August 21, 2025 • 54 mins
Bethany Decker, a 21-year-old college student, disappeared in January 2011 from Ashburn, Virginia. Her disappearance remained a mystery for over a decade until police finally received a break in the case.
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Is that who sings it?
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Yes?
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Oh, yes, I've heard it.
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Anyways, Okay, great songs do we were just listening to.
I had the nineties country going. I don't think Stu
knows anything about that.
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It's nineties pop country. I guess, no, it's not Stuart
is there actually any real country coming out of the
nineties that you listened to, Yes, I didn't hear No.
Will and Nelson are Will and Jenny's Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Anyways, I was listening to nineties country, and I always
just I haven't listened to a lot of those songs,
like the one you know where it's.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Uh what you don't even remember? Wow?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
No, but when the song plays, I know every single word.
So it was like songs like let me just let
me just look real quick, okay. Just it was songs
like so there was the Dixie Chicks like Cowboy Take
Me Away. I remembered every single word to that. We
also have time marches on song of the South, every
(02:17):
single uh uh, the one where he's like, hey, pretty lady,
won't you give me a sign? I'll give everything you
make you mine own mine. I'll do your bidding and
beach backing call stop.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
We only got like ten.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Every single word I know, and I haven't listened to
songs and so long. But it's amazing what your brain
is allowing, what your what your brain is allowing to
take up space way back there.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
You know, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I forget things, but that you play one of these
nineties country songs and I'm it's like, I'm right, I'm
right back there. You know, eat my mayonnaise toast, it's
actually miracle whiptos. I still to this day eat miracle
whip toos. It's just toast with miracle whip. The other
big thing was, I remember our poor person breakfast was
(03:07):
the toast with the butter and the cinnamon sugar on top.
What used to make that was how they would make
like because we couldn't afford like cinnamon rolls and things
like that, so we'd have cinnamon toast.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Oh yeah, you mix the sugar and the cinnamon and
mix it up in the butter and you sprinkle it
on your toast.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah. Anyways, and then somebody came up with the idea
to make a sero and charge you a fortune for
it called cinnamon toast crunch.
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Well what came first.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Probably somebody making their poor man's cinnamon runs cinnamon.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know what's funny is we were making biscuits and
gravy the other day or whatever. Remember I made biscuits
and gravy from scratch. Not the biscuits.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I'm not that uh no, you aren't that motivated?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, not saying I haven't been in the past, but.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Well, well you do get motivated to make all kinds
of messes in the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I got it unmotivated clean it up though, and so
I just leave it first. Yes, anyways, I was thinking
about like they used to call it, you know, ship
on a shingle.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yes, because you didn't have the military biscuits.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You would just had the bread.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So piece of bread.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Anyways, all right, I don't know how we got.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Because you were talking ninety ship, and I don't know
what happened after that.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Because you were talking about train meet Virginia and then
that is that train?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I don't think so Okay, no, it's.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's what's his what's his face? It's not train, it's
what's his what's his face?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
That's probably people screaming.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Train. Okay, I was right.
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I have no clue. I was getting confused.
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With Dave Matthews band for some reason.
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Now you're going to get an email about that. Yes, okay,
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I saw somebody else put like a time stamp in
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to get past everything.
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They can either fast forward wow, normally I'm not doing
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further ado, we'll get into this week's episode. Out of Virginia,
(07:04):
all right, Bethany and Decker Nay, little John, Little John,
Little John. Yeah, do you know anything about little John? No,
Lil Wayne. There's got to be a rapper called little John.
Okay was born May thirteenth, nineteen eighty nine, in Fredericksburg, Virginia,
(07:26):
not frederick Burg, Texas. Bethany was described as friendly and ambitious,
Bethany would meet Emil Decker and they would marry. Now,
Emil was in the National Guard, which caused him to
be gone frequently, so after she became pregnant and had
their son, she was left alone with the baby a lot,
which put a strain on their marriage. She did not
like that military lifestyle whatsoever. You know, it's just part
(07:52):
of the when it's part of something you sign up for,
you know, But I think when.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
It people get into. She didn't think he'd be She
thought it was probably weekends, but.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
He did get like deployed Afghanistan and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So then you got to do your two weeks every year.
Then you might get a nine to day this that
or the other. Well, I mean some of the ladies
near the base, is the active duty military bases, they're like,
you had me at trycare, big boy, let's get married.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well, I've known, I've known. I knew someone who got
screwed over when he joined the military and then the
wife was back home with like the bank account and
then I left him, Yeah, and then left him and
took all the money and everything like that. So then
he came back and he was he was in military
during like, oh, I.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Knew that guy.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Because it's happened so many times.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yes, I knew plenty of guys. Jody. Jody comes slinking
around whenever the I call him Westpac widows and the
Navy whenever they.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I've heard the Westpac widow so many times from watching
this story, I was like, Stu, are you gonna say this?
And he's like, yeah, probably multiple probably multiple times. And Jody.
People don't understand who Jody is, Stu. If they're not familiar.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
He's just the amorphous guy that's at home banging your
girlfriend or wife.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Jody's the name they used for, just like the general
guy that's taken your wife or your girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
And if you're in the military then and your girlfriend
is at home cheating on you, that's old Susie Rotten
crotch back at home just cheating on you.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Okay, all right, that's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So it's Jody and Susie.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Okay. Well, Bethany was not prepared for this type of lifestyle.
She was young, you know, she was only I think
nineteen or twenty when she had her son and gets
married and all this stuff, like very young, and it
just was not working out, so she eventually did ask
a Meal for a divorce. Now, as a single mom,
(09:36):
Bethany was trying to get her life together. She started
taking a full load of classes apparently some other loads up.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Damn girl, why did I say that? Oh my god,
I hate what was.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
At George Mason University while working at a local restaurant. Now,
during this time, she did send From what I read,
they didn't cover it in the episode. So for this,
I watched an episode of On the Case with Paula's on, Yes, okay,
on the cost of Paula's on And anyways, I did
(10:07):
not they did not talk about this stuff. This was
stuff I looked up on the intranets. So during this time,
she sent her seventeenth month old to live with relatives.
And then so she's at school full time, she's working,
and her son is off with these being taken care
of by somebody else. Now, soon after separating from her husband,
(10:31):
Bethany began a friendship with a coworker. His name was
Ronald Roldane. Now, the friendship quickly turned into a relationship,
and they moved into an apartment together very soon after
starting to date. Meanwhile, Bethany's husband was still trying to
salvage the marriage. He had been in Afghanistan, but he
took a leave to come home and try to work
it out with her. In January of twenty eleven, now,
(10:53):
Bethany and Emil headed over to Bethany's grandparents' house to
have dinner. They're having their like Apparently it was her
favorite meal. It was homemade pizza that her grandparents would make,
so they went over. It was almost like she was
playing both sides of this. But I don understand is
where was the child? So the dad comes back like
(11:13):
I would be like, fuck you bitch, I'm going to
see my kid, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
At this point, well, he's trying to repair and so
that they can be a family.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I know, but I just feel like I feel like
in all of this, the child seemed to have gotten
forgotten in all of this. But anyways, because she wanted
to live with her.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Boyfriend, you can't pour from an empty cupcar, so he
had to fix the relationship first.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Okay, well, if you've been gone, you think you'd want
to see your child and go do like a family thing.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I'm sure he did the next day.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Anyway, so Bethany and Meal they head over, they have
this pizza dinner and they're trying to just reconnect and
talk things out. But during that time, Bethany received some
text on her phone and she storms out of the
home and that was the last time anyone from her
family saw her.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Well, weeks go by and Bethany's family continue to try
and reach out to her. However, they don't have any luck.
They're saying, this is unlike Bethany, but they doesn't seem
too concerned because nobody has filed a missing person's report
at this point. They did drive by her apartment to
see that her vehicle was outside of her apartment, and
(12:20):
so they thought maybe she was just trying to get
some space while she dealt with this difficult decision. Yeah,
so she's got this decision do I go with the
new boyfriend of two months or do I go with
the husband that I have a child with. But on
February nineteenth, twenty eleven, her family finally connect connected connected,
how about kind of contacted?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I will say, I just want to say, from everything
I read, the husband didn't seem it didn't seem like
anything was necessarily like he wasn't like a bad guy
or anything like that. No, you know, I don't know.
I guess she was just young and she I think
she just got pregnant, had a kid and got tied
down and it just was not.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And she wanted her husband home every night because she
was the sole provider for the baby. And I'm guessing
that's why she, well.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I don't know how long ago she dropped that baby
off with that family member and it's like, peace out,
I'm going to do this. We don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I don't know. But if he was constantly in and
out and she was doing all this by herself, I'm
guessing that it war on her.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Maybe I know, But you act like he was constantly
in and out because he was just deciding to voluntarily.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Leave, Like h he wasn't voluntaring to leave. But but
I mean, her personality might have been I need somebody
here all the time for the attention.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
The thing about it is that every time they do
one of these documentaries or these episodes, we can tell
there's some well no, but we can clearly tell there's
some flaws with this, with this victim, there are flaws,
but we're not allowed to victim blame or say anything.
I know this isn't victim blame, but we're not. It's
like we're not supposed allowed to say anything bad. It's
okay to be like, yeah, she kind of was like,
(13:51):
you know, ditched your kid or something. You know, like
this isn't good. It's like that at Abby's mom or
Libby's mom on the the Delphi thing, Yeah, the Delphi thing.
All of a sudden, she wasn't in her life, and
then all of a sudden she's the girl's murdered, and
all of a sudden she's on every news channel, you know,
putting her face out there and getting tattoos like where
(14:12):
were you the first fourteen years of the kid's life?
Like we need to feel like I feel like we
can still someone can be a victim of a horrible crime,
but they can also not be the you know, the
person who lights up the room and is the greatest
thing that ever never did anything wrong. But it's like
we're not allowed to even utter a word. There was
some problem, yes that maybe where is the child in
(14:34):
all of this? What is going on with all this?
So anyways, that's all I have to say about it.
I'm going to move on from it. Before are you
Before everybody gets mad at me, and I could be wrong,
but from what I understood is that the relatives and
she was living with that boyfriend. There's no way they
never once mentioned the child in all of this missing nobody.
Because if you're missing for several weeks and you have
(14:54):
a seventeen month old, someone's gonna notice me, like, where's
the child? So she the child was not living with her.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
No, she must have evidently gave it up for long
term care by these other people.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah. So that's all I'm going to say is that, yes,
we can feel bad for the victim obviously, but yeah,
because not everybody's perfect.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, because this is what twenty one days, three weeks
goes by before people starting.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Since you would ask about the first concern to be like,
where is the chiese.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
She comes by every day to see her child, but
we haven't seen her in a week. We're concerned. Yeah,
so they waited three.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Weeks, Yeah, because they weren't even she She wasn't even
expected to go see her visit her child in that time.
I'm guessing because she she wasn't very active in their
life anyways. Okay, well that's all we're going to speak
I just want to point that out. Yes, I don't
want to point it out because I'm tired of these
documents making everybody seem like they're perfect that get murdered.
It's like, not everybody's perfect that gets murdered. People have flaws,
(15:51):
I mean, trust me, Like, like, she did not light
up that room. I don't know why she got murdered.
She definitely didn't light up a room anyways.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Okay, can I continue?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, you can continue.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, yeah, So the family were concerned. They contacted police
when they hadn't heard from her since the end of January.
Here it is February nineteenth. The family told police about
a few other things that were concerning. Bethany did not
show up to see her husband off when he was
headed back to Afghanistan. They didn't know if that was
because they had decided not to get back together or
(16:27):
if something else had happened. They also received weird Facebook
messages from Bethany. They didn't sound like her, and these
messages were saying, I just want to be left alone,
I'm leaving Virginia some sort of weird things like that,
like she was peace out and.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I would I also just want and the family was
receiving these and they thought it didn't sound like her,
but they still weren't concerned. I also want to say,
there are many times where on a thing where somebody
goes missing, they said they would never leave their child.
This was never mentioned once. No on this like, she
would never shed gone, she would never leave her.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
She would never be late to pick him up from Daycaren, Yeah,
something was wrong, or.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
She would never miss her. So so I'm okay with like,
you need help, you're trying to get your life together.
A family member takes in your child. But they didn't
seem like she was an active participant in the child's
life because they never said she would never miss her
her weekly visits with her son.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You know, I thought we were done.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Okay, we're done. Now I'm just saying why I have
this reasoning behind why I feel this way. Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, So all these things, besides her seeing her child
and not being the parent that would go a week
without her child, all these things combined lead the family
to believe that something bad had happened to Bethany and
that she hadn't simply just left of her own accord.
But I guess for a while it was a thought
that mamby she just left.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
They said that it was natural for her, normal for
her not to speak to them for a few days
to I guess just probably several days. And if she
stormed out mad, then maybe they're like, Okay, she's done
this before, and she just won't talk to any of us,
and she goes and lives her life, and then she
comes back around whenever she's you know, over it or
probably needs something, is what I'm guessing about.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yes, somehowmade comfort piece.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yes, so please begin asking around seeing if they can
find out when the last time anyone saw or spoke
to Bethany. So they spoke to her work and they
said the last time they heard from Bethany was on
January twenty ninth, twenty eleven, when she called in for
her schedule but never showed up for her shift that evening,
which again tells.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Me somebody ought to be concerned.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, no, but I've worked in the restaurant industry. Someone
just like never showing up again, this pretty standard. I
mean they don't call her or not, like, well, it
depends on again. This to me questions her like how
flaky if she was flaky going to work or if
it was someone that never would have missed a shift
(18:49):
and that was like a good worker and that you.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Just would have gone by the look.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well the manager would have been like, we need to
call somebody or call them and see if something's not right.
But the work didn't even seem concerned that she just
stopped showing up, like, so, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
With that, but wow, we know it was just a
matter of time.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, so I don't know what was going on, But
they didn't seem to be concerned that she wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
So if they were, it was not put in the documentary.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No investigators obtained a search warrant and were well, they
would have at least caused if they were. They didn't
weren't concerned enough to reach out to her family, and
then her family say, you know, this is weird behavior.
So investigators they obtained a search warrant and were able
to enter Bethany's apartment, and when they walked in, they
found that everything had been moved out and had been
(19:36):
done so in a quick fashion. Now investigators were simply
or were wondering if they had simply decided meaning her
and the boyfriend to run away together and packed up
and left and told no one. But there was a
problem with that because Bethany's car was still located at
the apartment. But they could have taken you know, Ronald's car.
But with me, like, to me, someone that has limited
(19:59):
amount of money, they wouldn't leave a car that's worth money,
even if both of them had a car. So to me,
that was a right flag, Like she would never leave
her car because even they had two cars, they could
have sold the other one for cash if they were
trying to get out of town.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yes, and you're just if you got an auto draft,
your insurance is just getting pulled out of your back. Again.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Now, as they brought the car in for processing, they
did not find any signs of a struggle within the car. However,
they did find a lot of Bethany's personal items, including
three phones in a purse of hers, in the trunk. Now,
also based on the amount of dirt build up on
the vehicle, it appeared to have been sitting there for
several days or weeks without being moved. Now, this is
now indicating that Bethany did not leave on her own accord,
(20:42):
that someone had taken her against her will. Or something
else bad as happened to her. So they now have
two prime suspects, and that would be the husband.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And the boyfriend, the two men in her life. Yes,
twenty eleven, who has three bones at this time?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, And they were like the I don't know. I'm
telling you they didn't. I think you could take a
deep dive into Bethany's life and there'd be a lot
going on.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
She had like two burner from yeah, because nobody said
why she had three phones.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, They just said that she had her main phone
that she they were checking and it was like one
of those like old like BlackBerry type things, and the
other two were a different type, but they mainly talked
about her one. She had one main phone that she
was like calling everyone that had activities. So I don't
know if the other two were just extras.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I don't Back in twenty eleven, phones were phone plans
were well, I.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Don't know if they I don't know if they were
on phone plans. They might have been paper in it
or whatever. Or also they could have just been her
old phones that she just didn't get rid of. Maybe
she liked to play snake on her or whatever with
the old Nokias.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Well, she liked to play snake. That's true.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Oh, we're gonna get in trouble for this episode probably.
I just want to say I'm not talking bad about
the victim. I'm just saying we need to paint a
whole picture of what Hugh humans are. They're not perfect,
they're flawed, they make mistakes. They she was young, you know,
(22:11):
I'm sure she would have grown out out of it
and everything that. But it's just like, I just it
drives me crazy when we just gloss over all these
other things, like explain to me where the child is. Like,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Why didn't she saying the child?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, explain it. Say at least say you know what
she struggled She wasn't anyway, Okay, I'm going to move on,
are you Yes, I'm actually moving on.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I feel like I feel like I need to explain
myself because everyodys be like, oh, they talk so mean
about the victim. It's like, well, maybe it's because I'm
a mother now and I just can't even imagine you
just up and leaving your child. But that's just.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, especially if I mean, it's not like a situation
where you would be like, I'm poor, I can't I
can't barely house myself. I gotta yeah, give this child.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, she had a nice apartment, Like it was a
pretty pretty nice apartment they were living in.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, it wasn't like she was living on the streets.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And well, because we also wanted to talk because remember
we were talking about she probably was getting all those
benefits of him in the military and being.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, he was getting the housing allowance, food allowance, Yes,
that she would get.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, so she was getting all that. And then since
they had a child and they were married, I'm sure
he was getting she would have gotten daycare provided all
that stuff because he was he went from he was
he was in Afghanistan, so apparently he got sent over
to do something.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
You know, whenever you get deployed put on that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So she's getting so she's working, going to school, and
she's getting I'm assuming his benefits are coming in. If
he's still trying to work things out with her, then
that means he didn't just go take everything away from
her and say you can't have my paycheck or anything.
That she's still getting all of those benefits.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, she's got a military dependent ID card, so she
can get on base any of the bases in that
area and go to the commiss area and go to
the exchange. Yeah, so getting all the all the perks.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Anyway, now that they had Bethany's cell phone, they were
able to confirm that she did call the restaurant at
two eight pm on January twenty ninth, just like the
restaurant said she was supposed to show up for six
pm shift, but she did not. They were also able
to confirm that there was no more activity on those
phones after that phone call. They also pulled her bank
records and found out that her debit card had regular
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activity on it up until that Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, so it was quite clear that that she fell out,
something happened that that afternoon. With the cell phone records,
they were able to confirm that. And again, there's no
way she's not going to use her bank card in
everything like that.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Not if it's something you're used to doing, you don't just.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well no, but also for money like that, she's not
just going to.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I mean, they didn't. They don't have any proof that
she just went and cleaned out her account and got
straight out o.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Her money, her account has still had money in it.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah. With the better understanding of the timeline leading up
to Bethany's disappearance, they bring in their two main suspects
question them. They start with Bethany's husband, Emil. I don't
know did they call him and make him come back
from Afghanistan?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They didn't really, they glossed over that. So I don't
know how that. Did they have Zoom back then? Yeah,
in twenty eleven, I mean they had you were able
they didn't have Zoom.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Well, I don't know if it was Zoom, but they
had pay Microsoft teams.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Okay, So they start by talking to Emil. He tells
police that the last time that he saw Bethany was
that evening that they had the pizza dinner, which would
have been the Friday before she went missing. He did
say that after she stormed out, he did follow her
and they met up at a gas station where he
helped her put some air in her tire. Now, this
is this does match up with what they found on
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her vehicle. One of the tires was flat, So he
seems to be completely It seems to things seem to
be falling in place with what he's saying, he admits
to arguing with her that night, wanting her to move
out of the apartment that she moved in with her boyfriend,
and that she needed to make this decision quickly because
he was leaving back to go to go back to
Afghanistan in seventy hours because he only had this short
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leave that he was granted. I guess to come home
and try to I don't know if they do. Do
they do that if you have.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Problems, well, sometimes you can get like a hardship thing
to go sort out some affairs. We had a guy
that had an issue with his wife when he was
in Japan and she was there was issues with the wife.
She was kind of dependent on other people to take
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care of her.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So when you're saying she needed people to take care
of her, she was mentally slow. She was slower, so
she but they had children.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And she that didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
So didn't she had children, Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Coming into it. And then whenever he deployed the Iwa
Kooney or whatever base over there in Japan he was
at I think it was Iwakuhony, she was unable to
take care of herself. I had to send a bunch
of marines over from the shop to go clean her house.
They pulled like fifteen bags of trash out of the house,
food wrappers and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Were the children.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I don't know the kid was. He didn't really bathe himself.
He was kind of a nasty purse.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Oh the guy in the Marine corps. Yes, Oh, okay,
let's move on this. This sounds like a terrible story.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
It was a terrible story. I mean I wasn't involved, well,
because they had it. I was deployed at the time,
and I heard about it after the fact. Thank god
I wasn't there because I wouldn't want to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Okay, Well, maybe because he had a child and stuff
that they allowed him to come over here and try
to What.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I'm saying is they did let him come back off
his deployment because of the hardship. Is where that story
would finally land if I would have finished it.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, So he got some sort of leaf for seventy
two hours and had to go back. So he says
that the last time he saw Bethany, Uh, that was
the last time that he saw Bethany, and that she
never came and saw him at the airport, which again
I guess he was expecting her maybe to do that
because I think she was kind of playing both sides
or still she'll still going back and forth on what
she should do. So her friends whenever she didn't he
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didn't go, she didn't go to the airport. She just
they all thought, oh, she's just made her decisions. She's done. So.
Investigators were unable to verify an alibi for a Meal,
but they had no other evidence pointing to him doing
this except for being upset that obviously his wife is
now leaving him for another man.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And he didn't want the relationship to hand.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
No, he was not This was not his at all.
What he wanted. He wanted them to stay together and
you know, have their child and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
After the interview, emial investigators bring in Ronald for questioning.
During questioning, Ronald tells police that he does not know
what happened to Bethany, but the last time that he
saw her, she was moving out of the apartment. He
told police that her family had been pushing Bethany to
leave him and go back with a Meal. It all
came to a head at that dinner that night, and
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that's when Bethany came back to the apartment, told Ronald
she needed to move out so she could have some
space and time to think about what she would like
to do. While he was sad that they were breaking up,
he did not think it was permanent and that they
would be getting back together because she had told him
she wanted to leave a meal, but he felt it
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was just the family pressure causing this uncertainty at this time,
but eventually Ronald would get the girl. Ronald tells investigators
that the last time he saw her was that Saturday afternoon,
and when she left, she was in a good mood
and he believed he would be, like we said, seeing
her again very soon. They questioned him about the whole
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apartment being empty, and he said that after a few
days of not hearing from her, he started to feel
that maybe she was needing more time, so he went
ahead and moved out of the apartment as well. During
this interview, the police also discovered that Bethany was about
five months pregnant with Ronald's child, which caused even more
confusion for Bethany. Ronald said he was excited about the
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baby and this new life that they would be starting together.
I was learning this. Investigators were even more concerned that
Ronald didn't seem very upset about Bethany being missing since
she was carrying his unborn child. He just said that
he assumed she'd be back and he didn't know where
she could be, and that they didn't have any other
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issues besides what he had already spoken to police about. However,
when investigators spoke to people who knew the couple, they
said that Ronald was actually very possessive and he struggled
with alcohol use. Unfortunately, they still did not have enough
evidence to hold Ronald, so they had to let him
go about his merry way.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yes, after speaking to Ronald, they did speak to Milligan
to ask him about Bethany's pregnancy, and he told police
that he was aware that she was pregnant with Ronald's child,
but he was planning to work that out with her
so they could stay together and be a family. This
sounded all time to police because he knew about this
and was just seemed to be okay with it. But
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from what I understand, from what I understand is email
was just like a good guys from what a good
guy from what I could tell, like he just wanted
this family to work out, and he was willing to
put aside a lot of bullshit, a lot yes, So
Emil agreed to take a polygraph test and passed. Ronald, however,
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became agitated with all of the interviews, all the questions,
and he just kind of stopped speaking to police altogether.
Investigators did still have the Facebook messages which they believe
were sent by the person who took or harmed Bethany. However,
due to the technology back then, they were unable to
trace the IP address back to a specific computer.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
That'd be the Internet protocol number there Karen.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Okay, thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
You're welcome, all right.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
So investigators did continue to look into other possibilities, possibly
of stranger reduction, but there just wasn't any pointing to that. Again,
stranger abductions to are very few and far between. They
really felt like it came down to either the husband
or the boyfriend having done something to her.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
With no physical evidence blood or DNA, eyewitnesses to the case,
or eyewitnesses to the case, it went cold for many years.
Bethany's family continued to try to get her name out
there into the public by doing interviews and passing out flyers,
but nothing ever came of this. In twenty fourteen that
received a huge break in the case, investigators found out
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about a woman in Pinehurst, North Carolina, named Vicki Willoughby.
She had been taken an attack by her boyfriend. The
boyfriend had tried to strangle her, breaking bones in her neck.
She also had bruising and bite marks and scrapes on
her body. It was a very aggressive attack. And how
it led back to Bethany's case was that the boyfriend's
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name was Ronald Roldan. That's a hard name.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I don't know what they were thinking with that because
it's the same letters, just rearranged.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
What do you call that? Whenever you can move the I.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Don't remember sto Internet protocol.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Internet part Investigators from Virginia drive over to see Vicky
in the hospital and she tells police that whatever, whenever
she met Ronald, he was a very nice guy, very attentive.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But as the relationship as they all are at the beginning, ladies,
you got to watch them. They're sneaky and then all.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Of a sudden, I just want to go outside and
take care of the pool and do yard work, and.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I'm Okay, with that, you can leave me alone to
watch my hannahs Winson.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Mysteries, your cozy murders.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yes, I'm into I've moved it back into my Hallmark
movies and mysteries. Pase. So I was watching the hand.
I used to love to read those books by Joey
and Fluke, the Hannah s Winson Mysteries where it was
like based on like a recipe each book was it
is a mystery. They're cozy mysteries.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
They're cozy. Getting back to our case. As the relationship progressed,
evidently Ronald became more and more possessive and she finally
decided to leave him, and that's when Ronald snapped and
attacked her.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well, I heard another They summarized it a lot in
the episode, but what I read online is she actually
left him and moved to another apartment and he followed
her to this other city in this new apartment.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
End that's when he attacked her. Yes, so it wasn't like, hey,
I'm leaving you. And then the attack he made a
selling he premeditated. Yes attack.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Then it was worse than what.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
The series led on to the documentaries. Yes, Vicki tells
police that after he attacked her, she was able to
reach for a small gun in her couch cushion that
she actually had stashed there, and she shot him twice
in the stomach. However, these were not life threatening injuries,
and he was able to grab the gun from her.
He was able to shoot her multiple times, including once
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in the head, and then he told her I made
one girlfriend disappear, I can make another one disappear. When
Ronald left the room to make a phone call, how
do you just like attempted murder somebody and you're like, oh, hey,
I got to take this call.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Well, I want to know who he was calling. Was
it somebody to come help?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I don't know. She was able to escape the home
at the time. Thankfully, Vicky was able to survive her
attack and let police know what happened to her. She
did lose one of her eyes due to the attack.
Now here's the thing. She probably had a little twenty two.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
They showed a picture, or they showed in the reenactment.
It looked like a really small little gun.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yes, get a thirty eight a nine milimes.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Or so with the bullets that explode.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Well, I mean you can get the critical duty rounds. Yes,
that'll punch a hole, a little hole going in, huge
hole coming out the back. But if you're going to
try and protect yourself with a twenty two, I mean
that's only good for squirrels and birds if they're attacking you.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
All right, Investigators, that stew's the more you know, the
more you grow.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
The more you know, the less you get your gun
taken away and shot with your own gun.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Okay, well, let's not try to make her. She did,
she tried to.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I get it. I'm just saying for future reference, anybody
a gun is not always uh a gun. Sometime sometimes
it's just a little pupil.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
But you hear about the ones getting shot with twenty
twos and surviving all the time, Like people take him
to try to murder people like intentionally. It's like that
was the wrong gun to try this.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Well, that's cruel. That's just cruel. Somebody out to get
extra years for trying to kill somebody with a twenty two.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
All right, So investigators now know that Ronald was the
one to cause Bethany's disappearance, like obviously he's a terrible
human being, but they still at this point, at this point,
did not have a body, and they still lacked any
physical evidence to tie him to the murder. The only
good thing was Ronald is now going to be put
away for a while due to this attack on VICKI,
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so they have some time to try to uncover evidence
to tie him to Bethany's disappearance. Now he's going to
be put away for a while, but not that long.
I was gonna say, I was distracted when you were
talking about how they were interviewing Ronald, and.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yes, and I was watching you raise your phone the
whole time. You're TikTok on over there or something.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
No, I was looking up information. There is a dateline
episode I guess about this. So, so I don't know
if they have any more insight into the dynamics. I
think I think what they said was the child was
living with the mother, the mom, Bethany's mom anyways, what
and then they were they were saying that Emil was
a really good dad and the son now lives with
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the dad, like, yes, he came back and.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
He yeah, we got that from this episode.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah. What I was gonna say is it was so
I think the police really did a disservice because the
whole thing about Ronald moving out of that apartment was weird,
was a sign of something out of there? Well, I
mean just that's a weird thing to do when you
have a pregnant And there's also controversy as to whether
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that baby was Ronald's or Emil's that oh, because we're
that she's pregnant with currently.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I don't know, because I don't know when he deployed.
If he deployed six months previous to this and she's
five months.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Pay Some say it's the some say it's what could
have been his, and then some say it could have
been Ronald's. But I think it was more Ronald's likely
based on well, based on the timing and everything like that.
Originally when they put it on the news, I think
they said it was the meal guy. But then they
kind of had to like and.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
They did the math and looked at the calendar. Yeah, nope.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Anyway, so we are where where was I? So, like
I said, he's going to be put away, but we'll
talk about a minute. He didn't get put away for
that long. Now, with the progression of technology, they try
those Facebook messages again to see if they can find
the IP address or where they came from and this
time they were successful. They were able to tie them
to a laptop that was found at Ronald's mother's home,
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and I guess at the time they must have wenten.
They said that they had the laptop, so I'm guessing
they were.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
It was in evidence the whole time.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, I'm guessing they Yeah, because.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Some have laptop o ale and you would think would
get tossed in the garbage can at some point.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
So I think at some point they did must have
had sir to warrants to go get some of these
items from where Ronald was living, because I don't know
if he moved back in with his mother afterwards or
what happened. Now in twenty twenty, after just after serving
just six years for the attempted murder.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Of VICKI well, it sounds like first degree attempted murder. Yes,
that's because he took a plea deal on that one.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yes, he took a plea deal, so he only got
he got six to eight years and somehow got out
at six. He was actually scheduled to be deported back
to Bolivia because he was from Bolivia. However, the Lowden
County Sheriff's Department brought four charges for Bethany's disappearance and
brought him back to Virginia. After getting him to Virginia,
they then upgraded the charges to murder. However, they still
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did not have a body. Oh, I realized I was
supposed to stop reading, you were supposed to start.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Probably yes, And this time Ronald saw that there was
no way out of this. He saw the handwriting on
the wall. He was either going to be deported or
found guilty. So he decided to take a plead well, and.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
It seemed to work out last time for him. He
was only in jail for six years.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
For God's sake, I mean, it's ridiculous for attempted first
degree murder. Under this plea deal, he would agree to
second degree murder charges, which come with a forty year
maximum sentence. However, under this plea deal, he would only
have to serve twelve and a half years, and after
that we assume he would then be deported back to Beliza.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
So I'm assuming he's still on the list to be deported.
If he was going to be deported previously, I would
hope that they worked that out in his part of
the plea deals. You have to get the fuck out
of here. Okay, we don't want.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
You can't be run around killing people.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Not in the US at least, I mean, that's olivious.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah. Part of this plea agreement is that he has
to come clean and explain what happened to Bethany, which.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Is exactly throws in the face of what they Everyone
was like, Oh, they never make the in the Brian
Coburger case, for they never make them say are required
to say what they did? Or that's never part of
the plea deal? Apparently it is, apparently, but it is.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
But as we find out and this one, sometimes whenever they're.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
They just lie and say what they want, to.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Make shit up and try and make themselves look not
too bad.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
So Ronald tells authorities that Bethany and him had an
argument that day about her taking another shift at work.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yes, that was it. Yes, thank god, I want to
watch TV with you tonight. You can't go to work,
so I'm just gonna so we're gonna argue.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yes, they got into a fight, and he says that
he pushed her and her head struck the windowsill and
she fell to the ground. Now, when he went to
go check on her, she was not moving and she
was not breathing.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yes, he said he stuck his fingers under her nose.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yes, that's how he checked for a pulse or whatever,
was sticking his fingers under her nose. I mean, at
least get a mirror and see if there's some.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Some Yes, or maybe Ronald was just bullshitting.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yes, I do more than that whenever I'm trying to
check and make sure the children are alive randomly in
do I do I check if you're alive anymore?
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Well? He yelled at me the other day that you
thought I was dead.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Oh, yeah I did. I don't check if you're breathing, though,
I just scream at you, what the fuck's wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Not while I'm sleeping? And you say you check my
pulse every now and then, while I no, I don't.
You don't anymore, No if I'm breathing or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Okay, Well there was no question about that because you
used to snore so bad. I used to try to
kill you by closing your nostrils. Wow, little did I know?
You had sleep at me and I really couldn't be
taking you out.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, you just let me go out and I eventually died.
High blood pressure or coronarya event or something.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
All right, so where where are we? Oh so he's
she's not breathing because he put his fingers under nose.
So instead of calling all this is bullshit. That's why
we're laughing through this whole story, this part of the story,
because this is not.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
What happened at all. Ronald's full of ship.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, so instead of calling on one, he wrapped her
body in a Christmas tree disposal bag that was given
to them by their apartment complex and threw in the
trash compactor, which is really disturbing.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, he just discarded her with a five month six
month old fetus at this time.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, this is like he's that part. I'm pretty sure
he did. But he did not. He did not just
push her and and she just would because they said
there was no blood evidence or anything at the scene,
what had been cleaned up. He probably did the same
thing he did to Vicky. He was trying to choke
her to death. He probably strangled Bethany and then disposed
of her body.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
She either said I'm confused, I don't know what I
want to do, or she was like, I'm going to
get back together with my my husband, and that's what
we're going to do, and then he got angry and
then he he went and he choked her, smashed her
head or something.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well, no, they're saying that they didn't have any blood evidence,
so I think she he probably did what he did
with VICKI or whatever. But what I understand is they
didn't go check this. What I feel like there was
some some flaws the investigators.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Well, they just saw that there was nothing. They didn't
say that they they examined the apartment for anything.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Well, no, they searched the apartment, but it was empty
and they looked for well.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
I don't know if they went through there with a
black light looking for blood evidence or clean up of
blood over.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Well, if they didn't, then they really they really missed
the boat. They also, I don't know if they came
back and did it years later, because by the time
this all happened, this was twelve years later that they
got him. But also, why didn't they go check the
trash and the trash compactor. The trash compactor, even though
it had been three weeks, it is a compactor, so
it may not have been emptied yet.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I'm surprised nobody complained about the smell I guess if
it wasn't a bag though, or.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Maybe he didn't even dispose of her that way, it
could all be lies. The whole thing is that how
he did it his all.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
He seems like an idiot, so he would have had
to do something. I don't think he could have moved
a body without getting caught.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
He didn't seem like the No, it didn't seem very bright. Now,
investigators did not believe his story because.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Like I said, there was no we don't believe his story.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, nobody believes him anyways, but there's not really much
they can do. He took a plea deal. He's in
jail until this was twenty twenty three, So he's in
jail till twenty thirty five ish and then hopefully he
gets deported. That's all we can hope for. So he
was a terrible person is and he's gonna end up
killing somebody else. I mean, if there's anybody that should
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not be walking free ever again.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
It's it's this fucking clown here. Yes, so oh, Ronald
roll Rondall.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Ronald roll roll Dan roll down. And then what was
I gonna say?
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yes, the son he lives with his father now so
that's good.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Once they he was able to get out because he
was still like people looked at him sideways, like, oh yeah,
he under.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, he was under a cloud of suspicion his whole
all this whole time.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, they were like, yeah, did he do it? Did
he not do it? Should he have a kid? Should
he not?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah? Should he even have this child? Should it? I'm
sure he got looks all the time about it and
had to deal with it. But the I guess they
didn't really say if the family, her family thought he
did it, but I don't think they did, because they
said that they had to they wanted to keep a
relationship with the child. Obviously the mom did so well.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Even if they did suspect him of doing something, they
weren't gonna they were going to keep the relationship going.
So if they could have access to the ground.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, nobody ever came out and emphatically from her side.
Maybe they did in the Dateline episode, but in this one,
nobody was. The mom was interviewed a lot and she
never was like we knew he would never have done this,
and it's like nobody said that.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
No, Yeah, nobody said that. They were just like, oh yeah,
the mom was like, yeah, finally, after all this time,
he was relieved that he was no longer under under
any suspicion of doing this.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
All right, well that's our case this week. Don't come
at me please about how I was negative. It's not
that I was just negative about.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Why are you worried about it?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I don't know why, because I don't want to get
angry emails due okay, well angry comments.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I'm not only going to raise their comments.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I'm not saying she seemed like she seemed like a
nice girl that was trying to get her life together.
She was, she was going to school full time and everything.
I think she just got married really young. She had
this responsibility, this child that she was now taking care
of by herself, and it was just too much. The
only thing is like, is she I don't know what
her relationship was like staying in the child's life, like
going to visit her mom with the child. But I
(47:13):
don't know how far Fredericksburg is from fred or ricks
Fredericksburg from where were they at? I forgot what the
town Louden loud No, that's Louden County.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Oh, I don't, Yeah, I don't recall.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Anyways, do you have your yeall need Jesus.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yes, I do. Came to us from miss Miss Allison
Skidmore coming to us. Let me see does it say?
It doesn't say the name of the town, so we'll
just go here. GAB News Kara Scott Harper, reporting July sixteenth,
(47:56):
twenty twenty five report singing chiildren's songs are not illegal.
A man called nine one one because his neighbor repeatedly
sang a children's song. A Georgetown County Sheriff's Office incident
report states it happened around five pm on July sixth
on Caraway Drive in the Pleasant Hill area. A sixty
(48:19):
seven year old man said his forty three year old
neighbor was outside singing Row Row Row your boat.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
His forty three year old neighbor, yes, he.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Was singing it out loud near their property line. Now
I apologize to everybody. It's going to have this earwig,
this little earworm in their head for the next twenty
four hours of row row your boat gently down the stream.
The complaint said that they had recently had a harassment
charge and restraining order against the neighbor, so the forty
(48:53):
year old is forty three year old, is Evan dently
doing some weird shit over there, or maybe the sixty
seven year old has just got a bug up his
ass and they filed a complaint against the neighbor. He
also said that the singing started at around five pm.
The deputy asked the man if the neighbor ever stepped
foot on his property or anything other than singing out loud.
(49:14):
The man said no. The deputy told the man singing
out loud on your own property during the early evening
hours was not against the law. So Kara, Yes, if
you want to go outside and sing a row row
your boat in the early evening hours, you can do it.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Okay, that's good.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
I mean, as far as I know in Midland, it's
not a crime either.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Well, I've been singing Taylor Swift, you know, at the
top of my lungs, and.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, I know it's in the pool. Sounds like somebody's
making a cat got Tennis Rackett around here?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Are you talking about me or Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Singing tomato tomato?
Speaker 2 (49:47):
We didn't even talk about Taylor Swift's new albums.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
However, since there is a history of harassment of Kara,
harassing me. The deputy agreed to document the incident. I
advised the complaintant that I would patrol. I would put
a patrol watch for their property for the next couple
of weeks. The report stays, So we have resources, police
resources going to a property to make sure somebody is
(50:13):
not harassing the neighbor with children's tunes.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Well, he shouldn't be singing row row your boat. Why not,
because that's creepy.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
You think he was actually just trying to annoy his neighbor.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Maybe, yes, Why else would you have grown an ass
adult sing rorow.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Row your boat out there at the property line five pm? Yes,
I mean if somebody was doing that here at our house,
I wouldn't know because I'm inside.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
And if they were doing it while I was outside,
I would just turn up the radio some more so
that I didn't have to hear it.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
This is true. But we haven't annoyed our neighbors enough
for them to want to intentionally do this. Test. No,
I don't want to agitate anybody that knows where I live.
I try hard about that, except for that one guy
that parked behind me or driveway that one time.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yes, you wanted to go out there and get in
an argument with a drunk guy who had a breathalyzer
in his jeep and he couldn't start his jeep to leave.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yeah, we should have called the police on him, but
then he would have known where we lived.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Yes, he would have known who called the police.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Okay, So I was just reading a few things, and
I also found out from this case. Apparently this changes
things a little bit too. Bethany and the husband went
to on a vacation to Hawaii, nice leading up to
the day the day that they had the big that
she got up at the family dinner and left and
that was the last time he saw her. So he
takes her to Hawaii and then she stills like whatever,
(51:44):
Like they go to Hawaii and they're still having problems
when they come back. So anyways, that might open up
reason more like why the boyfriend was gonna so.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
He took his five month old pregnant wife to Hawaii
to try and rekindle the relationship.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yes, but I don't know whose baby it was. It's
all very convolution it is it is. So I don't know,
how does that change the story. I just was. I
just found that out.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
You think that's why Ronald was upset that she just
bailed and went to Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah. I think he snapped on her and me, like,
she went to Hawaii without me and this is my
baby and he.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
Should have told me. I would have got a ticket.
It would have been all three of us together. Whatever
they call that plural arrangement.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yes, you're no, it's called it's not plural. It's called
uh polyamory, Okay, I don't know. It's different than polygamy.
Polygamy is like a person, usually a man, married to
multiple wives, but the wives don't have they don't all
have relationships with each other. Polyamory is like when you
(52:46):
have a group that's living as like a as a
thrupple or something like that, and they're all like there's
a sharing.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Of yes, part of it monogamous hair, and then monogos
with the other guy.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I think it's like I think it's like they can
swap like the maybe there's two men and two women
and they'll like maybe this was a couple and that
was a couple, and then they might swap. Okay, okay,
I think this would be.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Like a throuple. Before we get comments, I don't, I
don't I don't need to know anything about.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
This, all right, this episode, you guys can hate us.
I guess. I guess I'm just a bitch, all right.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
So well, yeah, there is that.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
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bye stuck, Bye Stuck.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
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Speaker 3 (53:58):
This fou that I can to spa
When segregation was a law. One mysterious black club owner,
Charlie Fitzgerald had his own rules segregation in the day
immigration that night.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
It was like Steven in another world?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Was he a businessman, a criminal?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
A hero?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush it.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Charlie's Place from Atlas Obscura and visit Myrtle Beach. Listen
to Charlie's Place wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hey everyone, welcome to bless this mess in the True
Grim podcast. Don't care who is to sayst all right,
we're back this week and we are going to Oh god,
I've forgotten, Oh Virginia. It is Virginia because I was
thinking we've been to Virginia a lot here lately. West Virginia,
Regular Virginia, Virginia, Virginia.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
So meet Virginia.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Do you know that song? I've heard it by train?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Is that who sings it?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh, yes, I've heard it.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Anyways, Okay, great songs do we were just listening to.
I had the nineties country going. I don't think Stu
knows anything about that.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
It's nineties pop country. I guess, no, it's not Stuart
is there actually any real country coming out of the
nineties that you listened to, Yes, I didn't hear No.
Will and Nelson are Will and Jenny's Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Anyways, I was listening to nineties country, and I always
just I haven't listened to a lot of those songs,
like the one you know where it's.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Uh what you don't even remember? Wow?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
No, but when the song plays, I know every single word.
So it was like songs like let me just let
me just look real quick, okay. Just it was songs
like so there was the Dixie Chicks like Cowboy Take
Me Away. I remembered every single word to that. We
also have time marches on song of the South, every
(02:17):
single uh uh, the one where he's like, hey, pretty lady,
won't you give me a sign? I'll give everything you
make you mine own mine. I'll do your bidding and
beach backing call stop.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
We only got like ten.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Every single word I know, and I haven't listened to
songs and so long. But it's amazing what your brain
is allowing, what your what your brain is allowing to
take up space way back there.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
You know, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I forget things, but that you play one of these
nineties country songs and I'm it's like, I'm right, I'm
right back there. You know, eat my mayonnaise toast, it's
actually miracle whiptos. I still to this day eat miracle
whip toos. It's just toast with miracle whip. The other
big thing was, I remember our poor person breakfast was
(03:07):
the toast with the butter and the cinnamon sugar on top.
What used to make that was how they would make
like because we couldn't afford like cinnamon rolls and things
like that, so we'd have cinnamon toast.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Oh yeah, you mix the sugar and the cinnamon and
mix it up in the butter and you sprinkle it
on your toast.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah. Anyways, and then somebody came up with the idea
to make a sero and charge you a fortune for
it called cinnamon toast crunch.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well what came first.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Probably somebody making their poor man's cinnamon runs cinnamon.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know what's funny is we were making biscuits and
gravy the other day or whatever. Remember I made biscuits
and gravy from scratch. Not the biscuits.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I'm not that uh no, you aren't that motivated?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, not saying I haven't been in the past, but.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Well, well you do get motivated to make all kinds
of messes in the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I got it unmotivated clean it up though, and so
I just leave it first. Yes, anyways, I was thinking
about like they used to call it, you know, ship
on a shingle.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yes, because you didn't have the military biscuits.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You would just had the bread.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So piece of bread.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Anyways, all right, I don't know how we got.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Because you were talking ninety ship, and I don't know
what happened after that.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Because you were talking about train meet Virginia and then
that is that train?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I don't think so Okay, no, it's.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's what's his what's his face? It's not train, it's
what's his what's his face?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
That's probably people screaming.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Train. Okay, I was right.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I have no clue. I was getting confused.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
With Dave Matthews band for some reason.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Now you're going to get an email about that. Yes, okay,
how could you even think that was Dave?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
All right, well that's enough chit chat. This is what
the the other podcast is for the Patreon one is
the we put out like our chit chat. So you
guys who don't care about this stuff don't have to
listen to it, and then the people that do care
and listen to it.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I saw somebody else put like a time stamp in
there to fast forward to five minutes and seven seconds
to get past everything.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
No, I'm not doing that. They can go fuck them.
They can either fast forward wow, normally I'm not doing
all that, just so you can skip because you don't
want to hear me talk, just skip the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Then, well I wish I could.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Anyways, this is going to this is going to go
out first. But if we are going to be I
think we're gonna be talking about the Biggest Loser documentary
that came out on Netflix, because that was like flashbacks
for me. The Biggest Loser documentary. I remember these people.
I remember because I used to watch that when I
was like a young person's too. Probably didn't do much
(05:51):
for my diet culture anything like that, but I still
remember watching it. I remember that Joel and I remember
how terrible she was and all that stuff. But anyways,
all right, so let's go ahead. Oh so, speaking of
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I was looking for a while to see which ones were,
But just.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Do It's fine. Just focus on iTunes if you do it,
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Speaker 3 (06:42):
Podcast or whatever whatever I call it.
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We really appreciate everybody who has purchased them for us.
Thank you, thank you very much. And I guess without
further ado, we'll get into this week's episode. Out of Virginia,
(07:04):
all right, Bethany and Decker Nay, little John, Little John,
Little John. Yeah, do you know anything about little John? No,
Lil Wayne. There's got to be a rapper called little John.
Okay was born May thirteenth, nineteen eighty nine, in Fredericksburg, Virginia,
(07:26):
not frederick Burg, Texas. Bethany was described as friendly and ambitious,
Bethany would meet Emil Decker and they would marry. Now,
Emil was in the National Guard, which caused him to
be gone frequently, so after she became pregnant and had
their son, she was left alone with the baby a lot,
which put a strain on their marriage. She did not
like that military lifestyle whatsoever. You know, it's just part
(07:52):
of the when it's part of something you sign up for,
you know, But I think when.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
It people get into. She didn't think he'd be She
thought it was probably weekends, but.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
He did get like deployed Afghanistan and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So then you got to do your two weeks every year.
Then you might get a nine to day this that
or the other. Well, I mean some of the ladies
near the base, is the active duty military bases, they're like,
you had me at trycare, big boy, let's get married.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well, I've known, I've known. I knew someone who got
screwed over when he joined the military and then the
wife was back home with like the bank account and
then I left him, Yeah, and then left him and
took all the money and everything like that. So then
he came back and he was he was in military
during like, oh, I.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Knew that guy.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Because it's happened so many times.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yes, I knew plenty of guys. Jody. Jody comes slinking
around whenever the I call him Westpac widows and the
Navy whenever they.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I've heard the Westpac widow so many times from watching
this story, I was like, Stu, are you gonna say this?
And he's like, yeah, probably multiple probably multiple times. And Jody.
People don't understand who Jody is, Stu. If they're not familiar.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
He's just the amorphous guy that's at home banging your
girlfriend or wife.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Jody's the name they used for, just like the general
guy that's taken your wife or your girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
And if you're in the military then and your girlfriend
is at home cheating on you, that's old Susie Rotten
crotch back at home just cheating on you.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Okay, all right, that's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So it's Jody and Susie.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Okay. Well, Bethany was not prepared for this type of lifestyle.
She was young, you know, she was only I think
nineteen or twenty when she had her son and gets
married and all this stuff, like very young, and it
just was not working out, so she eventually did ask
a Meal for a divorce. Now, as a single mom,
(09:36):
Bethany was trying to get her life together. She started
taking a full load of classes apparently some other loads up.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Damn girl, why did I say that? Oh my god,
I hate what was.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
At George Mason University while working at a local restaurant. Now,
during this time, she did send From what I read,
they didn't cover it in the episode. So for this,
I watched an episode of On the Case with Paula's on, Yes, okay,
on the cost of Paula's on And anyways, I did
(10:07):
not they did not talk about this stuff. This was
stuff I looked up on the intranets. So during this time,
she sent her seventeenth month old to live with relatives.
And then so she's at school full time, she's working,
and her son is off with these being taken care
of by somebody else. Now, soon after separating from her husband,
(10:31):
Bethany began a friendship with a coworker. His name was
Ronald Roldane. Now, the friendship quickly turned into a relationship,
and they moved into an apartment together very soon after
starting to date. Meanwhile, Bethany's husband was still trying to
salvage the marriage. He had been in Afghanistan, but he
took a leave to come home and try to work
it out with her. In January of twenty eleven, now,
(10:53):
Bethany and Emil headed over to Bethany's grandparents' house to
have dinner. They're having their like Apparently it was her
favorite meal. It was homemade pizza that her grandparents would make,
so they went over. It was almost like she was
playing both sides of this. But I don understand is
where was the child? So the dad comes back like
(11:13):
I would be like, fuck you bitch, I'm going to
see my kid, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
At this point, well, he's trying to repair and so
that they can be a family.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I know, but I just feel like I feel like
in all of this, the child seemed to have gotten
forgotten in all of this. But anyways, because she wanted
to live with her.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Boyfriend, you can't pour from an empty cupcar, so he
had to fix the relationship first.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Okay, well, if you've been gone, you think you'd want
to see your child and go do like a family thing.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I'm sure he did the next day.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Anyway, so Bethany and Meal they head over, they have
this pizza dinner and they're trying to just reconnect and
talk things out. But during that time, Bethany received some
text on her phone and she storms out of the
home and that was the last time anyone from her
family saw her.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Well, weeks go by and Bethany's family continue to try
and reach out to her. However, they don't have any luck.
They're saying, this is unlike Bethany, but they doesn't seem
too concerned because nobody has filed a missing person's report
at this point. They did drive by her apartment to
see that her vehicle was outside of her apartment, and
(12:20):
so they thought maybe she was just trying to get
some space while she dealt with this difficult decision. Yeah,
so she's got this decision do I go with the
new boyfriend of two months or do I go with
the husband that I have a child with. But on
February nineteenth, twenty eleven, her family finally connect connected connected,
how about kind of contacted?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I will say, I just want to say, from everything
I read, the husband didn't seem it didn't seem like
anything was necessarily like he wasn't like a bad guy
or anything like that. No, you know, I don't know.
I guess she was just young and she I think
she just got pregnant, had a kid and got tied
down and it just was not.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And she wanted her husband home every night because she
was the sole provider for the baby. And I'm guessing
that's why she, well.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I don't know how long ago she dropped that baby
off with that family member and it's like, peace out,
I'm going to do this. We don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I don't know. But if he was constantly in and
out and she was doing all this by herself, I'm
guessing that it war on her.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Maybe I know, But you act like he was constantly
in and out because he was just deciding to voluntarily.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Leave, Like h he wasn't voluntaring to leave. But but
I mean, her personality might have been I need somebody
here all the time for the attention.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
The thing about it is that every time they do
one of these documentaries or these episodes, we can tell
there's some well no, but we can clearly tell there's
some flaws with this, with this victim, there are flaws,
but we're not allowed to victim blame or say anything.
I know this isn't victim blame, but we're not. It's
like we're not supposed allowed to say anything bad. It's
okay to be like, yeah, she kind of was like,
(13:51):
you know, ditched your kid or something. You know, like
this isn't good. It's like that at Abby's mom or
Libby's mom on the the Delphi thing, Yeah, the Delphi thing.
All of a sudden, she wasn't in her life, and
then all of a sudden she's the girl's murdered, and
all of a sudden she's on every news channel, you know,
putting her face out there and getting tattoos like where
(14:12):
were you the first fourteen years of the kid's life?
Like we need to feel like I feel like we
can still someone can be a victim of a horrible crime,
but they can also not be the you know, the
person who lights up the room and is the greatest
thing that ever never did anything wrong. But it's like
we're not allowed to even utter a word. There was
some problem, yes that maybe where is the child in
(14:34):
all of this? What is going on with all this?
So anyways, that's all I have to say about it.
I'm going to move on from it. Before are you
Before everybody gets mad at me, and I could be wrong,
but from what I understood is that the relatives and
she was living with that boyfriend. There's no way they
never once mentioned the child in all of this missing nobody.
Because if you're missing for several weeks and you have
(14:54):
a seventeen month old, someone's gonna notice me, like, where's
the child? So she the child was not living with her.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
No, she must have evidently gave it up for long
term care by these other people.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah. So that's all I'm going to say is that, yes,
we can feel bad for the victim obviously, but yeah,
because not everybody's perfect.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, because this is what twenty one days, three weeks
goes by before people starting.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Since you would ask about the first concern to be like,
where is the chiese.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
She comes by every day to see her child, but
we haven't seen her in a week. We're concerned. Yeah,
so they waited three.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Weeks, Yeah, because they weren't even she She wasn't even
expected to go see her visit her child in that time.
I'm guessing because she she wasn't very active in their
life anyways. Okay, well that's all we're going to speak
I just want to point that out. Yes, I don't
want to point it out because I'm tired of these
documents making everybody seem like they're perfect that get murdered.
It's like, not everybody's perfect that gets murdered. People have flaws,
(15:51):
I mean, trust me, Like, like, she did not light
up that room. I don't know why she got murdered.
She definitely didn't light up a room anyways.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Okay, can I continue?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, you can continue.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, yeah, So the family were concerned. They contacted police
when they hadn't heard from her since the end of January.
Here it is February nineteenth. The family told police about
a few other things that were concerning. Bethany did not
show up to see her husband off when he was
headed back to Afghanistan. They didn't know if that was
because they had decided not to get back together or
(16:27):
if something else had happened. They also received weird Facebook
messages from Bethany. They didn't sound like her, and these
messages were saying, I just want to be left alone,
I'm leaving Virginia some sort of weird things like that,
like she was peace out and.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I would I also just want and the family was
receiving these and they thought it didn't sound like her,
but they still weren't concerned. I also want to say,
there are many times where on a thing where somebody
goes missing, they said they would never leave their child.
This was never mentioned once. No on this like, she
would never shed gone, she would never leave her.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
She would never be late to pick him up from Daycaren, Yeah,
something was wrong, or.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
She would never miss her. So so I'm okay with like,
you need help, you're trying to get your life together.
A family member takes in your child. But they didn't
seem like she was an active participant in the child's
life because they never said she would never miss her
her weekly visits with her son.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You know, I thought we were done.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Okay, we're done. Now I'm just saying why I have
this reasoning behind why I feel this way. Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, So all these things, besides her seeing her child
and not being the parent that would go a week
without her child, all these things combined lead the family
to believe that something bad had happened to Bethany and
that she hadn't simply just left of her own accord.
But I guess for a while it was a thought
that mamby she just left.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
They said that it was natural for her, normal for
her not to speak to them for a few days
to I guess just probably several days. And if she
stormed out mad, then maybe they're like, Okay, she's done
this before, and she just won't talk to any of us,
and she goes and lives her life, and then she
comes back around whenever she's you know, over it or
probably needs something, is what I'm guessing about.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yes, somehowmade comfort piece.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yes, so please begin asking around seeing if they can
find out when the last time anyone saw or spoke
to Bethany. So they spoke to her work and they
said the last time they heard from Bethany was on
January twenty ninth, twenty eleven, when she called in for
her schedule but never showed up for her shift that evening,
which again tells.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Me somebody ought to be concerned.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, no, but I've worked in the restaurant industry. Someone
just like never showing up again, this pretty standard. I
mean they don't call her or not, like, well, it
depends on again. This to me questions her like how
flaky if she was flaky going to work or if
it was someone that never would have missed a shift
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and that was like a good worker and that you.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Just would have gone by the look.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well the manager would have been like, we need to
call somebody or call them and see if something's not right.
But the work didn't even seem concerned that she just
stopped showing up, like, so, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
With that, but wow, we know it was just a
matter of time.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, so I don't know what was going on, But
they didn't seem to be concerned that she wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
So if they were, it was not put in the documentary.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No investigators obtained a search warrant and were well, they
would have at least caused if they were. They didn't
weren't concerned enough to reach out to her family, and
then her family say, you know, this is weird behavior.
So investigators they obtained a search warrant and were able
to enter Bethany's apartment, and when they walked in, they
found that everything had been moved out and had been
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done so in a quick fashion. Now investigators were simply
or were wondering if they had simply decided meaning her
and the boyfriend to run away together and packed up
and left and told no one. But there was a
problem with that because Bethany's car was still located at
the apartment. But they could have taken you know, Ronald's car.
But with me, like, to me, someone that has limited
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amount of money, they wouldn't leave a car that's worth money,
even if both of them had a car. So to me,
that was a right flag, Like she would never leave
her car because even they had two cars, they could
have sold the other one for cash if they were
trying to get out of town.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yes, and you're just if you got an auto draft,
your insurance is just getting pulled out of your back. Again.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Now, as they brought the car in for processing, they
did not find any signs of a struggle within the car. However,
they did find a lot of Bethany's personal items, including
three phones in a purse of hers, in the trunk. Now,
also based on the amount of dirt build up on
the vehicle, it appeared to have been sitting there for
several days or weeks without being moved. Now, this is
now indicating that Bethany did not leave on her own accord,
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that someone had taken her against her will. Or something
else bad as happened to her. So they now have
two prime suspects, and that would be the husband.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And the boyfriend, the two men in her life. Yes,
twenty eleven, who has three bones at this time?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, And they were like the I don't know. I'm
telling you they didn't. I think you could take a
deep dive into Bethany's life and there'd be a lot
going on.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
She had like two burner from yeah, because nobody said
why she had three phones.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, They just said that she had her main phone
that she they were checking and it was like one
of those like old like BlackBerry type things, and the
other two were a different type, but they mainly talked
about her one. She had one main phone that she
was like calling everyone that had activities. So I don't
know if the other two were just extras.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I don't Back in twenty eleven, phones were phone plans
were well, I.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Don't know if they I don't know if they were
on phone plans. They might have been paper in it
or whatever. Or also they could have just been her
old phones that she just didn't get rid of. Maybe
she liked to play snake on her or whatever with
the old Nokias.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Well, she liked to play snake. That's true.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Oh, we're gonna get in trouble for this episode probably.
I just want to say I'm not talking bad about
the victim. I'm just saying we need to paint a
whole picture of what Hugh humans are. They're not perfect,
they're flawed, they make mistakes. They she was young, you know,
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I'm sure she would have grown out out of it
and everything that. But it's just like, I just it
drives me crazy when we just gloss over all these
other things, like explain to me where the child is. Like,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Why didn't she saying the child?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, explain it. Say at least say you know what
she struggled She wasn't anyway, Okay, I'm going to move on,
are you Yes, I'm actually moving on.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I feel like I feel like I need to explain
myself because everyodys be like, oh, they talk so mean
about the victim. It's like, well, maybe it's because I'm
a mother now and I just can't even imagine you
just up and leaving your child. But that's just.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, especially if I mean, it's not like a situation
where you would be like, I'm poor, I can't I
can't barely house myself. I gotta yeah, give this child.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, she had a nice apartment, Like it was a
pretty pretty nice apartment they were living in.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, it wasn't like she was living on the streets.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And well, because we also wanted to talk because remember
we were talking about she probably was getting all those
benefits of him in the military and being.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, he was getting the housing allowance, food allowance, Yes,
that she would get.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, so she was getting all that. And then since
they had a child and they were married, I'm sure
he was getting she would have gotten daycare provided all
that stuff because he was he went from he was
he was in Afghanistan, so apparently he got sent over
to do something.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
You know, whenever you get deployed put on that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So she's getting so she's working, going to school, and
she's getting I'm assuming his benefits are coming in. If
he's still trying to work things out with her, then
that means he didn't just go take everything away from
her and say you can't have my paycheck or anything.
That she's still getting all of those benefits.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, she's got a military dependent ID card, so she
can get on base any of the bases in that
area and go to the commiss area and go to
the exchange. Yeah, so getting all the all the perks.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Anyway, now that they had Bethany's cell phone, they were
able to confirm that she did call the restaurant at
two eight pm on January twenty ninth, just like the
restaurant said she was supposed to show up for six
pm shift, but she did not. They were also able
to confirm that there was no more activity on those
phones after that phone call. They also pulled her bank
records and found out that her debit card had regular
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activity on it up until that Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, so it was quite clear that that she fell out,
something happened that that afternoon. With the cell phone records,
they were able to confirm that. And again, there's no
way she's not going to use her bank card in
everything like that.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Not if it's something you're used to doing, you don't just.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well no, but also for money like that, she's not
just going to.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I mean, they didn't. They don't have any proof that
she just went and cleaned out her account and got
straight out o.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Her money, her account has still had money in it.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah. With the better understanding of the timeline leading up
to Bethany's disappearance, they bring in their two main suspects
question them. They start with Bethany's husband, Emil. I don't
know did they call him and make him come back
from Afghanistan?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
They didn't really, they glossed over that. So I don't
know how that. Did they have Zoom back then? Yeah,
in twenty eleven, I mean they had you were able
they didn't have Zoom.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Well, I don't know if it was Zoom, but they
had pay Microsoft teams.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Okay, So they start by talking to Emil. He tells
police that the last time that he saw Bethany was
that evening that they had the pizza dinner, which would
have been the Friday before she went missing. He did
say that after she stormed out, he did follow her
and they met up at a gas station where he
helped her put some air in her tire. Now, this
is this does match up with what they found on
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her vehicle. One of the tires was flat, So he
seems to be completely It seems to things seem to
be falling in place with what he's saying, he admits
to arguing with her that night, wanting her to move
out of the apartment that she moved in with her boyfriend,
and that she needed to make this decision quickly because
he was leaving back to go to go back to
Afghanistan in seventy hours because he only had this short
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leave that he was granted. I guess to come home
and try to I don't know if they do. Do
they do that if you have.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Problems, well, sometimes you can get like a hardship thing
to go sort out some affairs. We had a guy
that had an issue with his wife when he was
in Japan and she was there was issues with the wife.
She was kind of dependent on other people to take
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care of her.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So when you're saying she needed people to take care
of her, she was mentally slow. She was slower, so
she but they had children.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And she that didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
So didn't she had children, Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Coming into it. And then whenever he deployed the Iwa
Kooney or whatever base over there in Japan he was
at I think it was Iwakuhony, she was unable to
take care of herself. I had to send a bunch
of marines over from the shop to go clean her house.
They pulled like fifteen bags of trash out of the house,
food wrappers and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Were the children.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I don't know the kid was. He didn't really bathe himself.
He was kind of a nasty purse.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Oh the guy in the Marine corps. Yes, Oh, okay,
let's move on this. This sounds like a terrible story.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
It was a terrible story. I mean I wasn't involved, well,
because they had it. I was deployed at the time,
and I heard about it after the fact. Thank god
I wasn't there because I wouldn't want to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Okay, Well, maybe because he had a child and stuff
that they allowed him to come over here and try
to What.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I'm saying is they did let him come back off
his deployment because of the hardship. Is where that story
would finally land if I would have finished it.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, So he got some sort of leaf for seventy
two hours and had to go back. So he says
that the last time he saw Bethany, Uh, that was
the last time that he saw Bethany, and that she
never came and saw him at the airport, which again
I guess he was expecting her maybe to do that
because I think she was kind of playing both sides
or still she'll still going back and forth on what
she should do. So her friends whenever she didn't he
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didn't go, she didn't go to the airport. She just
they all thought, oh, she's just made her decisions. She's done. So.
Investigators were unable to verify an alibi for a Meal,
but they had no other evidence pointing to him doing
this except for being upset that obviously his wife is
now leaving him for another man.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And he didn't want the relationship to hand.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
No, he was not This was not his at all.
What he wanted. He wanted them to stay together and
you know, have their child and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
After the interview, emial investigators bring in Ronald for questioning.
During questioning, Ronald tells police that he does not know
what happened to Bethany, but the last time that he
saw her, she was moving out of the apartment. He
told police that her family had been pushing Bethany to
leave him and go back with a Meal. It all
came to a head at that dinner that night, and
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that's when Bethany came back to the apartment, told Ronald
she needed to move out so she could have some
space and time to think about what she would like
to do. While he was sad that they were breaking up,
he did not think it was permanent and that they
would be getting back together because she had told him
she wanted to leave a meal, but he felt it
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was just the family pressure causing this uncertainty at this time,
but eventually Ronald would get the girl. Ronald tells investigators
that the last time he saw her was that Saturday afternoon,
and when she left, she was in a good mood
and he believed he would be, like we said, seeing
her again very soon. They questioned him about the whole
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apartment being empty, and he said that after a few
days of not hearing from her, he started to feel
that maybe she was needing more time, so he went
ahead and moved out of the apartment as well. During
this interview, the police also discovered that Bethany was about
five months pregnant with Ronald's child, which caused even more
confusion for Bethany. Ronald said he was excited about the
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baby and this new life that they would be starting together.
I was learning this. Investigators were even more concerned that
Ronald didn't seem very upset about Bethany being missing since
she was carrying his unborn child. He just said that
he assumed she'd be back and he didn't know where
she could be, and that they didn't have any other
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issues besides what he had already spoken to police about. However,
when investigators spoke to people who knew the couple, they
said that Ronald was actually very possessive and he struggled
with alcohol use. Unfortunately, they still did not have enough
evidence to hold Ronald, so they had to let him
go about his merry way.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yes, after speaking to Ronald, they did speak to Milligan
to ask him about Bethany's pregnancy, and he told police
that he was aware that she was pregnant with Ronald's child,
but he was planning to work that out with her
so they could stay together and be a family. This
sounded all time to police because he knew about this
and was just seemed to be okay with it. But
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from what I understand, from what I understand is email
was just like a good guys from what a good
guy from what I could tell, like he just wanted
this family to work out, and he was willing to
put aside a lot of bullshit, a lot yes, So
Emil agreed to take a polygraph test and passed. Ronald, however,
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became agitated with all of the interviews, all the questions,
and he just kind of stopped speaking to police altogether.
Investigators did still have the Facebook messages which they believe
were sent by the person who took or harmed Bethany. However,
due to the technology back then, they were unable to
trace the IP address back to a specific computer.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
That'd be the Internet protocol number there Karen.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Okay, thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
You're welcome, all right.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
So investigators did continue to look into other possibilities, possibly
of stranger reduction, but there just wasn't any pointing to that. Again,
stranger abductions to are very few and far between. They
really felt like it came down to either the husband
or the boyfriend having done something to her.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
With no physical evidence blood or DNA, eyewitnesses to the case,
or eyewitnesses to the case, it went cold for many years.
Bethany's family continued to try to get her name out
there into the public by doing interviews and passing out flyers,
but nothing ever came of this. In twenty fourteen that
received a huge break in the case, investigators found out
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about a woman in Pinehurst, North Carolina, named Vicki Willoughby.
She had been taken an attack by her boyfriend. The
boyfriend had tried to strangle her, breaking bones in her neck.
She also had bruising and bite marks and scrapes on
her body. It was a very aggressive attack. And how
it led back to Bethany's case was that the boyfriend's
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name was Ronald Roldan. That's a hard name.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I don't know what they were thinking with that because
it's the same letters, just rearranged.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
What do you call that? Whenever you can move the I.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Don't remember sto Internet protocol.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Internet part Investigators from Virginia drive over to see Vicky
in the hospital and she tells police that whatever, whenever
she met Ronald, he was a very nice guy, very attentive.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But as the relationship as they all are at the beginning, ladies,
you got to watch them. They're sneaky and then all.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Of a sudden, I just want to go outside and
take care of the pool and do yard work, and.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I'm Okay, with that, you can leave me alone to
watch my hannahs Winson.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Mysteries, your cozy murders.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yes, I'm into I've moved it back into my Hallmark
movies and mysteries. Pase. So I was watching the hand.
I used to love to read those books by Joey
and Fluke, the Hannah s Winson Mysteries where it was
like based on like a recipe each book was it
is a mystery. They're cozy mysteries.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
They're cozy. Getting back to our case. As the relationship progressed,
evidently Ronald became more and more possessive and she finally
decided to leave him, and that's when Ronald snapped and
attacked her.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well, I heard another They summarized it a lot in
the episode, but what I read online is she actually
left him and moved to another apartment and he followed
her to this other city in this new apartment.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
End that's when he attacked her. Yes, so it wasn't like, hey,
I'm leaving you. And then the attack he made a
selling he premeditated. Yes attack.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Then it was worse than what.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
The series led on to the documentaries. Yes, Vicki tells
police that after he attacked her, she was able to
reach for a small gun in her couch cushion that
she actually had stashed there, and she shot him twice
in the stomach. However, these were not life threatening injuries,
and he was able to grab the gun from her.
He was able to shoot her multiple times, including once
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in the head, and then he told her I made
one girlfriend disappear, I can make another one disappear. When
Ronald left the room to make a phone call, how
do you just like attempted murder somebody and you're like, oh, hey,
I got to take this call.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Well, I want to know who he was calling. Was
it somebody to come help?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I don't know. She was able to escape the home
at the time. Thankfully, Vicky was able to survive her
attack and let police know what happened to her. She
did lose one of her eyes due to the attack.
Now here's the thing. She probably had a little twenty two.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
They showed a picture, or they showed in the reenactment.
It looked like a really small little gun.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yes, get a thirty eight a nine milimes.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Or so with the bullets that explode.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Well, I mean you can get the critical duty rounds. Yes,
that'll punch a hole, a little hole going in, huge
hole coming out the back. But if you're going to
try and protect yourself with a twenty two, I mean
that's only good for squirrels and birds if they're attacking you.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
All right, Investigators, that stew's the more you know, the
more you grow.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
The more you know, the less you get your gun
taken away and shot with your own gun.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Okay, well, let's not try to make her. She did,
she tried to.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I get it. I'm just saying for future reference, anybody
a gun is not always uh a gun. Sometime sometimes
it's just a little pupil.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
But you hear about the ones getting shot with twenty
twos and surviving all the time, Like people take him
to try to murder people like intentionally. It's like that
was the wrong gun to try this.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Well, that's cruel. That's just cruel. Somebody out to get
extra years for trying to kill somebody with a twenty two.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
All right, So investigators now know that Ronald was the
one to cause Bethany's disappearance, like obviously he's a terrible
human being, but they still at this point, at this point,
did not have a body, and they still lacked any
physical evidence to tie him to the murder. The only
good thing was Ronald is now going to be put
away for a while due to this attack on VICKI,
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so they have some time to try to uncover evidence
to tie him to Bethany's disappearance. Now he's going to
be put away for a while, but not that long.
I was gonna say, I was distracted when you were
talking about how they were interviewing Ronald, and.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yes, and I was watching you raise your phone the
whole time. You're TikTok on over there or something.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
No, I was looking up information. There is a dateline
episode I guess about this. So, so I don't know
if they have any more insight into the dynamics. I
think I think what they said was the child was
living with the mother, the mom, Bethany's mom anyways, what
and then they were they were saying that Emil was
a really good dad and the son now lives with
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the dad, like, yes, he came back and.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
He yeah, we got that from this episode.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah. What I was gonna say is it was so
I think the police really did a disservice because the
whole thing about Ronald moving out of that apartment was weird,
was a sign of something out of there? Well, I
mean just that's a weird thing to do when you
have a pregnant And there's also controversy as to whether
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that baby was Ronald's or Emil's that oh, because we're
that she's pregnant with currently.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I don't know, because I don't know when he deployed.
If he deployed six months previous to this and she's
five months.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Pay Some say it's the some say it's what could
have been his, and then some say it could have
been Ronald's. But I think it was more Ronald's likely
based on well, based on the timing and everything like that.
Originally when they put it on the news, I think
they said it was the meal guy. But then they
kind of had to like and.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
They did the math and looked at the calendar. Yeah, nope.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Anyway, so we are where where was I? So, like
I said, he's going to be put away, but we'll
talk about a minute. He didn't get put away for
that long. Now, with the progression of technology, they try
those Facebook messages again to see if they can find
the IP address or where they came from and this
time they were successful. They were able to tie them
to a laptop that was found at Ronald's mother's home,
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and I guess at the time they must have wenten.
They said that they had the laptop, so I'm guessing
they were.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
It was in evidence the whole time.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, I'm guessing they Yeah, because.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Some have laptop o ale and you would think would
get tossed in the garbage can at some point.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
So I think at some point they did must have
had sir to warrants to go get some of these
items from where Ronald was living, because I don't know
if he moved back in with his mother afterwards or
what happened. Now in twenty twenty, after just after serving
just six years for the attempted murder.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Of VICKI well, it sounds like first degree attempted murder. Yes,
that's because he took a plea deal on that one.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yes, he took a plea deal, so he only got
he got six to eight years and somehow got out
at six. He was actually scheduled to be deported back
to Bolivia because he was from Bolivia. However, the Lowden
County Sheriff's Department brought four charges for Bethany's disappearance and
brought him back to Virginia. After getting him to Virginia,
they then upgraded the charges to murder. However, they still
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did not have a body. Oh, I realized I was
supposed to stop reading, you were supposed to start.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Probably yes, And this time Ronald saw that there was
no way out of this. He saw the handwriting on
the wall. He was either going to be deported or
found guilty. So he decided to take a plead well, and.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
It seemed to work out last time for him. He
was only in jail for six years.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
For God's sake, I mean, it's ridiculous for attempted first
degree murder. Under this plea deal, he would agree to
second degree murder charges, which come with a forty year
maximum sentence. However, under this plea deal, he would only
have to serve twelve and a half years, and after
that we assume he would then be deported back to Beliza.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
So I'm assuming he's still on the list to be deported.
If he was going to be deported previously, I would
hope that they worked that out in his part of
the plea deals. You have to get the fuck out
of here. Okay, we don't want.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
You can't be run around killing people.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Not in the US at least, I mean, that's olivious.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah. Part of this plea agreement is that he has
to come clean and explain what happened to Bethany, which.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Is exactly throws in the face of what they Everyone
was like, Oh, they never make the in the Brian
Coburger case, for they never make them say are required
to say what they did? Or that's never part of
the plea deal? Apparently it is, apparently, but it is.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
But as we find out and this one, sometimes whenever they're.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
They just lie and say what they want, to.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Make shit up and try and make themselves look not
too bad.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
So Ronald tells authorities that Bethany and him had an
argument that day about her taking another shift at work.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yes, that was it. Yes, thank god, I want to
watch TV with you tonight. You can't go to work,
so I'm just gonna so we're gonna argue.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yes, they got into a fight, and he says that
he pushed her and her head struck the windowsill and
she fell to the ground. Now, when he went to
go check on her, she was not moving and she
was not breathing.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yes, he said he stuck his fingers under her nose.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yes, that's how he checked for a pulse or whatever,
was sticking his fingers under her nose. I mean, at
least get a mirror and see if there's some.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Some Yes, or maybe Ronald was just bullshitting.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yes, I do more than that whenever I'm trying to
check and make sure the children are alive randomly in
do I do I check if you're alive anymore?
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Well? He yelled at me the other day that you
thought I was dead.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Oh, yeah I did. I don't check if you're breathing, though,
I just scream at you, what the fuck's wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Not while I'm sleeping? And you say you check my
pulse every now and then, while I no, I don't.
You don't anymore, No if I'm breathing or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Okay, Well there was no question about that because you
used to snore so bad. I used to try to
kill you by closing your nostrils. Wow, little did I know?
You had sleep at me and I really couldn't be
taking you out.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, you just let me go out and I eventually died.
High blood pressure or coronarya event or something.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
All right, so where where are we? Oh so he's
she's not breathing because he put his fingers under nose.
So instead of calling all this is bullshit. That's why
we're laughing through this whole story, this part of the story,
because this is not.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
What happened at all. Ronald's full of ship.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, so instead of calling on one, he wrapped her
body in a Christmas tree disposal bag that was given
to them by their apartment complex and threw in the
trash compactor, which is really disturbing.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, he just discarded her with a five month six
month old fetus at this time.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, this is like he's that part. I'm pretty sure
he did. But he did not. He did not just
push her and and she just would because they said
there was no blood evidence or anything at the scene,
what had been cleaned up. He probably did the same
thing he did to Vicky. He was trying to choke
her to death. He probably strangled Bethany and then disposed
of her body.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
She either said I'm confused, I don't know what I
want to do, or she was like, I'm going to
get back together with my my husband, and that's what
we're going to do, and then he got angry and
then he he went and he choked her, smashed her
head or something.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well, no, they're saying that they didn't have any blood evidence,
so I think she he probably did what he did
with VICKI or whatever. But what I understand is they
didn't go check this. What I feel like there was
some some flaws the investigators.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Well, they just saw that there was nothing. They didn't
say that they they examined the apartment for anything.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Well, no, they searched the apartment, but it was empty
and they looked for well.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
I don't know if they went through there with a
black light looking for blood evidence or clean up of
blood over.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Well, if they didn't, then they really they really missed
the boat. They also, I don't know if they came
back and did it years later, because by the time
this all happened, this was twelve years later that they
got him. But also, why didn't they go check the
trash and the trash compactor. The trash compactor, even though
it had been three weeks, it is a compactor, so
it may not have been emptied yet.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I'm surprised nobody complained about the smell I guess if
it wasn't a bag though, or.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Maybe he didn't even dispose of her that way, it
could all be lies. The whole thing is that how
he did it his all.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
He seems like an idiot, so he would have had
to do something. I don't think he could have moved
a body without getting caught.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
He didn't seem like the No, it didn't seem very bright. Now,
investigators did not believe his story because.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Like I said, there was no we don't believe his story.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, nobody believes him anyways, but there's not really much
they can do. He took a plea deal. He's in
jail until this was twenty twenty three, So he's in
jail till twenty thirty five ish and then hopefully he
gets deported. That's all we can hope for. So he
was a terrible person is and he's gonna end up
killing somebody else. I mean, if there's anybody that should
(45:12):
not be walking free ever again.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
It's it's this fucking clown here. Yes, so oh, Ronald
roll Rondall.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Ronald roll roll Dan roll down. And then what was
I gonna say?
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yes, the son he lives with his father now so
that's good.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Once they he was able to get out because he
was still like people looked at him sideways, like, oh yeah,
he under.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, he was under a cloud of suspicion his whole
all this whole time.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, they were like, yeah, did he do it? Did
he not do it? Should he have a kid? Should
he not?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah? Should he even have this child? Should it? I'm
sure he got looks all the time about it and
had to deal with it. But the I guess they
didn't really say if the family, her family thought he
did it, but I don't think they did, because they
said that they had to they wanted to keep a
relationship with the child. Obviously the mom did so well.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Even if they did suspect him of doing something, they
weren't gonna they were going to keep the relationship going.
So if they could have access to the ground.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, nobody ever came out and emphatically from her side.
Maybe they did in the Dateline episode, but in this one,
nobody was. The mom was interviewed a lot and she
never was like we knew he would never have done this,
and it's like nobody said that.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
No, Yeah, nobody said that. They were just like, oh yeah,
the mom was like, yeah, finally, after all this time,
he was relieved that he was no longer under under
any suspicion of doing this.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
All right, well that's our case this week. Don't come
at me please about how I was negative. It's not
that I was just negative about.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Why are you worried about it?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I don't know why, because I don't want to get
angry emails due okay, well angry comments.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I'm not only going to raise their comments.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I'm not saying she seemed like she seemed like a
nice girl that was trying to get her life together.
She was, she was going to school full time and everything.
I think she just got married really young. She had
this responsibility, this child that she was now taking care
of by herself, and it was just too much. The
only thing is like, is she I don't know what
her relationship was like staying in the child's life, like
going to visit her mom with the child. But I
(47:13):
don't know how far Fredericksburg is from fred or ricks
Fredericksburg from where were they at? I forgot what the
town Louden loud No, that's Louden County.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Oh, I don't, Yeah, I don't recall.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Anyways, do you have your yeall need Jesus.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yes, I do. Came to us from miss Miss Allison
Skidmore coming to us. Let me see does it say?
It doesn't say the name of the town, so we'll
just go here. GAB News Kara Scott Harper, reporting July sixteenth,
(47:56):
twenty twenty five report singing chiildren's songs are not illegal.
A man called nine one one because his neighbor repeatedly
sang a children's song. A Georgetown County Sheriff's Office incident
report states it happened around five pm on July sixth
on Caraway Drive in the Pleasant Hill area. A sixty
(48:19):
seven year old man said his forty three year old
neighbor was outside singing Row Row Row your boat.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
His forty three year old neighbor, yes, he.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Was singing it out loud near their property line. Now
I apologize to everybody. It's going to have this earwig,
this little earworm in their head for the next twenty
four hours of row row your boat gently down the stream.
The complaint said that they had recently had a harassment
charge and restraining order against the neighbor, so the forty
(48:53):
year old is forty three year old, is Evan dently
doing some weird shit over there, or maybe the sixty
seven year old has just got a bug up his
ass and they filed a complaint against the neighbor. He
also said that the singing started at around five pm.
The deputy asked the man if the neighbor ever stepped
foot on his property or anything other than singing out loud.
(49:14):
The man said no. The deputy told the man singing
out loud on your own property during the early evening
hours was not against the law. So Kara, Yes, if
you want to go outside and sing a row row
your boat in the early evening hours, you can do it.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Okay, that's good.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
I mean, as far as I know in Midland, it's
not a crime either.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Well, I've been singing Taylor Swift, you know, at the
top of my lungs, and.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, I know it's in the pool. Sounds like somebody's
making a cat got Tennis Rackett around here?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Are you talking about me or Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Singing tomato tomato?
Speaker 2 (49:47):
We didn't even talk about Taylor Swift's new albums.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
However, since there is a history of harassment of Kara,
harassing me. The deputy agreed to document the incident. I
advised the complaintant that I would patrol. I would put
a patrol watch for their property for the next couple
of weeks. The report stays, So we have resources, police
resources going to a property to make sure somebody is
(50:13):
not harassing the neighbor with children's tunes.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Well, he shouldn't be singing row row your boat. Why not,
because that's creepy.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
You think he was actually just trying to annoy his neighbor.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Maybe, yes, Why else would you have grown an ass
adult sing rorow.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Row your boat out there at the property line five pm? Yes,
I mean if somebody was doing that here at our house,
I wouldn't know because I'm inside.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
And if they were doing it while I was outside,
I would just turn up the radio some more so
that I didn't have to hear it.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
This is true. But we haven't annoyed our neighbors enough
for them to want to intentionally do this. Test. No,
I don't want to agitate anybody that knows where I live.
I try hard about that, except for that one guy
that parked behind me or driveway that one time.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yes, you wanted to go out there and get in
an argument with a drunk guy who had a breathalyzer
in his jeep and he couldn't start his jeep to leave.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yeah, we should have called the police on him, but
then he would have known where we lived.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Yes, he would have known who called the police.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Okay, So I was just reading a few things, and
I also found out from this case. Apparently this changes
things a little bit too. Bethany and the husband went
to on a vacation to Hawaii, nice leading up to
the day the day that they had the big that
she got up at the family dinner and left and
that was the last time he saw her. So he
takes her to Hawaii and then she stills like whatever,
(51:44):
Like they go to Hawaii and they're still having problems
when they come back. So anyways, that might open up
reason more like why the boyfriend was gonna so.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
He took his five month old pregnant wife to Hawaii
to try and rekindle the relationship.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yes, but I don't know whose baby it was. It's
all very convolution it is it is. So I don't know,
how does that change the story. I just was. I
just found that out.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
You think that's why Ronald was upset that she just
bailed and went to Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah. I think he snapped on her and me, like,
she went to Hawaii without me and this is my
baby and he.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
Should have told me. I would have got a ticket.
It would have been all three of us together. Whatever
they call that plural arrangement.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yes, you're no, it's called it's not plural. It's called
uh polyamory, Okay, I don't know. It's different than polygamy.
Polygamy is like a person, usually a man, married to
multiple wives, but the wives don't have they don't all
have relationships with each other. Polyamory is like when you
(52:46):
have a group that's living as like a as a
thrupple or something like that, and they're all like there's
a sharing.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Of yes, part of it monogamous hair, and then monogos
with the other guy.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I think it's like I think it's like they can
swap like the maybe there's two men and two women
and they'll like maybe this was a couple and that
was a couple, and then they might swap. Okay, okay,
I think this would be.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Like a throuple. Before we get comments, I don't, I
don't I don't need to know anything about.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
This, all right, this episode, you guys can hate us.
I guess. I guess I'm just a bitch, all right.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
So well, yeah, there is that.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
All right. So check us out Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. I'm
not going to ask you to rate. You subscribe after
this episode and then Patreon dot com, and I guess
we will see you all next time. By everyone, say
bye stuck, Bye Stuck.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
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