July 17, 2024 • 33 mins
In order to make it to the red carpet, you must know how to manage one. Managing media to conduct interviews in special events such as the Oscars, Grammys, and People’s Choice awards requires special skill, toughness, and patience to establish your niche and place in the world that is social media. Some have become so masterful, that it flourished and catapulted them to stardom and viral notoriety. Today we chat with one such success story, popular celebrities and red-carpet interviewer -Tanisha Laverne Grant. Join us as we talk with Tanisha, Chester PA native and HBCU graduate about the fun she has as well as industry ups and downs. She also shares a life-altering experience that changed the trajectory of her career path and goals.
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Hey, welcome to the book ofthat radio show. I'm doctor Roperd Benson.
As always, before we get sidedstarted, we want to say thank
you j Jehovah, thank you forits son, Jesus Christ. Thank you
for our families, our work,and our ability to do the things we're
able to do. Look at thatradio show where my main man, Eddie
ic G is hanging out as usual. What's up? What's up brother?
How are you feeling. I'm doinggreat, man, doing great. It's
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always good to see you today,man, it is. It's good to
hang out. But we have wehave a special guest today. I'm really
feeling good about it. Yeah,I'm telling you, man, Well,
I like that term I just createdand thought about. It's called journalistic spin.
Journalistic spin. Okay, so whatthat is is people who do what
we do for they're spending on itand make people think about it and you
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know, such the way they door the way they want you to.
But the only further ado I'm goingto say, who is a better person
than to pontificate about this than afellow journalist who is doing great things out
there in la who also happens tobe from the great hometown of Chester,
Pennsylvania. So let's say hello andwelcome to the book of that radio show,
Miss Leverne or excuse me, misstennisho Laverne Grant. How you doing
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tennis? Yes? Yes, thankyou so much for having me. Gentlemen,
it is such a joy to spendmy afternoon with you to talk about
journalism and you know, coming fromChester and anything else that we can get
into. I mean, then thatis wide open. I'm just here to
answer all your questions and to justadd to the tapestry of what it means
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to be a journalist in twenty twentyfour. Wow, well, you know,
since you want to ask her,if don't you give me an it
like seven numbers a wee can winthe power ball or mega millions. You
got that seven numbers. But youknow, let's just it. I love
the number twenty eight, you know, so, hey, that's my birthday
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good number. I was born Julytwenty eighth, nineteen seventy three. So
you got seven to twenty eight nineteenseventy three, you know what I mean?
So yeah, you got it,you got it. I'm writing it
down. You'll get a cut whenI hit that. You got it next,
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John, Yeah, just jump rightnow, three and it's jump right
in. We all got this thingthat we think is the one story that
has tainted or has changed the viewsof America as it were, as part
of a story. Whatever, Tanisha, what is the story out there for
you that did it for you,that made you not only want to get
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into journalism, but that you thinkhad the most impact on society in general.
What made me want to get intojournalism, honestly, is the bombing
of Moves. I was a kid, it was it was nineteen eighty five,
and I remember my teachers talking aboutit like at a nauseum. They
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just couldn't stop talking about it.My late father, who both of you
may know, Thomas Almagran Junior,was also very vested into what was happening
in culture. You know, hemajored in history. And so when that
Move story broke, it just itjust hit me. And I remember thinking
to myself, how can I bea part of this? What career is
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this? You know? And isthere space for me, you know,
to tell story and to be apart of story and to tell it in
a very fair, in a veryaccessible way. But for me, again,
it was moved. I'll just neverforget. There was nothing like it
that my young guys had ever seenin the history of America, you know,
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outside of slavery. You know,for my generation, I had never
seen such an attack on black bodiesat all. And I was like twelve
years old, and I just couldnot stop watching, you know, the
news segments about you know, MayorWilson Good and move and what had happened
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and Ramona Africa, and it wasjust something that is still a very visceral
story for me today, you know. And then another story I think would
have been when the astronauts you know, went to space and you know,
didn't get to come back home.It was another story, you know.
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I remember the Prime Minister of GreatBritain, Margaret Thatcher, coming into office,
and that was just like, ohwow, women can really be in
power. So there were just allthese stories that were happening, you know,
when I was a very young humanand being but still very vested,
you know. So when we talkabout, you know, the Chester Upland
School District, I can't speak foranybody else, but I feel like I
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had very fair, beautiful teachers whowere definitely dialed into what they wanted their
students to know because we were hittingall of the current event marks, all
of them, all of them.So you know, I gave you ask
for one, I gave you,I gave you three. I gave you.
Definitely appreciate it. And that's whatwe do. We pontificate, we
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think, and we pontificate as wethink. But the thing I want to
say about the move things I hadn'tthought about that in years, is that
it really brought light to one ofthe serious problems of police brutality in Philadelphia.
I remember it being on sixty minutesand they actually showed where that guy
was completely attacked and savagely attacked.But now that you now, you've you've
kind of made it to LA.You didn't start your journalistic career in LA.
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How did you start journalism? Andwhere were some of the experiences you
had that kind of I got youto where you are right now. I
know you started some stuff in Philadelphia, correct, Absolutely, my career,
you know, it's it started out. It started element in elementary school.
You know, I attended Franklin,all those book reports, all those having
to you know, get up infront of class and talk about you know
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what you did for summer break,getting up in class and speaking about,
you know what you got for Christmas? And why was it your favorite Christmas
gift? You know, all thoselittle nuggets, you know, those pouring
into's you know. And luckily Ihad teachers who thought like, wow,
you know, this kid is agreat storyteller. She's a she's a great
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writer. She can't stop talking.Instead of punishing for that, right,
you know, how can we youknow, shape her? And I'll never
forget my first grade teacher, MissJuanita Hart, made she rest in peace.
One of her daughters, Mssus Oakley, ended up being my theater teacher,
you know, years down the lineonce I got to high high school.
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But it was Miss Jannita Hart whowould all engage me as if we
were age mates. You know.She would say, tell me about your
weekend, and she would listen tome, you know, as if I
was, you know, this fortyfive year old woman, you know,
sitting and telling her about my weekendand I was six years old, and
she would be like, well,what was your favorite news story? You
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know? And then in two itstarts in the home. My parents were
very they were helicopter parents. Theywere young parents. So for them,
they didn't want to repeat what theywould call you know, this this system
of you know, being a teenageparent. You know, my parents had
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leave one month after they graduated highschool and so that became a big fear
for them. They didn't want thatfor their own children. You know.
So every day my parents were goinghome, you know, you know quote
Malcolm X for me, give mesomething from Garby, who was I to
be wells you know, named thefirst five books of the Bible, like
drop right now, give them tome. I mean that's how it was,
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you know, So getting together withfamily members, you know, my
parents, especially my dad, hewould love to talk about, you know,
what his girls were doing. Youknow, my girls can do this,
My girls can do that, theycan recite Shakespeare. There there already
prep for you know sat. Soit was that immersion that really starts at
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home. And luckily being a partof the Chester up being a part of
the Chester Upland School District, Ihad teachers who undergird at that. You
know, I tell parents all thetime, the teachers add to what the
children are already getting at home.You know, educations start in school.
The education starts at home, youknow. So I was lucky to have
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that environment. I'll never forget beingin the like six or seventh grade,
and I was taking piano lessons inschool, and my mother decided, okay,
well my daughter needs a piano,and she saved her money. I
came home one day and there wasa piano in the middle of the living
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room. And we were living inthe fairground. And my parents will,
we are here, but this willnot define at all, you know,
where you're going. And I startedtaking piano lessons at home, you know.
The music teacher from Pulaski Junior HighSchool would come to my home and
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give me these piano lessons, youknow. And my mother worked, you
know, extra job. She wasworking as a floorist, working at Kitty's
City. But she made sure Ithink my lessons were like forty bucks.
She made sure she had our fortydollars to give me those lessons. And
that's where it started for me,just wanting to have an inquisitive mind just
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about everything, any subject. Nothingwas you know, you know, everything
was on the board, nothing wasoff the board. If I can learn
a little bit about music, youknow, be it Beethoven, bop,
you know, Leah Tine Price,Marion Anderson, be it, you know,
learning about you know, Africa andNigeria and crude oil, like all
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these things were happening like in thehome, you know. I used to
sit up next to my dad whenhe was watching the news and I wanted
to know. I wanted to know. They were like is she is she
eight or like fifty eight? Kidjust wants to know everything. And so
that's where it started. When Iwas in high school, I had the
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opportunity to participate and what was calledthe KYW News Studies Program. I was
in the eleventh grade. I wasworking on the newspaper called The Welcome.
Mister Grimaldi was my advisor and hesaid to me one day, he said,
you're a strong writer. I wantyou to participate in the KYW News
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Studies program. And it was aboutlike three hundred or something applicants. And
I remember thinking like, oh mygod, like I'm never going to get
in three hundred applicants. Was childrencoming from you know, all these what
were some of the big Catholic schools. I can't even think of them,
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but yeah, yeah, like allthese all these other so called better schools,
and I just remember thinking there wasjust no way. I told my
dad. I was just like,I don't think I'm going to get in,
and He's just like, you know, write your best and I'll never
forget getting the news. So,mister Grimaldi, that I got in,
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and it it really set me ona path. I was like, oh
wow, like I can really dothis. You know, I was sixteen
years old and there I was fromaster to k y W news radio every
weekend for three months, and Ihad my little attached head case, my
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little suit on, you know,this blowout and you just couldn't you couldn't
tell me ship. I'm like,I'm doing this and getting a tour through
the news room, you know,seeing Beverly Williams and I'm like, wow,
we got a chance to see herdesk, and doing my first drop,
you know, putting together that firstnews story and hearing my voice come
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over that news system. I'm like, oh my goodness, Like this is
the stuff that things are made of. And so it was my early days
like that foundation, just starting fromelementary school onward. You know, I'll
even go so far back as ifthey just you know, out of the
wound, you know, hold thatthought thought for just a second, Yeah,
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hold the second, yeah, wewe we need to take a quick
break. But just for clarification,the fairgrounds are the projects in Chester.
I used to live there too.But this is doctor Robert Benson with my
main man Eddieg, and we're talkingto Tanisha Grant. She's got a lot
to tell us about journalism and herstory. If you will, we're going
to pick it back up on theother side with Eddig and bring us back
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up and we'll pick it up somemore. We'll be right back. See
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to the Book of Dad Radio Showwith Doctor Robert Benson and me Eddieg.
And today we are delving deep tothe journey of t Nisha Grant, who
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is also from our hometown of Chester. And she's doing big things internationally.
You hear what I said, She'saround the world doing her thing. We're
so proud of her. And youknow, listening to your story, what
I really like is you had alot of people that poured into you.
People saw your talent and your direction, and they helped to make it flourish,
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right like you said, with theteachers, with their family, they
encouraged you, and that's what weneed more of today. A lot of
times you look at I always rememberEddie Murphy telling his story and how he
was a kid. He used todo stand up in front of his family,
and you know, it was afunny family. And a lot of
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times when you see young people,that's who they're going to be. Not
everybody starts out one way it endsup another way. A lot of times
it's ingrained really early, like yousaid, from the womb on what you're
going to be. And we're soglad that the opportunity for you to flourish
and be who you are came tobe. So I have a question about
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being a female journalist, okay,because I used to do what you're doing
now. I used to do thered carpets and those things, And one
thing that frustrated me was the peopleright. A lot of times, it's
a dog eat dog situation. Whenyou're on that red carpet. You got
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to fight for your space to giveyou this little piece of paper. This
is your territory, right, youknow, oh, I know, right
has your name on it, andthis is it and it's elbow, elbow,
right. So tell me your experienceson being a woman and having to
deal with that. There are timeswhere I do have to fight a little
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harder, especially if I am ina position between two men. Yeah,
I really have to. I haveto fight, and I have to earn
my key. I had a situationa few years back. This was the
American Black Film Festival Honors. Itwas twenty twenty, right before the pandemic.
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I'll never forget it. And Iwas on the red carpet, positioned
after Roland Martin. And we allknow in love Roland Martin big career,
you know, was at CNN andnow he's doing his own thing. So
Roland was here with his square,his whole setup. And you know,
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Roland is a consummate professional. He'sgot everything, he's got all the lights,
he's got everything, and I'm likeright behind him, and Roland and
I have been in the same space, you know, for years, and
he's been very supportive of me.We've spoken. I have his home number,
you know, I can call itrolling up right now and say,
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Okay, this is what's happening.Can I get some feedback? And I'm
almost certain he would he would bethat person for me. But in this
particular moment, Jamie Fox was headedto the carpet. He stops for Roland
Martin. They engage in this likeman on man thing. Now, you
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know that you don't have a lotof time on the carpet. It is
not the place for in depth interviews. It just isn't. So Roland and
Jamie are in this like Tonight's showformat, like on this red carpet at
ABFF Honors, and it's the end, like the carpet is ending. The
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carpet is about to close in maybefive minutes at this point. So I
started kind of shadowing their shot,like pushing myself in Roland's shot because I'm
like, you guys, like knockit off, like please stop. There
are several journalists behind you, includingmyself, that would like to get some
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sound from Jamie. So when Jamieand Roland finally finished his interview, Jamie's
like coming out and he's walking likereally fast, like he's gonna walk past
all the other journalists. And Ihung out like right in front of him
and stop him, like he's walkingand I'm like walking backwards with my mic
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like brother, come on, comeon. He was like, what are
you doing? A black ar shot? He was showing a black art like
I'm trying to get a sound bite. I'm trying to get a sound bite.
But anyway, I got a greatinterview, great sound bite from Jamie.
It was amazing. He was beingon that that night, and I
think he had gotten honor like thenight before at the NAACP Awards Image of
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Awards, and so it was justa big weekend. It was a war
season. But I'm like, JamieFox, you're not about to get past
me and roll in and stop it, stop it. And it was so
bad, like the time was cutso tight that all the other younger journalists
that were like behind me, theyhad their mics out, and you know,
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he gets when you got to putyour mic into somebody else's shot,
that's my pet peeve. But Iget it because you need that sound bite.
Your producer, your assignment, theeditor is like, listen, you
got a hit list. You gotto get these five people or don't come
back to studio. That's who yougotta get, you know. So everybody's
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trying to eat. Everybody's trying tomake their producers and their editors happy.
And that was one moment where Idefinitely had to really fight for myself.
And when I posted it in realtime, it went viral. If you
were like, oh man, Jamie, like you trying to walk past,
They're like, Roland, I can'tbelieve you did that. I had a
great moment, and there was therewas another time I'll never forget. I
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was at Urban World Film Festival inNew York City and there was a gentleman
who again was right before me.It was the premiere for a film from
Hidden Empire Film Group starring Jamie FoxxI mean starring Tyrese Gibson. It was
called Black and Blue, I think. And so Tyree's comes to the carpet
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and these two guys again are havingthis big, you know, interview.
I'm like, guys, like,knock it off. So I take the
ball of my mic and I tappedthe gentleman in his back like hey,
like, wrap this up, wrapthis up, wrap this up. And
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you know, after it was overand I got my interview, he was
like, t you are something else. You guys are not gonna come out
here and bully us, Like,You're just not gonna do that, because
if I were a man standing behindyou, you would have not monopolized that
type of time. Especially if itwere a man who's worked that you admired
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and respected, who you considered anally, you would not have done that.
And that's why I tapped you inthe back with my microphone. You
know, I'm glad it was yourmic that you're hitting with and not a
baton, you know, stop withstop it. No, it was just
somebody, come on, man,come on, like we're out of here
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too. Bar YEAHR DENISEA. We'regonna take one more break here and come
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because we have great guests and greattopics as we do right now with Tanisha
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Grant. Well, as we mentionedbefore, we're all from the Chester,
Pennsylvania, which is south of Philadelphia. You know, one of the schools
that kind of has like a pipelinefor many of the students out of Chester
High School is Chaney University. Well, Tanisha's father used to work at Chaney
University. As a matter of fact, when I graduated from high school,
he was actually a counselor for me, processing me in. But I kind
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of ran off and went to college. Not to college, but I went
to the Air Force, which wasa better thing for me to do at
the time. Well, Tanisha isactually a former Miss Cheney. She actually
was a Queen a Cheney. Buther journey didn't initially originally bring her to
Cheney. Something happened to bring herthere eventually, and she's going to be
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kind enough or to let us breakwhat it was that changed her life and
her trajectory academically to change University Tenniato Flora Jews. Talk to us,
Oh thank you. So when Iwas a student at Edinburgh, if you
don't know, Edinburgh was the schoolwhere my father went first too. He
actually transferred from Edinburgh University to Cheneyand he had great experiences at Edinburgh.
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But because he had a young family, you know myself and as the wife
with my mom, he thought itbest for him to come back to the
Philadelphia area. And attend Channeing University. But when I was applying for colleges
and universities, I was reluctant.I had a lot of reluctance about going
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to an HBCU for a myriad ofreasons. And my dad was just like,
Okay, I'm going to respect yourdecision and let's try Edinburgh for you.
So I'm like, okay, great, fantastic. When I was a
student at Edinburgh, and for thoseof you who don't know, Edinburgh is
located right outside of Fury, Pennsylvania, it is freezing. It starts snowing
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in October and it doesn't stop untilApril. Very very cold. And my
family couldn't send me enough thermos,they couldn't send me enough down coats.
I was never warm enough, neverwarm enough. When I was a student
at Edinburgh and I got a reallybad cold that I just couldn't shake.
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And I think it was just youknow the stress of being a new student,
a freshman. I was eighteen yearsold, I was away from home
for the very first time, andyou know, the coursework was definitely challenging,
but I was like getting by,you know, making it through.
I had professors there, White professorswho were making all sorts of assumptions about
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my level of education and my capabilitiesand whether or not I should even be
at Edinburgh University. But I thinkthat's part for the course for any African
Americans student who was attending a predominantlywhite institution. So I was really sick.
I just wasn't getting better. AndI went to the infirmary one evening
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around maybe like five o'clock and fiveo'clock at Edinburgh and ear he's already dark
outside. But I'm like, youknow, I got to get through finals.
Like I was missing class, youknow, I just didn't have the
strength to even like get up andgo to class. And you know,
once you start missing classes, youcan forget about your GPA for the most
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part, you know. So Isaid, I got to get better.
If I can just get through myfinals, maybe I can get some withdraw
passes for a couple of courses thatI was having, you know, some
issues with. And I go tothe infirmary, I check in. I'm
getting seen by a doctor who mishandledme actually, and I was devastated.
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I couldn't really reconcile it. Icouldn't. I felt like I couldn't tell
my family. I definitely felt likeI could not tell my father. He
would have hurnted the university down.And I just remember like laying there,
I had to tie on and itwas the room was frigid. It was
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just really really really really cold,and you know what this doctor was doing
was it was just wildly inappropriate.It was sexual misconduct. And I just
remember my eyes like worldward tears.I got dressed and I just like sped
out of there, and I rememberthere were some other younger women like waiting,
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and I just kind of looked atthem, like get out of here,
you know, And I just wentback to my dorm room and I
probably slept for the rest of thesemester. And my dad got my grades
and I had a GPA that waslike barely two points something, and he
was mortified because he was just like, what's happening with my girl? Like,
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I know my kid, she lovesbooks, she loves to read,
and she's a vested learner. Whathappened to my daughter? And I could
never bring it. I just Icould never tell my father to this day,
he passed not knowing that that iswhat happened, and he said,
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Okay, this GPA is unacceptable.I'm taking you to Cheney and we packed
my stuff up get home to Chester. We were living at Bridgewater Apartments that
next semester. He walked me rightup into the President's office introduced me.
It was like, this is mydaughter, Tanisha, and she goes here.
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Now you know I had and youknow, I'll go on record every
time San Chiana University of Pennsylvania,the oldest hbcuth founded in eighteen thirty seven,
truly saved my life life. Well, yeah, you know, you're
talking to two fathers of daughters,and you're absolutely right. If your father
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and I knew your father, thatuniversity would have been burned down, and
that that the doctor would have beenpart of the rubbish. Okay, well
yeah, and thank you so muchfor sharing that on the book of that
radio show, because, like Isaid, you got two dedicated fathers here
and Father's Day is coming up,so thank you for sharing that with us.
And but along those lines, silenceisn't golden when those types of things
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happen. So why don't you sharewith us a little bit about what's coming
up with you, how we canget a hold to you. And what
can we look for you for whatcan we look for from you in the
future. You can look for mea book. Working on two books simultaneously.
One is about my career in Hollywoodin the entertainment journalism space, and
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the other one is of course comingof age and Chester PA and locking in
with the experience of my dad,particularly once my parents were divorced and separated
and my dad had soul custody ofme and my sister, which is pretty
remarkable for the time. You knowwhat, man in the prime of his
life in the eighties is saying,Okay, I'm going to take I'm going
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to take my girls. So Idefinitely want to tell that story. And
it's not to to undermine you know, women, is not to undermine my
mother at all. It's just abouttelling the story of a father who was
very dedicated and dowed into what hewanted his daughters to be and he had
a very clear vision for that andhe's he's he saw it through. He
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saw it through. And so lookfor my books. Hope I'll be able
to get them out for twenty twentyfive and continued work in the entertainment journalismic
space. You can always find meon my syndicated digital platform Black in America,
which is where I contribute all ofmy content to. I also freelance
and I contribute to New York's pixelevenues. So to all of my New Yorkers
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and people in New Jersey and Connecticut, thank you for watching me on my
morning segments on pixe eleven News.And I also contribute to Good Morning Britain
in London in the UK and alsoArise News in Lagos, Nigeria. So
yeah, Notlli would well Hendy gMan, we can't get out of here
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without some comments from you. Comeon in here, let's go. Oh
man. Well, first of all, I want to say to you that
you are a great example of excellencefor many different situations, for women,
for black women, and from thepeople of Chester. You know, there's
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a saying what Chester makes makes Chester, and you know you hear a lot
of like negative things sometimes, buta lot of times we need to focus
on the positive and then things thatare generated from a rose from the concrete,
you know. So we're proud ofyou. We want to continue to
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support you and everything that you do. And I just wanted to say thanks
for coming on Oh, thank youso much for having me, gentlemen Anysha
with a great, great show,and you definitely are going to be back
on the book of that radio showand we're going to hang out with you,
so we'll cross promote each other andget each other stuff out there as
we always do. But you know, it's kind of hard to close the
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show for me because, like Isaid, I've been asking what you I'm
a little emotional about what would youjust share it with us? Because like
I say, I know exactly whatI have done if I knew about something
like that. So thank you forsharing. But we're going to close out
the show today. Let it out. Actually absolutely held on so long so
when I once I made it public, I knew that all right, I'm
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ready to talk about it. Andit's taken me pretty much, you know,
half my life to do it.Okay, we're great, thank you
for sharing it with us. Okay, all right, but let's close out
the show with a quote. Andthis quote is simply this. It says,
you don't have to be content,but you definitely have to be patient.
Let's book at that radio show anddoctor Robert Benson and we most certainly
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will talk to you next time.Thank you for listening.
Hey, welcome to the book ofthat radio show. I'm doctor Roperd Benson.
As always, before we get sidedstarted, we want to say thank
you j Jehovah, thank you forits son, Jesus Christ. Thank you
for our families, our work,and our ability to do the things we're
able to do. Look at thatradio show where my main man, Eddie
ic G is hanging out as usual. What's up? What's up brother?
How are you feeling. I'm doinggreat, man, doing great. It's
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always good to see you today,man, it is. It's good to
hang out. But we have wehave a special guest today. I'm really
feeling good about it. Yeah,I'm telling you, man, Well,
I like that term I just createdand thought about. It's called journalistic spin.
Journalistic spin. Okay, so whatthat is is people who do what
we do for they're spending on itand make people think about it and you
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know, such the way they door the way they want you to.
But the only further ado I'm goingto say, who is a better person
than to pontificate about this than afellow journalist who is doing great things out
there in la who also happens tobe from the great hometown of Chester,
Pennsylvania. So let's say hello andwelcome to the book of that radio show,
Miss Leverne or excuse me, misstennisho Laverne Grant. How you doing
(01:26):
tennis? Yes? Yes, thankyou so much for having me. Gentlemen,
it is such a joy to spendmy afternoon with you to talk about
journalism and you know, coming fromChester and anything else that we can get
into. I mean, then thatis wide open. I'm just here to
answer all your questions and to justadd to the tapestry of what it means
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to be a journalist in twenty twentyfour. Wow, well, you know,
since you want to ask her,if don't you give me an it
like seven numbers a wee can winthe power ball or mega millions. You
got that seven numbers. But youknow, let's just it. I love
the number twenty eight, you know, so, hey, that's my birthday
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good number. I was born Julytwenty eighth, nineteen seventy three. So
you got seven to twenty eight nineteenseventy three, you know what I mean?
So yeah, you got it,you got it. I'm writing it
down. You'll get a cut whenI hit that. You got it next,
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John, Yeah, just jump rightnow, three and it's jump right
in. We all got this thingthat we think is the one story that
has tainted or has changed the viewsof America as it were, as part
of a story. Whatever, Tanisha, what is the story out there for
you that did it for you,that made you not only want to get
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into journalism, but that you thinkhad the most impact on society in general.
What made me want to get intojournalism, honestly, is the bombing
of Moves. I was a kid, it was it was nineteen eighty five,
and I remember my teachers talking aboutit like at a nauseum. They
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just couldn't stop talking about it.My late father, who both of you
may know, Thomas Almagran Junior,was also very vested into what was happening
in culture. You know, hemajored in history. And so when that
Move story broke, it just itjust hit me. And I remember thinking
to myself, how can I bea part of this? What career is
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this? You know? And isthere space for me, you know,
to tell story and to be apart of story and to tell it in
a very fair, in a veryaccessible way. But for me, again,
it was moved. I'll just neverforget. There was nothing like it
that my young guys had ever seenin the history of America, you know,
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outside of slavery. You know,for my generation, I had never
seen such an attack on black bodiesat all. And I was like twelve
years old, and I just couldnot stop watching, you know, the
news segments about you know, MayorWilson Good and move and what had happened
(04:25):
and Ramona Africa, and it wasjust something that is still a very visceral
story for me today, you know. And then another story I think would
have been when the astronauts you know, went to space and you know,
didn't get to come back home.It was another story, you know.
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I remember the Prime Minister of GreatBritain, Margaret Thatcher, coming into office,
and that was just like, ohwow, women can really be in
power. So there were just allthese stories that were happening, you know,
when I was a very young humanand being but still very vested,
you know. So when we talkabout, you know, the Chester Upland
School District, I can't speak foranybody else, but I feel like I
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had very fair, beautiful teachers whowere definitely dialed into what they wanted their
students to know because we were hittingall of the current event marks, all
of them, all of them.So you know, I gave you ask
for one, I gave you,I gave you three. I gave you.
Definitely appreciate it. And that's whatwe do. We pontificate, we
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think, and we pontificate as wethink. But the thing I want to
say about the move things I hadn'tthought about that in years, is that
it really brought light to one ofthe serious problems of police brutality in Philadelphia.
I remember it being on sixty minutesand they actually showed where that guy
was completely attacked and savagely attacked.But now that you now, you've you've
kind of made it to LA.You didn't start your journalistic career in LA.
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How did you start journalism? Andwhere were some of the experiences you
had that kind of I got youto where you are right now. I
know you started some stuff in Philadelphia, correct, Absolutely, my career,
you know, it's it started out. It started element in elementary school.
You know, I attended Franklin,all those book reports, all those having
to you know, get up infront of class and talk about you know
(06:18):
what you did for summer break,getting up in class and speaking about,
you know what you got for Christmas? And why was it your favorite Christmas
gift? You know, all thoselittle nuggets, you know, those pouring
into's you know. And luckily Ihad teachers who thought like, wow,
you know, this kid is agreat storyteller. She's a she's a great
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writer. She can't stop talking.Instead of punishing for that, right,
you know, how can we youknow, shape her? And I'll never
forget my first grade teacher, MissJuanita Hart, made she rest in peace.
One of her daughters, Mssus Oakley, ended up being my theater teacher,
you know, years down the lineonce I got to high high school.
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But it was Miss Jannita Hart whowould all engage me as if we
were age mates. You know.She would say, tell me about your
weekend, and she would listen tome, you know, as if I
was, you know, this fortyfive year old woman, you know,
sitting and telling her about my weekendand I was six years old, and
she would be like, well,what was your favorite news story? You
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know? And then in two itstarts in the home. My parents were
very they were helicopter parents. Theywere young parents. So for them,
they didn't want to repeat what theywould call you know, this this system
of you know, being a teenageparent. You know, my parents had
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leave one month after they graduated highschool and so that became a big fear
for them. They didn't want thatfor their own children. You know.
So every day my parents were goinghome, you know, you know quote
Malcolm X for me, give mesomething from Garby, who was I to
be wells you know, named thefirst five books of the Bible, like
drop right now, give them tome. I mean that's how it was,
(08:09):
you know, So getting together withfamily members, you know, my
parents, especially my dad, hewould love to talk about, you know,
what his girls were doing. Youknow, my girls can do this,
My girls can do that, theycan recite Shakespeare. There there already
prep for you know sat. Soit was that immersion that really starts at
(08:30):
home. And luckily being a partof the Chester up being a part of
the Chester Upland School District, Ihad teachers who undergird at that. You
know, I tell parents all thetime, the teachers add to what the
children are already getting at home.You know, educations start in school.
The education starts at home, youknow. So I was lucky to have
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that environment. I'll never forget beingin the like six or seventh grade,
and I was taking piano lessons inschool, and my mother decided, okay,
well my daughter needs a piano,and she saved her money. I
came home one day and there wasa piano in the middle of the living
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room. And we were living inthe fairground. And my parents will,
we are here, but this willnot define at all, you know,
where you're going. And I startedtaking piano lessons at home, you know.
The music teacher from Pulaski Junior HighSchool would come to my home and
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give me these piano lessons, youknow. And my mother worked, you
know, extra job. She wasworking as a floorist, working at Kitty's
City. But she made sure Ithink my lessons were like forty bucks.
She made sure she had our fortydollars to give me those lessons. And
that's where it started for me,just wanting to have an inquisitive mind just
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about everything, any subject. Nothingwas you know, you know, everything
was on the board, nothing wasoff the board. If I can learn
a little bit about music, youknow, be it Beethoven, bop,
you know, Leah Tine Price,Marion Anderson, be it, you know,
learning about you know, Africa andNigeria and crude oil, like all
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these things were happening like in thehome, you know. I used to
sit up next to my dad whenhe was watching the news and I wanted
to know. I wanted to know. They were like is she is she
eight or like fifty eight? Kidjust wants to know everything. And so
that's where it started. When Iwas in high school, I had the
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opportunity to participate and what was calledthe KYW News Studies Program. I was
in the eleventh grade. I wasworking on the newspaper called The Welcome.
Mister Grimaldi was my advisor and hesaid to me one day, he said,
you're a strong writer. I wantyou to participate in the KYW News
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Studies program. And it was aboutlike three hundred or something applicants. And
I remember thinking like, oh mygod, like I'm never going to get
in three hundred applicants. Was childrencoming from you know, all these what
were some of the big Catholic schools. I can't even think of them,
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but yeah, yeah, like allthese all these other so called better schools,
and I just remember thinking there wasjust no way. I told my
dad. I was just like,I don't think I'm going to get in,
and He's just like, you know, write your best and I'll never
forget getting the news. So,mister Grimaldi, that I got in,
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and it it really set me ona path. I was like, oh
wow, like I can really dothis. You know, I was sixteen
years old and there I was fromaster to k y W news radio every
weekend for three months, and Ihad my little attached head case, my
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little suit on, you know,this blowout and you just couldn't you couldn't
tell me ship. I'm like,I'm doing this and getting a tour through
the news room, you know,seeing Beverly Williams and I'm like, wow,
we got a chance to see herdesk, and doing my first drop,
you know, putting together that firstnews story and hearing my voice come
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over that news system. I'm like, oh my goodness, Like this is
the stuff that things are made of. And so it was my early days
like that foundation, just starting fromelementary school onward. You know, I'll
even go so far back as ifthey just you know, out of the
wound, you know, hold thatthought thought for just a second, Yeah,
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hold the second, yeah, wewe we need to take a quick
break. But just for clarification,the fairgrounds are the projects in Chester.
I used to live there too.But this is doctor Robert Benson with my
main man Eddieg, and we're talkingto Tanisha Grant. She's got a lot
to tell us about journalism and herstory. If you will, we're going
to pick it back up on theother side with Eddig and bring us back
(13:15):
up and we'll pick it up somemore. We'll be right back. See
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And today we are delving deep tothe journey of t Nisha Grant, who
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is also from our hometown of Chester. And she's doing big things internationally.
You hear what I said, She'saround the world doing her thing. We're
so proud of her. And youknow, listening to your story, what
I really like is you had alot of people that poured into you.
People saw your talent and your direction, and they helped to make it flourish,
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right like you said, with theteachers, with their family, they
encouraged you, and that's what weneed more of today. A lot of
times you look at I always rememberEddie Murphy telling his story and how he
was a kid. He used todo stand up in front of his family,
and you know, it was afunny family. And a lot of
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times when you see young people,that's who they're going to be. Not
everybody starts out one way it endsup another way. A lot of times
it's ingrained really early, like yousaid, from the womb on what you're
going to be. And we're soglad that the opportunity for you to flourish
and be who you are came tobe. So I have a question about
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being a female journalist, okay,because I used to do what you're doing
now. I used to do thered carpets and those things, And one
thing that frustrated me was the peopleright. A lot of times, it's
a dog eat dog situation. Whenyou're on that red carpet. You got
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to fight for your space to giveyou this little piece of paper. This
is your territory, right, youknow, oh, I know, right
has your name on it, andthis is it and it's elbow, elbow,
right. So tell me your experienceson being a woman and having to
deal with that. There are timeswhere I do have to fight a little
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harder, especially if I am ina position between two men. Yeah,
I really have to. I haveto fight, and I have to earn
my key. I had a situationa few years back. This was the
American Black Film Festival Honors. Itwas twenty twenty, right before the pandemic.
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I'll never forget it. And Iwas on the red carpet, positioned
after Roland Martin. And we allknow in love Roland Martin big career,
you know, was at CNN andnow he's doing his own thing. So
Roland was here with his square,his whole setup. And you know,
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Roland is a consummate professional. He'sgot everything, he's got all the lights,
he's got everything, and I'm likeright behind him, and Roland and
I have been in the same space, you know, for years, and
he's been very supportive of me.We've spoken. I have his home number,
you know, I can call itrolling up right now and say,
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Okay, this is what's happening.Can I get some feedback? And I'm
almost certain he would he would bethat person for me. But in this
particular moment, Jamie Fox was headedto the carpet. He stops for Roland
Martin. They engage in this likeman on man thing. Now, you
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know that you don't have a lotof time on the carpet. It is
not the place for in depth interviews. It just isn't. So Roland and
Jamie are in this like Tonight's showformat, like on this red carpet at
ABFF Honors, and it's the end, like the carpet is ending. The
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carpet is about to close in maybefive minutes at this point. So I
started kind of shadowing their shot,like pushing myself in Roland's shot because I'm
like, you guys, like knockit off, like please stop. There
are several journalists behind you, includingmyself, that would like to get some
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sound from Jamie. So when Jamieand Roland finally finished his interview, Jamie's
like coming out and he's walking likereally fast, like he's gonna walk past
all the other journalists. And Ihung out like right in front of him
and stop him, like he's walkingand I'm like walking backwards with my mic
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like brother, come on, comeon. He was like, what are
you doing? A black ar shot? He was showing a black art like
I'm trying to get a sound bite. I'm trying to get a sound bite.
But anyway, I got a greatinterview, great sound bite from Jamie.
It was amazing. He was beingon that that night, and I
think he had gotten honor like thenight before at the NAACP Awards Image of
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Awards, and so it was justa big weekend. It was a war
season. But I'm like, JamieFox, you're not about to get past
me and roll in and stop it, stop it. And it was so
bad, like the time was cutso tight that all the other younger journalists
that were like behind me, theyhad their mics out, and you know,
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he gets when you got to putyour mic into somebody else's shot,
that's my pet peeve. But Iget it because you need that sound bite.
Your producer, your assignment, theeditor is like, listen, you
got a hit list. You gotto get these five people or don't come
back to studio. That's who yougotta get, you know. So everybody's
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trying to eat. Everybody's trying tomake their producers and their editors happy.
And that was one moment where Idefinitely had to really fight for myself.
And when I posted it in realtime, it went viral. If you
were like, oh man, Jamie, like you trying to walk past,
They're like, Roland, I can'tbelieve you did that. I had a
great moment, and there was therewas another time I'll never forget. I
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was at Urban World Film Festival inNew York City and there was a gentleman
who again was right before me.It was the premiere for a film from
Hidden Empire Film Group starring Jamie FoxxI mean starring Tyrese Gibson. It was
called Black and Blue, I think. And so Tyree's comes to the carpet
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and these two guys again are havingthis big, you know, interview.
I'm like, guys, like,knock it off. So I take the
ball of my mic and I tappedthe gentleman in his back like hey,
like, wrap this up, wrapthis up, wrap this up. And
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you know, after it was overand I got my interview, he was
like, t you are something else. You guys are not gonna come out
here and bully us, Like,You're just not gonna do that, because
if I were a man standing behindyou, you would have not monopolized that
type of time. Especially if itwere a man who's worked that you admired
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and respected, who you considered anally, you would not have done that.
And that's why I tapped you inthe back with my microphone. You
know, I'm glad it was yourmic that you're hitting with and not a
baton, you know, stop withstop it. No, it was just
somebody, come on, man,come on, like we're out of here
(21:40):
too. Bar YEAHR DENISEA. We'regonna take one more break here and come
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because we have great guests and greattopics as we do right now with Tanisha
(23:03):
Grant. Well, as we mentionedbefore, we're all from the Chester,
Pennsylvania, which is south of Philadelphia. You know, one of the schools
that kind of has like a pipelinefor many of the students out of Chester
High School is Chaney University. Well, Tanisha's father used to work at Chaney
University. As a matter of fact, when I graduated from high school,
he was actually a counselor for me, processing me in. But I kind
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of ran off and went to college. Not to college, but I went
to the Air Force, which wasa better thing for me to do at
the time. Well, Tanisha isactually a former Miss Cheney. She actually
was a Queen a Cheney. Buther journey didn't initially originally bring her to
Cheney. Something happened to bring herthere eventually, and she's going to be
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kind enough or to let us breakwhat it was that changed her life and
her trajectory academically to change University Tenniato Flora Jews. Talk to us,
Oh thank you. So when Iwas a student at Edinburgh, if you
don't know, Edinburgh was the schoolwhere my father went first too. He
actually transferred from Edinburgh University to Cheneyand he had great experiences at Edinburgh.
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But because he had a young family, you know myself and as the wife
with my mom, he thought itbest for him to come back to the
Philadelphia area. And attend Channeing University. But when I was applying for colleges
and universities, I was reluctant.I had a lot of reluctance about going
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to an HBCU for a myriad ofreasons. And my dad was just like,
Okay, I'm going to respect yourdecision and let's try Edinburgh for you.
So I'm like, okay, great, fantastic. When I was a
student at Edinburgh, and for thoseof you who don't know, Edinburgh is
located right outside of Fury, Pennsylvania, it is freezing. It starts snowing
(25:00):
in October and it doesn't stop untilApril. Very very cold. And my
family couldn't send me enough thermos,they couldn't send me enough down coats.
I was never warm enough, neverwarm enough. When I was a student
at Edinburgh and I got a reallybad cold that I just couldn't shake.
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And I think it was just youknow the stress of being a new student,
a freshman. I was eighteen yearsold, I was away from home
for the very first time, andyou know, the coursework was definitely challenging,
but I was like getting by,you know, making it through.
I had professors there, White professorswho were making all sorts of assumptions about
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my level of education and my capabilitiesand whether or not I should even be
at Edinburgh University. But I thinkthat's part for the course for any African
Americans student who was attending a predominantlywhite institution. So I was really sick.
I just wasn't getting better. AndI went to the infirmary one evening
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around maybe like five o'clock and fiveo'clock at Edinburgh and ear he's already dark
outside. But I'm like, youknow, I got to get through finals.
Like I was missing class, youknow, I just didn't have the
strength to even like get up andgo to class. And you know,
once you start missing classes, youcan forget about your GPA for the most
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part, you know. So Isaid, I got to get better.
If I can just get through myfinals, maybe I can get some withdraw
passes for a couple of courses thatI was having, you know, some
issues with. And I go tothe infirmary, I check in. I'm
getting seen by a doctor who mishandledme actually, and I was devastated.
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I couldn't really reconcile it. Icouldn't. I felt like I couldn't tell
my family. I definitely felt likeI could not tell my father. He
would have hurnted the university down.And I just remember like laying there,
I had to tie on and itwas the room was frigid. It was
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just really really really really cold,and you know what this doctor was doing
was it was just wildly inappropriate.It was sexual misconduct. And I just
remember my eyes like worldward tears.I got dressed and I just like sped
out of there, and I rememberthere were some other younger women like waiting,
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and I just kind of looked atthem, like get out of here,
you know, And I just wentback to my dorm room and I
probably slept for the rest of thesemester. And my dad got my grades
and I had a GPA that waslike barely two points something, and he
was mortified because he was just like, what's happening with my girl? Like,
(28:18):
I know my kid, she lovesbooks, she loves to read,
and she's a vested learner. Whathappened to my daughter? And I could
never bring it. I just Icould never tell my father to this day,
he passed not knowing that that iswhat happened, and he said,
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Okay, this GPA is unacceptable.I'm taking you to Cheney and we packed
my stuff up get home to Chester. We were living at Bridgewater Apartments that
next semester. He walked me rightup into the President's office introduced me.
It was like, this is mydaughter, Tanisha, and she goes here.
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Now you know I had and youknow, I'll go on record every
time San Chiana University of Pennsylvania,the oldest hbcuth founded in eighteen thirty seven,
truly saved my life life. Well, yeah, you know, you're
talking to two fathers of daughters,and you're absolutely right. If your father
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and I knew your father, thatuniversity would have been burned down, and
that that the doctor would have beenpart of the rubbish. Okay, well
yeah, and thank you so muchfor sharing that on the book of that
radio show, because, like Isaid, you got two dedicated fathers here
and Father's Day is coming up,so thank you for sharing that with us.
And but along those lines, silenceisn't golden when those types of things
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happen. So why don't you sharewith us a little bit about what's coming
up with you, how we canget a hold to you. And what
can we look for you for whatcan we look for from you in the
future. You can look for mea book. Working on two books simultaneously.
One is about my career in Hollywoodin the entertainment journalism space, and
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the other one is of course comingof age and Chester PA and locking in
with the experience of my dad,particularly once my parents were divorced and separated
and my dad had soul custody ofme and my sister, which is pretty
remarkable for the time. You knowwhat, man in the prime of his
life in the eighties is saying,Okay, I'm going to take I'm going
(30:33):
to take my girls. So Idefinitely want to tell that story. And
it's not to to undermine you know, women, is not to undermine my
mother at all. It's just abouttelling the story of a father who was
very dedicated and dowed into what hewanted his daughters to be and he had
a very clear vision for that andhe's he's he saw it through. He
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saw it through. And so lookfor my books. Hope I'll be able
to get them out for twenty twentyfive and continued work in the entertainment journalismic
space. You can always find meon my syndicated digital platform Black in America,
which is where I contribute all ofmy content to. I also freelance
and I contribute to New York's pixelevenues. So to all of my New Yorkers
(31:18):
and people in New Jersey and Connecticut, thank you for watching me on my
morning segments on pixe eleven News.And I also contribute to Good Morning Britain
in London in the UK and alsoArise News in Lagos, Nigeria. So
yeah, Notlli would well Hendy gMan, we can't get out of here
(31:40):
without some comments from you. Comeon in here, let's go. Oh
man. Well, first of all, I want to say to you that
you are a great example of excellencefor many different situations, for women,
for black women, and from thepeople of Chester. You know, there's
(32:01):
a saying what Chester makes makes Chester, and you know you hear a lot
of like negative things sometimes, buta lot of times we need to focus
on the positive and then things thatare generated from a rose from the concrete,
you know. So we're proud ofyou. We want to continue to
(32:22):
support you and everything that you do. And I just wanted to say thanks
for coming on Oh, thank youso much for having me, gentlemen Anysha
with a great, great show,and you definitely are going to be back
on the book of that radio showand we're going to hang out with you,
so we'll cross promote each other andget each other stuff out there as
we always do. But you know, it's kind of hard to close the
(32:43):
show for me because, like Isaid, I've been asking what you I'm
a little emotional about what would youjust share it with us? Because like
I say, I know exactly whatI have done if I knew about something
like that. So thank you forsharing. But we're going to close out
the show today. Let it out. Actually absolutely held on so long so
when I once I made it public, I knew that all right, I'm
(33:05):
ready to talk about it. Andit's taken me pretty much, you know,
half my life to do it.Okay, we're great, thank you
for sharing it with us. Okay, all right, but let's close out
the show with a quote. Andthis quote is simply this. It says,
you don't have to be content,but you definitely have to be patient.
Let's book at that radio show anddoctor Robert Benson and we most certainly
(33:28):
will talk to you next time.Thank you for listening.
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