48. No Buenoano

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Hello everybody, Welcome back to Blonde'sBooze and Bullshite. I'm Courtney and I'm
Davin, and welcome back, Welcomeback, Welcome to our ship show.
Yes, the ship Show is hereagain week after week, not week after
week. Sometimes we miss a week, but you know we're here this time.
They did have a Yeah. Yeah, last week we had to miss
because me and it was short note. So thank you so much for being

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accommodating. Now I'm just like,Wow, I just gonna stay at home
and like read or something. Idon't have to do anything now whatever.
Yeah, I had to do someovertime and then I had to and I
went up to um Prescott to seeone one of my best friends, you
and I. I freaking love her. Yeah, she's funny, she's uh,

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she's awesome. She's we've known eachother for forever since for twenty something
years we were young high schoolers.The worst times ever. Oh my god,
we were so bad. Like sometimeswe sit we'll talk about like the
ship that we used to do,and we're like yeah, like and we're
sore, and our kids are allcompared to us of when we were that

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age, all of our kids,it's pretty good. Pretty good. Yeah,
we're pretty much on top right now, like we're like we're doing like,
hey, look at us, we'redoing better. They're not doing this
like we did. So I wentand it's so funny because I get into
my nephew, my nephew sixteen.So I get into his truck and he
has a whole stereo system, Imean the one stereo system, like you

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can't breathe properly that I need tothat. He so he puts on,
you know, whatever music he does, and I was like, I was
like, no, we're gonna puton an old school rep because that's where
the base is at. So Iput on an easy Boys in the Hood
mute would and then yeah, ofcourse I would, and um yeah,

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so we were we were bumping.Oh dear god, we were bumping.
They were bumping. I was likemmmmm, and his mom's like taking a
video of me, and I'm like, my nephew is like what the He's
like, can you stop? Idon't know what that is? Like,
Oh no, you're with Startney now. Oh gosh, um what we may
need to change the name of ourshow. I know, Oh my god,

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I know. I didn't tell youI didn't consult you when I went
brunette. I dyed my hair.I'm no longer a blonde. Yeah,
so we're done bullshite, bland,brunette, booze, bullshite, Like,
how does this work? You mighthave to change your name, we might
have to do a rebranding, yourrebrand or I'm just going to keep it.
And then like when people say,you know what I like, you

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know what I did? Um,I did this before, and I always
came back to blonde. So ohyeah, Um, I went to brown
for a little bit. Remember whenI went through that red face? Yeah,
do you remember that face that Iliked that color on dark burgundy?
It was almost like, yeah,it was like a burgundy auburn kind of

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color. I liked that a loton you. It was very like scene
because you had the long hair,and it was like, oh it was
so pretty. Loved it, thankyou. But yeah, and then I
just I'm I'm I'm a blonde forever. I tried to go to the darker
side and I'm light and airy overhere. Yeah. No, I've had
like my hair is naturally dark andfor most of my like high school,

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except one time, and I triedto go blonde and like have my friend
do it. Um, Like Idid have like that orangey kind of blonde
color, which was okay, butI've always been brunette, and like tell
recently and then like the last fewyears I've been doing blonde, I was
like, I'm tired. I don'twant to do it anymore. Upkeep yeah,
and I was like, I'm notdoing it, like you know,
my hair stylus is great, butI'm not doing purple shampoo and upkeeping it.

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And I also like don't like howit looks in some areas because I'm
not taking care of it. AndI'm like, okay, I'm just no,
I'll go in for a haircut andlike glaze my hair and like make
it shiny. But exactly, I'mgonna save so much money. I'm not
going to be in there like everytwo months. It takes forever to do
blonde process. Yeah, It's likeI'm there for like two hours. Like
this did take a little bit obviouslybecause she had to like do all this

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stuff so that it could be thisbrown. Oh yeah, yeah, you
have to. You have to makesure you're doing the proper things or your
hair it's gonna be different color.Yeah. She was like, if we
don't, it's gonna be green.I was like, I trust you,
Like I just didn't know what thiswas. Like. If this is what
I gotta do, then we're gonnado it. Whatever it works. So

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I'm on the dark side and I'mreally happy about it, and I love
it, and it's spooky season forthe rest of my life. At least
I'm celebrating. I went to speakingof I went to Spirit, went to
Michael's. Spent so much money.But my Halloween decorations are on point.
I saw that pretty fucking saw alittle bit of it. Yeah, like
that's part of it. And Ihave these little like little vase like those
black beetle juices. I love thebeetle juice, the beetle juice wreath I

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have. Yeah, I love itand like these little skulls and love it.
I'm so excited. It's so funny. Halloween is not my Oh it's
my dam ready, Yeah, it'snever been my Like I was like,
Candy, Um, I do havea book recommendation for spooky season? Oh
good? So um. I justfinished this the other day. What's to

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today's Saturday? I think I finishedon Thursday. Yes, finished on Thursday.
It's called It Will Just Be Usby Joe Kaplan And by the time
this comes out, it would havealready been out for a week. Oh,
I believes it's accessible for people.Oka. Yeah, so it'll be
accessible. In the eighth it's byCrooked Waine Books and it is a ghost
story kind of on part with likeHunting of Hillhouse, which, speaking of

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the new season comes out in October, so October that and Unsolved Mysteries Living
it up so fucking ruddy. Anyways, So are you on do you have
do you do the Roku TV whereyou can watch that twenty four secs on
Hulu? I know, I know, but they have a channel. No.
I need to check because I dolike that murder made me famous my
podcast too. I'm going to whenwe're done here, I'll go on that

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thing and I'll show you. Ohyeah, we should play it while we
eat. That'd be nice. Yeah, some more true crime, which we
have. We have some beef abouttrue crime in a second. We have
a lot of housekeeping stuff. Nice. Anyways, It'll Just be Us.
That's like the only ghost story thatI've read that actually scared me or like
creeped me out, which is sayinga lot Like I posted my review on
Instagram today and people are like,whoa, if it creeped you out,

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then like either one I don't readit, or two I definitely need to
read it. And I'm like,there was just certain scenes where I'm like,
oh no, runaway by leave likethat's nope, can't do it.
That's I'm like, there was justsomething where I could just picture it so
perfectly, and I'm just like,no, nope, nope, not for

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me. I'm out, Wow,goodbye. So what was the scene?
One of them? So one ofthe scenes is like the whole premise,
as you know, they live inthis house called Wakefield Manner and it's very
on par for them, Like somethinghappens with the house and you learn more
about its history. But basically theysee like glimpses of their ancestors passed through,

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like these ghostly images. So likeyou know, like the grandmother will
like appear on the bed in herlast dying moments of TB and like you
just start hearing this coughing and stuff, and so like these things will pop
up, but they know who itare and it's always in the past.
And then they she starts seeing thisboy who has no face and she's like
okay, like who are you?This is weird. And there's this one

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scene where he is standing outside hersister's door who just moved home, and
he starts appearing when her sister comeshome, and her sister's pregnant, so
she's like okay, And there's ascene where she sees him outside her sister's
door and is like m and likegoes to her door and he's like banging
on her door with like he haslike a knife or something, and it
is like supposed to be a ghostbasically, but he like put like then

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this sentence was he put his mouthup against the steam of the door and
sort of talking. I was like, I'm out, I am out.
That is gross. I can justpicture someone with their face up against the
door where they talk like that whenthey're in the bathroom. I would punch
you. That's disgusting. That's whatI do. I don't know what it
is, but doesn't the way thewriter, but the writer's really good.

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Oh that would creep me out ifthat was fucking real. Yeah, like
yeah, if it was like ifI was in that situation, there was
like some like attacker or a ghostor something like a fair kill you like
yeah, open up like the oliterlyit was like open up, Auntie.
I'm like, I'm about to sliceand nice some bitch I can't Nope,
goodbye, Seriously, here comes thevacuum cleaner, you fucking ghost. Yeah

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see yeah later, but yeah,super good. Um. But the beef
with True Crime was ID is nowdoing their serial killer week. Um,
and they're conveniently doing a whole episodeabout the Butcher Baker aka the Richard whatever
the fuck Robert Hanson. I don'tcare what his name is. M And

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I just feel like if they wantthe research, we have it. We
don't have firsthand interviews, but wehave an outline. So dear ID,
dear oxygen. Literally if you're tryingto steal our ideas, like and like
again, I don't know how longyou've had this, like going is this
I'm check, motherfucker, Like we'rehere. You don't have to give us
air time, Like we're not goingto be the most Like we're not trying

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to compete with you classy people onTV coming for a brand, bitch.
I'm like okay, Like can weplease like we're here, yeah, and
we see you. I have allmy notes still, Like if you want
something, I have it. Ihave everything, you know what, I
would not be surprised one person.They're like, shit, what are we

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gonna do? They're like, sowe got this Blonde, Booze and Bullshit
podcast I've been listening to and theydo whole lineups. We don't even have
to do anything. We just copyof them, right, Like if they
start doing like like I've seen likelittle pod, I think it is funny
that they're covering fucking and it's weird. The Butcher Killer, I mean the
Butcher Baker because I've never heard ofthat, and so we did it.

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I know, we both were likewe've never heard of this. Yeah,
and it's in Alaska and it andit's it is a pretty it was a
big case. So usually cases ofthat scale at least what he did it,
I mean if you didn't. Butokay, so if you go in
serial killers, like you'd have tolike go down a little bit to see
this one because it's all Israel Keysfor newers. Yeah, newer stuff speaking.

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I need to read American Predator.Yeah, oh my god, have
you do have that book. Ido. Oh my god, thank god,
because I almost bought it for you. Oh okay, yeah, I
know I do. I saw itand I was like, she hasn't.
Yes, I held on because Idid the episode first, like because I've
covered it before early on. Um. And then I found out that,
I mean, the whole reason weknow anything is because of the woman who

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wrote the book, because of allher Freedom of Information Act requests that she
did. UM. And I waslike, oh, I really need to
read this. And I was like, oh, but should I buy it
and like spend more like that wholedilemma that I always haven't, I still
buy it, And so I boughtit. I just have to like sit
down and read it. I'm justreally bad at reading nonfiction. I have
to make like I have to makemyself read it because then sometimes I'm just

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like like it's there, I'll getto it, like I don't know what
it is. Really definitely a moreof a fiction reader. Oh see,
I want to so much opposite one. Yeah you are. I've noticed that
I'm the opposite. I think it'syour history backing, like you love history
and I haven't no truth, Idon't. I don't know. I don't

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know what it is. But Ihave sat down like that lot that um
oh that one bad at good me, bad me. I sit there and
I do and I've been like slowlyreading it, but I just can't freaking
get into it, because like Ihave to associate with life, with real
life and sometimes with a connection andthen sometimes with fictional books. Like if

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I want something to be like,oh my god, I can't believe that
happened, I want it to bekind of I want it to be true.
Oh okay, my shock factor hasto be real. I don't know
why interesting, Like everyone's different though. That's what I find interesting about like
reading reviews on books, because Ican have something totally different and something like
someone will read it and be like, yeah, and I didn't agree with

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how they portrayed this. I'm like, I would never have thought that,
Yeah, no, that didn't evencross my mind. I like hearing about
people's stories I like, and that'swhat why I like it. I love
stories. I love true stories.I do like some memoirs, Like some
memoirs are good and I don't evenhave to know the person of their life
is superod one I gave you asa true one. Yes, oh yeah,

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let me talk about that. Shesurprised me with another book I always
do. Yeah, She's just like, I have a book for you.
I'm like anything every time. Iknow, no, I don't ever expect
anything, but every time I go, I go to a store because I
love one of my favorite things todo. I love looking for books.
Yes, that is like one ofmy favorite things, like Goodwill. The
first thing I go to is booksbecause they always have the most amazing books

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all the time, and for lifethree bucks super cheap, so I love
them. So when I saw thisone, I was like, coming with
me. So this is the Factof a Body and it's by Alexandria Marzano
was Nevitch and I believe she's anattorney or a lawyer now and it's all

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about her, like talking about herviews and the death penalty and why that
changed, and like this serial killerI thinker at least a murderer. So
I'm really excited to read this.I definitely feel like I'm going to start
it soon. Yeah, and ifyou do, please let me know because
I know that I know I giveyou a ton of books. I know
I probably give you probably at leastone book a month, if not two

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books a month. Sometimes it depends, like this month it was two,
but sometimes they're staggered out. Yeah, So I know, I don't ever
expect you to like read them rightoff the back, because I know you
have your your your Instagram over itDevin's Den where you do your book reviews,
and I know that you get iton a book, so I don't
expect you to ever read them.And I know that you there's books out

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there that you want to read,so I don't expect you to ever like
get on it. But I wouldlove to hear a review on this one
because I didn't read it because Ijust picked it up for you, so
I didn't I didn't read it,but I would like for you to let
me know, let me know howit is. Yeah, I know,
I think it would be really interestingto do like maybe an episode on this,

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but also like once I read toCatch a American Predator or whatever that
one was, um, just tolike maybe like revisit it because I did
that, so oh yeah, youknow, there's probably so much that I
didn't know or whatever, So Ithink I would be cool to revisit once
I read that. Yeah, AndI know We have a couple of cases
lined up, or at least onemore based off a book that you got

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me, so that'll definitely be coming. Okay, but we should prose prose.
We're gonna pause for gonna, We'regonna take a quick prause quick prouse
for a commercial break, and we'regonna get into our case. And thank
god, this one has actual factsfor me. So I am living for
this one because I don't have tosay I don't know. It's been a

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month, we'll say a month ofepisodes of that. We've been like,
yeah, we don't know, andit makes me so upset, it drives
me insane. Anyways, come back, get some wine, you'll need it
and hear what we have to talkabout. So welcome back. Um,
we're here to talk about Judy Buenoano, which that fucking last name. Like

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how she gets it is fucking stupid. Did you read about how she got
that? Yeah, it's dumb Spanish. Well she knocked it off like it's
not it's a butcher translation into somethingelse that we'll talk about, right.
Someone said it was like a yourtranslation into good year, Hm, but
it's yeah, but but good yearwasn't good Year one of her husband's names.

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Yeah, that's why she did it. Yeah, it was her the
first husband knew me. Yeah,right, So she loved the name good
Year. But like it doesn't needit ethnically, Yeah, like, well
did she had this whole thing wheremy mom was Native American. So I'm
point sixteen percent Native American and Ineed this name. It's kind and that
is like almost so many people inpolitics right now too. It's like it's

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literally your toenail has that calm down? Oh my god. So many white
people do that, so many alot of people do that if they want
to be relevant to whatever they're They'relike, I'm Indian, I'm black,
I'm white, I'm this. I'mmad. It's like, listen, your
skin, your white passing. That'sthis is a different conversation. Thank you.
Next, it's like, I mean, unless you haven't a quarter or

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above a quarter or above, I'llgive you that. Oh yeah, if
it's twenty five percent or more thanyeah, i'll give you that. But
if it's your bunk, if it'sunder twenty, I don't give a fuck
your baby toe. I don't thinkso, like it's cool for you to
know that I don't need to knowthat, Like, do you want me
to list all the white different nationalities? I am. I don't think so
this semisphere. Yeah, like it'sa bunch of bullshit. Really, so

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speaking of bullshit. Judaeus Okay,honestly, we don't know how to say
her name. It's like, canwe just call her Judas? I think
actually that's maybe an insult to Judas, but oh no, I just call
her Judy Judy well So initially it'sJudaeus Wellt. She later does go by
Judy. And she was born Aprilfourth, nineteen forty three, and she

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spent her early years in Quanta,Texas. She was named after her mother,
and she was one of four siblings, and she seemed to be closer
just always like lumped in with heryounger brother Robert. When she was four
years old, her mom did passaway from tuberculo, says, and bucking
tb was swallow own people up.Oh for it was rampant, and it

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was sanitariums and the open air orfresh air or whatever, thank you Arizona.
Yeah, dry climate, what's good? I had like four siblings,
yeah, and what's weird? AndI don't understand why, Like if what
their financial situation was. I don'tunder grandparents. So the dad was like,
no, you got to go livewith the grandparents, and the grandparents

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are like, listen, we cantake like two. So that was gonna
be my question because what happens.Does Judy and her younger brother Robert go
live with the grandparents and the twoolder ones go place their place for adoption?
Yeah, which to me, Ifeel like they did it backwards in
my opinion, like I feel likeyou should have swapped it, like really
well, like the kids are youngeror I feel I feel like if the
kids are older, you're like,listen, in other countries, you'd be

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married with seven kids by now.So I feel like you can take either
of you point on it, becauseyeah, like they're adults, like,
but they're like like they're just goingto spend their life in foster care.
Truthfully, is what's going to happen, Which going off of how this ends
up going is good for them,Like how it worked out as good for
the older two, I don't knowwhat happened to them to really like back
that up, but just knowing whathappens to Judy, it was a little

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bit because wait, okay, sohere's my question. So they went to
go live with the grandparents, andthen she went to go live with the
dad. Correct, okay, that'swhat. So he is like, I'm
stay, I have basically what itwas is my wife. He's like,
I'm a man, I'm not goingto take care of my kids. So
here you go. I'll take themback when I have a wife to take

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care of them. That's basically sookay, here's okay. I know we're
going to get into the story andif this is too early, just oh
well, I'm going in anyways,like I'm sorry, but and she could
have had a hard, horrible childhood. And I get it because like I
had a set family at one timeand they were shit. Um, but

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I was like, calm down,Cinderella. Yeah, like I don't,
well, I think it's a littlebit different in this case, just for
a few different reasons. If ithappened, of course, yeah, I
don't. Will see. It definitelydoesn't justify what she does later, Oh
not at all. So and hergrandparents, I don't know if we've mentioned

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this, they do live in NewMexico, so that's where they go,
or they know that they're not inNew Mexico. I'm jumping ahead. So
what happens. They're with their grandparentsand the dad's like, hey, got
remarried, have a new wife,Like I'll take you back now, I'd
be like, fuck you, butthey already sent back to live with him,
and that's when they go to NewMexico. Now, this was not

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a happy home. According to Judy, both her father and her stepmother were
pretty abusive towards her. I don'tknow about Robert. They starved her,
They forced her to do a lotof work. They even burnt out cigarettes
on her. And when she wasfourteen, she was sent to prison for
two months because she attacked her dad, her stepmother, and two stepbrothers where

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she like scalded the two brothers,the two stepbrothers either with water or grease
oil it was oil, okay.And then she was like hitting her the
dad and the stepmom with either herfits or like anything she could grab upon.
She just like fucking snapped, really, And I like, if the
abuse happened, I can't blame herfor sure, if like she was,
yeah, because as a person,and especially a kid, a kid at

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this, like you can push anadult and then they'll just snap and like
fucking blow their lid. But ifyou push a kid to do some shit,
especially like yeah, yeah, they'regoing to like right now, I
can go in there and go apeshit on my on my my daughter who's
around the same age, and she'sgonna lose her ship. She's gonna lose
her lid. I don't know ifshe'll do his extreme stuff, but because

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but she hasn't had that of extremethings happened to her. All of that
built up and built up and builtup. Yeah, like she was if
she was getting abused. However,like she probably was like fuck this,
I'm done, Like you're not goingto abuse me anymore. I could have
been a combination of both. Yeah, she's like I'm tired of being treated
like prison. Then all the traumathat gets with it. If you're mentally

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like messed up like that for awhile, of course you're gonna snap.
I'm like, set her free,free duty at this point right here,
Yes, we we're with her here. So remember she's only in prison for
two months, which is wild tome because one it's two months and she's
fourteen, which usually should just bejuby. But it's the fifties and I

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guess they didn't care at the fifties, and if they were like a ship
family, like I mean, evenif they even if they were like,
well you shouldn't have done that toyour family, you can still tell a
ship family, do you know whatI mean? Like if she was abused
and all that, yeah, youcan tell. Yeah. So they were

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just like it's under to a school. Well that's what they do. Later.
So she's given the choice when she'sreleased from prison, Okay, you
can either go to reform school oryou can go live with your family again.
And she's like, send me toreform for me. Yeah, She's
like, I'm fucking done. Soshe theyre up until nineteen sixty, which
is when she graduates, and thisis when she decides to become a nursing

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assistant and she goes by the nameof Anna Schultz for a bit. Um
not really sure why she goes byAnna Schultz. No, Like I don't
know where if she got that from. I wonder if it's because of her
family, Like that's the only thingI can think of, Like if she
just didn't want to be contacted.You know, they know her as knew
what Jude is well te for right, now, so now we're not going

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to go by this. We're gonnago yeah maybe it was like yeah,
so who knows, but that's whatshe's going by for only a small period
of time. Now. One yearafter this, so I'm assuming, like
sixty one, she does give birthto her son, Michael, and this
was her illegitimate son. She wasnot married. Um no really word of
who this man was, who wasthe father, but she does like literally

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like she came from a ship background, had a tough time, but things
are like starting to look up.In nineteen sixty two and she marries James
Goodyear. He was an Air Forceofficer, and they moved to Orlando,
right, yes, Okay, theymoved somewhere later in Florida and it was
getting confused, and they end uphaving two more children together, so one

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of which was Michael, and thenthere was James. Okay, so they
have Michael, who he adopts.That's not his son, but he adopts
them anyways, and then together theyhave James and Kimberly, so they have
three kids. Now. In nineteenseventy one, this is where things start
to really take a turn. Don'tknow what happens with Judy don't know where
she like, did she She hadto have read about Bell Gunnis because as

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I was doing notes, that's justall what I thought about was Bell Gunnis.
So spoiler alert, that's where thiskind of goes, not a severe
but it does. Only three monthsafter James does come home from doing a
service in Vietnam, he starts havingthese mysterious symptoms of course, quote unquote
mysterias, and they include intense stomachcramps, vomiting, and diarrhea. So

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he's admitted to a hospital and hedoes later die in the United States Naval
Hospital in September fifteenth, just fivedays after this. Judy is like,
hey, where's that life insurance money? So she does collect She collects a
lot because he has like three lifeinsurance policies, which I think was like
twenty eight twenty something thousand, Butthen she got some of his military benefits,

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which is another sixty something thousand dollarsI think, so, and she
only waits five days, and Iwill like, you never know, Hi,
you'ren act in grief and like maybewhen this happens, but you're doing
all like it does look shady unfortunatelya little bit because of people like this,
people like this or why that looksshady whereas like maybe you have a

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family to support in like now thatBritain, like you just are going through
the motions. But that's not whatshe's doing at all. And shockingly or
maybe unsurprisingly, about like that sameyear her house catches on fire. It's
a weird coincidence. Who would havethought this star is just misaligned? And
do you think us is on fire? Do you think that she is a

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descendant of h huns She would haveto be, or she's enamored with them,
or even like Belle Gunnis too likesomething. And she was like,
well, okay, So I thinkI think, and I could be wrong.
I do think that the life insurancething came to grew into this its

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own thing after this one, becauseI don't I think that he had a
life insurance policy and all this,but I don't think that that's what she
was going for. I think shewas just trying to kill him. And
then and then she was like,oh my god, I could get so
much money for these people. Andshe was like, I got three kids
I don't even care about anymore.Oh yeah, we're gonna Oh my god.

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So I feel I'm sorry if you'reyou know, spoiler alert, shit
happens with her kids. Um,I think that's where that was born.
I don't think that that. Idon't think that the insurance fraud in my
opinion. Okay again, I don'tthink that came to until she realized how
easy it was to do it well. And also, yes, because they're

(27:15):
not like either blood or they're urine. And back then he was like,
I mean he was in the hospital, right, and he died in the
hospital, and they would only checkfor like like poisons because or they would
only check for poisons if they hadto, Like it wasn't a common thing,
so they weren't checking for arsenics,right en arsenics, am I saying,

(27:40):
right, no s at the endor whatever you know we're talking about,
Um, they'll like you would haveto ingest that somehow. And he
was, yeah, and we're goingto talk about like specific quote unquote they
called it like a fruit punch.Oh okay, So that's and she was
doing it right under like the doctor. Yeah, right under the doctor's nose

(28:03):
and nurse's nose. You know,she's just being a loving wife, She
is being devoted to her husband.You know, she's taking care of her
husband. So they're like, hmy god, you're hello Angela. Right,
yeah, and well that's interesting becauseI wonder why. I wonder if

(28:23):
it wasn't for insurance money, likeshe didn't have that thought in mind,
why did you want to kill him? Yeah, and that's that's it.
Well, that was my thing whenI was going over this case, I
was like, why did she wantto kill her husband? Like, okay,
because she didn't start because this isnot she took like three insurance policies

(28:44):
out on one person, so thatwas after the fact this. I don't
know if maybe she was just likeI'm so done with being married. I
don't want to be married to himanymore. And mam um, maybe he
was showing signs of like because hewas for he did maybe a war tour
and he had some PTSD and hewas like raging on her in a sense

(29:07):
where she got you know, Idon't know, and this is just we
don't know, and that's what sucks. And this is me just going down
right. These are just hypotheses.We're not saying this is what happened.
We don't know. So I don'tknow she did I don't know. That's
what I didn't understand too. Iwas like, I don't know why she
all of a sudden when he died, because then that's when she started going
out for life insurance policies being andit was messy about it, methodical to

(29:30):
a set to a point. Shewas definitely messy, but people weren't checking
for this, Like you said,they're not checking, and even when they
did check, they're like, oh, it's probably this, we'll send you
back home. I honestly think ifthe military didn't get involved in the next
one, I think she would havegot away with it. Now, it's
not that it's the bomb. Thebomb got her. See, I don't

(29:52):
feel like the bomb was one wasthe ear perk. I feel like the
ear perk was her son. Bombhappened after her son though, Huh.
The bomb happened after her son,And that's why people police were like,
yeah, no I know, wellno, no, I know. But
like the military wasn't letting his deathgo either. Okay, okay, we're
jumping ahead and we're probably confusing people. Let's just talk about it a little

(30:15):
bit more, because I do havequestions about where you're going with that.
So okay, So he died ina nineteen seventy three. This is when
she changes her last name to Buenoano, which, like Cortney said, is
Spanish for good year. And theyoung widow finds love again. God bless
her, hallelujah. So she meetsworried about that. She meets Bobby Joe

(30:37):
Morris, and it sounds like theymet in Florida. They stirred Bobby eating
and then he moves to Colorado inseventy seven and he's like, hey,
why don't you and your kids comelive with me. So for the most
of her life and most of whatshe does, it is in Florida,
but for a little bit she doesgo to Colorado, and only a few

(30:57):
months later, Bobby too suffers fromthe same mysterious symptoms as her late husband
and he's hospitalized, but he's laterreleased because he's on the mandor. They
think maybe she wouldn't have access topoison him for eighteen days. Well,
yeah, no, that that's whathappened, is and he noticed because she

(31:17):
started do you think you think henoticed? M okay, because he noticed
that, Like she all of asudden was like, hey, babe,
I need you to take those vitaminbecause it's gonna make you better. And
she did that with him too,m M okay, because I know she
did it with the last one.Yeah, and I and um or maybe
it was just a lt No,I could have swore that that with this
one, she did the same.She tried to do the same type of

(31:41):
thing. It wouldn't type of vitaminor some type of Yeah, and we
learned some type of anyways, welearned later like what her like what she
does with this specific person at theend, which gets her caught. So
maybe that is what she did thewhole time. Yeah, so it's possible.
Yeah for sure, Um, Icut you out. Did you have
anything else to say? Okay,nope, you're good. Okay. Yeah.

(32:04):
So he is in the hospital.Eighteen days later, he is released,
but sometime later he does collapse athome during dinner. He's rushed back
to the hospital, but he dies. But at this point, remember they're
not married, they're just dating,and Judy had already taken out a life
insurance policy on him and collected money. Yep. Now if that's not suspect,

(32:24):
like I get spouse is getting money, fine, Okay, it makes
sense in the grand scheme of things. Is it suspect to me? Yes,
but that's because I just watched ShootCrime twenty four seven. But it's
not I think everybody's a serial killerfor yeah, I like, I don't
know. I can't trust you.Sometimes I am on a bad day,
I'm like, Wow, I'm supercreepy. Like I'm like, I don't

(32:44):
want to do smalltalk, but whatI want to talk about I can't talk
about, so I guess its smalltalk. How do you feel about Ted
Bundy again again this episode? BecauseI was doing it. It's for the
last one on there a mini gameone whenever that airs, And you're like,
I want someone to tally up howmany times we talk about Ted Bundy

(33:04):
from the start of the podcast.You know, it's so much. It's
like sometimes like not at all,sometimes one, sometimes like three times an
episode, Like it's just all overthe place. It's crazy. It was
like, anyway, in the beginningof our podcast, I used to refer
to Kemperolla. Yes you did,and then you did stop, and then
we just both started talking about Bundeya lot. And it's not because we

(33:25):
like him, just so you know, No, it's just he's a piece
of sh No, it's just wewe just refer to him just because I
feel like that's what a lot ofpeople just know that name, so we
can just be like, oh,it's just a good reference to everyone's easy
introduction into serial killers. Because literally, like I've said this before, but

(33:46):
when Mine Hunter season one came out, like there was an article like,
oh, who is the adt Killer? I'm like, y'all, if you
don't know, this is BTK,why are you fucking watching Mine Hunter?
Sit down? Leave it to meand I'll let you know. Like I
get, everyone can watch whatever theywant. Your like your seats over there,
dear Refinery twenty nine, do youwant to hire me? And I

(34:07):
can tell you who it is?Like it's very obvious that literally says witchtock
handas and he has the same mustache. Like I'm really confused as to why
you're confused. Why are you confused? Help me help you? Anyways?
Back to Judy Buenoano, Um,okay, So she may have also tried
to convince WHOA sorry, I hada fit. I don't know what that

(34:30):
was. Um. She may havetried to convince Morris's family to have his
remains cremated I think that's what shedid with the first husband, James Goodyear,
because they can't go back and testthat his tissue, which is which
is what they do later and itdoesn't hurt smart on her family because they're
like, Nope, we don't trustyou, like something is off. They

(34:52):
didn't really, I don't know whatthey why they thought it, but they
did believe she had something to dowith it, and they were right to
think. So Yeah. A coupleof years later, Michael joins the army
and he's stationed in Fort Benning andGeorgia, and on his way to Georgia,
I think they had some issues withhim, so he was living somewhere

(35:12):
else and then he was going todrive through Georgia and he was going to
visit his mom who was back inFlorida. Not too long after his visit,
when he does make it to FortBenning, he starts to show signs
of poisoning and doctor's rent tests.I don't understand, Like, okay,
keep going, keep going. I'msorry. Well, I do have this
and I do have some details aboutarsenic that may answer your question. Okay,

(35:34):
my history, my Google history forthis episode is fucked so clear.
It whoever's listening, like has accessto my laptop. Clear it. Thank
you. I fucking got you.If you ever disappear, I will burn
everything. Like they would have friends, they would have to dive deep,
they would have to find some way. They would have to actually honestly have
to go through your IP address andlike hacken to that because your search history

(35:59):
will be pristine, been nothing butkittens and rainbows, like nice, like
wholesome, Like let's watch SpongeBob andlike all this dumb shit. SpongeBob is
not wholesome. I don't know.I mean, true, it's been a
while. I grew up on SpongeBoband watching it alone. That explains a
lot. I mean I grew upon that and Simpsons and horror movies and
family. Guy, what's the issue'sseeing? I'm confused. Anyways, So

(36:23):
Michael is at Fort Benning. He'son base and te showing sets of poisoning.
They do run tests and they dofind high levels of arsenic, so
they are like, okay, hey, this is seven times normal, like
the normal level of arsenic that eitherlike you should have or this is just
something like it's not good. Basically, I'm sure if it went on,

(36:46):
he would have died. They're like, hey, what are you doing?
But unfortunately, so it was sobad that his muscles in his arms and
legs atrophied to the point that hecouldn't use his hands and he needed metal
braces on his legs just to becamea paraplegic. Yeah, it was super
it was because that's what it affects. A severe poisoning will do that.

(37:07):
Yes, and he is discharged fromthe army because he can't he can't serve
unfortunately, so he moves back withJudy in Florida because basically they think that
he just came in contact with itthrough his normal service time on base,
because you can it does occur naturally, We're going to get to it a
little bit um so it is plausible, But that's also a lot like you

(37:30):
would you would have had to inhalea lot of arsenic or ingest it for
to be seven times, Like,that's not just oh, I went out
and I drank some contaminated groundwater.Like also, no one else is showing
signs of this, so why isit just him. There's a lot of
things that they didn't really look atunfortunately, and like nothing was done at

(37:53):
all, and and not to saythat this and you know, I don't
mean to say anything that's not youknow, I don't. I don't mean
to upset anybody. But they couldhave been like like a lot of military
people would do, like they wouldtry to commit suicide. So they could
have just been like, all right, we're just gonna discharge him obviously for

(38:14):
obvious reasons, like they he poisonedhimself, right, that could have been
that. I'm not and not againjust going off my own theories right of
why they did an eyebrow, butwhy they didn't raise an eyebrow like they
were like, Okay, you know, obviously he's just, you know,
whatever's going on with him not good. The way he can't be here,
he can't be Harry, yeah.Liability, yeah, like he literally cannot

(38:37):
serve um. So in May ofnineteen eighty, Judy decides it's a phenomenal
idea to take both her sons outon a canoe. She is persistent,
and she and this is so she'sin Florida. This is the East River
in Florida, and it's Michael andJames, and the canoe flips over and

(38:57):
Judy and James were forced to swimdish or quote unquote forced. Um,
well, James was forced. Judyjust did it. Um. Michael of
course didn't have the same luck becausehe's wearing these braces and six has suit.
Yeah, they're super heavy, andhe also probably has a limited control
or just movement or of his lambsat this point because of the poisoning that

(39:19):
it makes it difficult to swim,and he unfortunately does drown and as a
result. Jody Jody whoa Jodi Arias, We're not talking about her, Sorry,
Jody, Judy was only ten minutesaway. I know every time I
pressed Perry Vale, I'm like angelaJody, Like there's so many I know,

(39:40):
I've gotten snapchats of you, like, oh hey, Joe, I'm
like a Jody. So um.Judy is able to collect twenty thousand dollars
from his military life insurance policy.Michael was only nineteen years old, and
like when he was murdered, that'she was so young, not even twenty.
Like now when I I say that, this is what perked the ears

(40:01):
of the military because they were like, wait a minute, homeboy had that
much arsenic and then now all ofa sudden, like they the corners and
like the state police and everything.They were like all right, whatever,
case close, whatever. And themilitary was like, hmmm, did you
read that? Because I didn't readanything about that. Yeah, I listened

(40:22):
to um uh it was either aYouTube or podcast that. That's what perked
up the ears. And that's whenthe investigations started coming in about her because
because they were they were not settlingwith with that. Well, then I
wonder why. I mean, I'mglad that you didn't and cool, but

(40:45):
then why discharge him? They haveto, or but at least why not
why couldn't. It's just like ifif you couldn't do your job anymore,
like you signed up to do yourjob, right, he can't do anything.
He's a paraplegic. Well yes,okay, so I guess you better
way to word it is then whynot, like you know, he has
nowhere else to go, Like whynot give him recommendations of like they're not?

(41:07):
But then why investigate because it's stilla murder. I mean it definitely
was a murderer, but it's likeshould have done theirs but but again they
can't. But that's that's assuming likeevery time somebody hiccups they're gonna do a
full physical report like that. It'sjust not plausible. There's too many people

(41:28):
in the like going through stuff thatit's not your parents, you know,
like that's not you can't consider everybodycaring about that kind of stuff. Like
it's just it's weird to go militarythinking that he came into contact with it
through everyday stuff. Like are theythinking that he was poisoned by his mom
or that just that his mom drowned? I mean it could have been what

(41:50):
was it? Oh yeah, youknow that's where I'm saying, hiccuping.
Is that Okay, we're gonna dischargehim. It wasn't nefarious that he has
all this arsenic Well that's when theystarted looking into her more and then we're
gonna but now he died, andnow we want to like, you have
they released him to her care.So they were like, okay, so
like if you go to jail andyou get bailed out or whatever, like

(42:13):
you're going to be released to acertain person because of his disability. Yeah
okay, And so I mean theydo they do their diligence, like they're
not like it's not like that.Yeah, No, that's what it seemed
like to me where they're just likegoodbye, that's it. When you were
like, oh they paid attention,I'm like, what do you mean they
didn't? Like, No, theydid, because yeah they let they Okay,

(42:35):
you're going to be with your mother, right, she's the one that
picked him up. Okay, thatmakes more sense. She collects twenty K
from his military life insurance policy.But then, um, there are reports
that he may have had two civilianpolicies taken out of him too, and
this was discovered by authorities. Idon't know if this is after the fact
that later once police start looking,or if this is the military maybe looking

(42:58):
to it, you know what Imean. But not really much came of
it. They did, Oh Iguess I didn't finish that sence. That's
interesting. They didn't. They diddetermine something, just put a period of
then no literally the sentences. Theydid determine though, that there was high
possibility that blank filling that sentence,you guys, high possibility that she fucking

(43:20):
did it correct? Yes? Yes, um okay. So despite the death
that like swirls around her, Judyis doing phenomenal still. She is loving
her best flies. She's like justdoing making bank and um hair salon.
Yes, what she opens in nineteeneighty because of all of the money she
got from murdering people. Very cool, And she starts dating John Gentry.

(43:46):
Now Gentry was a businessman from Florida, and the two do get engaged in
October of nineteen eighty two. Andthis is where we get a little bit
more insight to her mL So weshould pause here for a break. We're
gonna tell you a little bit moreabout her m O and what the sneaky
little bitch would do. So welcomeback. At this point, um,

(44:09):
despite the death of her husband,her boyfriend, her son. Um,
the list goes on, Judy isdating John Gentry, she's the business owner.
No, keep going because I'll askthis question later. Okay. So,
um, they're engaged and Judy islike, hey, you know it'd

(44:29):
be cool, dude, take outa life insurance policy. We're gonna take
one one in each other, soI just in case. Yeah, of
course, listen, I've had I'vehad husband's in the past. We're not
even she had one husband, onehusband and a boyfriend. So like why
not? Like why is this conversation? Yeah, why are we doing this?

(44:50):
Like I don't know. Somebody waslike, hey, let's get life
insurance policies. Like, listen,I'm rethinking this whole relationship. You've known
them for two years and now you'reengaged. Like that's just really quick really
to me? I don't, Butlike I just told you a story where
it was like, my friend issix months and that person's already engaged,
and that is also super quick.So yeah, with me, I feel
like two years is so completely appropriatetime. Maybe it is. I feel

(45:15):
like two years is a completely appropriatetime, but for to be again to
life insurance policy both like one orthe other, you have to pick one
or the other. Can do both. See, life insurance policy comes when
you're married, so you're not.I don't understand that one you're not,
But I mean, like to fora fiance within two years, that's fine

(45:35):
with me. I think that isa proper amount of time to know if
you want to spend the rest ofyour life with somebody. Yeah, so
they take a life insurance policy outof each other, and she also convinces
him to start taking what she wasreferring to, how quote special vitamins,
which Corton did roughens earlier and mpills. I watched this one thing and

(45:55):
they call them because there it wasBritish and they were like vitamins. Oh
yes, I love listening to thevitamin pills. Oh I love British,
like just the different words for everything, like the bin and bin back,
oh my god, everything. Ido. Love love when they call each
other ankers that and they also saycunt freely. I'm like, this is
my more British and my place whereI need to look cunt. Yeah,

(46:22):
like makes me live. I loveit. I love it too. I
love their derogatory slang and they're yeah, they're so crude. I'm like this,
these are my people. I mean, if I love somewhere where it
was completely frigid all the fucking time, i'd be cool. I would be
like that as well, right,like yeah, right, you would just
be sucking cold and rainy. SoI would be a dick too. So

(46:42):
when some unsurprisingly these vitamins don't makehim feel better, they don't. They
make him feel worse. And shewas able to convince him to take these
capsules by telling him that she wasa nurse and maybe even have had a
PhD, which she faked. Shefaked a lot of different credentials to tell,
at least him maybe other people.She's like, listen, I'm a
doctor and it's like yeah, andit's like, no, no, you

(47:05):
didn't look as a nurse for alittle bit. But I not to like
discount that, but you're not.You were a chardy striper, not at
all. Yeah, So yeah,and down Judy. In December of nineteen
eighty two, he's sick and he'sadmitted into the hospital and surprisingly and in
the hospital, he's not taking thesevitamins. So he starts to feel better
and he doesn't really realize at thatpoint that oh, hey, I'm not

(47:30):
with Judy taking these vitamins and Ifeel better. So he hasn't made that
connection yet. And they don't doa toxicology at this time, like they
don't really know. But I feellike at this point is why. But
I feel like at this point,like you're in the eighties, like I'm
you've heard about what arsenic is inthe different symptoms, so why aren't you
doing a toxicology? I make someblood, okay, but you're a test.

(47:52):
But we need to consider like arethey in a small town, are
they in a smaller, you know, place like not every now here.
We live in a big city.I think she's in Pensacola by this point.
Oh is it okay? I knowshe does mean to Pencole at some
point, right, yes, Andis that a big city? Is that

(48:14):
a small sent I think it's alittle It's like now, I'm not saying
now, I'm saying back then,is that I don't look at because because
that's going to factor into everything,like money and resources of everything. Like
you can you can question, well, why didn't they test this? Well
if they don't have the resources orthe funding or like you know, that's

(48:34):
why a lot of murder cases gounsolved because they don't have the financial structure
to go ahead and solve it becausethey can't pay for testing of this that
or the other. I mean itcosts a lot of money. Um.
And and considering the times back then, um, maybe that's why you know,
at this time, you know alot of counties weren't talking to each

(48:58):
other. You know, it's noteven and yes, that's that's happening,
but it's it's also just like thisguy is death like pretty sick. Oh
he's been poisoned for how long?And they're just like we don't know.
Okay, thank you, Um,we don't know you need. So in
nineteen eighty three, Gentry, youknow, he's released, everything's fine,

(49:19):
and he's driving to a liquor store, apparently to get champagne because Judy tells
him she's pregnant. Yeah, she'slike, oh my god, I'm pregnant,
Go get champagne. And so he'sdriving. She was adamant about get
in your car and go like,hey, when you come to this whatever
event things they have, she said, park here, make sure you park

(49:42):
here, don't park anywhere else,take your own car. And then I
need and then after everything because she'slike pregnant, he was like, oh
my god, and he is sohappy. He was overjoyous like she.
He seemed excited from what I read. And his car explodes on his drive
there. Um and still somehow,not only has Gentry been poisoned for hoge

(50:07):
knows how long severely poisoned by arsenic, but now his car explodes, he
lives. Yeah, And they thinkthat's because he had a sunroof that he
opened and that he was actually projectedout and that's what saved him because because
that's the sun roofs actually saved himbecause when Okay, so the car was

(50:31):
rigged that it wasn't it in thetrunk. It was and I don't know
how, but it's it was throughthe lights. It was rigged through the
lights. So from when him turningon the headlights and stuff or the break
lights or something with that, that'show it was triggered. Not to give
her credit, but that's smart,okay, because it was her son,

(50:52):
James did it. Yeah, becausethey went into his room and they found
the exact same wires from in thecar explosion in the room. Yeah,
if they found it in his room. So what I think was she was
just like m so, hey,son, you know it would be really
fun as if you make these bombsfor making me a bomb? Yeah,
or she didn't even tell him itwas a bomb. It was like do

(51:13):
this and this and this and gotit to me. Yeah, like yeah,
because they found the same wire.So yeah, and that's that's another
way that they linked her to this. Okay, this is how she was
convicted. Correct. Yes, Sothis is this is what really breaks the
lid off of what she was doing. So the military may have been looking
into it or whatever, but thisis like when a police are like,

(51:37):
okay, interesting duty, so let'sgo talk to Gentry. So, you
know, Gentry is in the hospital, he's recovering, and police are now
investigating, and they flicked a lotof issues with Judy's background, namely her
saying she has a PhD and she'sa doctor, which she's not. And
they start asking Gentry questions and hetalks about these vitamins, you know,

(51:59):
and just at the natural course ofthis conversation and his mystery illness, and
he's like, first, oh,you know, I had I was sick.
I was in the hospital for twoweeks. When he got out and
he first sort of taken the vitaminsagain, he started feeling sick again,
and he tells them all this,and well, they did ask them.
They were like, hey, doyou know anybody that wants to kill you?

(52:21):
And he was like no, butI was really sick in the hospital
for a while, and they werelike, okay, keep going. Yeah,
and then well, and what's interestingis that then Gentry stops taking them
without Judy knowing, apparently, sofor a little bit he was like,
weird, Okay, I feel shittyagain. I'm gonna stop, which was
what anyone would do if you broughtsomething new into your diet. Yeah,

(52:44):
if you're ingesting something and you're like, I don't know, I feel sick
or I don't feel right like andhe's still not really connecting the dots that
Judy's doing this like on purpose.I would he right. But that's this
is where the cops were like,hey, bro, you know that she
like your life. You know thatyour life insurance because when they signed up,

(53:07):
it was for fifty thousand dollars.Okay, she switched it to five
hundred thousand dollars and she was payingthe premiums without him knowing, wow exactly,
So they were her biggest payout thisfar. Yes, and so they
were like, hey, doing alittle digging, they were like, hey,

(53:28):
you have a life insurance policy forfive hundred thousand dollars from your all.
That's ten times higher than this.Is what perked them up the most
too in their investigation because they werelike, excuse me, cup again.
Yeah, well, and he didn'teven know this, so he was like,
well, why what he intercepting everything? No, I have fifty thousand

(53:52):
dollars, and they showed him.They were like, no, you have
a five hundred thousand dollars policy onyou. Wow, that's interesting. Well.
And then on top of that,after he tells them about the pills
and everything, they're like, okay, do you have some with you?
Yeah, we test that's when theytested it. Yes, and they find
that she's been giving gentry arsenic andfromaldehyde, which is like what you used

(54:15):
to embomb people, right, Likethat's you don't think found that because she
has a ready vailable supply, becauseit's yes, explain this please, because
I don't understand that. I can'tand I want to say it's barber sal
Well, I don't think it is. And I think I'm saying that wrong
because I always say where it's wrong. Um, but there is something called

(54:37):
barba sal I just don't remember whatit is. It's the blue stuff that
you see when you go get yourhair cut and a subject. This is
what they put the brushes in,right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's it's what they kill everything with. It's it's yeah. But if you
ingust that, so that actually containsarsenic and fromaldehyde specifically interesting? Right?
They found the traces. Yeah,and that's where they linked her up to

(54:58):
it, because that's yeah, butit's so on top of that, like
we've unsubtly hinted before, is theyfind materials needed to build a bomb,
which implicates her in the car bombing. So they find that in the Sun's
bedroom, right, And so atthis point they're like, this is interesting.
Not only is this interesting, butyou've had these weird trail of deaths
follow you. We can't obviously convicta good year to you. Actually,

(55:22):
maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. Maybe she didn't cremate him. That's
interesting, Judy, they exhumed,No, because they exhumed them. Yeah.
I just looked at my notes andI was like, you you were
pushing for Bobby done Morris to getcremated, because did you realize your slip,
Like, yeah, you didn't.As the wife, you could have
had good Year cremated and thank godshe didn't. So they it's like I'm

(55:45):
reading my notes for the first time. I do that sometimes too, I'm
like, oh, I didn't evenrealize I put that in the Yeah,
Like I have my trade of thoughtand sometimes I put my thoughts in there,
and I'm just like, you know, you're doing your notes, You're
just like typing out stuff that yousee. Yeah, and then yeah,
and then you go back and you'relike, oh, like that's why I
stumble. Sometimes I'm like, ohokay, wait, hang on, what
am I reading? So they doend up so they're like, Okay,

(56:07):
we already know she definitely tried tokill. This is attempted murder. We
can look at all this stuff.So now that we know you're poisoning people,
we're gonna exhume your son, Michael, Bobby, Joe Morris, and
James Goodyear. Yea, and theyfound each man had been poisoned with arsenic
again because they can test her tissue, they can test your toe nails,
they knows everything for it, becauseyeah, oh yeah, it's gonna live

(56:30):
for a while. And it wasthe bombing that really did her end again
because until this point, she's beencoasting into the radar like it's fucking fine,
Like she's loving her life. She'snever gonna get caught. She's cocky.
As long as she changes locations,she's go exactly. So a little
bit about arsenic, So specifically arsenicpoisoning is called arsenic cosis, and of

(56:51):
course arsenic is seriously toxic to humanslike you just it's super bad and you
can adjust either through druct ingestion likefood or drink, or like vitamins like
she was doing, or you canbreathe it in, so somehow it becomes
a vapor and you can just breatheit in. So okay, Um,
what's really interesting? Yeah, SoI don't know how it becomes a vapor.

(57:12):
They said breathe it in, SoI'm assuming or breathing in vapors.
Maybe I'm just wrong and I'm nota scientist. That's a I'm gonna say.
I know I misled you this wholetime. That is very peculiar because
like you have been a doctor beforeon the show, and I give you
special vitamin and you've yeah, andthen you've also been a psychologist, So
it's weird. Who are you?Who are you? Who are you?

(57:34):
Really? You're not a blonde.I don't really know what's going on anywhere.
Like it's like the lies are unravelingwith you. So are do you
even read these books? Yeah?Like are you just I don't know?
You know, I have issues withghost posting. We've talked about this.
Fucking skim readers out there, bitemy, I fucking hate you. Um,

(57:54):
what's really huge? What's really dangerous? About our snake is that it
doesn't have a sense or smell ortaste nothing sentence smell the same thing.
Sorry, just got a tangent um. But and this is I'm like cyanide,
where there is a certain portion ofthe population that can smell cyanide as
burnt almonds. Not everyone can dothat. Really, I didn't know that

(58:15):
that. Okay, fun fact,some people's PA doesn't smell when they eat
asparagus. Who there are some peoplein there, something in there. There's
some people out there that in thebathrooms. Um no that they It doesn't.
It doesn't have that chemical reaction.So I wonder if the people whose
p does smell like a spare guessafter they eat it can also smell arsenic?

(58:37):
Like are their correlation? Maybe?Then I hope I can. I'm
gonna find some arsenic don't notice,I'm cyanide, which is really bad.
You can come back from arsenic poisoningto a point, you really can't come
back from cyanide, So maybe youshould. Okay, so I'll try it
when I'm older. Are you gonnahave the wherewithal to like send me a

(58:57):
note. I'm gonna do a prepre I'm gonna I'm gonna video taken.
I was hoping you wouldn't say that, or we'll face time. Okay,
no, no, no, no, no, because I don't want you
to go to jail because then Idon't want to I'm yes, exactly,
So I'm going to just have avideo up and I'm gonna be like,
if you're watching this, it smellslike almonds, burnt almonds. Almonds are

(59:22):
not burnt almonds, bitter almonds,and there is a specific product bitter almond
smell. But there is a specificproduct called bitter almonds, and they are
poisonous to us. If I don'tthink we can I think because of that
reason we can't. Um, wedon't have it in the US. I
don't know where else it might be. UM. But yeah, so it's

(59:43):
really it's not detectable through smell ortaste. And well, okay, what
does anti freeze fall under. That'sjust like manufacturing products, I would assume,
right, No, and you cankill somebody with anni freeze No I
know, But like if you cankill someone's bleached too well, no,
no, I know. Anti phraseis a poison that can be detected.

(01:00:05):
What I wonder what that one isbecause anti phreesee doesn't have a taste or
a smell when you do it.It actually has maybe a I'm super sweet,
it's really sweet anyways, So arsenic, again, it does occur naturally,
but it's also a man made forlike agriculture, mining and other manufacturing
for like salons and stuff and sookay. And this is why it's probably

(01:00:27):
more accessible through the manufacturing side,because if you're working in agriculture with all
these other places, you're probably gonnahave access to it. Have a beauty
store correct where you have you canget it, where you can just get
this. I know one's gonna lookat you. You own the hair salon,
so no one's gonna look at youbecause you are the manager. Like
it's it's fine, guys, it'sfine. It's okay, a one hundred

(01:00:51):
percent on board top bar. It'sfine above board. Um. So.
Some symptoms of arsenic poisoning are redor salan skin skin chain just such as
new warter lesions, abdominal pain,nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, am abnormal
heart rhythm, muscle crams, andtingling of fingers or toes. And this

(01:01:12):
is just basic arsenic poisoning. Now, if poisoning is continuously happening, which
was happening with a lot of hervictims, then those more severe symptoms are
darkening skin, constant sore throat,and persistent digestive issues. So this is
some of what I'm assuming that theseare some symptoms that are like, not

(01:01:34):
everyone's going to experience all of them, but these are just some of the
ones that you could experience, youknow. So if you have any of
those and you think he may havecome in contact with arsenic, you should
call the poison thank you. Iwas going to call it the poison hautline,
but that's probably more apt um anyways. So the most common way to
test for arsenic is through blood,fingernail, hair, or urine samples.

(01:01:58):
Urine seems like the most common wayfind drugs too. Yeah, it's well,
yeah, because they all absorb Ithink in kind of a similar way,
even like you can find it inhair, I think too. Yeah,
so everything comes out. Oh,you can test hair and you can
find everything you've done, right,And that's what that's what kind of sucks
about urine is urine is more recentstuff, so like smaller doses three the

(01:02:20):
last few days, three days,so you have up to three days.
Well, there is some place,some places where you can test alcohol up
to like pock seven or eight daysin the event in the urine. Yeah,
oh hair, well it's each hairyou can go back like six months.
Well yeah, because you're like eachgrowth is a different period of your

(01:02:40):
life, so it's so easy togo back. And the same with like
finger. That's why when they drugtest you, like if you you know
you have to go to the courts, they will always want to do a
hair follical test because you can cleanyour urine. So um, okay,
so urine specifically, like we've alreadyoblished, that's more recent usage of specifically

(01:03:02):
in this case arsenic, but ofcourse of other maybe drugs or whatever.
The other ways of checking will measuremore long term exposure. And what's interesting
is arsenic is in our groundwater inthe US. It's in Mexico and China,
so you can't getting I didn't knowthat way. Yeah. So there
was like I was trying to domore in depth because this case was short,

(01:03:22):
and I was like, I wantmore details, let's look at arsenic.
And there was like something about contaminateddrinking water in Bangladesh and so many
people had arsenic poisoning because it wasn'tfiltered or anything, so it can be
in our water. Obviously we alot of more, but that's why they

(01:03:43):
in our water, right, Yeah, that's all what other treatments are for
is probably are also we have ourown filter filtration systems on top of what
they maybe already do at treatment plans. Back to Judy, remember, m
Gentry is being like he's talking topolice and they're on to Judy and friends
of Judy's come forward and tell authoritiesthat, um, Judy told them that

(01:04:04):
Gentry was terminally ill, so shewas preparing for his death, which shows
a lot of premeditation in her,and that she's telling her friends he'll die
at some point because he's super sookay. So here's my thing. It
it astonishes me on how ballsy theseum people get. Now I'm not talking

(01:04:25):
about her everyone, I'm I andI can never say that where it's a
sorry, um I I specifically Igot you, thank you babe. Um
Yeah that one I can. Inever understood how they were so just praisen
and clockey balls. Yeah, likeI get it. You know you've gotten
away with it. But this isn'tlike I stole some gum at Walmart.

(01:04:49):
Now, this is murder someone.Well, you know, this is where
you go to prison for life,for life. Like, this isn't just
like, huh, inch on myhusband again, I'm a horrible person.
This is like, don't worry,my husband's gonna be dead. Yeah,
like you're planning this, You're goingthrough the motions like this is serious shit.

(01:05:11):
Yeah, And it just really reallygets to me that, like they're
just so freely shut up. Anyways, So shocker, Judy wasn't even pregnant,
no, because she already had sterilizationsurgery. Yeah, she already had
a hysterectomy. Yes, So thosewere kind of rumors. I don't know
how confirmed when it was this shehad in like seventy five. Oh shit

(01:05:33):
really yeah, well she was likewith him in the eighties. Yeah,
no, she had it. Anddon't quote me on this, but I
know that it was like because theyeven pointed it out to him. They
were like, hey, I don'tknow if you know this, but she's
had this done for like a longtime. And I think it was like
in the seventies that she she hadthis procedure done so, so on January

(01:05:56):
eleventh of nineteen eighty four, she'sarrested for murder or that year, she's
convicted of murdering Michael an attempted murderyon Gentry. And then in nineteen eighty
five she is convicted of the murderof James Goodyear, and she receives twelve
years sentence for Michael's death, andshe gets a death sentence for murdering James.
On top of it all, theydo convictor of multiple charges of grant.

(01:06:18):
I'm sorry, but the death penaltyshould have been for the child.
I'm sorry, No, it shouldhave because she not only tried to poison
him, she drowned him. Andthen she drowned him. She knew what
she was fucking doing. She puthim on a fucking boat and tipped it
and tipped it. Yeah, andeven the other son, um James,

(01:06:40):
James, he was knocked unconscious quoteunquote and he didn't even remember anything,
so he was no good as awitness. Oh, poor kid, and
that he's been put in the middleof so much of this, like he
made a bomb. So and yes, but you okay, that is okay,
let me take that back allegedly.Well, you can say he made

(01:07:02):
he made this, but did hedid he know it was a bomb?
Like this isn't YouTube like the YouTubeere where you can look up specifically how
to make a bomb like, sohe would have knew this, but he
would have to know how to dothat. So was it him or was
it just Judy doing it and tellinghim how to do it so then he
could that could be yeah, youknow what I mean, we'll have we

(01:07:26):
can we can go on a theorytangent. There'd be a million different ones
for each murder, like there's somany. Um, So she's charged with
multiple grand up charges, multiple actsof arson as a means to gain insurance
money. Now, she was alsosuspected in other deaths as well, and
she never got charged for them.But some theorize that in nineteen seventy four

(01:07:48):
she did kill someone in Alabama andthen again in nineteen eighty and this was
the death of Gerald Dawset. Nowit's important to note that Colorado never did
pursue her on death charge or oncharges at all for the murder of Bobby
Joe Morris. Now, it's throughI called him Bobby and then Billy what

(01:08:09):
was his name? I said bothin my notes, I say Bobby and
Billy. I thought it was Billy. Think you we're gonna call him Billy
for night Now, I don't know. I don't My note taking was weird.
I don't really know what's going on. So at this point, like
when they made those connections, shewas already on death row. So unfortunately,
it's one of those cases of whereshe's already has the most severe punishment,

(01:08:30):
we're not going to pursue her,and so well, it's like and
all this stuff, and that's thebig thing, is the money. But
there are rumors that Billy Joe Morrishelped her with the murder in Alabama and
confessed to it on his deathbed andwas like, we did this. And
I don't know who would have beenwith him on his deathbed if she was
in the hospital with him, Like, I don't know who would have heard

(01:08:51):
this. I don't know if it'strue, but it's out there if you
look up this case. Now,it's estimated that she collected two hundred and
forty thousand dollars in life insurance moneyfrom her murders. And this is from
like in the seventies, eighties money. Judy never did admit to any of
the crimes. She never did anything. She spent thirteen years on death row

(01:09:15):
and apparently passed the time by crochetingblankets and baby clothes. Super wholesome for
a murderer. Oh yeah, sheplayed this thing until the she died.
Yes, completely, Like she confessedher innocence when she was on trial.
She was like playing sympathy. Now. I do have to say, when

(01:09:41):
you are in an abusive situation,there's one thing that you learned to pick
up in its manipulation. Probably,Yeah, I could see that, and
so I do think that she inher head didn't because of the way she
killed them was not gruesome, soit wasn't as traumatic or she's like,
I've been through worse. I wasbeing I had, I think so in

(01:10:05):
my theory, I feel because theway that they died was in a more
gruesome as off. Yeah, butit was more like they were sick and
that's how they died instead of likeI bludgeoned them to death. Sad was
more traumatic, right, I feellike she wasn't. She didn't really think

(01:10:29):
that it was that bad, right, Um, Like I think that she
knows that what she did. Butshe was like, I didn't do that,
So it was more easy where shewas able to be like because I
watched this one interview. No,it wasn't an interview. It was part
of her trial where obviously the witnessesand everything or testifying against her and doing

(01:10:55):
all that, and she is likeliterally glaring at them and like you,
I don't understand. You don't knowwhat happened in that boat because she said
a whole bunch of things in thatboat. She said there was a snake
in the boat. She said thatshe hit some timber a log that made
the canoe go over because it waslike sticking out in the water. She
said that her line when they werefishing got tangled into some woods and when

(01:11:17):
she was pulling it, it pulledthe canoe over. Listen, Judy,
did you realize that sometimes the storiesyou tell are lies? Yeah? She
told at just a complete crazy amountof theories that happened that just don't add
up, not one, And youcan only change your story so many times

(01:11:41):
before people are like, what thefuck? I think the snake in the
boat was the one that they werelike, how did you how did you
not want to notice the snake.How did two like not only you,
but the two other people with you. It's not like your boat like tipped
a little and did yeah and alike any if there was a quote unquote
snake snake in the boat, likeyou're probably fucking You're fine, scoop it

(01:12:08):
up like that, I would freakout. Now. Like the wood log
that she said she hit, Ican believe that one um the line wrapped
around some some timber and wood andstuff. Well, I want to know
how you know it was timber andwood if it's wrapped underwater under something like
you can say my line, yeah, my lion got caught. No,

(01:12:30):
that's pretty common, that's pretty commonin fishing. I feel like that's just
what I've been fishing and that's justsuper specific. Like I feel like you
could have just been like, myline got caught and that was it.
Well, yeah, that's what shesaid. My line got caught in the
in the in the in the trees, in the wood branches. That I
could understand. I could do thatone. I can. I can ride
with that one. It was asnake one where I was like, you

(01:12:50):
pulled from the bottom there, likeokay, nice trying nobody was going with
any of the other ones. Youdo not pass go, you don't win,
you bottom barrel. So she isquoting as having said, quote,
I have eternal security and I knowthat when I die, I will go
straight to heaven and I will seeJesus. Oh my god, I wish

(01:13:13):
I had. Let me see ifI can find um one quote that she
had, because I wanted I washoping that you would. You would.
Oh, I didn't say, like, this is like one of the few
I saw. So I'll keep goingand if you find the quote, you're
gonna do it. Um So herdaughter Kimberly, Remember she had three kids,
and Kimberly was one of James Goodyear'schildren. She did stay with her

(01:13:34):
mother by the entire like the entiretime. She believed her mom was actually
both kids, even James too.If I was James, I'd be like,
oh, should I know why youwanted me to build up bomb now?
Like ummm or whatever it was you. Yeah. She talks about how
well she worked a lot. Shewas still trying to do things with her
kids and basically still being a mom, you know, trying to balance everything.

(01:13:58):
Now in nineteen eighty eight, whenshe was fifty four years fifty four
years old. She was the firstwoman to be executed in Florida since eighteen
forty eight. And her case wasactually an episode of Deadly Women in two
thousand and eight and the episode iscalled Quote Dark Secrets. Interesting. I

(01:14:19):
can't find the quote, but thequote on the similar lines was like,
don't trust me. I have manyfaces and they are all lies. I
wish I can find the quote,and maybe I can, and maybe I
can find it and then I cansend it to you. But basically it
was like, I have many manyfaces and none of them are true.

(01:14:41):
She was like, you can't trustme? Yeah, And I mean I
can understand that when you're an abuseof a relationship, you hide behind a
persona or an identity that you createof yourself that is just out of denial.
I understand that. So I canunderstand. I can understand what she

(01:15:03):
meant by that quote. Yeah,okay, yeah, and it does make
sense. Oh yeah. There's somany quotes. There was like one about
her brother Robert, who she waslike always kind of paired with in childhood.
Quote, I wouldn't spit down histhroat with his gut through on fire.
So she was not a nice lady. Like I feel bad, but

(01:15:26):
you know what, there was onewoman who was able to get the last
interview with her. She was theonly reporter. You could look it up
on YouTube and even she said,she goes. It was so hard for
me to believe that she was thisevil because when you would talk to her
and when you would do anything,she was so like I. I even

(01:15:49):
listened to interviews that she did,and she just sounds like like this sweet
old lady. She does not seemlike like you. That's look at Dorothy
a point, like people thought thesame thing. And she was murdering fucking
people and bearing in her backyard.And I think that. Look at ed
Kemper, I'm going to bring himup, oh, because you haven't done

(01:16:10):
it in a while. Well wethink about Jesse, but like, look
at all of the look at okay, look at how um btk. I'm
waiting for you to say, Bundy. I wasn't going to because I was
trying to avoid it. But likelook at all of them, the way
how how they were well but wereso by facades, were so fooled.

(01:16:30):
Well that's what their faces by.You know, you know, he was
a priest, or not a priest, but he was part of his church
BTK, he was this lawyer andlike wrote this rate prevention thing and was
a part of a suicide hot lineand he is so hot. Like we
just think that, okay, allof that means you're a good person,
and it doesn't because that's well no, but perception is somebody's reality. So

(01:16:56):
if I'm super sweet to you andthen behind closed doors, I have a
full closet of like skulls and drippingdead bodies, but I was nice to
you in front of your face,like you wouldn't know, like you never
know how somebody is behind their bedroom. And this isn't to say like,
oh we should know this, likepeople should have known these people were killers,
because you never know. You're neverI can sit here and I don't

(01:17:19):
date exactly, hence why me andDvin are the single sisters. That and
we decided to have a true crimepodcast, Like I swear to god,
this is time we fill our Saturdaynight every previous time my friends get a
new boyfriend or they're talking to somebodyand they're telling me stuff. I'm like,

(01:17:39):
you know what, you know who? That sounds like that sounds exactly
like whatever killer I'll rattle off.I'm like they had the same freaking motive.
So yeah, that's Judy Buenoano.U were shocked up self. God,
that was a crazy one. Soyou said something about next week.
I do have an idea. I'mgonna run by you, Okay. I

(01:18:00):
actually have a couple ideas for acouple episodes, so we'll see how you
like it. So maybe the nexttwo episodes with bangers. I mean they're
going to be bangers anyway, becausewe're fucking hilarious, but I just mean
we're gonna have really more maybe morein depth cases, because the last few
have been like we don't know andlike shallow dives into a certain they have
been really like, honestly, ifthis was something I don't think you would

(01:18:24):
ever picked this one, I wouldn'thave no because it would have done research
on I've been like, that's interesting, but literally too short y, that's
it, Like I want more details. Yeah, like that's what I want.
So, um, if you havea story idea, maybe we can
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(01:18:44):
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