Guest Coach Terry McRae

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Hey, welcome to the book thatradio show. I'm doctor Grabber Vincent.
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I was like, that was agood one to me. Man. They
were a basketball team, weren't they. Yep? All right? Hey,
speaking of Cornbert Earl and me.In sports, we got a great guest
today, a very very good friendof mine in an attorney and a guy
who was so far into the throwsof sports right now, we're gonna just
pick his brain and ask him aboutit everything we can think of about sports.

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What's up Terry McCray, how areyou doing on man? Hey,
doctor Benson. Good to be onyour show against sir. Thank you so
much and good to have you again. Appreciate you guys, and looking forward
to this conversation today. Great,Hey, Terry mccraidy and I go way
back. You know both. Youguys know I was a military guy,

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and when I got out of themilitary, I got into the school systems
and I was a basketball coach.Guess who my assistant coach was, Terry.
Do you well, hey Rod?We did great that year. But
the part you always leave out isyou call me. You call me at
work. Said, hey, Terry, just want to let you know,
I just got this job teaching middleschool and I'm gonna be the head basketball

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coach and you're gonna be my assistantcoach. Okay, hey, I'll talk
to you later, Matt. Allright, that is about how it went.
But on the real that's not Terryand I first met. Terry and
I first met because Terry was myson's coach, and he went out there,
here's this young looking guy. He'sgonna coach my son. Who I
thought. I knew everything. Butlong story short, I pulled up in

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my ride and I got my plateon the car and looked at the car.
He says, it it's your car. I said. He said,
I knew it was something I likedabout you. He said, you had
to drive a car, and Ididn't like you at all before I saw
your car I always had all kindof opinions, didn't you, about how
they should play, all this otherkinds of stuff, said all the input

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obviously. So but Terry, let'stalk about what you're doing right now.
Man, I know you're in themiddle of this. The way that the
landscape, if you will, surroundingsports at all levels has pretty much changed,
and you're in the throws of thatnow, especially from the youth standpoint.
Now today, let's talk right nowabout your youth stuff to get just
going on with that and where you'regoing, and we're gonna take a little

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further deeper into sports from general whohad in tough to us. Yeah,
Rob, So you see today I'mrepresenting Worldwide Hustle. I formed Worldwide Hustle
in twenty nineteen to give my middleson Devin opportunity to play travel basketball,
and from that program we went on. His team went on to win eleventh
and twelfth place in the world AUreceived medals, and based on that performance,

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we applied for and we're accepted byNew Balance Next Tour. So we
are now playing an official Sneaker tour. So the New Balanced Gear, I
have New Balanced Gear, New Balancedtennis shoes, New Balance uniforms. So
key point, we're on the NewBalance Tour, not New Balance Sponsor yet,
we're trying to play on to thesponsor tour. But what that does,

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Rob, is giving kids an opportunityhere in Metro Atlanta, you know
where out here east side of Atlanta, we are now playing in front of
college coaches our next tournament for thelive period, which you and I know,
Rob, where we grew up.Having an opportunity like this for the
kids to get this type of exposure, And it's just it's it's really from
a money standpoint, it's it's it'spriceless and a perfect example, Rob,

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and you knew how this works.I had a kid who never starts,
six foot eight guy. I wantedhim to play, but he just wasn't
doing very well. I put himin because the first team wasn't doing well.
This kid played the game of hislife, game of his life,
used all six eight of his frame, block shots, twelve points, went
five or six from the line,free throw line, just dominated, and

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he got picked out to be Playerof the Game by the head scout of
New Balance. So that's just agreat story of one of my players who
really wouldn't get much playing time.When his moment came, he did what
he was supposed to do. Andfrom that Rob he's six ft eight in
sophomore, still growing, so youknow he's gonna get he was already.
He just need to be found.He's going to be okay, absolutely well,

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you know things. The thing thatI always say, man, is
sports dunes for by anyone increas aplan of positive outcomes, if you will.
But more importantly is camaraderie. Peopleget, kids get a sense of
accomplishment from going what they do.And of course more than anything else,
it's activity. I mean, inthis world of information technology, but kids

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are glued in front of the TVscreen playing video games all day. It
is absolutely a necessity to get himoutside. But let me let me share
one of my stories with you aboutthat, because you know, I coached
baseball, right, so when youcoach it, I had a kid or
the team man. His mom boughthim out there with the glow for the
wrong hand, so you know,he didn't know nothing about baseball, right.

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So there ago they are in theseason and because of how significant sports
are, he was still on theteam. I mean, he was content
just to be on the team,you know. So last game we put
him out there on the field,you know, and he kid gets up
to batt and I mean, hehits the ball and he rocks it.
It goes straight up in the air. So our kid who steals us and
got the wrong glove, when hestands up under he's like, all of

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a sudden, the ball comes downand he catches it. It's the greatest
moment of that kid's life, right, I'm saying, yeah, And I
get a little emotional thing about it. But that sense of accomplishment and that
that kind of thing is what reallydoes with sports do for people. So
I'm like, I don't I don'tknow if anything else has given me a
sense of confidence like that except forsports. What do you think? No,

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I definitely agree. Oh ahead,I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Terry.
I was going to say, Ithink that when it comes to your
formative years and you're growing up,sports is a great way to teach so
many different aspects of life. Youteach teamwork, you teach camaraderie, you
teach respect, and you teach theyare the competition and those are things that

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are important. And what I wantedto ask you Terry was when you're dealing
with younger people in sports, youhave different levels, right, So I
wanted to know. I wanted toknow how long do you intend to follow
that group or are you limited tomaybe fifteen to sixteen? Are you going

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to follow them into college? Areyou going to move on into because I
know you're tighten with New Balance andRob and I were talking earlier about how
the N one Mixtape Tour changed basketballoutside of the NBA, and you know,
things didn't go well in the endof that, but it's good that
New Balance and others are still sponsoringyoung people so they can get opportunities like

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you guys just talked about. Tellme how you think you want to follow
those kids to the next level orprepare them for the next level. No,
that's a great question, and whatI will tell you is previous to
this, I was coaching high schoolbasketball and that's kind of where I got
proved proved my medal. Rob youknow, went to state final four two

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years in a row, three regions. And I have kids playing college ball,
so I'm still in touch with them. So the plan for Worldwide Hustle
would be to graduate. My son, Devin is class of twenty twenty five,
So I have two classes now thatI'm trying to get as many college
scholarships as possible. And basically,Devin has already told me ed when he
makes it to the pros, he'ssponsoring worldwide hustle like the other pros.

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Dude. So him and my olderson, they've already said they're gonna come
back and they're gonna coach the programto keep it going into you know,
forever, until their kids get throughit. So it's it's continues to give.
And that's a great question. AndRob one of the reason about him
and I are so close. Icoached his son Andrew when he was seven

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or eight, seven or eight yearsold. He's twenty something now, and
he still calls me. He stillhe still calls me coach and remembers because
all little league season, all theother sport moments he's had, we were
one game away from a perfect season. It still remembers that all these years.

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Absolutely, and as I said before, that sense of accomplished for guys
where we need to take a quickbreak. So we're gonna do that here,
and but we're gonna come right backand finish talking to Terry when this
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the Book at that radio show withDoctor Robert Benson and Eddieg Today we have
a dynamic coach, Terry McCrae,who is a good friend and he's doing
great things for the youth in America. I had a question for you,
Terry, when we talk about youthsports, and now we talk about high

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school and college with the new NILrules and the exposure to money with some
of these younger people, tell meyour position on actually preparing people, because
think about this, how many NBAplayers do you know or have you heard
of, that were millionaires and endup going broke, right and Primarily the

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reason was they didn't have anything toprepare them for that level of money.
Right, So you're a guy,you're eighteen years old, you make forty
million, and you're just throwing itaway. So what do you think about
the idea of introducing maybe not thatamount of money, but large amounts of
money to younger teenagers and they've beenexposed to this, what should we do

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to prepare them for that. No, that's a great question ed, and
I'm all for people getting paid forwhat they do. You know, when
we grew up, we always hadjobs delivered newspaper, shoveled snow, cut
grass. We always had a wayto make money. These kids nowadays,
they're so in their time, theway things are set up, it's a

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lot harder for them to have jobsand do things the way we used to
do. So if you can usesports, if you can use sports to
make things better and maximize what you'realready doing to make money, I think
it's a great thing. But itcomes back to what you're saying, that
educational clad education and how to domoney, and that also comes from an

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African American community being educated about howto use money, period, because we're
so used to coming up struggling.We never really get that same exposure to
how do you manage wealth, howdo you build wealth, how do you
invest? How do you save?All these things are part of the education
system that when we're fighting for certaintypes of banning books in class and things

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that in nature, and we needto talk about educating people on money.
So when we do have these nildeals, how do we monetize the TikTok
videos that the kids are doing?Because I will tell you, Rob,
you got to see some of thevideos my kids do. They do TikTok
videos. They think they are professionalathletes right now. They're taking pictures of

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themselves in at the pool, inthe hot tub. We just won,
So they're mode. They are gettingtheir looks to get in their follows,
and they're trying to build up sothey can start getting paid for social media.
We are actively engaging and trying toget more followers. Absolutely. You
know the quote a friend of mine, what it used to say to me
all the time is that if youcan't manage fire dollars, you can't manage

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five million dollars. And it allkinds of so that's down they can be
I still have that problem a day. Five dollars burns right through my hands
like crazy. But you know,they're interestingly enough, and I have to
get too far off of that topic. You guys, now, Yannis Hunt
that the guy that plays from Milwaukeewas on USA the Day or Good Morning
American Rests. Again, you can'tsay his name, can you? Because

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I can? Okay, yeah,yeah, yeah, that dude the great
freak. But yeah, man,I mean he was so aware of his
finances that he actually opened up likenine different accounts in different banks because they
understood the two hundred thousand dollars rule. Wow, I can't that young doing

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something like that. And now he'sactually sharing that information with other people.
But again that's a that's a that'sa discussion we can have forever. But
what I want to do is talka little bit now about the fact that
sports are now being a whole lotmore legally impacted by Betty. You know,
you couple that with the fact thatnow it's okay for college athletes to
make money too. So here isthis major grand bag attack, if you

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will, on the money surrounding thesupport sport a sport itself on so many
different levels. What are the evilimplications there, and you know we've heard
the terms point shaving, you know, yeah, all of those things that
contribute to someone trying to determine theoutcome of the game. Me I officiated
basketball for years and we even hadcases where people where referees have been actually

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sentenced for in federal prison for thosetypes of things. Where do you see
this going right now because of thisnew exposure or over betting and addressing of
the sports scene in Joe. Sothere's there's two schools of thoughts. If
you look at prohibition with alcohol,once you made it legal, it took

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some of the taboo off of itand the government was able to regulate it
better. As you understand, though, where money's involved, when people betting
a lot of money, betting's emotional. When people start betting money they don't
have and we get outcomes that aren'tfavorable and things are on the up and
up, bad things can happen becausethere's bad actors involved. So I think

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the especially professional sports is trying todo a good job of making it legal
and trying to put things in place. You know, the guy from the
Falcons got suspended for betting on gameswhile he was while he wasn't on injured
reserve, he bet on the Falconsgame and they spend him for a year.
They just had an incident in Chinawhere they suspended two teams for they

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didn't think that they were putting enoughfour fourth enough effort in their playoff series,
so they banned both of those teamsand the coaches for a year.
So they're looking at things a lotdeeper because so much money is involved and
if we're going to allow betting,we can't allow it to affect the integrity
of the game. That's interesting thing. Man. Speaking of integrity of the

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game, I want to talk veryvery briefly about some of the antics and
how during the playoffs things getting veryvery tense and we're starting to see physical
collision behaviors and are threatening the careersof athletes. I mean, like for
I don't want to mention any names, but were there's some players out there
right now that I know if Iwas playing, we wouldn't be playing basketball

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anymore. After some of these timesI'm saying, where do you guys?
Starts on that, Yeah, whatdo you think about that? Terry?
And then let it be like China, because yeah, it was a really
really good basketball fan at one time. He's not anymore, but he wasn't
one. I'll tell you what though. You know I'm a Warriors fan,

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and right, I know he's gettingthat, but I agree. I mean,
things change over time as far asthe way the game is played.
I think one problem is personality.Personalities get into these things where people build
a brand. I'm building a brandas a bad boy, you know,

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like Dylan Brooks. You know he'stalking trash just to talk trash. He's
definitely not better than the people he'stalking trash too. Right away, you
know, he says something about Lebrontoday he's asking for trouble man, right,
But that's his brand. And it'salmost like the music industry. If

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you look at a lot of theyoung players, they try to see who
can come up with the craziest hairstyle, right, And it's not it's
not an act. It's really soyou can stand out because it's a lot
of competition there. And it comesback to money again, right, So
some of it taints the game becauseyou don't want your children watching it and

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be and thinking that it's okay.And number two, you don't want somebody
to get hurt and their career.That's just not good for anybody where you're
getting terry. Well, no,I agree with you, And you know,
Rob didn't want to call names,and I'm gonna call it out.
This will be the second time ina row if the Warriors lose that Draymond

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Green has cost his team because hisantics, he doesn't get the benefit of
the doubt. So I want tokind of take him out of the fold
because he's such a repeat offender.He just you can't give him grace because
he hasn't learned his lesson. Evenif even if that was a bogus,
he's just not the good example.But the ones I will what happened to
Jah and what happened to Jannis thosefouls. That charge needs to go away

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from basketball. That's stepping in frontof people. He's stepping up in front
of people when they're in the airalready. That's that's a non athletic play
that should not be rewarded with anything, and people are just getting hurt.
So Rob, I think you knowthis. The way I teach my players
to take a charge is actually playingdefense in a defensive position. I do

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not do the stand there like astatue because to me, first, that's
that's not an athletic. That's notathletic if it's not that and John getting
hurt, these these high flying playersgetting hurt, especially now that we've taken
all the like you know we usedto play, how hard the fouls were,
they wouldn't even at least they wouldvalue straight up, you're getting foul.

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That undercutting anything, undercutting your landingis wrong. Yeah, he guys,
again, we are definitely walked overto break threshold. This is a
great discussion because I mean, tome, there's a bunch of other things
that contribute to this. And yeah, you made another good point because you're
talking about individualism and accepting individualism ina team sport, and that's the complexity

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Greatness Radio dot Com. That's mystory and I'm sticking to it. Hey,
and we're right back right where weleft. We were talking to Terry
and Head and we were just it'skind of difficult to structure a conversation around
an emotional topic between three testosterone filledgentleman. So I'm old. I lost

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all my test off I bought someat Walmart yesterday. But on the real
though, Jerry, we left offtalking about protecting the careers of athletes because
of this the physicality, and wealso talked about the money aspect and how
those things were in the past ableor a person's desire or need to have

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it has been very, very destructivein the lives and careers of a lot
of young athletes. It appears atthis uh, this NCAA regulation has made
a special step to try to doaway with those things. Do you really
do you think that this, thisthis new law is going to remedy these
problems or do you see things gettingeven potentially worse considering the the desire to

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make money as it comes into theto the fold, if you will,
Rob, I think you're seeing it. With the NCAA tournament, NIL has
changed the landscape of college sports.A kid can go from a mid major
to a major program and or stayat a mid major and have all seniors

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that they're having money. And asyou're seeing, these no name schools per
se can compete with the blue bloodschools because the money has leveled the playing
field. And now you can takea kid who was maybe tenth or eleventh
at a Kentucky oh I can goto a smaller school, make money and

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come see them in the tournament andget the same thing out of it.
So from that standpoint, I thinkit's leveling the playing field. Rob.
Okay, let me ask you thisnow, along those same lines and that
that train of thought, have yousee a trajectory of sorts where we're gonna
start seeing more professional leagues developed?Like I said, because I mean for
years, the Big Three is heldathleticism in general hostage NFL, Major League

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Baseball, and hockey, and ofcourse basketball. But but those sports tend
to hold people's hopes and dreams hostage. Do you see like more wfls and
c NBA's, etc. Coming Anddo you see them and being able to
level off and compete and make moneyat the levels that those other organizations are
doing. I think that last year'sexperiment with the USFL the way that the

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way they did it with the backingof TV, as long as football is
on TV, Rob at the righttime, people are going to watch it.
I mean, my wife kind ofwhen NFL seasons starts and ends,
she's like, Okay, I gotmy husband back because the NFL season,
I mean, i know what I'mdoing Monday, Thursday and Saturday, Saturday

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and Sunday, I know what I'mdoing those four days football is going to
be on so and then you know, once Aba, you know we're basketball
fanatics. Once once June something hitsin the finals are done. We love
baseball, but it doesn't take upthe same type of time as the NFL
and NBA. So yeah, Ithink there's an appetite for a rob where

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with nil, with betting, bettingsfueling things because people bet on everything,
everything, everything, and it's crazylike gaming. You can get a scholarship
now for gaming rob being a videogame player. Yeah, you know,
they got au programs for for esports now, so all that you can

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make money just playing video games.So anything that can get monetized and get
an audience, I think you're ontosomething with the more leagues. Yes,
and let me let me I knowhe was getting a jumping in real quick,
but let me ask one more questionabout that. And it's kind of
a shifting gears. But because we'regetting so much more attention with sports with

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money, do you think that they'relike the patriotism thing that Kaepernick was doing.
Do you see that reservicing and becominganother issue? Do you think that
we're just going to basically funnel outthose patriotism and those ceremonial type things from
sports profican as devisive as America isright now. You never know what's gonna

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cause it to creep back up.And I think that's just we're at the
time with the kneeling. I thinkthe kneeling the time was a little too
early then the Black Lives Matters movement, so it became more more woke.
I guess everybody's woke now, soit's more woke for everybody to be allowed

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everything to go on. So Idon't know. The patriotism thing is where
we're not at war when we don'thave anything, people really don't have anything
to rally around but sports right now, I believe it's just you're rooting for
your team and betting money to makemoney. I think that's really where we
are right now, versus h holdingup the flag and things of that nature.

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Than I was going to say onthe on the betting point. You
know, with this gig economy andthere's so many different ways now to make
money kind of levels the playing fieldfor a lot of people. You know,
uh, young people who I know, young people who've never worked for
anybody. They go straight from collegeto start in their own business and they're

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killing it, right. And whenyou look at the different ways money is
made nowadays. Like you said,Terry about the betting, betting is changing
everything. If you think about thewomen's tournament in college this year, it
was it was here, but howlong the w NBA has been struggling right,

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there's a turnaround coming because, likeyou said, people just want to
bet on something or opportunities. Allthe betters, whether they the support or
not, they want to make somemoney. But in a good way.
It helps the sport because more peoplewatch it. And I think what happened
this year with the women's college tournamentis really going to help the w NBA

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as well as women's sports altogether.That is great, absolutely, Hey,
they just want to bring up onemore point. It's kind of a societal
issue. But I want to askTerry first his ya and a quick quip
on it. What do you thinkabout transgenders in sports right now? Terry,
give us a legal perspective and apersonal one. Personal one on that,

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Yeah, Robbie, as you know, different states are putting different regulations,
so it's a state right issue rightnow. But chromosomes, when you
have a male athlete with a personwith male chromosomes competing against women who we
know are women, they have agenetic advantage. As we've been talking about

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it, secret of the game andcompetitive advantage. We really need to look
at that in a way that it'snot discriminatory. Maybe make their own division,
make their own league, or somethingof that nature. But that competitive
advantage of having males versus females isjust it's not good. And like Ed

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just said that, the women's gameis taking off, so to have something
that's going to prevent them from playingat the highest level because now you know,
no farther their own genetically, thatthey have to compete against a person
with male chromosomes, it's just notfair and it's wrong. It's wrong for
a competitive balance, just like steroidsis wrong. Just like all that stuff

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competitive advantage. We need to finda better way. I love that comment
because whenever referee ball, one thingwe used to always say is advantage disadvantage
is what the person did or whatdid they do? Did it create a
disadvantage for the competition, And that'swhat your job was to do, is
to make sure that happened. ButTerry well Man, we can talk about
this forever. And you're you're agreat guy. You're and you know I

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know, you can play a littlebar home and they're not very good,
you know, but you can playI Am I Am every time for you
know that. It has been agreat show man. Yeah, thanks for
hanging out with Terry. Yeah,I appreciate you guys. Good. Hey,
I just want to say thanks toTerry for coming on giving us some

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insight because there's there's so many thingsthat are involved as sports that can really
help young people grow. And it'salmost like the military, right you guys
are in the military when you lookback and you say, hey, I
learned this, I learned how tobe this way, I learned leadership,
I learned all those things. Um, there's different things in life that give

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you a foundation for the future,and sports is one of them. So
we appreciate you doing. Yeah realquick, Rob like said, I consider
this my ministry for me, andyou started off giving things to Jehovah and
Jesus Christ, and for me,working with young people in sports gives them
a positive outlet from the bad thingsthat are out there so they can be

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focused on something that keeps them good, physically fit, mentally focused, and
then also from an academic standpoint,making sure that they're being a position where
they can succeed in life academically andmove on to go to college. So
I really just thank you guys forgiving this opportunity to talk about this.
And then you know, we'll talkabout fundraising for my team on the next

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show, and that's going to happen. But until then, I won't even
go a quote out there that work. But really, though, let me
just say this a same sheet ofmusic and this was sportsold about. It's
been a book at bad radio show. I've got to rever fencing. But
my main man, Anig and Jamesturning there and again Penky Turny, we

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enjoy you had them happen. Youman, We'll talk to you next time.
Thank you, gentlemen.