Angel Fernandez - Coaches Corner

This week our hosts Colm, Ryan and Ciaran speak to future hall of fame trainer and the man trusted as Anthony Joshua's new head trainer. They talked to him about growing up in Spain, how he got into coaching and so much more

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next guy on Portune for weeks andso please welcome future Hall of Fame coach

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and current Anthony Joshwa Richard Poor,Fraser Clark and Cameloy coach Angel Fernandez.
I'm good, thank you. Justlet me correct you with the facts of
like a future hell of thing nowthat yeah, is that as the goal?
That's the goal? Angel, Icould I could have wore you Irish
when you come on as yeah,I love that, yeah, al or

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obviously to have you on the show. I have been patttern you for ages
and with this show. I knowyou're another listener and you've listened to every
podcast now you told me in thepast month, so you know how it
goes. We want to bring itright back to the start, So tell
us about you. You grew upin Spain. For you obviously kind of

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like thank you guys, just togive them the opportunity, you know,
I just like to talk. Ithink it's kind of like I'm a person
that I like to keep things quiet, just to stay behind the cameras.
But and I think kind of likeit gets to a moment where I think
a lot of people, you know, maybe they need to know about my
background, which I have spoken inprevious interview is just like a few things.

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But for those that are kind oflike that said, kind of like
that to angew the success came thatearly. Let me talk a bit about
my my background. I came fromSpain. You know, I left my
mom and dad I think eighteen,and I don't want anyone to kind of

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like feel sorry for me, youknow, but I came from a house
where my dad was an alcoholic.My dad was already in my house with
no work. I think it waslike twenty six, twenty seven years of
age. My mom become the manin the house. I think it was
my mom to see my mom howhard she has to work to bring the

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family up. To bring myself toto kind of like at the same time,
look after the after my dad,and I think I take kind of
like the hard work, the dedication, the consistency, the discipline from her.
So obviously I seen I left mymom and dad house is for for

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a better future, you know,just that because I was sitting in my
turn and I was thinking, inthis place, I'm not gonna be having,
you know, the life that alwaysone dream, you know, just
to to have these things, tolive a better life. You know.
I went to it, to theCanary Islands, and I was just asking
people, you know, knocking onpeople's door, asking for the for work.

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I work in every kind of jobyou could ever think of, carpentry,
building work, doing the roads,or working in the nighttime doing cocktails.
Then I came into this country andI done again. I was like

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picking and packed in in a warehouse, you know, like golf clubs,
working agescy work. While I wasdoing my amateur career. Um, I
don need. I work as agardener, just taking the compost and things
like that, delivering to people's houseswhile I was still doing amateur. Then

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I kind of like I try becauseI always was in both in sports.
I always was in Spain, Iwas like doing kid boxing. I was
doing boxing when I came here.I wanted to continue that that road of
being a boxer, and my dreamwas always being a professional boxer. That
was always my dream, and that'swhat kind of like I had in my

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mind at the time of like,okay, keep working, you know,
but I wanted to find a wayof of become professional boxer. So as
an amateur boxer and I go intowork was which he was doing event work,
so I could be working from oneam to seven am in the morning.

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I could start working at three amin the morning till two o'clock.
I didn't know every day the timesthat I was going to work because the
company I was working for, theywere good at kind of like last minute
jobs, so if the following daythey needed someone, okay, we'll have
to go and do that job.So sometimes it was okay eight to four,

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but that was not always the case. And this is kind of like
just a quick brief grief of likemy my early life. I couldn't do
i'mti boxing because I was not consistencywith the braining. I couldn't go to
the gym because at the times Iwas working. So I got into kind

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of like a depression and knowing todrinking or anything like that, but I
didn't kind of like got to apoint where I just didn't have any desire
to to do anything. I wasin my house a lift of benefits for

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a little while, you know,and I think I just run my mom
and I just cried and I said, I I think I just need to
go back to to to Spain andjust like with be with my parents,
you know. And I think itwas like the people around me, like
my girlfriend that said, listen,you've always been in both in in in

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fitness. You're always work fit guy, you know, you always like to
be kind of like doing something.Why don't you do personal training course?
And I started doing that. I'vedone a lot of free work, you
know, like doing what I couldof of doing a few hours of working
here through the agency up there,going to go with some pty just to

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learn, you know how. Shewas doing book camps, et cetera for
free and paid. And luckily Ifound my friend back again who it was
Danny Connor, which he was theone that opened me the doors to professional
boxing because he was a professional box, and I said, listen, if

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you need anybody in your gym justlike to do circuits or anything, please,
you know, I'm here. Andhe said, you know, well,
let me speak to the coach.So he spoke to the coach.
I went there to see the coach. He said, yes, no problem.
I started doing kind of like thecircuit training, the typical kind of
like okay, okay, oh justgo and see and you just like do

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that. But my goal there wasI wanted to do more. I wanted
to get into coaching, you know, because boxing gave me so much,
and I know it might didn't giveme so much in terms of the amateur
back. From a spiritual point ofview, it was give me like something
that you know when like you kindof like no, no, not being

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bullied, but you kind of likeit was I don't know how to how
to explained by it was giving mesomething that I was feel proud about,
you know, just like yes,and I'm just get into fighting and just
like release that into into a intothe ring and the fight and going back
into that into into the gym into start training fighters. You know,

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like even if it was like givingwater or anything, I wanted to be
doing that. I said, Iwanted to be a coach, please,
like, will you help me?And he said, listen, my Rahan
just left. Do you want tobe Marahan? And I was like yes,
of course. And that's what peopledon't understand. It's like they just
think that I just come out outof the bloom and hell, hello Anthony,

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to just run me. And it'snot the catch. I've been doing
two hours every day, so wakeup at six well, working at six
am in the morning till nine,leaving at nine o'clock. My pet place
to go to London. I'm paidbeing there training fighters, back train my
clients, and I've done this fora long time. After that, I

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went to west Ham Boxing Gym exactlythe same. But I got to a
point that I was thinking, Ineed to start doing this for myself.
I need to start kind of likecoaching people. That's when I kind of
like go in touch with j Rubio, going in touch with salaries. They
the Horford was the one that kindof like open me the doors. He

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told me a lot of things,you know, you know the Cubans,
how like the Cuban style. Yes, and then we go back again down
to history that Again, a lotof people relate my philosophy or my wife
of teaching to Cuban style. Myteaching is not Cuban. Start just I
learned from a Cuban. But ittook me a long time to start understanding,

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to start reading, to start kindof like discovering other coaches are the
kind of like boxing schools, theMexican, the the American school, the
Soviet school. What did they dothat kind of like we don't do?
What did they do that we don'tdo? And I start kind of life
and the standing, and they slowlystart bringing my own philosophy. I quite

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like the way these guys move thefig col Okay, they the best of
this. I picked this. Tome, they good with this, with
the fundamentals, with the Okay,I picked this. And that's how it.
Slowly, you know, I startto kind of like training people.
And I was training this like heavyMarcus Williams at my time, and call

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it lucky, call it I don'tknow why, are like God, as
aid Champerly just lost the fire againstthe Colly came to the gym, and
I think we did a good workagainst Watkins. And I think the changes
in Isaac was what took me toto to Yoshia because josh said to me,

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like, I've been watching you forfor for a time, so I'm
not coming out of the blue intointo kind of like this this boxing my
mom always told me, and Isaid this early, just like the hard
work. And if people thinks like, oh, Andrew, it's not the
man for the world, and listen, I'm not. I'm not here based

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on people's opinions because if I wouldlisten to people's opinions, I wouldn't be
what I am today. And anotherthing is as well, like I am
my own person. I have myown my own mentality. I'm very clear
in what I want. And thepeople are hating, which is a lot,

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and I completely understand because who issend you, what is sen you
come from, how you send yourtraining, and it's going to become the
main trainer for for Anthony Joshua.But let me tell you something. These
people will become fans soon and againthe will become haters back again, because
life is a circle. Yeah,sometimes we win and sometimes we lose.

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But I don't sleep on victories andI don't need to sleep on on on
losers. I remain the same becausethe victory and the defeat always teach me
something. How can we get better? As this myself every single day,

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I'm a hard worker. And youcould think, oh, it's with now,
Joshua is with Richard, Reacto's trainingFraser, He's training Giro Molloy.
I could easy to go. They'revery good fighters. Yes, I'm lucky
to have these fighters. But I'mnot just sitting back and just think poor.
No, this makes me work evenharder, even harder than I've ever

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done before. When people talk,oh, any Fernandez, let me describe
it to you, Anthony, healso is making me a better a better
coach. How he is not makinga better coach. How Kiran is not
making me a better coach. HowRichard is not making me a better coach.
How phrases is not making a bettercoach. Each person teach me something
different. I have to understand thepersonalities. I have to understand what can

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I get the best out of thisguy on a day to day basis.
They have things in grain within themselvesthat I don't know. Even the Gray
managed to forty one World champions.He even learned from a who lists a
service. Even Topola Tito when hewas training with Alesis. You know,
he kept fifty percent of the trainingthroughout every single trainer that has been after

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after Awayo, even Marcus said,oh God, with the coach of faith,
Marcus said, forgot a certain name. But he even said, I
look back at the previous trainers whetherwe're doing and we kept that fifty percent
that him from the first trainer.And that's what I'm doing with with with
Jos. I'm not gonna change him. I'm not gonna change him. I'm

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gonna bring him, bring him himback to who he won was. And
I know, like I'm not passingthat kind of like talk, and I'm
like, I'm confidence. Yes,I'm confidence, and I see answering.
Yes, it's gonna win. He'sgonna win the Spy. He's definitely gonna
win because that's what I bring tomy guys, I winning mentality. Yeah.

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And so I think a lot ofpeople will be shocked as well here
in your story because because most people, when you sort of did arrive on
the scene, it was a caseof you know, when the same thing
happened with Ben Davison and stuff,and when you attach herself to these mega
superstars. I don't know where peoplejust think, oh, he skept the
cure whatever, But here in herstory obviously didn't you put the graph in?

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I was just thinking there was Therewas a point you said, so
growing up, your dream as alwaysto be a professional boxer. Do you
remember the moment where you started tofall in lovel coaching where you thought,
you know what this is, thisis what I really loved it. And
actually even kind of like you know, when I will actually was doing amateur
even in some of the amateurs inmy gym, there was how you done

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this and how you done that.I was already then watching Roy Jones because
I is my my all time ferryfighter, So I used to watch Roy
Jones. I used to kind oflike I always had that kind of like
passion since then of like coaching people, and now that I'm doing it,
I'm loving it even more. Iseven more because it's new things that that

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that you have to learn. Itkind of like the philosophies of each different
trainer. You know, It's crazyhow people says that or relates like good
coaches to achievements. That's not alwaysthe case. See me on it never
won the champions League as a player, I never won the Champion League as
a coach? Is here bad coach? Seemeon as a hell of a coach.

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Are the only one Champions League withBarcelona? He never want it with
Buy your Munich and it still hasn'twon it with with mat A City.
So how can you say that clubnever won it before he won it with
Liverpool? Are the good coaches?Just? Oh, yes they are.
And then when you go to kindof like Mexico and you ask any Mexican
fighters, any Mexican coach on paper, Betty Stein, natural Betty Stein is

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the best with thirty one world champions. But the true reality and if you
ask the true Mexican who's the bestcoaches that you have ever seen? The
book? Everybody will tell you thatthat he trained free world champions free,
but no one knows who he is. But I ask people when I went
to travel to America and as speakto a lot of coaches and a speak

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to all quite a few fighters youknow in that and they will say the
same thing that man was very,very very intelligent and understand the doubts.
And I completely get the doubt ofthe people like Joshua giving me let's say
like the driver seat, but thatalso doesn't mean that rona crack, you

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know, or the retreat. Andour bad trainers, they're not bad trainers
if they're not here for whatever reasonsyou know that happened, you know.
But if we win, when wewin, is them guys, they should
be proud of the world they havedone as well, because it will be
for everybody, not just for me. This is this is not for me.
This is this is Anthony Josha.It's not me. This is not

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like a name for Nana Nanana.I always said, I am saying it,
and I will say. The fightermakes the coach, not the opposite,
because you have to have a goodfighter to be just a good coach
improves a few things, and you'llguide you with this, you'll guide you
with that. It knows how totake you. But at the end of

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the day, you have to havea good fighter with you to make you
get your name, you know,up there. And so I say,
I think, Josh right here,no joke far. But in all business
things, all right, You've obviouslygot the chard, you've got care,
and you've got freezer, and you'vegot an flay. They're all different stages

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of their career. How hard thatfor you to keep them all on the
one road? Is it? Isit tough because everyone's at different kind of
level. Um, It's possible becauseyou know, everyone has got their own
time. You know, I don'ttry them in a kind of like altogether.

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You know, maybe when one isfinishing, the aloe is coming in.
You know, each individual has theirown planning. You know, this
is what I'm expecting for you,This is what we what we will be
working. You know in this camp, when that fight happens, everything we
have done in the past is gone. We have to work base from the
last performance. Okay, thing towork on, you know world, work

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well, what didn't work well?And that's what it gives me, like
the next steps to you know,each person has got their own kind of
like abilities. This person has gottheir own strengths, you know, completely
different styles, and it's my jobto to to look you know, fighters,

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to to to to know history ofboxing and go go and watch this
person from this person you're picking this. I'll always give them videos to watch,
you know, to Karan to Richard, to a Phraser, to to
to aj you know, I alwaysgive them videos. You know, watch
this guy. Look how it workson this Look how it does, how
it does that. It's not pickingthe style. Our belief styles limit the

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fighters. Pick things that you go. Could you add this to your to
your arsenal, you know, dothey work good? Does it not work?
Okay, let's take it out.We try something else, because that
is coaching. That is a processand I'm not gonna I'm gonna fail many
times in my life, but weare humans and this is this is part

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of life. If I would itbe perfect, I'll probably maybe I will
be I don't know, or amulti millionaire or someone that you already had.
If it wouldn't been easy, wouldit? We already have sixty Bold
champions on air under my belt.But things are not easy. You have
to you have to work for them. You're touched on it there as well
you said it, but obviously comingcoming through like you're touched on a lot

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of adversity that you face, likeyou went in the depression and that and
for something like that you to comethrough that. You can pass that on
your faders because you know, theboxing leg it's a very lonely sport and
when you do lose the sort ofthe los or their has to heights,
but they're the lows lose, andpeople don't actually see actually what you've been
through as well coming through and thenget into the level that you're at nigh
Is that something that you pass onto them and sort of comfort them.

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And of course, of course youknow I'll pass these but at the end
of the day, I am whoI am and they are who they are.
I need to understand, like whyare you doing what you're doing?
And if I have to bring thisin the fight like I have done with
Richard, you know, you've gotto understand and know the purpose of each

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fight. Why were you doing whatyou're doing? What what are you're going
for? So when you understand that, you start to understand train the person
before you're trying to fight. AndI've got a winning mentality. Listen.
Nothing was given to me. Nothingbecause I've seen when I was asked that
other people already had PlayStations, Nintendo. You know, I had nothing.

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And because my mum could cook,cook, couldn't afford that. You couldn't
afford that. So I'm doing thisand I believe you know that I'm going
to create a legacy but I'm notgoing to create a legacy from my own
ego. I'm going to create alegacy to to show mom, this is
your son, this is your product. This is what I have seen in

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my house day to day because atthe end the day, your products of
your environment. And this is whatI want to pass on to future generations,
you know, to other coaches tosee me and it's like, oh
because of Angel, and I wouldgo my way is not the best way.
There is no best way in boxing. There is no best style.
There is no best ways, bestway or best fighting. This is not

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the perfect fighter is you know,each style might be wrong for that person.
That style might be wrong for thatperson. So we're gonna go through
defeats because it's completely inetible. Yeah, going through the defeats, but it's
how the defeat kind of like howyou represent yourself in in that ring.

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And when I was an amateur,what my mentality to go there and say,
I listen, if that money isgoing to be you tonight, it's
going to be the best performance ofhis life because I will lift everything on
the line. And that is definitelysomething that I try, you know,
instill in my fights. Angel,you touched on it to Sorry, you

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just touched on it there about thethree managers of Klop Semoni, Pep Guardi
or like, there are three brilliantcoaches, but they've got like a brilliant
man management style as well. There'sis there an element that that in boxing
that you as a coach have todo as well, because we don't really
see that. We just see thelike the tactics that they give them.
We hear you're in the and thenthe corners or during the faith speaking to

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them, but we don't see theman management style that you might have to
play in the background. Yeah,you have to. You have to create
character. You have to create character. It's not all about let's say a
psychologies or big the analysis or nutritionof h I'm just going crazy. It's
like when you want to fight,you've got to understand what's happening there.

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As a coach, you got tounderstand what's the seventy what's the eighty percent
that happens on that fine? Isit technical? It's a physical, it's
a nutritional see you know, isit tactical? Is it mental? Is
That's that's for me, it's themental And yes, I do have all
the people around him here in Lofra, you know, like we got nutritionis

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but we all work as one.It's not completely individual thing. We all
work as one. But yes,I do train the character. And how
do you train character to a person? Two kind of like train them in
the storm. So that's done tothe public too, maybe to pick up
what once. Obviously I'm not gonnagive my taxes my way of goating,

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but you got to train them,and you got to train them sometimes like
being in adversity. You know you'renot gonna get the character out of a
person income tell them how good youare, tell them, oh, that
was beautiful, that was Oh youknow, such a solid of you don't
to day well in the sparting.I'm another kind of person because I'm another

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kind of person with myself. SoI always ask myself the question how can
I get better? And you couldmaybe say and think like, oh,
but that man would never be happy. That's the way I am happy by
self improvement. And that's what I'mtrying to get to my fighters. On
the first five with Richard, hecan tell you I just straight away just

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run out off the ring into thechange room when it come in I said
what I needed to say, andsame thing on the on the last five.
But yes, you do have towork the mindset because as the great
cast the matter said is is mentalin this game? I mean, tell
me this scene. You obviously talkeda lot about your family there as well.

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What's it like for them? Itmust it must be equal real because
they seen the struggles. Are youanswer? You talked about ringing your mom
at one point cryings and I needto go home. And now you're head
coach of probably the biggest failure inthe world can end one of the biggest
faiths in the world. You've gotthe bluetech and Instagram everything. I don't
know even look how much I care. I don't even have to tweet that

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I don't have Facebook and Instagram actruallyhighly use it. You know, my
focus is on something else. Obviously. I don't think my mom and dad
they truly truly they kind of knowbecause obviously the biggest newspapers in Spain they're
all like obviously talking about me.I got huge space, you know,

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like fan base in Spain. Youknow, they for me, especially in
my friends. But I don't knowif of all the fans board they have
to say good or bad. Iknow my people and I am true to
them as long as I made themfeel proud. That's really muches to me
in my life, you know,and to me to to to win this

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fight would mean I couldn't even Idon't think I have words in my mind
that could describe that. But togo back, I haven't seen them because
of the current situation with COVID,and I was not able to go and
see my mom probably I haven't seenthem for two and a half years,

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three years. And to be ableto go back and just like saying this,
Mom, this is, this is, this is what I've done.
You know, when when the fighthappens, and when we get a win
and go back to to to myparents and and you know, there you
go, this is this is thisis for you. And being able to
pay back all the work all theykind of like the sacrifices they have done

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to keep me happy is you'll you'll, you'll make me the happiest man on
earth. You see this, You'reactually doing a card and Barcelona last week.
Obviously Spanish boxing over here in theUK, we sort of don't really
get to see it as much Ibeg as that do you think for the
legs of the Spanish vaders coming through? And is that something you're obviously keeping

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an eye obvious it's your homeland.Yeah, I do. I do kind
of like keep keep you know,an eye on the Spanish boxing, but
and not really kind of like watchcurrent boxing match. I always kind of
like, you know, go backin history. I try to understand why
that guy was a champion, whatdid he do, who his trainer was,
who that's trying to learn from.That's kind of like how I normally

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spend my time on but boxing inSpain. Unfortunately it's not big, it's
not enough clubs as that is inthis country. But hopefully, you know,
I think they are kind of likethey're doing things well, you know
with heavy with the song. Ithink kind of like it's slowly growing.

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You know. They give him moreopportunity, say to them, and I
hope he needs to come. Youknow, there's more fighters start to come
and they get to see how howbeautiful this sport is, how how many
opportunities you know, the sport ofboxing can give to people. Angel I
the address often him here, right, so talk to us about the time

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when age reach to you to becoach hard did they come about? Did
you have in England that happened orwhen I first met him or when no,
when I asked you to be ascoaches. Um, it kind of
like just like if I'm honest withyou, it just happened the obviously not

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randomly, but he's been running withme, you know, in Lofa obviously
a lot of people that have beenmentioned in several several names. It has
seen them all, you know.And he just came to me and I
said, I need you to bemy my my first coach, and I
have to take it. I haveto tell that the boat through the homes

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and I'm not gonna go on andgo to him and oh, oh this
is too much for a bigger challenge, which he is. Yes, it's
a big challenge, but I'm readyfor it. I'm ready for it,
and I'm working half for it.And he sees that on a day to
day basis, you know, hehas full believe in me, and I

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go full believe in him. Andsometimes again that's where I was coming back
to the different sort of way ofcoaching. Someone are more technical than others,
Others are more tactical than others.Others have got a better strategy.
But I think we have a bondthat no nobody maybe will have that with

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him, and and that's a veryimportant thing because I probably I will be
able when I have that bond withsomeone which I have without my fighters,
I will take the best album.I would definitely take the best album.
And he's not going to be nodifference. Yeah, obviously we're from the
util looking at him, but likeeven when you see him on social media,

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it seems a lot happier. Itseems like and they say that,
we'll say angles are happy fetters todangers better. Um is that something that
you passed or obviously all your fatterswe obviously we've met Kermelo and I need
to big up and coming prospect inIreland as well, But um, is
that happiness around in the gym aswell also important? It's it's very important
because you know they get to seekind of like hey, this guy Dan

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it so it passes like knowledge ontoKiran. You know, you go Richard,
which is you know it's maybe twofights away to become Bold Champion.
You go Phraser, Captain Activity Byou know, a little big bronze medal
to have that in the gym,and just like to keep like there is
no egos and that's what I preachevery day in here. There is no

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you know better than that in thegym, we all equal, regardless of
your previous achievement, of your currentachievements. Everyone is here to get better.
And that something that I remind themevery day, this is we're here
to get better. You know.Richard pass things onto Kiran. Kiran pass

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things onto Phraser, Phrasen to ajAj onto Kiren. That's how it is
because these things that they passed withinthe fighters that the coaches we don't know.
So I can't lie and tell thepublic I know everything. I don't
know nothing. Because the more atresearch, the more I know in my

(32:30):
head that the kind of like theamount of things that I still need to
learn. So this we can.I just kind of like went through the
whole series of Simione and I've gotto understand the whole things of how turning
adult. He trained ropa adult,and it's absolutely it's just incredible. The

(32:53):
method they user, they call itthe Socrates methods and feed if you look
on paper who's better Federer or not. Now you know Federer had the better
drive, better woman you're watching me. It just it just walks. But
the way they trained at out wasalways in adversity. It was always giving,

(33:15):
like dodgy balls. He always kindof like the terrain wasn't great.
And when I said, oh,I'm Spanish champion at this age, so
the coach came to him and hewent, okay, but look, I've
got this list that this guy wasSpanish being at your age, and this
one and this one and this one. So always kind of like bringing him
back and never ever praising Ruffer,call it good or bad. Did the

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results work? Yes? And I'mcoming back down to AJ in one way,
like AJ knows, there is nobetter coach in this world. And
I'm gonna say this with a witha big mouth, there is no coaching
this world that knows better how tobe goosy than Anthony Josha. He that

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man has been twelve ruands with him. So I could go from the outside,
I could have all depinions in theworld and that person and that person
and them hundreds of fans, butthere is no better pattern than the person
that went through that now and whatI'm trying to do with the with Josh

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for now, you know, it'sin a good place mentally, you know.
And I'm not saying I'm not justman. Definitely not just man,
because he is doing what I'm tellinghim to do. Yeah, and just
going back to Nadau and to Federal. Sorry, just to keep up going
back and forward. But I toldyou this is a story, Okay.

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Nadau when he signed the multi contractdeal with Nike two days before, was
sitting two big bitters. So theygeneral manager of the big guy of night,
what's innamally thinking, Jesus, twobig pizzas. The following day went
and played golf and then he hada diverse in between, and then he

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went and played the worst match ever. He lost six three and six nail.
So the manager went to raff andadous manager and I said, poh,
the coach the how house eating pizzais very poor. You need a
natriating, You need this guy,you need that, you need. This
is so unprofessional. He went tothe Madrid He lost in Madrid. So

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no, no, clearly you haveto remove fol this away from him.
A few months later, the yearhasn't ending yet raff and Adou is number
two in the world, the youngestmaybe player in winning a Rolando Ross.
Now, all of the Southern pleasekeep it in the two pizzas because it

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kind of like you needed because ofthe spending in terms of energy spenditure.
And please keep playing golf because itkeeps your mind away from the actual tennis
and it helps you to relax.So two things that all of the suden
to the public eye when like,no, this is the problem to all
of the sadn Now please keep thisbecause he's keeping you happy. I want

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to seek anello sparring in a inSan Diego Batman, before doing twelve rounds
of boxing, he went and playeighteen holes. It's just before after of
golf. Me from the outside talkingto either re Us and I'm thinking obviously
as a code, you know,like everyone got up. This guy's nuts.

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How how would you like a fighterto go and play eighteen holes before
like two weeks I think it waslike two and a half weeks before before
the talent plant fight. Oh god, this is nuts. No, he
works for him. Yeah, sothat as a coach is your job to
understand your fights, And thank godI do understand my fighters. That's like

(37:06):
the man management stated that sort oftouched on like people just thinking, oh
it's bad as but every person isdifferent, like you just testically yeah yeah,
really speaking of the age six,I know you can't get much away.
They're starting to become a lot oftalk about it again, neither sort
of is confirmed it and is thereanything and I know you probably can't say

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much. Is there anything you cantell us about when it may be?
Are we looking this summer? Maybe? To be honest, is like my
work is just coaching. I don'tknow who's gonna happen. You know he's
gonna happen. Guarantee is going tohappen, you know. I mean they
left Ukraine. Everyone knows that they'repreparing for the camp. Now he's just

(37:51):
looking at the day. You know, I don't think that's like a specific
day so far, but you know, longestly listen, honey, my heart,
I do this like send me whichthen I just leave that to the
management. You know, Like myjob is coaching. I love coaching,
and I try not to get intopeople's people's thoes. You know, when
they go listen, this is thedate. It's my job to go cool.

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This is how you know we're goingto approach the whole camp, which
it already does already done anyway.But you know we're just waiting on the
on the on the specific day andit will be the best a day.
Well we won't. We won't keepyou too much longer, but we have
to ask you as well. Apriltwenty third, there's a big fate,
but I'm sure you'll be keeping aclose eye on for future reference. Um,

(38:37):
how do you think that's going tocool? What are your an theory?
Why? Obviously it's a good it'sa good it's a good fight for
for for British public. You know, don't understimate dealing. Why because you
just don't know how he's going toapproach the fight. Maybe they bring different
tactics, but try impure with themomentum that he has. You know,

(39:00):
I see him becoming a victorious onthat fire. Do you think do you
think it's a good idea? Dylan? Not? Because people were saying like
Dylan's best chance may have been sortof getting in fury his head, you
know, getting under a skin orwhatever, but he's went the opposite route.
Um, I suppose it's the maingame. In its own way,
it might actually play in the advantage. But what would you advise if if

(39:23):
you were the culture and opposition,would you advise to do the press conferences
and stuff or just they avoided.Yeah, it's a tricky one. I
mean they probably like as a teamthat probably discuss this, maybe because you
know, tars In Fury maybe liketo get into people's head and maybe it's
a way I think that probably maybeit's a it's a good thing in terms

(39:44):
of likeing like keeping dealion, whyagainst like away from kind of like you
know, that sort of energy ofTarsi Fury. You know, maybe I'm
trying to get hit under under hisskin and maybe he just kept dealing why
more focused in the job that heneeded to do. You know, So
that is maybe a question you haveto ask them. I don't tend to

(40:07):
kind of like coming on the fireparts close to your chest and well Angel,
thanks him and him for coming omitreally really appreciate it. You've give
us more more of your time.I told you this with the last ten
minutes. That's the only reason youagreed to Angel. Thank you. I

(40:28):
didn't really appreciate you coming. Thanksfor your time. I appreciate your time
gents, and keep the podcast up. We'll do it again too. Oh
get up, Oh my goodness,shut up.