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September 6, 2024 • 45 mins
Kaos- The Fall of Law and Order, The Fall of Zeus. A Netflix Series

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, and welcome back to Brainbow. My name is Michelle Panamadusa.
And if you're wondering why I'm talking like this is
an as MR podcast, it's because it's three o'clock in
the morning and I've been wanting to do a podcast
for a while. It's just been so busy. This whole

(00:21):
year has been busy. And it's about the show Chaos
and their interpretation of Greek mythology. If you've been following
along another podcast where we were reading Homer and the

(00:44):
Iliad and parts of the Odyssey and just some random
things here and there. I talk a lot about mythology,
about Greek mythology in particular, and my interpretation is different,
Like I think there's a lot of different perspectives overall

(01:05):
of the myth and as you go through life rereading them,
your perspective changes over the years, your perception changes as
you gain more experience and you just get older, I guess.
And that goes with anything. Like you know, you could

(01:25):
watch a movie and maybe just you know, mean something
to you when you watch it, and then later on
you'll have additional meaning added to it and you'll see
it in a different way, and maybe you'll like it
or you won't like it anymore. That's how everything changes. Right.

(01:45):
So I don't know if you've watched the first episode yet.
I mean, how can you spoil it? Right, it's mythology.
It's like it's already been pretty much written. But there
are some things about the show that are quite different
and anachronistic. Maybe, you know, because it's supposed to be

(02:10):
in this like parallel universe where it's modern day age
and they're in Troy and or I mean they're in
the area where the Trojan Wars took place, and the
Trojans are the remaining people that survived, are on the
lowest of the of society, and there's king King Minos

(02:37):
is there and he's the ruler of this city. Okay,
so before we begin, I'm not gonna tell you if
I like it or don't like it, because I'm not
even sure you had to be honest. I'm only into
the third episode and it's entertaining, and I really appreciate

(03:00):
that they're making a show about mythology, but I could
tell that it's it's definitely written from a perspective of
somebody who has that Luciferian complex of like I'm going
to use my own will above the gods or above

(03:24):
God and resentful because bad things have happened to them,
you know, the Trojans lost the war and the way
they de pick the gods are just like humans basically,
like not not even as intelligent as humans, really, they're
just like Zeus is this guy who is just like

(03:49):
a like an adulterer and doesn't care about as children,
and it's just a selfish, self absorbed person. I don't
like that depiction of Zeus. There are aspects of that
when anyone's in power and they become corrupt to behave
that way and be tempted to, you know, erode their

(04:11):
characters their character in that way. But I just see
Zeus as so much more complex than that somebody who well,
in the movie, he's afraid of giving up power, basically
because in the Prophecy, humans overcome Zeus and humans gain

(04:31):
free will, which Prometheus's son gave humans free will, and
me starting to see a shift in humanity where they
are becoming more powerful. So he wants to kill off
half the population and he wants to just put fear

(04:53):
back into people in every way he can so that
they bow down to him again, and I just I
don't see it as like that kind of black and
white like super villain type of thing. Anybody, when they
have power, they don't want to give it up, like
if you have a really good job, you don't want

(05:15):
to lose it. And his whole identity is based on
him being the supreme Ruler, not the supreme Supreme. But
you know in our galaxy on Earth, it's like Jupiter.
It used to be Uranus and then it was Saddurn,
then it's Jupiter. And just to the Christians out there,

(05:41):
there is a higher rather than all of this. These
would be alien type of gods, where there's a whole
universe out there and there's ranges of deities and spirits
and gods and aliens, and then there's like a supreme Maker,

(06:02):
which we don't even talk about because we can't even
know it because it's so high above. But basically all
of these other deities they serve the ultimate Supreme God,
although they may be flawed and they have a let's see,
an evolutionary drive to become godlike, and so everyone just

(06:26):
keeps transcending like the Buddha. Okay, so like what a
Buddha really is is somebody who has just lived over
and over again until they've learned from all of their experiences,
and then they become enlightened. And then once you become
enlightened or a body sooppha or a master, then you
can transcend a level and then you can have, I

(06:53):
guess like maybe be called a deity or an angel
or a saint or somebody that is immortal. So there's
layers of all of this, and that would be really
complex to even write that because it's not just like
God and angels and demons and that's it, Like there's

(07:15):
orders in both of them. And okay, so ultimately God
doesn't want us to just be slaves. I'm talking about
God like them to say, like the ultimate Supreme God
doesn't want us to be slaves. So we all have
free will. Well, there may be some deities that or
some spirits that don't have free will because they're aspects

(07:38):
of people. That's another thing. I'm okay, I'll talk about
that later. So while demons and some spirits and angels
they don't have free will because they serve humans. They're
basically like a fragmented like the fragmented psyche ghost of

(08:03):
a person who comes back to help them. Okay, so
like the time traveler. I like that. I like calling
it a time traveler. Okay. So, Zeus in this show
Chaos is played by Jeff Goldblin. He's really funny. He
looks like a great guy. You know, he's just like
a he's just a douchebag. And and and that would

(08:28):
be this is the reason why there's the fall of
Zeus really is because people get fed up with that
and they don't like it. And so I mean the
way that I see Zeus though, is that I would
like I just I think this show is has a
lot of more potential because some of the things, like

(08:50):
there's Morpheus and he's like he's like the god of music. Well,
he would be lower than Apollo, becus Apollo gave birth
to him. And then the muse Uridicy is his wife,

(09:12):
and they don't really portray the complexity of like, Okay,
he's in love with his wife, but he also is
in love with his own talent, and when he loses her,
he loses his talent. So like, there's just a lot
of things like this in the show where it's like

(09:32):
the human complex component isn't really there. It's just it's
very simplistic, and I'm thinking it's because it's too complex. Really,
it's like it's a lot easier to just make everybody
kind of flat because there's a lot of characters in it.
And I think they would have done better if they

(09:52):
didn't try to throw tons of characters in right away,
because then it just kind of gleans over who they are,
and that could be part of the problem. But Morpheus is,
you know, it's like there's a whole episode, at least
the first three episodes are all about him, and then
there's Dionysus, and I really like, I don't know who
plays this, but he's a great I'm sorry I did

(10:15):
not even look that up. I've never seen this actor
who played him before. He's a really great job of
playing Dionysus as this like deviant but just like also
a cool person who would help you if you need it,
just because he's cool. But he's also just a like

(10:38):
a party goer, and he's like the bad son, and
he's trying to create a legacy for himself. So he's
trying to prove his worth in his father's eyes by
doing something and maybe in a way it's also to well,

(11:02):
you know, okay, so you know these family dynamics where
there's a father who has this Zeus like energy where
he's like, no, this is right, and this, this is traditional,
this is right, and you know, my way or the highway.
In this movie Bluck Brothers with Toby maguire the father,

(11:23):
and that played a really good representation of like the
Zeus father who does things correctly, somebody that you know,
you could you could rely on, and is good in
a lot of ways, like he's dependable, he's reliable, but
he also demands, he demands loyalty and to put him

(11:50):
before yourself, which is is fine and noble if as
long as that person is not abusing that, like if
you know they're demanding things of you that are in
the long run not good for you, but more just
good for them, then that's well, that's power abuse. And

(12:18):
so the way he treats his other son, who is
a partygoer more like Dionysus, is to just compare him
to his preferred son in hopes that he would change.
And he's not doing it out of just being a
power hungry guy. He's doing it because he has a

(12:41):
lot of psychological complexities where he hates what he hates
in his son, he hates in himself and things that
he's denied, and because he's worked so hard to deny
those things and he he he, I guess processes his own.

(13:06):
You know, people process their own like yeah, I wouldn't
even I don't know. I don't know how to call this. Okay,
I'm sorry. Let me just take a step back. So
in psychology, when it's we just say projection, but it's

(13:27):
more to it than that. It's a way of processing.
It's say, in an extreme example, it would be a
psychopath that tortures somebody. Let's say that it's somebody like
a doctor who has been in the past treated in
ways where another person got their kicks off of abusing power.

(13:51):
Let's say they had somebody who who use their position
to belittle and berate them so just so that they
could have the satisfaction of being revered. So this would

(14:15):
be the dark aspect of Zeus. Or a priest, a
priest with an altar boy who tells the altar boy
he's bad for having sexual urges, and the way to
get rid of that and be forgiven is to have
sex with a priest, and then the priest will forgive

(14:35):
absolve them of all his sins because he acted them out.
It's something like that. And so like, let's say that
there's a doctor who is telling a person that their
son is dying, and they're watching every emotion coming from

(14:57):
them and just getting delight from it because in the past,
let's say their child died and they may feel like
it's unfair that they had their own child get taken
away from them, and instead of mourning because it's a

(15:17):
very you know, like when you lose a baby, it's
a very difficult thing to go through and nobody can
go through with you. You have to go through it alone.
And people could say I'm sorry and try to consul you,
but you're really there all by yourself. And if you're
trying to keep it together and you don't want to

(15:41):
feel the full depths of why this happened and how
this happened and everything, and if you just just want
to shut it down, then it's unresolved. So carrying around
an unresolved trauma for somebody who doesn't allow emotional expression,
say a psychopath, what they do is they turn it

(16:03):
on to other people and then watch, so they watch
them go through the process that they went through as
a way to learn about this in a way for
them to process their own experience. So you ever hear
you know, they say psychopaths torture animals, and they do

(16:24):
it for the same reason because when they've been hurt
and they haven't processed it, because it's like a it's
just it's a it's a way of survival for them
to say, like, well for them to if they can't
feel the pain, then it doesn't hurt them. So something
gets shut off. And some people could be born like

(16:46):
this too, where they just don't have those pain receptors
or emotional emotional depths and inability to form connections with
humans because they're just I mean, these would be autistic
people that are undiagnosed because they're functional. But basically they're
autistic that are functional that don't have any brain damage,

(17:10):
but they are all in their own world and so
it's just their wrong little bubble. So these kids and
stuff that like torture animals, they watch the animal and yeah,
they feel like a little power like, oh, you know,
I'm master of the universe. But also when they felt
pain before and they just didn't allow that to process.

(17:36):
They watch it in another and then when you can
control something, then it alleviates a lot of the fears
and anxieties that go along with having to be the
victim of it. And then after a while that power
is just like any other experience, whether it's like love
or envy or just a habitual something. It starts out habitual,

(18:00):
but then it becomes addictive. And power is a very
addictive emotion, and once it gets metabolized, there needs to
be a new experience. So that's why, like you know,
like they're serial killers and they don't just kill once
and say, oh, that was fun. Or a person who
goes out and steals the shopless. You know, rich women
do this, they shop list. It's like, why are you

(18:22):
doing that? You don't need to, but it was thrilling,
you know, So they do it again. They do it again.
They don't stop until they get caught. And so these
are hidden addictions because it's like a secret it's like
it's some kind of high that you can get without

(18:45):
even having to inject anything or take anything. It's just
a full on experience. So if you can go on
replicating this, you're basically a drug addict just doing this
over and over again. And it's really hard to understand
because if you're not a drug addict, you're like, why
are you doing that? Like when you're all cracked out,
Like why don't you do something else? Like that doesn't

(19:07):
look like it's good for you. But the person doing
crack is like, that's all they want to do, that's
all they think about, that's all they're consumed about. And
when you do something in secret too, there's an additional
layer of thrill. And so like I say, a doctor
who enjoys tormenting a parent and watches your reaction as

(19:31):
they're giving you this like your son's gonna die, they're
processing something that happened to their own child that is unresolved. Well,
not only that, I mean there could be a financial
factor too, So not anybody who is malicious in how
they are treating you or doing it just out of

(19:52):
statistic reason. Sometimes there's financial incentives which also have to
do with power. But okay, so basically Zeus Jupiter is
all power, right his father's before his father before him
saturn ate his children and had to be overthrown because

(20:15):
he was he was They just rebelled against him, and
the same thing with Urane is too and now with Jupiter,
people are rebelling against Jupiter or Zeus in this show chaos.
I mean, I like I said, I'm gonna finish watching.

(20:36):
I'm only on the third episode. I like it. I
just think that there could there should they could have done.
It could have been so much better if they would
have just like made these characters more complex. And because
another thing, like with Morpheus, he's this musician and there's
just little things like why does she foam out of

(20:58):
love with them? They don't show like how it is
for an artist to be like really talented and then
just like lose all of their talent, and they don't
show they don't explore that whole thing, the depression that
comes with it, because this is a very common thing
with artists, writers, musicians, actors. When you're at the top

(21:18):
of your game and you got that muse with you
and then all of a sudden, the muse is taken away.
It's like it's it's beyond just losing a girlfriend or
boyfriend or wife or whatever. Yeah, that's difficult to go
through something like that, but you're also losing your whole

(21:41):
like you're losing your talent too. And when you have
talent and you're successful like that, there's this adoration from others.
So then you're losing that adoration from others and for
other people to see that's like all who cares. At
least you had something, But when you're going through something

(22:03):
like that, I'm sure, like I I'm glad that I
didn't have to deal with that. I was never famous
and had a you know, lost lost it. I used
to say I would rather, I'd rather just I used
to think that I would rather have something like, you know,
than nothing. Ever, but now I'm like, I'm starting to

(22:24):
see a glimpse in what it's like just from you know,
watching other people go through experiences where they they are
like at the top of their game and then they
just lose it. I mean I kind of had like
a little tastes of that froount my life, but I
was never like a famous actress or something who just

(22:46):
one days and nobody. So that's what that's what what
wasn't really portrayed in the show with Morpheus. Instead, they
just make it a love story, which is nice, but
it's like one thing about it, like the Muse you
Reallycy just doesn't even love him. So he's going through
all of these things to save her, to go travel

(23:08):
back to the underworld and stuff, and she doesn't even
he doesn't even know that she's not in love with
them anymore. So then it kind of just like there's
no stake in it for the viewer because you just
are looking at this guy like he's a schmuck and
you don't understand why do you even love her? She
doesn't even love you. And it's like if you love

(23:30):
someone and you don't even realize that your relationship is ended,
it's it's just it's hard to have funness for the character.
I mean, it's hard to like be invested in the character.
When you're watching a show. You want to watch characters
that are like you're rooting for, you really care about

(23:52):
or that, or maybe you really hate them. But with
this guy, it's just like, ah, it's just kind of cringey.
It's like he doesn't know she doesn't love him, and
he doesn't like Another thing too, is like he's they
don't they make him so perfect? What rock star is perfect?
Like that? Like they could have said, why did you

(24:12):
fall out of love with him? Did he cheat on
you like most rock stars do. Did he do drugs?
And is he like, you know, a selfish douchebag and anyway,
Like no, this guy's like a saint and he just
like has no life except plays with her cat at
home and like just adores her, and she's and then
she gets resentful of like him adoring her. It's like

(24:35):
that's not relatable either, Like how many I mean, like
if a guy wrote a song for you and you're
like I don't like the attention, Like what woman wouldn't
like the attention? Like it's just that none of it
makes any sense now. They don't represent human qualities. So yeah,

(24:55):
I let's see what else do I want to say
about this show Chaos? I hope it gets better. It's
only as I'm watching it. It's only the first season,
so they're maybe the lads of new writers in it,
I hope. But for now, Jeff Goldbloom is awesome. The hair,

(25:15):
oh yeah, harah. She is a super flat character too.
They make her out to be like just like fatal attraction,
but marry the guy. Like they really make her out
to be like she has nothing going on except for
chasing her husband around and punishing whoever he sleeps with,

(25:37):
and fucking Poseidon. Oh that's another thing. Poseidon is terribly
portrayed too. I Mean, the way I see Harah is
that she's she represents the strength of womanhood, and she's
she protects the house, mothers children, the family, nurturing the

(25:57):
whole nurturing aspect, like that's a role that she presides
over the hearth and home, you know. And I think
that she they overly depict her as this like jealous,
envious person who is just completely absorbed with Zeus. I

(26:19):
think she has her own thing going on too. But okay,
then he got Poseidon Neptune. They make him out to
be really sadistic. He's like the little brother who just
does whatever Zeus tells him to do and punishes people
for fun. They don't show like the karma that whenever

(26:43):
gods do punish people in the mythst is because the
people have done something where they deserve karma. And I mean,
I was gonna it's one we're telling I know, I
said this another podcast, you know, like in the Bible
that says this person was nine hundred years old or

(27:04):
a thousand years old. What they're talking about is a
karmic number. It's like a reincarnated number. It's not they're
not literally like a thousand year old human beings, but
people that have passed and come back and keep coming
back through the same lineage. I used to read Matthew.
I really love Matthew. I think that's my favorite book
in the Bible. And I didn't understand, like why would

(27:29):
they start out saying like so and so has the
God of so and so blah blah blah blah blah,
And it's like, okay, like you're a thousand years old,
And I would put it out of my mind, like
I don't even I don't even know how I could
just glance over that and not not trying to make
sense of it. I couldn't make sense of it. But
now I do. I'm like, what they're saying is people.

(27:52):
So like in Jewish tradition, the mother would choose the
name of her child because it would appear to her
in a dream, and it would be the name of
somebody from her family that would get reincarnated and to
allow you know, reincarnation over and over again, eventually become enlightened.
Then you could become a god yourself. Or a Buddha,

(28:13):
and you know, then you transcend the human form. And
then also some humans are gods incarnate and they come
here with a specific mission, like Jesus, like he came
with a purpose, but he was born into a family
that had a very long cycle of enlightened souls reincarnating.

(28:39):
So yeah, okay, And so Poseidon, the way I see
him too, is different than the way that they show
him to be just like noting and just doing whatever

(29:02):
Zeus wants him to do. I would have I would
have liked to have seen Poseidon be more of a
an emotional god, because the sea represents subconscious and deep emotions,
repressed emotions. They could have personified him like this, like

(29:27):
what is that thing that that psychopath is processing when
they are watching when they're inflicting pain on another and
watching them and processing that, Like I would say, like
that's like that's the dark side of Poseidon. And then
of course there's the other side, which would be, you know,
the good side of Poseidon, which would be there's beauty

(29:50):
in these in the subconscious as well, that connects us
to the underworld, the underworld of like together the spirit realm.
So in the subconscious there is this halfway point between
life and death, from where we originated to where we

(30:15):
out in there where we evolve from all of that
that remain remaining hidden in our subconscious things that go
on without our tension or awareness. And let's see those
are like the main characters so far that appear in

(30:38):
here the way they portray Let's say, Cassandra is a
little strange as well, but they I would have liked
to have seen that character be developed more because I
really like her. And whoever, whoever this actress is does

(31:01):
a really good job too, like it's but they don't
show her in context to where she came from. They
make her look like she's this hobo, this poor person
has to steal cat food to eat. But she was
a princess, and it just doesn't make sense, like why

(31:25):
she run around the streets just like some random person.
She was the freaking princess of Troy. You know her
her father locked her away because she kept telling them
you're gonna lose this war. You know, you better stop.
All these people are gonna die. But she was the
daughter of a freaking king of Troy. And then they

(31:45):
just show her like randomly showing up places, and it
just doesn't make sense either. So those are some things.
But I mean, I'm sorry that I think it's you know, okay,
I'm sorry that I'm so negative about it, but it's
like I just had just kind of a nerd about it. Really,

(32:07):
if if you don't know anything about mythology and then
you watch this, I think that I think that it's
just doing you a disservice because it's setting up prejudices
toward everyone. You know, like when somebody introduces you to
someone and you already have like information about them, it

(32:28):
doesn't matter what they say, you're still going to be
like you got a bias in your head already. Taking
So I would recommend that before you watch the show
is too, maybe watch watch Troy. There's Troy is Is.

(32:50):
I think it probably a better series you start off
watching that. Or And I wouldn't even bother reading these
books because there's just they're just kind of archaic. It's
like the language is so old. I have, I mean,
I have I found a good translation. I'll do that

(33:12):
on the next podcast. It's dark right now, and I
don't have the book near me, but my daughter bought
me this nice book and it's more it's it's easier
to read than all the other stuff that I've read.
And sometimes, you know, like if you're reading a literature,
like it could be a total turn off because it's
just the wording and the way things are said. But

(33:33):
toy is a is a good series. And then once
you start off watching these series, then you'll get like,
you know, you get enough knowledge so that when you
do start reading it, it'll interest you, because otherwise it's
totally not interesting. It's like if you pick up if
you don't, if you've never you know, read any of

(33:54):
this stuff, you go and you get like the Ila
and the Odyssey, and you paid, I was like, this
is stupid, you know, But if you have already been
exposed to it through other, you know ways, then when
you look at you like, oh yeah, I remember that,
and it will just make more sense. And then and
then just you know, we learned when we're interested, So

(34:16):
if there's just a little bit of more interest, then
you'll you'll appreciate it more and and then hopefully you
can get to that point where it's like Frank is
like doing a drug. It's like, wow, this totally shifts
my perspective. It's like, you know how you get that
satisfaction not even a satisfaction, but a life changing experience

(34:37):
from reading scripture where it just it gives you solace
and comfort and it feels like they understand things. It's
so you know, that's so deep and complex that nobody
else can. That's what myth does. It's complex, and that's
what the show is missing. It's complexity, but it's still

(34:58):
better than nothing. Right, I'm glad that it's on the
And another thing about this, I kind of see I
see this happening in real life where there's this des
grab for power because they know what's going away, and
so it's like the ego exploding. Right before the ego explodes,

(35:18):
it's like a shooting star, right. No, it's like a
dying star that gets really big right before it goes out,
and right before you know, people start losing power. They
start scrambling and they start getting desperate to get people
to operate on fear so that they they when you're

(35:42):
afraid of someone, that person has power over you. And
so if they can't get power through respect in genuine
like admiration and appreciation the way the way, let's say
what there actually looking for because they've had that somewhere

(36:02):
and then they've lost it. Let's say they they get
more and more, just like a crack addict. It's like, well,
now it's not the same dosage. When they first did crack,
it was like yay because they had their body was
more pure, and they were like, oh, this is a
great experience. But then after a while they get habituated

(36:27):
to it and it does not the same thing, and
they're not the same person either. So then when they
do it, it's more of a need, and it's a
desperate sort of need. It's the same thing with power.
It starts out as like, oh, you know, look at
my daughter. She graduated with honors from here, and she
cures this and this and this, and it's like, oh, okay, wow,

(36:48):
this person's great. Well then after a while, you know,
it's like, okay, that doesn't do it for you anymore.
Now you need another fix. You need to be somebody
even higher. And then you know, exploring those having an
encounters with people. Some people respect you, some people don't.

(37:08):
And if a person doesn't have that like oh wow,
you're you're God, then they may do something to jar
you into treating them as that you know it just
like when a police officer pulls you over, you have

(37:29):
to be very respectful. If you're not respectful, like most
of them aren't, you know, out to just hey here,
I'm gonna go like walk walk walk, pound my chest,
Hey do you know who I am? It's like most
of them are just doing their job. They're like, uh, yeah,
you're going this, so I got to write you a ticket.
It's not like here I come their boots clamping down,

(37:52):
but that you know, you're gonna see that in all
walks of life, middle management, school teachers, people when they
get a little bit of power, they use it. And
so this is the dark aspect of Zeus, but it's
not all of him. There's the good side of him too,
which is like someone you can trust, somebody you can
look up to as an authority and an expert, where

(38:14):
you know, if you can't make sense of something, they're
there to guide you. You know, they're they're smarter than you,
and they are wiser than you, and they are compassionate rulers.
Like that's great to have. I think people need that.
Like I don't follow that anarchy theory of like no,

(38:36):
we're all born like I think that that it saved us,
like having authority saved us, because you know, if you
could let people just run around do whatever they want,
you expose yourself. I mean most people are good, sure,
but it's good to have laws. And Zeus is the

(38:59):
god of law, the god of law and order, and
but in chaos they just focus on how it's all
been corrupted. So maybe it's because it's the tail end
of his reign. Because there is going to be a
new a new north star as our galaxy. We're shifting

(39:22):
around in our galaxy, so the north star is is
not everything's going to be revolving around it, and so
all of the the planets are going to be shifting
to And the next god that will be presiding over

(39:44):
everyone is more of a an individualist somebody. So this this
so while while Zeus was the god of lawn order,
and the next one will be individuals so not so

(40:06):
there won't be this collective of everybody doing the same
thing and following law and order. But people will be
able to create their own meaning and their own identity,
and it will be humans that are becoming their own rulers.

(40:35):
So as we navigate this for the next thousands and
thousands of years, there's going to be you know, there's
going to be an evolutionary there's gonna be evolutionary changes
throughout that where just like with Zeus, it started out
as chaos and people didn't have you know that they

(40:57):
were like getting away with whatever they needed to get
away with and creating slaves, and then Zeus would you know,
then a new emperor would come and give the power
to the people and be worshiped for a while until
that cycle ended, and then they rebelled, and on and

(41:18):
on and on. So when the next when the next
shift happens, which it's it's already happening right now and
we're feeling the effects, but it won't fully change for
another I think it's something like a thousand years, but

(41:40):
it could be anyways. We're feeling the effects of the
change right now, but it will be in full so
it's a long time away. It's like, yeah, everything's going
to die and the plant is going to die, but worse,
the energy is still going to be here. But I'm
not even going to talk about that kind of stuff
because that's too that's too like who cares, right, who

(42:05):
cares your soul will be here in one thousand years, though,
I promise you that. So where do you want it
to be? Because everything that you do now is going
to put you farther ahead later. It's just I mean,

(42:26):
unless you don't have a soul. I'm sure, I'm sure
everybody that's here has a soul, but there are some
that don't. There are some some that they are. There
are people that that don't operate buy a soul, according
to gnostic texts, and and it's and it's because they

(42:52):
don't choose to if they don't recognize the soul within them,
and they either willingly give their power to others or
unwillingly relinquish them out of hopelessness and despair and giving up.
And while well, they could have a soul, they could

(43:17):
have free will. If you don't have a soul, you
don't have free will. And then you just do It's
like you're just born here. You're like, okay, what's next, next, next,
and you just do whatever you're told. And that's like,
you know, a lot of people do that. That's the majority.

(43:38):
They used to say that animals didn't have souls. Maybe
a lot of animals operate that way too. Maybe they
don't have souls, but some of them do. Some of
them have their own will. Some of them you can
see it, you know, they come back like souls. But
not every single animal. I mean, there's a lot of
a lot of It's just like matter that's being consumed

(44:04):
and just recycled. But the way that it's consumed through
immortals is that it just feeds them to be bigger.
Like slither ioe you know those you know that game

(44:24):
where the snakes go around, they just keep eating, eating
other snakes or other food. So the food particles are
just garbage left on by other slither iOS and the
goal is to eat everything and be the last one standing.
So I mean, I think that's how I see It's
kind of how I see the world with people and

(44:47):
souls is that some of them just die out real fast.
Some of them are just laying around like little scraps
of feed for others, and and then the ones that
are trying. It's like, you know, you keep playing the game,
you get say you got a little bit big. You
come back and I'm gonna do this again. Play the

(45:09):
game again, come back and you get bigger and bigger,
and you get really good at it and get really
good at being human. Okay, thank you so much for
being here with me today talking about Chaos the New
I think it's a Netflix series, and I hope you
I hope I come back next time. I hope I

(45:32):
can do another podcast for you soon. Thank you, Bye,
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