55. Die DNA Die

December 22, 1995 Marilyn Rynn was walking home from a Christmas party and never returned home. Her case would lead to the first murder trial in Ireland that DNA testing was used to secure a conviction.

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Episode Transcript

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Hello, everybody, welcome back toBlonde's Booze and Bullshite. I'm Courtney and
I'm Davin, and we welcome youback. Today. We're drinking a cider
which for reasons we'll explain it alittle bit. And I haven't had angry
orchard in such a long time.That's nice, not sponsored, that's refreshing.
Go get some. Oh yeah,I love these. I can only
have a certain amount of them becausethen they're a little bit I'm too sweet.

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Yes, it's like apple juice us. We used to mix this with
Fireball. They're all angry angry.When was I like angry apples or angry
balls or I don't remember a fullpie, but it was. Yeah,
and that's also dangerous. Why wouldyou do that? Did you hate yourself?

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Yeah? Yeah, yeah, meand Fireball had a very very weird
relationship. Um, it would justmake me not remember anything. Yeah,
fireballs in touch, which always callsfor a good time from the next day,
when people were like, do youwant to know what you did?

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Here's the video, here's the photo. I know, yeah, no,
thank you. Can you look overyour Snapchat and you're like, wow,
why do I have friends? Whydo I do this. Yeah, that's
when you you know, you gointo the normal. I'm never drinking again.
I can every time you have ahangover, you're calling people, You're
like, did I piss you off? Yeah? Are we still friends?

(01:44):
I feel still friends? I feelbad about something, a dirty bitch?
Was it endearing or was it?How did I say it? How did
I say it? How did Ilook? What did my face look like?
I know it's resting bitch face?But we didn't have a little glean,
a little glimmer in my eye?I was there an edge to it
that was like not good? Yeah, I mean what I need all the

(02:08):
context clothes you can give me.And again, are we friends? Yeah,
that's the main question. Are wefriends still? Well? For anyone
listening, we did not make recordingthree weeks in a row. We skipped.
It's like we can't get it inyet. It's not happening, and
with the holidays coming up, itprobably won't happen for a little bit at
all. No, usually it's aDecember break. So yes, we have

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to which we still have to plan. We have no plans for that yet,
but we should. I have anidea. I'll pitch to you later.
Based off today, so we'll taketoday as a tester. Um,
but how are your weeks? Twoweeks We saw each other two weeks ago,
so good. I was, um. So my daughter was sick.
That's why we didn't record last weekwhere it was borderline. Didn't know.

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She comes in my room at likefive am. She's like, I can't
breathe. And I was like,oh great, and I was like,
okay, well, I'll like gotake a hot bath. Maybe it's your
allergies. Yeah, they've been bad. Yeah, so you know, just
go take a hot bath. Maybethe steam will help. Yeah. You
know, um, as as anyHispanic tradition, you'll get the vix.

(03:15):
You'll be fine. I used fixedall the time. Vix is the it's
like coconut oil. Yeah, puton your chest like rabbit around her nose.
Yeah. Fix everything, fix yourcredit, make sure man, don't
treat anywhere. There is so manypossibilities this thing can do. So I
told her to, you know,go do that. And then she woke
up and she was like, mom, I'm still not feeling good. And

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then I was like, oh,like stay in the room and she's like
no, I'm like, this isnot the time to have a power or
trip and then I realize I'm like, you're fine. Oh, and she
didn't want to stay in her roomanymore after after like the end of the
day. I think she just Ithink it was more um, just like

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allergies. It could have been asinus infection. Yeah, that shit's gnarly.
Yeah, I think it was justthat's it was just something like that,
because then she was fine and almostlike smell this and she was like,
that smells horrible. I'm like,no, Corona, wearing the clear,
thank you? Clear? You canyou you have a sense of smell,
You're fine. Yeah. Yeah.My one of my best friends she

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recently came down with it and ohno, yeah. She was like I
can't smell anything and I can barelytaste anything. And I'm like, damn,
that really sucks. I'm like,but you know what I thought would
be great for like a diet.You know, if you had to eat
all the food that you really don'tlike just to be healthy. That you
know, that's perfect, but alsotoo, you're not going to eat the

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food you want too because you wantto taste it. Like I'm not gonna
make this really bomb pasta if Ican't fucking taste it chocolate, like I
might as well, just who careswhat I eat? I probably won't even
eat anything because I'm sick. Likethere's like soup and that's it. I
would eat so much healthy stuff,I probably go vegan or at least vegetarian.
Well speak like vegan stuff is actuallypretty good now, like plant based

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stuff, it's not bad. Yeah, you're not going to convince me that
a whole bunch of process shit isgood for you. No, not like
process. Like, there's a lotof alternatives you can look for that are
healthier than like, like I seea lot of the plant base like um
stuff, and I'm not doubting anybodywho eats it. My best friend does
sheets it all the time. ButI'm just like it's still process and it

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has a sense to like raise yourcholesterol, Like you wouldn't freaking believe.
Well, there's also those stories thatpeople who go from being vegan to not
and then they just gain so muchweight or like it's just not Yeah it's
for the body. Yeah, it'sa whole thing. Yeah, I mean,
no matter what, the only wayI can ever become vegan or vegetarian
would probably be through coronavirus, likefor this week. Well, black bean

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tacos are very bomb. I lovemaking those. They're so yummy. I
make them all the time now withlike a nice guacamole. It's guac or
it's avocado and cilantro and limanhellopennio.A sauce you make and dip it in
and it's really good. My favor. Sauce is a bitch to make,
but it's worth it. Avocados arenot the funnest to works, are so

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messing. Yeah, well then youhave to be like the blender sometimes doesn't
work. I'm like, it's goingto take me twenty minutes just to get
this in there, like a yeah, that stone thing I do have the
motor and pesto. You are sosmart. I don't know why I haven't
used that. That would make somuch easier, especially for individual sizes.
That's true. Yeah, you don'thave to do everything. That was my
issue. I was making homemade pestoone time, and like it wasn't for

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some reason the recipe that I didn'tdidn't give me enough to work it with,
Like it wasn't a lot, andso like the blenders weren't hitting it
and that was like, oh,yeah, okay, so you need like
a bullet like I need like asmaller food processor. So it's like Christmas
idea, I like a smaller foodprocessor, plea. So I did see
that they had like the magic bulleton sale for like twenty bucks. Really

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of years Walmart, I did somuch Black Friday shopping. I am scared
to look at my credit card.Oh my god, my credit card is
pretty. But because I'm using myDiscover card, I'm using all my cash
back bonus, so yes, Iknow. I was like, okay,
everything for Amazon and that I'm doing. IM gonna use my Discover card so
I get double the cash back.And then it's yeah, so that's like

(07:23):
the one Goodmart dot Com, Amazonand Perfect where you get all the five
percent. And that's exactly what I'vebeen doing. I've only been shopping while
there's a couple of things that I'vegotten for my girls, but that's not
on um those three, but that'swhere I'm I'm going because I'm like,

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we're going to use this all.Yeah. It was funny the other day
Laureally text me, she was like, so, how many books did you
buy on Black Friday? That's noneof her business. I was like,
listen for myself, only two andthey were ebooks, so she should probably
take that tone. I was like, who do you think you are right
now to question me? She waslike, oh, I'm proud of you,
and I was like thanks, andwe're talking about more about books because

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we okay, So you know howtwo weeks ago I was telling you I
was starting a fantasy series right,yes, literally that whole week, which
is also the week I did mycase notes. So if my notes suck
is because I didn't want to doanything else but read this fucking series like
this. Woke up was like God, I need to read it, had
dreams about it, and I'm likeI need Oh my god. I was
a full obsessed, so I cannotthat. I love when you. So

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I haven't finished my Clarence Thomas becauseI've I've jumped into like I've just been
actually doing other type of reading,um through other stuff, but I m
that one when I was reading it. M I would wake up like that
and like, let me read mybook. Yes I have thoughts. I'm
like, okay, but how arethey going to save the King? Like

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what's going to happen? Like allthis stuff, and I'm like texting Loreally
and we Loreally finished before I did, and she started after I Didally,
I know, I was like,god damn Lordly, like I know I
read fast, but shit, goodfor her. She must have loved it.
Yeah, she was like, Idon't like you read all the time,
but when I read, and Iget addicted and I'm just like in
and I was like, these booksare no joke, Like the second and

(09:13):
third ones are six hundred pages,and we like we finished them all in
a week. Serious, yes,holy man, I am reading another six
hundred page book because like right now, I'm like, give me all the
fantasy, Like that's just all Iwant to read right now. Yeah,
that's true. It's just like beenperfect to like get my mind off thing.
And I'm like, this is thisis where I want to be.
And so I started this other seriesbecause the author that we read, so

(09:35):
we read a Quartothrone of Roses.That's the series we read, and this
author has one book that comes it'sone book that's the start of the series,
but the second one doesn't cannot tellnext year. And I'm like,
okay, not gonna waste my timeon that. Just yet not waste my
time, but I don't want toread it, and then like be dying
for that second one. And thenshe has another one that's eight books,
and I was going to start thatone. My friend was like, no,

(09:56):
no, no, do this one. And so I'm reading one that's
six hundred page and I'm almost done. And I started last night. I
started yesterday. Yes, I amjust oh god, it's so good,
so so good. I yeah,it's really hard to find a fantasy book
that's not that long. Now,it's really hard. Well, I feel
like there has to that. Youhave to set up the scene. You

(10:20):
have to say yes, there's somuch that goes into it. You have
to make sure that the scene islike followable in a sense, so that
way you can carry on with it. I don't know fantasy book, you
know me? You know me?I like the like the real deals.
Right. Yeah, So well we'regoing to take a break and then when
we come back, we have ainteresting case and pathway we may take for

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future episodes. So stay tuned.All right, welcome back. We are
traveling abroad. We are there,boozy blondes abroad. I always like the
south of that. Yes, likewe We made it as a joke.
I think at one point where wewould like go to places and like douce
in locations, but it wasn't goingto be abroad. It was just going
to be an Arizona. Yeah,two hours that way, but I had

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it could add of last episode wewere talking about how we wanted to travel
and where we wanted to go whenwe both wanted to go to Ireland,
and I was like, well,what if we start covering other cases?
You know, we haven't done toomany outside of the US, so I
was like, let's do it forhard to find them, like I mean,
and especially the one we chose.The one we chose today is very
very short, very short. It'sjust that's where intro so long. Yeah,

(11:26):
I was like, we really needmokethis shit because our cases, Like,
if it lasts for forty minutes,I'd be very surprised. But yeah,
so we are heading to Ireland.I'm an asshole and didn't look up
the pronunciation of her last name,so you may need to get me some
input on that. But on Decembertwenty two, in nineteen ninety five,
it's in Blanchardstown, Dublin, fortyone year old Maryland, would you say

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Ryan or Wren? I thought itwas Ryan okay, and as as it
okay, so as I would justlet's say Ryan okay, and it's ry.
And so we're just assos who didn'tlook up the pronunciation. But um
yes. So she's on her wayhome from an office Christmas party and it

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was being held at Shealing Hotel.She left about like two in the morning,
and so she hails a taxi.She takes it to the city center
and and so from there she goesto Eddie Rockets and it's a diner.
So she's going there to meet upwith some work friends or just maybe friends
in general. And the diner waslocated on O'Connell Street. And then she
spends about an hour there at threein the morning, she then goes to

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get on the Nightlink bus to headhome. Now a lot of reports make
this big deal that she took thebus instead of a taxi home like to
her front door. She took thebus where she would have to walk home,
you know, like that she hadenough pocket money to take a taxi.
And it's like one victim blaming too, Like it was also, you
know, Christmas time, so she'snot gonna want to take wait for a
taxi at the stands in okay.And so I don't know if you know

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this, but when you're drunk,you're fucking invincible. Okay, when you've
had some at too, like andif she knows this place, like obviously
might be easier for her to justdo this, then, like you said,
wait for a taxi. You know, she wants to get home.
She's probably a little intoxicated, she'sfeeling good. She's like, oh,

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I'm having fun, I'm gonna ridemy best. Because she's a young woman,
she's well, she's also ticking thisroute all the time. This is
not like she's not like I'm gonnawalk by this alley like even then it's
not whatever, But she's not likeshe knew this route. This was a
very familiar route to her. Shedid it so she didn't have to wait
another hour for a fucking taxi orlonger. Have you ever been drunk?

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Now, and like trying to getan uber at three in the morning,
you know how fucking heart it is, So like it's the same thing.
Yeah, you're like, Okay,where do I need to fucking walk to
to get a goddamn uber right now, right, and we're gonna assume this
is in nineteen ninety five at threeam. Yeah, we're going to assume
a taxi is available. And that'sthe other thing too, is like how

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you know it's a suburb, soI don't know, you know, she's
in city center. So for that, I would assume a taxis available in
city center because that's just where everyoneis. It's where all the shops are
everything. It's like the hub ofwherever you're at, no matter what.
So I would maybe assume also fortaurists, like I know she's in a
suburb of Dublin, but it's stillcity center, so I would assume taxis
would be available, maybe not asmany, but like again that's another thing,

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we don't know. We don't knowhow many were there, how often.
It's just she didn't do it.So she takes the bus and at
her stop, she gets off andshe walks down a path and some tunnels
which residents call quote the tunnels,and that would take her from the bus
stop to her house. And severalwitnesses would later come forward to say that
they had seen her walking home atthis time and she was going this way,

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so there's a lot of people tocorroborate where she was going, and
later they would find out again thatthis was a very frequent path for her
and it was by the Tolka River. However, she never makes at home
now. Marilyn worked as a civilservant, and less than three days before
she had disappeared, she had celebratedher forty first birthday, so she's barely

(15:09):
forty one. Just had a greattime, and she had like two days.
I think she had two different jobsfrom what it sounds like, or
maybe she was working for two differentI don't know, but she had She
was an executive officer at the Departmentof the Environment and also worked at Central
Statistics Office. So like homegirls aredoing her ship like she is just she's
like an executive officer. She's beena badass, like she's just out there.

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She was described by she's an independentwoman doing her own ship, like
what do you She was described byher friends and co workers as being like
feisty, witty, independent, Andthere was this really shitty quote by one
of her quote unquote friends who waslike, yeah, she was like so
it was one of those words thatthey either described her as independent witty or

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fierce or whatever or feisty, andwho thought she could take care of herself.
And I was like, what,oh, really, we don't have
the deceased. She could take careof herself, well, i'd like you
to fend off a random attacker ina park, Like what do you mean?
That's just to me, that's justsuch bad taste. I can I

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can go both ways with that.That But she thought she could take care
of herself, thought she could.There's a lot I think I could,
And yes, I don't know,it's just I mean, trust me,
it's something I just hope I wouldnever say if I had a front of
this position where it's like, wellshe thought she could maybe maybe you did.
Yeah, she thought she could.I mean I don't know. That
one has like tone and inflection writtenall over it, like if you could

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be like though she thought she couldtake care of herself, dumb bitch,
No she can't, you know,or she'd be like, oh, you
know, like she was super braf. She thought she could take care of
herself, like but I definitely seewhat you're saying, like it's it's just
it's very it's worded in poor taste. I will yeah, that's what.
And it's like again like, neverbeen in that position where I've lost someone

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that way, expect, Like,no, it's such a way like this,
So I have no idea how Iwould act. And this is just
me judging in hindsight, but it'sjust yeah, yeah, words are a
big deal for me, and howyou word something is very important. Right,
So it's like I read that andI was like, oh, bro,
like that's just gross. Um.But we have to understand too that

(17:19):
we as Americans are highly emotional creatures. We take everything very fucking literal,
Like you could be like, how'syour day? Because what kind of tone
is that? You bitch? Yeah, but we did that. But like
Ireland, UK, yes, allof those places, it could be more
c and that's just fine. Likethe UK, it shows no emotion usually,

(17:41):
like their emotions are like you,if you can get somebody, it's
very dry, very dry, likeI mean coddling and like love and all
that kind of stuff. So thatcould just be that that shit we for
all we know, that could bevery dear. That was just normal,
and her family is like, yeah, but I'm totally with you, Like,
as an American, I totally undermaybe that's us. But but in

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other cultures, like directness is directnessis politeness? Oh with that, yes,
And if you've ever encountered it,you're like, oh, you're rude,
and it's like and then I've hadto reflect, like I've had a
manager like that, and I'm like, oh that she's awkward, Like she
doesn't what is this? This isawkward And I'm like, no, which

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is different? And I'm just beinga jackass because like she's not like being
nice to me or whatever, youknow, Like I'm like, that's just
different. Are more emotionally privileged weare. We're like, oh my god,
we're so sensitive, but we're alsovery angry and strong and you're gonna
coddle us, but don't coddle us. And for the past fiftew years of

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everybody's feelings has been taken in consideration. So now we're just flaying. How
dare you not think about how Iwould feel when you did this? Yeah,
it's just this whole complex And againthat could just be me. But
like miss Ryan's probably you're like sittingin here with us a little and like
she meant it fine, ladies,calm, I know she like her feel
like you know is Karen's can youwant We are probably like Karen's, God,

(19:10):
damn it. Well, we're callingit out. We're saying we don't
know shit, like we don't know, we don't know. But it's just
personally to me. If if I, like, if I was a spirit
and I heard my friends say that, I'd be like, oh, bitch
wants to get to pull the geisttonight, Like I'd fight her, like
there's no way it's done, puttingit in a bad word for her.
Yeah, Like hmm. Anyways,back to Maryland, so she was very

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very close to her family, tothe point she lived right around the corner
from her brother and his family.She was extremely close with her sister in
law and her house was a secondhome to you know, their three kids.
Her. Um, I don't knowthat like nephew's nieces. I don't
really know anything about you know,details, but they were always there.
Just impress you found that. I'moh, I had to go deep because

(19:53):
again, like they're all that.Um, all the notes on this case
are just very short. This happened, this happened, this happened, and
that's it. So yeah, Ihad to I found a really great article
which I'll link where it was justa lot about her mom talking about her
and more about her backstory, becauseyou have one it's mostly about her,
as it should be because she's unfortunatelythe victim. And then there's one where

(20:15):
it's just all about the perpetrator,right, and I'm just like, I
don't care about you, like goaway. I get I kind of get
the fascination with this person, butthen I don't. And we're gonna get
into it in a little bit.It's like it's like the argument we have
all the time all the time wherewe're like, okay, there is a
victim here that we need to acknowledgea little bit more than the psychopath all

(20:37):
the time, all the time exactly, like like I mean, we want
to know why and how so thatway possibly we can catch something because you
know, it's because you want tosleep at night. That's what it is
like, because you but if youcan identify that person, you know what
I mean, Oh, that's onething. Yeah, okay, yes I
caught them, blah blah blah.But then it's also a thing of you.

(20:57):
Just you want it sugar coded toyou. You don't want to hear
details, You just want you know, Okay, well this happened to her
because she didn't take a taxi.She locked home and yes, and it's
like, no one you can havea psychopath on your hands and you need
to acknowledge this this one too.Take warning side seriously, like mental health

(21:18):
is important well being no matter what, like you should catch these signs.
Not to blame anyone because this person, Like we really don't know much about
this person's you know, upbringing andwhat was he was they were they suffering
with anything, Like we don't know, and I get it, but we're
also like that is like it's thesame thing with Bundy. Okay, I'm

(21:40):
sorry, but it is where it'slike, oh, Bundy was this law
student, Like how could he killall these women? And it's like,
okay, well name a woman whodid he kill? You can't unless you've
actually researched it. And I've researchedit and it would still take me a
couple of minutes to remember a namebesides Carol Draange was she's still a victim
and she should be remembered. Butlike in terms of like when were murder?
Yeah, that's what I like.The actual woman like Jane's odd,

(22:04):
like smamish, you know, likeyou don't because it's like, oh,
this person over here. And that'swhat I loved about reading The Nothing Man,
which is perfect because it was inIreland. This author is and she
was like, the only remarkable thingabout this, these people, these murderers,
is that the people that they killed, the people that they killed,
are the remarkable ones. Like they'renothing, truly, And it's like,

(22:26):
yeah, like I get that's whatwe all got into it because of serial
killers. I did for sure,but like I don't fucking care. Well,
it's the same story too, Butas important as it is on why
and how they did it is alsothe person that they picked, because sometimes
they don't just pick them randomly,like Richard Ramirez where he would just walk

(22:49):
in some because like that house lookgood, right Israel Keys where it's like
okay, they don't have um dogs, they don't have an alarm, they
don't or there's some of them that, yeah, they do make sure like
it's not as random as the nextyou know, like there's some of them
that will you know, constantly watchand stock yeah, and they know them

(23:14):
exactly and that yeah, so okay, so Marilyn is missing and again it's
right around Christmas, so of courseyou can assume that she has these plans
with her family, as anyone wouldaround this time. So her mother starts
getting worried, as was the restof the family when they hadn't heard from
her, And so her mother callsher, gets no answer, and she

(23:37):
called that Friday and Saturday to tryand confirm their holiday plans. They were
supposed to go to Mass in themorning and then I'm presuming like having dinner
together and just hanging out at herhouse maybe. And so when Christmas Day
comes, and it was on thatMonday in nineteen ninety five, they still
hadn't heard from her. Her motherlater would say that she was sure Marilyn
would have called her, and likeif she couldn't have made made it,

(24:00):
she would have called her one percent. But the family tried to think positively.
Her mother put her dinner at theevent to keep it warm, and
at this point like it's concerning,but they don't have cause to believe something's
happened to her technically in the senseof like, like, I know you
have that feeling, and I wouldbe the same way a I'm like floing
fucking wrong, but like there's nolike proof just yet. Well, she's

(24:22):
not a teenager, correct, she'snot even in her twenties. She's a
grown us, a forty one yearold woman, Yeah, who might have
gone with a gentleman or might havegone out with a friend. You know,
like it's not it's like, youknow, uncommon with them to do
that, but not out of theordinary. There's nothing. Yeah, but

(24:48):
as I don't know, I thinkthis, but as like a mother,
you kind of almost have like aoh for sure, I'm sure, like
you almost have a sense of likesomething's wrong. You just know. It's
a thing of trusting your gut andif you feel like something's wrong, no
matter if it's like well oh maybeshe did that, maybe they did this,
Like it's not gonna make anything betterbecause you still don't know, like

(25:08):
you're just trying to make yourself feelbetter at that time to be like,
Okay, it's not that it's thisand it's yeah, sell soothing, yes,
exactly what I mean. You haveto do. It just sucks,
and so you know, they tryto contact her friends, but again it's
the holiday, so it was verydifficult to get in contact with people.
It's also nineteen ninety five and noteveryone had a cell phone. I'm assuming,
like, yeah, nobody had acell phone, not in Ireland.

(25:33):
I have no I didn't think tolook that up, so I have no
idea. So I mean I'm assumingthat I mean cell phones. I mean
we had car phones maybe here andI think my aunt had a car phone
and nine she did. I rememberthat from like episode four, and like
maybe we had some car phones,but those were like or those briefcase phones

(25:57):
I want to say not or maybethe Zach Morris phones we had, but
I mean that's not a caller id. I don't and I don't know if
when Dublin got there or Ireland hadtheir tele of communications for cell phones.
Yeah, so at this point they'reprobably calling house phones of people that they

(26:17):
know and no one's home. They'reall probably all on holiday doing we have
having a great time. You knowyou using that reference because I love that
reference. Ever I listened to Yes, I like, we're going on holiday.
I'm like, that's how I justwant to say on my vacation,
Like that just sounds so fun.I hate the word vacation. I'm gonna
go on summer holiday Like that justsounds so nice. Like. I remember
the first time I heard that,I was like holiday, yeah, June,

(26:44):
And then I realized that's their termfor vacation, vacation. It's like
I'm on holiday And I was like, they're like, what holidays in August?
I'm confused. Whatever, I'm onholiday too then, and I was
like, oh, that's just anotherword, the word for vacation. I
love it, love it, loveit. I will exclusively only refer to
my vacations as holidays from now on. Anyway, thinks so read that wagon.

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So the next day, so youknow, they're calling her friends,
they're worried, but there's really nothing. But the next day, her brother
Stephen does go to the GUARDA toreport Marylyn missing. So you know,
they try to walk through the usualmotions. I'm not sure in terms of
I couldn't find any information in termsof what search parties did they do?
How did they really search for her? I didn't find a lot of details
in that regard. I did.I did find that when they did like

(27:36):
go on the search for her,like it only took fifteen minutes, they
found her within fifteen correct, Soyeah, like but like, so they
did they report her missing? Um? Which is like Christmas Day, the
twenty six, so I think itwas like the twenty six or twenty seventh.
They report her missing and so ofcourse the guarda are then, you
know, searching for her, butit takes them two weeks to find her

(27:56):
body. So for two weeks they'retrying to search for her, presumably you
know, they're hoping alive, butunfortunately doesn't happen, because on January sixth
of nineteen ninety six, they dofind her in brambles in the undergrowth of
the Tolka River. She was naked, in her purse and clothes were left
nearby, and this was incredibly closeto her house. She was not far

(28:18):
at all, and there was alot of upset about this was because it
took them two weeks and she wasnot far from her home. So they're
like, why did it take youso long to find her? Like you
said, fifteen minutes from her homeor ten minutes from her home, Like
what is going on? Why didn'tshe If you're not expecting it, you're
not looking for it. I meanI can understand that, like she's underbrush.

(28:41):
Um, if you're not if you'renot looking for the needle, you're
not going to find it in thehaste, but you shouldn't be looking for
the needle because you're looking for her. No, and I totally agree you're
looking that one. But I butthey didn't think that she was murdered.
They were trying to be on that, you know, because this was not
so not calm in I mean,because they literally put this as like the

(29:03):
first one for like the DNA one. Yeah, this is one that shocked
Dublin like they do kind of writefor rightson, we'll talk about too.
They definitely put that energy on it. I'll say, um so, I
mean, I mean, if shewas found an hour away from her home,
then I get it. But shewas like, they're fucking drunk a

(29:29):
lot more times than they're probably sober. Like that's what I love about them.
I really hope that Garda are notdrunk and like their job. But
I don't know. I have highhopes that you're not, but don't right
after Oh my god. But it'sjust you know, she was so well,
there's countries that like for your lunchbreak, you go, you go
have some wine and stuff and yougo, we have lunch of a pub.

(29:52):
Oh no, no, I knowI'm just like that's fine, like
have some wine, but like youdon't get RiPP rolling drunk as like okay,
now I gotta go start for Maryland. You're like you kidding? How
many people probably work with us thatget ripped or and drunk? Oh?
And I'm sure And don't get mewrong, I've thought about it because I'm
like, I'm working at home.No one can tell if I have wine
at seven and I have an hourleft on my shift. But for moral
reasons myself, I will not doit. I know. I'm always the

(30:17):
one that that is the moment whereI will have my biggest fuck up,
Like I have to give no fucksabout my job to do that, like
or just work at a bar.I mean, there's that never done it.
Didn't want to do it for alittle bit, but I don't want
to. I don't want to holdyou up out your hair. Corney would
treat me like I've heard daughter ontoday, No, she really would.

(30:41):
Um. So you know the policenow have to um, you face this,
you know, criticism and they're like, okay, but the reason it
took so long was because these peopleare contacting us with sightings that lead nowhere.
So we're following these sightings and they'renot going anywhere. So and I
don't know how many you know,police or GUARDA officers were at this station

(31:06):
to where like, is it whatwe would consider a small town, like
you know, you have a shareoff's office and there's like three people there
or the town like, I don'tknow how many people are working. So
obviously a great argument, yes,But and again it's the holidays, right,
so this is the worst time wesaw with John Bana Ramsey. It's
the worst time for a murder tohappen because people are off. People are

(31:30):
just you know, for two monthsout of the year, we're in just
this like mode of pausing and wantingto sleep and reflect and like because I'm
gonna spend time with my family andcook and read or do whatever I like
to do. So everyone is justin this like very slow pacing. They're
on holiday there, you know,so you know, one, it's just

(31:51):
that mindset we all have. Butagain that means if they already say that
they already have a low off,like they don't have that many workers GUARDA
officers and okay, then maybe they'regoing to be even more shorthanded than they
normally would be or you know,so it's just unfortunately, like it's a
terrible time for something to happen.And I'm also basically off of the US.
I don't know if it's the samein like Ireland or other countries in

(32:15):
terms of like the holidays being verysparse for like police wise, Yeah,
I have I don't know, soin like in my like, it's unfortunate,
unfortunately, like it's unfortunately this happened, and it took them two weeks
to find her. I think it'snormal though, in terms of just everything
that they're dealing with between holiday vacationand all these leads, and like you

(32:36):
just unfortunately you took so longing tofind her, and we'll find out it
didn't It wouldn't matter how fast theyfound her. They could have found her
the next day and it wouldn't havedone anything. It would have given you
know, it would have given solaceto her family just to know what happened
to her. But and that's huge, don't get me wrong, but they
wouldn't have saved her life. Unfortunately. Her mother, Christine, you know,

(32:57):
she wasn't sleeping obviously, she wasby the phone and just she was
having a miserable time, but alsotrying to like be supportive for her family
like that, especially like her grandkidswho didn't know what was going on.
Like she's dealing with her daughter beingmissing and then like celebrating the holidays with
her kids. So it's like thisvery weird thing. So Elevator music.

(33:24):
So Steven and his wife Katherine,they do try to develop their own leads
and their care. They created sixthousand pamphlets to hand out and it had
Marilan's photo on it. So I'massuming that this was done before her body
was found. Again, I couldn'tfind a time frame into when this was
done, but I'm assuming if you'repassing up pamphlets with her face on it,
you're trying to find her. Soand you know, friends are helping

(33:45):
distribute them, and they were lefteverywhere they could and so there they did
that. But and while you know, maybe we can criticize the guardiff for
their initial search not fighting for twoweeks, they were quick as hell in
the murder investigation. They were onit and and that's all we can really
hope for. So they took overtwo thousand statements, three hundred and fifty

(34:09):
four blood samples. One hundred ofthose were from men who happened to have
a history of sexual assault, whichobviously is a very big focus. Most
of the samples then had to besent over to Belfast because in Dublin at
the time they didn't have facilities totest them. So they're doing all of
this for about four months, fivemonths, and then in July of nineteen

(34:34):
eighty six, they finally get amatch. We're gonna passe here for a
break and then I'll tell you aboutit. Okay. So because this case
was so short, I thought thatbefore we talked about who this match too,
that we should talk about DNA alittle bit, because we've kind of
brushed around it, like we haven'thad a lot of research on it,
but like you know, we've heardabout it, so it really So testing
really started in nineteen eighty five,and so at that time, you know,

(34:57):
we're about nine years out when ourcase finally happened. In DNA happened,
it's very new still. Nine yearsis when this has been being used.
So once it hit the scene,you know, skin, hair,
blood and other things we know noware very big find at a crime scene,
like they're now focusing on they're justnow doing that um and in nineteen
eighty seven. So this Tommy LeeAndrews Andres, who fucking cares. He

(35:22):
was a piece of trash. Um. He was the first man in the
US to be convicted of right becauseof DNA. UM But the first time
it was used in a murder trialwas what is it? It's in US,
yes, but in terms of theworld level, I don't know.
So it's nineteen eighty six was thefirst time it was used. Um OJ

(35:43):
yes, And I was going totalk about OJ two in a second.
Um So don Ashworth don't fit?Yeah, quick, God, I can't
um so j Don Ashworth. Shewas fifteen years old and she was living
in Leicestershire, England, and shehad been raped and she was murdered in
July of nineteen eighty six, andafter doing a typical DNA quote dragnet,

(36:07):
they were able to connect her deathto Colin Pitchfork and then he was convicted.
So Colin Pitchfork in terms of DNAis very big in terms of like
scientific circles, because that was thefirst time ever that DNA had been used.
But in terms of OJ, youknow, we've talked about that a
lot with DNA because one of thebig concerns if you listen to the prosecutors
talk about that case, was thiswas the first time that they had to

(36:30):
put some scientists on the stand andexplain DNA, which is a very complex
thing that no one fucking knew about. It's very new to these scientists,
and so you know this like Susansitting on the fucking jurybed, She's not
going to know what it is.So now they have to find someone that
excuse me, At that point,it is like a conspiracy theory, Yes,

(36:51):
like how what do you mean?And you can tell who I am
based off my blood or face?You match that my DNA from that DNA,
but you may we didn't use bloodor you use sweat or I mean,
at this point it is blood,but you know, but so you're
trying to tell me. Then youcan finally see this. A lot of

(37:13):
people are going to be like,yeah, so you had to work with
that. You had to find someonewho could explain it well enough to one
be convincing and just you know,make those comparisons like I can find out
who you are because of that putin Layman's terms, but also for the
interesting understanding can also be interesting,like they had to be captivating in some
way, whether it's how they spokeor something. They had to be able

(37:35):
to get their attention, because yeah, yeah, if you have somebody is
just like, well this milocular structureas goes to this atom. Time,
you know, we match it upwith the links of this, you be
like, what do you mean?What is this? So they're kind of
understand so much like they have toexplain what DNA Okay, how do you
find it? Okay? How doesmy skin differ from your skin yours?

(37:59):
How does that saliva? Yeah?How how you can you can take it
from my saliva and you can takeit from my blood? How those are
two different types of And it soundslike you know to me, like you
know, for Trucker, I've alwaysgrew like I know a DNA is like
we all know, but back then, like they didn't grow up with that.
They didn't know that to where likeand also we just accept it now.
And also he got super cocky withit too. Oh yeah, like

(38:22):
he gave over oh yeah, threethree hundred and fifty four the guys this
guy, yes, oh we're gonnatalk about that shit because he had some
interesting Google searches. Yeah, andhe also had some like interesting balls.
I'm gonna say it, I don'tcare. He has some interesting balls to
be like, he gave like twothousand statements, just fucking giving them anything

(38:45):
they want. He was like,well, it's been an hour, the
DNA is dead. What I literally, I don't know how. I don't
know if you know this, butif you freeze meat, it preserves.
What the fuck do you think abouthe's gonna do? And where you put
it? Where are you fucking putit? Yeah? Come on, But

(39:07):
like, like it frustrated me whenI read that part. When I read
that part, I was like,he was like, don't know what you
talk about? Its three hundred andfifty four. It's like you can't find
it. I can't even imagine thatis more or No, that is almost

(39:32):
like a swab of DNA almost aday for a year. Yeah, he
did so much like with two weekson break for holiday, for their holiday,
you know, they went to Santrapezor whatever, but just live in
life. Yeah, but like that'swhat gets me. I'm like, so
I didn't I knew he gave aDNA sample. I didn't know it was
that many I knew. They didother tests later, but the DNA ended

(39:54):
up matching thirty one year old DavidLawler. And he was actually one of
the first people question during the murderinvestigation because guess what. During the house
to house search, he they findout he lived very close to Maryland.
He lived somewhere in that neighborhood.He did admit that he had been in
the area that night of her disappearance, and so they do that. They

(40:15):
come back and they get a bloodsample from him in February of nineteen ninety
six, which he does give willinglybecause again he thought DNA would have quote
died already his words, not ours. He thought DNA would have died.
He apparently, Oh no, no, And that is the verbatim. Yes
thought, yes, died like it'sa living organism, like you don't it's

(40:37):
a it's not a microorganism on you, it's just your dead skin cells like
that. I don't know what totell you, sir. And he apparently,
prior to giving that sample again,he did do some research about DNA,
like how long does it last?Like blah blah blah, damash shit.
He was, you know, doingso he's in Ireland again, so
this ends up being the first casein Ireland that has or maybe it's either

(41:00):
Island overall or just Dublin where DNAis used in a murder investigation and murder
trial to convict him. So thatbut also the fascination with who him was.
They really paint him as someone thatyou would never think to be a
murderer. And it goes back tojust we think that we can like spot
this behavior from grown adults and like, oh, Year a psycho. Bath

(41:22):
Year was like even I would loveto be able to do that, and
I probably couldn't. I mean,I mean, I think everybody's a psychopath
to somebody have sent Okay, sure, um out of that you got a
penis your psycho fuck you Courtney's words. Um, but I did, like
we we assume me put it ona shirt, put on my head stuff.

(41:45):
I want my epitaph to read youare a psychopath if you have a
dick m okay um. But it'sjust you know, we we think we
can spot it in these people likeoh, I would never that would never
happen to me because I wouldn't knowthat that was a murderer. Okay,
So if somebody ever says I wouldnever or if that was me, I

(42:06):
like, I feel always that islike okay, then life is going to
be like I'm going to prove yourown Oh that's like karma gonna be like
huh you thought and the universe waslike that exactly. That's why you don't
put that shit out there, soyou don't verbalize that ever. Ever.
Would I see people do that,They're like if it was me, and
I was like, oh my god, I can't I guess what it fucking
wasn't you? Okay, that wasyou as an opinion, and I don't

(42:30):
need your fucking opinion, and youropinion is relevant to me. Now if
you said, in my situation,how I handled it, that's when I'll
listen. Well, yeah, becausethat means you have some sort of experience
with whatever about to talk about thatwas me or how I would handle it.
I don't give And that's a bigthing that we all do without even

(42:51):
using those words, like how manytimes have I sat here and be like,
well the police should have known this, and like how is it like
we have hindsight? We have nowwe have all the details away an not
in this situation like I wasn't attacked, like, I don't know what I
would think, Like how like andpeople and you're and anytime you're having a
from a past tense experience and you'retalking about it now, the emotion has

(43:14):
been taking out, right, sothere is no emotion Like people operate on
emotion, oh yeah, and thendeal with it logically afterwards where they did
it right or wrong? So yeah, I just uh, I can't hear
where Yeah, it's no, butit is like but oh no, no,

(43:34):
I'm sorry, um so so yeah, when people say that, it
just drives me crazy because I waslike, all right, listen, your
logical mind against my emotional state.Yeah, no, it doesn't because you're
thinking you're taking okay, rational thoughtin a moment that you're not being rational
because you can either be rational oremotional, but you will never be both.

(43:54):
No, you can't. It's you'reone after the fact, but you're
not both at the same time ever, Like you know, again, it
kind of goes back to like shethought she could take care of myself.
We think we could take care ofourselves until her in that moment and you
maybe you freeze, maybe you dothis, like we can sit here and
be like, well, if myhouse is broken into, I know I'm
gonna get out. You know,we talked about how we all have escape

(44:15):
routes from our houses. We're gonnajump out the window. But if you're
frozen in fear exactly, and it'sokay, but he's gonna come in my
house, I'm going to shoot them. And then they come in your house
and you're like you fucking freeze freebecause you have to shoot someone. You
have to shoot like one. Thatis, unless you're trained like police or
military. That is not a naturalthing even then, and maybe, yes,

(44:37):
it's so hard, I'm sure,I mean unless you have done it
right, yeah, and experience theaftermath of what you're coping with that,
yeah, and yeah, you wouldnever know how you just don't know through
you know. Yeah, that's whyso many people have PTSD. H m
hmmm, because yeah, I know, you're like, fuck this, this

(44:59):
like it's just so much because yougo over the different scenarios on how you
could have handled the situation better becausethe outcome was shit, oh yeah,
I just did good. It wasI just didn't walk in that door.
Then I would never be if Ihad, like now, correct, if
I had stopped to get the maillike I wanted to. If I had
stayed a little bit longer or calledthe taxi, if she would have called
it, it doesn't fucking matter.Those don't mean shit now, they don't

(45:22):
mean anything. Those ifs should onlyand it in these cases, it should
only apply to the perpetrator. Itshould if he had not crossed her path,
nothing would have happened. Not ohwell, maybe she should have taken
a taxi. Why, because sheknew she was gonna get fucking murdered out
watching home. What if she calleda taxi, she called a taxi and
he never showed up exactly. Whatif she was out there waiting until five

(45:43):
in the morning or four in themore. What if she got the taxi
and that taxi was creepy as fuck? Exactly. There's so many other things,
like it sucks that it happened.But if she felt safe for walking
right then she did getting into acar, correct, And you know she
didn't want to wait. Maybe shewas a little she had been drinking or
something, and she was just like, I'm just gonna walk home because what
could happen? Anyways, back toDavid Lawler, So he who was a

(46:07):
telephone tech. He was married,he had a son at the time of
the murder and or the trial.His wife was also pregnant with her their
second child, and knew nothing ofwhat he had done. So another one
thing that piqued their interest was thathe had no criminal record at all,
had a same a family in achildhood like there was no reports of violence

(46:30):
that could be found. I willmake the argument because he did. His
cousin was a serial sex offender,very famous. I think his name was
Larry something, Larry Murphy or something, I don't remember, but his cousin
also is very prolific as well.So I don't know if that's just coincidence
or if something did happen, butthere is that in terms of like sexual

(46:51):
predilection. It just seems like tothem, at the age of thirty one,
he snapped, So they did dothey get that first DNA test,
They do additional DNA test and itcame back positive. So they arrest him.
When August six, isn't that yourbirthday? Correct? August sex happy
birthday? David Bahler was arrested.So and also he doesn't he confesses happy

(47:15):
eleventh birthday. We arrested this murderer. So I have to give him the
fact that he confessed. Yeah,he just sat. I was like,
they probably because he was like,wait, I just I just gave over
two thousand, two thousand statements anda year's worth of work of a DNA,
so I should probably go ahead andjust say like at this point,

(47:37):
but yeah. So what we wouldlater find out through his testimony is that
you know, Maryland's walking home andDavid, who had also come from a
Christmas party, crosses her path.Now David's Christmas party had been at the
Exchequer. Wow, I'm saying thatso wrong. Exchequer Hotel in Dublin City

(47:57):
Center. Please correct my pronunciation.If we have any Ireland listeners, don't
know. If we do, I'dbe surprised. Do you have somebody that
I know from Ireland? I shouldyou should have hit them up because I
did not do enough research. Youcan blame books. So he had been
drinking a lot at this party,like they were saying, he's like twelve
hours straight. He was just fuckingdrinking, so he was inebriated as a

(48:21):
fuck. So he had just walkedhome from city Center and he crosses Maryland's
path as he was trying to getto Edward Lawn in again. They're in
Blanchardstown and he walked because, guestswhat, he couldn't get a taxi,
So fuck you and your theories.David had never met Maryland before, they
didn't know each other. He justsees her, comes up behind behind her,

(48:45):
rapes her, and then strangles her. That's just what he decides to
do the moment he sees her.And this all happens at about five in
the morning, according to him,And he just said that it was a
spontaneous impulse and it's worth no thathe is strangling her with his bare hands.
Now, if you're not morbid asfuck like me and Courtney like,

(49:06):
it takes a lot of fucking strengthto do that. It is very intimate.
It is not done in like twominutes. It is takes very long.
Now. What I did find out, which was interesting, was that
you always hear, if you researchthis shit like us, that it can
take anywhere between two and five minutesfor someone to die from strangulation or maybe

(49:27):
lose consciousness and then die. Twoto five minutes is the window we hear.
But that's actually not like definitive.It's not one hundred percent all the
time. It's not really in alot of medical journals. Apparently, at
least at the time, it wasn'twhen this was happening. Well, it
takes after five minutes, then yourbrain did, right, because you don't
have oxygen to the brain, butyou would probably pass out within the two

(49:50):
minutes. So it did like ifthey strangled you for two minutes and then
you could be revived, but you'reon that borderline of being brain did.
I think that's why they give thattwo to five minute gap to like for
full full, full blown deceased.Yeah, and maybe the scientists probably worded
it better than I am, butthere was something where it was like,

(50:12):
well, like, yeah, youhear it, but it's not really in
our medical journals, right, Andmaybe it was just for the time and
you know, because it was allnew, or maybe they were they were
trying to argue something different. Butyeah, So he's arrested and he goes
through bail hearing and he's released onbail providing that he lives with his parents
in balting Glass, co Wicklow,and he would also have to quote sign

(50:34):
on at the local Guardis station,which I'm assuming would be the equivalent of
like probation in America, where hejust has to check in so that they
make sure he's still in the areato then you know, go through trials.
So in court he does admit tohaving a homicidal and sexual impulse,
which is what led him to killMaryland. And I think that's one of
the reasons why people are very fascinatedwith him more specifically, was because he

(50:57):
just randomly seemed to snap and wereally don't know, you know, because
a lot of countries, especially likefor example, Canada, have very strict
rules about what they'll release about peoplewho are convicted of crimes, especially you
know, miners, so like minerscan commit and that, yeah, they
don't release names. They release fuckingnothing, like it's crazy. Um,

(51:21):
we're very liberal on what we whatwe release, and the information we actually
have is like way more than anyother country actually releases. That's why I
think it's so hard to find stuffwhen we go international, because we were
but it's actually because that's part ofour laws is public record, so that
way you can find out who thesepeople are that you are either hiring or

(51:45):
dealing with or whatever. And Iget that. I just feel like you
know, and in cases like Okay, well you're wrongfully convicted, then it's
like okay, well now you're likeyou're kind of fucked. You know,
there's all this coverage and I don'tknow, like I get why they do
it. But then also it's like, well maybe we should like not full
and give them immunity, like givethem like a little bit, like I
really released their names who was convictedof this crime. I don't care if

(52:07):
you were sixteen or eighteen or fifteen, like you killed someone, like that's
pretty serious. Oh No, I'mtotally with American policy. I stand with
the US on this one. LikeI feel like I feel like that should
be known because how many repeat defendersdo we have? Our resyddivism rate is
very high. It is super high. I mean, and that also has

(52:28):
to do with the justice system,and that has to do with sentencing.
Is criminal reform all over that criminalreform should be way better. Um.
I actually listened to a couple ofthings that I'll talk to you later on
maybe about criminal reform that I thatI that I saw that I that I

(52:49):
you know, there's just there's justso much, but um keep going so
so that you know, he does, and I think so. And again,
because I was reading these books,I did not go as much into
like their legal system as I kindof wanted to to understand, dude,
how they do it. If youcould have found it, I would have.
Did you try? Okay, Idon't. I try to be surprised.

(53:12):
But and again because I was busy, I didn't. I spent a
good two hours on it, andall I could find so much for their
DNA was when they started using it. And if you wanted to find out
if you're from Ireland like DNA testinglike one, I would like to do
that, but I'm not there yet. I'm trying to find out about this

(53:34):
true crime. She also did atwenty three and me, so I'm waiting
on I can't wait to hear aboutthat. So but I just because it
sounded like, you know, hedid plead guilty and either he like he
did do that and still had ajury, or he didn't. It was
kind of worded interesting, um,but all in all, On January twenty
six of nineteen ninety eight, hedoes again plead guilty to the murder and
he was sentenced to life, whichlike great, but that's kind of it

(53:59):
like I did read as well thatshe maybe told him that she knew him
or like said something to him andthen he strangled her. Like I feel
like that was just him giving anexcuse though of why he fucking killed her
instead of just like raped her andleft her alive. But um, it's
well I've read because she knew him, yeah so, but I read both

(54:21):
like so it came from him thathe said that she knew him and that
way and that's why he strangled her. But then I've also read a lot
that they didn't know each other.So it's just with the wrong place at
the wrong time. Yeah, soI don't happen kind of like, um,
and I can't remember her name andI'm so sorry. I always want
to say Rebecca and it's not it'sthe one that we did um with the

(54:44):
musician in Seattle when we did theoh shit, And I can't remember her
name, thank you, and Idon't want to. I know, I
I don't know why I wanted tosay Rebecca all the time, but listen,
I've been wanting I've been wanting tok that for that case because like
the names, I don't know whyin my head, but there yes,

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Um, I wanted to ask youmore about Larry Murphy. You said he
was a cousin. Yes, sowhat you would if you looked them both
up? Um? So I foundan article where they were classmates. They
weren't related, but they did goto the same secondary school. Yes,
yes, um, and they didn'tnobody said that they were friends. Nobody.

(55:30):
Nobody said that they were friends.They didn't really say that they knew
each other. They didn't really hangout or anything, um at all.
Yeah, no, I would readthey're like, yeah, um, this
way. But they had the samehorrific crimes because he he did almost a
similar thing. I mean, andI'm talking so much similar as in um

(55:53):
that the um Larry, Oh mygod, it's Larry Murphy. Larry.
Yeah, Larry Murphy had about thesame type of you know, expecting a
child at the same time expecting likethey're there. Their lives are very similar,
I mean so similar that almost tothe point where you're like what so

(56:14):
apparently also they had the Ireland theycalled it the Ireland Vanishing Triangle. Yes,
which for some reason, you know, yes, because you texted that
to me because it mentions Maryland.And I was like looking through it,
and they barely mentioned her in asentence because I think of Maryland because of
Larry Murphy and they're like, wells, yeah, that's because they believe that

(56:37):
he was the him and maybe saidaccomplice of other Manum, there was missing
women of eight eight different women,but as soon as they were prisoned,
there was no more missing women.Oh that's creepy, yeah them, but

(56:59):
they't. No, this was morefor Larry WinCE. Larry got caught in
his murder that happened that he did. There was multiple women in the agency
in between. UM, I believeit was like eighteen to forty m same
kind of thing. These women wouldjust vanish similar situations. And then as

(57:20):
soon as he he was a convictedrapist, and as soon as he became
into custody, these uh, disappearancesstopped. So what is interesting is apparently
they're both out o jail now andI did not know that. But again,
yeah, I've read this is likethe second or third time I've read
that their cousins. So we maycover Larry Murphy. I don't know,

(57:44):
but I think it would be funto do more international cases here, you
know, just to kind of likeswitch it up. And do boozy blont
abroad. So let us know whatyou think. This was kind of like
a jumbled episode, but it wasfun. Yeah, And I do want
to say the fact that he islike out now. I did read um
like an article that they like,you know, they have to travel around

(58:06):
different places like um um, ohmy god, what's his name? M
Larry Murphy? The other one DavidTaller, Thank you David. That like
he had to move so many timesbecause people knew what what happened with him,
and like he ended up in likeSpain, um as a two thousand
and one. Oh darn, Iwish i'd know. It had to be

(58:29):
twenty fourteen is when they said hewas about to relieves. Oh no,
no, no, that's what IOh. Oh was that it? Okay?
Then maybe I just read that onewrong, But at one point they
said maybe it was twenty fourteen orsomething. Yeah, that he ended up
in Spain as his final like that'swhere that's where he that's where we know
where he's at from Kara alive andin Spain and Maryland's dead. I really

(58:52):
could care less if people know cometo America, motherfuckerre we do twenty five
to life with no parole, Like, especially for that kind of murder,
he would have gotten life and noparole, life, no parole, especially
the fact that he gave up thatmany DNA sample samples and that many statements.
Oh my god, a prosecuting attorneywould have rapped his asshole. Oh

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yes, and the bubble would havehelped. That was just that's gross.
Um. Yeah, there's no wayhe'd be out if this was in America.
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