52. The Case That Almost Killed Me

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Hello, everybody, Welcome back toBlonde's Booze and Bullshite. I'm Courtney and
I'm Davin, and we welcome youback. And we have our guests still,
Yes, we do. So dependingon how this comes out, you're
either going to hear on many episodeor you did hear it and we have
We're a gamble, a good timeand a gamble. We really don't know
what's happening as an episode coming outthis week isn't not coming out this week.

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We're gonna get belligerent and drunk andnot know what she's talking about.
Maybe maybe Honestly, my goals forwhat we're planning by the end of the
year, that's what I'm hoping fordrunk, So I have so much like
it's gonna be done. It's gonnabe difficult, it's gonna be a difficult
one to get you drunk. Yeah, she's funny when she's drunk. It's

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for like. So we do haveguests, So we have loarely back.
You'll remember her from whatever episode itwas, I swear and we should have
looked this up a second elevator music. Oh no, it was episode seventeen
episode so it was a seven yes. So episode seventeen, Lorelei was on

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and we have Kenzie on for herfirst or second I guess episode. Yeah,
She's like, I don't here hereI'm taking overthinking, Well, now
we are talking. We actually havetwo blondes again on the podcast, so
the name actually works right now.We're not a lie, thank my whole
life Stilia. So it was afucking matter I relate to me. No,

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no, we're about all to that. So they don't know what we're
gonna have us and I'm so excited. But before we do get into that,
the case that nearly killed me?Oh my god, seriously, I
even usually I don't tell you todraw some notes back for this one,
I was like thirteen pages there.Since we and I would have I would

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have left it. But since wehave two other people, yeah that like
you know, obviously, I'm likeI for one, I don't know if
either one of us want to gothrough and edit of a three hour episode
that's what it turned out to be. Yeah, given a three hour episode
sole of your book, there wego. Yeah, or the title of

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this episode or both or both.I think we should name this one the
case that killed me? Thank you? Look at you. Thank you.
Ken already already contributing to so onthat note, we always ask our guest
questions. So my question for youis, what is the earliest case that
you remember that got you into truecrime? Oh? I have no idea,

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No, no, I watched cSI. Okay, what is your
what? Do you have a favoriteum person? Yeah? I'm a favorite
serial killer? Everybody has a favoriteserial questions that we ask here. That's
not wait wait, hold on,is that's not normal? Is that why
I'm single? Idol? Is thatwhy no one text me back? We

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were just talking? Is that howI go out to clubs and talk to
people about serial killers? So?Is that why they're keeping the distance?
It's not Corona. I just likedad, that bitch gun gut me.
I can't go to on a date. I'm like, so, who's your
favorite serial killer? And he's like, I got the check. It's like,
I don't want to be here.Is my mom name? Hold on?

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Mom? My mom says I haveto go home now. So sorry,
my mom said I can't play withcrazy talk to strange. I think
they're what you were talking about whenwe were saying stranger danger. That's you.
You're the post or child for thatright, Okay, I'm still thinking
and so okay, okay, maybenot a favorite wouldn't be a great word.

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What would you say? Okay inlike, yeah, the most interesting
case that you've heard of or mhmm, lorly go, No, I
don't. I don't think Loreally hasone. No, I don't. I
honestly don't think I've ever sat downand researched anyone or looked him up.
I listened to a lot of thingslike I'm yeah, okay, um,

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mama, is there? So doyou like more? Like the creepiest one
to me is Charles Manson by far. Yeah. I don't know why,
but he creeps me out. Yeah, he's pretty creepy and it's but it's
weird to me because he never didany of the actual murders, so he
kept his hands clean. Yeah,but he is by far the creepious.

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Yeah, I'll give you that one. I agree. Yeah, that's like
my number one case, as youknow, are you going to talk about
him in this one? No,I don't know why it would. I
didn't see Oh wait, never mind, I'm thinking somebody else who temper Oh

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yeah, I was like, waitwhen I was doing the questions. I
was like, are we going torefer to him? And then no,
sorry, wires crossed well on here. Well that's my excuse always. All
right, Well, you know,I keep thinking of Michael Myers too.
I have a lot of favorite fictionaltheorial here, Like, we really going

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to talk about Michael Myers. Iwas like, no, we'll talk about
a real one. So Laurie Strodewas s born. He's had his head
cut off about fifty thousand times.Honestly, I hate that franchise so much.
I'm not even gonna lie can't standit. Yes, I don't like
him. I'm not a fan ofeither one of them, that one,

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Jason or Oh no, I don't. I don't like Jason or Hallo.
I don't. I'm all right withFreddy, Yeah, because he's the best
one. Yeah, that's the one. That's Robert England, my guy.
Else everybody else. I was like, man, I can run. I
don't give a shit like this,mother your dreams, dreams, You're not
safe. No. So yeah,no, that one terrifies. Well did

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you hear he's on board for onemore movie? So there's rumors like he's
like, yeah, I do itand I'm like, can we do it?
No, New Nightmari is the bestone. Yeah, after so much,
I'm like, okay, I getit, You're Freddy go away.
Oh no, I would so takeit. After they did the remake with
the other guy, when they didlike Freddy versus Jason, that was totally

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like they brought him out of thedream. Yeah. That was revolutionary trying
to kill each other. Yeah,exactly, just sitting there a popcorn.
I'm like, oh my god.There's also been rumors like, oh,
they're gonna do another one. Arethey're gonna bring like Michael Myers into it
or or Pinhead? And speaking ofserial killers, they are doing another season

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of Dexter. Okay, I neverwatched that show, so I did hear
that though, But I haven't watcheda great show like I love that show.
Robin Hood serial Killers. He wasum, he would take out bad
people. So but the ending ofthe last season was shit. Anybody wants

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to come at me. I don'tgive so many heart people. It is
like you're like that, that thatis how you That's how you do him,
That's how you do everybody. Fuckyou couldn't burn everything, like I
wanted to write a strongly worded letter, but I was like, now and
now they're coming out with another tenepisodes, and I'm like, you better

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fix your shit, you better fixthis because this is a mess. And
this has been going on for likeI think that show canceled in like two
thousand and what fifteen wow, orstopped and wasn't canceled, just ended in
two five years. I've been pisseddemptiontime, right time, if it makes
you feel better. That's how Iwas with How I Met Your Mother until

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I finally watched the alternate episode,alternate ending that they put out, like
they put it out right away becauseeveryone was pissed about how that ended.
I never I never, like Iwatched The Savage so I love that show
so much when it was on,but I never watched it. Like content
ending was bullshit, I hate Ohmy god. It was just like,
Okay, we know we laid thisgroundwork here, and they kind of had

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like two parallels, like I couldhave gone either way, but I just
should have gone the other way,and it didn't. And I'm like,
what was the point of the lastliterally four seasons, Like I'm really confused.
What about going back to Mind Hunters? Did anyone watch that? Yeah,
me and you have watched it.She hasn't. Season I'm gonna I'm
gonna need you to back the fuckup. I saw season one first of

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all. It's just season two.Does come at me, jesus, I
are personally attacked? Yeah? Yeah, because when you were to what's new,
I know I crossed our barrier,like damn, okay, Well they

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talk about No, they're hinting atthe BTK killer in every single episode.
Yes, and you have no ideawho he is. I mean they don't
actually talk about it, and theydon't they're not investigating him, and then
it stops it just yeah, wellthat's because probably they didn't catch him because
he was He wasn't caught yet.He wasn't doing anything. So if I

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take this floppy disk, y'all can'tcatch me, right, and if he
is like no, no, giveit to us, Like, okay,
it was you promise girl scouts onher right, What were you gonna say
about my BTK? Well no,it was they would hint at it in

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the beginning of every episode to you, oh, that they were going to
talk about him, little snippets ofit. Yeah, but he was never
he wasn't a thing yet. Theydidn't know who he was. Literally just
stopped. It stopped because they didn'thave funding or something. I don't know.
Well, yeah, season three ison hold for some reason, and
I haven't read why, but it'syeah, it's dumb because they're building that

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character arc today, their license plates. I'd be t k that we stay
away from them more, or youpull them over and be like, I'm
into that too. So we're friends, right, I want to get drinks.
Dear God, Oh my gosh.Okay, Actually the story. I

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got in an accident. This oldman hit me with his van and he
was he was very share I thoughtthis a very weird vibe. And he
was German. Not that that matters, I don't know. So we pull
into a parking lot and he's talkingto me. He goes, yeah,
did you say, didn't you seemy license plate? He goes, that's

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unfortunate, isn't it? It wassix six? So I met the devil
guy. Wonder I assumed German andthat I didn't see that coming. Didn't
see that coming. I thought that, Okay, now we know, now
we know the devilest German and drivesa van creepy, fitting fitting. It's

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still the Devil's right, it fits. It's true. I don't think it's
because I think it's just cold.We'll say it's because the devil. I
was gonna stretch the truth. Yeah, it's the devil, all right,
So should we it's the death getthe leashes. The spirits are coming.

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Okay, so should we pause fora break and come back to our case.
Okay, you guys are need abottle of wine for this, because,
like I said, this case alsoalmost killed me. So oh yeah,
we're gonna have our whiskey punch andsome wine. We're gonna let that
get the fuck I can't. Ican't. Yeah, we'll be right back,

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all right, welcome back. Doyou guys want to guess who are
covering? They happened. You shouldsee him in the kitchen. They were
like, it's true. She wastrying to go. She was like this
one. This one. I waslike really impressed on how much she was
like putting out and I was like, no, but she has to.
I mean she was on the righttrack. Okay, Well, all I
know is it has to do withHalloween. Not really, No, it

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doesn't happen. I mean it waskind of in a way you could twist
it well because the one thing youtold me to think, how l think
HALLOWEENI yes, because think HALLOWEENI Imean if I say one thing, it's
just I know, yeah, exactsame thing. Okay, so I'm thinking
of mask kinda oh, step backfrom it. I don't know. He

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is so good. It's not theguy who skinned people, is it?
No? And more than no,No, we don't. We've done him.
No, it's not. It's notEdgaan good one though, but no,
gentle guy having grace, just tryingto get his mom back, that's
it. Just a mom's boy witha little bit more he needed. It

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was a necromancer I don't know boy. And then he got but he got
it, he got invented. Hewas like, look at this lamp made.
Do you like my new freshly madeLook at this? Okay, all
ladies, do you see the apronduke as wows real great work, impeccable

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stitching. Check out my pinterested allthe unmade, all from America, a
person American. Wo oh man?That that that that Seaton he we said

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this last episode too, like justcementing yourself. Any other guess is before
we announce it. No idea,all right, wait, hold on,
I'll give you okay, yeah,yeah, I know I will. Okay.
So, I don't know if youhave seen this, but the house
went up for sale recently. HowI thought they burned it down? No,

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isn't there one that like the house? They like redd a house or
something that like for sale. Yousent it to me or I sent it.
It would have had to be inthe other house then, yeah,
the Iowa one. Yeah, Ithink so, Okay, I think it
did. Because you said it,I have I have a hint for you,
okay. Um, Zach Begans hasa piece of this person has a

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piece of the person? Yes,does he have his brain? He has
a sprain? M he has it? I thought no, I thought somebody
a girl. He has a pieceof it. He has a piece of
the brain. I was gonna say, because the lady has it because she
wanted to do research on So you'rethrowing me off though, because I think

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of ghosts, I think of ZachVegans. Okay, Um, like thinking
about I'm thinking about his history.Oh, oh crap, the clown it's
his name? His name is Iwatched the movie He Killed the Boys?

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Keep going and he made a stew? Did he got me on the stew?
He did it? But I knowwho it is. He shares a
name with Marley say it, yeah, say it? Used your voice?
No, I a clown? What'shis name? His name is John Wayne,

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John Wayne Gacy? Thank you Googlelistened. I just heard today John
Wayne someone with the name j Yeah, yeah, John Wayne. That was
gonna be my Hunt Storry yeah,or the Country Stars a random person.
Yeah. Yeah, so yeah,we're we're doing a John Wyne Gacy and

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um, we figured it was Wefigured it was kind of fitting clowns.
Yes, uh huh Halloween, eventhough he didn't do like Halloween clowns,
but you know he was er soyeah, he was a killer and he
wore a clown costume. I don'tknow what else you want, Like,
really, what more do you Doesit get more Halloween than that? Right?

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No, it's the real version.In not i'd I'd prefer Tim Curry
or the Heart Scots Guard whatever hisname is, the hot one, Yes,
thank you. Yeah, he wasthe original in eighty one Alexander Scart
it was it which what's oh BillyScars Guard. It's Billy right? I

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think he did. He's the newit. So even though you would look,
I mean, you'd be like,she probably loves horror movies. I
fucking don't. Okay, No,I don't watch them. Don't love no
shit happens when I watched it givesme too much anxiety, Like I don't
like, I don't. I don'tmind like watching old scary movies, but

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the anxiety, like it's just itgets to me too much. I'm like,
just fuck pop out now scared.I can see you, I feel
the rising. And then they getme with all that music. Don't don't,
don't yeah, and I'm like Ican't take it. It's too much
for me, too much. Butall day you see, that's where terrifying

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to me. I'm like, thisshit really happened. It's it's worse.
Yeah, it's worse. It's wayworse. Not me. I'm like no,
because I can factor in human error. So I would be like,
m no, like with a movielike it's all perfect, like you don't
hear them coming. I can hearyou coming. I have I have,
I have good ears, so Iknow if you're gonna step on that leaf,
leaf that crick, I got you. I know better just start running.

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Yeah, Like, I'm not stupidenough to run upstairs. That's one
of the rules. You don't goupstairs. We all watch Scream. That's
one of the rules. You don'tgo upstairs. But what if Sydney Prescott
do right up the motherfucking stairs andsomehow she still lived? No, all
right, God, let's be honest. You hear something in your house,
You're not gonna sit there and I'mgonna waiting for something to come down.

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I'm gonna She's like, I'm gonnalea listen, I'm taking the screen off
my bedroom window and I'm out.I have an escape plan if something happens,
I'm like, I know, havingto get out. So I was
just talking about this to my bestfriend. She has an escape plan.
I'm like, every woman should havean escape plan. Yeah, in their
house you should. So anyways,recovering um gacy and fuck this case,

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that's for sure. Um. Healso went by the Killer Clown aka Pogo
the Clown even worse. Also,Patches the Clown is his other alter ego.
I didn't hear patches. Oh justwait how he describes them. It's
disgusting. So he was born onMarch seventeenth, nineteen forty two, in

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Chicago, and he was the secondchild to John Stanley Gacy and Mary Marian
Elaine Robinson. He was also theonly son. He had two older sisters.
I believe um or he was amiddle child. His father may have
been an ottawapair mcchanist and he wasa World War One vet. His mother
was a homemaker, so pretty traditionalkind of upbringing for the time. Nothing

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too out of the ordinary, especiallyin the realm in which his father was
an alcoholic, and him and hissisters did have a hard time with really
relating to him because of that,and also because he was verbally and physically
abusive to them and their mom.So it was not a great childhood.
His father would constantly demean him.He would call him dumb, stupid,

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you know. He was like,Oh, you're probably gonna grow up queer
like Gate. I don't remember whatthe quote was. He wasn't wrong,
No, he wasn't I wasn't wrong. I So, I mean, I
can't say, but I think ifthey nurtured his cross dressing and nurtured his

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hold cross dressed though, well,okay, I'm sorry. No, he
didn't know he didn't. Sorry,he just stole a lot of things.
But I think that if they wouldhave um like nurtured a little bit more
of some of his sexuality, Idon't think he would have been so crazy.
Well look, I mean I thinkhe would have killed still killed people,
but I don't think that he wouldhave been um so rampant. So

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his mom, his mom did tryhard to shield him from the abuse.
Unfortunately that did make it worse,at least for Gacy, probably for both
of them, honestly. Well,she found his she found her under she
went to go she went to goget some underwear, and she looked at
her drawer and it was there,none there, And so she found them
underneath the crawl space that the dadhad um built for them to like hang

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out or whatever. And she didn'twant to tell him because he was going
to beat the ship because he alwaysbeat the ship out of the kid,
and so she tried to shield it. But it didn't work. Like the
dad John knew the dad John,he knew what was happening. He knew
what was going on, and sohe still beat him with I think a

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shaving strap, yeah, the razorstrap. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
so in nineteen forty nine, Gacyand another little boy were caught fondling a
young girl and Gacy's dad whipped himwith a razor strap. Um, and
that's like, you know the straphe used to sharpen razors in the olden
days. Yeah, one of thosenut pleasant and so at this time though,

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Gacy's only seven years old when heis caught fondling this little girl.
Um. That same year, afamily friend was said to have abused him
as well. He was sexually assaultedby the contractor. It was like a
family friend. He was a contractorand he would like go in his truck
and apparently he was something would happen. We don't know details that it is
sexually abuse. He was probably raped, but we don't really know much details

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about it. Um. He nevertold his dad. He didn't want to
probably be blamed for the abuse.But there was also a little the little
girl that took him into the woods. Oh did a little girl do something
to him too? Yeah? There, Well, I don't know how little
shot was. They didn't really sayso. They they they she took him
into the woods where they're like therewas a lot of brush and people couldn't

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see and then he tried to tellhis mom and his mom was like sure,
no, and that was it.And then look but also if you
look like he he downplanes like hehas another like his first quote homosexual experience.
It was rape. It wasn't.Oh yeah, it wasn't like consensual.
But it's weird like because he downyou know, it was downplayed for

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him, and then this happens,and then it's downplayed for everyone else by
him, like he downplanes what hedoes to everyone else. Well, yeah,
because I mean because everybody downplayed whathappened to him exactly wrong. It's
normal, it is fine, it'sit's not a big deal. Like Carol
Bundy, everybody didn't. I'm sorry, I can't. And it's not the
other one. Thank you, Isaid, Carol Bundy, don't look at

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me like that. Okay, justHarry, it's coming. Can we count
that as her first saying it?Come on? But she did it,
she did it? She no,no, no, no, when it
comes with facts, when when youyep, come on, I know it's
coming, I know you have something. Why ever would you think that after

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you're doing this? Yeah, okay, So Gacy also had a heart condition
and this prevented him from like doingsports and doing pe and everything, and
at one point in fourth grade hestarted having these blackouts. So for a
long period of time he was justin and out of the hospital. He
had what was it a burst appendixor something that happened a little bit after
this, and his dad was like, you're faking it. You just want

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sympathy. I'm like, I don'tthink you can fake a burst appendix,
but I can only kill you.But you're fine, you know you're fine.
I'm totally fine. You don't eventry to go to the hospital,
so, like, what's going on. But it's like his mom and his
sisters were like, no, he'sfine, But like his grades went down
and between like the ages of fourteenand eighteen, he believes that he spent

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about a full year total in thehospital just based on everything that was going
on. When he was eighteen,he got involved in politics. Yes,
um, he worked as an assistantprecinct captain for the Democratic Party and this
resulted in his dad calling him apatsy m so gacy. Like he of

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course turned psychologists on himself and waslike, yeah, I probably got involved
into politics because I never got attentionfrom my dad, and this was a
way to get attention. So thisis why I did it. Cool and
politics, Yes, yes, Hi, I'm gonna call bullshit for five hundred

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Yes, so that's what he claimed. Um, I don't know, I
don't know. Look at me,dad pro life Yeah, just kidding,
I'm killing bitches. Well, thankwhat, his dad did die before his
killings restarted. So so could hebe democratic if he's not for a life?

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Democrats are pro choice, though,He's like, oh no, never
mind, I'm just gonna kill everybody. It's fine, No one matters,
no one will notice. They're justkid prostitutes. The fuck baby prostitute.
So at some point, Gasy forsome reason, he drives to LA and

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he works for an ambulance service andhe was only there for a few months
before he decides, you know,going to be fun. I'm going to
be an attendant at Palm mortuary.So m hmmm, and you see where
this is going. I went toyour guests to what he does. He
likes dead people. I mean hedoes that. This probably started his like
he climbs, He climbs in acall often and caresses a child. Yeah,

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he do. Flinds on a coffinand Caress is a child. Yeah.
So so basically while working there,he he would sleep on a cot
that was literally right by the embalmingroom, so he was always right there.
Of course he watched the things happen, which is normal if you're gonna
work in a mortory. Like nothingweird. But then, like she said,
one night, he decides to climbinto the coffin of a teenage boy.

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He embraces the body, he caressesit before quote experiencing a sense of
shock after this, why because Iwas a sudden He's like, no,
do you know what? It's probablylike it's probably like ed Gaen where he's
like, not again, how Iget it here? Every time he robbed

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another grave, like it's it's probablysomething like that where he just like maybe
he blacked out again. Yeah exactly, Yeah, he had another He's like,
oh shit, He's like, haven'tdone this before. Let's go in
own and climb out. No onesaw it, right, I was fixing
his hair, do you know?Funerals tomorrow going to make sure. So

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after this, he calls his momand is like can I come back home?
And she has to run it bythe dad. I forget what happened.
Let something happened with a car orsomething, and you know, his
dad like was like get out orI don't know, but his dad was
like, you can come back,and so he does. He goes back
to Chicago, and once home,he enrolls in Northwestern Business College, despite

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never having graduated from high school,and he graduates the college in sixty three.
Upon graduation, he does take aposition at the Noon Bush Show Company,
and in nineteen sixty four they transferhim to Springfield, Illinois, where
he works as a salesman, andhe meets his future wife, Marilyn Myers,
and in March of nineteen sixty four, they get engaged. Should be

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a fun time, right, It'snot according So around this time he joined
something called the Local JCS. Andthis was a local AKA let me just
fuck everybody, literally that's what theywould do too. Yes, So well,
what it's really it's a leading it'sa business group to like train for

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like civic stuff and like leading leadershiptraining for those between eighteen to forty.
And it's a business type group.And in April of nineteen sixty four he's
named key Man, which I don'tfucking good for you. I don't know
what that means. But I didn'teither. I was like, what the
fuck is he doing? Yeah,key man who like okay. And then
but also when he came back fromdoing that mortuary shit too, he came

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back cocky. Fuck like. Hecame back like, yeah, I lay
with dead people, come at me. I don't care. Well, but
he was also he did that.He was very cocky a lot like people
when he goes to Iowa the jc'sthere were like, yeah, he's cocky,
but he does great fundraising and likehe remember it's the whole thing,
and he ye hmmm. So thisis also the year that he has his

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first homosexual experience quote unquote, andno, that's not what it was.
So whoa, that's how I feelabout that. So he So it was
him and a coworker and they werein the Springfield jac's together and this man

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got him pretty drunk and was like, hey, you're drunk, come back
to my apartment. Right, Fine, Well, he's like, you can
sleep on my sofa. It's allgood. Sure, yeah, yeah,
I mean every everyone in here islike every woman's like this is a very
eerie. Yeah. Anytime a man'slike, come sleep on my couch.

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No, friend, I'm gonna decline, gonna go to take an uber and
go a lot of pizza. Yeahbefore I go with you. Thank you,
my vajna going to go that way. Good days, Okay, I
said, So what happens is thecolleague quote performs oral sex on him,

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aka he was raped by this manand not. But he was like,
yeah, that was my first experience. And again all of his experience up
to this point, except with Maryland, probably are rape. Oh yeah,
we really are. Yeah. SoDacy and Maryland they get married in nineteen
sixty four and somehow the dad waslike okay. Not her dad was like,

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we're gonna buy some KFC's and youcan run them. Happy marriage,
Congratulations, here's KFC which which no, but he is because he would have
been really dumb to turn this downbecause so they would have had to.
So they would move to Waterloo,Iowa for this. They would manage three

(31:52):
chains and then they would move intohis parents' house. And but he would
be making fifteen thousand dollars a year, but in today's money is one hundred
fifteen thousand dollars. Yes, yes, no, So that he had a

(32:16):
franchise, he would run a franchiseof KFC in Iowa. M Yeah.
Yeah. But on top of thatmoney, he's also going to get a
share of the restaurant's profit. Sohe may not have wanted to do it,
but it's dumb to turn it downbecause that's a fucking shit ton of
money. Are a kid. Butsee here's where he was probably like,
wait a minute, I got arestaurant, a fast food restaurant. What

(32:38):
works in a fast food restaurant?Exactly? Teenage kids, teenage boys,
just like a plethora of them.Yeah. Well, I wonder if at
what point he was like, yeah, I like kids, like where when
did that fight? Mmmm? Wellno, I know why, but it
just when did it happen? Whenwe were like, yeah, that looks
fine. Honestly, I adults.I think that I don't think that young

(33:01):
adults. Technically they were like fifteento like twenty something, but like there
were a lot of really young ones. Oh yeah, I think that he
didn't have just because he had sucha weird introduction to sex and sexual things
that it's just a blurred line.Yeah, for sure, there's there's no

(33:22):
boundaries for him. Yeah, grownadult man, adult a young adult?
Is you can persuade them and justabout it. Oh, yeah, you
can manipulate a mind, and hedoes. He does. The way he
does it he did. The wayhe abuses these boys is like, um,

(33:44):
training, or I wanted to seewhat you were gonna do, or
you passed a test. Yes,this was a moral test and he was
a test and you did it likeyeah, something like that. He would
pitch on hitchhikers'd be like, oh, you can stay at my place,
like I can get you a job, yeah, or yeah he would he
would offer him a job, orhe would um say you know, he

(34:04):
would try to handcuff him or doall these things, and they'll get into
his quote tricks. Yeah. Andthen when he got out and he's like,
oh, good for you, likeyou passed the test, good job,
Like this is what I was wanting. He was like, Oh,
it wasn't me trying to rape you. That was a test. Good job.
Yeah. Like, and he woulddo advances on these kids and then
he would turn it around and belike no, no, no, I'm

(34:25):
just joking. And these are hisemployees. Yeah. Yes, that's another
thing, because there's one thing Iremember where he's he's looking into the bedroom
of a young boy who's working forhim getting dressed or something, and he
sees him and then he confronts himand he's like, oh, yeah,
yeah, I know it was atest. It was this, it was
that. And then he handcuffs themtoo. Well, no, because doesn't

(34:50):
he find out if they're on,if they're gay or not. At that
point, I don't know, Idon't. Yeah, I was like,
I don't think movies, so Idon't. I don't know a lot.
But the handcuffing, it looked likewas to get them restrained, so yeah
he could. Yeah, okay,here's what started, Like, oh look
I can get out of this.Yeah, I'll talk about that a little
bit more. And then he wouldstrangle them. Yeah that's what he's like.

(35:15):
Oh literally, when it was likeyeah he would, he would perform
a magic trick or his clown act. I'm like, kill me. If
he started doing it. I waslike, you can just kill me now,
like I don't need to fucking watchthis ship. I'll do it for
you. Yeah I'm not a participant, thank you. I want to show
you my magic. I'd rather diepass Like yeah, exactly, where's the

(35:37):
rope for real? So but okay, and on this point. So once
they move into his parents house orher parents house, he opens up a
quote club. And this was forhis employees at KFC to come and hang
out and drink under age and playpool and blah blah blah. And but
so both like both sexes were comingthere, right it was boys, girls

(36:00):
whatever, But he was only socializingwith the young boys, the teenagers.
Yea, how do you get teenagers? Yeah no, I'm just saying like,
but he would be they did,they had alcohol, and that was
he would also I already thought Iwas an alcoholic. You don't remind it.

(36:22):
Whereas the alcohol please and thank you. You see vodka, wine,
spritzers, got it. I'm there, so I don't care what it is.
I'll be there as an ABH level. I'll be there. High is
Oh no, I don't come outfor anything lower than an eight percent what

(36:45):
course a percent or higher. That'swhere I'm at. Don't even look at
me if but yeah, so hewould try to get them drunk. He
would or even like a bit buzzbefore then he would make the sexual advances
and if they would call him onit, he would be like, oh,
it was just a joke or youpassed a moral test? Like what
moral? I don't have what Idon't have to pass any kind of tests

(37:07):
to work for you? Motherfucker?What do you mean moral test? Me?
Yeah? Oh you gropped me andI passed. Thank thank you.
Yeah I'm supposed to say to that, where's my prize? Here's gonna wait?
Do I get a free day off? Because maybe I'll let you touch
a boob? Like seriously. Soin nineteen sixty six, So in February

(37:30):
that year, the couple they dohave their first child. It's a son,
and then a year later they havea daughter. And looking back on
this period of his life, Gasey'slike, this is the happiest time of
my life because his dad finally approves. So when they visit around that year.
The next year, I think it'sthe same year at least his son
was born. His dad is like, my son, I was wrong about

(37:52):
you. So you So he finallygets what he wants right having kids.
Well after he because he sees alllike everyone's doing all the work he's doing
with the family volunteer work, umall the he finally has a son.
He he's a family man. He'skind of come come around. He actually

(38:15):
apologizes to him. He was like, yes, yes, I'm sorry I
treated you like I I abused youa lot. I you know, I
did all. I did a horriblethings to you. I mistreated you in
a long ways. But like,I'm super proud of you being my son,
and like, which I wonder ifhe if he apologized to anyone else

(38:36):
for the abuse, because he abusedall of them, the daughters, the
mom him, did he apologize tothem too? I like a part of
me, I'm like, can weback check that, dad, Like,
did you like all of a sudden, My dad was like he approves,
I'm good. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's why I don't trust it,
he says, yeah, because ohgod, because yeah, he's a freaking

(38:57):
I want to do it so bad, I'm gonna say it. I can't
can't do it yet, which youknow what I'm talking about. What I
want to mention the psychology, Isay it again. So of course,
so right, remember they were instood Yeah right, I just gonna whisper
really closely so much. That wasgreat. So remember so in Springfield,

(39:24):
Illinois, he was in the localjc's there. So when he goes to
Waterloo, of course he's I'm tiredof wording about the JCS. He was
in there, all up in theirbusiness all day, every day, all
the time, fundraising all these organizationalthings, and it's like, good for
you, I don't care. Sobut he was. He joined it again.
He did the same thing there.But the thing about and I don't
know if this was just the WaterlooJCS or if this was like all of

(39:45):
them, They would participate in wifeswapping, prostitution, pornography, and drug
use. So business leaders, myass In August of sixty seven, things
start to get even more concerned.So he sexually assaults fifteen year old Donald
Vorhees, who was the son ofa fellow JAC member. Gacy lures Vorhees

(40:07):
to his house to show him porno'sum. Gacy then gives, how do
you initiate that conversation? That's whatI don't That's why I never fucking get
about this. It's like, hey, amateur acting, see. But my
question is was he like, Hey, do you want to make a porn
or do you want to watch aporno? How do you feel about plumbers

(40:28):
and pizza guys? Yay nay,postman, Yeah, how do you want
to do this? I took.I took No, I can't delivered a
nice packet a milkman. Shut thefuck up wrapped, Kay follows your advice.

(40:53):
You have a fan groupie, um, I took it as he had
porn that he was like, doyou want to watch porn? Not make
porn? I don't know in whatcapacity, but somehow he's like, hey,
do you want to watch a porno? And that's just gross? Sure,
like okay. To this day,if somebody was like, do you
want to watch a porn? I'dbe like, but also consider the fact

(41:15):
he's that's married with kids, andhe's in his mid thirties or so,
and you're fifteen. This thirty yearold man is like, you want to
watch a porner? Like no,I don't like. I'm good. Well
maybe it's a fifteen year old boy. He's like, sign me up.

(41:36):
Yes, Can I get a copyof that? Wait? Was that beta?
Can I get a copy of thatbeta? That's all I was like,
I don't know what that is?Don't know what beta is? No,
I think that was a hurricane nametwenty years ago. Yeah, we're
letter. Yeah, it was beforeVHS's assholes. There was something before VHY.

(42:04):
No idea. Oh my goodness.So he's he gives Vorhes alcohol,
he gets him drunk, and thenquote persuades him to perform oral sex.
So I'm assuming that he does iton gaycy So this was a common tactic
and emo of his. We seethis throughout his sexual So he rapes a
lot of boys before he starts murderingthem, So this is he would do
this the same every time. Andhe even quote encourages one teenage boy to

(42:30):
have sex with his own wife.And it's like, hey, so if
you don't want me to tell anyonethat you just had sex with my wife,
which I basically just raped my wifeand that's cool. Whatever, You're
gonna give me a blowjob. That'show this is gonna work. Yeah.

(42:51):
So, from what I understood,his wife didn't know that he was gay,
and she found pornographic images and thatwas wife's second wife. Yeah,
yes, you're right, Yeah wifetoo. But we're gonna pause here for
a break, and when we whenwe whoa, words are hard. When
we come back, we're gonna strokeabout more of what happens after he rapes

(43:15):
or he's welcome back. So inMarch of nineteen sixty eight, Voorhees does
tell his father that hey, Gacyassaulted me, okay, and so his
father then calls the cops. Gacy'sarrested and charged with oral sodomy and then
attempted assault of a sixteen year oldboy named Edward Lynch. So these cases

(43:36):
kind of run parallel. They cameto like at the same time. But
Gacey, of course is like,I didn't do it. It was like,
give me a polygraph, which likedoesn't do shit, bitch, okay,
cool and ocean, I don't knowwhy. Yeah, fuck that polygraph.
Well, but also what's interesting isthat we hooked up to one.
You're like, I would be sonervous all the time, exactly. I've

(43:59):
heard a story. Psychology teacher toldme she was Oh my gosh, she
was the most badass ever. Right, So her and her husband took a
test. He told the truth onevery single question. Did not pass.
She said she lied her way throughit, and because she was so calm,
like, she passed exactly, youcan be. So let me tell

(44:19):
you something about that woman. Sheis scary as fuck, because that means
she can lie and believe herself.She was very scary. Yeah, that
is not a lady to be trustedand now I would get a divorce after
that. Yes, yeah, yeah, no, that right there, That
is a So we're gonna be reportingabout her probably in a couple of years
what's her name or in Google searchher later I know, right, wait

(44:42):
for next weekend. If anybody cancalmly lie you your your antisocial Yeah,
there's a different Yeah. So thepolygraph showed that he was nervous when he
denied that he did anything wrong toboth these young boys. And they said
young men, but I'm wikipedia,they're young boys. He was indicted on

(45:06):
May tenth of nineteen sixty eight,but he's only indicted on the one charge
of sodomy. So I don't knowif Edward Blench, if there wasn't enough
evidence, if he backed out ofthe trial, which is understandable, like
I don't know what happened there ifyou drop charges. But Gacy of course,
just can't help himself. He's alreadyabout to go to jail for a
prison for this, and he's like, hey, Russell Schroeder, who's eighteen,

(45:29):
why don't you like go beat himup so he doesn't testify against me
and shoulders what they did. Yes, he did Shoulders, one of his
employees, and he pays him threehundred dollars to do this. So in
early September, he lures Vorhees tocountry park, maces him and beats him.
Vor He's escapes. He then goesto the cops and it's like,
hey, I was assaulted, andI know who did it, so here

(45:52):
it was this guy. And then, of course, you know, they
arrest Schroeder and he's like, okay, Gacy made me do it, so
I don't know, and they're likeokay. And so then Gaycy is arrested
again and give an additional charge forwhat I'm assuming what would be the equivalent
of like witness intimidation, tampering witha witness or something like that. They

(46:14):
didn't really specify what the exact chargewas. Yeah, that's what I'm assuming.
So on September twelve, Gaysy isordered to go under psychiatric eval and
two doctors do his examination, andthis happens over seventeen days, and they
say he has antisocial personality disorder,which is from my basic understanding because unlike
Gaycy, I don't pretend I'm apsychologist. It's an add if you go

(46:37):
a couple of episodes. You areI do Yeah, She's like, I'm
telling you, yeah, sure,yeah right. But so this is an
umbrella term for like, so beinga why can't I think of this sociopathy
and psycho psychopath? Can you sayit? I don't know what's happening right
now? Psychopathy? Thank you?Yeah, I don't know what I had

(47:00):
to think about this psychopathy? Yes, okay, there it is. Look
we all did it? Oh mygod? Yeah? Wait are we just
trying to channel? Like I knowI have a mirror? Wait? What
is what would we be channeling withthat? You know? Yeah, So
it's an umbrella term for those whichshould I do it? Yeah? It

(47:24):
was also what Bundy was said tobe as well. He was supposed to
he couldn't help yourself, he wassaid to be you said I could do
it? And also I don't knowwhy this counts. I didn't say ted
Bundy except now, but whatever.But he was also rumored to be also
antisocial, which would make sense withthose two being under the umbrella. But
they also say that Gaysy would probablynot benefit or improve from therapy at all

(47:49):
inner inner Branch and anything like that, and that his behavior pattern as they
saw it. Now would quote bringhim into repeated conflict with society? Bam
bam? Why was he released?Like what was this? And like that
was fine? The cops fucked uproyally on him. But then again,
this was the time that they weren'ttalking to people because they didn't even know
about his first charge. With hissecond later, I mean they know,

(48:14):
I mean they found it. That'show they were like, oh shit,
we gotta go find him. Afterhe murdered thirty other people, They're like,
oh, now we can go tohis record like man exactly, yeah
that too, Yeah, yeah forsure. And then so on November seventh
of nineteen sixty eight, he actuallypleads guilty to the one zodemy charge.
He does get ten years, andhis wife is like, perfect divorce.

(48:37):
How long did he serve We'll getto it in a second, yes,
eighteen months, that's it. Goodbehavior. Fuck you. He did the
same fucking things. So his wife. His wife does divorce him and asked
for ownership of the house and soulcustody. She gets it, and they
never see each other again. Henever drew his kids ever again. Um,

(49:01):
And basically that's that. Unsurprisingly,Gaycy is a model prisoner. He
starts or joins another JC chapter inprison, and he's going through you know,
he's doing whatever. There's not littleboys in there, so duh.
Yeah, he's like, I needto get out. I can't tunnel out.
I need something. Um and soin June of nineteen sixty nine,

(49:22):
he does try for parole. Heis denied. In nineteen seventy he is
granted parole with twelve months of probation, and he does go back to Chicago
to live with his mom. Whilehe was in prison, his dad does
die. He does take it veryhard. Yeah, he took it personal.
Yeah, he was him, butyeah, it was arosion of the
liver, like, yes, hehad literally yes, oh yeah, it

(49:45):
was literally because he was an alcoholic, correct, Yeah that's what it was.
So and so, yeah, hestarved eighteen months out of his ten
year sentence, and he also hasa ten pm curfew as a part of
his probation. Now, when herelocates, he does find a job as
a short order cook. Of course, he doesn't stay out of trouble.

(50:05):
He can't help himself, and onFebruary twelfth of nineteen seventy one, he's
charged yet again for sexually assaulting ateenage boy. The boy said Gacy lured
him to his car from a Greyhoundbus terminal, drives him to his house,
tries to rape the boy. However, he like this, so that
all happened. Somehow he gets away. I don't know what happened after that,
But then the boy doesn't appear incourt, so they have to dismiss

(50:29):
the charges. And that's basically thatis that the same kid he so he
tried to tie him up and thekid got out. No, that's a
different one. That's Anthony something.Okay. So on June twenty second,
he's arrested yet again and then chatcharged with aggravated sexual battery. And this

(50:49):
is after another boy claimed that Gaysshowed him a sheriff's badge which he does
a lot to a lot of kids, and gets him into his car,
forces him to perform oral sex.The charm just are dropped yet again after
it was discovered that this boy wastrying to blackmail Gaycy as well. So
like I get, I don't know, I don't. That sucks. That's
just and that really sucks um andall of this, by the way,

(51:14):
he's on parole. He's on parolein Iowa, but he's doing this in
Illinois, and Iowa doesn't fucking knownone of this because if they knew,
he would have been back in prisonafter number one exactly what. Also,
yeah, they don't know. Theydidn't find out until like what was it?
I have it soon, but theydon't find out until after his parole

(51:36):
ended. So he's doing this andhe had what I don't remember what the
probation was, but after his parole'sup, they then they find out about
it, so they can't do shitabout it. Um. And he also
somehow gets this criminal record sealed,which I don't know how. You're not
a miner, how'd you do that? I don't know, But usually if

(51:58):
you you would assume that maybe becauseif you're on parole, you're not supposed
to leave. No, you're notsupposed to leave the state the city he
was gone. So that's what I'mwondering too, because I had the same
thought, like you shouldn't even leavethis state, like the day the day
he got out, he left Iowa. So I don't know if because usually
if you move, you have toget permission from the parole board or your

(52:21):
probation. Seventies They're like, listen, just don't do it again. Okay,
you promised stop it, so thatyou we're gonna do that again,
You're gonna be here, right yeah, okay, well think about it too.
They don't have like, yeah,they don't have ankle monitors, they
don't have GPS tracking. How areyou supposed to track him? So say
that he was on probation, hecould easily leave, and no one's gonna

(52:44):
fucking Bundy jumped out of a courthousewindow. Thank you, love, thank
you. Yes, I wish shesaid that five minutes before I started talking
about Bunny. So you I'm tellingyou now, I just Bundy gets are
open like it's coming. I'm readyso much to talk about um. So,

(53:06):
with the help of his mom,he buys a ranch house, the
infamous ranch House, and the addressis eight two one three West Summertill Avenue,
and he lives there up until nineteenseventy, which is when he's arrested
for all the fucking murders. Andcan I give a fun fact, Yes,
my boss right now lived two blocksaway from John Wyne Gacy. Really

(53:28):
no way, it was his neighborwalked by his house almost every single day.
Oh see how That's what fucks meup, is that like you could,
like I could go out on awalk and then all of a sudden
is like, you know, freakingBob Joe, there is serial killer and
you're like, exactly like you couldbecause you don't know all the details yet,
but you just hear serial killer.You're like, I knew that person.

(53:51):
I was next to that person,yeah right, or you know,
I let him in my house.We had drinks or something like. That's
why I say nothing to my neighbors. I'm like, no, I know
my neighbors are on here trying tobe friendly. I'm like, I'm not
talking. I bake. That's sonice. She's like, can't relate.
I'm nice to my neighbors. Yeah, Like they're all pro like we saw

(54:19):
someone going there, someone got thecops, get them, get them good.
So um and again. So he'salways established himself as this pillar of
the community. He's this great guy. Everyone the neighborhood trust him, lends
some stuff. It's fine, whatever, we trust Gaysy. This is great.
He's great. And in August ofnineteen seventy one, he is engaged

(54:42):
to Carol Hoff, who has twoyoung daughters. This is his second wife.
And at the same time, hestarts Pedium Contractors as a part time
business. So he's working in theday, still has a short order cook,
and he's doing more hours at nightfor this contracting business he does.
Um already said that. So heand Carol get married July first of nineteen

(55:02):
seventy two, and they all livedtogether in this ranch house. One year
after the wedding, Gacy's in abusiness trip to Florida with one of his
co workers. Sound familiar, So, and it's a teenage boy. Weird
that you're gonna bring a teenage boyon a business trip. That's just red
flag number one, but okay,And on the first night there, Gacy

(55:24):
rapes this young boy and I can't, I can't, I can't. Who's
our parents? Like, I'm gonnatell you're right now. I don't even
like it when my daughter has aneighteen year old friend, right, And
I'm like, can you imagine mytwo years? But still I'm like,

(55:44):
well, what do you think it'sbecause they're the same sex. Well,
it's like imagine if it was like, oh, my teenage exactly. Yeah,
I trust nobody. And you saidyou brought up up where they sent
their daughter to our home, NewMexico or something, because look at R

(56:07):
Kelly, same thing. They weregonna help her with her career. Yeah,
that's why I trust freaking no one. But we haven't a roof to
back that up now but back then, like okay, but no, no,
no, as a mother, asa no, no, you can't
do that to me as a mother, Like if if if I see a
guy doing that, I don't know, I just can't. I can't.

(56:28):
I'd be like, I would nevertrust an older man to be like,
oh, let me take your daughterout and help her with Definitely not.
But even if it's a woman,you know, no, not unless I
know you will, I will.Really personally, I think i'd be like,
okay, help her, Yeah exactly. But so they're I don't know
how long they're in Florida. Theycome back to Chicago and this teenage boy

(56:51):
goes to Gaisy's house and beat himup in his yard. So yeah,
yeah, what's the shit out ofhim? Yeah? Why? Good for
him? To his wife is like, why'd you get your ass beat by
some fucking kids? He's like whatthe fuck? Gacy's like Ohm. But
that's when he tells her no,not yet. He's like, oh,

(57:13):
he's mad that I wouldn't pay himfor his shitty work. Basically, he's
a shitty employee, so I wasn'tso. But in nineteen seventy five is
when he's like, hey, Carol, I'm bisexual. Whatever, No big
dale cool. But on Mother's Daythat year, they have sex and he's

(57:35):
like, this is the last timethis is ever happening, never again.
Then he starts spending a lot oftime outside of the house. Oh I
have to work late. Oh I'mnot home, blah blah blah. And
however, his wife is obviously she'sstill watching what's fucking going on? And
she sees teenage boys coming in andout of the garage. He's watching gay
porn when he brought a kid home, and then she like ventured out into

(58:01):
the garage and then she saw likea blanket and like rope and tie ups
and everything in like she confront ofhim. She was like, hey,
what the fuck explain? Well,yeah, well she also finds wallet and
IDs because also, oh shit,he's already by this point, we're going
to go into his murder, sowe're going to hop back in time once

(58:22):
we start actually going into detail,but at this point he's already killed someone.
Yeah, so he's already murdered someonewhile being married to this woman,
so he already has He would takea wallets and IDs of these people,
which is why they're around the house, and so she finds them and is
like, what the fuck is goingon? Whose stuff is this? What
is it? And he's like,it's none of your business, and that's

(58:44):
it. Like like, okay,bitch, go back to your place.
So in May of the same yearis when he hires fifteen year old Anthony
and Tucci, and two months intothem working together, Gacy goes, you
know, he's like, hey,come home with me whenever we'll watch a
movie and they drink a bottle ofwine and Gaycy then tries to attack him.

(59:05):
He does a handcuff thing, sohe tries to handcuff this kid.
Doesn't work because he basically he forgetsto handcuff one of the hands. So
he leaves and the kid realizes thathe's not fully handcuffs, so then he
attacks him and handcuffs Gaycy and Gaze'slike, okay, okay, well he
let me go. Yeah right,the kid, it was all a test
the kid because I watched an interviewon him and he said, He's like

(59:28):
I ripped up my knuckles because I'vehad to get this out of here.
But he was like, I waswrestler, Yeah he was. He was
like, so he was able tolike swing his arm around, turn him
around and handcuffed. Gay was likehe's like, I'm done. I don't
want to do sorry. Yeah,and then he was like impressed that he

(59:52):
was like and then that guy likewatching the interview is freaking hilarious because the
guy was like he just talks aboutit. He was like, I don't
know if he's just proud that,Like he was like, yeah, oh
I survived Gay. Oh my god, that he survived him, that he
was able to put him into thehold and then handcuff him. Yeah.
Yeah, but he was like yeah, and then he was like don I

(01:00:14):
just laughed. I was like Ican't. Can you imagine? Can you
imagine that ride home with yourself?You're like, wow, almost died?
That was cool and he's gross andnot going back to that guy's else.
He quits the next day like hundredpercent. He had to it. One
start wouldn't come again, No oneeat here, we don't like him.

(01:00:37):
Maybe that's later. Wow. Soafter so on top of everything else,
you know, him and his wifeare arguing, and so she asked Gacy
for a divorce, and they divorcedamicably. They're done, and she moves
out in seventy six with her twodaughters into an apartment. Now, Gacy
joints an organization called the Moose Club, and through the Moose Club he hears

(01:01:01):
of something called, quote, theJolly Joker Club, which sounds like my
worst nightmare, I'd pass but badthing. Yeah, so the yeah,
right, like the Jokers. Thehead of the Dolge. He would be.
So the members in this group wouldperform at fundraisers, fundraisers, parades,
they would go to hospitals of sickkids, and yeah, all that

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shit. So he joins the groupin seventy five. This is where he
becomes Pogo the Clown, but hewould also have an another clown persona,
which was Patches of the Clown,and Pogo was supposed to be like the
happy clown and Patches was the moreserious one, like get the fuck out,

(01:01:43):
Like that's what you you just comeup with that? You're like,
I'm gonna have to clown personas andone's gonna be real happy and one's gonna
be fucking scary. And they're bothscary, Yeah, because they're both clowns.
Like, what do you mean?What is this that's disgusting? I've
never liked clowns. I've never beenthe one. I've ever like clowns.
I've never found them like appealing,Like I'm not like, I'm not terrified

(01:02:06):
of him. I don't have aphobia. I just don't. Yeah,
I don't. I just as anunregistered psychologist, the reason that people don't
like clowns is because they have apermanent smile, right, Yeah, your
brain it's hard for it's a functionon Like wait, but something's not moving,
Like you have this permanent smile rightLike I don't know what's going on.

(01:02:31):
I'm like, can't carry okay,so you can't understand them. But
speaking of again, Gacy turned psychologistson himself and is like, yeah,
so I think I did this becauseI wanted to quote regress back into childhood.
That's why I did this. Doyou want a cookie for these now
groundbreaking things you're realizing about your lifeafter you've murdered thirty three people after he's

(01:02:57):
murdered children exactly, thirty three childrenchildhood. Yeah, because that was fun
and pretending to be a clown.No, it's fine, it's fun.
Whatever. So Tuesday, this isjust a normal day here in my life,
Dear God. Well, on thatpoint, we're going to start getting
into his murderers. So we knowhis emo at this point, and he

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it's that, and then he juststarts murdering people. It's just an escalation.
So sometimes he would do what hecalled doubles, where he would kidnap
two kids and murder them the sameday. He had. He was killing
people at like an accelerated rate,like even people were like Jesus, well,
even if you look at other serialkillers, Yeah, like that,

(01:03:39):
it was very progress, Like Idon't know, like, yeah, it's
it's a lot. It was justjust a small time period where it was
more than Yeah. So he wouldlure them back to the house promising a
job with PDM. He would offerothers alcohol, drugs, money for sex.
Some of his victims he Angela Simpsand of I know, yes,

(01:04:01):
like come back, okay, I'llgive you all. I was like,
hey, i'll pay you. Yeah, if you do this, I'll give
you money, Okay, I'll makeyou famous. Yeah, but there was
Kammas in there. So it's alittle a little attractive, yeah, a
little bit more, a little bitmore attractive when Kmas And so some of
his victims he knew, like hisworkers that you know, he was sexually

(01:04:25):
abusing workers. He was also murderingsome of his workers. Oh yeah.
But then some he would just findoff of like a Greyhound bus station,
whether they were running away or likewaiting for a connecting bus. In the
case of you know, the firstmurder we know of, that's what would
happen. He would also use hissheriff's bat badge a lot to gain trust
from his victims or at least likehis Yes, he had the old the

(01:04:46):
oldsmobile so and yeah, so hewould have this sense of trust, but
also just the authority, like,you know, someone's gonna listen to me
because I was a sheriff. Buthe looked like, you know, he
was an older guy, you knowhe Yeah, as a young kid,
you can tell them you're anybody,and they're gonna be like, oh huh,
well they don't know any better exactly. Yeah, they even doing a

(01:05:09):
younger person like in their early twenties. They're gonna be like, Okay,
I don't know you have a bag. Why are you gonna lie to me?
Yeah, exactly. And once hehad them in his house, he
would get them drunk. He wouldthen show them a magic trick or perform
part of his clown routine. Afterthis is when he would handcuff himself.
So he handcuff his hands behind hisback, and he would make a show

(01:05:30):
of quote getting out of the handcuffs, when really he just had the key
the whole time. So he justunlocks himself and it's like, look it,
I got out. Now you try, and he would. They would
do it, and once they werehandcuffed, he would say, quote,
the trick is you have to havethe key. And this is his handcuffed
trick. So that's why he wouldget them subdued, is it? That's

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what he would do. He wouldtake a rope. Yes, well soon,
So once they were restrained, hewould rape and torture them. He
would burn them with cigars, wouldmake them imitate a horse and he would
ride on their back and he hadlike a rain everything for their mouths,
and yeah, um, he wouldsodomize them with Dildo's prescription bottles. He

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even took a note out of DeanCoral's book, which we've covered in Don't
Trust a White Van whatever episode numberthat was with his torture board, but
instead of the board, he hada two by four that he would secure
between their feet. Very misery.When did a misery come out? Is
like this was before? Is thiswhere Stephen King got that? Is this?
That's what I was thinking that whole. I don't know when the timeline
goes, but that would make sense. Yeah, so I think it would

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have to be right on the heelsof like this misery had to have come
out after this, I'm assuming,so, yeah, he had to have
gotten adopted this, Yeah he had, so he so somehow he would,
you know, secure their legs withthe two by four and then he would
make them crawl. So I don'tknow in which order of events, because
I don't think you can crawl withthe two by four between your legs,

(01:06:55):
but I I don't know, butI have no idea. So they would
either crawl or they would probably likedragged the way there and they would make
their way to the bathroom and Gacywould partially drown them in the bathtub and
he would do this repeatedly and hewould revive them and typically the victims would
die of asphyxiation. So this wasjust another torture method for them. And

(01:07:18):
again, like I mentioned earlier,he would place a rope tourniquet around their
neck and it was the rope,the censure part. It was a hammer
and that really gets me, like, I can't That's what he would used
to tighten it, and that's justcan't do it. And this is what
he would refer to as his ropetrick, because everything's a trick. He

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has a clown. Yeah, afuck a really terrible one. And so
yeah, he would put around histhroat and he would reportedly say, quote,
this is the last trick and thiswas and this isn't a slow death
like this, these people are suffocatingand like who knows if he probably loosened
it and tighted and like played withthem and blah blah blah. So they
were convulsing for an hour or twobefore they died. Oh yeah, he

(01:08:03):
it was long death, long longdeath for him. Yeah, but even
then, like once they were dead, he would hide them under his bed
for twenty four hours. Barry Dennisand Nielsen of him, he didn't use
the floorboards but um, and thenhe would his story still to this damn
like that he would smell it.Don't give a shit, We need to

(01:08:27):
watch the movie. Well, soin Dennis Nilsen's case, what he would
do is he was he was likethe Dahmer in the UK, but he
would bury the bodies under his floorboards. And he lived in an apartment duplex
kind of thing, so there waslike and he would like flush flushes flushes.
Telling me the story, I'm like, who the fuck are these neighbors
and why are they so stupid?Wow? Right, but they don't even

(01:08:48):
like they don't smell anything too,and they're just like whatever someone else.
But it's also exactly it's the wholeBiston No. But it's a bystander thing
too, Like people are just like, oh, I'm not I'm not going
to pay attention. I don't I'mgood, I'm not gonna get involved.
It happens all the time. Howto smell the other day, I'm like,
call them, call them right now. Well yeah, but if so,

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if you had a smell coming fromsomeone out, if you like walk
down your apartment hallway, and yousmelled if you smelled something, yeah,
from your neighbor, would you sayanything, yeah, exactly, yes,
yes, I knock on that door. I'd be like, your ship stinks,
bro, But most people wouldn't.Yeah, I would like I'd be
like, hey, so there's acertain smell coming out of my house.

(01:09:30):
Is it coming out of yours?Suit? Because I can smell when I
walk by. Is this what isit? Yeah? Exactly? Your next
Yeah, so he would he wouldthen bury the bury the bodies in his
crawl space, and then he wouldpour a quicklime to try and help with
decomposition. So also, which isvery smart of him. Yeah, that's
very smart. That's what they putin m septic tanks. Oh is it?

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Okay, that's what you put inthe septic tank to go ahead and
get rid of it, seal thesmell and stuff does lie? Yeah?
Well, also they also helped withlike decomposing faster and getting rid of evidence.
So that's why in a lot oftrue kind of cases you hear about
that and lie being news. Butapparently he would also embomb victims in his
garage. Yeah, and I don'tknow where he got the tools, that's

(01:10:16):
what I so actually I'm glad youbrought this one up. I was like,
Uh, did you have any otherthings on that one? Because I
was like, just in his hehad where do you getting these tools?
No? So I looked at alot of my notes were from Wikipedia.
Then I went to my other sourcesto fill in and double check, and
I never saw any anything. Itwas just it was just you know,

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this happened this day, This happenedhere. It was all the highlights again,
right, like a normal news article. But I didn't see any anything,
Like I know, I'm assuming heknows how to do it because he
worked at a mortuary. I gotthat, Yeah, but where did you
get it? Yeah? Because youhave I don't know how many victims he
did it. He was killing oversix years, So where are you getting

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the embombing fluid and everything? LikeI don't know, are you embombing them
with random shit? Like? Like, what is what's going on? Didn't
he didn't do that to all ofthem? Because now when they went into
his cross face, they smell rightfirst, even the officers went to the
bathroom and smell decomposition. It wasn'tall of it. I think that.

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I think, in my opinion,I think he probably tried it and realized
it was probably a lot more workon the killing rate that he was doing.
He was like, I just gonnaput him on my house. Yeah,
well do you know did he didhe do? Was he necrophiliac as
well? I didn't wait a littlebit. But because that's the only thing
I could think of is that he'sdoing it to try to preserve the body

(01:11:45):
to then have sex with it afterfor I heard, I heard he did
a couple of like right when hekilled them. Yeah, but then not
not from what it sounds like,is he likes them to perform on him.
Yeah, that's what it is.I think that. Yeah, I
think he likes he likes them gettingYeah, the dom. Yeah, and
he's the dom, so that he'slike, do this to me. That

(01:12:08):
would make sense. So yeah,maybe I don't know. Maybe maybe he
did try it once and was like, I can't do it, and this
isn't the same thing for me.So the dead mouth, Yeah, he's
like this, no, I can'tdo it. His first known victim.
We're going to travel back to Januarysecond of nineteen seventy two. So remember
he's still married to his second wife. You know, the two step daughters.

(01:12:29):
So after a family party, hedecides to drive to sivicth Center to
see this ice sculpture display. Ifeel like that was just a lie that
he had to then go just gohunt for victim all of a sudden,
Yeah, like I'm gonna look atthe sculptures like past but fine. So
he sees Timothy McCoy who was sixteen, and he's at a Greyhound bus station

(01:12:50):
and he's traveling from Michigan to Omaha. I'm assuming he just has like a
I don't know, a bus transferand then he's waiting forward to something the
next morning because gays. He approacheshim and it's like, hey, you
can spend a night at my placeand I'll drive you back to the best
terminal in the morning, sous,you'll be fine. What a gentleman,
You're so nice, and so yeah, he agrees, and he does go

(01:13:15):
back to his house and then Gasyapparently quote unquote, and this is all
his words. Of course, hewakes up and McCoy is standing in his
doorway with a knife and apparently andlike a sign of I don't know what
happened, but like he gets aGasey gets up and like I think he
may have accidentally gotten cut or something, and when he cut his arm,

(01:13:38):
yes, and so Gasy is hebasically claiming self defense that he came at
him with a knife, and soI then twisted McCoy's arm, I smashed
his head against the wall, andthen I kicked him, and then I
stabbed him in the chest multiple time. Motherfucker was a threat, right,
yeah, no, no, youwere not. You were two stab wounds.

(01:14:00):
Two stab wounds. Fun. Okay, sure, that's okay in the
realm of possibility. As someone who'snever been in that situation. Okay,
he kills McCoy and in self defense. So then Gasy goes up out to
the kitchen to clean the knife,as you would after just self defending yourself.
Right, you're clean the knife,okay, Alston, I don't live
in a pig pen. Why isthat your first? Why is that your

(01:14:23):
first thing? And not calling authorityis why is it not good? First
you lay the tarp down, wow, then you stab them. But because
he's a serial killer, and thenyou call the cause, well not as
Yeah, this is his first murderand this is what he said. You
know, he's a little rusty,Okay, he didn't hone his skills yet.

(01:14:43):
Yeah. Yeah, he watched coupleYouTube videos, but not precise.
He So he goes to the kitchenand when he does, he sees an
open cartain of eggs. He seesbacon on the counter. The table is
set with two places, and he'slike, oh, he wasn't trying to
kill me to cook me breakfast.Oops during the murder though. This is
so when he's committing the murder,he noted he gets off on it,

(01:15:06):
and he says, quote, that'swhen I realized that death was the ultimate
thrill. Hi BTK, what isthat? What is I still cannot get
over? Like I said last week, how you really similar? All of
these sexually motivated crimes are him BundyBTK, everyone Dahmer. They're all the

(01:15:27):
fucking same. The government has goneahead and put all these people out.
It's MK ultra and that's just us. So I see that all the time.
You know, I am a Kcan pick them out. They have
these okay, the profiles and everything. It's just and I get how you
did it copy and paste with serialkillers. And that's what gets me is
that it's all It's not even like, oh, they kind of have some

(01:15:49):
of this in common. It's thefucking same Shita. Look at Dahmer and
Nielsen, same kings. Look atlike ever this bad childhood dad beat him,
grandpap beat um had a bad relationshipwith his mom. Like it's it
happens. It's just it's crazy.If stop beating your kids, motherfuckers,

(01:16:09):
be a good parent. Yea ofthe moral the story would beating your kids.
Just love them, give him lleJesus, tell him it's okay,
and you love them. So hedoes have a bit of a cooling off
period, and then once he's divorced, he goes out to celebrate to cruise
quote unquote, which is what hecalled hunting for victims, and he abducts

(01:16:30):
eighteen year old Darrel Sampson. Samsonwas losting the live on April sixth of
nineteen seventy six in Chicago, andhe would later bury his body under the
dining room. And so some ofthe victims he would use the turner cap,
but some of them also had apiece of cloth stuff down their throat,
so that's also how they associated theirunderwear. It was their underwear.
It was their underwear. So hewould take them because what happens is when

(01:16:55):
they would die too, they wouldstart leaking shit. That's just how do
you come in decision works? Yeah, and he didn't like it. We're
gonna so he was like, what, I don't know how if that actually
went that way? Well, soI heard that he also used like drain

(01:17:16):
cleaner and poured it down their throats. Well, it would get rid of
DNA, so why not. Yeah, that's how he essentially, but it
was always choking. Yeah, Icould see that probably who knows what it
was made with it at that time, like you yeah, I'm you know,
at one point I think he wasjust doing trial and airship because it

(01:17:38):
did make him mad that, like, you know, after they were dead,
they were like, you know,secreting everything. So last victim was
Darryl Sampson, and just five weekslater, he abducts fifteen year old Randall
Roffett on May fourteenth. Mere hourslater, he does abduct fourteen year old
Samuel Stapleton, and it's believed thatthe two boys were murdered on the same
night and they were both buried togetherin his crawl space. On December thirtieth

(01:18:03):
of nineteen seventy seven, he abductsRobert Donnelly and drives him back to the
house. He rapes him, tortureshim drunk, dunks his head in water
until he passes out. For somereason, though, Gacy lets him leave.
Not only that, but he driveshim back to his place of work
and is like, hey, ifyou go to the cops, they're not

(01:18:23):
going to believe you, not onebit. However, he still goes to
the cops. Police question Gacy onJanuary sixth of nineteen seventy eight, and
this is where he had missed havinga relationship with him, saying it was
this, you know, slave sexrelationship, so it was consensual, but
he was probably accusing him of rapebecause he did not pay Donnelly what he

(01:18:45):
had promised tobay him for these sexualacts. Police believe him and let him
go. But that in itself isa crime. It's a prostitution, right,
but at that that I don't know. Oh, but if that were
and like and where promp Nevada,Oh that's where they have the bunny ratch

(01:19:06):
was legal. So there's places inthe in the country where prostitution is completely
illegal. It's fine. Yeah,and even at certain ages, I mean,
we can look what what is consent? What's consensual? Because not every
state is eighteen, So that maybe why he wasn't charged on some some
things. So Gacy does have anotherrunning with the police on nineteen seventy eight.

(01:19:27):
On March twenty first, he luresJeffrey Rignall, twenty who's twenty six,
into his car. He does chloroformhim. He takes him back to
his house and he sets him upon it. Where do you find chloroform?
Asking for a friend, I'm justcurious, Hey, jeff Bezos,
I need some, and I needsome by another form. Well, shady,

(01:19:51):
this is why we need to dohim in the episode on chloroform,
like we talked about I love yeah, yeah, Kai, let us know
where where can we get chloroform?If not, I don't clear to you
clear your browsing history like her doit on private? Oh yes, the
private browser? So okay, whatwe're waiting to her back from that?

(01:20:15):
Oh my god. He so hesets Riginal up on the pillory device and
it's basically it's like what you wouldsee in medieval times where you have it's
the wooden slab and you would havea hole for your head, hole for
your hands and you'd be just setlike that exactly, and it was connected
to have one. Did she knowshe had the head she had the head

(01:20:38):
box. No, I don't knowshe had a pillary. It wouldn't surprise
me. There is one case wedid where they did have that, and
I can't remember which one, butI know it was like a long long
time ago, and I was likehe Ledger was in one in a night's
tale. Oh yeah, watch therest on chlorop The first search is Amazon,

(01:21:00):
the next one is lab Allie,how much is it announced? So
like there's I have to delude ithow it's a concentrated It has a concentration.
So I don't know how it's onlyfive percent. I pot five percent.
I feel like that's a fact.Yeah, I don't have three stars.

(01:21:20):
Have to pour three stars. Iwas gonna say, yeah, can
you read those reviews? Wait,okay, we should pause. It's only
off for twenty minutes. They didnot pass out, so I tried to
take someone home and it didn't work. So we're gonna pause here. We're
gonna pause here for a break.When we come back, we may have

(01:21:41):
reviews about how chloroform did not workanymore. About murders. So stay tuned,
we're back. Welcome back, Okay. So at some point, so
Riginal's going through all of this severeabuse basically what he would do to everyone
else, but he wasn't murdered.He is dropped off at Lincoln Park alive.

(01:22:01):
That's where he, like Gacy justdrops him off after having murdered other
people before, and it's just likeworsking, let this one go, like
I don't know what happened. ButRignal wakes up, he makes it to
his girlfriend's house and he reports itto the police, but they don't investigate.
And I don't know if this isone of the ones where Gacy knew
Rignal. I don't know if hewas just a random person to him,

(01:22:21):
so I don't think he could maybetell them too much about his attacker besides
a description. And also who knowsalso, and it reminds me of either
I think it was the toy boxkiller where they just probably don't believe your
story, where it's just so outlandishall this abuse, like no one is
taking you and putting you in apillory device and doing this shit and raping
you and doing all this. Sothey also he has so much against him,

(01:22:45):
so they don't investigate. But heremembers that he was abducted in an
oldsmobile, So him and his friendsdo stake out near Cumberland Avenue, like
the Cumberland exit of the Highway,which is where he had been abducted or
he had met this guy. Idon't know if he went with him willingly.
I don't know what happened. Doyou have reviews of chloroform? Okay,

(01:23:06):
we're gonna pause here, so ReginalHighway read one. Oh. I
like how it was delivered, butI do not like that it didn't work.
That's why I gave you three stars. This does not work at all.
It is mostly water. I didnot like that. It didn't work.
More in there and it didn't work, and I don't like it.

(01:23:30):
But I want to know, didyouired? I got a three month old
expired product? One star? Sowhat did they only take a nap oha?
But who? We have a fivestar? Back to the drawing board.
Didn't put me to sleep, butthe label says it's a suspected carcinogen.
So now I have that to lookforward to, which means um it

(01:23:53):
didn't It didn't put out the personI was trying to put out. But
also that's my question, is thatthat person obviously chlorofy formed themselves, but
the other one before what who arethey all chloriforming themselves? The time he
tried to take the one down andit didn't work, he was like,
fuck, you purchase too, wantto I don't want to say name?

(01:24:16):
Oh dear God. Okay, wait, if you're stupid enough to leave your
name, yeah, all of asudden you go to their Facebook. Oh
my god, but they all dothat, don't they all stupid? Yeah
they are. They're just so narcissisticand cocky. I can't get caught,
and you do some dumb shit thatgets you caught, like, dear god.
So so, while Rignal and hisfriends are staking out Cumberland exit,

(01:24:41):
I don't know how long they dothis, but in April of that same
year, they see the car andthey follow it to guess where Gacy's house
exactly, So they tell the copslike, yo, this car that abducted
me. They pulled into eight twoone four West Summerdale, and on July
fifteenth, cases arrested on charges ofbattery. So good for them for following

(01:25:04):
through. But it's during this timeas real job. Yeah, like I
feel like, yeah, I actuallytake that back. You just should have
been doing your job, Like finallyyou're doing your job now. Killed so
many fucking people, and this hecould have been avoided. Yeah, they
could have stopped this when he wason pro role or probation or whatever.

(01:25:25):
It was like fucking. But soit's around this time his call space is
getting full. He has nowhere todumb bodies now, like where one?
Why in your house? That smellsrank as fuck? Like, no,
that's fine, Okay, I don'tfeel I don't feel like that's far.
That's true. He does cements it. I don't feel like that's well.
He tried well, he was greatto go and to go into and submit

(01:25:45):
the whole thing. But he justseems like a yeah, he could do
some of them. Yeah, itwas like a little graveyard. He ended
up floding. But I oh yeah, yeah, but he did throw some
of them in the river. Well, because he ran out of space.
That's why he starts dumping it inthe river. And that I can understand

(01:26:05):
why he would keep him in hishome underneath Who's going to find him unless
they actually go in there, likeit would have to be once you die
and then someone takes over the house. And because if you go in the
backyard, they can have searched dog. You never know a dog something up.
Yeah, he's the only one livingthere, right, and yeah,

(01:26:26):
he's gonna obviously he has that crawlspace. Plus his dad made that little
crawl space for him and the girls, and that's where he used to go
when he was little to like getaway from everybody. This isn't his house
though, is the ranch house thathe buys Did he buy his parents house?
No? No, No, WhatI'm saying is when he was little,
he had that person. That's whyhe used it forgot it. Yeah,

(01:26:50):
just so like you know, that'swhere he would kind of do his
dirty stuff. And anyway, soit's probably like he probably that's probably just
you know, like little kid imagedin him. And then he he does
that news right, he's regressing intochildhood. Gross. So we blame the
parents, but I don't like it. So so he at this so he's

(01:27:15):
like, Okay, what the fuckdo I do? My crawl space is
full. He's like, well,maybe the attic and he's like it's going
to link too much. I don'twant Lee gets like driven down umies anyways,
So instead he starts to dump bodiesoff the I fifty five bridge,
and he threw five bodies in theriver in seventy eight, and only four
the bodies have been found so far. Now it's the it's the murder of

(01:27:39):
Robert Pie that is what gets himcaught. So on December eleventh of nineteen
seventy eight, Gacy goes to NissanPharmacy into Plains, Iowa or Illinois,
who the fuck knows where we're at. It was for work because he's supposed
to be doing some contracting work forthem, and that's what he's there to
meet with the boss and whatever.So he's talking to the manager, but

(01:28:00):
he sees Robert Piece, who's fifteen. He clocks him. He's like okay,
So he's with an earshot. They'rewith an ear shot of each other,
and he's like, oh yeah,and I employ all these kids and
I have all these job opportunities.So he's based on pharmacy, Yeah,
store the pharmacy. So he talksto him and he's like, hey,
yo, for all so I couldn'tpay that five dollars an hour. And

(01:28:20):
he was like, well, shit, that's twice as much as I make.
So then he goes to his momand he was like, hey,
mom, right, so I sawthat, and we'll get into that too.
Where why he goes to see GaycyBut I never saw him. They
actually talked yeah because he's trying toYeah, because he was trying to Yes,
so I knew that, Um soyeah and yeah, so he was.

(01:28:43):
It was five dollars an hour,which was more than Pice was making,
so his mom was more than likea lot of people were making.
Like that was good damn money,and especially for him being fifteen probably above,
like he couldn't pass that up,right of course, So when his
mom picks them up that night,you know they're going to celebrate her birthday
dinner, which is so fucking sad. So you know his mom picks them

(01:29:08):
up. And also that should alsopaint a picture of how young these fucking
kids were, is that their momsare picking them up from work because they
cannot drive or do not have acar. So he's like, okay,
Mom, I'm gonna go talk tothis contractor. He wants to offer me
a job. That's so I'm gonnago. I'm gonna go talk to him,
and she's like okay, um,So he leaves at nine pm to

(01:29:30):
head to Gacy's house. He's murderedvery shortly after that. So he's murdered
after some time of ten pm,so he was only alive for another hour
and a half maybe at most.And so before the murder, Gacy reportedly
asked Pist if there was anything hewouldn't do for the right amount of money,
and Pist, being fifteen, islike, I'll work hard, like

(01:29:54):
what like that's all that's coming tohis mind. It's like he's like,
what's your price? And he waslike five bucks a He's like for what,
like to do contracting? Like yeah, so so yeah, he's just
like Piece is just like, well, I'll work really hard, like yeah,

(01:30:15):
you know whatever, and like literallythinking this is a job, yes,
yes, Why are you going toa job interview at nine o'clock at
night? Yeah. So that's theother thing, like it was that normal
for back then. Like I know, sometimes like you know, you can
meet someone no, I guess whatI mean is like sometimes you can connect
with someone like networking and like Idon't know, you go, I don't
know, I don't get it.I mean maybe if it's in a small

(01:30:40):
town and like you're in a suburbof Chicago though tonight, or it doesn't
work, that's a right, that'sa that's a so red flag. Yes,
yeah, I've probably back in theday it's money and he's it's probably
helping his mom, right yeah,and he's probably like, hum, like
this can help us. Yeah,Like I don't know that much about his

(01:31:00):
background. If he was also supportingmaybe or I thought it was. He
was getting off of work, hecame in his mom. He was like
his mom was gonna pick him up, and he was like, hey,
mom, hold on, I'm goingto talk to this guy about a job.
And then he took like he tookhim and then the mom was like
hey, it was like fifteen twentyminutes and she was like in the car

(01:31:21):
and then she goes in there andshe was like, hey, where's my
Like have you seen my son?And they were like no. The last
person we saw him talk to wasGacy And that's how they like caught him,
because that would make more sense becauseI read at the opposite where he
was like, hey mom, actuallyinstead of going to your dinner, I'm
gonna go to no, talk tothis job per like the job. Yeah.

(01:31:42):
No, I was like, holdon, I'm gonna go talk to
this guy about a job. I'llbe right back out, and like some
time went on and the shoe andthen yeah, like she didn't come back
out, so she went and sawit and he wasn't there and been abducted.
That makes way more sense. Okay, that makes yeah, yeah,
I didn't see that at all.So but it's also reportedly as well.

(01:32:03):
Um, he said exactly, likewe don't hear from the victims. Yeah,
so it's Gaycy's the only one whocan be like, this is what
happened. They were, they wereall it's like Ted bunnon, it's like
Ted Bunny. He had no remorsethough, I think, not even an
ounce. He had nothing. Hewas so angry. Yeah, it was

(01:32:26):
like yeah, because he was like, oh yeah, they were prostitutes and
runaways and it doesn't it was consensualand he made them God told me to
like everything his mind. He madethem less than yes, but because he
had been made less than Field,less than his whole life. So he's
like, well, obviously this isfucking fine. And I mean I guess
so he you know, in hischildhood, children were like put up in

(01:32:54):
a pedestal as you think they were, because he wasn't so when his mind,
kids are just we all see.I feel like back then, you
also grew up quick. You werelike right out of like high school,
you were like married kids, rightyou know, so like it's a lot
quicker. You're also the product ofyour parents. Like that's just that's that's
how it happens. Yeah, andat some point you can take a step

(01:33:16):
back and be like holy shit,like no, I don't want to do
this. But most likely he wasabused. Yeah, exactly. He was
like criticized for everything and demeaned andthis and that and it was never good
enough. He explore his sexuality andthe like, Yeah, the way he
was beat was not like you gotyour ass handed to you know, it

(01:33:40):
was a razor strap because you dadbeat him in the head with a broom
and made him unconscious. He essentiallylike your brainwashed at that. Yeah.
Yeah, that is how you treatpeople, and that's that's how it works.
Yeah. Yeah, like there's nothere's there's no like, oh but
why is this happening? Right,No, this is happening. This is

(01:34:00):
how it is this is this iswhat you do. Probably in his mind,
these kids are being treated a waybetter than he was, so that
is not that bad. Well,it's not that bad. I didn't do
this or him killing him is freeinghim because he knows what life is about.
Oh I saved you know what Imean? Because life is actually really
horrible. I mean not saying thatI didn't read any of that's well,

(01:34:21):
but look at I grew up.Yeah, yeah, I'm going to treat
you this way and then kill youso you don't have to deal with it.
Yeah. The night that Gaycy murdersPis apparently again I think this comes
from Gaycy. He tells Piace quote, I am going to rape you and
there's nothing you can do about it. And Piece is crying, of course,

(01:34:41):
like why wouldn't you be? Butlike really, okay, cool,
good talk, bro, good job. So when Piece doesn't come home,
his family files a missing person's reportand the Deplanes police. They go to
the pharmacy. They talk to theowner, and this is where it's like,
oh, he was last seen withg Yeah, so he talks about

(01:35:01):
gaysy and so Joseph, okay,is it, cousin? How do you
say cousin Zach. Gosh, no, no, you no matter with me,
Joseph. Kay, yeah, I'mso bad with cousin Zach. Thank
you, Kenzie. Look it weneed you on the podcast for just today.
We say names, We're like,I don't know cousin Zach. So
sometimes we'll just break down and spellit. See it like you guys,

(01:35:28):
Yeah, we just we just calledher while we're on the podcast, We're
like, see this real quies.Yeah, I'm gonna put you on speaker.
I'm gonna like send me a voicememo and I need to say that
so like I can use it asa file later. So Cosin Zach,
So he's a lieutenant on the caseand he takes the case because Piece was
going to school with his son.I believe there was a family connection to
this somehow. So he takes thecase and he decides to speak to Gaycy

(01:35:53):
and very early on he doesn't believethat pist run away, which is very
good because if if this, ifthis man was like he's a runaway,
it doesn't matter. He probably justwent of his own volition. Gacy wouldn't
have been caught when he was sogod blood I mean great for him.
So when they check Gacy's background,of course a while it's sealed to the
public, they can see it andthey're like, oh shit, this man

(01:36:15):
went to prison for sodomizing a youngboy piece as a young boy, So
what are the chances that it wasn't. Yeah, they can do simple maths.
One plus one equals to this time. We're good, we checked it.
So he's a pedophile and we shallget it. Yes, So cousin

(01:36:36):
Zach visits Gacy with two other officersand Gacy does admit to seeing younger workers
at the pharmacy, and he approachedtoo, he assumed was Piece. He's
kind of playing dumb, like,yeah, I talked to someone. I
don't know if it was Piece,but yeah, whatever, And I talked
him because I was going to seeif they were remodeling materials because we're doing

(01:36:59):
construction. Whatever. And he deniesever having offered pisted job. He only
returned to the far So he comesback to the pharmacy quote unquote, he
was trying to explain why he's there. Later after talking to the manager and
it's like, oh yeah, sothe manager called me and said I left
my date book. Yeah, areyou an eighty year old woman like,
I'm sorry, what you have adate book? Yeah? Yeah, exactly,

(01:37:23):
like okay, sure. While Gacyis telling them this, he their
cops are like, okay, cool, but we need to come down to
do a formal statement. So thisis my favorite. This part pisses me
off, Like the arrogance of thisman. I'm like, you were kidding
me right now. So he's like, no, I can't do it now,
I'll come later later, piece outgoodbye, no, no, no,

(01:37:45):
so's better wait at three twenty inthe morning, like going into that
next morning, after he's just beenquestioned, Gasy goes to the police station
and he's covered in mud and he'slike, hey, um, I was
in a her accident minor so andso it's it's during this exchange or like
maybe he comes back later on theday. It's kind of hazy in terms

(01:38:09):
of when this actually happened. It'sthe same day, but time frame not
really sure, but he keeps it. You know, he's questioned again and
he's like, no, I didn'tkill pist Or. I don't know where
pist is. I don't fucking Ihave nothing to do with this, don't
know. They ask him again whyhe came back to the pharmacy. And
he's like, the owner called me, that's what happened. And they questioned

(01:38:30):
the owner. They're like, Inever content, Like I don't know.
He's like, I don't know whatyou're talking about. So the officers they
believe Gaysy has something to do withhis disappearance, and so they get a
search warrant and on December thirteenth,that's when they go to search his house.
They find Are you ready for whatthey find? Because it's a fucking
treasure trove of fucked up shit.Like so, so they find a six

(01:38:55):
million meter is it brevetta rivetata?But didn't they tata? Okay, but
we do have to say there atone time they were in surveillance of him,
Like they're gonna go into this,yes, yeah, So I don't
touch on that yet because listen,guys, So my notes originally were thirteen
pages, and that was with metrying to leave stuff out, like the

(01:39:15):
surveillance. So I this is justbecause I feel like the surveillance is a
little bit important because he used toinvite them in. Yeah, and I'm
going to talk about that a littlebit when he gets he was the second
he tried to he tried to befriend. These officers like kempert to be
like, oh look at me,I don't come. Yeah. They were

(01:39:38):
trying to distract him, and theguy was like going around, Yes,
we're gonna talk about that. Uhhuh. And he smells and then he
smelled something. He was like exactlyso so before that, so the and
that's the second warrant. So thefirst warrant, they find this six millimeter
bavetta brevet hotta. I don't fuckingknow. Um, they find a surrent

(01:40:00):
inch No it's not, it's abrevet. This word spell it's say it
help mevada. But okay, sure, yeahvda. Look at listen. That's

(01:40:20):
how Wikipedia spelled it. Okay,I copied Wikipedia and this is what they
told me. So they find asyringe, a hypoder mcneedle, handcuffs,
books on homosexuality, like, theyfind a whole bunch of He has books.
Okay, I didn't even know thiswas a word until now. But
he has books on Peter Peter Rasti, which is basically pedophilia. That's what

(01:40:44):
that's what I read. So hehad that, he had seven pornos capsules
of amal nitrate eighteen inch dildom andwow, yeah, that's impressive. I'm
sure you don't put that on thatfirst date. So they have that.

(01:41:08):
They find the two by four ina different bedroom. They find driver's license.
You know, he keep those astrophies. They find a blue parka
and it's important to remember the parkafor later because this also gets him later.
So take the classing. Yes,yes, So they find underwear um
that was obviously wasn't for Gaycy becauseI didn't fit him, like it was
as like so many sizes too small, and they're like, so this is

(01:41:33):
a this is a boy's mediums um, you're like a men's extra large,
so you're pushing two fifty. Yeah, exactly. So they also find the
high school class ring with the initialsof JAS on it. And I do
want to say, and this isa very abridged version of Dacy, like,
we could do a whole podcast seriesabout Gaycy and his victims and everything,

(01:41:56):
and we just don't have time.So there's a lot I'm leaving out,
including victim names. And I hadto take that out of my notes
and I hated it. But there'sso much So if you want to know
more about gaycy. There's way moreto it than what we're talking about today.
But despite all this, so theyfind a lot of sketchy ash shit,
right, they don't arrest him,And I get it, it's circumstantial
because they don't know about these otherboys yet, right, but I feel

(01:42:18):
like you can just google search oflike that's missing. They're missing too,
you're missing too, like something's fuckingwrong. But at that moment, exactly
the correct. So they can't.There's nothing there, and especially they're only
there in connection to Robert Peist,so at that point there's nothing to be
like, Okay, we can arrestit, like they're just they're dead.
And they start surveillance around this time. So but they also start to use

(01:42:43):
cadaver dogs at some point, andthey start searching his house and around his
place and his cars, and theyget to the Oldsmobile which he used for
um riginal and they're like the doglays down in the passenger seat for what's
called a quote death reaction, Sothey knew that piece dead body or body

(01:43:03):
in general had been in that car. So they're like, you've been you
didn't come back for your fucking datebook. They find So they find a
receipt from the pharmacy in his house, and it leaked linked him to Kim
Buyers, who was seventeen. She'sa colleague of Pist who worked at the
pharmacy and she was there that nighthe went missing, and she said,

(01:43:27):
I put it in the pocket ofmy parka and I later gave it to
Robert when he left and he tookit and it was a blue Parka.
And then while he like, whilehe's leaving, he tells Kim like,
oh yeah, I'm gonna tell I'mgonna go talk to this contractor. So
this is the second person he's toldthat he's going to talk to Gacy about

(01:43:48):
a job. So it's not lookinggood for him. So there's this man,
Oh fuck, okay, So Iskipped adjust a little bit, so
Michael Rossi and I couldn't find outhow Mike whole new basie. I think
he was a worker for him,or he was a friend. He does
call the police when he hears aboutthe investigation. It's like, Hey,

(01:44:08):
we have this other PDM employee who'sgone missing. I don't know what's going
on. I think had investigated anothermissing persons who led back to Gaycy's but
they had nothing, and then there'sanother one all of a sudden, see,
and that's what I read. Itsounded like he had been investigating a
case, but then it also soundlike he was somehow implicated in the murders.

(01:44:30):
So I don't know if he wasa friend, because he did be
friend detective, like he friended police, So I don't know if this was
a friend. I don't know ifhe was working missing this person. Because
Rossi's questioned again and about possible involvement, and during a second interview, he
talks about a time in the summerof seventy seven where Gaycy was like,
Hey, I need to just spriendten bags of lime in my crawl space

(01:44:55):
and he does it. Oh yeah, So I don't know if this.
I thought it was mad at himbecause he got He was like, why
are you in there? And hewas like, because you told me to
spread some shit down there? Waitthat was apparently yes it was, so
I thought he was a detective too, and I had to go back through
my notes, so maybe he was. I don't know if it's I have

(01:45:15):
no idea he made he wanted himto spread all of that and then got
mad at him. He was like, why are you going down there?
And he was like exactly. Soat this point, you know, they're
doing everything. So they finally haveenough to get a second search warrant to
do more obviously searching. And atthe same around the same time, Gacy
is following a civil suit in regardsto the displanes police doing his surveillance and

(01:45:42):
they're like, oh, he's doingthey're doing too much, they're harassing me.
Whatever's no, exactly, even thoughhe's also befriending them and letting them
into their house, his house,like you're also encouraging them, you know,
like whatever, So he's doing that. At the same time, they're
trying to get their second search warrantnow one afternoon, because they know that
he is very inviting to the policeofficers. Officer Robinson distracts Gacy with conversation

(01:46:09):
while Officer Schultz goes to search alittle bit. So he goes into Gacy's
bedroom because so they had heard aboutanother missing person and he would steal.
He would sometimes steal things from hisvictims, and there was a Motorola TV
that was stolen from another victim,and so what they were doing, they
were already heard about this. Yeah, that should that dates this, so

(01:46:34):
I know. Laureley's like, wait, motorola doesn't even my dad had a
motorola back in the day, butI haven't seen a motorol in forever.
So but they had it. Theyhad they had heard about this missing motorola
TV. So they're like, Okay, if we can find this and match
the serial number, we'll know itcame from this other missing person. So

(01:46:57):
that's what they're searching for, andthey I don't think they find it.
It would have been a big pieceof evidence if they did at this time.
But shut so, while he doesn'tfind that, he smells something terrible
coming from the heating ducks and he'slike, this is decom Like hell,
So he went to go try tolook for that serial number on the back,
but like he just couldn't. Hecouldn't get further enough to from Gacy

(01:47:24):
in his sight because obviously is likehe's like, listen, you're but I
know what you're doing. Yeah,he's talking to you when he's clocking this
person all around. Yeah, oneof the investigators was like trying to distract
him in conversation where he got closeto it, but he couldn't get to
the bathroom exactly. That's when theywere like, oh, but then I

(01:47:45):
think that's when he started smelling.Yep, I smell a dead body in
my biology class, where like they'velike preserved it whatever, but I've heard
that there is no smell like adecomposing body. On December twentieth, Gacy

(01:48:06):
heads to the offices of his lawyer. Remember he has a civil suit,
so this is totally normal for himjust to be heading there, and his
attorney sees him and he's very disheveledand just not like Gacy, not put
together. He is not like articulate. This is the yeah, oh my
god, like this man like theyone, they're onto you, so I

(01:48:29):
get it. But two, noone's come to your door and murder charges.
Yeah, so what's up? Andthe words of Nicki Minaj, what's
good? Like what is going on? What is this? Yeah? I
when I went, okay, soyou know, doing all this, and
I'm like okay, thinking how thehell did this happen? And then and
then you know, reading this part, I was like like, literally,

(01:48:51):
if you could have ran, youcould have gone to another state, Like
you're sticking here and we're not evengetting to the best part before his arrest.
Oh no. Like, so hegets there and he's very disheveled,
and I don't know what time thisis. I'm assuming because it's an attorney
meeting, it's like really early inthe morning, right, so like nine,

(01:49:15):
yeah, exactly. So the momenthe gets there, he's like,
yo, I need some alcohol.Basically, he's like, I need a
fucking drink. He's like, okay, I need a drink. Whatever.
And so his lawyer is a mannamed sam Amorand, And on his desk
as he's pouring him this drink,he has a newspaper. It's from the
Daily Herald and they have a storyon Piste and Gasy's like, hey,

(01:49:36):
quote, this boy is dead.He's in a river. And Amarand's like,
what I thought we're talking about yourcivil suit? Like what are we
talking about right now? Like okay, So again, so Gacie is drinking.
He's not going to back, andhe's confessing and and it's rambling,
so it's very it's incoherent, andyou can't use this against him, like

(01:49:58):
I hate this man, but thisis not like a I don't know,
this isn't But also admissible another narcissisticquality. Let me tell you what I
did. Oh, by the way, I didn't say it. Yeah,
he says that. Quote he's beenthe judge, jury, and executioner for
many, many people and quote,and now he's doing the same for himself.

(01:50:21):
What do you want from this?What is this? Like? Oh,
wow, you finally admitted to doingsomething wrong that you shouldn't have been
doing to begin with. Good foryou himself in so many Oh my gosh,
you're such a saint, Like youadmitted to killing people. Oh my
gosh, the courage that you justhave. We commend you for admitting to

(01:50:46):
your faults to go ahead and wipeyour conscience clean. Wow, this isn't
church. Motherfucker not confessing to shipLike I mean, you're confessing, but
this isn't like you're not going torepent for your sins. Like what is
this he's proud? Oh yeah,the lawyers like fuck yeah right, no,

(01:51:08):
no, but this lawyer makes fuckingbank off this ship, Like oh
yeah, no, but he butbut nitty deal, book deal, TV
deal, he got it all,he got it all. Yeah. But
also the paintings that fucking I've seensome of the paintings in real life.
Yeah, that we're going for somuch. I'll talk about it in a

(01:51:30):
little bit because we all need totake a trip. Yeah, it's just
wait. So okay, So he'sconfessing and now he's, you know whatever.
He tells his lawyer where he's buriedthe bodies, and he falls asleep
during this confession because he's so fuckingdrunk, and his lawyers like his lawyers
like, h okay, so you'regonna go to a psychiatric appointment after this.

(01:51:53):
So he wakes up, but Garyrefuses to go, and so he's
like, hey, you just confessto thirty murders right now, like you
fella before you fell asleep, youconfess to thirty murders. Can you imagine?
He's just like this. He's likegod, damn it. He's like
thirty are you sure? So soand then and this is all happening as

(01:52:17):
the police are trying to get theirsecond search warrants. So Gasey after he
after Stam, is like, oh, you just confessed to thirty murders,
and Gazy's like fuck. So hegoes on this farewell tour basically where he's
like going to his friends and likethis one, like, oh, I'm
gonna miss you, byebye, goodbye, goodbye. Might be going away for

(01:52:38):
a little bit, y'all. Hegoes to his father's grave. Yes,
someone drive him. Yes, Likehe has this nice little wave. You're
lucky I didn't kill you because you'reon my list. But police get wind
of his erratic behavior and they're like, fuck, he's going to kill himself,
right, So they're like, Okay, we need to get him in
custody. We can't get him incustody for anything in terms of the murders.

(01:52:58):
We haven't even got the fucking searchwarrant to convict him on anything or
arrest him on murder. So theyhear about. So when he's going on
this farewell tour, he stops atsome point, he stops at a gas
station and for some reason offers theattendant marijuana. Yeah, but they knew
he had pot on him. Thecosts, I knew it, they were
exactly, So they get him onthat. So before, at some point

(01:53:24):
he had gone home to unplug hissome pump which ended up flooding the entire
basement. So once they finally getapproved for their second search parant, they
have to drain the whole fucking crawlspace and an evidence steck is going in.
You know what happens when you putwater with dirt gets soft? Yeah,
the bodies are going to rise anyou're not going to wash it away.

(01:53:45):
He's like, fuck this house.And remember they're only there for Robert
piss and murder. They're only expectingto find those remains. And they're like
digging and they find human remains andthen they're like, teenage boy. Not
only that, but these are waytoo decomposed to be Robert Pie. Like
we're finding bones and bones, boneson bones on bones, and they're like

(01:54:08):
fuck, like this is they're alot more. It takes weeks to clear
this all out, Like it takesso fucking long, Houston, we have
a problem. Yes, that's whatit is. And so that so on
December twenty second, the lawyer,so you know, Gaci knows he's fucked,

(01:54:29):
and so the lawyers prevent or presentthe police with his formal confession.
Good for you, and he confessesto thirty murders. He did make it
a point all the time to saythey entered my house willingly. I didn't
him that, but you still murderedthem. That doesn't make Yeah, it's

(01:54:55):
just dropping the kidnap charge. It'slike it's like just you know, it's
like confessing to not everything, justconfessing to him like getting charged. But
that's what I don't get, LikeYou're like, you're going down for fucking
murder, bro Like it didn't chargenothing. They're going to throw it out
anyways and make you a deal forthem, but not that. But he
ends up getting charged. He doesn'tget a deal. He goes to trial

(01:55:16):
and he gets charged Like this,who cares another kidnapping charge? You got
thirty life sentences, death sentences.Yeah, like that kidnapping charge was gonna
do big difference, Like okay,yeah, sure, I mean it's a
word thing. Yeah yeah, Ilike, yeah, I go in the
house. Yeah I know, I'mgonna like, you know, talk,
Well you came into my house tothe podcast exactly exactly. But it's also

(01:55:44):
but it's this weird it's this weirdmoral righteousness that they have, like,
well, they entered my house,they entered my house willingly. So after
that, everything else that happened wasin constant not only that, but just
it didn't matter. It was andso in consequence and they entered my house,
so they were in they're in myspace. How dare they love feisty

(01:56:10):
lorily? I love it now rightnow, just wait, we'll let you
vent your feelings. At the end. We're almost done. I am so
so. And remember, so they'requestioning him about piast of course, and
he is like, Okay, Idid lure into my house. I did
strangle him on December eleventh. Now, remember how I told you he turned

(01:56:30):
up at the police station at threetwenty in the morning. Okay, well,
weird time. He disposed of thebody on December thirteenth, and he
had gotten into an accident on hisway to the police station. So at
some point he's like, you know, to sound real fun. Right now,
I'm gonna go dispose of this bodyand the river, and then not
only that, I'm then gonna goand talk to the police after I've already

(01:56:54):
disposed of a body. The ballson this pool is a massive Christmas spirit.
Do you walk because your balls areapparently that massive that you think you're
not going to get fucking caught forthis ship after just dumbing a goddamn body
and walk exactly, Yes, thatI literally killed somebody, exactly got rid

(01:57:20):
of the body, and after hegets the accident and he like, I
don't know how he got to thepolice station, but it gets into the
accident and his car is towed.So they find this out later as they're
doing the investigation, that's what happenedat night. So after and it takes
them weeks to clear out this basement, and twenty six bodies were found under
the crawl space, and two morewere found in another area of his property.

(01:57:44):
I don't know where exactly they were, and five including pis, were
dumped in the river. Only oneor only four have been found. So
trial starts February sixth of nineteen eightyand he's charged with thirty three counts of
murder and he's tried in Cook Countyin Illinois, and so they obviously request
that he spends time with some doctors. So he does it at Menard Correctional

(01:58:06):
Center and there he goes under morepsychological testing and he's found competent. Is
down trial, which doesn't make sensewith his thing later, this dumbass,
which we'll get to. So butGacy, like Bundy, tries to be
like, hey, so I havemultiple personalities, and so they're so lame.

(01:58:30):
There's so there's um wait wait no, like, okay, I'm sorry.
If I'm going down for murder andI'm gonna have multiple personalities, I'm
gonna go through the fucking woodworks ofmy personalities. I'm gonna make them crazy.
I'm gonna go you remember Sybil,I'm gonna go over Sybil like I'm
not playing shaped right point Sybil haven'theard of her? I'm better, Like,

(01:58:51):
how's it going? Thank you.I have ninety nine personalities and none
of them ain't good. Yeah,not one ain't good. But okay,
so keep that in mind, right, Like, if I'm you know,
you would go extra or just whatever. So he's like, okay, I
have four personalities. Okay. There'sthe hard working man who's involved in civic

(01:59:14):
events and so I don't know ifI just missed something. Okay, No,
So he has that, Okay,he has the clown Hello your patches
and pogo, right. He hasthe politician, which, by the way,
you weren't a politician. Yeah,you were just involved in the Democratic
Party. You're just supported for somebodyfor a little bit. Yeah yeah,
like wow. But my favorite isthe policeman named Jack Hanley and Jack Hanley

(01:59:42):
is, who's are your personalities?These are your little personas, and that's
a little bit different. I feel, yes, it is. It's very
different. It's your alter ego.So he calls Jack Hanley because quote,
bad Jack, You're you're trying,you're trying to push the guilt off yourself
as my as you can. Well, it wasn't me. It was this.
It wasn't me. It was porn. What calm down, Bundy.

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It wasn't me, it was Jack. Yes, exactly, that's what he
said. Jack was the murderer becauseguess what because Jack hated homosexuality, does
that I gay? I hate thatpersona Yes, so Gaycy was fine with

(02:00:25):
Gaze, but Jack was not.And he's like, gotta kill him really
good. I know they just Iknow, I just made him give me
a blowjob, but I hate him. Is just like blown. Yeah that
makes so much sense though, right, But yeah, because he's car he's
compartmentalizing everything to where it's like thisand then yeah, so he's like he's

(02:00:45):
literally living out his childhood. Yeah, of like, yes, I am
gay, but as soon as Ifind out you are, yeah, I'm
not gay. My boyfriend's gay.Yeah, Like wait, what that doesn't
make sense. But he also sohe talks about how, you know,

(02:01:06):
bad Jack viewed male prostitutes as quoteweek stupid and degrade. It's um okay.
So he does plead guilty or Ithink it was not guilty by reason
of insanity, and so they whenit goes to trial, the defense tries
to paint him as this you know, Jacklin Hyde persona. And by the

(02:01:27):
way, I think it's his civilsuit attorneys that were representing him on a
murder fucking charge. So that's justskeptical, like why they say the same
kind of line of work, buddy, Like I'm on death row possibility right
now for thirty three counts of murder. Okay. So he's like, okay,
yeah, you know Jacklin Hyde basicallylike I didn't do this. I
was not in control. I didn'tknow it was wrong. And the prosecutors

(02:01:50):
brought witness on witness on witness thatwas like, yeah, there's all this
premeditation. But okay. So Gaycywants a miss trial and he writes a
letter to the judge like hey,I don't agree with the insanity please.
Hey my lawyers won't let me takethe stand. Hey he was pissed because
they were like, bro, Idon't think you should yeah, and he

(02:02:10):
was like, they didn't even askme to take the stand. They are
incompetent, yes, or like theydidn't have enough medical witnesses and the police
are lying this because they didn't haveenough window. Who the fuck is defending
you? Who Who's like, he'sinnocent. I've known him for forty years,

(02:02:30):
he's fine, like no, butnobody is going to stand up for
this man to like, but Idon't like that. But it's he's in
this scenario in which it's not aboutproving you're not guilty, it's about not
getting you killed by the justice system. That's where we're at right now.
We're not trying to avoid deaths orlike a prison sentence, because that's happening
no matter what. We're just tryingto keep you alive. After writing that
letter, the judge is like,if you want to take the fucking stand,

(02:02:54):
let me know and I'll let youget on the stand, but I'm
not declaring a mistrial, like bye, goodbye. So in the end,
clown but unction the judge, thejudge are sorry, so they go to
you know, the jury goes todeliberation. They deliberate for two hours,
and they find Gacy guilty on allthirty three counts in two hours, and

(02:03:15):
as well as like sexual assault,taking in decent liberties with a child connection
to Robert, and that was forRobert Peist specifically. So when they then
they have to go back and deliberateabout his sentencing, and again it's only
two hours, and they give himthe death penalty for each murder. So
his execution initially was for June secondof nineteen eighty, but of course he
has an automatic appeal and because ofthat, it was pushed back, pushed

(02:03:41):
back, and the Illinois Supreme Court, you know, they go to that
and they uphold it. After afew more appeals, a petition for a
new triald claiming he had ineffective legalcounsel was filed. That does not go
through. So at that point,his execution is set for May tenth,
nineteen ninety four. So low onfucking time. Bundy was executed quicker than

(02:04:03):
you were, Like, that's wild. So he was executed by lethal injection.
But during the process, um thetube got clogged or something in it
and it got stuck yea. Sothey had to eighteen minutes. Well,
they had to close it to thepeople watching the gallery, so they had
to close it. I don't yeah, like someone said, like they heard

(02:04:25):
all of that, and they're like, well, he still got it easier
than his victims, and it's true. So they had to close it and
then they opened it back up tofinish the whole thing. And apparently,
um so, some anesthesiologists said thatnot all the steps were taken, which
is why he wasn't given like ahumane execution and whatever. So this led
to Illinois adopting an alternative to lethalin Yeah, it's very conflicting because yeah,

(02:04:50):
he want to say, who caresexactly at this point, I've taken
there's three hours. I don't wantmy bads. Yeah, if one of
your children is his victim, I'man eye for an eye type of bitch.
I don't give absolutely you did that, Yeah, yeah, I'll I

(02:05:13):
don't give yeah, like for thatfor what he did, Like okay,
there's some some serial killers that arelike quick, they just like to kill,
but he was just too much likethe torture and it was it was
as like he what he did,yeah, like no, oh, had
extra ten minutes to die yourself.Yeah, like like the way, I

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don't care how he died, andthat even if it wasn't quote unquote humane,
it was it was way better thanhe exact, even the victim that
he didn't like, you know,even the ones he didn't kill, the
ones you didn't get actually get tokill exactly. So he was declared dead
at twelve fifty in the morning onMay tenth of nineteen ninety four. During

(02:05:59):
his last words, he said hisdeath will not compensate for the murders.
He committed that the state was murderinghim and ended it all eloquently saying,
quote kiss my ass, and thenhe was dead. So and just like
Bundy, people were lining up outsidethis prison with shirts that said no tears
for the clown. They had allthese shirts and they were like you had,

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of course, people who were protestingthe death penalty, and then you
had other people who were like basicallylike burned Bundy burn but like for Dacy,
that's what this was like. Itwas a fanfare for his murder.
So what's crazy is that there werestill some victims who haven't been ideed yet,
and as recent as twenty seventeen theyfinally ided victim number twenty four as

(02:06:43):
James Jimmy Byron Hackinson and he wassixteen. So even to this day,
like they're still ideaing some of thesevictims and and like, okay, so
if you go to the death museum, I've been to the one in La
A couple times and they have hispaintings on display. It's always him dresses,
poke of the clown, it's allthese clown photos. They have his
clown shoes. Motherfucker big feet,Like these clownshes are fucking huge, Like

(02:07:08):
they have so much and you can, yeah, you can go see this.
And one of my favorite things hesaid to a cop where he did
get really cocky. Clowns can getall rid of away with murder, do
almost anything exactly murder, which iswhich is so funny because the prosecutors like,
you know, I see you,you know I hear you. Yeah,
yeah, exactly right, Bro,We're onto you. We just have

(02:07:31):
to get enough evidence to get youall the way. Yeah for sure.
Like here's ballsy as shit. Sothat's gasy thoughts. Fuck him, fuck
him, that's my thoughts. Iagree deserved, he deserved to the penalty
death, the death penalty twelve timesminimum. Yeah times too, you know

(02:07:56):
whatever. Yeah, it was notfor an eye and you want to but
there were thirty three people at least, Yeah, you want to add all
of that together. And most ofthese were children. Yeah, they're all
under the age of like eighteen.I'm assuming I think there was a couple
of them. I think there wasone or two older. But there's like

(02:08:18):
Regna was twenty six. But youknow, and he was tortured and raped.
He wasn't one of the murder victims, so in terms, I don't
know, Yeah, but he dideven he did target a lot of different
ages and but a lot of heavyLike a lot of them were really young,
which usually that is the case,just because they're they're impressionable, they're

(02:08:39):
easier to get. Yeah, likewhy not, it'll resign. Yeah,
you know, I really don't havethat many words, but I am glad
that he suffered those ten minutes.Yeah, right, Like that's that's the
bare minimum that you can get back. And like he said, like it
doesn't bring anyone back. It isn'tcompensate for ship. But it's just like,
okay, well you get breakfast.Now. I just watched this guy

(02:09:03):
who murdered my child, like dieand then okay, like what do you
do after that? Like, Imean, I can't. I don't think
that. I don't think that wouldfill the void, like but like yeah,
but yeah, but I guess everywould put you to ease, like
no matter what, he can't hurtanybody else in jail if he turned and

(02:09:26):
killed somebody else, right, exactly. So let me tell you about the
stew that I heard of. SoI heard and this is from Zach Began's
Haunted Museum. So they have apparentlya bed that he used to kill these
boys on. And this is whereI heard that they would pour the like

(02:09:48):
drain o. He would pour thedraino down their throats. This bed was
it was in a case, like, it was in clothes, it had
feces on it. Still wow,these boys. Yeah, so it was
apparently this bad, right, Andthen she said that and this was her
personal story of he would attend theseI'm not festivals, but like the neighbors

(02:10:16):
and the town kind of get togetherand they'd be like, oh, I'm
gonna make this and I do thisor we're selling this or whatever. He
would make stew. I don't knowif it was ever proved, but apparently
like he was also serving yeah,his victims and this stew feed it to
people. But she said that's howshe knew him. She knew this man,

(02:10:41):
and she's like, we would gothere every weekend or every whatever that
they were there. So maybe itwasn't the victims, because she didn't say
that she the victims, but she'slike, we knew this man, and
after they found out everything that happened, she said we were the wrong sex,
so that was it. Yeah,are young boys, we were young

(02:11:03):
girls, and that was the onlydifference. That's the only reason I'm alive
or one of the only reasons.Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. I
hope you guys like this really longepisode. Who knows how long it's going
to be after editing, because it'snow almost three hours. So yeah,
but we didn't stop, right,no, no, no, I know,
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