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this next guest on. We've beenreally looking forward to this one. We've
been minim to do for a while. But he's a busy man, so
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please welcome on. Harlem, youbank, Harlem. How you doing it?
Hey? Yeah, good, thanks, how are you mate? Yeah?
Okay, good to have you onthe show mate. We're really looking
forward to it. I've been speakingabout it for a minute, so um
yeah, good to finally everyone Iknow Hardham, Sophie's been keeping your way.
It's his faults a wait end listfor boxing podcast column hasn't tried to
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be your agent yet everyone else,and that Jimmy's temping. I'm trying to
recruit him. We're talking about itat the moment, you've just you've just
ruined it. Run O'REI we're givinga specific little comment, you know,
for the listeners with no obviously wegive them. We in and said,
you know what I mean that youknow the worst The worst part is I
think Harlem is a half to openthe Coco Serious Mix highly recommended column after
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his instagram before I even said,you've done a really good job. You
do a better job for him thanyou do for braw boxing. But actually
it's sorry, let's not let's nottalk about it anymore. Let's not talk
It's not about me, it's abouthorrible guy, guy Hardem Or did you
say you're in Brighton at the minute. Sorry, that's where you're from,
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isn't Yeah? Brighton? So Ilive here, stay here and then travel
up to the gym and uh inSurrey Redhill harm always always because you're sure
him? Was it always just goingto be You're gonna be but you're gonna
be a boxer as soon as youcould literally walk. Yeah, I don't
think so, I don't. Itried to stay I tried to well,
I tried to stay away from itbecause I always felt like it like it's
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already been done um to you know, to a high level, and it
would be hard to replicate, soI always try to do something else.
I was always sporty, but Ialways tried to direct it into like different
avenues. Um through kar as alittle kid, and then football growing up,
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and I thought football, you know, I was very passionate about football
and play for like a professional cluband was training every day pretty much as
a kid and doing the you know, getting my ten thousand hours in doing
the outside little drills and stuff.But when I got to eighteen, I
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was kind of like I just fellout of love with it, and then
I went I had that kind ofurge to get into combat, and boxing
was the most kind of realistic formbecause you do things like karate as a
kid and it's not necessarily full contact. But as soon as you walk into
a boxing gym, like you're inthere getting punched in the face. There's
no there's no there's no soft entryinto it, which I kind of I
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kind of liked in a way.I'm always wanted to try and find a
way to make it easier. Didyou say you say you were a team
when you started, Yeah, eighteen, pretty much. I put my foot
I dip my foot in when Iwas fourteen, but because I was playing
football at the time, I didn'tI didn't take it seriously, so I
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completely left it, you know aftera couple months of training, and then
uh obviously went back to it ateighteen and kind of applied myself in the
Brighton Have album. Oh wait wereyou? Yeah? Yeah, So I
was there from under twelves to undersixteens. Um so. I mean I
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played with a few other players thatare in the squad now, so you
know, eventually it might pull backaround to get in a fight at the
the A mix we are we gonnaare we gonna see the first boxer who
wins the world hell and then goesand plays in the Premier League for Branton?
Who did you play with in thefirst team of um so? I
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was? Um so, I meanlike the a lot of the guys a
lot of the time we train withlike say, say you're under sixteens or
whatever. You you go and trainone day a week in the youth team.
Um so, like the under eighteensor whatever so or under nineteen is
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it? So you go in forlike one day and train with every one
there so I trained with like Lewisdunk Um that's there now um. And
after I left Brian at sixteen,I went to Lewis UM for two years,
played there when I was playing withSully Sully March, who's you know,
a serious player there now. Sohe got signed by Brighton when he
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was while he was at Lewis,but he'd actually been back and forth from
Brighton. Like the first day Iwas on trial at Brighton as a kid
under under twelves, he was alsoon trial, but because he was small
then they didn't, you know,they didn't take him on. And then
by the time he was eighteen,he just grew physically and obviously you have
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with that skill from being small andand yeah, now he's an animal.
And I know you said at thebeginning you maybe didn't want the diget in
the boxing because it was going tobe hard to replicated. And your your
dad was a professional boxer as well, wasn't he And then you're chrested on
unbelievable things in boxing. So foryou, was it something like you just
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never really had thought that you'd beable to reach those levels and you always
wanted to be successful. Is thatit? Yeah? It was kind of
a thing like, um, Ijust didn't see necessarily see a way into
it or it didn't seem like somethingrealistic for me. Although I love combat,
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it was more kind of a combatwas more of a hobby. I
guess I never thought i'd do itas a career, but um, you
know when at eighteen, it reallykind of took hold of me and I
was like, I'm gonna you know, if I'm going to do this,
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I want to take it seriously.I don't just want to do it as
a hobby. You know, peoplesort of like because of your second name
maybe in school chanting their arm likeI want to I want to have a
U bank on the record, doyou know what I mean. I didn't
get it too much. I thinkbecause I was quite It was quite.
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Um, I didn't really get mygrowth spurt until I was in college.
So in school, I was stillkind of like five foot nothing, but
I was just like really good atfootball. So I was like, you
know, school captain or whatever atlike five foot, just just doing my
thing, like very sporty. SoI kind of I think the football kind
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of kept me away from that sideof things because I was never really going
out, like when you start goingout as a kid on a Friday night
after school. But I could neverdo that because I always had a game
on a Saturday and it was ata high level. So you can't just
go out and turn up because you'reyou know, you'll be booted out.
So I always had that focus whereit was like I'm training three times a
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week in the evenings and then I'vegot a game on a Saturday. So
I never really had the um.I never really had that social um interaction
that most kids get from like thedrinking and stuff from an early age.
I always had that focus and andthat kind of regiment schedule, which which
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I guess kind of prepares you forboxing. Yeah, that's the that's the
same as ran to be fir.I mean rand I think he's had of
a three nights whole lake. That'snot because of football. On Laddi'm going
two reasons why I can't go up. It's the real reason. It's just
take too much photos and all selfisthing. Yeah yeah, whatever where you
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go like nine, do you thinkback and do you ever miss the football
or you sort of like no,I've made the rate the season like a
love boxing, like that's where Isort of stand. Yeah, definitely,
I definitely don't miss it. AndI love a five side here and there,
but I definitely, you know,I'm definitely and that boxing was the
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path I was meant to take,um, you know, and I do
like a kick around here and there, But boxing is something different. Like
in football, there's a lot offactors on whether you perform, and you
know, there's eleven guys on andyou could like a lot of the time
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it varies on who's doing what andthat there's there's not that in boxing.
It's all it all rides on you. And I like that because it really
one It makes you prepare harder becauseyou know, everything rides on what you've
done. And yeah, there's noexcuses come or you know, this person
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should have done this. It's allkind of I should have done this,
you know, and this is whatI do next time. So I like
I like having that, um,everything rides on you rather than being able
to shift blame. And yeah,it's just it's just the clearer cut sport.
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Yeah, Ryan, because Ryans aregoing to make the switch over.
He's been talking about it for abouta year and a half. Nights he
wants to fight Rome Mechanic and hisdebut groan. I've called out speke Ye
that we called it. Do youknow why he's struggling. They actually get
these fights on him because he hasit in the clause that he only does
the ring walk all of the lightsKyle Brook and they just sort of step
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out of the ring and then that'sit over. Another big thing as well
as missus won't let me go withthis ring girls as well, so he'll
be walking you up. As Randsaid, listen talk about him so fun
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Holm. Whenever you're in paying them, Hardy end up getting into the boxing
ring. Hardy end up, youknow, I don't both Jim talking about
that kind of series of events.Yeah, So when I was eighteen,
I went down to the boxing gym. At this point I was I was
getting closer to my cousin, saidBlock through the boxing and stuff. So
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we started that a similar time.We went down Hope righting ho ABC,
and it was kind of like inmy mind, I was already like I'm
doing this to eventually turn professional,you know, So I wasn't really passionate
about like amateur boxing. I wasjust really trying to take the path where
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I can become a professional fighter.So went down to a home of ABC
and tried to get on the firstkind of in the first competition, I
could they see a little bit ofnatural ability, and I was just like,
you know, want to want toget going ACEP. So had Scott
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Welch down there, who's ex BritishCommonwealth Champion UM and a lot of good
guys down there, coach Anthony Brown, and I just you know, I
wanted to get in as many competitionsas quickly as I can because I knew
I'm eighteen years old. I knowprofessional boxing as a young man's sport,
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so there was no hanging around.So I started eighteen and termed professional at
twenty two with thirty three fights.I think one one year I even had
like thirteen thirteen fights and a lotof them were in competition levels som it
was like a crash course for methat I needed to gain experience to eventually
term professional. What we're what withinours like of the obviously you say you're
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thirty three fighters now, so whatwas the difference for your debut your prol
debut um? I think definitely better. I think every time you fight,
you get used to the process offighting, so there's always nerves, but
you learn how to kind of dealwith them. Obviously, the professional ranks
is a little bit different because you'vegot more people, more noise, and
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more riding on it. So um, but no, I think for my
debut, my my debut here inBrighton at the Hilton Hotel, and yeah,
the nerves didn't didn't really play afactor. Was over within one and
a half rounds or something like that. And on to the next high influential
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were your cousin chriss and and saidthat you touched on there obviously started Sebastian
and your amateur career, but highinfluential were they then coming into your professional
career? Very influential? I meanChris kind of made it see impossible,
like I said, like I wassaying with Senior, like you see you
watch the fights back, but yousee like the theater involved in the height
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the fights with him and like Nigerwith Ben and it's obviously great to see,
but it doesn't really give you necessarilya route of Okay, how can
I one get into boxing? Andhow how would I get to a stage
where I can potentially, you know, achieve those heights, so it's kind
of like you see it, butthere's not necessarily like a clear way into
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it. Obviously, when Chris Juniorwas starting, then I could see away
in because I was seeing his workwork ethics, seeing like seeing the training
he was doing and um, andthen watching his his fights on on Channel
five at the time. So hemade it seem you know, possible in
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that sense to actually, you know, go for it and and turn turn
the hobby of combat into into acareer with we were actually kind of like
he inspired me all throughout because weobviously got into it together. We'd trained
together, eat together, was ina similar um mind frame with everything,
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so we was kind of um,it was kind of like on a mission
together, whereas Cres had already Chriswas already there Me and said were like,
you know, on the on theup and coming together, m did
you ever feel like you were playingcatch up at all? They took us
you started to the end of thething, Like, was it so difficult
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to or because obviously you're gonna bespawn Tree and other people fighting against amateurs
even that have been obviously boxing sinceit could walk. Yeah, that's that's
exactly it. I know, Iknew when I started, i'd be at
a disadvantage, like starting at eighteenone. As soon as you start boxing,
like when you're started at five yearsold, the punch is coming like
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they're not the same as when you'restarting at eighteen and you're in there with
seniors. So that's you know,that's something you're gonna deal with in terms
of everything coming at you from thestart is going to be heavier, and
you know you're in the You're you'rein more danger when you first start and
you haven't got the you haven't gotthe skills to know how to avoid punches
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and and an evade everything that's comingat you. So there's that component.
And like obviously the experienced kids andamateurs always see my name and it looks
like a golden opportunity, you know, because I haven't got that experience,
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but I've got the name of ayou know, any time world world champion.
Um, so uh yeah, itwas always it was always more pressure
and they like a crash course ofI need to get the skills and then
turnover, but I need to bewith people I can learn from as well,
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you know. So that's why it'sso good to be in the gym
with guys like Mick josh U abass Kurt now because they've got that amateur
experience. So I've been soaking upfrom them and learning, learning my trade
being in the gym with them andbeing with being with Adam as well,
Like how did that? How didthat come about? Did you didn't like
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was Adam prepared to take on straightaway? Or did you sort of want
to see something from you? Howdoes it work? Um? So when
Chris was with Adam, I wentup to UM, I went up to
SPA. Well, I went upto train with Chris, kind of take
a little bit insight from Adam aswell. Actually, the first day I
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went to the gym, um subsent me a message like Adams in the
gym with Chris today. So thatday I went down to the gym.
I think they were doing like padsin the ring in the Brighton gym and
and I was on the bag justwork at a combination. And then Adam
came over after and was like,you know, adjust your hook like for
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the combination like this, um andjust said work on that, like just
work on this free punch combination.So um, I would I drilled that
in and then the next time Chriswent to spa um up at Adam's Jim,
I would go up there and Iwould spa um other people that like,
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so Chris's sparring partner would bring likeanother kid for me to spa.
So spart a few times um andthen when kind of filtered out from the
gym, I would spot I thinkhe had wait who asked did he have?
So I would spa like when MitchellSmith was up there and he had
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another world to wait, I wouldgo up and spare them. Then I
kind of went away from Adam's Jimfor a little bit at my pro debut
um. And then after the debutAdam message me about the fly it said,
you know, good performance. Hewas like, I've got Josh Kelly
up here now for sparring, ifyou know, if you want to come
up for for some some sparrings,some training. So I was like yeah,
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sure, And then after that startwent up to spa Josh and stayed
up lessons. Then yeah, that'sunreal. There's no there's no better Jim.
You could be in as well,like we always said, like Adam,
I've thought even since like first ofWat's Adam like the sort of bed
of a Hey days and stuff rightup then nobody done with like Burnad and
Kelly and like Mick and all.Yeah, it's like it's it's unbelievable.
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And the atmosphere in the gym aswell, like everyone we have had on
who's been a gym and says likenumber one, the camaraderie among the boxers
a number two. He treates youlike fucking no one else, you know
what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so you're great
and tree him a booth and thenit's like, oh right, this is
this is really yeah yeah yeah,it really gives you a struck your awareness
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of what type of fitness you need, um to grow into a champion,
to to to grow into a twelveround fight fighters. That's what That's what
you need, that kind of seriousapproach. If you're looking too progress to
the high school bo Sorry, um, I just want to touch on something
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that about you personally. The peoplewho are listening might not know. Um
I had known it, and thenI try to go for dinner with him.
It was like trying to get outof Alcatras. It was an absolute
after he remembers it well, butno, I just want to touch on
it, like, so you're you'replant based athlete, which there isn't many
of. Um, well, Idon't know anyone else other than you,
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and tell us about about that millionafter there's a million street after games Ginger
comment on Netflix the Trader for aweek and then you can't do it anymore.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,I think after seeing that there's I'm
pretty well, I'm pretty sure therewas another. I forgot what it was
cool there was There was a Netflixone about kind of like showing people some
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of the health effects of meat orsomething. Literally three or four of the
boys in the gym at the time, I think it was like the Neet
josh Um and a few others werelike watched it and was like in a
hypnotized and was like, I'm noteating meat again. And then I stayed
away. They stayed away for itfor like a week, and then there
were Nando's the next day. Howdid you end up becoming plumps? Is
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a coffee to keep it going,like trying to make weight and stuff?
Do you know what? I thinkit's it's easier like being plant based.
You you just feel a lot lessplugged up, like I feel like your
organs and stuff just run a lotsmooth personally for me. And making weight,
you can always eat more being plantbased, like when you're eating or
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like organic plant based food, it'sa lot of lighter, so you can
always eat bigger portions. So whenit comes to making weight and stuff,
it's just a case of not overindulging on the portions and it's easy enough.
But I started getting into kind ofhealth and um my awareness just started
to grow when I when I waslike eighteen, and I was learning more
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about like alkaline nutrition and certain dietsthat were more favorable for health. And
it's kind of the case of likein terms of what you can affect in
the world, like you can onlyreally have an impact on yourself, and
then that spreads out and there's abutterfly effect from that. But it's all
well and good, you know,telling people this is the way to eat,
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or this is the this is theway to do something, or this
is favorable to health. But ifyou can actually implementing yourself and then people,
you know, people will either seeif if it's working or if it's
not working and then make their judgmentfrom that. So always was learning about
nutrition from eighteen non wards and thenthat's twenty two. There was that four
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year period I was cutting things outand finding things that I like to eat
and and changing different parts of mydiet. Then at twenty two I was
just like, let's let's cut outthe chocolate and uh and turn fully fully
part based. Nah, nah,honey, what it is? It's the
apple? I think, ye ofall they're creating at all. But I
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think I mean, obviously, onceyou get into routine and you know what
to do, then obviously it's aboutthe year. But at the start I
traded it with my brother for aweek. I was just absolutely tragic.
It was tragic liquid. I wasjust eating apples and person near the angers.
It couldn't be bothered. We don'tknow when you don't know what when
you don't, I'm gonna have.It's pretty restricting because there's like it's hard
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to put to put meals together.I think it's if you're gonna do it,
you need to eat out a littlebit first, get an idea of
what mills you can have, andthen recreate stuff. But if you're if
you're going from nothing or from eatingeverything to plant based, there's it's gonna
be it's gonna be tough. Likethere, I don't have like a fitness
challenge before in the past. Andthe thing was if I didn't beat a
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certain time on this fitness challenge,it was like a salt bike treadmill and
like burpies, but it was likea whole cycle of so many calories on
the thing. And the guy waslike, if you you know, if
you don't, if you don't beatat a certain time, you have to
eat chicken. And if you do, then I'll go a vegan for a
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week. So I smashed the timeand made this guy go vegan for a
week and he was eating like applesand peanut butter and lettuce. But you
just have no like for me,it's it just seems crazy because there's so
much to eat. But if youhaven't done it, or if you haven't
like cushioned your your entry into itand testing things out, then then it's
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a whole different, whole different dimensions. I completely disagree with Harlem here because
me and Harlem were going to allthese different restaurants and it was an absolute
disaster. Everyone was knock on hisback actually was sat down on one restaurant.
I think Kurt actually had a pronecracker in the restaurant and then the
girl said it did not have anyvegan meal and we had to get up.
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We had none of the restaurants whereit looked any good though. Let's
be honest, Yeah, what wouldyou be equivalent of, like a cheap
meal? Um, I mean tobe honest, like I reckon if I
if I wasn't black plant based likei'm the time. But I love my
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chocolate and sweet food, so Iused to as a kid, I used
to get them, you know them, you know, the family sized galaxy
bars. But they used to doa two pack. It was like a
two pack for two pounds or somethinglike I used to eat. I used
to polish them in like one sitting. So that the thing is now I
have to find vegan chocolate, butnone of the shops that you can't get
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at any shops, So it's likeit limits like you're being able to eat
like a savage. So it's actuallyit's actually pretty handy. But yeah,
still chocolate, still vegan chocolates,my cheap Mimarican and what else like vegan
burgers and stuff like that. Butobviously it's it's they're healthier then normal burgers
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a lot of the time, soit's less of a cheap. Yeah,
I would still be like I wouldbe like the worst meal you could think.
It would be like my healthiest metto me. Like I remember my
bro I was like, now youcan't eat that. They'd be like what
I was like, twenty a packof watch it's Harlem. But before like
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you go, We've got a bigfake coming up fourteenth of May, and
it's a it's gonna be the nextstep towards hopefully a British title fight.
Is it after this? Yeah?I think soon after. You know,
the British British has got my nameon it. So so what are we
gonna expect? What is it fourteenthto May against my Dodd? Yeah,
thirty thirteen for me Friday the thirteenth, So it's gonna be an unlucky night
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for someone. And uh, yeah, it's it's the next step. It's
the next step on the on thepath up the rankings, you know,
head into Yeah, there's Um Lionessand Dens out for the British and then
josh Um in a comeback fight andme vis Dodd Um underneath that so it's
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gonna be gonna be a big nightof fights. Yeah, that that'll be
good. Yeah, I'd be abusy name for Adam as well. Then,
yeah, you're running back and forth. Would you see when you're when
you're like getting yourself up for likea big faith do you feel like so
for example, you obviously meg withlike Leewood, etceter Like, would you
feel like you want to have thatlittle bit of venom? Do you know
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when like the press conferences, youknow, like him around the hotel maybe
before it or do you feel like, no, you're just chilled because you
seem like a really chilled, relaxedguy. That's like then you go in
the ring and obviously as the window. Yeah, I think I think it's
it's it's what the other personality bringsout of you, like how you rub
up against whoever you're opposing. ButI think it's different for each thing.
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You know, I can imagine whenI get to that world title level and
that that kind of that rage andthat that um, you know, the
intensity is going to be different.So I think different fights bring out different
different sides and different opponents. SoI think it's just you know this Sean
Sean Doddies. You know, he'scoming across as a nice guy, so
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you can't really it's hard to sparkyou know, any anything too much up
against him. But it's just aboutbringing that spite on the night and you
know, showing people that you gotthat venom when you're when you're in the
ring. And that's what I'm gonnabring made thirteen. Yeah, see the
sitting around say that I was saying, it's Harlem. Is it the smalliest
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guy I've ever seen in my lead. He's gonna be battering someone in about
four weeks time. Have that switch, that switch you know in the ring.
It's in the ring, it's differentfor people outside. I'm just the
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normal, just the normal guy.I'm a happy guy. But flict pain
on someone before Before we let yougo, I want you to tell the
funny story that we had from nextpress conference on the podcast. You know
exactly what's part, but I'm gonnaI'm gonna let you maybe felt guy.
The guy came over the interview.Harlem's smiling away as you Yeah, so
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so this thing comes over to tellher you want to tell so, so
Harlem's Harlem's getting interviewed. This guyactually comes over. He taps Harlem on
the children says that I'm a bigfan. Do you mind if I interview
form my YouTube channel? Um,I'm near sure that this guy might be
listening, So apologies if you wefound that hilarious, but it was.
I think it's for like a decentand off size YouTube channel, isn't.
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Yeah he's he's follow yeah, yeah, he's he's like a big enough name.
This guy. Anyway, it's allover. He knows, he knows
all about it. But he cameover and he was like the Harlem,
yeah, like I want to interviewyou. Um, I want to get
your thoughts on Colin Wood blah blahblah. So he's talking about Harm's career.
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Then I thought the interview was over. Harlem's just smiling away. That
is right now. And the guythen walks away and comes back and says,
would you mind if I showed youa video of me getting knocked out?
And I like around and he waslike like this, this guy does
not look as if he's ever boxedin his life, right, don't show
me videos you. Harlem turned aroundand says, Nana, don't don't show
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anyone those videos and Harlem is beingdead serious, you know, he's saying
like, no, don't show anyonethose videos. But the guys like,
you know, laughing away and allthings like this is hilarious. So he
like goes to get the vinyone harmslike no, bro, like I don't
want to see you get knocked out, don't show anyone, and actually gets
way worse. So then he's like, no, no, no, you
have to see this. I getknocked out by kel Brooke. He's like,
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Harlem like looks out. He's like, bro, you don't need to
be shown people. So he literallygets up this video it's on it's on
YouTube, So I think, isit actually out on YouTube? Hartum?
I think I can't remember. Itmight have been like a private one.
Yeah. So Harlem's laughing away andthis guy literally gets sparked out by kyl
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Brook in the video like it's it'sridiculess. You'd never imagine this guy's actually
in the ring with Kelbrook to beginif. I don't know how it happened,
but apparently he just goes around gymsand get knocked out. So Box
and Cook you just tell him.When does this story get good? Wow,
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he's gonna be dirty like that anyway, He's don't be so dirty.
Yeah, he's waiting for the punchline. The best, the best. That's
why didn't want to tell it.It was so so good at the time
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somber translate into the pod. Iactually I actually did enjoy it. I
was laughing along brands of bollies fromthe pod, bull, thanks so much
for giving your time, and wereally appreciate it. We can't wait to
see you do the bit this well. Go see you guys, so I
really really appreciate it. On thewe'll get you on against him and hopefully
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the British champed on the line.Oh you guys think it's gonna get up?
I think it's I think it's canyou get up? Can you get
up? Big dous Oh my goodness, so hard, that's get