151. [West Virginia] Kathy Goble

In April of 2010, 64 year old Kathy Goble was living her best life in Charleston, West Virginia until one day she went missing. There were very few clues left behind but as police looked into Kathy's life, they found she was hiding secrets. The case would go cold until one day a shocking discovery was found and the most unlikely suspect was identified.

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Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
All right, we are back this week and we are
going to West Virginia. We haven't been there in a
very long time. I don't think so. It's a small state,
I mean, is it. It does have those wild and
wonderful wides of West Virginia. They seem to have a
lot of crime all on.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Their own Boone County.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, this was not in Boone County anyways. Yes, we
are going to West Virginia. We do we have anything
to updates?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Do we?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I got mad at the provider and quit. That was
the thing this week.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
So we got to find a new people.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
We got to find a pediatrician to begin with, because
they weren't pediatricians. They had some shady billing practices going on,
and I got fed up with it.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
So little double dipping, yeah, a.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Little double dipping. So I got sick of their crap
and I we quit the provider. We called a provider
here because around here where we live, it's like a
medical wasteland. There's just and I know I'm being dramatic
about that. Okay, we have doctors in hospitals and things.
What I'm saying, yes, what I'm saying is a lot

(02:03):
of practices around here. There's not enough doctors that want
to live out here. So the doctors live in a
town they want to live in, and they have nurse
practitioners run the practice. I'm not saying there's anything wrong
with nurse practitioners, So don't come at me, because.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Most of the time this is a billing issue. This.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yes, we like the provider. She's not a doctor. They
call them providers because she's a nurse practitioner. But this
office has been doing some sketchy stuff with billing. I'm
not the only person that's had issues with it. I'm
in the mom's Facebook group and it's a common issue.
I'd already paid for one time that they messed up.
Now we're added again with them just adding extra stuff

(02:44):
onto a visit that I'm.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Not sure a wellness check. Yes, And they were like, hey,
we can build the insurance company double and then we
can triple. Actually we can tell the people we did something,
so we get to build them for a visit visit.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yes, So you know how you get your I have
three children. You know how you get your wellness visit
and it's usually covered. It's covered by insurance because it's preventative,
you know, yeah, no copay or anything, because it's their
typical you know, when they're babies, it's like two weeks,
one month, two month, three months, six months, blah blah
all the way up. And then now our kid, like
the one that the issue is with is the three

(03:20):
year old. So he went to his three year visit. Well,
he has a peanut allergy. So she had to call
on a referral to a allergies penut allergy. Yes, we're
testing him to see how allergic to peanuts he is.
If he's still allergic, so she had to call on
a referral. So they charged us the wellness visit for
one hundred and fifty dollars, which the insurance covered. Then
they turned around and charged us for a focused visit

(03:43):
because she had to call on the referral, and charged
the insurance another one hundred dollars and charged us forty dollars.
And then they charged us another ocular thing where they
didn't do anything to him that I mean, maybe looked
at his eyes, but they charged us an.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Ocular fee another forty.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Dollars, which the insurance I don't know how much they
charged in but they charged just forty dollars. So what
should have been a covered visit now was eighty dollars.
And I understand eighty dollars.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is there the three charges to the insurance company, yes,
two to us. Yes.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
For us, it was eighty dollars. For the insurance they
charged like four hundred dollars or something like.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
That, and then gave us two copeys.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yes, and gave us two copays to go with it.
And I had all my times of bringing children to
doctor's visits, I've never seen such a thing. So I
called them up to try to I'm like, oh, this
is a mistake, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
They're like, no, it a mistake they had, she.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Had to put in the referral. So therefore you have
to be charged a focused visit as opposed to just
a wellness visit because that's not covered in wellness. It's like,
what the fuck? I would never call in a separate
appointment like they were charging. It's like you brought him
in there on a separate instance where he was sick
or something, you know, and they had to do like
look at him like that's when you get you know,

(04:56):
you pay your cope because it's an extra visit. Anyways,
maybe there's someone out there in medical billings and be like,
you guys are so dumb. Yes, that's how it works.
But I've at our other pediatrician in Louisiana. That's not
how it was. It wasn't even at this one last year.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
This might be something new. I think I think something
happened because there's been a shift. One place bought the
other place or closed down and shifted all their employees
to this one. And now it's like getting on easy
Jet or front tear or something.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, we're paying per we're paying for oxygen.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Would you lack a water? Oxygen? Masks will be extrink
in the evenom of the emergency.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, so I don't know what happened, but even just
but last year though, they have problems with their whoever
does their insurance coding because they weren't. I had to
pay two hundred and fifty dollars for that test that
should have been covered. It was just a basic is
it FLU, is it COVID? Is it whatever? Like the
insurance pays for those things, yes, and they and I
called the insurance and they said, oh, they're billing it wrong.

(05:50):
The entrance like, we can't tell you how to code it,
but they're not coding this stuff properly. And so we
went back and forth and finally I just bit the
bullet and paid it. But I'm not going to keep
doing this where so I told them, thank you, We'll
be leaving your practice and finding someplace else. Problem being
is in this town because doctors are so few and
far between. To get to an office that has an
actual pediatrician, like a doctor pediatrician that works in the office,

(06:15):
you have to pay these yearly fees.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Now around this town two dollars.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, depending on how many kids you have, it can
be up to two hundred and forty dollars a year,
some of them a one hundred and fifty dollars a year.
If you have one kid, it's like one hundred dollars
a year. You're paying these fees and it's only at
the places that have actual like doctors, so it's a
it's a racket out here, okay, guys.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Or you could drive to love It.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
We could Plubbic which is an hour and away.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
So now you got gas money, so you just pay
the fee here or are the gas money to drive to
love It?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yes, we do have a hybrid, so I think. But
the time it would take to drive to Lubbock back
and forth, I don't know. It's some sketchy shit out here, guys.
We got to get out here. So yes, that's enough
of it.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
So our venmo is that's enough.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Of our nonsense for Oh well, that's the other thing.
We couldn't find a speech that he's the three year
olds in speech therapy because he's got a tongue tie,
and we couldn't find there the an in network provider.
So we pay out of pocket for all of this
and have to wait for the insurance to try to

(07:20):
reimburse some of it at a lower rate because there's
no there is an in network provider, but I believe
the waitlist are very long, so you have to kind
of there's there's very few speech therapists in this town,
so you have I think there's only two clinics, so
you got to just kind of get in if you
can get in. So we had to take I had
to pay the two hundred dollars evaluation fee. I was

(07:42):
at first. I was like, no, I'll look for a
place with it that's in a network or because they
don't even deal with insurance. No, because it's.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Too we got to get our bill from them, and
they don't even give the insurance company our bill.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
So in Louisiana he had to go for physical therapy.
He's just he's just a little guy. Yes, he's had
a hard time in Louisiana and he had to go
to physical therapy. But there was like tons of places
in Lafayette that process the insurance like normal. So we
just paid our copay every time we went out here.
It's like we don't have to fuck around with insurance
because we're the only people in town. So you guys

(08:15):
pay out a pocket and do with it yourself.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Or learn how to do it on the internet and
show it yourself at home.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yes, good luck with miss Rachel. So anyways, that's what
we're dealing with out here. So I just want to
move soon. Hopefully, hopefully the next year and a half
we can get out here. But all right, we spent
a lot of time talking about our medical.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Insurance issues.

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and then we have the situation in Tennessee where the
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I got them bolo out on the one dude, they
got the other guy, I caught him.

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There's he's still on the loose as of right now
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(11:20):
go ahead and get into this week's episode out of
West Virginia. All right, So for this case, I watch
swamp murders. I'm really liking Swamp.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Murders are pretty a couple going there.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, there's some crazy cases, but I just thought it
was so funny whenever the narrator opened this episode, he said,
mm hmmm, because it's in Charleston, West Virginia, not Charleston,
South Carolina. So he said, so the landscape of Charleston
features deep rooted natural beauty as well as industrial sludge.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Apparently there's a toxic river floating through, like going running
right through the middle of West Virginia from all these
industrial class One time we'll currently have I think, and
it just dumps into this river. I guess I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
All right. So.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Sheila Kathy Goebel nay Long was born December sixteenth, nineteen
forty seven in West Virginia. She would go on to
marry twice and have two sons, Jason and Paul her
second ariage Ariage. Her second marriage would end, but they
would remain close. In two thousand, Kathy began working at
Kelly's Men's shop in Charleston, West Virginia. Now, Kelly's was

(12:32):
the go to place in town if you needed a
good suit. If you were a businessman or go into
a wedding or a senator or something like that, you
went to Kelly's.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
No men's warehouse, huh No, you.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Got fitted for a suit, custom fitted well, Kathy loved
working at the men's shop, and she really just enjoyed
helping locals find a suit that fits them perfectly, and
she was kind of the go to one at the
store for it. She said, she just knew what looked
right on everybody that came in. In two thousand and eight,
she began dating a man by the name of Fred Ferrell,
and she's just living her best life living at this

(13:07):
or working at her the men's shop she loved and
everyone there, they said, was kind of like family. They'd
all worked there for decades, so she just was really
enjoying her life.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
On April twenty six, twenty ten, Kathy failed to report
for her shift at Kelly's Men's shop. The manager called
her a couple of times and just checking in because
this is very abnormal for Kathy to not show up
for work, not call nothing. She had worked there for
over a decade and always been reliable and on time.

(13:39):
Still unable to reach Kathy, the manager calls her oldest son, Jason,
to see if he knows where she's at. Jason was
trying to get a hold of her, so he headed
over to her house. He tries to call his mom
but she's not calling him back, so he calls. Kathy's boyfriend,
Fred tells Jason that the last time he heard from
Kathy was on Saturday. She had come hover to clean

(14:00):
his apartment and had left behind her medicine and her phone.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
That was nice of her to clean the apartment.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
I know, right for a boyfriend. I know she hadn't
even live there. Fred had not seen her because he
had been out of town, but he was planning to
see her whenever he got back. However, he was unable
to get hold of her because she had left her
phone at his apartment while she had been cleaning it.
Jason decides it's time to call the police because this

(14:26):
is just not like his mother.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well. Detectives arrive on the scene and begin asking Jason questions.
They initially don't see any signs of force entry or
anything amiss in the home. Jason tells police that the
last time that she was seen was when she left
work that Saturday, April twenty fourth. One thing that was
missing at the home was Kathy's car. They did not

(14:50):
know where it was located since her work was the
last place that she was seeing. Detectives head up to
the department store to speak to her manager and coworkers. Now,
when speaking to the manager, she said that everything was
normal that Saturday. Nothing strange happened. Kathy wasn't acting strange
or anything like that. It was just your normal, typical day.
She never had any issues with customers because they're like,

(15:12):
would someone get angrier because she didn't fit him in
that suit?

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Right?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know, like something going on? You know, she got
the wrong lapel, could happen the pocket square was off?
Like what could have happened?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Failed to give him the pre set of collars stays
that they were supposed to get.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Was that a thing?

Speaker 3 (15:30):
I don't know?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Okay, you went real specific there, so I just thought.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Maybe you knew you need some collars stays?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
All right, So they speak to Charles March, who has
worked at the store for thirty years as a shoe salesman.
He tells police that he walked He was the one
that walked Kathy to her car around five pm that
day when the store closed. Now, he did not notice
her acting different and she didn't mention any like I said,
strange activity that day. They were able to confirm that
Kathy did go home after work at some point because
they found the clothes that she was wearing that day

(15:59):
to work. They were found in her home. They believed
that she changed clothes and then headed to her boyfriend's
house to clean his apartment. Very nice of her, it was.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Police head over to the boyfriend's apartment and he tells
police that the last time he saw Kathy was about
two weeks ago because he had been on a fishing trip.
He tells police that when he arrived home on Sunday,
that's when he found her cell phone, spare car keys,
and her blood pressure meds on the counter. When they
asked him why he didn't find the suspicious or odd,

(16:29):
he said, it's because Kathy was forgetful and seems like
something that she would do.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Now. I thought about this because this was twenty ten
and Kathy was sixty two years old, and I'm thinking
about how my mom was at that age. They're not like,
it's not like the cell phones today, you know, especially
the older, older people and stuff like that, especially back
in twenty ten. I mean there's older people now that

(16:55):
would never forget their cell phone or something because they're
very attached to it because they're on the social media
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
But in twenty ten, you didn't have a social media.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, you didn't have it. It wasn't all this activity
on your phone. So it could easily especially if you're older,
and all you used it was to make phone calls
and send a text message.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah. Back in twenty ten, these these people probably didn't
have an iPhone with browsers and all that.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, so to leave your phone really wasn't big bill.
They weren't. They didn't need to be jug all the time.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Left her jitterbug there?

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Did they even have a jitterbug back then?

Speaker 3 (17:29):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
I don't know anyways, but I can see why today
it seems like, oh my god, they left their cell phone.
There's no way they would. You would like contact someone
and be like, oh my god, you left your cell phone.
They would have know immediately.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
But back then, no, I've left my back early on,
I left my cell phone behind a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, it just wasn't like it is today where you're constantly.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Min Nokia whatever with the well.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I had the motor motor, motor, motor, rotal razor.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Oh you don't forget her. That was that was That
was how my mine was pink. I had to sliver.
I like that one better than the razor.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, I had the pink razor and that was a
hot commodity when I got that. That flip phone, I
think I still have it. Probably I probably let the
kids play with it.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Getting back from our little d tour. Police are not
sure what to make of the boyfriend, because it is
odd that Kathy left these items at his apartment and
that now she's missing. Police look around the apartment and
they do notice that it is extremely tidy and very clean,
and nothing is out of order, but there are no
signs of any type of confrontation.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Well, but also, if let's be honest, if the boyfriend
did something, why would he just clean the entire apartment
in everything that make it look like she was never there,
and then leave her medication, her phone, and her keys.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Something like that and then say she came mind claimed it. Yeah,
I mean, like I didn't clean it, she claimed it. No.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
But I'm saying, why would you not cover up your
all your tracks if you have no trace that she
was there except for these three items she left? You
just throw them away?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yes, you take them down to the dump or someone with.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Where they got all the other stuff. Yeah, where all
the other stuff is of hers, Like, so, yeah, it
seems suspicious, but then actually it makes him not look
suspicious because you would have gotten rid of these things.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yes, they're not like keepsakes or momentos. I wouldn't think
of your your starting time as a serial killer.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
No, and leaving them on the counter and telling the
son that they were there. There they are, do you
remember where you rants to?

Speaker 1 (19:28):
No?

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Okay, but police, although all this stuff seems suspicious but
not suspicious, they're wondering, you know, if there was actually
a crime there that was possibly cleaned up.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
As their question they got to ask all the questions.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
You gotta do it. I mean, by percentage wise, it's.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Likely the partner the partner.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
As they questioned the boyfriend, they do notice that he
is a bit twitchy, and they said he had dodgy.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Out No, I said he had dodgy eyes. They said
he was maybe they said he had darty eyes, like
his eyes were darting around.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
While please are suspicious, they don't have any real reason
to hold him. When speaking to Jason the Sun, he
did say that there had been some jealousy on Fred's part.
He did not like how much time that Kathy spent
with her friends. She was very social and Fred was not.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
He just wanted to be home and like hang out
with Kathy and then fishing trips.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yes, now there's no evidence against him, so they let
him go and they continue to investigate this case.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Police question friends and neighbors, and no one had seen
her since Saturday at work. The neighbors also said that
they hadn't seen any activity around the house in the
last couple of days. Kathy was a sixty year old
to sixty two year old. What did I say, sixty
year old?

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I didn't know what you were trying to say.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
It was a sixty two year old woman. So you
have to look at the possibility that she might have
just left on her own accord and that she's going
to return. Maybe she forgot to tell somebody she was
going on a trip, you know. I don't know, but
that is an option.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
She had an excellent relationship with her children, especially her
son Jason, and he doesn't believe that his mom would
just leave without speaking to him. It just wasn't in
her nature. Other friends and family agreed that she is
not the type to just disappear like this on her own.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
So Kathy had a favorite child, well, he.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Was the one that decided to be in the show.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
So m police are looking into the boyfriend. As we said,
they get while they're looking into the boyfriend, they get
a call that Kathy's car is found abandon on the
side of the road on Highway sixty four, which is
about fifteen miles outside of Charleston. You know where that's at, right.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
K Yes, it's near Scary Creek Exit.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Scary Creek.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
This is not a made up thing. This is like,
what the fuck's going on in West Virginia Scary Creek Exit.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I mean, this is made to order right here. When
they arrive, when they arrive on this saying they noticed
that a white towel is hanging out of the driver's
side window. This usually indicates some sort of God, I
am just haven't had too much whiskey today. Yeah, a
white towel in the window usually indicates some sort of
car trouble and they're trying to show other cars they're

(22:18):
on the side of the road due.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
To that or like a police like a police pull over.
I would guess, I guess that's what that's for. I
think I've heard that before.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
I have never heard it.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
I feel like I've heard that before.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
It feels like something I should know for.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Like you know, so it's on a band card. They
just put the thing and then the police could drive
by and they say, oh, it's just they're having car
trouble and they'll be back to get it.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
It seems like something I need to be aware of
since our vehicle doesn't have a spare tire. Yes, and
we may be needing to do this at some point. Yes,
when we're left abandoned on the side of the.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, we're fucked. If we're lost on the side the road,
if we're in our van, because that means we have
three small children, there ain't no hoof in it anywhere. No,
we will be living in that van.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Police begin inspecting the vehicle and they find no blood
or signs of struggle inside the vehicle. They are also
looking for any signs that Kathy had been there, but
they can't find her purse. They did find a receipt
that was dated April twenty fourth at eight twelve pm,
which would indicate that she was still alive at that
point in time. The receipt was for kitchen type items,

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but they didn't see any in the vehicle, so they're
thinking she must have brought them to Fred's house. When
looking at the store receipt, they were able to pull
video surveillance and they did find that she was alone.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Is that Walmart and Walmart's always f video surveillance they
I mean, Walmart should be credited for solving quite a
few crimes.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
They should be. I mean, they got all those cameras
in the vesty build They'll catch you coming and going.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
They'll know when you can and they know they know
what's going on in their parking lots, in their buildings,
who's coming and going, what they're shopping for. They know
it all.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
You stealing what? But it shows that she left around
eight thirty pm that night. They processed the vehicle for
any signs that if anybody else had been in the vehicle,
but they didn't find any DNA or any hair fibers
that were not belonging to Kathy. They also looked at
the vehicle and it started up just fine, it had gas,

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So they're believing that it wasn't actually car trouble and
that her car was abandoned there.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, and it was just whoever abandoned it put the
towel in the window to not maybe to show passerbys like, hey,
just keep going. We like to throw everybody off to
get by some time.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
It is now some time, so that someone he wouldn't
nobody would stop an hour later and be like, hey,
there's an abandoned car. Yeah, the vehicle wasn't a wooded area,
so they searched all around the woods to see if
they could find any signs of Kathy, if she had
wandered off into the woods or anything crazy like that, or.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Been drug off babe. They were thinking. Initially they were like, okay,
what if she did pull over for some reason, you
know the cars starting now there's gas. But what if
there was another reason Someone approached her and then abducted
her into she.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Saw a toddler on the side of the road and
then was duct like that girl in Alabama.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yes, that was Georgia. Was it Alabama?

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Thought Alabama?

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, I remember that story about the girl that said
that she sold the toddler on the side of the road.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
So I grabbed all my snacks and then I followed him,
and then I was adducted.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, then she was. And then it turned out and
then she just showed up at the house like a
couple of days later and come to find out it
was all just made up. She made up the whole
thing for acade and then she got like charge and
everything like that. Yeah, that was I remember we shared
the story. We're like, help find this lady. She was
save a toddler.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Anyway, police were looking for Kathy there on the side
of the road in the woods. I couldn't find anything,
no drag marks, no footprints, nothing that went into Kate.
Kathy went into the woods on her own accord or
was taken there against her will.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
A police were able to pull phone records for Fred
and Kathy. Now, the phone records show that Fred was
away that Saturday night, so he would not have been
involved in Kathy's disappearance. They was pinging where yet wherever
he said he was actually there. Now, when looking at
Kathy's phone records, they found that she contacted two people
that evening. One was a friend and the other was

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her ex husband's.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Oh there's the ex husband.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yes. They go to speak to the ex husband and
he tells them that him and Kathy are close. Now
they had been divorced for twenty years, but he had
had a stroke and Kathy would come over and help
him when she could. He did tell police that Kathy
did come over that Saturday prior to going to the
store to help him out with a few tasks, because
she'd come over and make sure he had his medicine,

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helping with any bills he had to pay things like that.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah, he said he was he had short term memory
issues due to the stroke, so he would.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Forget things now. Her ex husband said that he was
home all weekend, and while they wouldn't be able to
confirm his out by, police didn't think just like looking
at him physically because he'd had the you know, the
damage for the injuries from the stroke, that he would
really be able to harm Kathy, overpower her and then

(27:11):
dispose of her in some way. Yeah, So they didn't
think it was. While they couldn't confirm his alibi, they
just didn't think that it was.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
They did speak to the friend that she spoke to
that night, and the friend said that she was speaking
to Kathy as she was headed to Fred's apartment and
cash Cashi Casha. Kathy said that she had to go,
and she said that what the friend said was interesting
to police because this was kind of like, Okay, someone

(27:41):
was with her. She said, we're headed into the apartment.
We are we So police now know that somebody was
with Kathy when she went into that apartment, and that
was most likely the last person to ever see her alive.
But the friend didn't She didn't say who it was.
She didn't hear anything in the background. All she has
is we're headed into the apartment. So that's when she

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assumed she was with somebody.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
As word got out in the community that Kathy was missing,
they organized a search parties and tried to get her
picture out.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
There the community. Still you miss the word community, I said.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
As word got out to the community that Kathy was missing,
they organized a search.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I didn't hear that, But okay, go on, you should
just do the script.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
If you wouldn't be playing on your phone.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I'm not playing on my phone. I'm reading the case
from my phone, are you. Yes, well, well you're playing
on your pad. So your iPad. We call them pads
because that's what the kids go for the kids, it's
actually an iPad. No, STU reads off his iPad and
I read off my phone, which is absolutely insane because
this just started the list like month, I would say,

(28:52):
But up until then we printed on like old people put.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Old people printing out in our map quest directions.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yes, we used to print two copies in the cans
and they have to shuffle the papers, papers round, front
and back, and then like Stu would be like, here
hear me, because I didn't want to. I didn't want
to like spend too much on paper, you know, like
waste paper, and so he'd be like, hey, handy, hand
me your other sheets so.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
I can, I can.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't have to flip it over everybody here. So yeah,
up until like a month ago, we were still reading
off paper, like we're freaking old people. Yeah, like pathy
leaving her phone and not caring.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
We're like old people that just discovered some new technology. Yeah,
it's it's been for twenty years.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
That's where we're at.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
We're professional podcasters people.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yes, we're a mom and pop organization.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
That's we're a mom and pop literally mom, he's pop.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Wow. Can we get back to this? Yes, the community
try to get her picture out there because she was
well known in the community. Karen and everybody loved her.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
You're trying to sell many times, it's a community.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yes, drink. Police were also looking into any reasons why
Kathy might want to just run away. Maybe they're her
partner had talked her into doing a podcast and she
was tired of doing it. She was like, I'm out.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Maybe she all of a sudden had three children under
four and just or four and under was just like,
what the fuck do we do?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
I don't know, good, we just they're great. We left them.
There were no signs of any financial troubles, family troubles,
or any other thing that would make them think that
she would want to run away from her life. She
seemed to have a very happy life as a matter
of fact, and a job that she loved, and while
some issues with her boyfriend occasionally, like the jealousy stuff,

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there was nothing really major. There was no domestic violence
or anything that they could determine that would be any
complications in her life. So she basically just had up and.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
He didn't seem possessive where she'd had to in a way,
I feel like she could just break up with them.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yes, I think he was just more annoying that she
was a.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Social butterfly and he wanted to spend more time with
her on her own yes.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
But as police continue to look into Kathy's life, they
did discover that she was having an affair. I'm crazy.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Nobody saw that one coming, did you. We didn't.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I did not either. Kathy was in a relationship with
Fred and the doctor was married, so they would meet
up on occasion when they could get away with it.
But they had just done a huge trip together. What
was I going to say, any kitty, Kitty, I guess yeah.
Kathy told her son and friends that she was going

(31:41):
to San Francisco to visit an old friend from high school. However,
she was actually going to San Francisco with the good doctor.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, so they were going like this was a trip,
you know, and she lied.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
All these romantic trip. They interviewed the doctor and he
tells him the last time he saw Kathy was Saturday
at lunchtime. They asked if he had an alibi for
that Saturday night and he says, yes, he was with
his wife and she can verify this, but please don't
let her know he's having an affairs.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
He's like, can you be discreet as to why you
need to know? No, sorry, sir, you're on swamp murders
now and your wife definitely knows.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
She's definitely gonna know. The wife was able to alibi
the doctor, so they ruled him out as a suspect.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
We do not have any update on whether the doctor
is still married. They didn't give us his name so well.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
He was an older gentleman too, so I don't know
if she just ran out the clock staying married to him,
or she's like, effitt, let's just make the last years
of this a divorce and I'm going to get half.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, he needed to make her happy because he was
older and she'd been with him all that time, and
he was a doctor. She could have just taken him
for half and been like peace out.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, I didn't know if she wanted upset her life
at that point in her life, in her golden years.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
We don't know. She gotta been twenty five, Stewart.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Know my own well, then she wasn't a title to
helf then if that was the new wife.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
If there was no prenup, this is true.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Finding out that Kathy had such a big secret, police
are now stouting to think the possibility that she had
run away on her own accord. With no new leads
or clues, they are to stand still with the case
in April.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
In April of twenty twelve, almost two years to the
date of Kathy's disappearance, police receive a surprising call. The
coal comes from Charles March's son. I remember Charles March
is the shoe salesman that worked at the store for
thirty years with Kesy.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
He was the one that walked her out to her car.
What a nice elder gentleman.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
So he said that he was out of his dad's
property helping him cleanp his yard after they had had
a bunch of rain, and he found a sink hole
and he kind of questioned his dad about walk. You know,
he's walking towards it, and the dad freaks out. Charles
freaks out. He's like, stay away from that and everything
that you don't need to be anywhere. Well, the son
just kept looking at it and was just really questioning

(34:01):
what is going on. So he goes out there and
there were two There were two things that either either
he started digging or one. One news article said that
a bone started like protroding. Yes, because it was all
that rain and everything, and so that's when he started
digging when he saw the bone. And then he finds

(34:22):
another bone, and then another bone. He's like, okay, it's
probably animal remains, let's not jump to com glass.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Well.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
As he keeps digging, he is horrified to find a
plastic bag, and inside that plastic bag he can see
like human hair coming, you know, like through the the
plastic well. He immediately calls police. He's like, fuck you, dad,
you're fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
I'm taking all your stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah. Police arrive on the scene and they're already you know,
they're like, this is probably Kathy Goebel. Now, as they
are digging up the body, they noticed that he had
wrapped the head in foil and plastic crap, and this
was supposedly to avoid dogs digging up her remains, So
they dig up everything else. They send it off for

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DNA testing, and they were able to confirm it was Kathy.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Police had to the.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Aren't you guys all shocked that Charles did it? Quite shocking.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
I mean, I'm still trying to come to grip so
that Kathy was saying two minutes once.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yes, Kathy's like affairs. This guy that was completely unsuspecting
at the shoet or at the men's shop, was I
mean just insane.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Police had to the shop to talk to Charles. They
want to bring him in support some more questions. They
do not want to alert him at this time, however,
of what they have discovered at his home. So Charles
starts answering their questions, saying that he doesn't know what
happened to Kathy. But he does finally trip up when
he says, the last time I saw her alive was

(35:59):
at the store. Now, this is another red flag for
police because no one has ever said that Kathy was
no longer alive.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, she's still missing at this point, they don't even know.
They haven't even come out and say this is a
recovery effort or anything like that. This is still just
where did Kathy go missing? Person?

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Now, why would you say the last time you saw
her alive? What makes you think that she is no
longer that way, mister March. This is when police confront
him with the evidence that they found at his home
and they ask him to tell them the truth. He
says that after work on that Saturday, Kathy asked him
to meet her at a lodge outside of Charleston. They

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then drove and dropped off Kathy's car on the side
of the road and she rode back with Charles. Charles
said that they then went back to his house, and
this is where she supposedly asked him to kill her.
Can you believe that?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I cannot believe that you cannot.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Charles says that she said she would pay him five
hundred dollars to do it. Five hundred dollars a wopping five.
I mean, he does give me some al Bundy vibes
working at the shoe store, so five hundred dollars might
have been a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yes, is true.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Charles says that Kathy asked him to tie her up
to the bed so that she can't change her mind,
and then she told him to strangle her. He said
he she kept saying do it, do it while he
was strangling her, which is if anyone knows while you're
being strangled, the one thing that you can do is
keep talking.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yes, as police were like this is one, they didn't
believe it anyways, But two, she can't keep telling you
to strangle her while you're strangling her if you're actually
strangling her.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
No. Even more disturbing, After he strangled her, he placed
a plastic bag over her head, supposedly to ensure that
she was in fact dead. He said the next day
he drug her body into the bathtub, took a saw
and cut her legs and her arms off, and then
he cut her head off.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
So my question is, STU, Okay, this is really this
is really disturbing that this person who I mean, we're
gonna learn later he doesn't really have a criminal history.
This is like a pretty much a one off situation
that you are sawing a human being a part and
you did it for five hundred dollars. Like I was

(38:19):
thinking about the effort that this takes, like to do this.
This is like that he would agree to this. This
is so weird. I mean, I know he did, I
know that's not what happened, but his story is so ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
It is. But I mean, we saw some our y'all
need Jesus back, the New Jersey guys that killed the girl.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Oh yeah, for four hundred dollars or something.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Well, they would split two hundred dollars because they you know,
they transferred as venmo or cash.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
This is true. This is true.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
So anyway, it's possible somebody could do something for five
hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
But he didn't. This is all made up he didn't
actually do this, and this is just just disturbing.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Think it's bullshit.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yes, I think it's Bullshit's do everybody knows it's bullshit.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Well, police said that it was very disturbing how he
described this without any emotion and even calling Kathy a carcass.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yes, he said he had to move the carcass out
to the out to bury it. I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Guess he's just trying to disconnect from the fact that
it was a human being in his own way. Well,
but I know, maybe he didn't really even care that
it was a human being. He thought it was a carcass.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
I mean, yeah, maybe because they were saying the strangling
is such like an intimate way to kill somebody because
you just have to stare at them the whole time,
Like there's no, it's not a quick thing.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Turn your head and close your eyes while you do it,
unless you really enjoyed it. Police searched his property and
found the saw that he used to dismember her. They
even found more bone fragments still left in the saw.
They also found the blanket that he used to wrap
her body up in.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
What I think is crazy, that is, if he had
just buried her deeper or the sun hadn't seen it
or whatever. He just had this evidence. Like they never
even he was not on their at all, Like he
did not have any strange behavior. No one at the
at the men's shop thought he was weird, Like there
was nothing like, hey, you need to look at Charles weird.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Get a search warrant for charles property or something. Man,
nothing going on there.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
He could have if it hadn't been that the bones
or whatever the sun had seen that he would have
gotten away with this completely and they would have never
known what happened to Kathy. It's just crazy that.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
He was that. Yeah, Charles was almost to the finish line,
as you will find out.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, but it's just crazy because he wasn't. It's very rare.
You don't see someone be like, hey, you know, I
know you don't have anything on Charles, but he's fucking weird,
so you should look into it.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Hey, you need to find some reason then get a
search warrant for that property.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
But no one, no one had anything to say. They
were all in shock when they found out about this.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Oh they all love Charles.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
So Charles was arrested for the mur murdery murder of
Kathy Goebel. Now, while waiting for sentencing, he did attempt
to kill himself in prison by jumping off the second
level of the jail. Now, he didn't kill himself, but
he did break both his ankles, so he had to
be brought in with a wheelchair to his court proceedings.
So he deserved that because that sounds painful. And he's

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a dumb ass, and he thought he was going to
kill himself jumping off the second like you see the prisons,
you know, like imagine the prisons and you see how
it's like tiered with the jail cells. That little jump
he thought he.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Was gonna especially if you want to do you gotta
go at least head if you even want a dumb as.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
He can't even kill himself, right, all right, So he's
being willed into the court room in his little wheelchair
and I lost my place. I'm sorry, So wait, I
skipped a paragraph. Okay, pretend I didn't say that, everybody,

(41:52):
Let's go back now, Charles will not admit to the
real reason why he did this. Please begin looking into
his path and found that he had a history of
stalking females, and they believed that Kathy was his latest obsession,
but it wasn't. He didn't ever do anything act on
these things. He just was had a history of I
don't know if there was I'm guessing there were some

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police records of him stalking females, but he never acted
upon anything.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
I guess nobody else knew that he was a stalker
because nobody ever pointed to him.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
No, he must have not done this to anybody at
work or in his immediate circle, like Kathy was the
first one. Police believed that Charles was the person that
with her at Fred's apartment when she was talking on
the phone to her friend. He somehow convinced her to go.
Then he must have somehow convinced her to go back
to his place because there wasn't a struggle. But they
were also friends, so she'd worked there for ten years

(42:42):
with them, she wouldn't have thought anything of it. They
believed that he propositioned her for sex and she declined,
and that's when he attacked her and murdered her.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, I'm just curious as to how he talked her
into going to the house.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Or well, they don't know because he just wouldn't tell
him anything like he wouldn't tell him. He's like, he
went to court with the thing that she told asked
him to kill her.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yeah, because I mean there's yeah, there's all these plot holes,
like if she.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
They don't know why the car ended up house, the.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Car ended up there, and how he got back to
the house without being seen, or if she parked it there,
or how it actually ended up there.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I mean, the only thing is what if, Okay, I'm
gonna play Devil's advocates him, what if she did ask
him to kill her and she went and parked her
car on the side of the road and he took.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Her back to the house.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Back to the house, they could never explain the whole
car situation, And I looked in that there was no
explanation for a lot of this because they don't They
just don't know what happened.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
It's just, yeah, there was no uber that showed up
in twenty ten that take him back or a cab
and be like, yeah, I remember picking him up on
the side of the road.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Because all I could think was possibly, what if she
was he was ats with her and she did have
some sort of car trouble, but it wasn't I don't
know is there a temporary car.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Trouble, temporary insanity?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I don't know, no, but I'm saying temporary car trouble
like your cars doesn't work for just temporary and then
it starts working again. Can it get overheated and cool
down on its own?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Okay, Well maybe it overheated and then it cooled down,
and by the time the police got there a couple
days later, it was ready to go. And maybe he
was following her, and he was following her from Fred's
house and to their to his house, and her car
broke down, and that's how she ended up in the
car with him too. Maybe he tampered with it so
it would break down. I don't know, because okay, yeah, anyways,

(44:43):
I don't know they could. They never had any explanation
about the car. He just took a lot of the
secrets to We'll find out the great with him either that.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Okay, hear me out.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
This is gonna be stupid. I can already tell no.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
This is probably how it happened.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
He called her said I'm having car trouble. She showed
up to help him out, and then he abducted her
and then drove her back to his place.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
But he was with her, but they believed he was
with her at Fred's apartment.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
They had two separate cars. They didn't drive to work together.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Oh oh, so he was at Fred's apartment and then
he said he had car trouble and he left.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
He called her on the cell phone.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
But he couldn't have called her on the cell phone
because she left her cell phone at Fred's apartment.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Wow, that's true, so true.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
So how did this happen? I don't know. I'm thinking
maybe her car overheated and he was following her back
from Fred's apartment and it was some fluke.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Thing, had something to disable her vehicle, and then he
repaired it after.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
I don't know what happened. It's rare, it's there's a
lot of questions here. All we know is that Charles
did try to kill Kathy. So he did try to
kill himself, like we said, he broke his ankles, and
he's willed into the court proceedings. Well, Charles would end
up taking a Kennedy plea, meaning he did not admit
to killing Kathy, but the state had too much evidence

(46:15):
against him for him to win. And this dude's like,
I thought that was called as I'm doing this, Stew's
laying over there going. I thought that was an Alfred plea,
and so right after I said, this is also known
as an Alfred plea, but in the state of West
Virginia it's a Kennedy plea. Now, Charles was sentenced to
life in prison in January twenty thirteen, but he died

(46:37):
in prison of cancer in December twenty fourteen, taking his
the motive of why he killed Kathy and all his
secrets to his grave. We'll never know. But poor Kathy,
I mean, she was living her best life. She was
sixty two and she was getting it from every such way,

(46:57):
going on trips to San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
She was just living it up, Yes she was, and
meeting all the men that came into the shop.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yes, I mean, who knows, she could have been seeing
some of them, just you know, really sewing some wild
oats in her older age. And fucking Charles. I find
that so disturbing that it's just some guy that she
worked with that had no indication that he would do this,
so like solid her into pieces. That's insane. That's another level.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah, it's a lottle ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Anyways, all right, Stu. Do you have a y'all need Jesus.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yes, But I'm going to go back to you mocking
me about this Alfred plaything. Okay, you remember when we
were talking about we were talking about somebody having the
ray gun.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Oh, shut up, Stewart.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
You want to tell her? Should I tell?

Speaker 2 (47:51):
I was telling Stu? I said, oh, I said, they
like to spend their money on like gadgets and stuff.
I said, we like to spend our money on trips.
I said, but they like gadgets and things like that.
And I said, remember whenever years ago, they were one
of the first ones who bought the rape. We were
talking about some people we know called the Reagan and
he's like, what's the Regan. I'm like the Regun. I'm like,

(48:11):
we have one, I said, the Reagan. I said, when
they first came out, they were so expensive, like a
thousand dollars and everything. And he's like the Reagan and
he's like, you mean.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
That fara gun.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
I thought it was the Reagan, Like, but it's a
farah gun. Yeah, it's the thing that like beats into
your muscle. And when they came out years ago, they
were super expensive, like a thousand dollars like crazy expensive.
Nowadays you can get one like we have one. I
bought stew for Christmas and it was like one hundred
and twenty bucks or something. But I thought it was
the Reagan, probably because it's like raging Cajun. So I

(48:46):
guess I just saw that. But it's Thearah gun. Yeah,
so that's why he's making fun of me about it.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yes, just because I jumped the gun on the Alford
play thing.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Well, you just don't let me finish. My thoughts to you,
just don't let me finish.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
There's a lot of thoughts I probably shouldn't let you finished,
Like hey, why don't we do a pot?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
No, hey, why don't we keep having children? Kitty and Kitty?
It was a rough I will say it was a rough.
Last night was rough. And I stepped on a tea
cup while holding the baby, and that was like my
final straw. STU had left to go get me my taco.
Bill and the children we were playing Pikaboo and stuff

(49:28):
like that, my son and then the baby, and then
my daughter was over there doing her stickers or whatever
at the table and coming to make bracelets on me.
So they're all just all over me, and at first
it was fine, but then all of a sudden, I'm
just like overwhelmed, like, okay, I need you guys to
get off of me. I need some space, like mama
po Yeah, they're all just on me. I'm getting like

(49:48):
bracelets fitted on me that are made out of paper
and stickers. I got the baby in the three year
old playing Pikaboo on my lap, about to knock over
my drink and everything, and then I got up, I
picked up the baby. I'm walking over there and I
stepped on a goddamn tea cup los my shit. I'm like, okay,

(50:09):
pick up everything in this house or.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I'm throwing it all the way sounded like mad.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
And then we're like, you guys are getting in the
shower and get away from me. So it's just been
intent because the baby's been kind of needy. And then
they they're all in the they don't want to eat phase,
like or even the baby who's our great eater, has
now taken a turn and has followed in the other's face.
She's turned on us in a two poot.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
A two eight two your little sons of.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Guns anyway, so they don't want to eat. So then
it's like we I just sit on the couch and
have to feed them bites as they run by, just
to get food in them. Anyway, So that's where we're at.
So it's been a it's been a taxing yes here lately.
So I'm ready. And then the baby learn how to
climb on the furniture was the other problem?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Oh yeah, that's the couch.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
She can crawl on the couch now, so you know,
that's just like running around trying to like fling herself
off of it and us trying to stop hers. So
you can't even leave the room for one second now
because she's.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Because you have a laundry basket.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yes, our whole couch is covered in laundry baskets, other toys,
things to block her from getting up there. So all right,
do you have your y'all need jeese? So I need
to kill more time.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
You didn't have to kill time to Okay, Well, I
just wanted to make the point about the the ray gun.
But you carried that on a lot longer than I
thought you would.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
What did I talk? What did I say?

Speaker 3 (51:31):
I don't know everything. Everybody knows everything about the arragun.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Okay, that's a little preview of Shoot the Poo with
Karen stew Right.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
There just a bunch of crap. This, uh what you
call it? The old y'all need Jesus was sent to
us by Britt came in in a message. A man
is accused of I guess there's no way around this
headline to tell you whether it is Florida or not Florida.

(52:03):
Fox thirteen, Tampa Bay, Florida. Man accused of having met
taking key West Conk tour train for birthday joy ride
on the fourth of July. Florida not Florida by Amari Krafft,
Published July tenth, twenty twenty five. A Florida man celebrated
his birthday and the fourth of July in jail after

(52:25):
police say he stole a sight seeing train. Jonathan Winslow,
How old do you think he is?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Jonathan Winslow, Well.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
How do you think our subject is? This week?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Forty seven fifty seven is accused of v was pretty
close driving off on a Conk tour train after he
asked an employee for a tour.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Winslow left his own car running behind the train depot
while he was driving the stolen train. According to officials.
According to the Key West Police Department, seven year old
Jonathan Winslow stole the Conck train a fit uh well,
conk train, the conk the conk like the Conckshell yeah,

(53:08):
they call it the conk train. He had He had
asked for a tour of the trolley and told the
employee that he used to work for the company years ago,
according to the restaurort. After deceiving the employee, police say,
Winslow unexpectedly got on the trolley that was parked inside
the building and he drove off and.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Proving that he did work there at one point because
he knew how to drive the train.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
I'm sure it's not that difficult. Employees tracked down the
trolley and told officers that Winslow had picked up two
random passengers downtown while he was driving the trolley, like
riding one of them trolley like we did in Charleston.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
And you're like, oh, there's the trolley, Like what is
the Why is the driver missing all his teeth?

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Hair looks so wild? Why why is their pupil so dilating?

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Employee doing myth?

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Why are he smoking all that? Employees were able to
get the vehicle back and it was not damaged. Winslow
was identified as the suspect and later found at the
southernmost Booie Oh down there in Key West. They got
that southern most place.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I say, give him back, give him a job.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
He did great.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
He got picked up passengers, everybody was saved, didn't damage
anything anyway.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
After being read his rights, Winslow told authorities that he
does not steal, but that he had actually borrowed the trolley.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
A fair point.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
He also told police that it was his birthday.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Also fair.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
His car was still running and rock music was playing
on the radio when police found it behind the cock
tour train depot. When questioned by law enforcement, Winslow spoke
rapidly and appeared excited. According to authorities, they found a
small glass smoking pipe that contained meta amphetamine and Winslow's

(54:58):
swimming trunks. After he was taken jail, he was charged
with burglary of an occupied structure, grand theft.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
His defense, it wasn't occupied until he picked up the passengers.
There you go, and they voluntarily got.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
On possession of a drug paraphernalia.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Well, that was a pretty good one, yes, it was.
I think.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I think the best part is that he picked up to.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yes, that's the funniest part. It wasn't just that he's
just over there driving his little train picking up people.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Well, that was one of the stories. And the other
one came to us from Okay, well we'll do it
next week's do now this is the same story. Oh,
this comes to us from Channel ten. And but I
they didn't have the thing where he was picking up
the the passa which is the best part, which is
the best part. But they did have some good stuff here.

(55:56):
But they said that he then got onto one of
the vehicles and Drawfley then leaving the employee confused, thinking
that Winslow may have had permission to take the train.
Winslow did not, said police, Yeah, there was just some
funny other stuff in there. Okay, well that was he
claimed it was a weed pipe. It was not a
weed pipe. So he claimed that he had a weed pipe.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
But they were like, no, not weed Okay, all right,
I think we're good, are you sure?

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Yes? All right, sixty thousand dollars bond, So let's help
him out, guys. Okay, get a go fund me gone
so we can get some more Florida Man stories out
of this guy.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, all right, well, if you have any recommendation on cases,
send him in to us. We covered one last week
that someone sent in and then rate review, subscribe, Patreon,
buy me a coffee, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and I think

(56:54):
that's it. So if you are a Patreon, you'll be
getting a Oh wait, this is coming on afterwards, so
never mind, disregard. We're recording this now, but the Shoot
the Poo will have already been out, so for for
that we did, we are going to update on. I
guess it doesn't matter because this comes out afterwards, so

(57:15):
it doesn't matter. We did have a if you're part
of Shoot the Pooh, we did have a update on
the Colorado Springs where we're gonna stay situation, so we'll
talk about that. But all right, well, I guess we
will see you next time. By everyone, say bye, Steve.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Don't you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shot live
mapping else since working. It's pretty sick. This word

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Cam