54. The Encounters of the Strange Abduction

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Ten out of ten winner out aten winner, We're gonna get a callback.
I'm gonna get that call back.Hello, everybody, Welcome back to

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Blonde's Booze and Bullshite. I'm Courtneyand I'm Davin Hann. We welcome you
back to our ship show. Welcomeback to the ship Show. We're recording
two weekends in a row. Let'shope we can make it to a third
next weekend. Maybe we'll be backin our shit again. Hopes are high.
Hopes are high. Um, So, how have you been? Okay,

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it's been a it's been a week'sbeen We're not feeling it's not feeling
good. Then like work sucked andI was like I'm done, Like can
I just tap out? I don'twant to do this. It's it's I
feel the need for definitely vacations.Yes, yes, I've been trying to
use more PTO just because I haveno fucking plans anyway. It's the end

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of the year exactly, so I'vebeen doing like three day weekends. So
I had like front of thirteenth,that's what I was. I think I'm
going to start doing it. That'sso nice in December because I have I
think I have like at least fouror five days left, so I think
I'll just go ahead and like takeone day off a week if I can.

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Yeah, but I'm excited because Ilove the last few months of the
year, Like from October to February, it's my favorite time of the year.
Love it. And after that,I just don't care as much.
I love spring. Yeah, yes, and I have to agree this time
of year, but I get socold, like because I'm so used to

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the hot weather and I love beingoutside. So last night I was outside
and I was like in my hoodieand mind it's only like maybe fifty five
degrees because I know people are rollingtheir eyes, but that's cold for us.
Oh yeah, it's so cold,and I'm like out there, I'm
like shivering and everything. And thenlike ten year old Courtney is like slapping

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the hell out of me. BecauseI lived in a big bear, I
used to like play in the snowwith wet hair. I know, like
my mom and brother that I livein Montana, and I talk to my
brother and they're like, yeah,it's snowing and blah blah blah, and
I'm like, okay, listen,I know it's not cool to you,
but it's like fifty here and Iwant to die. I'm under a blanket.
Yeah, try three right right witha sweater. There's no fucking way.

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It's so cold, like but I'mso excited for the holidays. Any
good movies, So I did.I've been in a weird funk with reading
lately. I saw that on youron your snapchat, I'm sorry, on
the Instagram where you were watching upyou. I think you were watching a
movie or something and you're like,I just need to take a break.
Yeah, I was watching Sispiria ormaybe that was the weekend before. Yeah,

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well, Friday the thirteenth, Iwas like, I have to watch
horror movies. So I watched theremake of Spiria. Never saw the original.
Most fucked up should I've seen ina long time, Like that ship
was wild? Anyone has seen?I don't know what it is. What
is it about? So Sispiria,UM, it was originally made in the
seventies. The new one has DakotaFanning and Tilda Swinton is if Swinton or
Swinton Swinton you would recognize her.She's a very famous actress. Um.

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But so they're in it, andshe Dakota Johnson goes to um Germany to
be in this dance company and somethingsinisters going on and kind of crazy.
So um, that's kind of whatit is, and you're just exploring what's
happening with it. But the originalbecause it was it's a remake with the
original had three movies because it's basedon this like whole thing. I don't

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want to ruin it for people.I haven't seen it, but there's a
whole idea behind it, and I'mlike, well, now I want to
go back and watch the original andthe other two because I've never seen that
either. Well, they have intheir books, they have certain parts.
M yeah, so they have certainthings. But like I'm not trying.
I'm not referring to the movie.I'm referring to the book where we were
right. Yeah, So book wise, yeah, I've been in a weird

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funk where I'm just like I can'tfocus on reading and it's really weird for
me, Like that doesn't happen alot. And then so I mean,
let's be fair, you've read alot. But yeah, so what is
what is your count out right now? Probably like one ten? My phone
elevator music, Okay, so I'veread one hundred and eighteen books this year.

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Okay, wow, yeah, that'sinsane, Davin, I know,
it's really crazy. I don't knowif I've ever met anybody that has has
read that much. To be honestwith you, like, I have friends
that are you know, really theyread a lot, but yeah, you
you my friend have have topped themall. Yeah thanks hair flip. Yeah,
no, that's I think that's awesome. So do you think next year

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that you're going to do the samething or was this a kind of like
a lot of pressure for you.Was this like a big just a goal
that you wanted to hit. Doyou think that you'll It was a bit
of both, because I haven't I'venever tracked my books ever, and so
I was just kind of curious tooto see how much I could read in

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a year, because I don't keeptrack. Really, you just read and
move on. Yeah, so partof me is like, well, I
wonder if I can read one hundredbooks, like I mean, I read
pretty fast, so more than likelyI could have. But it was like
kind of both because I joined Booksto Graham and so, you know,
I get free arcs from publishers,which I'm so grateful for but sometimes like
I over request and I have allthis stuff and I'm like, fun,
I have to read this and this, and like I can't read what I

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want and which is dumb. Yeahno, so it's yeah, but next
I don't know. I would maybeset a goal for one hundred next year
too, and just not be sopressured. Like, but now that you've
gauged that hundred, you probably havea better feel for it, Like you
know that you you can like slowdown on some or maybe not pick such

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um like bigger books. Yeah,or you know if you know that that's
a small or book or something.Yeah, exactly. That's what I do
sometimes too, Where I was behindfor a while, then I was like
I caught up really quickly, obviously, like I hit my goal two months
ago and then I slowed down.But I'm actually reading a fantasy series right
now. I'm deviating from the petYeah. I was like, I need
something else, I need something different. So so, so we did talk

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about this, and I did askyou about this, but what is your
favorite now? Favorite? So whatso you were into um, I plan
no, no, no, myfavorite genre? Yeah. Now, because
I know that you were getting intoI still love nord Ignore so much.
I actually just finished one and Ihad a hard time getting into that one.
I felt really bad. Oh well, it wasn't hard to get into.

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It was just really slow and Iexpected a little bit more, Like
I really like because I love howatmospheric it was, and I like the
small time secrets and like all thatstuff, and there were just something where
I'm like having such a hard timefocusing, which is then like why I
switched to fantasy right for right now. Um, I don't know how you
do it, Like I just it'sso hard for me to get into something

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nonfiction a memoir, but in termsof genres, I don't know. I'm
never going to stray away from likethrillers and crime procedurals, like that's always
my go to, and I feelthat's where me and you can get on
the same one because of the nonfiction part of it, Yes, because
there are some true aspect obviously,some true aspects to it and like stuff

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that they mentioned, So I reallylike that, Like I love serial killer
thrillers like Lars Kepler. Can weadto read more of their work and I'm
really excited about that. But I'malso excited to switch it up and like
read a little bit more fantasy andmore from this the author I'm reading now,
and like maybe a couple of romcoms, Like I want to switch
it up just a little bit.Nice. But also it's ignore in November,
so I'm also going to be pumpingout those a little bit more.

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So well, yeah, cool,I know I like that. What are
you reading? I'm where I'm rightnow. I'm reading the Clarence Thompson or
Thomas. Oh yes, you toldme about that. Okay, So I
let me tell you this man I'dlike, if if I got to meet

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him, I would be starstruck.I would not be like celebrities don't mean
anything to me. This man isjust brilliant. I mean, it's just
amazing of everything that he's achieved andwent through. Yeah, I'll let you
know when I finish the book.But that one is so far, I
mean, it's it's just for me. I love it. I love I

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love hearing how people just overcome anddon't um and and just the accountability with
him and what he's what he's doneas a person throughout is awesome. But
so far the book is great.I will probably finish this one by the

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time when we have our next one, I hope, so I definitely will.
I'll probably finish this one in thenext couple of days, yeah,
because I had to obviously work onthis part. But now probably tonight when
I go home, I'll probably readit. I just love memoirs because I
love people's story because everybody has astory. Everybody has the pain, you

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know what I mean, So thenthat's how you grow. So I just
I love hearing how people are,like, man, I went through some
fucking shit. Yeah, and thenthey come out and they're like on top.
Yeah. Yeah, like it didn'tmake it didn't weaken them, it
made them like really really strong.Yeah. That's that's the only book I'm
reading. I always feel so likewhen you're like, what book are you

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reading? Just one? I onlyread one book at a time too,
I'm not. There are people Italked to like, yeah, I'm reading
like four books right now. I'mlike, physically, how how is that
possible? Like I can do Ican do maybe um like a fiction book
and then a nonfiction if I'm wantingto like do that or whatever. I

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can't. I can all Sometimes mybrain will cross them. Well, like
if I'm reading about fairies like Iam right now, like mindy k't like,
there's no way I'm crossing that shiplike so usually, well I read
different when I grow Oh yeah,you for sure? Can you imagine I'm
reading like Holly Madison and then ClarenceThomas. I'm like, was he at
the mansion or not? And whatdid Heffner say when you told him your

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verdict? What is going on?Did he agree? Did they say no?
Did he this end? What's happening? What is going on? Yeah?
No, Well, welcome to myship show. Welcome to everybody.
Buckle up. Yeah, especially todaybecause we have a wild case that's going
to require that you really put yourthinking caps on today. It does,
but you're you're going to find thatit's it's eerie, similar to something else.

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But again, like our last episode, it is before the one that
you got a lot of recognition on, or they got a lot of recognition
on. Yes, excuse me,So let's go ahead, take a break,
fill up your glasses, grab abeer, open a bottle of wine,
because we're gonna go ahead and getinto this case. It's not that
long of a case, but itis a good one. Yes, all

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right, everybody will welcome back.So today we are going to go ahead
and talk about Jacqueline Duallaby. Ilove that last name, I know,
because cute. Just I think ofa wallaby. I know, it's not
like it's a little the animal.I know. Yeah, so cute.
This case is not though I didn'tknow it. It's it's not. It's
weird. And sometimes I feel likesome of these cases are conspiracy theories because

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I just don't unders damn yeah,especially with this one, like this one
kind of threw me for a littlebit of a loop because nothing made sense,
Like nothing made sense for her toget out of here. So on
the night of September tenth of nineteeneighty eight, seven year old Jacqueline Duallaby
was abducted from her home. Shelived in mid mid Louthian, Illinois,

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and she lived with her parents alreadystarted enough strongemone. She lived with her
mom, Cynthia, her and cynthiasecond husband, David. He had adopted
Jacqueline actually right around the time thathe and Cynthia married, and of course
then they had their son, Davy, who was four. David's mom did
own the house that they lived in, so you had she was there as

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well. I think her name isAnna, but she lived in the basement
apartment area. So the next morning, the couple's alarm goes off at seven
thirty in the morning. Cynthia immediatelyturns it off to go back to sleep,
as does David, and then abouteight in the morning, Davy comes
into wake up David. They bothget up and their head to the living
room and they make it a pointto be quiet because the girls are sleeping

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and they're just you know, tryingto hang out. It's a Saturday morning.
When David enters the living room,though, he sees that the front
doors partially open. However, hedoesn't really seem concerned about that, and
he just closes it and that's it, I guess. So then he puts
cartoons on for Davy and they watchit together. So at this point I

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have read varying time frames to wherehe either saw that door open between seven
to fifteen and eight in the morning. So there's a forty five minute difference
between a lot of accounts. I'mnot really sure when, but that's at
least consistent. Well, I knowthat the alarm clock went off and she
was like, hey, what's today, and they're like Saturday, and they
were like, okay, well,we don't have to do anything. Shut

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the alarm off. They went tobed. He did get up, He
did go ahead and went downstairs withDavy, and then he did watch cartoons.
He did hear the mom start toget up, so he got her
a cup of coffee and he wasbringing it up and she was like,
hey, yo, is jacquel lineup? Yeah? Yeah, And that
happens about night in the morning whenhe goes up to bring up the coffee
or she asked him, is jacqueline up? And then he was like,
nope, no, she's not upyet. And she was like,

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okay, well I'm gonna go wakeher up. Yes, So that you
know, Cynthia goes into her roomand sees that Jacqueline isn't there at all,
and so both Cynthia and David startto search the rest of the house
and they don't find her. Davidis like, okay, well maybe we
should look outside. Maybe she's playingoutside with her friends and for some reason
she just left. So David andDavy go walking around the neighborhood. Then

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they go back because they don't findher. So they're going back to then
take his truck to then drive furtheraround to the area. Anna, David's
mom, did not come home theprevious night. She had gone out with
drinks. She had had drinks withfriends, went home with a man that
night. Will kind of go overher whereabouts a little bit more in a
minute, but she doesn't come backand tell about like ten thirty that morning.

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Once Steven and Cynthia get back,they do go down to Anna's apartment
again. I believe they had alreadychecked there. I'm not really sure,
but at some point they noticed thatone of the windows is broken and they
hadn't seen this. They hadn't seenit the first time. Now again this
is conflicted because I did I didwatch the Unsolved Mysteries episode oh, season

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five, episode ten. I AMDBtells you season two, and that's not
correct. It took me so longto find this episode. I couldn't YouTube.
Well yeah, no YouTube, Ijust couldn't find what episode it was,
so that it took me a secondtube. I watched the whole episode
and I was like Robert, Iknow, I was like, I really
want to go back and watch.I was looking through all of them.
I was like, muth man likeall this shit. I was like,

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I need to sit down and watchthis ship. Dude. Every time I
hear his fucking voice, it flashesme back to when I was a kid
scared shitless and my Mom's like,just watch it. It's fine, and
I'm like, the aliens are coming, the ghosts are gonna get me,
and the skiller is on the looseto like I can't do this, Mom,
thank you. I would have liketo this day. It just like
it's one of those things where youknow, it's like PTSD or it just

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shocks me back and I'm like,ah, I can't do it. You're
like, oh, brings it backBurbank, California, if you or anybody.
And he's always in a fucking graveyardand he's always like the most serious
like a mortuary and all this.He also has the perfect face for it,
like his eyes were a little bitsunken back, like he just looks
like dead inside around here was atale and you're like, hey, truly

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my idol always one. Morrison andRoberts Stack are like really close together in
neck right speaking up Unsolved Mysteries.In the reenactment, they show Cynthia had
gone outside and that's where she seesthe broken window. So I'm not sure
at which point I read that theyhad gone into the apartment and then they
see the broken windows, So I'mnot really sure they're so from what I've

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read and in an article that theywent searching for her. When they came
back, they noticed the broken window, and then they were like, but
what's weird is the way it's broken. We're gonna get into that because I
have such a fucking issue with us. I don't get it. Okay,
so did I because I had anissue. Okay, we're gonna keep going.

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Okay, we're gonna go into that. Yes, so I have issues.
So at this at ten twenty sixin the morning, David does call
a midlothing employees. Their phone recordsfrom this day have been released, so
prior to calling the police, theycall Cynthia's sister in law, Sylvia Barelli,
then sus In Hazeman. She wasa friend. I think she was

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just the mom of a friend ofJacquelins. And then they called Jacquelin's biological
dad in Florida, and you'll laterfind out that he's in prison. So
did she call the prison? Idon't really know. Um, and all
of these had been about like aminute phone calls. But then they also
called Wagged restaurant and on the phonefor five minutes. Then they called for
one one, then they called thepolice. I have no fucking idea.

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And then they called the restaurant again. Oh did they I didn't see that.
I don't know why they're calling therestaurant, like, I don't they
weren't there that night before. Ithink that they know who did it?
You think so because Wag's restaurant iswhere what's his name was? Right?
I didn't see the name of whatrestaurant he was out, okay, because
I think that's what it was.I think that's it makes It would make

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because I think they wanted to belike, hey, is this person here
or whatever? But yeah, thatcould make sense with stuff we'll talk about
later with Dad suspect um. Andso before we go over what happens once
the police get there, which spoilereris just a fucking shit show, we're
going to talk about the night leadingup to Jacqueline's disappearance. So that day
before, which is the tenth ofSeptember, David does work from eight to

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four pm. He gets home aboutfive thirty. Then he leaves again at
six to meet up with some fransticalbowling and he goes bowling at Anchor Bowl
in Blue Island. He does gethome later at about nine to twenty pm.
Cynthia, Jacqueline, Davy, Anna, and Michelle Goldrick, which is
David's sister. They're all at thehouse. Michelle leaves shortly after David gets
back, and Jacqueline soon goes tobad and with her she takes a Christmas

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catalog with her to go, like, you know, circle stuff he wants
for Christmas. I remember doing thatwhen I was again all the time.
Yeah, that was so fun.Yeah, And this is like about ten
thirty, so at that time,somewhere around there, David, Cynthia,
and Davy do watch TV in theliving room. David goes to bed around
the same time as Jacqueline, apparentlyso the time. Again, timelines are

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kind of weird here, I mean, because you just don't know, Like
I can't tell you when I've whenI go to bed, and I can't
tell you like when I wake up, Like I can't tell you what time
I woke up this morning. WhenI looked at the clock, it was
nine thirty, but I've been upfor a while, like you, I
think I woke up at eight am. And if you watch the Unsolved Mysteries

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episode which they show interviews with Davidand Cynthia Day that talks about that too,
where he was like, you know, I don't know the same thing.
I don't know what time I didthis, like I did it around
this time, And he's like,well, but police want exact timing,
and so of course I'm gonna looksuspect or things are gonna look weird because
I don't remember, yeah, whichis so true, Like you hear that
all the time, Like no oneis unless you're actually going out and actually

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murdering someone, Like you're not gonnaremember it if you want to keep with
you, like you're not gonna thinkor like you know, I saw a
tweet the other day where it's likewatching crime shows has really showed me how
I can't account for fucking anything,Like what'd you do at this time while
I was watching TV alone? Likeno one can confirm that, And then
like it's just a whole spiral fromthere, so and that could be why

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timing hair is just a little bitweird. We do know that Cynthia stayed
up until possibly around eleven thirty,and then she goes to bed. She
does check on the kids. Jacquelineis reportedly fine. She had fallen asleep
with the lights on. I don'tknow. We don't really know when Davy
went to sleep or how late hestayed up. He's there, but you

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don't only hear that much about himbecause he's fucking four. So Anna leaves
about ten thirty at night to goto a Pappuccino's restaurant, and that's an
oak forest. She had gone onto the back door and knows that she
locked it because she checked. Shedid used to have both the front and
backdoor keys, and she would yougo out both of them. But that
year, literally like right before thishappens, at the beginning of the month,

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she did not have a key tothe front door anymore. And I
don't know why, but it's importantto remember for later. She could not
have opened the front door right orDonald Donald Woodwork is the responding officer,
and he sent out on a callfor a potential break in and abduction.
David is the one who lets himand and he explains that he believed a

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breaking happened and that his daughter hadbeen taken. Then they go outside where
the broken basement window would lead,and then they can see that the wire
screen in front of the window wasripped back, but it was still partially
attached, so part of it wasopen. What I don't understand is that
glass is lying on the outside,on the ground outside. In order to
do that, how do you haveto break that glass for the glass to

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be outside? So what I readis that someone would have to puncture it
and then pull it out, pullit out, which are you trying to
be stealthy at that point? First? It all I would like to see.
I would like to see somebody dothat properly. Correct me too,
because I'd like to see that executedwithout having anybody notice what the fuck you're

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doing, because you would have tobreak the glass and then you would have
to remove the glass. You wouldhave to puncture it enough where And this
is and this is saying, thisis not nineteen eighties glass that you can
like look at and break like backthen glass Like if you ever look at
old houses, the glass is likeit's not tempered glass, it's regular glass.

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So as any prick would go aheadand right, Yeah, so it
would have to be considered tempered glassto be able to do that, to
pull it back out. Yeah.And it wasn't small shards. It was
big shards. Yeah, it wasnot. Yeah, which and obviously,
like when I first saw that,I was like, well, obviously someone
on the inside in that apartment brokeit out. I mean what I could

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think of is they had a goodrock that they would have to go put,
you know, it would have togo through and then they would have
to pull it. But again thatdoesn't make sense, no, because even
then, because you would you wouldhave glass on the opposite racked and there
was none. No, none.Also the dust would disturb yes, on

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the inside. Does it sound familiarto anyone else? Window buddy, Like,
somebody tell me right now what thissounds like, because it's the same
it is, but before it isand that's yeah. Like sometimes I'm like,
well, if you look up.I was looking at videos and they
do they a lot of other peoplewere comparing this to Yea. So many

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type they will say it's so similar, like they there's one video on I
think on YouTube where they actually comparedthe similarities between the two and they're just
like This is really eerie because youit's such the same the broken window,
this difference the brother. Yes,the only difference is she's the older one,
right, you know that's the biggestdifference, right in terms of that

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stuff. Um, So they checkout the window, they go back inside.
An officer Wooderk goes to check Jacqueline'sroom and he noticed as he notices
that a dresser had been pulled out, like the drawers are open, clothes
are hanging out on the floor.The bed had also been pulled out at
an angle, still had sheets onit, but there was no comforter.
Both Cynthia and David say that theydid open the drawers and like through clothing

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about looking for her. I don'tthink she can fit in a drawer,
but I haven't had a kid missing, so I don't know. They also
would be less Tauston, I don'tknow why you would look in the drawer.
Yeah, I don't that one.I was like, that makes you
suspicious because I'm telling you right now, I don't give funk withs in that
drawer where's my kid? Unless you'relike looking like did she hide something in

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there that, like I don't know, ransacked the room? But again she
okay, And I would understand onehundred percent if this was a teenager.
But this is not a teenager.This is the eight year old. So
this is different, you know whatI mean? This is not this isn't
you know, just a teenager havingbad time whatever. This is just a
seven If she took a Christmas catalogto bed with her the night before she

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went missing, like, this isstill a very wholesome age, a very
innocent age, Like what is shegoing to hide? So I personally I
don't know, but I was,and I've never been in this situation,
so I don't know how to act. It almost takes me back to um
that one we did, when wedid when we were doing quarantine with a
little girl. Yes you know,yes, yeah, I can't remember her

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name for right now, just becauseit just popped in my head. It's
one of our quarantine chronicles if yougo back and listen. Yeah, it
kind of reminds me a little.It reminded me a little bit of that.
But I mean obviously that you justhave to bag in every correct So
someone groomed her to take her away, Yeah that was groomed, But this
I mean very different. Yeah,literally so far you have the broken window
and you have her comforter is gone, which Cynthia said was very unusual because

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she wasn't one of those kids thatwould tear your comforter with her and like
sit on the couch. It's likesomebody play with her up as she was
sleeping around picked her up in thecomforter. And that is my theory.
I mean, I'm sure that we'llget into some theories, but like my
theory is they picked her up sleepinginteresting where they just took her under the
comforter, kept her warm, justcarried her. It's really easy to carry

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a kid when they're in frem sleeplike I used scaring my kids to bed
all the time, like they wakeup for a second, but only for
a second. I don't remember shipand they don't remember. Like so many
times my kids be like, mom, how did I get in my bed?
I was same here. I waslike, I don't remember this blanket
being on me. So I meanI can understand that far. You know,
that's somebody taking her and keeping herwarm because they don't want to wake

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her up being cold, and thatit's just so calculated, like those little
things like to even consider that.Woodwork also finds a suitcase on and it
had clothes in it and around it. I believe it was on her bed
or somewhere close to it. Andaccording to Cynthia, this was one of
Jacqueline's playthings, like she would playpack or something. I don't totally get

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it. So Woodwork begins questioning thecouple and David tells him that he did
find the door partially open when hewoke up at eight in the morning,
and he was positive, however,that he had closed it when going to
bed the night before. On topof that, David had installed a sliding
bolt that was really high. Itwas like three feet down or a couple
feet down from the ceiling. Butno matter what, neither child could have

(27:10):
pulled it to open the door.So there is no way that Jacqueline could
have left of her own volition throughthe front door. I don't know if
the back door also had this lockon it, but Anna claims to have
locked it when she left. Now, Wood, in a very dumb move,
decides to go back out to thesidewalk where the glass is broken,
and he picks up the glass literally. Prime Evidence picks it up because he

(27:36):
wanted to see if there was bloodor fingerprints on it, and then he
tries to put them back approximately wherethey had been. Are you new,
yeah? Are you new? Yeah? Yeah yeah, Like I understand,
DNA was still very very new andhadn't been used in court yet in America.
But I'm gonna go ahead, andI'm gonna give you a little leeway.

(28:00):
No. Yeah, it's the eighties. It's it is. But you
know they don't have the protocol,is okay? This is how big is
this town? And I don't knowhow big Menlodian was. I don't.
I know, it's a summer inthe eighties. I have no idea.
I mean, you have to you'reyou're. I mean, we can't guarantee

(28:23):
that everybody's good at their job.And I know, I know, I
know people make mistakes, and Iknow I have hindsight, but it just
seems so fucking stupid to do that. I mean, this could maybe this
town didn't have a lot of thesethings, so this was like maybe weird.
And he was trying to figure outlike kind of what happened, and

(28:44):
he gotten in his own moment,like I can under I can understand that.
I mean now because of a lotof things that we have. We
have a lot more protocols and wehave a lot more rules that they need
to follow. But again because thesituations and OJ was a big reason why
we have that, because of howshe was handled. Sorry to bring it
up all the time, but no, no, how that c scene was
not handled. Okay, that too. There was a lot of contamination into

(29:07):
this that the thing was just likethey were coming in and out. But
the cops had or the police hadmultiple days where they were able to go
in and out of here without itbeing actually blocked off. They had this
place for a long time, sothey could have went in and out.
And I'm they yeah, they don'thave the protocols where they're like, well

(29:27):
I touched it, but I youknow, put it back fine, Yeah
I didn't see it where nowadays theylike, that's not the way it would
go. I mean trial and air, trial and air. Yeah, I
got to be forgiving. You gottabe forgiving. Not everybody's born. They
do their job training m So hegoes back through the house and he goes

(29:55):
into Anna's room, which is wherethe basement window was located. Was specifically
in her bedroom room. The brokenwindow yeah, it was in her room,
but it was also there was ametal rack under the window, and
on top of that rock there wasa cloth basket and two boxes were under
this rack. Now wood parts thecurtains sees that there was an even layer

(30:15):
of dust across the window. Sealakah. Nothing has crossed that, rubbed
against it, blown against it.No one came through this window, nothing,
No one dead and and and thesewindows are unlocked. They didn't going
to get the broken rackt Yes,majority of those windows were unlocked in that

(30:36):
basement. Yeah, which an FBIagent lighter testifies two. Yeah, so
yeah. Yeah. Another big thingwas that people were like, well,
um, you can't go because theirwhole issue too was there's no proof that
anyone stepped on the rack that wasright under the window, which they would
have to do if they broke in. And then David has a friend tried

(30:59):
to imitate that and he's able toget in without touching the rack and bending
the rack, and he's like it'spossible. Here's the proof, Like someone
can do it because you leverage yourselfagainst the wall. And then I mean
there's maybe a scuff mark, butlike that's really it. But like yeah.
So yeah, but that's still you'rein the dark. When they did
that experiment, they were in thelight. It was dark in the video,

(31:23):
did they know? I thought theydid it in the light where it
was like they were able to seebecause he put his foot in and he
was like, oh, yeah,it's possible. But maybe you're wrong,
but I thought it was dark.Who knows, I don't know. Watch
the Unsolved Mysteries episode and correct me. Well, I mean, I can't
go off of Unsolved Mysteries because that'sjust a reenactment. Well, I think

(31:44):
they played the actual video. Ohdid they I thought they did. I
assumed it was the original video,So maybe I'm wrong again. What is
the issue with this too, though, is that Woodrek also doesn't report that.
He never says right away that therewas dust on that windows seal at
all. Yes, So in hisinitial report he's like, oh, point

(32:07):
of entry was this window, Andit's not even until the end of the
month, on September twenty seventh ofnineteen eighty eight, when he discloses,
in my opinion, this other keypiece of evidence, that there was dust
on this window seal. Right.Again, it's like John Bananas cobwebs,
Like, no one came through thatfucking window, right, And also they

(32:27):
had cobwebs in this basement as wellthat were undisturbed and not touched as well.
And that windows. Oh yes,I think you're right. Yes there
was something else, so probably cobwebs. So yeah, he didn't report that,
So you're rookie. Okay, youjust picked up glass for fun.
And then you also just didn't reportit, Like, come on, dude,
you're not going to lose anything forreporting it. You should report it.

(32:52):
Why didn't you report it? Youwaited three weeks to do this?
Okay? So around this time,the working theory was that someone had broken
in through the basement, taken Jacquelin, once they got upstairs, took her
from her bed, walked past herparents' bedroom and out the front door.
Could happen now. Hayden Baldwin wasa crime scene technician add to the Illinois

(33:12):
State Police, and in his latertestimony, he said that Andrew's Anna's bedroom
was unkempt, and inside the window, you know, inside the window,
well that was broken. It alsohappened to be unlocked. He did find
two cobwebs on either corner and heagain too noticed the layer of dust on
the edge. This is another personwho basically testifies that this window was undisturbed

(33:35):
outside the breaking glass, of course, like no one came through that shit.
While examining Jacqueline's room, he doesfind a smear. He finds smear
marks on her bedroom door. Unfortunatelythey could not be like they couldn't lift
usable prints off of this. Therewere also smear marks on the front door.
Again nothing could be lifted though.Now the next day, on the
eleventh of September, the FBI getsinvolved. It's a missing child, so

(33:59):
they have to get involved. AndAgent Stephen Kasherski Kashierski say, that's how
Sheerski Cashierski interesting. Um So hedoes his own your family sky just like
a doucheba kier sky and kiss that. Um So, there was a basement

(34:20):
window that looked out into the backyardthat was unlocked. There was another unlocked
basement window in the laundry room.And he too would later testify that police
had full access to the families homefrom the tenth to the fourteenth. So
they have all this time, likeyou said, to go in and out
and like look at everything, whichthey don't really um. David did give
blood in urine samples. He alsogave written profession to take medical records that

(34:44):
belonged to the family members, youknow, maybe to rule them out and
just whoever. He was very forthcomingwith a lot of He was very cooperative
the whole tire um. Now,on September fourteenth of nineteen eighty eight,
Jacklin's body was found and it waslike three to six mile from her home.
I did read some conflicting reports aboutthe miles from her house to this

(35:04):
location, but it's roughly it's lessthan ten miles away. So there was
one report that said it was adump sight at another report from the case
file itself said it was a parkinglot in the island or apartments in Blue
Island, Illinois. Oh my god, I heard it was field. So
well it is, so it's therewas a parking lot. But then if
you like in the video, theyhad the actual crime footage where there's a

(35:27):
lot of thicket and brush, andso it was like, yeah, I
know it was it was back toan apartment complex parking lot. But she
was found in the underbrush kind ofarea. And so Michael Chapman was the
one to find the body. Hepulled into the rear parking lot about five
forty five in the evening and hesmelled a strong odor. He looks into

(35:49):
the brushes closest to the smell andhe sees a small bundle that was wrapped
in what was described as a covering. He moved some of the brushes back
and saw that it was a smallbody that had was faced up. And
the body was only two feet awayfrom the parking lot, so not like
it was hidden because of the underbrush, but not that far. And the
sheet the body was wrapped in coveredalmost everything but the arm in the head.

(36:12):
Now, the next part is tough, so just a morning maybe skip
ahead because we're gonna talk about likeher body like in the status. So
it's tough. It's a seven yearold, so skip ahead if you don't
want to hear that. Now.Jacqueline's body was wrapped in a quilt.
It was a multi colored quilt andit was later determined that this was the
comforter that was missing from her bed. There were maggots present in her upper
torso and it was quite a lot. Yeah, it was very There was

(36:35):
a lot of decomposition, which Ithought was weird, but we'll get into
that too. There were also maggotsaround her head area. She had no
visible bruises to her face or herhead. They did find a rope that
was tied around her neck, andthe rope had been wound around her neck
twice, and the excess was lyingdown like across, like down her legs.
I think it was across her body, down her legs. It wasn't

(36:58):
a noose. No, it wasn't. It didn't. It wasn't nodded.
It was just how I liked itwas nodded. Oh I read it was.
It wasn't nodded. Okay, roundher neck it was just put un
and then draped over so like likea pool. Correct Yeah, yeah,
okay, yeah, maybe it Maybeit was not it or maybe not,

(37:21):
but it was definitely round around twice. They also found a pair of white
underwear about a foot from her body. They were clean and not inside out,
which would indicate if they were thatsomebody like had taken him off,
yes in general or not correct um. Later that day, Officer Kashiersky and
obviously Lay were at the Dullaby's houseonce they got the notification that a body
had been found um, and Cynthiabroke down when she was told, of

(37:45):
course, like her daughter died.Um. But David was not home when
Cynthia heard. He was into facttaking a second polygraph test. That was
a shit show. Oh god.So we'll pause here for a break and
then we'll come back and talk aboutthis whole shit show of a polygraph.
Yes, yes, polygraph number two. All right, welcome back. So

(38:07):
second polygraph So he did he didthe first one, um, but sometime
between the time she went missing andher body was found and he passed it
was fine, um, but thesecond one he did not. Now the
issue was, according to David,is that the man administering the test and
him got into a fight because thisman was like, okay, I want

(38:30):
you to answer yes to every question, basically lie because I want to see
what's going to happen. Yeah,he had because when you do a polygraph
test, you have to do questionsthat you you tell the truth and then
questions that you lie. So theso is that normal? Because I was
like that kind of sounds weird,but I know they always ask you like,

(38:51):
you know, is your name?This is that? This is there's
tests or questions and then they'll askyou questions again, but they'll be wrong,
like is your name? Is yourname Tyler? Is you is your
birthday July twenty six? And you'resupposed to say yes to those so they
see how it reacts with you lyingyour baseline, and then they can that's

(39:13):
how they determine how it is becausethere's i mean, with polygraph tests,
everybody runs different. Some people getnervous with polygraph tests, so that's why
they ask you those individual questions sothey can gauge on how it's gonna how
it looks when you do lie versuswhen you when you are asked a question,
because some people may just be nervousand they're like, is your name
Davin And you're like yes, andit might it'll still spike because you're you're

(39:37):
talk But then I'm like is yourname Courtney and you're like yes, and
it goes up. So that's howthey gauge it. And but the question
that they asked him to say yesis not the question like they shouldn't have
asked They should have asked him that, but as it's as hey, he
could respond, not is this ayes? Like answer correct? No should

(40:00):
have been a question after the testhas been done to determine the truth and
the lie. Yes, So becausethe second question they asked him is did
you kill Jacqueline? And David's like, I have no problem saying that my
name is like Kevin or lying aboutmy name, but I cannot answer yes,
Like I'm not going to answer,not going to say yes to this
because he knew because I did whatthey were doing. Well, yeah,

(40:21):
he knew. I think he knewat this point that they had their eyes
on him. They didn't their leads. So they were trying to close this
case because they have to leave thesecases open. They can't just be like,
we don't know what happened. Yeah, we're going to close this case.
They have to until it's solved.It's open until it's solved, exactly.
And they didn't go through all day, and they kind of botched this

(40:42):
ship. So they were like theybotched it from and they thought it was
him from the get go. Yeah, so of course you know he he's
getting into this fire, the administratorand so they interrogate him further. And
during this interrogation is when he's toldthat Jacqueline's body had been found. Well,
he thinks they're lying, right,so because police can legally lie to
you in questioning. And he wasjust like, I think they're trying to

(41:04):
get me, so I'm not gonnaI don't believe you, And he called
them liars and he leaves, andthen, of course, unfortunately, once
he gets home and he sees Cynthia, he does know that it's true that,
unfortunately Jacqueline is dead. Jenny Hahn, who is a forensic scientist who
worked on the case. She statedthat she didn't find any blood stains or
semen on the panties that were foundat the scene. There was a stain
on what they called like the backpanel of the underwear, but it wasn't

(41:28):
stemen or blood. It was justI don't know, didn't really matter.
They did do swabs of her vagina. There was no semen found, but
there was blood found under her fingernails. They did find blood blood that would
later show to be Type OH blood. Now, Jacqueline, Day and Cynthia
were all Type OH. But Davidis Type A, right, So if
you assume David killed her, it'snot David's blood, you know, so

(41:51):
could be her blood, could beher mom's blood, or someone else was
typo like it's not David though.What was found in the underwear were two
hairs. One was a pubic hairand one was a hair from someone's head.
The head hair test did test positivefor Jacqueline, so that was hers
of course, but the pubic harecouldn't have been her, so she was
not she was pubest and she's fuckingseven, like, there's no way,

(42:13):
there's no way she would have apubic hair. No, so it wasn't
her. Um and I haven't seenanything of like who whose it was?
I don't know if they tested it, but I haven't heard it. There
was like, there's this pubic hair, but I don't think they found a
match. Maybe not like you justlike, okay, which is weird.
It's like, but there's a randompubic hair, but that should also tell

(42:35):
you, okay, well her headhair is in it. There's a pubic
hare, so this could this wason someone's junk, like I know,
which it would be right. Youwould be rightful to assume that whoever was
wearing this for however long, isthe person who killed her. I know.
So if it's not, why didn'tyou test other people's hair? It's

(42:55):
gonna be weird, like, hey, David, give you a pubic hair,
but like, if it isn't goingto solve your daughter's gaze, like
fucking do it. But I don'tthink they asked and they just was like,
nah, that's fine. I knowit's we don't care. Well,
I think because they tested everybody elsealready and they just found out that it
wasn't. But then I should againlike okay, whatever, I'm not a
detective, so but it seems weirdthis week. Maybe next week I'll be

(43:22):
a detective. I just don't knowwhat I am today, which fits with
our theme. Jenny also did findtwo blood stains on Jacqueline's pillow that were
type of blood. They were differentcolors and there were different intensities, so
to expert this meant that one wasolder than the other. No blood sperm
or seamen were found in the mattressitself. While we know the blood stains

(43:45):
happened at different times, they couldn'treally determine the age at all. Ralph
Meyer did analyze the broken basement window, and based on the brakes and the
stress marks, all that fancy stuff, he determined that it wasn't broken from
the inside out as you would assumeit was broken on the outside, which
again, we don't know how thatmakes Like, that does not make sense
to me. Do you can't?Like I want to a bank robber,

(44:08):
but MythBusters helped me out because MythBusters, Like I want to know, I
have two cases that you need tohelp me debunk because this is I don't
understand unless they did, Like,Okay, here's my thing. I'm like,
all right, what if they didthat thing? You know how like
um, they shoot the gun whenthey want to like scale up a wall.

(44:30):
Yeah, do you know what I'mtalking like a glass cutter thing too,
Like it's a very high tech shitlike that. That's the only way
if they like pierce through it andthen pulled it through. That's what they're
saying happened, is that they wouldhave had to pierce it. But then
again, like I just don't see. I don't understand that one. I
don't understand how the glass did notget in the inside from being broken from

(44:52):
the outside. It would have.Yeah, I don't know. I just
I don't understand unless they like pulledit. Yeah, that's where they're they're
saying somehow that someone punctured it somehowand then pulled and pulled it out.
I just but that and also thatagain just points to me. If that
is what happened, and I meanwe expertly that's what they're saying happened,

(45:15):
then it just seems like someone whoit's a calculated move because you wanted to
make it look like it was adifferent You didn't want to alert anyone that
there was glass over there. Socalculated, why didn't you figure out a
way to remove the glass completely?I mean it also worked in the favor
because no one, it didn't comeof anything like experts fucked the glass up

(45:37):
too. Yeah. Yeah, youknow, like there's a whole thing we'll
get into later with the trial.Like it wasn't it didn't matter, Like
this person got so fucking lucky.There was the broken glass, there was
the open door. You took herfrom her house sleeping while there was at
least three other people there, andno one fucking knows what happened, No
one as far as we know.Um. Yeah, So doctor Robert Stein,

(46:00):
who was a medical examiner for CookCounty, he's the one who did
the autopsy on Jacqueline, and hedid note that her body was quote markedly
decomposed. Unsurprisingly, as we've alreadydiscussed what that looked like, there were
thousands of maggots present due to theweather at the time, which was warm

(46:20):
and humid. The level of decompositionwas consistent with her being dead for about
five and a half days, whichdoesn't line up like she went missing on
the tenth, found on the fourth, unless they did the autopsy the next
day, and that's counting his fifthday that one. I didn't I didn't
look in too hard hard enough,just because you don't know where she was
stored for those three days, youknow what I mean. You don't know

(46:45):
if she was out in the sun, and if she was still a little
bit I mean, I know itis in September, but it's still a
little bit more on the human side. It is getting colder, Like if
this was done in September, Imean, excuse me, if this was
done in December, then maybe thedecomposition has wouldn't have been so much because
it would have been a lot colder. It would have preserved her. It

(47:06):
would have preserved her because it doessnow there. So I'm thinking that they
had wherever they had her body wasin like a baked sun, yeah,
which she was probably out in thatarea the whole time, and then it
just got worse and worse and worsethe smell, and then that's what tipped
off that guy who found her.I mean, it doesn't take long for

(47:31):
the decomposition to start, No,it starts like after the first hour.
Yeah, So I mean it wouldn'tbe as but she would have to be
in the sun. Yeah, there'sno other way for her. Yeah,
because even her fingers were starting todecomb and usually that's kind of like last
yeah, like yeah, and there'sno I didn't read anything about rigor or

(47:51):
anything which goes away after a coupleof hours too, And I know they
found her like a few days later, but still like, yeah, she
had to have been in a veryhot area for the entire time right after
she died. There's no other way. So an X ray was done and
there were no fractures or evidence ofany bullets anything like that, any trauma

(48:13):
to like her bones that you couldn'tsee visually. There's no injury to her
head. There's no bruises on herhands or arms, no rope burns on
her arms at all, the sameone for her torso, and they were
looking for evidence of her maybe beingtied up or tied down, and there's
nothing. Her cause of death wasdetermined as literature strangulation, which obviously makes
sense with the rope right now.A neighbor named Holly Deck did testify that

(48:37):
on the evening of September ninth,her four dogs were growling and barking at
the side of the door which wasclosest to the Duallaby home and they did
continue this from like eleven PM tomidnight, and according to Holly, this
was very unusual as her dogs wouldonly really bark if there was a stranger
around. So she thinks that maybeher dogs were seeing something, which I

(49:00):
don't know. It would have tobe the family at that point because as
far as we know, at aroundeleven thirties, when Cynthia went to bed,
like maybe she crossed right away,but like that's the family was up,
most of them, so that's weird. Um. Holly did go to
bed about like one thirty in themorning, and she gets up about forty

(49:21):
minutes later, and at two tenin the morning, she goes to the
bathroom, goes to the kitchen toget some water and afterwards, you know,
she happens to look out the windowand sees that all the cars but
Cynthia's blew Malibu were there. SoCynthia's cars gone at two ten in the
morning on top of that. Butoh no, I'm sorry, it was

(49:42):
there, but it was parked weird. Yeah, but like it was also
known that, like the dad wouldgo ahead and use the car too sometimes,
Oh her Malibu. So no one, no matter what, Okay,
yeah, so it was it wasshe was it was there. Um oh
no, everyone but Anna's car wasgone. And then but synth his car
was parked really haphazardly where it waslike onto the gravel and like not fully

(50:05):
on the driveway. And another neighbor, Brian Anderson, would testify to the
same thing, stating that when hewent out at eight am or looked out
the window at that time, hedid see the blue Malibu that was parked
in the same position, so forabout six hours it had been like that.
Yet another neighbor came forward to saythat he had seen Davy playing with
the ropes that matched the one usedto strangle Jacqueline and it was before her

(50:28):
murder, and he said it wasmore of like a clothesline than a jump
rope, which is possibly maybe howDavy was playing with it as like a
jump rope or something. But Ithink it also testifies like how the quality
of it and maybe how thin itwas. So far, with all of
this, it seems like something sinisterhappened within the family. Remember, David

(50:49):
isn't Jacqueline's biological dad, so whenshe goes missing before her body was found,
they consider him or her biological dadJimmy Guess as a suspect, but
they quickly find out that he's inprison in Florida. He's busy, couldn't
have done it, he was,he was busy, he was doing other
stuff. Yeah, He's like Iwas behind bars about Like however, many
states away, couldn't have done it. He's like I was in thee Yeah,

(51:12):
like I was sleeping about to getup. I don't know, which
is very unfortunate for Cynthia David becausethen they moved to the top of the
suspectial list, which of course it'sroutine. They were going to be on
the list anyways, because you haveto rule out the family. Friends,
family, and spouses are always thecorrect and of course what is particularly damning
is this eyewitness testimony that comes outlater, and that is of Everett Man,

(51:37):
who lived in the Islander apartments.When he was coming home the night
of September tenth at about two inthe morning, he had to drive to
the rear parking lot because there wasno other spaces to park in the front,
and so he goes to the backto as a U turn, and
he's able to snag the second parkingspot next to the driveway, which is
directly behind his building. On hisright, he sees repair of headlights to

(51:59):
turn on, and the car isnear where Jackline's body would later be found
in four days. As he's watching, Man sees the car pull up slowly
and then turn left. I think, like they said, it turned in
a southerly direction, which fuck you. I don't know what that means.
But okay, I'm assuming you turnedleft. Um, and so he had

(52:19):
to crush the driveway. I don'tknow compass points. You can fucking tell
me, go north. I don'tknow what that means. Where's it,
Croy? Where is it to McDonald's, Like, I don't know. It's
so funny because I do it allthe time. I'm like I'm like,
so if you go down, it'son like the southeast corner. Fuck,
you don't know what that means?Do it all the time? Nope,
Sorry I didn't. I didn't internationallychallenge. No, I learned it.

(52:45):
But I learned to do that whenI was like later in my twenty.
Yeah, my dad tries to teachme. I'm like, I don't know
what you're talking about when you first. When you start doing it, it's
like a lot easier. But ray, Yeah, I was like, oh,
he he drove in a southern leftor right? Motherfucker's which way did
he fucking turn? That's all Iwant to know? Thank you, good
night? He was going so,I mean, he was probably going down.

(53:07):
I just want to know which waydid he turn? In front of
EVA? That's all I care about. I don't care which way he was
deciding to go all the time.When I give directions, I'm like,
all right, go north here andno address, go north on seventh Avenue
and nope, can't do it.Don't know what it means. No.
So he did also testify that itwas a dark car and it was like

(53:30):
a late model midsize car, possiblya seventies Malibu. Um, he does
see someone inside the car. Hecan make out the solhobette of a head,
and he catches the profile of thisperson which showed them as having a
very large nose, and overall hethought it could have been a man.
Um. He doesn't think anything ofthis though, when he just goes to

(53:50):
that know what ethnicity he was,He didn't know he was. Also didn't
know how old he was. Yes, the only thing that he can he
can pick out was that he hada large nose. That's it, correct,
Yes, that's it. And hewould later tell police that they also,
on top of all of that,that the lights in the back of
the building were off. They weren'tworking, so it's dark. It's also

(54:15):
seventy five yards away, so youcan't accurately describe anything from that far.
At seventy five yards at morn atthe night. Correct, they created it.
It is not possible. He wouldhave to have spidy vision. But
they took his testimony prosecution as infact. So, yes, of course

(54:37):
this happened. This happened. Blahblah blah. I wouldn't they I would,
I would, but it's I guessyeah, sure, um, so
based on this and based on theaccount that the window army I wrote this
wrong. Um. So it wasbasically just based on this that they arrest

(54:57):
Ble, Cynthia and David. Keepin mind, Everett never saw, like
Courtney said, the face of thisperson, never saw anything suspicious, nobody
dropped off. There was just thiscar there. There was a silhouette of
a person, and that's it.Everett was also later showed a photo lineup,
and one photo was of David's um. He said that David's shape of
his nose a match what he saw. But the issue is is that one

(55:22):
David's photo was thirty percent bigger thanthe others. So if you're looking for
someone who had a bigger nose,and then it would go, I know,
I'm gonna get to it. Calmdown, I just it's gonna it's
just so like, obviously he's gonnapick that one because the nose is bigger.
But the photos are all also ofthe front of their faces. Everett
didn't see the front of anyone's face. He saw the silhouette of their face.

(55:43):
So again you can't accurately judge thatat all. You can't. Plus
it's being seventy five seventy very yardsaway. And this is nothing against Everett
either, it's just physically aside anyone, no, like you you he should
have been a key witness. It'stwo am. But that's the only thing

(56:04):
that they had. That's the onlything that they had. They have very
circumstance. He was coherent though,Yes, he did present very well.
He was He wasn't intoxicated at thetime, so it was credible. Yeah,
in a sense, it's credible.Yeah, yes, um. And
again, like the defense pointed out, well, like of course he would
have chosen David. It's because David'swas fucking bigger. Like you gave a

(56:28):
bigger photo. I like, Idon't know how why this one was bigger,
but it is. Yeah. Andhe was also shown photos of cars
owned by the Duallabies and not includedtwo vans, a truck, and the
light blue Malibu that we know belongedto Cynthia, but apparently David drove two.
Now, Everett said that the Malibumatched mostly to what he saw that
night, but they of course don'tbring up his or they do bring up

(56:51):
his statement where he said it wasa dirt car. And to this,
Everett said, well, you knowdue to the lack of light, like
and maybe it looked dark. Ican't. I don't know, because you
can you can tell, like you, I mean, that's a light blue
exactly, you would see it lighter. And and I believe that Malibu's colors

(57:13):
are when it's a light blue,it's almost like a like cloudy, like
a cloud blue is what I'm thinking. Yes, and they're thinking dark now
can but if a light hasn't evenreflected a little bit, it would see
But it's also to me like dark. A dark blue would also I would
assume would look black like my car. My car is dark blue, but

(57:34):
in the night it looks black.My car definitely looks So why would you
be like, oh no, it'sthis remarkably lighter car, right could have
been that, Like I don't personallybuy it. Maybe I'm the dark it
was a blue, you know whatI mean? Yeah? Maybe, but
also again, like it's a darkblack from blue. It's far fetched,
there's no way. So um.November twenty second of nineteen eighty eight,

(57:58):
a grand jury doesn't diet Cynthia andDavid on the murder and concealment of a
homicide, and they're arrested right away. So the trial begins on April fifth
of nineteen ninety and at the endof the trial, before it's handed over
to the jury on May first,Judge Richard A. Neville, he grants
Cynthia what they call quote a directverdict of not guilty, and he drops
the charges against her, stating thatthere is not enough evidence to convict her.

(58:22):
So she goes through this whole fuckingchild just to be told at the
end by the judge like good forher, like she was very happy to
get off, and she assumed Davidwould get off too, because what they
have against him is what they haveagainst her, you would assume. But
that's not what happens. And we'regoing to get to that in a second
too. So the prosecution's case,it really hinges on not only Everett Man's

(58:45):
testimony, but the fact that therewas no credible evidence to show that someone
else broke in. As far aswe know, Cynthia and David were the
only two adults home with the kids. There's no footprints outside to indicate that
someone had been outside at all.Jackline did not walk out of the house
on her own, because one youknow, out the door but not only

(59:06):
that, but her knees, herlegs, her feet were very clean.
There was wasn't dirt to show thatmaybe she had walked around, you know,
maybe a little dirt because she wason the ground, you know when
her body was found, but notenough work covered in dirt like she was.
It was very lean. The defense, of course, you know,
try to prevent Anna as another personwho had an opportunity to kill her.

(59:29):
She loved the house at ten thirtyin the night, and she said that
she went to Poppuccino's restaurant, butthere is no eyewitness that can't account for
her movements until midnight, so anhour and a half she is technically unaccounted
for. And it's not until she'sseen with friends at El Dorado Lounge that
she has more of a solid alibi. They also really focus on the issue

(59:50):
of Officer Woodwick's report that did notfirst mention that there was dust on the
window ledge of the broken window,because again someone cannot it wasn't disturbed,
no one came through it. Theyalso stated the defense or the police officers
never tried to find another sign offorced entry. It was like they zeroed
in on this one window because itwas broken. When all the other windows

(01:00:12):
were unlocked in that basement, theydid not have screens, they would all
have been very easy entry points,and Agent kaushier Ski even testifies in court
that he was able to easily openall of those windows whenever he tried.
Not sure when, not sure whatthat wasn't explored, but he was like,
yeah, I could, I couldopen them very easily. There were
also comments that David made that policebelieved made him look guilty, and one

(01:00:37):
that rubbed me the wrong way,Like, if this is true, is
when a woman gave her condolences andhe says, quote, yeah, it
was really hard at first, butit gets easier day by day. But
like you're still in the middle ofit. So if this is true,
I don't know why you would sayit like that. I don't know if
it was past weird whatever. Imean, you know, and I when

(01:01:00):
I was when I was doing researchon this, and I that's true.
That's a true statement. Like itdoes get better day by day. Once
you start to get close to closure, you can get closer to acceptance.
So I don't find that odd.I find I think it's because I think
that it's weird. That people aretrying to project on how you cope with

(01:01:22):
a tragedy. Yeah, like itsucks, but they found the body.
They know she's dead. Like theworst part of a parent not knowing what's
happened to their child, like youdon't know, but at this point they
know she's gone and they can theycan start coming to terms. I didn't

(01:01:44):
find this a red flag in myopinion. I found this to be a
truthful statement that was turned to benegative. Oh right, Like I mean,
yeah, when you first hit it, it hits you like a ton
of bricks, But it's true everysingle day you do get a little bit
better because you were able to acceptit. Yeah, you know what I

(01:02:07):
mean, Like, I find thatlike that one that is playing upon emotions
and that's not factual evidence. Tome, that's that and and you know
me, I'm all about facts,Like emotional is not for me. That's
why I was like, that's notsomething to look at because that's that's a
true statement. No, And thereason I get it because I also don't

(01:02:30):
think that like you're never not goingto know how you're going to act in
that situations. So for me tosit here and say, well and deny
you shouldn't stage three. Yeah forsure. Also like um, also,
uh, you know, putting upyour defenses of not to be hurt anymore
or or you know you're going tocompartmentalize. And I have to say,

(01:02:51):
he's not. It's not his daughter. It's not his daughter. Yeah,
so you don't have like they're they'reassuming you have this maternal bond. But
this is not his maternal daughter.This is his stepdaughter. Where do I
believe that he loved her? Yes, of course, but this isn't as
much as for Cynthia as it isfor David, because it's not his biological

(01:03:15):
child. Like you do have abond with your child, which is why
he adopted her too. It's becausehe felt that bond. And yeah,
but like it's a different connection forpoor kid it versus a step And I'm
not saying and again I'm not sayinghe didn't love her. I'm just saying
it was it's gonna be easier forhim to get over the situation than Cynthia

(01:03:37):
or prison dad. Yeah, Jimmy, Yeah, No, for sure.
I think the reason I felt itwas kind of weird, it was because
it's still barely two months out ofit, and you're also now in the
midst of trying to figure out who. Okay, but yeah, but in
his eyes again, not his daughter. He doesn't have that like soul crushing
thing. Yeah, and he's goingthrough a fucking ale where he's getting convicted

(01:04:00):
of this, right, so he'slike, yeah, no, that part's
getting better each day where he's onlya support system for Cynthia at this point,
right, Yeah, this makes abrieve of a daughter. That's why
I was like, I just youhave to separate the emotion from the tribe.
Oh, yes, no you can't. Like it wasn't like Chris Watts
where he talked about his family inthe past tense and that no, it's

(01:04:24):
fine. That was very warranted,well like and it, but it's not
the same thing because he did pasttense when he talked about his family when
they were so missing, right,which is a clear indicator that you know
you that you murdered them. Andthis is very different. So I don't
think that you can fool You canjudge the words that they use, but
you can't judge their emotions because that'snot fair. Like we'll get Amanda Knox
like a mana Knox is just aweird person. And then that was just

(01:04:46):
used against her in court, andthere was so much of their evidence to
point to this other person who weknow did it right. Um, Yeah,
so you can't you can't judge it. Um. He did also lie,
apparently to police about the events ofthat night on the what was it
the ninth to tenth, So inone interview he said that he had gone

(01:05:08):
into Jackline's room to give her akiss on the forehead, and then like
when he was questioned again, hesaid that he didn't see her that night.
That is the one thing that Iwas like, Oh, did I
want to see how he worded it? Like, obviously you did see her
that night because she was home whenyou were there, when you got home.
So did you go into her roomor did you not? Yeah?
That's the biggest thing, Yeah,which is like, did you did you

(01:05:30):
go say good night to her ordid you not? Did were you trying
to present yourself as a good fatherquote unquote yeah, you kids good night?
Or did you just automatically assume shewas fine in her room? Right?
Was it? Yeah? I'd liketo see how he worded it and
like how far apart the questionings werelike, there's so much that goes into
that. So for me, like, that's not that doesn't prove anything.

(01:05:51):
They also really don't give any evidenceto connect him to the crime at all,
Like there's nothing besides that he livedwith Jacqueline. The only thing is
is that, like you can't provethat no one else, You can't,
you have no other suspect, isreally what this is. Again, That's
when I go back to they wantedto close this case. They wanted to
close this case to not have todeal with it again because I think that

(01:06:12):
they were like, oh my god, fucking detective homeboy fucked up. He
was touching everything. He's going tocover us, got to get this closed.
Oh there's a lot of shady stuffthat happened so much that it was
just like red flag or Yeah.So of course Cynthia's thinking, Okay,
I got off because there's no evidenceagainst me. I know David didn't do
it with it like they were like, you know, we don't have evidence

(01:06:34):
for you, We're just gonna goahead and cut this off. But yeah,
I thought it was we're going togo after David, Yeah, exactly,
And they do, and so theysend his case to the jury and
they deliberate. I read from likeeighteen hours, which is probably like working
day, so about three days,and they came back with a guilty verdict
in nineteen ninety. The judge didsentence time two consecutive terms of forty years

(01:06:56):
on the murder charge, but alsoa five year charge for concealing a homis
side. So like right away,Cynthia and she gathers her friends and family,
they start this grassroots movement to getthe case back into the public sphere
to then like you know, tryto get David out. So there's a
journalist by the name of David Protests. It was very important in getting this

(01:07:16):
case out there. He wrote storiesabout the case and he really criticized the
investigation. He pointed out that ittook scientists three days to collect the broken
glass from outside, by which,yeah, like I said, they had
a lot of time in this.They had in four days. Yeah,
in this investigation where they can comein and out and collect or not collect

(01:07:36):
or or do anything or not doanything, where they really they really did.
They watched this, They watched thiswhere they didn't they either didn't take
it serious, which I think that'swhat it is. I think they didn't
take it serious at first. Ithought they were just like, oh,
it's just a missing kid type ofthing, and they even then that should

(01:07:57):
warrant a lot of it. There'snever it's just a missing like that.
It's just a murder like that.And I didn't research on how big this
town is, right, I've beenlike, this has never been heard of
before, you know, like they'venever really had a missing kids don't happen
here, or they do have alot of kids, but then they end
up at the friend's house, orthey end up at somebody else. Seven,

(01:08:19):
she's seven, but it's the eighties, Like I remember what I was
seven, But this is like satanicpanic, Like how are people in that
like Rainer, you know, thekids like in the eighties? Are you
kidding me? Yeah? Like youcome out in the street lights on,
Like they were not disturbed that shemaybe was playing outside at eight in the
morning, Like it's a different time, like not here, not nowadays,

(01:08:44):
and especially if it's again a smallcity like I again, I grew up
in a very small town, andI would wake up, I would go
outside like I'm like all right,be back later, Like they're like,
all right, cool when the streetlights come on, literally when the street
lights come on, and that's whenyou come in, right then Dart,
when it's dart, come in andthink nobody knew where the fuck I was.

(01:09:05):
I was playing in fucking graveyards.So and that was literally literally I
was, which is I think,why we're here today? Things I want
to do this, um so,I mean, and that was in the
nineties, so I mean in theeighties, like you just kind of do
what you did. You played outside. There wasn't a lot of care,

(01:09:26):
So I mean, I can understandhow they were like, oh, you
know, having a kid go play. Yeah, I mean even at seven
not unheard of, right, notunheard of. Like the book that I'm
reading, Clarence Thomas at you don'teven want to know what he was doing
at ten. At ten, hewas slaughtering pigs, he was harvesting.
He was being a complete farmer,like you know. I mean, granted

(01:09:48):
that was in the in the inthe sixties for him, fifties, sixth
season for him, or you know, sixties, but still it's right,
I just like you just yes,but you should take a missing child seriously,
no matter what. Oh for sure, for sure like the FBI literally

(01:10:10):
isn't getting involved the next day assoon as they can get there because it's
a missing child, which is protocol, So like you should take it seriously.
Um. Yeah, So it takesscientists three days to get the broken
glass, and by the time thatthey get it, they had to get
it from the trash bag. Thatif someone put it in the fucking trash.
So not only has some detective touchedit and put it back quote unquote

(01:10:30):
approximately where he found it, nowit was we don't even sucking trash.
Yeah, you didn't take a photo. You didn't take a photo of before,
you didn't take a photo of after, and I guess it's the eighties.
But but again they should have hadsomething. Yeah, they should have
had collected the event. Don't touchit until someone photographs. But that's the
thing. Yeah, you don't letthe don't do anything until it's released,

(01:10:51):
until until the crime scene has beenreleased. That's when you can go ahead
and start fucking. Yeah, andyou shouldn't have touched it. So they
this is who I mean. Obviouslywe know no one went through that window,
but we don't know what else wason it like that that could have
been vibl evidence. That could havebeen fingerprints, There could have been blood,
there could have been something like wedon't know because dumbas there could have

(01:11:12):
been a fiber. But as soonas you pick up the ground. Yeah,
and it's just not great. Sothat you know this is happening on
the outside, and of course willon the inside. David is trying to
go through the motions of appealing andon. He goes through the Court of
Appeals in Illinois and they do overturnhis sentence on October thirtieth of nineteen ninety
one. I was very surprised itwas that quick. Yeah, but he

(01:11:34):
spent like at least a year plustime served eighteen months. Yes, so
he did serve a long time.That is a long time for being in
jail for something that you didn't do. Though, Yes, but considering about
other other people who are on thesame situation, they spend decades before they're
they're exonerated and everything, So youknow, I get yes, a year,

(01:11:56):
a year is too long, aday is too long. There are
people who are in there longer thanyou, you know what, like sucks,
but not the longest um. Andso in their verdict they criticized the
original judge who said that he hadaired by not dismissing the charges against David
as he did with Cynthia. Bythe time his charges were dismissed again,
he had spent eighteen years or eighteenmonths excuse me, um, in jail,

(01:12:18):
in prison, and a lot ofarticles will also mention that he was
exonerated because as a stipulation of histhe whole appolet you know, ruling,
they said that he could not betried again. They're like, you're not
your your charges are gone. Youdidn't you're not convicted anymore. You're exonerated
and you were not going on retrialfor this um. I think the judge

(01:12:40):
also now the judge, the prosecutordid try to block this and all this
stuff, but it was obviously denied. And so, like we talked about
and Solves Mysteries did do an episodeon this case at season five, episode
ten, and there were witnesses whocame forward to contradict an alibi for another
suspect in this case. So thatwas Jacqueline's uncle, her father's brother,

(01:13:03):
Timothy guests. It is worth notingthat he is a paranoid schizophrenic. The
night of the murder. He said, oh, he's that too, okay.
He said that he was at adiner, and two waitresses did corroborate
that. However, when the journalistscome to talk to him, so as

(01:13:23):
David protests, and there's another onewho did was also very involved in this,
they did end up recanting their givinghim the alibi because they lied,
and they admitted that they lied becausethey thought that duallabies did it. So
they're just like, yeah, hewas here, because I think they did
it. The journalists also spoke toGuests to police never talked to and they

(01:13:45):
also said that guest was not there. There's another waitress, Margaret Murphy,
who lived at the same apartments asEverett man as the same apartments that Jacqueline's
body was found, and she didsay that Timothy Guests had on several occasions
driven her home, so there isa connection to him to this area,
this apartment complex that her body hadbeen found. This woman had never been

(01:14:09):
questioned by the police, and I'massuming she had talked to the prosecutor,
because even the prosecutor was like,don't talk to the defense, like we
know this, don't which is like, I'm pretty sure of violation because you
have to share everything you know withthe defense. So that's a big red
flog that you did not tell themthis news, right, Like, that's
huge David protests and his colleague.They did do an interview with Timothy Guess

(01:14:31):
and they did learn more about him. He had started hearing voices about sixteen,
which is very unfortunately common with youngboys who developed schizophrenia or have to
deal with it. And he hadbeen hearing voices. He was in and
out of psychiatric hospitals. He tookvarious drugs. He said that he was
quote guided by a spirit that didgive him psychic powers, and one of

(01:14:56):
these powers included knowing the exact layout of the duallaby home, which as
far as we know, he hadnever been there. He had never been
to the Duallabi's home, really hadno reason to um. And they did
ask him, how do you getto Jacklin's room, and he said that
he walked past Davy's room and quotethat was his spirit talking, not me.
I didn't say anything or something likethat, and I don't know.

(01:15:20):
Um. The journalist had asked himwhy the waitresses and the guests said that
he hadn't been at the restaurant andhe said, quote, maybe it was
because I was invisible. I lovethat part, which is he wholeheartedly believes
it too. He's like, it'sprobably because they didn't see me. Yeah,
I was invisible, like you can'tsee me. Yeah. So,

(01:15:41):
um, he was another prime suspect. Even if you did try him,
you can't now they would they would, They would not be able to deem
him. He can't know he wasHe was not trial and I'm not Yeah.
No, he couldn't have standard stoodtrial and he wouldn't have known that
what he was doing was wrong.No, he he doesn't even have any

(01:16:01):
recollection of it. So like thatwith substantial evidence, it's just the documented
his dealings with mental illness. There'sno way that then you can't say Tying
knew what he was doing, no, because he didn't. If he did
this, he did not, whichI don't know how he would have done
it, because how did you getthrough the front door? How did did
you? How did you get throughthe front door if it was anyone get

(01:16:26):
through the front door at that pointtoo, that's another thing, Like I
mean, even if they did comein, and that's where it's like,
you don't even know what was goingon, because, like you, you
don't know how they got in becauseglasses on the outside. And I'm sorry,
but even physics is going to tellyou your phone. Yeah, I

(01:16:47):
don't get that. I still,like, I know, I don't believe
that, and I don't I mean, I do believe if they did get
in the house, it was throughthat window, because how else would they
open the door. Well, allthe other window were unlocked too at the
in the bottom area, and sothe only thing I can think of,
Okay, and this is me goingcrazy, they go in through another window.

(01:17:14):
They don't that police didn't even thinkabout looking at. And then they
they accidentally broke that window for whateverreason, and then they got her and
went out the front door. Ithink that broken window was just honestly,
I know, coincidence are few andfar between. I think that broken window
was. I think it's a redherring. And if that, if that

(01:17:34):
window was not broken, I don'tthink they would have because the gus were
like untouched and everything else uncoutched.So I kind of think that that was
already pre broken too. That theydid. If anybody did come in,
they came in through a window thatwas unlocked because all the other ones were
unlocked. And I do think that, um, the Anna that was living

(01:17:56):
down there, I think that,uh, and this is again my theory.
Yeah, um, I think thatwas already pre broken. Yes,
and then um, that's how theyactually could have even been that week too,
because they're still glass on the becauseyou don't know, and they didn't
even notice that that window was broken, just because they were on high alert
and they came back home after tryingto search from her looking around the house

(01:18:17):
and then they saw that broken window. Um, I honestly, I do.
I honestly think that they came inthrough actually an open window that was
like close to that, but becausethat one was broken, that was the
main focus. Yeah, oh yeah, because they're like, well, broken
window, that's point. Eventually wesaw that in the John bon A case
too, like they came through thisand it's like, no, they didn't.

(01:18:38):
There's no there's no possible way forit to also, it didn't fine
dust and cobwebs in the last twentyfour hours, there's no way that I
mean. And even for them toquote unquote like put their leg over you
would have to know the setup ofthat home. That too, yes,
and that would have to be afamily friend or a relative. I think

(01:18:58):
it could have been someone close tothe family. Yeah, like for sure.
And that's the only way that thatwould be plausible in my mind,
if they went through that window.And then yeah, if they go through
that window, right yeah, andyou know, not step on the towel
rack. I mean I could evengive you that if your foot is like
dangling around you're like trying to findpurchase or something that maybe you'd bump it
and they're like, oh fuck,don't touch that. But like, but
this is two in the morning,Yeah, in the morning where it's pitch

(01:19:23):
black, and you know, Imean it usually towns like if and again
don't know if it's small or not. Small towns don't have a lot of
lighting, right, yes, Imean I know this is a maybe an
apartment complex. Ish it's like asuburb even if that you I mean,
we don't know the lighting structure inthe eighties exactly. Yeah, there's a

(01:19:45):
lot we don't know. To evensay, I mean they only saw that
one car because the lights shined,do you know what I mean? Like,
are they only noticed that one carwas there because they turned on the
headlights, And who's also to saythat that's even who dumb Jaqueline's body because
we don't know when she was isdumped, we don't know when how long
she was like we don't know,we don't know when she died, Like
you know, judging off of this, it's likely she died very quickly,

(01:20:09):
which is also goes with statistics likewithin the first twenty four hours of a
child abduction, that child is usuallyshe had to be murdered quickly after she
was abrupted, just because the decomposition, because they said five and a half
days, yes, and that wouldbe a slow decomposition, and hers was
pretty sped up pretty quickly. Yeah, just because of all of the maggots

(01:20:30):
and everything that were present in herher upper body and head. Right.
Yeah, so there's the yeah shehad, Yeah, there's and I I
just don't know what this case,which is kind of was like what's frustrating
is you don't have anything because likethere is not even one person that could
be a suspect that you can probablybe like that's it. Like with Zodiac,

(01:20:53):
we kind of have an idea.But John Banay, it was like
this, like but you yet stillhave an inkling. You know, Yeah,
that's one thing. You have noone, No, you have nothing
to go off of, like eventhe person living in that basement, right,

(01:21:14):
nothing exactly, Like you can't reallyit could have very well just been
someone broken and just you know,really left no trace besides that open door,
right, and that's it and thatship that was just purely coincidental,
and David just was like, oh, doors open, like, which I
also I would have checked the wholehouse, Like if my door was open,
like my front door, Yeah,that's weird to me personally not to

(01:21:38):
then check and think that suspects well, especially if you're you're making this door
literally so nobody can get out.So that would mean that either you Anna
or Cynthia had opened that door presumablyor an adult in that house. Oh
so let's say that, like ifthis was a random abduction or someone that

(01:21:59):
didn't live in that house, itwas someone tall enough to open it,
and they would have to know thatlock is there, because that's one,
you're in the middle of the night. Two you're obviously going to go out
the front door and like unlock itnormally because this is two feet above the
door. So I mean that's noteven really eye level for a tall person
above. So they would have topull the door open and see it doesn't

(01:22:23):
open. That's going to make anoise. Correct, that's going to make
it, not wake her up.Okay. Also they would have to open
that Ope nope, nope, can'tso they unlock it and then they leave
the door open. Yeah, whichthey would appear in my mind that they're

(01:22:44):
in a rush. Correct, Well, you want to be now that you
have the child, You want toget out of there as quickly as you
can, right, you don't wantto stay there, so you just but
but then again you go to openthe door, you unlock everything, open
the door, pull it. Youcan't and they're like, oh shit,
and then you're like, how toget out of here? Do the lock?
And mind you, this person hasto be holding a seven year old.

(01:23:09):
Now, I will give you thekids can sleep through a lot because
I used to vacuum in front ofmy kids. Yeah, but as soon
as I would hit the hit thevacuum on their bed, boom. Yeah.
So I it's yeah, like exactly, But also that could that could
attest to why he tried to getout so quickly, because if he did

(01:23:30):
do if this person did do thatwhere they opened the door and they're like,
oh shit, I need to doon this screw lock or whatever they
called it, the sliding latch thingy, and then so that obviously it makes
a noise, he undoes it andthen they go out, and if that
did wake her, now he can'treally close the door because you would probably
try to slam it because you're justlike, I need to get the fuck
out of here, you know,quick motion. I'm gonna slam the door,

(01:23:51):
which would then wake up the parents, which then they could probably catch
you really quickly. So he wasjust like, I'm going to close it
like this and then they just leave, you know, him and Jacqueline or
this person in Jacqueline. So itwould make sense. Like I don't think
the family did it. There's notenough to prove something that they did or
why they would on Johnny or amdam like mom right this one? Honestly,

(01:24:15):
I don't think the parents did it. I know, I don't.
I don't think that the stepdad didit, and I don't think that the
mom. No, I yeah,there's nothing. Brother was too little to
even comprehend what was going on exactly, and I don't think Anna did it.
She doesn't. There there was again, why would you what did she
do to you? Exactly? Likeshe there's nothing that's a weird situation,

(01:24:39):
whatsoever that went on. I mean, the only one is the six schizophrenic
bipolar guy that it could have been, and even then he wouldn't be comparable
or you know, how do youknow that, like he just maybe didn't
break into the house and saw it, or how do we know that Jacqueline
didn't invite him or like or notJacqueline you know? Since Yeah, like

(01:25:00):
we don't know that. We don'tknow anything. So who's to say,
like even if he did do it, like which again, all you have
is him saying the layout of thehouse. Which did he watch news coverage?
What news coverage was shown of thehouse? Like did they show that
floor planned? Did? What wastheir public record that he read? I

(01:25:23):
don't think that he would do butstill, but if it's out there,
it's plausible that he could read it. You can't rule it out right,
You can't rule that out at youdon't know who his friendships are. He
could have had a detective on thecase. Yeah, well he's friends with
a person who did it, aswell, yeah, it could be so
many different different scenarios. So letus know what you think and you can

(01:25:45):
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(01:26:08):
and bullshite. And don't forget tolock your door if you're gonna tappen, happen

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