Tree of Life

Reading Gnostic Christian Interpretation of Adam & Eve

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Episode Transcript

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Hi, and welcome back to brainboth. My name is Michelle Panama Dousa.
Now I changed my name. Ichanged it, and gosh, I was
gonna like go into hiding. Youknow, I talk about my cat all
the time. It's just like sucha weirdest thing. I might as well

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continue on with it because I gottaresolve this somehow, right, you guys
want a resolution, like what's thedeal, Like, oh, somebody comes
by, it tells you they takeyour cat, dumping them into the forest.
I mean, there's no resolution toit. I'm my cat's not back
yet, and it's winter and it'sfreezing outside now. So I swear he

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came by though last month. Itwas November tenth, and right before midnight
November eleventh, I heard him howlingand crying. My did too, So
it wasn't like a hallucination. Igot up right away. It was you
know, I heard it right whenI turned off the lights to go to
bed. I mean that's when Iheard him how and it was such a

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sad cry. It was like you'restuck in a tree or it just really
sad. So then I go outthere and I hear it every fifteen minutes
or so, but it's like movingaround like first it's over by like this
bush, and then it's over liketoward the next house down, and it
was just really confusing. I wasvery disoriented, which is it's strange because

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I always had that feeling whenever hewas around, and I only knew it
because I had the trail camera outand I would see afterward I would get
this sense of like just being disorientedand also feeling like a spectacle. Now,
if you guys know me, Iam not afraid to make a fool
of myself and be a spectacle.But when he was staring at me,

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it was just unbearable. It waslike, oh shit, like just super
embarrassing, like you make you know, you ever make an embarrassing like imagine
if you like fell down flight ofstairs and you know, your pants fall
down and everyone's laughing at you.Like that's how bad it felt. And
I just felt like I had togo. Now, looking back all those
times, I was like, whydid I leave? Like I missed opportunities

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because I was just like fretting aboutfeeling like an outsider and humiliated in a
spectacle. And the reason why Ifelt like this in the other neighborhood is
because I would you know, Iwas walking around a neighborhood where it's known
that cats go missing in the gettingby coyotes. And so the fact that

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I was there for so long,like I was there all summer up until
fall, up almost up until Halloween, so like for four months I was
around this area, and so likehalf the people were like, oh,
you know, it's great, youhave tenacity. The other people were like,
you're fucking wacko, like get outof our neighborhood. And so that
was enough to like make me wantto leave all the time I went there

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date, and I felt that,but when my cat would stare at me,
it was something different. It waslike I really need to leave,
and I would. I would leaveearly. Usually I would spend lest like
half an hour or an hour walkingaround. Whenever I would go, you
would go either once or twice aday. So so yeah, that's how

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I felt in November when right outsidemy house, that was the last That
was the last time I stopped goingto that other neighbor looking for him because
I knew he was around here.Well, actually I did go one more
time over there, just just tomake sure. Because you never really know,
You never unless you see something withyour eyes, and even if you

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hear it with your own ears,it's like it was just kind of unbelievable
too, because I just didn't know, like why would you come all the
way home and then not come inthe house. But I guess, you
know, I'm talking to kat expertand hearing other people's stories that have had
cats displaced accidentally. Usually it's notbecause somebody took them away. That's terrible.

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But there was an experiment too.There wasn't where they did this on
purpose and they took cats and theydisplaced them to see to study their homing
instinct. Only one study that Iknow of, and none of the cats
that were indoor returned about so Idon't know about this. I can't say
this is sixty percent of the catsreturned if it was two miles away from

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the house. But they were alllike outdoor access cats that were had outdoor
access for at least a year.So my cat had outdoor access. We've
been here for nine years, tenyears, and the whole time he was
here, he had access outdoors.So he's got a really good established territory

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here, and he was you know, he's in the best shape of his
life when he left, so it'sI don't know, it's just like going
over it and over it. Ijust wanted to be sure because I'm like,
I don't want to, like,I've spent so much time over in
this other area. I don't wantto just like end it and then have
all that work go to waste.But I hadn't seen him there for,

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you know, two months before Icalled off that search in that area,
and then I heard him, Soanyways, I just wanted to clarify that.
So there's one extra day when Iwent there, which was the day
when somebody yelled at me, saying, if you haven't found your cat in
two weeks, he's in at Kyle'sbelly, you know, And I told

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her, I said, well,I found this other cat who was here
for four months and he only livedfive blocks away, and she just got
pissed off. I told you guysthat in the other podcast. I don't
want to go over that again.But so so I heard him, and
I I didn't want to push himaway again like I thought I did before,

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because the one time he's following mearound for three and a half hours,
I thought maybe I'd blown my chancebecause I was did a couple of
things like to try to catch myself, and I left early. I left
because I thought, well, i'llget him tomorrow. He's here, he

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knows I'm here. I didn't seehim again for another ten days. I
read this other blog by this manwho had his cat for three years,
was in his backyard, show uponly once a month on the trail camera,
never went into the trap. Andthen finally, after three years,
the cat shows up at somebody else'shouse, like almost dead because he's starving.

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Somebody picks him up, takes himto the shelter, and that's how
he found him. But for threeyears, the guy was putting up I
don't I can't do this. Thisis like emotionally draining and exhausting. I
mean, what's my point of tellingyou guys all of this. Well,
I guess I guess what it comesdown to is, you know, I

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started studying animal behavior territorial I'm tryingto figure out why is my cat acting
this way? And yeah, sothis lady up in Seattle, she's,
you know, probably the best catexpert that I can even find on the
internet, or that I've ever heardof in books or anything. And she
said that that cats that have outdooraccess, they're the only ones that have

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the homing instinct. They don't understandit because in other animals all the Okay,
so the homing instinct is different inevery species. Cats and dogs and
so on. Dogs don't have They'renot like outdoor dogs right that return home,
or maybe they do. There hasn'tbeen any studies on this. The

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only study that I know is thisis very cruel. They took cats and
they drove them like a couple milesaway, like some of them fifteen miles
away, and some of them returned, like up to thirty miles away.
Very few would return. It's soI can't even believe that they did this.
But we don't know why, Likewhy do they we think that or

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they think that it has something todo with if they're outdoors, they have
more familiarity with like geography. Idon't know. Maybe I know they cats
have a better sense of smell.But so this is a big space that

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needs to be explored. And I'mnot sure what's going on with my cat,
like why he won't just come backlike that. So that's why I've
been getting into animal behavior and territorialism, and then it's just like you guys,
ever, you know what it's likewhen you come to a sudden realization
that's so obvious, but you neverthought of it before because it's like too

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obvious. It's like, okay,so why is it that kittens When you
adopt a kitten, it doesn't goback to where it came from. Or
if somebody gives away an animal oryou know, an animal that was born
in a shelter, they don't returnbecause that's not their home. They know
that's not their home. They don'twhat and what an animal, like a

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cat, feels like it is somethingthat's their home, is something that is
their property. So when you takethat property away from a cat, then
it it suffers displacement because you know, it's like being in a war and
you have to leave your country,that kind of thing, and then you
know there's no home. Everything's different. Even if you go back, you

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don't can't really go back to theway it was before you go back,
and everything's different. You know,there's raccoons and other cats and everyone's acting
different and it's not yours anymore.It's like, did you ever leave a
job, even if you go onvacation, go on vacation for like a
week, and then you come backand everything's different, and it's like you
have to re establish yourself. Well, I mean, I don't know if

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you ever left a job for likea year and then they hire you back
and it's like, yeah, everythingit's never the same. Yeah, it's
like a you gotta start all over. It's not even starting over, it's
being new all over again, exceptyou have some history. So okay,
with that being said, I willget back to Robert Ardy in the future

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podcast. But it's just a lotto digest and meditate on. And we're
we're in the Christmas season right now, so there's a lot of things going
on with that, all right.So I've been wanting to go over more
Gnostic scriptures and the Dead Sea Scrollsand just that kind of religious band material.

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I don't know about you, butsomething never really sat with me with
the Adam and Eve story. Andit's not that it's like anti feminists or
that God is this like cruel dictatorwho you know, puts a curse on
all of our children forever because somebodyate an apple didn't make any sense.

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And so when I first heard thestory, you know, I was a
child, and I just thought,well, you just got to listen to
God. That's why it's like thatstory about George Washington cutting down the tree.
It's just like I just kind oftook it at face value. And
then when I got older and startedyou know, having my own mind,

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that then I just thought that itwas a ridiculous myth. And I didn't
have an appreciation for myth when Iwas a teenager. I just thought it
was all a lie. And myparents are very literal, like you know,
Catholics are Baptist Christian. I don'tknow what my mom was, but
you know, it's just like youjust believe and don't ask any questions,

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and the fact that you're asking aquestion means that you're evil. I didn't
have this like interpretation of it.It was kind of like, yeah,
we all know it's bullshit, butjust go along with it. That's what
I was taught to do, Like, just go along with it because they're
right, you're wrong. They're powerful. You're weaker. They're bigger, they're
stronger, you're smaller. So justdo what you gotta do and stop asking.

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So many questions. You're being difficultwhen you do that. So now
then I'm older and I've done moreresearch and more time to reflect and experience
things. I see mythology not justlike foolish stories that are lies that people
believe. And while that's true,yeah, I just I don't take that

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interpretation anymore. Okay, So theDead Sea scrolls they were at the time,
I guess that was when they wereburning the Romans were burning all of
the the libraries, and there weresome uprisings in Jerusalem, the Jews some
of there was there were some Jewsthat were, you know, saying,
hey, we're not going to goalong with you. We want to keep

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our We're going to keep our youknow, religion, our prophecies intact,
and uh not have Caesar be ourgod. These uprisings went on for hundreds
of years until finally they came tosome kind of mutual agreement. I guess.
Well, they burned down all ofthe all of the the Gnostic which

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would be like Jesus' initial followers.They destroyed that information and they replaced it
with Roman Catholic material that was inLatin. Nobody in jurism spoke Latin Jesus
didn't speak Ladin neither. I don'tthink he did. I guess the Romans
at the times spoke Latin, somaybe they knew it. But the first

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Bible wasn't written in Latin. Itwas written in I guess Aramaic, which
is a dead language. Now,Okay, what happened was these dead sea
squirrels were some of the early Christians. They would put them in glass bottles

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and hide them in caves because theywanted to preserve them for the future generations
after everything was burned down and everyonewas killed for not abiding by the new
formalized, officialized Christianity. So naturallythese texts are going to be different than

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what we have in the Bible.It begins, I'm going to begin here
talking about when Adam was made.After Adam was made, he God left
him as a lifeless vessel since hehad taken form like an aborted fetus with

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no spirit in him. They're talkingabout when they talk about the Chief Creator,
it's like Almighty God. And thenthere's different aspects of the Chief Creator,
which would be the nas. Okay, here's something that is controversial.

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The Gnostics, the first NaSTA Christiansbelieve that the earth was created by demons,
by the demiurge, by Lucifer.There's a I like John Milton's interpretation
of Adam and Eve in the Fallof Satan or the Fall of Lucifer.

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He uses them interchangeably. Lucifer beginsas the highest purest angel, and it's
only when he decides to choose hisown free will rather than obey God,
that's when he fought. He getskicked out of heaven. When he gets

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kicked out of heaven. And I'mgonna go over this real quick. Just
bear with me. I'm only gonnabe reading two pages about from the myth
of or from the story of Adamand Eve that was preserved the Dead Sea
scrolls, and you can see whyit would be different. But first I

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wanted to just go over John Milton, and okay, So John Milton was
a poet in the midst sixteen hundreds. He wrote Paradise Lost, which was
his interpretation of what happened, andhe didn't have access to the Dead Sea
squirrels at that time. He consideredback then poets were considered psychics. He

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was blind and he used to getup in the early hours right before sunrise,
because he said that God told himto get up every day. I
think it was like five thirty am. Something like that, get up
early in the morning and just channelit. So the whole this book is

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it's a very large volume, andit's all in poetry. It's quite beautiful.
He says that he channeled it andthat God told him to write this.
He felt very strongly about writing itbecause he back then there were you
know, as always there was bannedbooks and material. He was a very

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strong proponent of free speech and freedomof the press, and so him writing
this took a great deal of courage, and of course a lot of backlash
from others who said that he wasevil because he sympathized with Lucifer. I
wouldn't even say that he sympathized withhim. I think it's more of just

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a holistic story. It's not justlike you're bad and like Satan's evil and
he's just it's it's more it showsthe complexities of how when people turn evil
and they turn away from God,how they just keep getting more and more
evil to avoid to avoid admitting thatthey're wrong. And so all right,

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let me just kind of summarize thestory real quick. So after Satan is
like, I don't want to servein heaven anymore. I'd rather be free
and make my own choices and dowhat I want to do. Then,
so I'd rather reign in hell thanserve in heaven. So God kicks him

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out, and Lucifer gave birth tosin because the original sin was to go
against God to do your own will. And so he comes down to he's

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in hell and then there's this bigmeeting, like how are we gonna defeat
God so that we're we get outof this hell. Back then it was
Tartarus. Tartarus was a place ofdesire where a person is just like plagued
by desire and it's like they cannever satisfy their desire and so they're in
suffering and it's, you know,the hell of that, that's what that

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is basically. So he they hadthis meeting with the other angels demons that
were about one third of them,followed Lucifer out. They're like, yeah,
hell with this, we're gonna we'regoing to set up our own kingdom.
And because they refused to do God'swill, they they wound up in

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hell. And then there was theydecided, Okay, there was this big
meeting. They basically decided that whatthey're going to do is, since they
couldn't go back into heaven and beGod at his own game, they would
corrupt his most beloved creation, whichwas man. So they'd heard about his

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new creation of human beings on earth. They didn't know where it was,
though, and they they were goingto go look for them or us and
intempt us with corruption and use allof this hellish desire to entice people to

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follow Lucifer, thereby making them strongerthan God. It would not so much
be a way of defeating God,because they knew they couldn't, but at
least they could maybe create a newheaven out of hell. And they wanted

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to make hell a place where peopleor you know, to just make it
a better place, to make itlike equal to Heaven, but in a
different way. So Heaven under Luciferwould be a place of having your desires,

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like I guess, reveling in yourdesires. And maybe even though it
would be unquenchable, there would belike a pleasure in just indulging. It
would be akin to having an addictionand just feeding your addiction, whether it's

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love or drugs or whatever it ismoney power, and so it would be
this constant thing that needs to befed all the time. And that would
be what people would want to aspireto, because you're like, oh,
I could have all the hose andall the boot and heaven. You could
have whatever you want, your heart'sdesire, and even though it would never

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be fulfilled, you know, youat least would be able to have access
to indulging. All right, Sothat's what they thought. This would be
better than heaven, right, becausewe get to do whatever we want.
So, so Lucifer is guarded bythe gate that was he forgot his own

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daughter, which okay, so Sinin back then meant purpose or wilful ignorance
and forgetting God purpose. So hegave birth to Sin. She came out
of his head or something like thatby disobeying God. And then Sin he
had sex with his daughter and thengave birth to death because there was no

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death before that. And then afterhe, you know, Lucifer and Sin
made it. Then they gave birthto death, and death and Sin made
it, and they gave birth tothese a pack of dogs, the hounds
of hell that would follow Sin aroundand just torments her. Okay, So

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with that being said, that willprovide some kind of background information to what
we're about to read now. AfterAdam was made, the Almighty God left
him as a lifeless vessel, sincehe had taken form like an aborted fetus
with no spirit in him. Regardingthis, when the Chief really remembered the

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word of Pistus, he was afraidthat the true human might come into his
fashion body and roll over it.Because of this, he left this fashion
body forty days without soul, andhe withdrew and left him. But on

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the fortieth day, Sophia Zoe senther breath into Adam, who was without
soul. He began to move uponthe earth, but he could not stand
up. Now the Rulers came.So this would be the Demi years,
the demons who create, who ruledthe earth and created man as we know

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him. Now. The first Adamand Eve were supposed to be like these
giants or different kind of people.And so when the seven Rulers came,
as they're very much disturbed, andthey walked up to him and seized him.

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Wait you know what, Oh gosh, I'm sorry, I can't edit
this. You guys, gotta forgiveme, all right. So where the
chief creator here is? They're talking, So the chief creator is is like
a demon or a devil. Priorto that man that God made was perfect,

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and then Lucifer came with his angelsand corrupted man, and then he
created it a new man. Okay, So in the Bible it says that
Almighty God created Adam and Eve,but in the Nastic Scripture Scriptures, it
says that Adam and Eve were createdby the demiurge. Okay, I just

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clarified that. I'm sorry, guys. I you know, I just picked
this up and I've been wanting toread this for a long time, and
it's you let me tell you somethingreal quick. Two page These two pages
fell out of the book, andso I just kind of like put him
in my folder and then I wasjust like looking at it today and I
was like, oh man, whydo I got these two pages here?
I should do a podcast on it. So you know, this is how

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I jumped on this right here,because I found it really interesting because I
just got finished watching a documentary aboutParadise Lost. So okay, so after
Adam was made the demon or theLucifer or whatever you want to call him
by the demi whi should we callhim? They call him the Chief Creator.

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So the chief Creator on earth,whoever he is, I don't know.
They just call him the Chief Creatorleft him as a lifeless vessel.
So he's like, okay, there'sman. He's like an aborted fetus,
abandoned whatever. Who cares about thisguy? So, in keeping with the
prophecy that God God is going tocreate this, this most beloved race who's

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gonna be a reflection of him andmade in his image, they can't go
outside of the prophecy. So thenthey just kind of reinterpret it and they
make it different. So then you'renot really you're keeping an alignment with fate,
but you're just like reinterpreting the story. Okay, So regarding this,
when when the chief Ruler, theevil chief Ruler remembered the word of Pistas,

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he was afraid because remember in theBible says and then God, you
know, in the beginning there wasthe word Okay, so this word is
I guess whatever Pistus says. Hewas a afraid that the true human might
come into his fashion body and ruleover it. And because of this,
he left the fashion body for fortydays without a soul, and then he

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withdrew and left him. But onthe fortieth day, Sophia Zolways sent her
breath into Adam, who is withoutsoul. He began to move upon the
earth, but he could not standup. And now when the seven rulers
came and saw him, they werevery much disturbed. They walked up to
him and seized him, and thechief ruler said to the breath within him,
who are you and where have youcome from? It's interesting that they

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describe it. He didn't speak tothe person. He spoke to the spirit
in the person. This is whatexorcists do, by the way, one
of the Okay, so when inperforming an exorcism, you speak to the
spirit of the person, you saywho are you? And then the spirit
because you know, if you havethe power of you know, God grants

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you the power to have minion ofhumans, to have dominion over all of
the demons. All humans have morepower than demons do. But we don't
really see it that way because we'vebeen taught that all these demons like there's
something to be fear. They're morepowerful, they're invisible, and they got
like special supernatural forces. But thething is, they don't have free will,

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and the only way they could getfree will is to act through us
and to corrupt us. So aslong as we don't allow them to corrupt
us, they have no power overus. And they have to We can
command them, and they have tolisten to us. So when the spirits
talk to each other, they they'rerequired to tell the truth and who are

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you and wherever you came from?And it answered, I came through the
power of the human for the destructionof your work. See it answers like,
why would you answer the question nowhonestly? But that's what it did.
It answered the question honestly, Icame here through the power of a
human for the destruction of your work. And when they heard this, they
glorified him because he gave them restfrom their fear and concern. I'm like,

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oh, good, okay, well, at least I know who to
look out for, and it's you, and now I could just handle you.
And so that's why they called itthe day of rest, because they
rested themselves from their troubles. Andthen when they saw that Adam could not
stand up, they rejoiced, andthey took him, and they left him
in paradise, and then they withdrewup to their heavens. This is so

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different from the story in the Bibleright where says on the seventh day,
God, you know, he mademad and then he saw that it was
perfect and he rested. Well,no, it's like they actually it wasn't
perfect at all. It was.It was like they just I don't know,
like regained control over a wild cardlike Adam, because Adam was prophesied

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to have dominion over the earth whileinstead of the demiurge, instead of the
demons. Okay, so Eve givesAdam life. After the day of rest,
Sophia's wisdom right, Sophia sent Zoe, her daughter, who was called
Eve, so Zoe is Eve,as an instructor to raise up Adam and

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whom there was no soul, sothat those whom he would produce might become
vessels of the light. And whenEve saw her male partner cast down,
she pitied him, and she said, Adam live, rise up on the
earth. Immediately her word became anaccomplished deed. For when Adam rose up,
immediately he opened his eyes, andwhen he saw her, he said,

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you will be called the mother ofthe living because you are the one
who gave me life. So she'shis mother and she's also his lover.
And this is in Genesis three twenty. It says the same thing, you
will be called the mother of aliving because you are the one who gave

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me life. Now, how isit that this statement it doesn't contradict that
she was made from his rib right? That thing that's what always bugged me,
like me from a rib like itdoesn't make any sense. Like I
would search for interpretations, and nothingever seemed to fit with it until okay,

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So the cosmic rulers rape the earthlyEve. And then the authorities were
informed that their fashioned body was aliveand had risen, and they were very
much disturbed. They sent seven archangelsto see what had happened. They came
to Adam, and when they sawEve speaking with him, they said to
one another, who is this enlightenedwoman? For she truly resembles the likeness

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that appeared to us in the light. Now, come let us seize her
and cast our seed into her,so that when she she is polluted,
she will not be able to ascendto her light. But those whom she
bears will serve us. But letus not tell Adam, because he is
not from us. Rather, letus bring a stupor upon him and suggest
to him in his sleep that shecame into being from his rib, so

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that the woman may serve and hemay rule over her. So that's extremely
different from what we hear in theBible when the Bible says, oh,
so God made a partner for man, and he took out a rib and
he made eve. Well, hereyou have these demons conspiring, and they're
like, let's make him, youknow, let's bring a stupor upon him,
make him drunk or something, andthen suggest to him in his sleep

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that or maybe a delusion or theycast some kind of delusion, like you're
better than this woman. You mustrule over her. She is made from
you. And they appeal to hisdelusional sense of superiority and want of superiority
and entitlement. So he believed itfrom his own sin. Now, I

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don't know if you guys are familiarwith theosophy and like Masonry. So Madam
Blovotsky was the psychic who she wrote. She wrote some books that the Masons
follow it's like the is it theRosa Crucians. I don't okay, I'm

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not an expert on this. Ijust read a few o her books.
And when I got to this partabout the seven root races, which is,
this is what they're talking about here, there's seven, there's seven archangels,
there's seven races, there's seven whatare they saying? Seven types of

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people? Okay, So when Igot to that part, I just I
couldn't buy it because it just seemedlike like some kind of fabricated anthropology or
something where they talk about there's likethis is their explanation of why there's different

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races. And she really believed,and you know, she wrote extensively about
the seven root races that there's likethe white man's burden and then there's not
all people have souls, and andthen I started getting out, my god,
I don't know, I just Idon't want to get into some like
weird cultish type of racism. Sothat's as far as I got with theosophy.

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But here again, this is they'retalking about it. It's so anyways,
then Eve, since she existed asa power, laughed at their false
intension. She darkened their eyes andsecretly left her likeness there with Adam,
she entered the Tree of Knowledge andremained there. They pursued her, and
she revealed to them that she hadentered the tree and had become the tree.

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And when the blind ones fell,and then the blind ones fell into
a great fear and they ran away. This is a mystery to me.
This is similar to the Apollo andDaphne story where Apollo gets struck by Cubid
zero and he first one he seeshis Daphne, who's like this nymph in
the forest. It's sort of like, you know, she life was perfect

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for she didn't have any man.She was just like free and kind of
childlike and innocent. And then youhad this like man like winding out sax
with her and she's like running fromfleeing. Well, she runs into the
laurel tree and turns into the tree, and then he pines for her for
the rest of it, you know, their existence and so there you know,

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later on you get like when thepoets would win a prize the the
the Laureate, you know how ithas a symbol of the laurel on well,
they call the Laureate from the laureltree, because that's what they used
to give the great poets to symbolizetheir wisdom. All right, a lot
of mysteries here, and I don'tknow. I mean, I see coincidences

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and stuff. But apparently, liketurning into a tree back then was considered
some kind of I don't know,like empowering or I don't Why would they
be afraid that she turned herself intoa tree? I don't know. You

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get the Kapala tree, and there'ssome kind of significance to the tree that
I don't even understand. So that'ssomething that if I ever do figure it
out, I'll let you guys know. But it says here in the footnote
even becoming a tree resembles the mythof Daphne changing into a laurel tree.
Also see the Secret Book of Johnand the reality of the Rulers. So

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yeah, they talk about that againhere. So okay, they fell into
a great fear and they ran awaywhen she turned into this tree. What
kind of tree was? What isthe Kabbala tree? And like, we
know there's a laurel tree, butwhat kind of tree is that? Let's

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see afterward, when they sobered upfrom their stupor. They came to Adam,
and when they saw the likeness ofthat woman with him, they were
troubled, thinking that this was thetrue Eve, and they acted recklessly and
came to her and seized her andcast their seed upon her. So they
raked her, and they did itdeceitfully, defiling her not only naturally but

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also abominably, first defiling the sealof her voice, which had spoken with
them saying what is it that existsbefore you? So they have to answer,
what is it that exists before you? Like where did you come from?
How did you come from? Youknow when they say nothing, something
came from something, Nothing came fromnothing. When you're making she's making them

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acknowledge God, who they want tonot even think about. They meant to
defile those who might say, atthe consummation of the age, what is
the consummation of the age? That'sanother thing too, they meant to say.
They meant to defile those who mightsay, at the consummation of the
age that they had been born ofa true human by means of the word.

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So humans we talk, right,We have words, spells, We
manifest things with our our ability tocommunicate. What it is we're going to
make so we say it and thenwe do it, and that makes us

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god like and so, and thenthey were deceived, not knowing that they
had to filed their own body.It was the likeness that the authorities and
their angels defiled in every way.I don't know, I don't mean this
is why. I don't know ifit's like the translation, or if it's

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just my missing a lot of background, or maybe there's you know, sometimes
like trying to find meaning in somethingthat that you know. Sometimes I come
like when I first read the NastikScriptures, like ninety of it, eighty
to ninety percent of it went rightover my head. And then I would
start learning about mythology and learning aboutother religions and stuff, and then you

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know, just their meditation, thena lot of it makes sense, but
there's a lot of mystery here still. The first atom of light is spiritual
and appeared on the first day.The second atom as a person with soul
and appeared on the sixth day,called called aphrodite or hermaphrodite. So the

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second atom was a was a hermaphrodite. What do you guys think about that?
Hermaphrodite came from Aphrodite in Hermes Mercury, the goddess of love and the
messenger God. The third atom isearthly, that is, a man of

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law, who appeared on the eighthday after the rest of poverty, which
is called Sunday. And now theprogeny of the earthly atom multiplied and was
completed and produced within itself all thetechnical skill of the atom with soul.
All but all were in ignorance,the trees of Paradise and the beast.

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Next, let me continue. Whenthe rulers saw him and the woman who
was with him, erring an ignorancelike beast, they rejoiced greatly when they
learned that an immortal human was notgoing to pass them by, but that
they would even have to fear thewoman who had turned into a tree.
They were troubled and said, isthis perhaps the true human who blinded us
and taught us about the defiled womanwho was like him, that we might

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be conquered. And then the seventook counsel. They came to Adam and
Eve timidly, and they said tohim, the fruit of every tree created
for you in Paradise may be eaten, but beware, don't eat from the
Tree of Knowledge. If you doeat, you will die. And after
that they gave them a great fright, and they withdrew up to their authorities.

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And then came the one who waswiser than all the creatures, who
was called the Beast. When hesaw the likeness of their mother Eve,
he said to her, what isit that God said to you? Don't
eat from the Tree of Knowledge.Now when he's saying God, he's talking
about the the demiurge the demons didso the great Creator, not the almighty

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create, but the head of theseven Councils of Demons, tells her,
just don't eat this tree of knowledge. He said, not only don't eat
from it, but also don't touchit lest you die. He said to
her, don't be okay. Sothen this great Beast says, don't be
afraid. You certainly shall not die, for he knows that when you eat

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from it, your mind will besobered and you will become like God's knowing
the difference between evil and good people. For he said this to you because
he's jealous, so that you wouldnot eat from it in the Okay,
So here's the footnote in the presenttext from Genesis three point one to three
five. In the present text,the serpent is a gnostic hero since it

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understands knowledge and the tree of knowledgeand the plot thickens, and a lot
of religious texts, the serpent isconsidered wisdom, and it's not evil.
It's regenerative and represents well, likethe oraboris, which is the It's like

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the continuous circle cycle of like acosmic cycle of karma. Very different than
our traditional Roman Catholic interpretation of theserpent. So now Eve believed the words

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of the instructor. She looked atthe tree, and she saw that it
was beautiful and appealing, and shedesired it. She took some of its
fruitinate, and she gave it toher husband, and he ate it too.
And then their minds opened, forwhen they ate, the light of
knowledge shown for them. When theyput on shame, they knew that they
were naked would regard to knowledge.And when they sobered up, they saw

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that they were naked, and theybecame enamored of one another. And when
they saw that their makers had beastlyforms, they loathed them. They understood
a great deal. And when therulers knew that Adam and Eve had transgressed
their commandment. They entered Paradise andcame to admonive in an earthquake and a
great threat to see the results ofthe help that was given. Then Adam

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and Eve were very much disturbed andhid under the trees in paradise. The
rulers did not know where they were, and said, Adam, where are
you? He said, I amhere, but because of you I hid.
After I became ashamed. But theysaid to him in ignorance, who
is the one who spoke to youof the shame that you put on?
Unless you ate from the tree?He said, the woman whom he gave

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me, she's the one who gaveit to me, and I ate it.
And then they said to that woman, what is this you have done?
And she answered and said, theinstructor is the one who incited me,
and I ate. And then therulers came to the instructor. Their
eyes were blinded by him, sothat they were not able to do anything
to him. They merely cursed him, since they were powerless. Afterward,

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they came to the woman and theycursed her and her offspring. After the
woman, they cursed Adam and theearth and the fruit because of him,
and everything that they created they cursed. There is no blessing from them.
Good could not come from evil.And since that day the authorities knew that
truly there was something stronger than they. They would not have known except that

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their commandment was broken. They broughta great envy into the world only because
of the immortal human. This isalso a verse in Genesis three six to
nineteen. Now, when the rulerssaw that their atom had acquired a different
knowledge, they wanted to test him. They gathered all the domestic animals and

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wild beasts of the earth and birdsof a heaven, and brought them to
Adam to see what he would callthem. And when he saw them,
they gave them names. And theywere troubled because Adam had sobered up from
all this ignorance, all the trials. They gathered together and took counsel and
said, look, Adam has becomelike one of us, so that he

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understands the difference between light and darkness. Now, perhaps he will be deceived
as the tree of knowledge, andwill come to the Tree of life and
eat from it and become immortal andrule and condemn us and regard us and
all our glory as folly. Sothen what do you guys think of that?

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Are we destined to be come commandersof the creators of earth? And
does the cycle continue? And whatwe create, they'll become commanders of us
as well. This is what thethe in the the snake regenerate of type

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of cycles, with each shedding ofskin and becoming bigger and more of what
we are. We keep evolving bythe consumption, consumption of the ages,
consummation of the ages. Well that'swhat that prophecy says. I'm not like,

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I don't know what to think.I don't know, you know,
a lot of it's like I wouldn'ttake everything literally, but there is a
lot of truth in myth and theGnostics. You know, the reason why
they have the fish as their symbolof Christianity is because of the parable of

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when Jesus said that we're like fish, who we can see. We're in
the water. That's all we knowis what's happening under the water. We
look up, we see the reflecting, we could see shadows above us,
but we have no understanding of what'sin that realm, of what's in the
higher heavens, where Jesus said hecame from, and so he came here

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to uplift us so that we could, I guess, understand what God is
instead of instead of being underwater andjust you know, I think I just

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over explain that at this point.Well, that's what the fish metaphor actually
represents, and it's one of thereasons why I wanted to change my name
to Panama. So now my nameis Michelle Panama Panma Dousa. You know.
Medusa also is you know, depictedas having snakes all over her head

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because of wisdom. She was adevotee of Athena, who goddess of wisdom
that was also demoniced. But likeI you know, and a lot of
symbols like for for the medical staff, right, there's a snake around that,
and nobody seems to bad an eyeto it. We see snakes all

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the time, and they're not alwaysdepicted as like evil Hermie's staff, I
I think, does he have aserpent around that? Asclepius, the god
of medicine, had a wisdom snakeattached to him. So yeah, it's

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kind of trippy, Like, youknow, I sit here and read this
stuff, and I'm I'm not goingto be able to understand it unless I
have the historical perspective intact. Andit's just like, yeah, I'm sorry
that I'm not a scholar with this. I'm just like that's a hobby for
me. But I hope that itinspires you guys. You know, just

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some food for thought. And ifI come across more information about gosh,
what the tree? What is?That's another thing, Like I don't understand
the Kabala tree. Maybe I'm surea lot of people do. It's like
a lot of people seem to theyget the Kabbala tattoo and of the tree
of life and wisdom, Like Idon't understand, Like what is that actually

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supposed to mean? In in Buddhism, there is this symbol of I don't
know, would it be Buddhism,but okay, So the flower of the

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tree turns into a fruit and thenit drops, and then there's seed and
then it grows another one. Sothere's like a symbol of eternal life.
I get that. I get theit's eternal and that it changes and that
it multiplies. You know, Ican understand that, but I you know,
to be honest with you, likeI try to read the Kabala and

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I don't understand it, and I'dlike to, but you know, you
gotta know what you don't know atleast, so it's always been on my
to do list. I do wantto understand the Kabbala, and I would
like to learn more about like numerologyand that sort of thing, but I
do have a hesitation to getting intooccultism, like which is why I walked

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away from theosophy, because I justthought, oh, this is like getting
into some weird type of like superiorityand race war and stuff I don't know,
not race wars, but like awhite man's burden, which is when

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I decided to walk away from it. I wonder, I wonder if if
people that hate people have access topower, how would they how would they

(53:31):
treat people. You know a lotof people say I hate people, like
I can't stand and I I justwant to get away from people. Yeah,
you hear that all the time.And it's not like a it's not
like a very It's an understandable statementsometimes because we do have a lot of

(53:52):
stuff about us that it's not verypleasant. But when you know, I
was watching this movie and for liketen minute, I can't I couldn't eve
watch some that I was terrible.Sorry, but it's like this movie with
it's called what the heck? It'sEthan Hawk and Julia Roberts. It's like,

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I don't even know, to behonest, it was such a terrible
movie. It's like they're trying toget away from it all because she says
she hates people and so they're themost boring people. Like I'm like,
what, I couldn't understand the movie. I'm like, these are the most
boring people. Why am I watchingthis? I guess their internet goes out
or something and then they're all stucktogether. But I couldn't get past ten

(54:45):
minutes of it just because it justdidn't make any sense to me. So
it just made me think, though, like you hear this all the time,
and I had. I had thisattitude for a lot, and once
in a while I get into afunk where I'm like, ah, hey,
people, and I don't want tobe a hermit, but what do
you think happens when people in charge? They have those moments and they can

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do whatever they want to us,and then they are like not living in
the struggle like a lot of usare, and then they probably think they're
better than us, and gosh,I can only I don't even know if

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I blame them either. Sometimes becauseI'm like I look around, I'm like,
wow, we're really screwing things upa lot. Like it's common to
think, oh, somebody else isgoing to take care of it. You
know, there's a scene in thismovie. I'm sorry, I don't remember
the name. It's not even important, I don't think. I mean,
if you guys are interested, justlook up at Ethan Hawk and Julia Roberts

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thing. It's like getting away fromthe world or something. Okay, I
don't even want to go on onthis, but anyways, in the movie,
they're sitting on the beach and thisbig ship comes up, and everyone's
sitting there to the last minute becausethey figure, oh, this is perfectly
normal. It's like there's a bigfriggin' ship coming right at you, and
you don't leave until it gets rightup to shore. It's like there's absolutely

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no sense of survival skills left inus. It's like we're all just like
somebody else will do it. Somebodyelse will. Oh, there's a bunch
of homeless people aren't. Well thegovernment will take care of it. Well,
nobody else cares. I won't care, Like what is that? Like,
how do we get to that point? I don't know. So sorry

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that this is kind of like alow effort type of podcast. But I
guess what is taking place here isthat there's just a lot of mystery in
these scriptures and maybe there's nothing reallyto it. Maybe it's just a bunch
of made up stuff, but atleast it's better. This interpretation is better

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than the original was, Like,yeah, it's so good. So animal
was sleeping and then like you know, God came and took a ribout,
so that explains why women have womenhave more ribs. And it's like what
the girll are we teaching? Likewhy are we believing this stuff if you're
taking it literally, Like what's thewhole point? So therefore, because women

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were made from man, than manhas theminion over it? Like how no
other animals are like that? Noother animals would like relinkash their offspring to
like appease a peace the men.No, no bears, you don't mess
with a mother and take your kidor you know, try to get her

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to like not be you're the parentof her. Like I just I think
that our whole species is kind ofwarped because of because of what we we
we we don't have any you know, sense of self reliance or we've lost

(58:12):
our touch with our our own abilityto fend for ourselves and think for ourselves,
think for ourselves. Yeah, haveour own minds, just like looking
around, like what am I supposedto do? Like can I do?
Sometimes I find my you know,I find myself doing that a lot.
I'm like, uh, can Imake tarot cards with AI images? It's

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like, yeah, do what youwant to do? Like why I need
permission? Like is it a realtarot card deck? If I make the
pictures myself. I don't know whyyou ask and stuff like that, or
like can I like why can't Ijust make my own furniture? It's like
that's unheard. You're supposed to doit like this, Like did you ever

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like, hey, Google, whoam I my law to? Can I
can I like make my own clothes? And I don't know about you.
I'm sure that there's a lot ofartists who never ask, you know,
they're just like super weird and justput on freaking a hobo, you know,
costume and walk around and you knowthey can own it and have confidence.

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But for the majority of us,we're like looking around like, uh,
it's my hair, Okay, doI smell funny? Yeah? We
care about what other people think.That's like, I don't know, it's
just socialization or something. All right, guys, well, thank you for
being here with me today. Ihope you have a wonderful rest of the

(59:42):
year. I'm going to try tocome back and actually get back into Robert
Ardrey and his playwrights. They're fascinating. I watch this movie, The Four
Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and it'sit's about it's about the Nazis taking over

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in Paris and there is a resistanceand so anyways, it's about like,
you know, nobody wants to picka side until they're forced to. So
there's this guy who just loves lifeand his grandfather taught him to love life
and to not get political, becausewhen you get political then it's just like

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just try to you know, justlove people, be a good person,
enjoy life, stay neutral like Switzerland, and his father is from Argentina,
so he had seen a lot ofthe nastiest parts of human nature and he's
like, just don't get don't don'tgo into any of that. And this
guy was aristocratic. I don't knowif there was a world technologist here at

(01:00:52):
the time, but he had money. He was wealthy, and he was
in Paris and just trying to havea good time. And then eventually,
you know, every it comes outto it. Eventually everyone it becomes personally
affected by a tyrannical regime, likethe Nazis when they when they had it.
So, yeah, it was agood movie and it was the only

(01:01:16):
one I watched from him. Hehe did Madam Bowie and well he didn't
write Madame Bovery, but he didthe screenplay for it. So so he
did some screenplays for some some someoperas and novels. And I'm just getting

(01:01:38):
into it, like I like,I just discovered this guy a few months
ago, and there's so much toto learn about him. I think that
he may have been canceled or censoredor I don't know why he is not
well known anymore, because at thetime he was the most famous writer in

(01:02:01):
Hollywood. He was he was Iguess grandfathered in by It's a Goldwyn.
I don't know what I have togo back and look at this guy's name.

(01:02:22):
But anyways, he wound up movingto Italy and he died at an
old man, like eighty years old. But so I have a few of
his books now, and I'm I'mexcited to get into it. I just
want to make sure that I knowwhat I'm talking about, not like,

(01:02:42):
you know, I don't want tojust be glossing over stuff that I haven't
gone over and reflected on. Iactually did reflect on this for a long
time, by the way. Imean, since I was a child thinking
about a Neve stories, reading youknow, all sorts of interpretations. And

(01:03:04):
then I'm still like, not really, not really one hundred percent persuaded that
this other story about the Devil's creatingpeople on Earth. I don't really like
to buy that. But it's somethingthat, you know, I'll think about

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a little bit more and sometimes Isometimes I can see it, and then
other times I don't want to seeit. So let me know what you
guys think. And thanks for beinghere with me today on Brainbow, and
hope to see you next time.