're having Taco Bell for dinner, is what you're
telling me.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
No, we're having French French dip. Yeah. I do have
a roast in the crockpot, slow cooking all day. Smells delicious.
We're having French dip. French dip sandwiches like on French
bread and with the provolone cheese. Shut upstairs laughing because
I said French dip sandwiches on French No.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I'm just laughing that you've gone on for a half
hour on this acide when we're talking.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Hungry, Okay, But my point was I would lie to
someone right now for a Nacho's Belgrunde from Taco Bell.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Can I get back into this? As the weeks go by,
police did get the back the official autopsy report. Surprisingly,
Harvey did not pass away from the injury to his throat.
He actually appeared to have a heart attack when he
was in the struggle with the attacker and the killer. Actually,
they what they pretty much believe is that he slid

(31:36):
his throat After the fact, Valerie was confirmed to have
been beaten with the fire extinguisher. It was her blood
found all over it in the sink. The blood ended
up being a commingling from the two and with the
killer rinsing off his hand, so Harvey in Valerie's blood
was from him washing his hands. They were unable to

(31:59):
find any other DNA profile at the scene, with all
of their prime suspects having solid alibis, the case quickly
ran cold.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Okay, so I looked up refried beans. Oh Jesus, so
it's refried beans comes from a mistranslation of the Spanish
name for the dish freeho refritos. The ree was taken
directly from the Spanish name, but in Spanish the re
prefix actually means very or well. So that's why they're
called refried beans.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Anyways, thank you for that. The more you know the bar,
they'll come hand in.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Martin, Well, if you run into Michelle at the bar.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Never if you run.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Into Michelle at the bar, you can try and impress
her with that, all right. In twenty twelve, one of
the investigators attended an FBI seminar where a profiler was
talking about how they were able to look at crimes
and come up with general description of who might be
the culprit. We've seen this a lot, these small town,
smaller town police, you know, they have to do those

(33:02):
I don't know. I'm guessing they have to do like
continuing education hours. I'm assuming wow.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I figure that they got any extra money in the budget.
The chief would be like, yeah, why don't you go
up there and learn some what the latest investigations.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Well, because realistically, when you look at these small towns,
I always wonder how this I always think about this
whenever they're on news, it's something like, well.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
They police or something. Yeah, they don't have the resources.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Well like the Moscow you know, Idaho people, they probably
don't deal with a lot of murders and stuff, and
all of a sudden they're just thrown in the public
eye having to talk about this stuff, and they're not
really I mean, they did a great job and everything
like that, but I'm saying like this is probably a
lot like if you don't ever investigate a murder, like,
how are you supposed to get good at it?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
You know.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
So anyway, so he's at this at the seminar, and
so with no new evidence, they decide to send the
so he learns about this. They decided to send the
case of the FBI for them to come up with
a profile of the potential killer. They come back saying
that it was a male between the ages of twenty
and thirty with only a high school education, and the
killer would be familiar with operations of the pizza place.

(34:12):
They also believe that whoever did this was specifically angry
at Valerie do the brutality of injuries. I didn't really
feel like that was that much new information. I feel
like I could have said that maybe there is more
detail in the profile, but that's kind of the the you.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Know, yes, brain is wet, sign is a warm.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Well, I don't know if he but see, Okay, here's
where they're a little I feel like they're a little
bit off. I don't think that they it was particularly
they were very upset with Valerie. They kind of lucked out,
not lucked out, that's a bad thing to say, but
in a sense of what they were trying to do.
Harvey had a heart attack or else they might have
had to beat him as well. So you can't really
say because he he really died in a different way,

(35:01):
you know. I mean, he was having a heart attack,
but that debilitated him to the point where they could
slit his throat. But I'm saying, is.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
They have to beat him with them?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, they didn't have to. So I don't necessarily think
I think I could do better than the FBI, because
I don't really feel I feel like there's a there's
a caveat there because they could have been just as
angry at Harvey.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well, they might have smashed his head in with the
fire ex thing wishure after I had a heart attack,
if they were really angry with him.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Well I guess. But well then that implies that they
weren't actually angry at Valerie. They just that was what
they grabbed and everything to use as the weapon, and
then they didn't need it on Harvey. No, okay, wait
a minute, listen to me.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Oh God, there we go.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
So he's laying there having a heart attack. I guess
they didn't know if he would actually pass, So that's
why they slit his throat, because they slip both of
their throats. So Okay, this is really disturbing, So just
move on. We need stuff talking about their slitting their throats.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
With the Sheriff's Department reopening the case, they go back
and speak to Christopher, who is the Sun. While he
is helpful with talking to the police, he doesn't really
go beyond yes no answers and providing any more details
that seemed to have any bearing on the case, and
he doesn't really seem interested in the police actually solving this.

(36:19):
They also noticed that he has some nicer belongings, including
a new truck.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yes, and I did find out that about four months,
four months into the case or four months after it
kind of went cold, they did discover that they did
have a life insurance policy. So now they're noticing that
he's now apparently using the life insurance policy money and
buying himself a brand new truck.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
What else would you do with.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Which is an absolutely dumb ass thing to do. That
is an appreciating asset and a waste of money. Go
buy something that'll get you from point A to point
B and don't be going into debt with all these
huge car payments. People. Okay, that's your financial thank you.
Dave ramsay, yes, and by Little Caesar's not the other

(37:02):
pizza places because it's cheap. Well, Dave would have a
I know he would not like that.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
They would not like you buying the Little Caesars either, Nope,
he would not what this side behavior. Police decide to
go back and look at his initial statements and potentially
see if he might be involved in this. Christopher did
agree to do a polygraph test dummy, which he did pass,
but police say it was close on the edge, on.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
The brank brink of filling. But again, why are you
saying dummies do Who cares about the polygraph called polygraph tests?
We all know that.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
They're bullshit, yes, so why tack it?

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Well, my brother was telling me that he had to
take a polygraph test when he was trying to get
into the police part, and he said, it's so stressful.
He said, they tell you can't move and if you
breathe too fast it could throw off the results and everything.
I'm like, I mean, the only people I've seen take
one in real life is the Real Housewives of Orange County,
or that might have been them and another Real Housewives.
There's always something stupid. Oh was it the one where

(37:58):
Vicky was lying about cancer? I don't remember. Anyways, they
had her, No it was Lisa. Maybe it was Lisa
vander Pump went and took a light detective test. Anyway,
that's the only thing. And of course they're all glamorous
and relaxed and stuff, because it probably wasn't really a
polygraph test, because my brother said it was very intense
feeling taking the polygraph test, you know, with how you

(38:20):
had to tell them telling you to stay calm and
don't breede too fast, don't move all that stuff. So
police they revisit family and friends to focus more on
of their questions on pointing towards that relationship with Christopher,
because he wasn't I don't think they ruled him out
at the beginning. He wasn't really a suspect, but they
weren't too sure about him. But they didn't really have

(38:42):
any evidence to go after him or anything like that.
So one of Valerie's good friends said that she saw
bruising on Valerie's arm leading up to her murder. The
friend said that she knew. She was like, I know,
Harvey didn't do that to you, and she said she
just kept confronting Valerie about it, and Valerie eventually admitted
that Christopher had made those bruises. Now this is what

(39:03):
was not a one time occurrence. Apparently he had attacked
his mom on multiple occasions. The friend asked if they
thought that they could get Christopher some help, and Valerie said, no,
I believe he's just too far gone, which I don't
know what that means. If someone's too far gone, they're just.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
They're like, we're not going to dump any money into
the sky to get him any help. I guess the
sunk costs we're out of this, but.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Then you need to get away from him. As they
continue looking into Christopher, they find that he was struggling
with money and now they're finding out about this terrible
relationship he had with his mother. He was also familiar
with the shop, and he completely matched the FBI profile.
It also leads place back to the DNA evidence. Now,
this could be why they were unable to find a
DNA profile in the blood rinsed off in the sink.

(39:48):
There was no test that could difference the son's profile
with the mixture of the two parents, So that's why
they couldn't rule him out as a suspect. But they
also couldn't definitively say yes, he was the killer, because
I mean, you're your DNA is a mixture of your
two parents.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
So.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
If they're blood in the mom's blood, I mean, I
guess they have.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
But I mean if he didn't even cut himself during
the attack though, then yeah, was there any blood in
the sink to test.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Because they didn't mention any defensive wounds, like the dad
had had a heart Harvey had a heart attack, so
that he wouldn't have had any injuries with that, and
then his h the mom, he slit her throat, but
it was after he'd beaten her with the fire exeemiasure.
So I don't know unless she was scraped like scratched him,
but they didn't mention any defensive wounds, or she would

(40:37):
have had some skin cells under her fingernail.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
You know, I do know, Okay, I have seen true
crime stories before, yes, oh, yes, yes. In twenty thirteen,
the sheriff's department decides to hire somebody outside of the
department that was more familiar with interview and murder suspects.
They bring in an entire progator to talk to Christopher.

(41:02):
Christopher does agree to come in on his own accord
and talk about his actions leading up to the time
of the murder. The interrogator does, he start questioning him
about some inconsistencies with what he was saying happened. Now,
what the interrogator does is he use something called the
read technique. This is a three part process in the interrogation.

(41:25):
It includes fact analysis, behavior analysis, interview, and the read
nine steps of interrogation.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yes, so this guy was an expert in this, and
there is a website called John Reid and Associates, and
apparently this is his fame technique for interviewing people that
are not that they need to admit that they.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Did something, get them painted into a corner.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
And so I believe this was also part of what
the person learned at the seminar. Along with profiling, was
also these these new techniques in interrogator.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Police started or the interrogators started with him saying, you know,
wanting him to explain about his parents being headed out
heading out of town that day for their anniversary. They
tell him that they spoke to a dentist in town
who was friends with Harvey.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
And I don't think it was a denist. Is probably
theist Dennis, the only dentist in town, small town, the.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Dentist who was friends with Harvey, and he told police
that they were going on a fishing trip that day,
ninth anniversary. Come on, har that's his anniversary present from
the wife. Yeah, the dentist never heard anything about Harvey
canceling on him to go out of town to Gatlinburg, all.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Right, And I did look up. Gatlinburg, Tennessee, is only
three hours and two minutes from their Claypool Hill, Virginia,
so it could have been that was probably where they
were going because for some reason, I thought they said Gatlinburg, Maryland,
but that that's not a talent. I looked that up.
So there's a Gathisburg, Maryland. But they were going to Gatlinburg,

(43:02):
which I heard. Gatlinburg's nice.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
That's what I hear as well. Okay, Anyway, the interrogator
starts by questioning Christopher on these inconsistencies about the trip
to Gatlinburg. The denists is saying, no, we're going fishing.
They also start talking to it Christopher about possibly some
DNA evidence being left at the crime scene. So they're
trying to goad him into maybe giving out a little

(43:27):
bit more information or details.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Drink.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
They're trying to get him into a point where he'll
admit the truth. Slowly, you can see Christopher starting to
open up, and eventually he says, in a very quiet voice,
it was an accident. He tells the investments, it's.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Clearly not an accident, you dumb ass, Jesus christ.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yes, the fire extinguisher fell on her head twenty five times.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Getting mad at your dad and maybe getting into it
with him, and then he has a heart attack. Seems
like more of an accident than you know, beating someone.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
And you pushed in. Christopher tells the investigator that he
went over to the Pizza Plus that night to talk
to his mother about money. He owed some court fees
and other associated cost and if he didn't pay him
by a certain date, he would be going to jail.
He said his mom would not give him the money,

(44:20):
so he became very angry. He said he pulled out
a knife that he had on him and he cut
her on the neck. His dad then began to enter
the shop from the back door. He went to attack him,
and that's when he said his dad stopped coming at him,
at which point the police believed that's when Harvey was
having his heart attack. Christopher slid his dad's throat. Then

(44:42):
he went back into the pizza shop to make sure
that his mom wasn't moving. That's when he said he
grabbed the fire extinguisher. Then he beat her with it
multiple times. Then he hung it back up on the wall.
He mentioned mopping the floor as he left to remove
his footprints. They asked if he would like to mention
anything else or add anything else to his confession, and

(45:04):
he just said that he was sorry and he began crying.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
So like I said, when they were looking into Christopher.
He did receive that two. So he killed both his
parents for two hundred and forty thousand dollars, which is sad.
And in twenty fourteen he pleads no contests to his
charges and he is sentenced to two life sentences and
he's currently in prison as well.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
He should be.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
No, it was so disturbing. So I was writing this
while I was.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Watching, and you became hungry for pizza. Yes, that was disturbing.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
That was disturbing the heart. What's to do? Okay? Anyways,
what was disturbing is so they kept showing pictures during
this of the parents in this, like the kid when
he was like a toddler and baby and stuff like that.
And I'm sitting there and I got this little grimlin baby,
you know, over here trying to, you know, take my
computer from me. And then I got the three year

(45:58):
old over there, melting down because he's tired. And then
we got the four year old was still out. I
was watching her play in the pool, and I was like,
which one's gonna murder me? Or it was too but
it was just like crazy looking at them with this toddler.
There's little family photos and stuff, and this thing grew

(46:20):
up and it didn't just like murder them. This was
very violent. This was very disturbing. Like who goes back
in and bleats beats their mom after you've already slit
her throat because you're a fraid. But he, like they said,
when he slid her throat, it was deep, like there
was no coming back from that. And he still beat
her with an extinguisher. So I guess that is true.

(46:41):
The FBI was right to and I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yes, he was angry.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
He went in bed, that did that to his mom
after she would.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Have already been blat out.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, possibly, Yeah, So this is just it was very
disturbing when you're looking at your children when they're little
and then looking at him and this he was little
and he did that to his parents and he wasn't.
They didn't really go on about I'm sure, well he
had the associated costs, but you know, it's just crazy
how someone will just go to this level over money.

(47:11):
You hear it all the time. They snap over someone
telling him no. Just like the one guy that we
covered where he was married to the lady who killed
herself and it was the step son that came back
and killed him because he about money. He wanted his
mom's part of the thing, and it's like, that's not
how that works. Bro. Yeah, anyway, it's just crazy. So

(47:32):
but that is our case for this week, and stud
do you have a y'all need Jesus?

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I do. It's a little bit long this week because
it's a y'all need Jesus. And then there's a follow
up to the y'all need Jesus. Oh god, Well, you
remember we did the one where the New Jersey teens
were found to be dumping a body and we didn't
have any follow up for but we didn't have any
follow up for months because we didn't know what happened.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Well, you did the follow up.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
I did the follow up finally, but now I have
the actual y'all need Jesus. Plus the follow up happened
a few days later after that.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Go on.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Then video shows boy age seven being kidnapped at gunpoint
as dad runs and hides.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Oh well, that's not good.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
No, not very good at all. This is coming to
us from The New York Post by Anthony Blair, published
July seventeenth, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
This is almost as bad. Did you hear about those
people up in there was like ten adults and two
children and the raft or the boat or something flipped
over and all the adults swim to safety and the
two children drowned because they didn't save them. Nobody stayed
to save the children.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Really.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Yeah, I think it happened up in Dallas area.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
That's terrible.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
So anyway, well that that kind of sucks.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yeah, it does suck.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
You threw me off off my game, you mess me up.
Chilling video shows a seven year old boy being kidnapped
at gunpoint as his father abandons him and runs to safety.
The footage obtained by WISN shows little Jamal White riding
his bike near his Milwaukee home. And what do we
learn from Wayne'sworld Alice Cooper and Wayne's World? Milwaukee has

(49:15):
actually pronounced Milwaukee and it's Algonquin for the great Land.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
I think we've all heard that one before from you
stoo have we? Yes?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Well, this is when a white jeep circles back and
blocks his family's dryway. Two people jump out of the
vehicle and grab the youngster as his dad, Jamal Senior,
sprints inside the house before coming back outside to slam
the trunk of his own car and frustration. Quote. We're
quoting the dad now. Hell yeah, Iran, he wrote on

(49:45):
Facebook as he was ripped for failing to stop and
help his seven year old son. Iran, I'm thinking they
trying to rob me, not take my damn baby, he wrote.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
It doesn't matter if they're trying to rob you, you
take the child with you. What is wrong with them?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (49:59):
My god.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Jamal was snatched at seven pm Friday, but an amber
alert wasn't issued until almost five hours later. He was
eventually found nearly twenty four hours later, out of house
seven miles from where he was taken, and after his
uncle allegedly opened fire at two people during the hunt.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Y'all slow, cause his uncle opened fire at two people
during the hunt to find the boy. Yes, I like
the uncle.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Okay, Well, we don't even know if he was shooting
at the right people.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Oh we don't. I'm just trying to think the best.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
We're quoting Jamal Senior again, y'all slow. We both alive
and my baby tried to get away like I taught him.
Who teaches their kid? I guess you teach your kid
to escape kidnappings?

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Well, yes, we're going to teach ours to escape kidnappings.
You're loud, you make a scene, because if they take
you to a second location, the autos surviving are low.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Well, he praised his son for surviving his kidnapping. God
had us the whole time. Obviously I did right by
my brain.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Thank God, God had you, because you certainly didn't.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
He did not many comments slam the dad's action. Your
son gonna beat your ass when he get older and
find out what you did. Buddy, I don't know what.
That's a little weird.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
That's all weird. He might be a little upset with you,
But I don't know about that. Bro.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
You ran in the house and slammed the door. A
second rote, I mean you did at least jog after
the car question mark. A third asked. Three people have
since been arrested. Well, there was also someone that commented,
they're like because this happened right after the guy jumped
four stories off the Disney ship to save his child. Like,
dude jumps off a ship to save his baby, and
you ran.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
In Now I still have questions about the Disney's ship situation.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Well, three people will have since been arrested, including the
missing boys. Twenty seven year old uncle jamal Ka White,
who was allegedly opening fire at a man and his
son during the search. I guess he just thought they
might have had something to do with it. He shot
at them when they drove past in a car. The
documents say he hid a tree and an abandoned house.
Didn't hurt anybody. The uncle blamed it on him being

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scared for his family. The complaint said. He faces two
charges of first degree recklessly endangering safety and dangerous weapon.
He appeared in court, bond set at twenty grand ordered
to have He was ordered to have no possession of
firearms or dangerous weapons.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
I guess you can't really get in trouble for not
helping your child who's about to be kidnapped. I don't
think there's any laws. I don't know if those one
people got those one people that there's someone should be
charged if they let those two children drown in all
swims in safety, because that's a you put them in
that situation.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
And then you abandon them, you neglect some kind of negligence,
I would think anyway. Two other men were arrested at
a twenty seven year old at the house where the
boy was snatched from outside and a twenty five year
old at the one He was eventually found in. Now
As I Told.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
You, Kara is a follow up on this one.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yes, new details revealed after three arrested for armed kidnapping
of seven year old Milwaukee boy. This is coming in
front to us from the CNN Wire ABC by Adam Rife.
Wisconsin man is facing kidnapping charges after police say he
snatched a seven year old boy from outside his father's house.
The ordeal was caught on camera. The original plan was

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to rob Jamal White's mother, according to suspect Corey Williams.
Williams was being arrested in charge for three felonies for
being the driver. A fourteen year old boy and a
thirty eight year old man were also arrested. Fourteen years old.
Williams claims Jamal's mother was a known drug dealer who
flaunted her money. Williams drove his girlfriend's jeep and the

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other two suspects brought guns, but when they did not
see Jamal's mother, they went to Jamal's father's house to
rob him instead. So Jamal Signior was right, they were
trying to rob him.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Oh, he was right.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Yes, surveillance show video shows the fourteen year old and
the thirty eight year old jump out of their car
with guns drawn. When Jamal's father ran inside and left
his son out there, they grabbed the boy and this
is on video from a neighbor's neighbor's cameras. The kidnappers

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sped off to William's house. The thirty eight year old
called Jamal's mother and demanded one hundred thousand and jewelry
in exchange for the boy. They were to meet at
a nearby park. This is where it gets side car.
Jamal Junior later told police he heard his mother say
she would come pick him up, but he teared up
in the interview when he said that she never showed up.

(54:45):
Oh God right. Williams told investigators the other two kidnappers
talked about hurting Jamal to show that they were serious,
but that never happened. Amber alert went out around midnight.
When the ambler alert out around midnight, the other two
left William's house because they didn't want to be a
part of this anymore. Jamal was safely recovered in an

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upstairs unit, and Williams was found and arrested. The fourteen
year old was later arrested at his house and a
black handgun was found under a couch cushion in the basement.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
So I guess they thought that since there was drug
money involved, I guess they thought that they wouldn't involve
the police. But they did. And then they're like, oh shit,
things just got real. They're doing an Amberlert. We weren't
actually going to hurt this kid or anything. We were
just going to try to do see if we get
some money out of someone. And now all of a sudden,
the police are involved. They're like, never mind, I don't
want to be part of this.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Nope, this is stupid. We got to get out of here. Well.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
I feel sorry for the little boy. I hope he
should just not be easy.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
He's got two shitty parents.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah, they need to find him a new new family
and a new family, all right, ste Well that was depressing.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
So well that's that's what y'all need. Jesus is about.
Somebody needs some Jesus over there and Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yes, the you know, you save your kid from kidnapping
and drownings, those are two really important things you should
be doing.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Save them from danger in general. Yes, yes, all.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Right, Well that is our case for the week. Check out.
Oh I was gonna say, I'm excited because you know
the other podcast in Louisiana, Let the Good Crimes roll.
They're supposed to be coming back. They're kind of like us.
You know, we took a little time off. They took
a lot time off.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
They got better sound quality.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
They do. We're still in this.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
They probably run a little tighter ship than we do.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, they were in this closet still. Yeah, we got
to do something people, because here we are seven years later.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
I think we just need a bigger house with rooms specifically.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
X two extra bedrooms.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Those have windows, and they're on the street.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
You can I know, every Timsone's like, oh yeah, you
can hear. Yeah, we could hear the course, which is
also why our children aren't in those rooms because I'm
not putting them street side a front facing window. I
just can't do it. So they're all they're just gonna
have to hold pile into one roomy. Yeah. So anyways,
they're coming back, supposed to be this week, I think,

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and then Patreon check it out. We're gonna do a
little shoot the poo here record that here today and
then Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and I guess we will see
you next time. By everyone, say bye Steve.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
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Speaker 1 (57:39):
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