May 1, 2025 • 49 mins
We are currently cruising! So we are sharing a replay of our cruise murder episode we recorded the first time we cruised! Hope you enjoy this episode and we will be back next week with a new episode and probably some cruise stories!
This week we are going to Florida-ish...technically we are 30 nautical miles off the coast because this murder occurred on a Cruise! Tamara goes on a Carnival cruise to celebrate her 50th birthday with the love of her life, Eric. But the trip takes a tragic turn when she is found unresponsive three decks below her balcony. Was it an accident, suicide, or murder?!?!
Fun Fact: Due to cruise ship superstitions, some cruise ships don’t have a deck 13. While many cruise ships skip deck 13, MSC Cruises skip deck 17 due to a similar Italian superstition.
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This week we are going to Florida-ish...technically we are 30 nautical miles off the coast because this murder occurred on a Cruise! Tamara goes on a Carnival cruise to celebrate her 50th birthday with the love of her life, Eric. But the trip takes a tragic turn when she is found unresponsive three decks below her balcony. Was it an accident, suicide, or murder?!?!
Fun Fact: Due to cruise ship superstitions, some cruise ships don’t have a deck 13. While many cruise ships skip deck 13, MSC Cruises skip deck 17 due to a similar Italian superstition.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hey, everyone, welcome to bless this message at your Cup podcast.
I'm care here, what's to do? So hast right? All right,
so we're back this week. We're actually doing a kind
of a special episode because we are going on if
you heard last week, we're talking about we're going on
a cruise. This is our first cruise. Very excited. So
we will have well, there's gonna be maybe like a
(00:42):
we're trying. I'm gonna try to put something out next week,
but I may just catch up on the a little
less messes that we're behind on because I'm actually going
out of town for work, so we won't be in
the same room to record. So next week there may
not be a new like one of these types of episodes.
But so so sorry about that, are you? Well? We
(01:03):
you know we still we both work full time. I
have to travel for work a lot. We have two
small children. You know, there's a lot going on. Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Anyways, but we are trying to justify this to mayor
or somebody else, I mean to them, Well you're looking
like I need to acknowledge.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That the public anyway, So yeah, next week there won't be
a new episode with me and Stu but I might
try to do something because I can record something on
my own or just catch up on the a little
less message. So, but we are going on a cruise,
We're going to try to because I have to go
to town for work and then I'm gonna come back
and then we're going to be leaving. I only be
home like a day or two and then we're gonna
leave on the cruise. So we're going to try to
(01:42):
record something that evening before we head out to go
to the cruise. But we are excited if you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
We're not going to record on the cruise.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, we're not going to record.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
We're not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No, No, I'm not spending my time on the cruise
recording an episode.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Sorry, guys, you're not that deadic.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I'm not that dead anyway. So hopefully we don't have
a gap of two weeks, but we're gonna try just
to have a gap of one week. But anyway, so
this is a special episode because we are going on
a cruise. I found a whole series on Discovery, like
Discovery Network, on the ID channel, there's Discovery app about
cruise ship killers. So, like, I didn't realize there were
(02:20):
so many people got murdered on cruises. I thought it
was like a pretty rare event. But they had enough
for two seasons, like twenty plus episodes per season, and
these weren't just like your typical throwing people overboard and
everything that some people were like murdered in their room.
And it's like, how do you not think you're gonna
get caught stabbing someone in your cat in your stateroom.
(02:41):
I don't understand that. So anyways, so we're gonna do
a special one, this one that is a cruise out
of Florida, so technically it's still in the South. But anyways,
let's just do the stuff that Stu hates. Patreon dot com,
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(03:02):
on some additional content. But it's just not we just
don't promise.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
We are.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
But I'm saying eventually. They don't know what eventually could
be anytime from there, it could be. It took us
five years to get a hundred episodes. Anyways, and then
we have buy me at Coffee dot com, slash bless
This Mess, like us on Instagram and Facebook. I'm gonna
be doing some cruise content. I'm gonna show you. I'm
gonna show you, guys, how I looked at all the
(03:28):
different tips of packing and everything. So if you're going
on a cruise, you want to follow me on the
Instagram or the Facebook probably, and I'm gonna show you
all the little cruise packing tips I got. So when
we get there, I'll show you how I set up
our stateroom. Because we have two small children. One of
them is going to be in a pack and play
the other ones at Toddler. So I'm gonna show you
how I did that because I was I was looking
up all the tips. So make sure and check us
(03:50):
out on that and then rate, review, subscribe, and I
guess that's it. Stu, Yes, are you still with us?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I am with Youhanni.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
All right, So with all of that, let's go ahead
and get into this week's episode. Tamara Lorraine Tucker was
born January seventeenth, nineteen sixty eight, to William and Wanda
Tucker in Rolla, Missouri. I guess unpronounced that right? Rl
La sure, Rolla. I don't know how else rolla who knows?
(04:22):
Who knows what these names are? And be like it's
pronounced relala.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
A freaking comment somewhere.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So Tamara would have a son, Jonathan Tucker in June
of nineteen ninety one. Her passion in life was teaching
and helping with helping children that were in abusive situations.
She served as a program director at at Child Abuse
Prevention Association, where she led policy change on both I
cannot read today's story, where she led policy change on
(04:51):
both the state and national level and advanced child education
and support. So she's like this was her main passion
in life was helping children, try to help rescue them
from these abusive situations and then give them the resources
to be able to overcome this.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And grow up in and pass laws to help help.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Prevent and help support these kids once because you know,
we've seen it lots of times kids get pulled out
abusive situations, but then they get sent it to the
foster system and then well, I mean not all of them,
but there are people that just you hear stories all
the time about people that get the foster kids because
they get the money for fostering kids. I mean, we
have friends that foster children and they're they're absolutely wonderful
(05:34):
and they love the children and everything that, But there
are those cases where you hear about the foster parents
just taken in kids so they can get money and
stuff like that, and yeah, I guess or they could
be an abusive situation. I've been listening to the Karen
Slaughter books, the Will Trent series, so I have some
(05:55):
Really he was in the foster system, and Will Trent was,
if anyways, familiar, and I've just if anybody's read her books,
they're very dark. So I've heard horror stories about the
foster's system even though it was fictional in this I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It happens based on some of.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It, probably based on something she's.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Some actual events that have happened.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So anyway, so she's working in this child abuse Abuse
Prevention Association. She's making all these changes and then starting
in two thousand and eight, she became a professor for
Park University, teaching social work. Now her students loved her.
She was a favorite teacher on campus. Tamara had many
interests along with teaching. These included travel, photography, gardening, and genealogy,
(06:39):
just to name a few. She was she had like
a passion for life, love doing all sorts of things.
She had all sorts of hobbies. Now, she was described
as eclectic as you can imagine, even signing all of
her emails with namas day Stuart.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Oh Lord, yeah, a little Haippie type.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, a little bit. Now. She lived a very full life,
and when her son had a daughter, she embraced her
role as grandmother and doated on her granddaughter. Now, at
some point, Tamara meets Eric Newman. Eric is a heavy
equipment operator living into Peka, Kansas. Now. The two hit
it off and it is the start of a long
term relationship for Tamara. She calls Eric the love of
(07:18):
her life, and they seem very happy together. They were
She still lived in Missouri and he lived in Tapeka, Kansas.
I didn't look at how far those were. I think
maybe an hour away or something like that. But anyways,
they didn't live together, but they were long. They were
just kind of more of a I guess, a modern relationship.
They weren't getting married or anything, but they were. They
were together for a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
They were together. It sounds like they were an hour apart.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Well, they were together anyways.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
On January twenty eighth or eighteenth, twenty eighteen, Tamara and
Eric had to Jacksonville, Florida to embark on a four
day cruise to the Bahamas.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
That's the party cruise.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Let me tell you to Carnival stuffs.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Well, oh yeah, yeah, we'll read what both they were on.
But because what I read, so we're going on a
seven day cruise and we're going on Royal Caribbean. Because
what I heard was it's not necessarily it's not necessarily
that it's Carnival or Royal Caribbean or any of them.
It's the length of the cruise you got to look at.
So like, just because it's Carnival, a seven day cruise
on a Carnival is gonna be a lot more tame
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than a three or four day cruise on a Carnival
or Royal Caribbean. Because it's the group of people. You're
gonna get young people that maybe can't afford a full
seven day one or have a short period of time
like a weekend, and they're on the booze cruise. They're
going for it, you know. But the seven day one
you might get, especially if you get into like ten
day or fourteen day they say, it's a bunch of
like old people on the ship.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
That's what you get to well, these young people have
bought the drink package. You can drink not to mention
that get the money right.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, not to mention we learn because of the whole
drink package thing. They say cruises are it seems like
cruises are inexpensive, but they're not because then you got
to pay for the drink package. Well, you have to
pay for everybody in your cabin, and you have to
pay for it every single day, even port days. So
if you're a younger person that maybe's like in your
twenties or whatever that's want to go party, you can't
afford seven days for a drink package for two people
(09:14):
was like eleven or twelve hundred dollars. It's like ridiculous.
So a short one four days. You only have to
pay for four days of the boot of the alcohol
package and.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's usually only one or two parts in there.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, so so they're definitely on like the more of
the booze cruise party.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
She is eclectic, she has eclectic.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
There's nothing wrong with that either. I mean she's wrong woman, go.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Have fun, nah, I guess, but I mean I don't
know if my lever.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Case, oh I know at that age, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
She's she's fifty, trying to drink her weight.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well, we don't know, we don't know her drinking her tolerance. Yeah, anyways, anyway,
I was just going to share that what I learned
about the cruise lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Why, thank you? Okay, are you going to anyway? Yes,
I did lose my spot. They were on their way
to celebrate Tamara's fiftieth birthday and this was a gift
from Tamara's parents. The cruise was the Carnival Elation and
the ship Carnival Ship holds almost twenty two hundred guests
(10:19):
and nine hundred crew members. It was built in nineteen
ninety eight, so it's not as large as some of
those ones you see on Mighty cruise ship shows that
Stu may watch.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, we've been watching them, Moneys. We're going on the
We're going on the Oas, one of the Oasis class
ships from Royal Caribbeans. So those are the really big ships.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
One of the ones that holds approximately five thousand people.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, so if we go down, we're making the news.
People for ship goes down.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Really, I think any cruise ship that sanks will make
the news.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, I started reading about cruise ships sinking and stuff,
and they said that they're so large now, these really
big ones, that you could evacuate everybody by the time
if it did start sinking, like it's not it's going
to take so long to sink, you could actually evacuate everybody.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
We will see in case it has toad. Anyway, the
Carnival Elation is operating in the day. In case you're
one of those weirdos that likes to go.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It is operating today.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, yes, that's what I just said.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Oh did I put that in there?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
No, I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Okay, well I looked it up too. It is operating today.
I think they're working out a floor right now. Right now,
Well not today, But when I wrote this, I wanted
to see. I mean, it's just weird that somebody. But
there's lots of cruise ship that people died on and
they're still out there, just chugging around.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
They cost a lot of day of money to build.
You can't just shut one down just because somebody died
on it.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I know some of these were like on our mighty
cruise ship we were watching like a billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yes, they got to operate for quite some time to
get their money, right, Okay. Anyway, Tamara is very excited
about the cruise because her job she deals with heavy
things such as child abuse, social work, just all the
ins and outs. I mean, I can't even imagine. It's
kind of like first responders. You can get to see
how this crap happening there in the day.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's just a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, it's a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I wouldn't I couldn't do that job. Or they say,
the other really bad job is the one the people
that have to do the image checks on like Google,
that sit in a room and have anything that's flagged
have to look at it. Oh yeah, and they said
that that people don't last very long in that job.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Now you see some messed up stuff, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Because there's people getting murdered, people doing things to animals,
probably child.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Abuse, all sorts of war, and all kinds of weird
stuff that people are trying to put on the internet. Anyway, Yeah,
so based on her job, she's excited to go on
this cruise. Laugh them at all. So they board the
crewise her and Eric, and they check out all the
ship pass to offer. Now, since it was Tamara's birthday,
the ship did make sure that her time was very special.
(12:47):
They eat dinner that evening, and then they head to
one of the party areas where they can drink, dance,
and watch them entertainment.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Not strippers do, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Now, there's no strippers on these now. After quite a
bit of drinking, at around eleven thirty PM, Tabara decides
that she's tired, so she heads up to the room,
leaving Eric at the lounge to continue drinking and enjoying
his evening. That's a red flag.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Why is it a red flag? They're on a ship.
If I left, if you I was done drinking and
I left you and I was like I'm tired, and
you were like I'm gonna hang out for and have
another drink or Job'll be like.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Okay, why why on this cruise ship with all these
weird people that you don't know?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
No, but why, I wouldn't think anything of it if
I was to leave and be like, hey, Stue, I'm tired.
I'm gonna go up and go to bed, and you're like, hey, ye,
I'm gonna finish my drinking. I'll meet you up there
and be like.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Okay, well, what are you gonna do by yourself?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Drinking people please, used to sit in bars all the
time and drink by yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I didn't have no one to be home to though.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Okay, well, I appreciate you'd want to go up to
go to the bedroom with me. I appreciate your dedication
to me.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I'm just saying if I was going to go to
bed and you're like, yeah, I'm gonna be down here drinking,
I'd be like, oh that's fishy.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
M really yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You end up in one of them rooms with pineapple
on the door or something.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I know, I did read that like we got like decorations.
I was gonna surprise the kids and like, I know
they're little, but I just go overboard anyway, so you
might I was gonna deck shut up stew Oh my god,
I walked right into that one. Anyways, I decorated thing,
(14:26):
but everybody was like in the cruise group, I mean,
was like, don't put pineapples on your door because apparently
it's a real thing. The swingers.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I told you. I've told you plenty of times.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Anyways, so I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Anyways, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Put pineapples outside your house either. I did buy that
pineapple light for our other house. I bought that outdoor
pineapple light, and there was.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
A bunch of people starting knocking on our doorway to
take it out. Anyways, Anyways, now, sometime past midnight, when
they were about thirty nine aicle miles from Florida, Eric
and crew members make a horrific discovery. Tamara's lifeless body
is found on the eleventh deck and it appeared that
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she had fallen from their fourteenth deck balcony.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Medical personnel from the ship arrive on scene. They attempt
to save Tamara, but it was just too late. She
was already gone. The medical team pulls Tamara's blood and
is measured to be at point two two percent, which
everybody knows around here the legal limit for driving is
point eight percent, So point.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Two two is like she's smashed.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
She's yeah, she's schlitz, which there's nothing wrong with that.
She's in a controlled environment, she's not driving like whatever.
I'm sure we've all been there, I'm sure you have.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Experts say that at this point Tamara would have blurred
vision from this this most people would have this type
of reaction. This blurred vision and an inability to stand
on her own. Now, blackouts could even occur at this level. Now,
looking back at the amount that they were served, it
came up to twenty one drinks between the two of
them in a four hour period. I don't know who
(16:05):
drank what, but twenty one drinks between two people in
four hours.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
That's a lot. Now, due to being in international waters,
the closest officials were called in and this is the
Central Detective Unit from Grand Bahama. Now the officials are
looking at the options as to what could have possibly
happened to Tamara. This could have been an accident, a suicide,
or someone pushing her overboard.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Stuart, Hmmm, that's what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
To me now, Looking you're the one that said that
I was going overboard.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I said you might. You said you were going overboard.
I said you might.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Everybody, if I don't make it back from this, do
not listen to this podcast with Stuart's new wife, that
he can my girlfriend or fiance, that he continues this.
He's like, in loving memory of Kara, we're going to
continue on by covering her murder.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yes, that.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
This this podcast would blow up if one of us
got murdered. To who wants to take one for.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
The tea, not me, I wouldn't be able to enjoy
the revenue.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Now, looking at Stewart, you should really just be generous
and I can shove you overboard. Now, looking at it
from an accident standpoint, while Tamara was highly intoxicated, the
railings on cruise ships are designed to prevent people from
accidentally falling over them. Now, by law, cruise ship railings
must be forty two inches tall, with a three inch
variants allowed, meaning it could be as short as thirty
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nine inches or as tall as forty five inches. Now,
Tamara would have needed to intentionally climb on top of
the railing to fall over. Now investigators need to look
at it as a possibility. Although falling over a relling
on a cruise ship is rare, but it does happen,
so they say. Whenever they had the experts that I
watched through in this, they said, it's just very difficult
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to accidentally follow. You have to really be like climbing
up on top of the railing.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So doing something stupid, yeah, stupid.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
But with the point too too alcohol blood alcohol content.
People do stupid things all the time, Yes they do.
There's a whole industry in Vegas based on them. Y, it's.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Called wedding chat. Yes, So then they started looking at
an intentional jump suicide of some sort. So they looking
to Tamara's past to see if there were any warning
signs or previous suicide attempts. She had never tried to
commit suicide in the past, and she had never mentioned
feeling hopeless to friends or family. She had a love
(18:34):
for life and excellent relationships with friends, students, and family members.
So none of these were any signs of pointing to
Tamara Bean suicidal.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah. I mean, it doesn't mean like someone's always displays,
but usually there's some sort of indication that this would
have suicidal tendencies or something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I have tendencies.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That's a band, right, yes, okay, the band.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, I got a couple other albums.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Anyway, they quickly rule this out as an option as
to what happened to Tamara.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Now, investigators interview Eric to see if he saw something
or saw someone following Tamara. He tells the police that
he left about twenty minutes after Tamara. He then entered
the room and looked over the rally and saw Tamara
lying several decks down, so he goes in, can't find her,
goes out to the balcony looking. It happens to look
overboard and then he sees her. He then runs down
(19:29):
to go to help her see if she's still alive.
He told investigators he saw no one suspicious that evening
around Tamara. This is where he made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
He should have said people.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah. Now there is little to no more information to
get out of Eric, so they release him. Tamara's body
undergoes an autopsy. It was determined that she died from
blunt force trauma due to the fall. Since she was
an American citizen, the Grand Bahaman Bahaman Bohemian Bohemian Bahaman,
the government turns over the investigation to the FBI. Now
(20:03):
this isn't a requirement, but they said, I read in
like the cruise ship situations like this most of the time.
The other ones are just like here, the FBI, we
don't want to do this, Okay, take it now. Tamara's
body is sent back to the United States. Her family
and Eric are grieving the loss of Tamara. Eric starts
posting many times on his social media about losing love
(20:25):
his life. Starts a whole Facebook page dedicated to Sarah's
Sarah Jesus.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Christ is with you, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I told you I've been reading the Will Trent books.
That's Sarah Linton. I mean, I've been in these books
to it. That's all I've I've been listening to the audiobooks.
That's all I've listened to. The last like how many
ever days, I've foregone any podcast or anything, and I've
just been like listened to him. So Sarah Tamara at
least it rhymes. So he's he creates a Facebook page
(20:57):
dedicated to Tamara's life, so people are going on there
and interacting with people all the time. Like he's really
into this like social media persona of himself as the
Green I don't know, he's just like really really into
like posting about how upset he is about Tamra and
everything that and interacting with strangers. Because obviously someone dies
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on a cruise ship, it's going to make the news.
So then there's always people that are going to be
have like this, you know, people that won't want to
reach out and like I'm so sorry. And he's like
he's like in instick.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Same people that write the Prisoners and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, well I don't know if it's the same people,
but well, not.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The same people, but the same type of mentality.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, or like people want.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
To like celebrities that like, I'm going to write this
letter to this so and so and maybe they'll see
it and we'll live happily.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Ever after No, I don't know. That's not even remotely closed.
Just some people feel some people some people feel very
empathetic to other people. I'm not I have a hard
time with that. But they have empathy and they want
to reach out to somebody and tell him how sorry
they are that they lost a loved one and everything
like that. So this same it's not the same people
(22:06):
that are writing to prisoners.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Well after this, praise y'all. Do not have to write
to me when I'm dead or missing.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Don't you haven't decided how you're gonna how it's gonna
play out.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean, I don't know what could happened in Okay.
Tamara's family continued to wait for results from the investigation.
The FBI was conducting a medical examiner in the US
completed in another optop so you to look for any
signs of foul play, and the results, according to them,
were eye opening. Because Tamara had signs of being strangled
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prior to fall into our death.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think this is why they release these some of
these smaller islands. I mean, obviously they're not going to
have as many resources as say the FBI or a
larger country does with in terms of investigation. So it's
a good thing that they do say, you know what,
we might not be able to handle this the best,
and they handed over were to the FBI, who was
able to figure this out, because otherwise it would have
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just been she fell and that's it. You know, there
was no other evidence than anything bad happened.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Plus, why would you want to spend your country's resources
and money on investigations when you can hand it off
to the hotel?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Oh yeah, and there's no point where like we're trying
to like live our lives in paradise.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
We're trying to make money and we don't want to
be spending it on investigating. Yeah you're citizens, Yeah, how
about you with that?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So basically what this means is her death was no accident.
So the family isn't shocked. Police believe Eric is responsible,
but they only knew the couple as being very happy.
He had been in constant contact with Tamara's family after
her death, telling them that he missed her so much
and that she was the love of his life.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah again, they said they were just he was just
caught like still like they had been together, you know,
a decade. So he was still reaching out to the
family saying, Oh my god, am I supposed to go
on with doubt her? She's living my life and he's
doing all this Facebook stuff, social media stuff, saying how
much he loved her. I mean, yeah, doth protest too much? Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
What happens if you don't protest at all? Oh that sucks.
I gotta go to work.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, well you can't. You gotta get the happy medium.
Otherwise you look guilty.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You're gonna look guilty regardless of Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I don't think there is a happy medium, because somebody's always.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Gonna be like the husband always did it.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
You just ain't quiet enough.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
The husband always did it?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What if it was the boyfriend?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
The boyfriend always did it? Shut up stew Jesus.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Now, based on the evidence they collected the night of
the murder, Eric is the only one who could have
had access to Tamara and a motive to Harmer. On
September fifth, twenty eighteen, they arrest him and charge him
with second degree murder. He denies the allegations, but they
get him anyway, and he posts fifty thousand DOS bond
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and gets out of.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Jail to go back to his social media go.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Back to his social media post.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Now, due to the murder occurring offshore, the case is
taken by federal prosecutors who begin building the case against
Eric now and looking into his past, there are several
red flags that he is a violent man. Now. In total,
they find four misdemeanor convictions from Kansas from two thousand
to twenty thirteen. Three of those involved an ex fiancee
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and an ex wife where he had strangled them in
some way. So this is like, and this is happening
while this is happening while Tamara and Eric are together,
that he's that he's convicted of these things. But I'm
telling they seem to live they work together, but they
live separate lives almost you know that he's an hour
or however far Topeka was from where she was. They
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weren't living together in this It wasn't a typical relationship
where you might be aware of stuff like this. It
was like a long distance relationship and long distance man
they can get rid of, get away with a lot
of shit. You know.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It sounds like having friends, fiances and wives and well,
I mean these.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Were extances and ex wives. I don't think he was
with I think he like met up with them at
this time and attacked him or something like that. So now,
when the family learned about his past, they were in disbelief.
They had never heard of Eric doing anything violent to Tamara.
So please are not sure if Eric had a period
where he was not violent and snapped, or if Tamara's
family was just unaware of his abuse, because they did say,
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you know, while Tamara worked with people that were like
children that were abused and like things like that, it's
not uncommon for someone who works in that to advocate
for other people. Has it happened to them? And they
might be ashamed or embarrassed to say anything because they're like, well,
I'm just I'm out here telling all these women and
children and stuff what they need to do if they're
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in an abusive relationship. And here I am in an
abusive relationship and not wanting to get out or can't
get out or whatever. It is, and no, there could be.
I mean they don't know. They're just saying it could
have been. He could have been violent. They find it
odd that he just went from not being violent at
all with Tamara, but he was still having violent episodes
with other people during this time that she didn't wasn't
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on the receiving end at some point of this of
his behavior. Maybe it wasn't as severe. I don't know,
but or maybe she was just ashamed to talk about it,
or it.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Was just verbal and no physical stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, they don't know. Or it could have been. He
could have been the greatest guy with her. And then
I mean, look at freaking BTK. His wife said he
was great. He's out there murdering people left and right,
so it could have been something like that and she
didn't even know.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
He just gets his frustrations out killing other people or
smacking them around.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, they come home and it's like when he sees Tamara,
he's just happy and like he also had the option of,
you know, they live, they didn't live together. He could
have let you know, things like that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Now, with evidence stacking up against him, Eric decides he's
going to play guilty. On December nineteen, twenty nineteen to
one count of second degree murder. He has sent us
to twelve years in prison with five years of probation
in federal prison.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I think he saw the writing on the wall, because
I do I believe there were I thought someone that
one of the shows had mentioned there were cameras. I
couldn't find it. There wasn't a lot of information about this,
besides in the cruise ship Killers no episode, So but uh,
there would have been cameras I believe in on those
ships because this is twenty eighteen, and they would have
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showed him as the only person who entered the room.
I mean, like it was all a question as to
that that autopsy is really what did he meant? Because
before they could there was no proof that he pushed
her she was They just said she's drug and she
fell over. They knew he was the only one that
went in the room. But once they found out that
they knew he was only in the room and she
was strangled, So that I mean, like his.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Lawyers cameras in the hallway would have.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Been like, yeah, that was They knew he was the
only one that had gone in the room. They just
didn't know was it an accident that she had already
fallen or was it him doing that? And thankfully that
autopsy revealed that, so he saw his lawyers are probably like, dude,
you ain't getting away with this.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
They're going to play it out. You're going to forty
years because.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You're going to federal prison. This isn't like state prison.
This is federal prison.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I'm sure they all suck.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I know they also, But I've heard federal prison is worse.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, I've heard stories about saying Quentin and Angola.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I wouldn't want to be particularly bad.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I wouldn't want to be in those either.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I think those are particularly bad ones. But I've heard
federal prison is worse, or maybe federal prison is nicer.
I don't know anybody who's been in the two.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Could you please let us know or not? I don't
know if I want what you want to know?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
They might be listening in their JEL sales right now.
Stew I've have podcasts on the Stuart we what were
we watching that said that what they had available? We
were watching something or something. It was all about everything
they got, like iPads and all sorts of things in prison.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Now, yeah, somebody did have an iPad.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, they were. It was something, and it was a
really terrible person too. It wasn't like one of these
like drug offens things. It was like a real bad
person and he had access to iPads. And so, yeah,
there might be some listeners out there in prison.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well they are not contacting, and says of.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yet, Well we did remember we covered that one where
the lady was married to the guy and he would
write her letters and then she would put it out
on his blog.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, but I knew the girl that was in the
lily Lid.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Okay, anyways, we're going somewhere anyway.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Okay, So anyway, Eric plaid out, but he didn't say
what happened, so prosecutors were left to speculate as to
what happened. And so what they're figuring out is they
start off, they start off, everything's going great. First night
on the ship or whatever it is. Second night, they're
getting drunk, way too many, going down, going down too fast,
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and something is. Eric gets triggered and he follows Tamara
back to the room shortly after she left the lound.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Maybe it was her wanting to leave. You know, you
never know what these guys because a lot of guys,
they say, you know, aren't violent until they get they
start drinking, then all of a sudden they snap. It
could have been her saying I want to go to bed,
I'm tired, and him getting pissed off about that. It
could have been something as simple as that, that they
these guys that are abusive. That just sets them off
for no reason.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
What do you know about that? What you've read? Yes,
he's kind of like an expert.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Well that's maybe I am Stuart, Maybe I am Maybe
I know it all. Maybe I'm Bethany Frankel and I
know it all. Oh, she knows it all. You want
to know any of it?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Go to her anyway. Prosecutors speculate that while in the room,
they get into an argument, he snaps starts strangling Tomara.
He then pushes her out onto the balcony and then
eventually over the balcony. He then runs down to the
eleventh floor, pretending to be surprised to find her because
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he was supposedly in the lounge. Still, he went back
to the room, saw and then went back down. Yeah, anyway,
however you slice that, the story sounds full of crap,
But anyway, that was the speculation. That the prosecutors had
as to what actually happened, since Eric was not with
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anything that happened.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Now, Tamara's family does not want her to be remembered
for the way that she died, rather for the for
the people she spent her life helping. They are pushing
lawmakers to create a database similar to the sex offender database,
but for domestic violence offenders, which I think is a
good thing. Yeah, if you have if you're a violence
domestic violent person or whatever, so you can look him
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up on the Yeah, you can, just like sex offenders.
I mean, why wouldn't you want to know that someone
has like beat his wife or something and you can
look him up on a database and know that he's
been charged at least.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
There's so what if federal law makes like if you
got a dating profile that you can just click at
their link.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, it should be in the link. The sex offender
database and the domestic violence database should be in the
dating profiles right there, automatically required to be linked, so
you can see.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
They see a lot of people out on the dating side.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
More so, I think that's a great thing to be
advocating for.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
They say that this would have allowed Tamara or her
family to see Eric's violent pass prior to her starting
relationship with him, so she might have seen it, or
her family could have looked him up and seen that
Tamara might have been if he was abusive to Tamara
during the time, they could have seen that who he
was and said, you know, intervened and tried to get
her out of that situation. Now, Eric Dwayne Newman is
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currently serving out his sentence in uh this is FCI
set's Federal Corrections Institute Institute.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I think I would thank so somebody would research that.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
FCI Williamsburg in South Carolina. He is scheduled to be
released on September fifteenth, twenty thirty.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
So shortly, yeah, seven years. Shortly.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
He's not been This happened in twenty eighteen. He hadn't
even been in jail that long.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
He got twelve years.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, he's got seven more.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Knocking him down.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Well, he'll be what twelve, he'll be sixty two or
some somewhere around in there. He was like fifty or
fifty five, I think. Anyways, So now because I got
interested in since we're going on a cruise, I usually
get overly interested in things like that or like if
we're going to go do something. So then I start
looking up things. I'm sure all of you are like
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that as well. You just like you're like, let me
go down the rabbit hole. So I know how to
pack for a cruise. Now, we've watched the mighty cruise ships.
We watched the one that go to Antarctica.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It's probably how I ended up going on a cruise.
We're watching mighty cruise ships before then.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Anyways, I've been looking at all the cruise ships. So
I found some creepy facts about cruises to that I
was going to share with everybody, things I found surprising. Now,
there was a study published in the International Journal of Travel,
Medicine and Global Health found that there were six hundred
and twenty three reported deaths on cruise ships between two
thousand and twenty nineteen. I find that number high globally.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I don't think that's that high globally dead, just dead and.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Twenty three deaths. Now, the study concluded that for passengers,
falls were the most common cause of cruise deaths, followed
by cardiac arrests and suicides. Now, for crew members, suicide, murder,
and falls were the leading cause of death. So they
had suicides them cruise just murdering each other were the
global Okay, whatever, and you don't find it.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Short nineteen years. No, that's not that, man.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I thought one or two people died on a cruise ship.
It's like people getting killed by a blimp. It's like
one a year or something. I didn't realize it was
six hundred and twenty three. I guess, Okay, fine, then
whatever' stu? Fine, okay, fine, Let me move on to
the next fact I found on this is better. Cruise
ships are legally required to carry body bags and maintain
a morgue. They typically have space for three or four bodies,
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depending on the size of the ship. That's creepy.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
It's called a walking cooler.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
No, no, I sent you, potato. Are you gonna do
the y'all need Jesus that I sent you about cruise
ship to go along with this theme, I suppose I
can about a walk in cooler.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I suppose I could.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Okay. My last one is cruise ships have brigs, which
is the nautical term for gel on a vessel, including
a cruise ship. Now I know people know this that
have selled at sea. It's called a brig, but I
wanted to tell you where the word came from. It
came from the word brigantine, which is a type of
two masted sailing ship formally used to house criminals.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Put a bunch of criminals on a ship.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, and it was called a brigantine, so that's why
they call it the brig I did not know that. Okay, well,
there you go, because I knew you were already starting
with your little face about whenever I said the brig
you're lying. Everybody knows it's called a brig on a
ship now. Anyways, So we'll get back with the only
Jesus that I found that Stu's going to tell us about.
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But I found this one is cruise ship themed, all right, Stew,
you ready to go? This one isn't. Apparently the last
one I sent was too dark for him. He didn't
like appreciated.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I mean, it was a little dark.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I told you, I've been.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Listening a box full of genitals, and that's nothing on
different torsos.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
You should listen to the Karen Slaughter books.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Stew.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
It's nothing on that.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Okay, that's all fictionalized. This was real ship, though I.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Don't know what Karen Slaughter did in a different life.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Stewart, Okay, well she might have been the one that
put all the genitals in a box. She might have
chopped them off just saying that. Yeah, we said, maybe
we're covered legally. I think anyway, I would ask you
Florida or not Florida. But it's a cruise ship.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Oh Florida. It could be Texas they sell out of
they have those ones we were talking about that said
was called a fall foliage ones.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Oh yeah, and go up to Quebec. Yeah, up in
Canada anyway. CBS News Miami celebrity cruises improperly stored dead
body in cruise ships cooler instead of more, lawsuit can claims.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, and everybody acts like Royal Caribbean and Carnival or
the trashy ones. And then you've got celebrities supposed to
be the high fallutin and they're over here pulling.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
This celebrity hlu.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I don't know what's that one celebrity like. I think
they are just more expensive celebrity princess, the MSc nothing, nothing,
nothing tops Disney though that's the most expensive.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I don't know. I've seen some of them. No kids cruises,
they're quite expensive.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well, Virgin Atlantic has cruise ships and they're only adults,
but they're not that. No, the Disney one is just outrageous,
three times as much as this Royal Caribbean.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
You've seen their damn park ticket prices.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Huh yeah, it's insane. But I would if I were to.
I haven't been on a Disney cruise yet. Maybe day,
because I really want to go on the Halloween one. Now.
Our daughter's like obsessed with Mickey Mouse, like, I mean,
we're full in it. We're head to toe every day
Mickey Mouse. But I would never. If I don't have
to ever go back to Disney World, I'll be okay.
But I think that the cruise ship might be the better.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
What if they start sponsoring this podcast, well, I mean,
all right, selling out.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Oh well for sure. Yeah, but I think I'd rather
spend the money on the cruise because everybody says you
actually get to meet like your kids get to meet
the characters, and it's a lot. It's just it's much.
I mean, obviously you're not at the theme part getting rise,
but we went there. It's like two and a half
hour wait in those lines. Unless you have a bunch
of money to pay to jump to the front of
the line. Anyways, go on with your stories too.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Are you sure? Yeah, okay, the story comes to us
April twenty third, twenty twenty three for Lauderdale, Florida, A Florida.
Well though, yeah, it's fairly recent that happened. The story
is very recent. A Florida woman and her family have
filed a lawsuit against Celebrity Cruises, claiming the cruise line
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and properly stored her husband's body in the ship's cooler
as opposed to the morgue after he died on board.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Mike stew was talking about I said, there's a morgue
versus a walk in cooler, and this is where we
differentiate in it's a lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, you don't want you beer next to a corpse.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
The lawsuit was filed in the U. S. District Court
for the Southern District of Florida on Wednesday. According to
the complaint, Robert L. Jones died to a cardiac event
while on the Celebrity Equinox cruise ship in August of
twenty twenty two, traveling from Fort Lauderdale to ports in
the Eastern Caribbean or Caribbean if you prefer. The lawsuit
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states that after Jones' death, his wife, Marilyn Jones, was
told that she had two options for what could be
done with her husband's body. According to lawsuit, those options
were to either have mister Jones' body removed from the
ship in San Juan, Puerto Rico, or to have his
body stored on the ship until it reached Port and
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, approximately six days from the date of
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his passing. And this, people, is why you get travel insurance,
so you can be removed in San Juan, Puerto Rico
and flown repatriots.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Okay, but that was his wife's decision. Okay, Yes, she
would have had to pay to transport his body.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
She didn't have insurance, or she was like, hey, I
just paid for this cruise.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
That's what I'm thinking. I mean, if you die from
a cardiac arrest, God rest your soul. We pay for
this cruise to we got to continue to enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
We got an excursions, we got excursions plan. We're gonna
go see the monkeys this laws, we got the beach
day ride cruise back.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
It probably was very expensive to transport the body and
they weren't going to pay for it, so.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
You could always back when you could always just call it,
say yeah, transport off follow clan with the insurance company.
Where we're going to continue on.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Well that sounds really cold though, which his body was
obviously not not okay, we're terrible people.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Too soon. It's only a year wo So Jones's body
stayed on board the ship for approximately six days, according
to the lawsuit, When the funeral services employee in Fort
Lauderdale was brought onto the ship to retrieve mister Jones's body,
his body was not located in the ship's morgue, The
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lawsuit said. Instead, mister Jones' body had been, at some
time not yet known, been moved from the ship's morgue
to a cooler on a different floor than the ship's
more but why we don't know. This story does not
even tell us what this is.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Some weird shit going on.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
We're gonna have to go to court to find out.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Wow, I want, let's go to court.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
This has not been gone to court yet, so we'll
have to wait. Now. The cooler in which mister Jones'
body was found by the few in your employee had
drinks placed outside of the cooler, so it sounded like
a drink cooler. They moved the drinks out to put
the body in there, and it was not at a
temperature which was sufficient for proper storing of a dead
body to prevent decomposition, according to the lawsuit. The lawsuit
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also says the body was found in a bag on
a palette on the floor of the cooler and that
it was in the advanced stage. It's a decomposition.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Like what, I don't understand what's going on on this ship?
When I read this story, I was like, what is
happening on this ship? How are these employees just walking
around this dead body laying on a pallette next to
the core's light?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Like, I mean, how are you fine with you? And
be like no, you people need to come get this
body out of my cooler cooler, take it to the morgue.
I'm not working in here. I mean, who are these
people that are just okay for it to be down there?
Speaker 1 (43:50):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (43:51):
And who are these people that put it down there, like, hey,
we're going to bring this down here. Maybe they had
some maintenance on the more cooler. They had to have
somebody come out and They're like, we just need to
move it for you know, a couple hours.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
And then somebody forgot to move the body back. I
would think, I think, I think you remember, the only
dead body on your entire cruise ship would be kind
of something you'd have like the cruise director be like, yeah,
let's not forget the dead body.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
That's not the cruise director's problem. I don't think that
is not Julie's problem anyway. So Marilyn Jones and her
family are asking for compensatory damages in the amount of
one million dollars.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I'll let your body rot on a palette next to
some beers for one million dollars.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
And are demanding a trial by jury.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
That's what we need, a trial by jury because they
don't want this. They don't want the cruise lines. They're
always getting out of this shit, you know, except for
they did you know who was that? You know that
was the one that was real bad when the grandpa
dropped the child or whatever, and then they and they
tried to lie and say that the family tried to
lie and s the cruise ship. It was real Caribbean,
I think, and I have to say the cruise ship
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was correct. He so you saw the video that they
had or whatever, and he he knew the glass wasn't there.
He hung the child out for over thirty seconds outside
of the glass like it was obvious, and then they
lied about it trying to get a bunch of money
from Royal croupying. That whole thing is sketchy to me, Like,
I don't understand. I got some bad vibes off that
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family and the grandpa and stuff like that, because why
would you hang your eighteen month old granddaughter and then
try to sue the cruise line for a bunch of money.
I'm just saying a little sketchy, A little sketchy.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah, that was terrible. I can't even think about that.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah, because we started panicking. I was like, oh my god,
are these children going to acidentally fall off this cruise ship?
And then I looked it up and it's very difficult
for a child to fall off a cruise ship. It
doesn't happen. That's why whenever it does happen, it's like
in the news. And then this whole thing when you
first read it and what the family says, whenever you
first just hear about it, it's like, oh, well, there
was glass there and it just went away or we
didn't know there wasn't glass there, and then you actually
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start looking at it makes you feel better because I mean,
it makes you feel better about the fact that they
can't accidentally fall off a cruise ship. The baby was
intentionally put over the window and hung outside for a
long period of time. This was not like a quick
little Michael Jackson thing. Yeah, this was a and then
for them to have to try to sue for money
is like sketchy to me. But I'm a pessimistic person
(46:17):
that doesn't see the good in anybody.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
So now.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Anyways, still alive today though because of it almost got
taken when I was that four year old little girl.
When I was four. We told the story last time
about me being scared of the teenagers in the truck.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
You weren't going to be taken.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
It's not going to be taken, at least not without
a fight.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
You had a special set of skills anyway.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
So we'll see. Maybe this will get some more information
because I don't understand how the body was in the
morgue and got removed from the morgue. They obviously didn't
have like we had read. There's like three to four
spots for bodies on these cruise ships. They're obviously what
I think that would have been mentioned, like there was
multiple deaths on this, so they ran out a room
something like that, there's something weird going on, and for
(47:04):
the employees just to be like very casual about it all.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I configure as there was maintenance on that cooling unit
for the Morgan it was supposed to be a temporary
move what they my logical guess, and then they forgot
about it somehow.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Well, what they should have done if there was maintenance,
they should have told a lady there's been something going
on with the Morgue units. We need to work on him.
So we're gonna have to get him off at the
next port and we'll fly him. We'll pay to fly
him back his return his body to the United States.
But anyways, all right, so that's our cruise ship themed episode.
Since we're going on a cruise, we're going out of Galveston.
(47:41):
We're staying at a haunted hotel. I didn't even know
it was haunted. I just picked it and then come
to find out it's haunted. So we might do something
on that, maybe kind of like the Crescent hotel. Yeah,
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real cool.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
You posted those. No, I'm going to when.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
When we're on the when I unpack everything on the
cruise ship so I can show everybuddy how I did it,
and like what my little all the tips I found,
all the little things I found to pack to hopefully
make things go better.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
So we shall see. So if it goes to hell,
then you're not posting.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
I'm not posting it. It will just be like it never happened.
Pretend this conversation never happens. But all right, I guess
we will again. Maybe not. There won't be an episode
next week. Might just be catching up on a little
less messes and stuff. So I guess we will see
you next time. Bye, everyone, say bye ste Bias.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Do tell you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shots
by not being else. It's working at sigu is worried
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I'm care here, what's to do? So hast right? All right,
so we're back this week. We're actually doing a kind
of a special episode because we are going on if
you heard last week, we're talking about we're going on
a cruise. This is our first cruise. Very excited. So
we will have well, there's gonna be maybe like a
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we're trying. I'm gonna try to put something out next week,
but I may just catch up on the a little
less messes that we're behind on because I'm actually going
out of town for work, so we won't be in
the same room to record. So next week there may
not be a new like one of these types of episodes.
But so so sorry about that, are you? Well? We
(01:03):
you know we still we both work full time. I
have to travel for work a lot. We have two
small children. You know, there's a lot going on. Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Anyways, but we are trying to justify this to mayor
or somebody else, I mean to them, Well you're looking
like I need to acknowledge.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That the public anyway, So yeah, next week there won't be
a new episode with me and Stu but I might
try to do something because I can record something on
my own or just catch up on the a little
less message. So, but we are going on a cruise,
We're going to try to because I have to go
to town for work and then I'm gonna come back
and then we're going to be leaving. I only be
home like a day or two and then we're gonna
leave on the cruise. So we're going to try to
(01:42):
record something that evening before we head out to go
to the cruise. But we are excited if you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
We're not going to record on the cruise.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, we're not going to record.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
We're not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No, No, I'm not spending my time on the cruise
recording an episode.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Sorry, guys, you're not that deadic.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I'm not that dead anyway. So hopefully we don't have
a gap of two weeks, but we're gonna try just
to have a gap of one week. But anyway, so
this is a special episode because we are going on
a cruise. I found a whole series on Discovery, like
Discovery Network, on the ID channel, there's Discovery app about
cruise ship killers. So, like, I didn't realize there were
(02:20):
so many people got murdered on cruises. I thought it
was like a pretty rare event. But they had enough
for two seasons, like twenty plus episodes per season, and
these weren't just like your typical throwing people overboard and
everything that some people were like murdered in their room.
And it's like, how do you not think you're gonna
get caught stabbing someone in your cat in your stateroom.
(02:41):
I don't understand that. So anyways, so we're gonna do
a special one, this one that is a cruise out
of Florida, so technically it's still in the South. But anyways,
let's just do the stuff that Stu hates. Patreon dot com,
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We are.
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all the little cruise packing tips I got. So when
we get there, I'll show you how I set up
our stateroom. Because we have two small children. One of
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the other ones at Toddler. So I'm gonna show you
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guess that's it. Stu, Yes, are you still with us?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I am with Youhanni.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
All right, So with all of that, let's go ahead
and get into this week's episode. Tamara Lorraine Tucker was
born January seventeenth, nineteen sixty eight, to William and Wanda
Tucker in Rolla, Missouri. I guess unpronounced that right? Rl
La sure, Rolla. I don't know how else rolla who knows?
(04:22):
Who knows what these names are? And be like it's
pronounced relala.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
A freaking comment somewhere.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So Tamara would have a son, Jonathan Tucker in June
of nineteen ninety one. Her passion in life was teaching
and helping with helping children that were in abusive situations.
She served as a program director at at Child Abuse
Prevention Association, where she led policy change on both I
cannot read today's story, where she led policy change on
(04:51):
both the state and national level and advanced child education
and support. So she's like this was her main passion
in life was helping children, try to help rescue them
from these abusive situations and then give them the resources
to be able to overcome this.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And grow up in and pass laws to help help.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Prevent and help support these kids once because you know,
we've seen it lots of times kids get pulled out
abusive situations, but then they get sent it to the
foster system and then well, I mean not all of them,
but there are people that just you hear stories all
the time about people that get the foster kids because
they get the money for fostering kids. I mean, we
have friends that foster children and they're they're absolutely wonderful
(05:34):
and they love the children and everything that, But there
are those cases where you hear about the foster parents
just taken in kids so they can get money and
stuff like that, and yeah, I guess or they could
be an abusive situation. I've been listening to the Karen
Slaughter books, the Will Trent series, so I have some
(05:55):
Really he was in the foster system, and Will Trent was,
if anyways, familiar, and I've just if anybody's read her books,
they're very dark. So I've heard horror stories about the
foster's system even though it was fictional in this I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It happens based on some of.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It, probably based on something she's.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Some actual events that have happened.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So anyway, so she's working in this child abuse Abuse
Prevention Association. She's making all these changes and then starting
in two thousand and eight, she became a professor for
Park University, teaching social work. Now her students loved her.
She was a favorite teacher on campus. Tamara had many
interests along with teaching. These included travel, photography, gardening, and genealogy,
(06:39):
just to name a few. She was she had like
a passion for life, love doing all sorts of things.
She had all sorts of hobbies. Now, she was described
as eclectic as you can imagine, even signing all of
her emails with namas day Stuart.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Oh Lord, yeah, a little Haippie type.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, a little bit. Now. She lived a very full life,
and when her son had a daughter, she embraced her
role as grandmother and doated on her granddaughter. Now, at
some point, Tamara meets Eric Newman. Eric is a heavy
equipment operator living into Peka, Kansas. Now. The two hit
it off and it is the start of a long
term relationship for Tamara. She calls Eric the love of
(07:18):
her life, and they seem very happy together. They were
She still lived in Missouri and he lived in Tapeka, Kansas.
I didn't look at how far those were. I think
maybe an hour away or something like that. But anyways,
they didn't live together, but they were long. They were
just kind of more of a I guess, a modern relationship.
They weren't getting married or anything, but they were. They
were together for a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
They were together. It sounds like they were an hour apart.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Well, they were together anyways.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
On January twenty eighth or eighteenth, twenty eighteen, Tamara and
Eric had to Jacksonville, Florida to embark on a four
day cruise to the Bahamas.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
That's the party cruise.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Let me tell you to Carnival stuffs.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Well, oh yeah, yeah, we'll read what both they were on.
But because what I read, so we're going on a
seven day cruise and we're going on Royal Caribbean. Because
what I heard was it's not necessarily it's not necessarily
that it's Carnival or Royal Caribbean or any of them.
It's the length of the cruise you got to look at.
So like, just because it's Carnival, a seven day cruise
on a Carnival is gonna be a lot more tame
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than a three or four day cruise on a Carnival
or Royal Caribbean. Because it's the group of people. You're
gonna get young people that maybe can't afford a full
seven day one or have a short period of time
like a weekend, and they're on the booze cruise. They're
going for it, you know. But the seven day one
you might get, especially if you get into like ten
day or fourteen day they say, it's a bunch of
like old people on the ship.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
That's what you get to well, these young people have
bought the drink package. You can drink not to mention
that get the money right.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, not to mention we learn because of the whole
drink package thing. They say cruises are it seems like
cruises are inexpensive, but they're not because then you got
to pay for the drink package. Well, you have to
pay for everybody in your cabin, and you have to
pay for it every single day, even port days. So
if you're a younger person that maybe's like in your
twenties or whatever that's want to go party, you can't
afford seven days for a drink package for two people
(09:14):
was like eleven or twelve hundred dollars. It's like ridiculous.
So a short one four days. You only have to
pay for four days of the boot of the alcohol
package and.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's usually only one or two parts in there.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, so so they're definitely on like the more of
the booze cruise party.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
She is eclectic, she has eclectic.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
There's nothing wrong with that either. I mean she's wrong woman, go.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Have fun, nah, I guess, but I mean I don't
know if my lever.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Case, oh I know at that age, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
She's she's fifty, trying to drink her weight.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well, we don't know, we don't know her drinking her tolerance. Yeah, anyways, anyway,
I was just going to share that what I learned
about the cruise lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Why, thank you? Okay, are you going to anyway? Yes,
I did lose my spot. They were on their way
to celebrate Tamara's fiftieth birthday and this was a gift
from Tamara's parents. The cruise was the Carnival Elation and
the ship Carnival Ship holds almost twenty two hundred guests
(10:19):
and nine hundred crew members. It was built in nineteen
ninety eight, so it's not as large as some of
those ones you see on Mighty cruise ship shows that
Stu may watch.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, we've been watching them, Moneys. We're going on the
We're going on the Oas, one of the Oasis class
ships from Royal Caribbeans. So those are the really big ships.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
One of the ones that holds approximately five thousand people.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, so if we go down, we're making the news.
People for ship goes down.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Really, I think any cruise ship that sanks will make
the news.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, I started reading about cruise ships sinking and stuff,
and they said that they're so large now, these really
big ones, that you could evacuate everybody by the time
if it did start sinking, like it's not it's going
to take so long to sink, you could actually evacuate everybody.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
We will see in case it has toad. Anyway, the
Carnival Elation is operating in the day. In case you're
one of those weirdos that likes to go.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It is operating today.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, yes, that's what I just said.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Oh did I put that in there?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
No, I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Okay, well I looked it up too. It is operating today.
I think they're working out a floor right now. Right now,
Well not today, But when I wrote this, I wanted
to see. I mean, it's just weird that somebody. But
there's lots of cruise ship that people died on and
they're still out there, just chugging around.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
They cost a lot of day of money to build.
You can't just shut one down just because somebody died
on it.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I know some of these were like on our mighty
cruise ship we were watching like a billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yes, they got to operate for quite some time to
get their money, right, Okay. Anyway, Tamara is very excited
about the cruise because her job she deals with heavy
things such as child abuse, social work, just all the
ins and outs. I mean, I can't even imagine. It's
kind of like first responders. You can get to see
how this crap happening there in the day.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's just a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, it's a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I wouldn't I couldn't do that job. Or they say,
the other really bad job is the one the people
that have to do the image checks on like Google,
that sit in a room and have anything that's flagged
have to look at it. Oh yeah, and they said
that that people don't last very long in that job.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Now you see some messed up stuff, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Because there's people getting murdered, people doing things to animals,
probably child.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Abuse, all sorts of war, and all kinds of weird
stuff that people are trying to put on the internet. Anyway, Yeah,
so based on her job, she's excited to go on
this cruise. Laugh them at all. So they board the
crewise her and Eric, and they check out all the
ship pass to offer. Now, since it was Tamara's birthday,
the ship did make sure that her time was very special.
(12:47):
They eat dinner that evening, and then they head to
one of the party areas where they can drink, dance,
and watch them entertainment.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Not strippers do, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Now, there's no strippers on these now. After quite a
bit of drinking, at around eleven thirty PM, Tabara decides
that she's tired, so she heads up to the room,
leaving Eric at the lounge to continue drinking and enjoying
his evening. That's a red flag.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Why is it a red flag? They're on a ship.
If I left, if you I was done drinking and
I left you and I was like I'm tired, and
you were like I'm gonna hang out for and have
another drink or Job'll be like.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Okay, why why on this cruise ship with all these
weird people that you don't know?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
No, but why, I wouldn't think anything of it if
I was to leave and be like, hey, Stue, I'm tired.
I'm gonna go up and go to bed, and you're like, hey, ye,
I'm gonna finish my drinking. I'll meet you up there
and be like.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Okay, well, what are you gonna do by yourself?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Drinking people please, used to sit in bars all the
time and drink by yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I didn't have no one to be home to though.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Okay, well, I appreciate you'd want to go up to
go to the bedroom with me. I appreciate your dedication
to me.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I'm just saying if I was going to go to
bed and you're like, yeah, I'm gonna be down here drinking,
I'd be like, oh that's fishy.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
M really yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You end up in one of them rooms with pineapple
on the door or something.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I know, I did read that like we got like decorations.
I was gonna surprise the kids and like, I know
they're little, but I just go overboard anyway, so you
might I was gonna deck shut up stew Oh my god,
I walked right into that one. Anyways, I decorated thing,
(14:26):
but everybody was like in the cruise group, I mean,
was like, don't put pineapples on your door because apparently
it's a real thing. The swingers.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I told you. I've told you plenty of times.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Anyways, so I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Anyways, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Put pineapples outside your house either. I did buy that
pineapple light for our other house. I bought that outdoor
pineapple light, and there was.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
A bunch of people starting knocking on our doorway to
take it out. Anyways, Anyways, now, sometime past midnight, when
they were about thirty nine aicle miles from Florida, Eric
and crew members make a horrific discovery. Tamara's lifeless body
is found on the eleventh deck and it appeared that
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she had fallen from their fourteenth deck balcony.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Medical personnel from the ship arrive on scene. They attempt
to save Tamara, but it was just too late. She
was already gone. The medical team pulls Tamara's blood and
is measured to be at point two two percent, which
everybody knows around here the legal limit for driving is
point eight percent, So point.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Two two is like she's smashed.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
She's yeah, she's schlitz, which there's nothing wrong with that.
She's in a controlled environment, she's not driving like whatever.
I'm sure we've all been there, I'm sure you have.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Experts say that at this point Tamara would have blurred
vision from this this most people would have this type
of reaction. This blurred vision and an inability to stand
on her own. Now, blackouts could even occur at this level. Now,
looking back at the amount that they were served, it
came up to twenty one drinks between the two of
them in a four hour period. I don't know who
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drank what, but twenty one drinks between two people in
four hours.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
That's a lot. Now, due to being in international waters,
the closest officials were called in and this is the
Central Detective Unit from Grand Bahama. Now the officials are
looking at the options as to what could have possibly
happened to Tamara. This could have been an accident, a suicide,
or someone pushing her overboard.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Stuart, Hmmm, that's what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
To me now, Looking you're the one that said that
I was going overboard.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I said you might. You said you were going overboard.
I said you might.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Everybody, if I don't make it back from this, do
not listen to this podcast with Stuart's new wife, that
he can my girlfriend or fiance, that he continues this.
He's like, in loving memory of Kara, we're going to
continue on by covering her murder.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yes, that.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
This this podcast would blow up if one of us
got murdered. To who wants to take one for.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
The tea, not me, I wouldn't be able to enjoy
the revenue.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Now, looking at Stewart, you should really just be generous
and I can shove you overboard. Now, looking at it
from an accident standpoint, while Tamara was highly intoxicated, the
railings on cruise ships are designed to prevent people from
accidentally falling over them. Now, by law, cruise ship railings
must be forty two inches tall, with a three inch
variants allowed, meaning it could be as short as thirty
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nine inches or as tall as forty five inches. Now,
Tamara would have needed to intentionally climb on top of
the railing to fall over. Now investigators need to look
at it as a possibility. Although falling over a relling
on a cruise ship is rare, but it does happen,
so they say. Whenever they had the experts that I
watched through in this, they said, it's just very difficult
(17:52):
to accidentally follow. You have to really be like climbing
up on top of the railing.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So doing something stupid, yeah, stupid.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
But with the point too too alcohol blood alcohol content.
People do stupid things all the time, Yes they do.
There's a whole industry in Vegas based on them. Y, it's.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Called wedding chat. Yes, So then they started looking at
an intentional jump suicide of some sort. So they looking
to Tamara's past to see if there were any warning
signs or previous suicide attempts. She had never tried to
commit suicide in the past, and she had never mentioned
feeling hopeless to friends or family. She had a love
(18:34):
for life and excellent relationships with friends, students, and family members.
So none of these were any signs of pointing to
Tamara Bean suicidal.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah. I mean, it doesn't mean like someone's always displays,
but usually there's some sort of indication that this would
have suicidal tendencies or something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I have tendencies.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That's a band, right, yes, okay, the band.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, I got a couple other albums.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Anyway, they quickly rule this out as an option as
to what happened to Tamara.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Now, investigators interview Eric to see if he saw something
or saw someone following Tamara. He tells the police that
he left about twenty minutes after Tamara. He then entered
the room and looked over the rally and saw Tamara
lying several decks down, so he goes in, can't find her,
goes out to the balcony looking. It happens to look
overboard and then he sees her. He then runs down
(19:29):
to go to help her see if she's still alive.
He told investigators he saw no one suspicious that evening
around Tamara. This is where he made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
He should have said people.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah. Now there is little to no more information to
get out of Eric, so they release him. Tamara's body
undergoes an autopsy. It was determined that she died from
blunt force trauma due to the fall. Since she was
an American citizen, the Grand Bahaman Bahaman Bohemian Bohemian Bahaman,
the government turns over the investigation to the FBI. Now
(20:03):
this isn't a requirement, but they said, I read in
like the cruise ship situations like this most of the time.
The other ones are just like here, the FBI, we
don't want to do this, Okay, take it now. Tamara's
body is sent back to the United States. Her family
and Eric are grieving the loss of Tamara. Eric starts
posting many times on his social media about losing love
(20:25):
his life. Starts a whole Facebook page dedicated to Sarah's
Sarah Jesus.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Christ is with you, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I told you I've been reading the Will Trent books.
That's Sarah Linton. I mean, I've been in these books
to it. That's all I've I've been listening to the audiobooks.
That's all I've listened to. The last like how many
ever days, I've foregone any podcast or anything, and I've
just been like listened to him. So Sarah Tamara at
least it rhymes. So he's he creates a Facebook page
(20:57):
dedicated to Tamara's life, so people are going on there
and interacting with people all the time. Like he's really
into this like social media persona of himself as the
Green I don't know, he's just like really really into
like posting about how upset he is about Tamra and
everything that and interacting with strangers. Because obviously someone dies
(21:18):
on a cruise ship, it's going to make the news.
So then there's always people that are going to be
have like this, you know, people that won't want to
reach out and like I'm so sorry. And he's like
he's like in instick.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Same people that write the Prisoners and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, well I don't know if it's the same people,
but well, not.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The same people, but the same type of mentality.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, or like people want.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
To like celebrities that like, I'm going to write this
letter to this so and so and maybe they'll see
it and we'll live happily.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Ever after No, I don't know. That's not even remotely closed.
Just some people feel some people some people feel very
empathetic to other people. I'm not I have a hard
time with that. But they have empathy and they want
to reach out to somebody and tell him how sorry
they are that they lost a loved one and everything
like that. So this same it's not the same people
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that are writing to prisoners.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Well after this, praise y'all. Do not have to write
to me when I'm dead or missing.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Don't you haven't decided how you're gonna how it's gonna
play out.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean, I don't know what could happened in Okay.
Tamara's family continued to wait for results from the investigation.
The FBI was conducting a medical examiner in the US
completed in another optop so you to look for any
signs of foul play, and the results, according to them,
were eye opening. Because Tamara had signs of being strangled
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prior to fall into our death.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think this is why they release these some of
these smaller islands. I mean, obviously they're not going to
have as many resources as say the FBI or a
larger country does with in terms of investigation. So it's
a good thing that they do say, you know what,
we might not be able to handle this the best,
and they handed over were to the FBI, who was
able to figure this out, because otherwise it would have
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just been she fell and that's it. You know, there
was no other evidence than anything bad happened.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Plus, why would you want to spend your country's resources
and money on investigations when you can hand it off
to the hotel?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Oh yeah, and there's no point where like we're trying
to like live our lives in paradise.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
We're trying to make money and we don't want to
be spending it on investigating. Yeah you're citizens, Yeah, how
about you with that?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So basically what this means is her death was no accident.
So the family isn't shocked. Police believe Eric is responsible,
but they only knew the couple as being very happy.
He had been in constant contact with Tamara's family after
her death, telling them that he missed her so much
and that she was the love of his life.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah again, they said they were just he was just
caught like still like they had been together, you know,
a decade. So he was still reaching out to the
family saying, Oh my god, am I supposed to go
on with doubt her? She's living my life and he's
doing all this Facebook stuff, social media stuff, saying how
much he loved her. I mean, yeah, doth protest too much? Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
What happens if you don't protest at all? Oh that sucks.
I gotta go to work.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, well you can't. You gotta get the happy medium.
Otherwise you look guilty.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You're gonna look guilty regardless of Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I don't think there is a happy medium, because somebody's always.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Gonna be like the husband always did it.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
You just ain't quiet enough.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
The husband always did it?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What if it was the boyfriend?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
The boyfriend always did it? Shut up stew Jesus.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Now, based on the evidence they collected the night of
the murder, Eric is the only one who could have
had access to Tamara and a motive to Harmer. On
September fifth, twenty eighteen, they arrest him and charge him
with second degree murder. He denies the allegations, but they
get him anyway, and he posts fifty thousand DOS bond
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and gets out of.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Jail to go back to his social media go.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Back to his social media post.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Now, due to the murder occurring offshore, the case is
taken by federal prosecutors who begin building the case against
Eric now and looking into his past, there are several
red flags that he is a violent man. Now. In total,
they find four misdemeanor convictions from Kansas from two thousand
to twenty thirteen. Three of those involved an ex fiancee
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and an ex wife where he had strangled them in
some way. So this is like, and this is happening
while this is happening while Tamara and Eric are together,
that he's that he's convicted of these things. But I'm
telling they seem to live they work together, but they
live separate lives almost you know that he's an hour
or however far Topeka was from where she was. They
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weren't living together in this It wasn't a typical relationship
where you might be aware of stuff like this. It
was like a long distance relationship and long distance man
they can get rid of, get away with a lot
of shit. You know.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It sounds like having friends, fiances and wives and well,
I mean these.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Were extances and ex wives. I don't think he was
with I think he like met up with them at
this time and attacked him or something like that. So now,
when the family learned about his past, they were in disbelief.
They had never heard of Eric doing anything violent to Tamara.
So please are not sure if Eric had a period
where he was not violent and snapped, or if Tamara's
family was just unaware of his abuse, because they did say,
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you know, while Tamara worked with people that were like
children that were abused and like things like that, it's
not uncommon for someone who works in that to advocate
for other people. Has it happened to them? And they
might be ashamed or embarrassed to say anything because they're like, well,
I'm just I'm out here telling all these women and
children and stuff what they need to do if they're
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in an abusive relationship. And here I am in an
abusive relationship and not wanting to get out or can't
get out or whatever. It is, and no, there could be.
I mean they don't know. They're just saying it could
have been. He could have been violent. They find it
odd that he just went from not being violent at
all with Tamara, but he was still having violent episodes
with other people during this time that she didn't wasn't
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on the receiving end at some point of this of
his behavior. Maybe it wasn't as severe. I don't know,
but or maybe she was just ashamed to talk about it,
or it.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Was just verbal and no physical stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, they don't know. Or it could have been. He
could have been the greatest guy with her. And then
I mean, look at freaking BTK. His wife said he
was great. He's out there murdering people left and right,
so it could have been something like that and she
didn't even know.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
He just gets his frustrations out killing other people or
smacking them around.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, they come home and it's like when he sees Tamara,
he's just happy and like he also had the option of,
you know, they live, they didn't live together. He could
have let you know, things like that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Now, with evidence stacking up against him, Eric decides he's
going to play guilty. On December nineteen, twenty nineteen to
one count of second degree murder. He has sent us
to twelve years in prison with five years of probation
in federal prison.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I think he saw the writing on the wall, because
I do I believe there were I thought someone that
one of the shows had mentioned there were cameras. I
couldn't find it. There wasn't a lot of information about this,
besides in the cruise ship Killers no episode, So but uh,
there would have been cameras I believe in on those
ships because this is twenty eighteen, and they would have
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showed him as the only person who entered the room.
I mean, like it was all a question as to
that that autopsy is really what did he meant? Because
before they could there was no proof that he pushed
her she was They just said she's drug and she
fell over. They knew he was the only one that
went in the room. But once they found out that
they knew he was only in the room and she
was strangled, So that I mean, like his.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Lawyers cameras in the hallway would have.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Been like, yeah, that was They knew he was the
only one that had gone in the room. They just
didn't know was it an accident that she had already
fallen or was it him doing that? And thankfully that
autopsy revealed that, so he saw his lawyers are probably like, dude,
you ain't getting away with this.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
They're going to play it out. You're going to forty
years because.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You're going to federal prison. This isn't like state prison.
This is federal prison.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I'm sure they all suck.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I know they also, But I've heard federal prison is worse.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, I've heard stories about saying Quentin and Angola.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I wouldn't want to be particularly bad.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I wouldn't want to be in those either.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I think those are particularly bad ones. But I've heard
federal prison is worse, or maybe federal prison is nicer.
I don't know anybody who's been in the two.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Could you please let us know or not? I don't
know if I want what you want to know?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
They might be listening in their JEL sales right now.
Stew I've have podcasts on the Stuart we what were
we watching that said that what they had available? We
were watching something or something. It was all about everything
they got, like iPads and all sorts of things in prison.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Now, yeah, somebody did have an iPad.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, they were. It was something, and it was a
really terrible person too. It wasn't like one of these
like drug offens things. It was like a real bad
person and he had access to iPads. And so, yeah,
there might be some listeners out there in prison.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well they are not contacting, and says of.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yet, Well we did remember we covered that one where
the lady was married to the guy and he would
write her letters and then she would put it out
on his blog.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, but I knew the girl that was in the
lily Lid.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Okay, anyways, we're going somewhere anyway.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Okay, So anyway, Eric plaid out, but he didn't say
what happened, so prosecutors were left to speculate as to
what happened. And so what they're figuring out is they
start off, they start off, everything's going great. First night
on the ship or whatever it is. Second night, they're
getting drunk, way too many, going down, going down too fast,
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and something is. Eric gets triggered and he follows Tamara
back to the room shortly after she left the lound.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Maybe it was her wanting to leave. You know, you
never know what these guys because a lot of guys,
they say, you know, aren't violent until they get they
start drinking, then all of a sudden they snap. It
could have been her saying I want to go to bed,
I'm tired, and him getting pissed off about that. It
could have been something as simple as that, that they
these guys that are abusive. That just sets them off
for no reason.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
What do you know about that? What you've read? Yes,
he's kind of like an expert.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Well that's maybe I am Stuart, Maybe I am Maybe
I know it all. Maybe I'm Bethany Frankel and I
know it all. Oh, she knows it all. You want
to know any of it?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Go to her anyway. Prosecutors speculate that while in the room,
they get into an argument, he snaps starts strangling Tomara.
He then pushes her out onto the balcony and then
eventually over the balcony. He then runs down to the
eleventh floor, pretending to be surprised to find her because
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he was supposedly in the lounge. Still, he went back
to the room, saw and then went back down. Yeah, anyway,
however you slice that, the story sounds full of crap,
But anyway, that was the speculation. That the prosecutors had
as to what actually happened, since Eric was not with
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anything that happened.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Now, Tamara's family does not want her to be remembered
for the way that she died, rather for the for
the people she spent her life helping. They are pushing
lawmakers to create a database similar to the sex offender database,
but for domestic violence offenders, which I think is a
good thing. Yeah, if you have if you're a violence
domestic violent person or whatever, so you can look him
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up on the Yeah, you can, just like sex offenders.
I mean, why wouldn't you want to know that someone
has like beat his wife or something and you can
look him up on a database and know that he's
been charged at least.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
There's so what if federal law makes like if you
got a dating profile that you can just click at
their link.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, it should be in the link. The sex offender
database and the domestic violence database should be in the
dating profiles right there, automatically required to be linked, so
you can see.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
They see a lot of people out on the dating side.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
More so, I think that's a great thing to be
advocating for.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
They say that this would have allowed Tamara or her
family to see Eric's violent pass prior to her starting
relationship with him, so she might have seen it, or
her family could have looked him up and seen that
Tamara might have been if he was abusive to Tamara
during the time, they could have seen that who he
was and said, you know, intervened and tried to get
her out of that situation. Now, Eric Dwayne Newman is
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currently serving out his sentence in uh this is FCI
set's Federal Corrections Institute Institute.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I think I would thank so somebody would research that.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
FCI Williamsburg in South Carolina. He is scheduled to be
released on September fifteenth, twenty thirty.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
So shortly, yeah, seven years. Shortly.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
He's not been This happened in twenty eighteen. He hadn't
even been in jail that long.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
He got twelve years.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, he's got seven more.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Knocking him down.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Well, he'll be what twelve, he'll be sixty two or
some somewhere around in there. He was like fifty or
fifty five, I think. Anyways, So now because I got
interested in since we're going on a cruise, I usually
get overly interested in things like that or like if
we're going to go do something. So then I start
looking up things. I'm sure all of you are like
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that as well. You just like you're like, let me
go down the rabbit hole. So I know how to
pack for a cruise. Now, we've watched the mighty cruise ships.
We watched the one that go to Antarctica.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It's probably how I ended up going on a cruise.
We're watching mighty cruise ships before then.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Anyways, I've been looking at all the cruise ships. So
I found some creepy facts about cruises to that I
was going to share with everybody, things I found surprising. Now,
there was a study published in the International Journal of Travel,
Medicine and Global Health found that there were six hundred
and twenty three reported deaths on cruise ships between two
thousand and twenty nineteen. I find that number high globally.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I don't think that's that high globally dead, just dead and.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Twenty three deaths. Now, the study concluded that for passengers,
falls were the most common cause of cruise deaths, followed
by cardiac arrests and suicides. Now, for crew members, suicide, murder,
and falls were the leading cause of death. So they
had suicides them cruise just murdering each other were the
global Okay, whatever, and you don't find it.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Short nineteen years. No, that's not that, man.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I thought one or two people died on a cruise ship.
It's like people getting killed by a blimp. It's like
one a year or something. I didn't realize it was
six hundred and twenty three. I guess, Okay, fine, then
whatever' stu? Fine, okay, fine, Let me move on to
the next fact I found on this is better. Cruise
ships are legally required to carry body bags and maintain
a morgue. They typically have space for three or four bodies,
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depending on the size of the ship. That's creepy.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
It's called a walking cooler.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
No, no, I sent you, potato. Are you gonna do
the y'all need Jesus that I sent you about cruise
ship to go along with this theme, I suppose I
can about a walk in cooler.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I suppose I could.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Okay. My last one is cruise ships have brigs, which
is the nautical term for gel on a vessel, including
a cruise ship. Now I know people know this that
have selled at sea. It's called a brig, but I
wanted to tell you where the word came from. It
came from the word brigantine, which is a type of
two masted sailing ship formally used to house criminals.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Put a bunch of criminals on a ship.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, and it was called a brigantine, so that's why
they call it the brig I did not know that. Okay, well,
there you go, because I knew you were already starting
with your little face about whenever I said the brig
you're lying. Everybody knows it's called a brig on a
ship now. Anyways, So we'll get back with the only
Jesus that I found that Stu's going to tell us about.
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But I found this one is cruise ship themed, all right, Stew,
you ready to go? This one isn't. Apparently the last
one I sent was too dark for him. He didn't
like appreciated.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I mean, it was a little dark.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I told you, I've been.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Listening a box full of genitals, and that's nothing on
different torsos.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
You should listen to the Karen Slaughter books.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Stew.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
It's nothing on that.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Okay, that's all fictionalized. This was real ship, though I.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Don't know what Karen Slaughter did in a different life.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Stewart, Okay, well she might have been the one that
put all the genitals in a box. She might have
chopped them off just saying that. Yeah, we said, maybe
we're covered legally. I think anyway, I would ask you
Florida or not Florida. But it's a cruise ship.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Oh Florida. It could be Texas they sell out of
they have those ones we were talking about that said
was called a fall foliage ones.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Oh yeah, and go up to Quebec. Yeah, up in
Canada anyway. CBS News Miami celebrity cruises improperly stored dead
body in cruise ships cooler instead of more, lawsuit can claims.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, and everybody acts like Royal Caribbean and Carnival or
the trashy ones. And then you've got celebrities supposed to
be the high fallutin and they're over here pulling.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
This celebrity hlu.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I don't know what's that one celebrity like. I think
they are just more expensive celebrity princess, the MSc nothing, nothing,
nothing tops Disney though that's the most expensive.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I don't know. I've seen some of them. No kids cruises,
they're quite expensive.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well, Virgin Atlantic has cruise ships and they're only adults,
but they're not that. No, the Disney one is just outrageous,
three times as much as this Royal Caribbean.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
You've seen their damn park ticket prices.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Huh yeah, it's insane. But I would if I were to.
I haven't been on a Disney cruise yet. Maybe day,
because I really want to go on the Halloween one. Now.
Our daughter's like obsessed with Mickey Mouse, like, I mean,
we're full in it. We're head to toe every day
Mickey Mouse. But I would never. If I don't have
to ever go back to Disney World, I'll be okay.
But I think that the cruise ship might be the better.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
What if they start sponsoring this podcast, well, I mean,
all right, selling out.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Oh well for sure. Yeah, but I think I'd rather
spend the money on the cruise because everybody says you
actually get to meet like your kids get to meet
the characters, and it's a lot. It's just it's much.
I mean, obviously you're not at the theme part getting rise,
but we went there. It's like two and a half
hour wait in those lines. Unless you have a bunch
of money to pay to jump to the front of
the line. Anyways, go on with your stories too.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Are you sure? Yeah, okay, the story comes to us
April twenty third, twenty twenty three for Lauderdale, Florida, A Florida.
Well though, yeah, it's fairly recent that happened. The story
is very recent. A Florida woman and her family have
filed a lawsuit against Celebrity Cruises, claiming the cruise line
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and properly stored her husband's body in the ship's cooler
as opposed to the morgue after he died on board.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Mike stew was talking about I said, there's a morgue
versus a walk in cooler, and this is where we
differentiate in it's a lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, you don't want you beer next to a corpse.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
The lawsuit was filed in the U. S. District Court
for the Southern District of Florida on Wednesday. According to
the complaint, Robert L. Jones died to a cardiac event
while on the Celebrity Equinox cruise ship in August of
twenty twenty two, traveling from Fort Lauderdale to ports in
the Eastern Caribbean or Caribbean if you prefer. The lawsuit
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states that after Jones' death, his wife, Marilyn Jones, was
told that she had two options for what could be
done with her husband's body. According to lawsuit, those options
were to either have mister Jones' body removed from the
ship in San Juan, Puerto Rico, or to have his
body stored on the ship until it reached Port and
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, approximately six days from the date of
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his passing. And this, people, is why you get travel insurance,
so you can be removed in San Juan, Puerto Rico
and flown repatriots.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Okay, but that was his wife's decision. Okay, Yes, she
would have had to pay to transport his body.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
She didn't have insurance, or she was like, hey, I
just paid for this cruise.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
That's what I'm thinking. I mean, if you die from
a cardiac arrest, God rest your soul. We pay for
this cruise to we got to continue to enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
We got an excursions, we got excursions plan. We're gonna
go see the monkeys this laws, we got the beach
day ride cruise back.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
It probably was very expensive to transport the body and
they weren't going to pay for it, so.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
You could always back when you could always just call it,
say yeah, transport off follow clan with the insurance company.
Where we're going to continue on.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Well that sounds really cold though, which his body was
obviously not not okay, we're terrible people.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Too soon. It's only a year wo So Jones's body
stayed on board the ship for approximately six days, according
to the lawsuit, When the funeral services employee in Fort
Lauderdale was brought onto the ship to retrieve mister Jones's body,
his body was not located in the ship's morgue, The
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lawsuit said. Instead, mister Jones' body had been, at some
time not yet known, been moved from the ship's morgue
to a cooler on a different floor than the ship's
more but why we don't know. This story does not
even tell us what this is.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Some weird shit going on.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
We're gonna have to go to court to find out.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Wow, I want, let's go to court.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
This has not been gone to court yet, so we'll
have to wait. Now. The cooler in which mister Jones'
body was found by the few in your employee had
drinks placed outside of the cooler, so it sounded like
a drink cooler. They moved the drinks out to put
the body in there, and it was not at a
temperature which was sufficient for proper storing of a dead
body to prevent decomposition, according to the lawsuit. The lawsuit
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also says the body was found in a bag on
a palette on the floor of the cooler and that
it was in the advanced stage. It's a decomposition.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Like what, I don't understand what's going on on this ship?
When I read this story, I was like, what is
happening on this ship? How are these employees just walking
around this dead body laying on a pallette next to
the core's light?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Like, I mean, how are you fine with you? And
be like no, you people need to come get this
body out of my cooler cooler, take it to the morgue.
I'm not working in here. I mean, who are these
people that are just okay for it to be down there?
Speaker 1 (43:50):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (43:51):
And who are these people that put it down there, like, hey,
we're going to bring this down here. Maybe they had
some maintenance on the more cooler. They had to have
somebody come out and They're like, we just need to
move it for you know, a couple hours.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
And then somebody forgot to move the body back. I
would think, I think, I think you remember, the only
dead body on your entire cruise ship would be kind
of something you'd have like the cruise director be like, yeah,
let's not forget the dead body.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
That's not the cruise director's problem. I don't think that
is not Julie's problem anyway. So Marilyn Jones and her
family are asking for compensatory damages in the amount of
one million dollars.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I'll let your body rot on a palette next to
some beers for one million dollars.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
And are demanding a trial by jury.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
That's what we need, a trial by jury because they
don't want this. They don't want the cruise lines. They're
always getting out of this shit, you know, except for
they did you know who was that? You know that
was the one that was real bad when the grandpa
dropped the child or whatever, and then they and they
tried to lie and say that the family tried to
lie and s the cruise ship. It was real Caribbean,
I think, and I have to say the cruise ship
(44:55):
was correct. He so you saw the video that they
had or whatever, and he he knew the glass wasn't there.
He hung the child out for over thirty seconds outside
of the glass like it was obvious, and then they
lied about it trying to get a bunch of money
from Royal croupying. That whole thing is sketchy to me, Like,
I don't understand. I got some bad vibes off that
(45:16):
family and the grandpa and stuff like that, because why
would you hang your eighteen month old granddaughter and then
try to sue the cruise line for a bunch of money.
I'm just saying a little sketchy, A little sketchy.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah, that was terrible. I can't even think about that.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah, because we started panicking. I was like, oh my god,
are these children going to acidentally fall off this cruise ship?
And then I looked it up and it's very difficult
for a child to fall off a cruise ship. It
doesn't happen. That's why whenever it does happen, it's like
in the news. And then this whole thing when you
first read it and what the family says, whenever you
first just hear about it, it's like, oh, well, there
was glass there and it just went away or we
didn't know there wasn't glass there, and then you actually
(45:52):
start looking at it makes you feel better because I mean,
it makes you feel better about the fact that they
can't accidentally fall off a cruise ship. The baby was
intentionally put over the window and hung outside for a
long period of time. This was not like a quick
little Michael Jackson thing. Yeah, this was a and then
for them to have to try to sue for money
is like sketchy to me. But I'm a pessimistic person
(46:17):
that doesn't see the good in anybody.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
So now.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Anyways, still alive today though because of it almost got
taken when I was that four year old little girl.
When I was four. We told the story last time
about me being scared of the teenagers in the truck.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
You weren't going to be taken.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
It's not going to be taken, at least not without
a fight.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
You had a special set of skills anyway.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
So we'll see. Maybe this will get some more information
because I don't understand how the body was in the
morgue and got removed from the morgue. They obviously didn't
have like we had read. There's like three to four
spots for bodies on these cruise ships. They're obviously what
I think that would have been mentioned, like there was
multiple deaths on this, so they ran out a room
something like that, there's something weird going on, and for
(47:04):
the employees just to be like very casual about it all.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I configure as there was maintenance on that cooling unit
for the Morgan it was supposed to be a temporary
move what they my logical guess, and then they forgot
about it somehow.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Well, what they should have done if there was maintenance,
they should have told a lady there's been something going
on with the Morgue units. We need to work on him.
So we're gonna have to get him off at the
next port and we'll fly him. We'll pay to fly
him back his return his body to the United States.
But anyways, all right, so that's our cruise ship themed episode.
Since we're going on a cruise, we're going out of Galveston.
(47:41):
We're staying at a haunted hotel. I didn't even know
it was haunted. I just picked it and then come
to find out it's haunted. So we might do something
on that, maybe kind of like the Crescent hotel. Yeah,
that's it. Check out the show notes to support us
on Patreon. We really appreciate everybody, And check out the
(48:01):
instagram if you want to see any cruise tips or
anything that I have got some real cool packing tips,
real cool.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
You posted those. No, I'm going to when.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
When we're on the when I unpack everything on the
cruise ship so I can show everybuddy how I did it,
and like what my little all the tips I found,
all the little things I found to pack to hopefully
make things go better.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
So we shall see. So if it goes to hell,
then you're not posting.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
I'm not posting it. It will just be like it never happened.
Pretend this conversation never happens. But all right, I guess
we will again. Maybe not. There won't be an episode
next week. Might just be catching up on a little
less messes and stuff. So I guess we will see
you next time. Bye, everyone, say bye ste Bias.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Do tell you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shots
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