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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Deep Dive.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Good to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
Today. We're focusing on a really fascinating case study in
the entertainment world, right Jacquelin Aan Surrey. She's the co
CEO of Pelican Point Media.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And it's not just about her being a successful producer, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Not at all. It looks like she's well engineered this
highly predictable system in Hollywood. Predictable exactly in a field
that's famously you know, unpredictable. So let's unpack this strategy.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, that's really the key thing here. Our mission today
is to try and analyze this well almost proprietary ecosystem
that Jacqueline and her partner Ike Surrey have set up.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
An ecosystem.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, it's like this integrated model. It combines production financing
with very hands on talent management, strategic casting, the whole package.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
So they aren't just pitching projects in the usual.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Way, doesn't seem like it. They're structuring them very specifically,
almost designing them to meet market demand, ah.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
To make sure they get picked up fast. And as
we looked at, they seem to confirm this model works
pretty efficiently.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
They do.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
It's rooted in this blend of artistic instinct knowing what
stories connect, but also with exceptional financial rigor.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That balance seems crucial.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well yeah, because when you see there's stuff getting consistently
picked up by the big guys, Amazon, Netflix, Picture House, MGM, Grindstones,
all of them, you realize, Okay, this isn't just about
getting lucky.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
No way. It feels much more like a strategically engineered pipeline.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Okay, so let's get into Pelican Point Media PPM. What's
the core approach?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, analyzing PPM, the main focus really seems to be
on commercial viability, like intensely focused on.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It, making stuff it sells pretty much.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
For Jacqueline, her view seems to be that production isn't
about just hoping for the best. It's about creating projects
that are built to sell and also built to last. Pragmatic,
very pragmatic, especially in today's crowded market.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Right, So to get that kind of viability, Jacqueline Surrey
seems to wear a lot of hat Oh yeah, the
sources list her as producer, talent manager, casting associate, even influencer,
and that's alongside her own background as an actress. How
does juggling all those roles change the maybe the financing
conversation for.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
PPM, Well, it probably creates instant trust and efficiency. Think
about it. Okay, her own definition of success is pretty
telling here. She apparently shifted from wanting to be cast
herself right the actor's going she wanting to be the
one who casts and produces. She gets the entire risk
profile from finding the right actor to making sure the
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project hits that market sweet spot.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So PPM can put together these packages that minimize the
guesswork for the distributors.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That seems to be the idea less risk for them.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Okay, let's make this concrete to prove this blend of
you know, commercial appeal and star power works. What specific
film examples did the sources mention?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
They showed a pretty deliberate mix actually, Okay. For instance,
so there was the thriller exposed back in twenty sixteen.
They had Keanu Reeves and Anna de Ermers big names.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Then you've got the con is on from twenty eighteen,
another high profile one like a heist movie.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Who's in that?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Uma Thurman, Tim Roth, Alice Eve again serious star power.
They clearly know how to attract that a list talent.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But it wasn't all just big thrillers or heist films, right.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
They balanced it right exactly. They also did Ripped in
twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Ripped, What was.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
That stoner comedy with Russell Peters and Faison.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Love Okay, so a totally different vibe.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Completely, that kind of portfolio diversification. It shows they aren't
just locked into one genre. They seem focused on maximizing
commercial heat, but across different audiences.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Which makes sense. This is where the partnership comes in, right,
It's not.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Just Jacqueline, absolutely, the partnership seems to provide this crucial anchor.
Jacqueline brings the creative instincts, the deep industry network, the art, yeah,
the art, but that drive is stabilized by Ike stories
well entrepreneurial precision. He's co CEO and chairman, and.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
His role is the business engine risk management.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That's how it looks, making sure the whole thing runs efficiently,
keeps the risks in check.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And Ike's background it's not typical Hollywood, is it.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Not at all? He's described as a seasoned entrepreneur, private equity,
venture capital.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Fintech, fintech. Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, and maybe the most illustrative detail about his strategic value,
his current main gig. He's chairman and CEO of Funding Shield.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Funding Shield, what's that.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's a leading fintech firm. They specialize in fraud preventions,
specifically for mortgage transactions. High stakes stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And what's really fascinating or maybe mind boggling is the
scale he operates at. There. Funding Shield has apparently safeguarded
over four trillion dollars in closings.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Wait say that again, four trillion trillion with a t
okay safeguarding four trillion dollars. Yeah, that makes even a
massive feature film budget look like bocket.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Change, doesn't it. It shows this incredible ability to operate
to scale, to navigate really complex financial markets. That's highly
unusual for someone also running a film production company.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's a profound pairing. Then you've got the creative vision,
the heart maybe the higher risk ideas from Jacqueline, and
then the rigorous, maybe lower risk financial modeling, the hustle
champion by.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Ike, balancing vision with viability, heart with hustle. That seems
to be the core mission.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, so we've established this very strategic foundation for their company.
It makes a lot of sense, But The sources also
talked about a really personal origin story, didn't they They did?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
And this is where the story gets really profound, unexpected
even how so well, the business Pelican Point Media, it
was actually founded when Jacqueline was facing this prolonged, really
life threatening medical crisis.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Seriously, so it came out of a personal struggle, not just
a market opportunity exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That seems to be the root.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And wasn't there some thing about Ike's role in that moment?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, it sounds like an extraordinary act of faith Honestly,
while Jacqueline was literally fighting for her life, okay, Ike
invested in starting the production house, essentially making this commitment,
this bet that she would recover and help him run it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Wow. So the sources basically position that survival moment as
the real beginning of Pelican Point Media.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
That's the narrative, the true genesis.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And the details about her health struggles.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
They're intense, they really are, and understanding them is kind
of essential, I think, to understanding her professional drive. The
sources say she survived over forty intubations, seven tracheotomies, forty
forty plus two strokes, cancer, multiple rare diseases, apparently lost
organs in the process. It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
That's almost unbelievable resilience.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And when she says apparently her quote is unless I'm
in a coma, I work, you realize that her professional tenacity,
it's not just ambition, it's fueled by actual physical survival.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That kind of resilience, it must just permeate every decision
they make as a company.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You'd have to think.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So it's like this powerful engine, right, channeling would sound
like immense pain into purpose into efficacy storytelling.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Turning pain into purpose.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, and if you can overcome that level of personal challenge,
building a production company that lasts almost seems like a
secondary challenge in a way.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It absolutely helps explain her whole approach, doesn't it. If
you connect that back to her expertise, it clarifies why
she approaches the industry like a strategist, not just you know,
an artist dreaming things up. She wasn't just parachuted into
an executive role. She has this multi decade background that
informs her knowledge of both sides of the camera. She
knows the nuts and bolts.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Okay, let's trace that path then before PPM, because she
really covered the whole spectrum didn't.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
She absolutely started on stage demanding roles too, like in
limisab Grease, Big Productions, trained properly too, oh yeah, elite
institutions and yu tish the Lee Strasburg Institute, and worked
in front of the camera consistently modeling for brands like
Ray ban Escata, features in Glamour, and acting rules too
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in network dramas like Law and Order Michael Hayes.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So she understood the grind.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Definitely understood the business of being talent, the logistics, the demands,
the perspective of the people being cast.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
But then there's that other layer, the behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Stuff, right, and this is where she seems to have
gained this really unique strategic edge. She worked at Paramount
Pictures Okay, under the legendary producer Robert Evans, the.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Robert Evans Wow, doing what assisting more than that?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Apparently crucially, The sources say she was.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
A ghostwriter ghostwriter for what.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
On some of his films, it seems, and even his
personal book No kidding.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Okay. That is a phenomenal detail. Working that closely shaping
narratives for a major producer, but staying anonymous. It must
have been a masterclass in story structure definitely, and maybe patients.
She credits Evans with teaching her patients.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, she does, And she seems to credit that whole
backstage view with really shaping her professional philosophy.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Did she mention other mentors or lessons.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Learned She did. She highlighted learning modesty from some huge
stars Keanu Reeves, Jack Nicholson, Sophia Vergara.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Interesting modesty from massive stars.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, and Les Strosberg, she says taught her authenticity be me.
It shows she was actively gathering these specific actionable lessons
from every single level of the industry.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Hierarchy, from a listeners down to presumably the crew. Seems
like it, so, okay, let's distill this for our listeners.
Maybe someone wanting to break into a high impact field.
What key skills does Jacqueline series seem to emphasize based
on this really versatile career.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, she focuses on three things, specifically curiosity, humility, and tenacity.
Standard enough maybe okay, but the really crucial insight and
this connects directly back to her experience doing seemingly every job.
Is this The best producers are the best listeners?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
The best listeners?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
She really emphasized this is the need to learn from everyone,
from the grips, the stylists, the assistance, everyone on set.
Why because that comprehensive knowledge, that's what lets the producer
truly understand the entire machine and anticipate problems before they
blow up.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Ah. So it's a strategic advantage shifting from seeing it
as a hierarchy to seeing it as a whole system.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Exactly, holistic understanding as the ultimate competitive edge.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Okay, let's try and bring this all together then.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
The success the series are having with Pelican Point Media,
it's clearly not just you know, creative luck or catching
lighting in a bottle.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
No, definitely not. It feels very deliberate, a discipline strategy.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It marries Jacqueline's deeply informed creative instincts, her passion, that
incredible personal resilience we talked about with Ike's side, right,
with ike scaling expertise and that rigorous focus on financial viability.
They seem to be structuring the business for predictable, repeatable success.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Which is the holy grail in a high risk industry
like entertainment pretty much, and her vision for the company,
it sounds like it goes beyond just you know, box
office numbers or streaming deals.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, she talks about the impact watching clients go from say,
local auditions to global campaigns, or seeing the stories they
tell spark real change.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Acting as a.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
A mirror and a megaphone was the phrase used for
important issues.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
That feels like the ultimate I don't know professionalization of
her own survival story, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It certainly seems to show that maybe the most durable
professional strategies, they often are rooted in channeling that deeply
personal struggle into creative and financial creation.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Okay, so let's leave our listeners with a final thought here,
something provocative to mull over. Given the Jacqueline attribute so
much of her success to lessons learned from the entire
spectrum of the industry, you know, from ghostwriting to acting
to managing talent, and from overcoming just immense personal struggle.
What value does your most difficult past experience hold? How
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could that inform your future professional strategy?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Is the ultimate key to success? Maybe not just tenacity,
but the ability to systematically channel personal survival into professional
creations
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Something to think about, definitely as you decide which roles
you need to take on in your own complex field.