Age of Disclosure, KPop Demon Hunters, One Battle After Another: Hidden Symbolism in 2025 Films!

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It's the best time of year for movies.

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And today we're gonna talk about a bunch of movies
with reviews, opinions, and discuss some hidden symbolism
and conspiracies behind K-Pop demon hunters,
the new UFO documentary, The Age of Disclosure,
Leo's new movie, One Battle After Another,
Netflix's Frankenstein.
And then we're gonna talk about some upcoming movies
like Wicked 2, Avatar 3, Stranger Things,
The Bros. Springsteen movie, and Hamlet,

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coming up on Breaking Social Arms.
(upbeat music)
Now that's, uh...
- We've been on a movie kick.
- Knockin' 'em out.
What was the best time of year for movies?
- Oh it is.
- It's when all the great movies come out
'cause they put 'em out towards the end
for consideration for the--

(00:44):
- Oscar, show whatever.
- Academy or whatever.
And there's been a lot of dead movies for a long time.
- Yeah, I kind of feel like it's a dying.
- It seems like it is.
- I feel like it's just like eating itself.
I think without people buying DVDs, it's just,
and I think the woke thing is kind of killing it a little bit.

(01:09):
Like we've missed out on really great funny movies.
Like do you remember in the mid 2000s,
they were, I mean it was just amazing movie,
like funny movie, funny movie after another.
It was so good.
- Mm-hmm.
- Like-- - Make comedy legal again.
(laughing)
- How you long was right about one thing?

(01:30):
- Yeah, but you didn't like it when they were making fun of him.
(laughing)
I thought we--
- What a dickhead.
- I thought we made it legal again.
You remember he's like,
it's not funny to people who love you
and they have a countdown to how my stalk is going down.
- Oh that's right when he tanked Tesla with all those dumb shit.
(laughing)
- Like oh you can't be high on ketamine in public places

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and think that your business is gonna skyrocket,
you fucking weirdo.
- The whole dough shoe was the most dumbest shit we've ever done.
A E-clandee saved, I don't know, $200 billion.
Before he started, he's like,
we're gonna save $200 billion.
Then they got through and did all the dumb shit
and they're like, oh we saved $100 billion.
Then they decoded it and we're like, okay,
so you just canceled a bunch of contracts.

(02:15):
- Yeah.
- That were in work.
And so we lost out on a ton of money and value.
And then they really only saved a couple billion.
And all the dickheads and doughs,
like what's the guy saying fat head or big head or everything?
- Yeah, fuck face.
- Gets a $150,000 a year job with the government
at the age of 20 or whatever the fuck he is.

(02:36):
- Yeah.
- The group, the doughs group that was supposed to get rid
of fraudulent government shit and fire a bunch
of government workers.
Oh, but you guys are okay taking these cushy government jobs
that people with PhDs that have worked for the government
for 40 years can apply for.
You're gonna get the job at the age of 20.
Okay, it makes sense.
- Yeah.
- I'm a fuck Elon Musk and all those motherfuckers.

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I hate them.
And doughs has already been disbanded.
Do you know that eight months early?
It was supposed to be like a two year project
or some shit.
They've disbanded it already 'cause it was such a fucking failure.
- Right.
Well.
- So outrageous.
- We're just making America great again.
- There's a couple people that when they die,
I'm having a big party.
- Yeah.
- Oh fuck yeah.
- I mean, it's so outrageous.

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- Yes.
- Anyway, you wanna save, sure,
there's a million places you can save
in government spending.
- I think, yeah.
- In fact, when I was in the military,
we had these fraud waste and abuse programs everywhere.
You could, if you saw something that was fraud waste or abuse,
you would fill out these forms and you would send them to,
I don't know whoever, I guess.
And if they found you to be true,

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they would cut you a check,
depending on how much savings you found.
- There you go.
- 'Cause we heard stories of people that saved,
I don't know, a million bucks
because they changed something that was dumb.
And they got a thousand dollar check or whatever it was.
- Yeah.
- You get a little taste, you know?
- It's so significant.
- Yeah, so I mean, there's definitely places
you can cut out fraud waste and abuse,
but like those guys, that was a total hatchet job

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of propaganda and bullshit.
- Right.
(laughing)
- Anyway. - You don't say.
- I mean, these guys are just the biggest scripture.
Anyway, the movies though, right?
- Right.
- The two, that's the one thing Elon was right about.
Make comedy leaks like that.
(laughing)
Yeah, we haven't had a good comedy in forever.
- For, I mean, not at all.

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The only thing I can think of is like,
what is that?
Medea's family Christmas or whatever.
- I've never seen it.
- My mom loves those movies.
- Oh, okay.
(laughing)
- Well, Medea's holding up the comedy.
- Yeah, I get it. - John, yes.
- Yeah, do you feel like movies in general
are not as prominent in our pop culture spaces that used to be?

(04:41):
- No.
- And I think part of that is 'cause TikTok brain.
- Oh.
- People have the attention span for it anymore?
- That's interesting.
- I can't, I always put it under the basket of like,
well, no, people love mo--
What the fuck are you talking about?
People will watch a three hour Marvel movie.

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What are you saying?
- I mean,
I guess I feel like there used to be a wide variety of movies
and the theater would be full of people watching
all of those movies.
And now it feels like you get five Marvel blockbusters a year
and the family-- - Cartoons.

(05:27):
- And the Disney adults, they all go see those.
But that's about it.
- And then the blockbuster cartoons for the kids
and the families or whatever.
Which is like the exact opposite of when we were kids.
How many times did your mom and dad take you to go see
the cartoon that was in the movie?
- That never happened to me.
- Fuckin' never.
- I don't know if there were cartoons for us back then.

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Were there?
- I don't remember.
I remember them having the Chip and Dale's movie.
Remember when they were in the balloon,
when they were traveling around the world
and the balloon and they were singing songs?
- Not in the scene of it.
- What?
- No, I never seen it.
- It is so fucking good.
And then the-- - As an adult though?

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- Well, I don't know.
It is good for me still because it has nostalgia.
So I don't know if it would translate.
But, or the Agufi movie?
Agufi movie was really good.
I was almost aged out of when that was like cool.
- Okay, I never seen that.
- But the fuck what?
- Mm-hmm.
- You never saw that.

(06:30):
- No.
- The music is so fucking good.
- Okay, I believe you.
- Oh my God.
All right.
So we, but here's a deal.
Guess how I watched those?
Not at the fucking theater.
- No.
- Not at the theater.
And I can guarantee you my mom and dad didn't sit
the fuck down with me when the cartoons were on.

(06:52):
- Yeah, to catch it on a, someone had the VHS
and someone's house or something.
- Yes.
- Right?
- Yeah.
- Somebody else's parent that cared about them.
- Yeah.
- And I would have to go over there and watch it over there.
We would get, I remember we'd go to the blockbuster
and dad would pick out his three fucking movies
or whatever and we'd have one VCR, one.

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And we would be able to pick out one cartoon
or two cartoons or whatever.
And we would all have to sit there and watch dad's movie
and cover our eyes because there'd be tits all over it,
all in the middle of it.
So you get like suspenseful movies that are like,
I don't know, die hard or some shit.

(07:34):
- Body heat.
- Yeah, no.
No, no, no.
- You want to have weeks?
- No, none of those.
He would watch, well maybe by himself, I don't know.
But he would watch like die hards and terminators
and like that kind of, you know, 80 suspense stuff.
Never comedies or anything like that.

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- We watch all kinds of movies in my house.
- I'll have to sit there and wait till dad went to fucking
tell him to warm himself out and go to bed.
- To get your turn.
- And then we would stay up till like two in the morning
watching the cartoons that we were able to get.
- Oh, that was the best.
- By ourselves, not as a family.
- Yeah, for sure.
- It's so weird to see people make the family

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seeing the central thing.
- Yeah, it's like a complete fucking opposite
of how we grew up.
- I know, I remember getting up early as possible
on a Saturday to get to the TV before dad got up.
- Yes.
- 'Cause I'm like, I gotta play this Nintendo shit
but I gotta get off here when he gets up, you know?
Or stay up late to watch wrestling.

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Yeah, you have to wait till they were done
and then be like, okay, my turn.
- Yes, they were.
- But that is the exact opposite now.
Fucking weird.
Well, and something else weird, the reason I think movies
seem to be dying, which I hate 'cause I just love movies,
is that this year I've been to the theaters maybe,
I don't know, three times or four times.

(08:56):
And half of those was to watch old movies.
(laughing)
I saw the Devil's Rejects which came out in,
I don't know, 2002, 'cause they did a re-sing of that
and then Texas Chainsaw Masker from 1971 or whatever,
'73.
- Oh, that's funny.
- So it's,
I don't wanna go to the movies,
is that there's nothing to fucking watch, it's worth a shit.

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- And what's else is so weird,
is that they do not put scary movies out
during scary season.
- Yeah, I hate it when they time it,
like, oh, it comes out in November, bitch.
- Why?
Why do they do that, or it'll be out in the summer?
And I'm like, this is the dumbest fucking thing possible.
- I think they don't wanna compete against
the other scary movies, I don't really know, I'm just guessing.

(09:38):
- They don't even come out, like Frankenstein came out
in November and that's past.
But Frankenstein was in the theaters apparently.
Did you know that?
- No, the Frankenstein that we watched on Netflix.
- That's right, it was in the theaters apparently,
I didn't know that.
- If you were just,
Netflix is taking over as the source of all movies

(09:59):
and they're trying to bid on Warner Brothers.
And part of the bid is that they,
because Netflix traditionally refused to put
their movies in theaters because they were like,
no, we're streaming platform,
we cater to streaming and that is it.
And now that they're in a bid for Warner Brothers,
part of the deal is they have to commit
to releasing so many movies a year in the theaters.

(10:22):
- Oh.
- That's what Warner Brothers wants for some reason.
- Okay.
- So they're talking about doing that and.
- Dude, I didn't know that was in the theaters.
- Frankenstein was in theaters, yeah.
Before Halloween.
- During Halloween?
- I mean, before I guess,
'cause it came out on Netflix, what, November 7th?
- Maybe I'm just not paying attention

(10:45):
about what's coming out in movies anymore.
I feel like I'm losing,
'cause I don't remember actively looking for stuff
as a kid, it just was shown to me.
And I was like, oh, I want,
I would be excited to go see the thing.
- Yeah, I would just be in near a circle of friends, you know.
- It would be in the, my sir, yeah, exactly.
Like it was just in the thing.
- Yeah.
- It was just in the ethos.
- Yeah, playing in select theaters October 17th

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and then released on Netflix November 7th.
- Oh, okay.
Selective theaters.
- So probably wasn't even on around here.
You know, you talk, you on some dumb shit.
- I don't remember seeing it.
- Well.
- But again, I also don't look up, was it the theaters?
Maybe I'm talking about my ass.
(laughing)
- I look at all, 'cause I want,

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'cause I like to go to the theaters,
but there's never any reason to go.
- Would you have gone to go see Frankenstein?
- Yeah, but what makes me hesitate is the length of the movies.
- That's my fuck exactly.
- There were the two and a half hours,
I'm like, ooh, I'll wait, thanks.
- Yeah, 'cause I have to pee.
- It's just too much.
- I don't want to sit in the theater for that long,
and I'll fall asleep.

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- And if you're in a, it depends on the crowd.
Like what if you're next to some stinky nerd
or some loud person.
- They're coughing.
- They ruin the whole movie.
I'm not gonna sit there for three hours.
- I get very uncomfortable around people coughing.
- It fucking makes me angry.
Like I can't hear anything that's happening around me.
Every time that person coughs or sneezes,

(12:10):
I want to fucking come up and be like,
why are you even in this fucking place?
- I have a good idea.
- Is it the allergies?
Fuck off, no it's not.
- Just stay in bed.
- Go home.
- Really, it's fine.
- I don't understand why people,
I want everybody to hear this, hear this.
When you have a cough, you're making me uncomfortable.
And you're making probably not everybody,

(12:33):
'cause there's a lot of weirdos out there
that has no fucking problem being around people coughing.
But there is a significant group of people,
at least half of the people you are making uncomfortable.
It's like.
- I want you to start doing polls on your Patreon.
- Oh, okay.
- One is, I want you to do, I'll set it up for that.
- I don't know.

(12:53):
- One, one we're gonna ask if,
'cause you had some, last time,
we talked about how it seemed like
the audience gets kinda quiet
when we talk about horny stuff,
or the after dark stuff, or relationship stuff.
You're gonna ask about that if that's what they want,
'cause they get to shape the show.

(13:13):
They're like, no, we hate that shit.
But you said you had a bunch of comments
that people they were like, no, I love it.
- Lots of people loved it.
- Well, let's do it.
- Just quiet.
- Let's put some numbers down on it.
- Okay.
- And then we'll also do a poll of,
do you care if people are sick around you?
'Cause I also, in the same way as you are,

(13:35):
I'm like, get the fuck away from me.
- I hate it.
- I don't wanna be sick.
I hate being sick.
It ruins my fucking week.
I hate it.
I don't wanna be sick ever.
- Your weekend, it's a fucking nightmare.
- And I hate it when people are sick and they around me,
but it seems like most people don't care.
They just show up and they don't even,
I know it because half the time,
they don't even hide it.
They're just like, oh, I just got a little cold.
And I'm like, bitch, stay the fuck away from me then.

(13:57):
- My thing is, is I don't care if you are
on the upside, the upswing of the cold,
if you still have a cough.
If you have a cough, I feel like I want you to mask.
I don't want you coughing around me.
'Cause it means that you still have a viral load.
- Mm-hmm.
- Like get away from me.
I don't like it.
But if you're stuffy or you still kind of feel like shit,

(14:18):
the thing is that I don't believe people.
This is, okay, wait a minute.
Now that I'm talking about it,
if you come to me and you're like, oh, I'm feeling,
I'm starting to feel better.
I don't believe you.
Because you are a person who chooses
to be out in public versus saying, I'm sick
and I don't want to get anybody else around me sick.
- Mm-hmm.

(14:39):
- So now I'm like, you're kind of not being totally honest there.
- Uh-huh.
- You don't even.
- I mean, we all saw how that went with the pandemic.
How crazy that time was.
- Yes.
- 'Cause you had, I had a friend who was very much
anti-government, which I'm fine with.
I don't care.
I'm not like pro-government, pro-authority.
I'm like, yay, let's do what they tell us.
- Well, I mean.
- But he was all like--

(14:59):
- The Republicans are now, but like anyways.
- Well, my friend was like, dude,
I'm not wearing a fucking mask.
Blah, blah, blah, whatever.
And I was like, that's fine, whatever, I don't care.
And my stance during that whole thing with the mask was,
look, if you do the responsible thing,
you won't need the government

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have to step in and force you to do these things.
- Right.
- So like if you're sick and yourself identify as sick
and you stay at the fuck home,
like we're not gonna have a problem.
Problem is nobody will do that
'cause we have a bunch of fucking children.
And I literally saw that guy while he had COVID,
that the next day at the store hanging out by and flooring.
And I was like, I didn't talk to him,

(15:41):
'cause I'm not that close with him, but I was like, bro.
You're the one that's missed
herself responsibility and just don't, you know, all this shit.
Like, well, I don't know what to tell you, man.
If you're sick and it's a contagious thing
we don't know if it kills people or not yet.
Maybe stay home.
- Right.
- And that's the problem.
That's what leads to the fucking mask mandates and shizz

(16:02):
'cause people are like, well,
we can't trust these people to do the right thing.
So make 'em all wear a mask
'cause we can see if it's on their face or not, you know.
Like that's what makes us have this bullshit rule.
Which whatever, we're not gonna talk about it.
We're gonna move on to movies.
- Movies.
(laughing)
- People have already checked out.
One star of use coming in.

(16:23):
I went to hear about movies
and they could've talked about coughing and dumb shit.
(laughing)
Yeah, we gotta warm up.
We gotta warm up, folks, you know.
Okay.
- All right, movies.
- So movies are dying, theaters are dying.
Netflix might bring 'em back to life.
- Okay.
- We'll see what happens though.

(16:43):
- Now. - I kinda feel like
people have to quit clutching their pearls
and falling in fainting couches
because something inappropriate is set around you.
- Like come on, quick, try and--
- That's you lefties.
- Not just lefties.
- Shots far to the lefties.
- I'm sorry, that's not just lefties.
Lefties are the big, like the poster boy of that,

(17:05):
but religious people, they're fucking bulls.
- They're religious, right.
- I'm sorry, they will do it too.
- Yeah, they're kinda the worst one.
They're the originators of that.
- They're the originators, yeah,
as I was saying, they're the ones that started this shit.
- They're the original bulls.
- Don't square around me.
Don't say the Lord's name around me.
Okay, you don't do that.

(17:26):
That's not for me to not do, you weirdo.
Good Lord.
I think there is kind of like,
when we were watching that Leo movie,
I feel like there's a pushback a little bit on that.
- Yeah.
'Cause it will talk about the Leo movie.
- I know, I'm trying not to say it.
- It's third on my list.
- Okay, let's go.
- First, it's all about K-pop Demon Hunters on Netflix.

(17:47):
- I fucking loved it.
- You loved it.
- I loved it so hard.
It made me cry.
I loved it so hard.
- I'm so out of touch with my emotions.
The first time I watched it,
the first because we had a young family member over
and they were, and you know,
just to go back to where the show started.
Like everyone else, we're like,

(18:09):
okay, let's watch what a kid want to watch, I guess.
There's six adults in one child,
there's a child pick.
And it was just fine.
She's adorable.
- But the adults were also saying,
"Kid, this is really good."
I just say like, it's funny because you and I
lament over how things used to be,
but like we fell right into it, you know.
- It's the culture now.
- I didn't think anything of it.
- I didn't think like,
"Oh, this is stupid."
I think that, oh, I just assumed that's what we were doing

(18:31):
'cause that's how things are now.
- Yeah, it is the culture of it.
- And so it's just the observation
of how differently we grew up.
- Okay, yeah, yeah.
- Not that it's wrong or right,
it's just the exact opposite.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- And it does seem like it's a better choice.
Like instead of sitting there watching some
fucking weird shoot 'em up movie
and making the kids close their eyes,

(18:52):
every time a tit shows on the screen, I don't know.
What's right?
Who fucking knows?
Go ahead.
- Well, anyway, so we turn on,
they're like, oh, she wants to watch K-Pop Demon Hairs.
And I was like, oh boy.
So like first 10 minutes, I'm like,
oh, this is dumb.
This is childish.
- The first thing I do, I felt like it was like the Barbie movie.
Like not the movie with Margot Robbie,

(19:14):
but like the Nutcracker or something like that.
Like a cartoony movie.
- Yeah, it seems silly and juvenile.
- It just seems like a cartoon.
- I was like, this is fucking dumb.
But then about half hour in, I was like, okay, wait a minute.
This is kind of cool.
And everybody else was like, all right, those are all right.
But then I caught some occult themes in there.
So I had to rewatch it to do my show about it.

(19:36):
'Cause I was like, okay, I'm gonna talk about
a variety of things here.
- Yeah.
- And it hit me.
- Why hit you?
- My suppressed toxic masculine emotions.
- Oh.
- I mean, the second time I watched it, it hit me like a hit you
where I was like, this is a beautiful movie.
(laughing)
Little blob, I got a little blubbery.
- Did you?
- I did, I couldn't believe it.

(19:57):
- How can you tell me that?
- 'Cause I don't wanna tell you that.
(laughing)
I didn't think about it 'til you said something.
- I literally cried.
Okay, so we're sitting there at all ends
and I was like, I fucking love this movie.
It is so good.
And I was declaring, 'cause my whole,
the family members that were there
had already seen it before and they loved it.
And I was like, that was so fucking good

(20:18):
and it hit it just right.
Whereas like what I was discussing with them was
how Disney, what Disney does is they will take a cartoon
that's already made like such as Little Mermaid
and then they will insert a culture into it,
a black girl into it, which pisses off people

(20:41):
and whatever, which I thought she did a phenomenal job.
I don't have a problem.
The problem that I hated about, about, and what.
- It just sounds silly when you say it like that.
- The problem I am was.
- Which is not the pure white skin
that I wanted for my Little Mermaid.
(laughing)

(21:01):
It gives a shit.
- The problem I had with the Little Mermaid
was that it was dark.
Like when they were in the ocean.
The ocean was too dark
and I think that they should have made it more like Avatar 2.
- Vibrant.
- Vibrant because the cartoon was so vibrant.
- Yeah.

(21:21):
- So that's where it missed for me.
It was like, she was.
- It's the millennial gray of movies.
- Yeah, I think they tried to make it too realistic
whereas like the ocean would be dark.
- Oh, okay.
- Right, because that's their whole thing is like,
well, if in reality it wouldn't be bright and vibrant
out there, it would be more like this
or whatever, but in my head I'm like,

(21:43):
yeah, but that's not what was captivating
about that movie, the colors were.
- Yeah, you're right, it was very colorful in the cartoon.
- Yes, but then it got lost in the movie,
which I was so sad about
because I was really excited about that fucking movie
because that was like one of my favorite Disney movies.
- Yeah, I think we saw that in the theater.
- Disney does a thing where they will take an old story

(22:05):
that is like a German telling, like cancel and grittle.
I'll just say, this isn't for reals,
but I'm just gonna use it, okay?
So take cancel and grittle and then they'll throw in
a different culture into that
and cancel and grittle storyline,
which is so fucking dumb
because then it's like it doesn't have like,
everybody knows the story and they know it's a German telling

(22:29):
and so if you put in a Japanese person in there,
then it feels weird.
And I think every culture has these really great,
freaking stories that you have.
- Well, I see we're going with this.
I was like, wait a minute, what are you saying here?
- I'm saying that.
If you wanna have like a we are the world,
go to that culture and pull everything out of that culture.

(22:52):
Like Coco did.
- I got it.
- Coco was bright and vibrant
and it really encompassed the whole like Mexican thing
and it was beautiful.
The music sounded that way.
The story was all of that.
It was like, you took that culture
and you really made it amazing.
And that is-- - They showcased it a little bit.
- They showcased it with beautiful--

(23:13):
- It was Hawaiian, Moana.
- Moana.
- That is the same thing with the Hawaiian culture.
- Yes, that was beautiful.
- People love this shit.
- That's the shit you have to do.
Stop taking stuff that's already in the past and whatever
and then trying to bring it into the 2025,
like politically correct shit.
What they need to do is just make new movies
that are fully encompassed into that region.

(23:35):
And that's how I felt like K-pop demon hunters was.
- Oh okay, I got it.
- So they took the full beautiful scope of that culture
and brought it into the cartoon, into the movie.
And I fucking loved it.
It was magical.
- Yes.
- That's what I think that's where I think they're missing it

(23:57):
is like stop taking old shit that's already done.
Don't take snow white and make your fucking black.
Just make a beautiful movie for them.
That is not filled with animals, like lion king.
- You know what I'm saying?
- Because of a stupid observation, I like that.
- I just give them their own beautiful story.

(24:19):
- Like how Korean culture was showcased with K-pop demon hunters
instead of redoing Pinocchio and having jupetto be Korean.
- Exactly.
- Exactly.
- That's exactly what I'm saying.
- I'm gonna do that because that is it.
First off, it's a new story that something we haven't even heard of.

(24:39):
It was done beautifully.
The culture was showcased.
It was fully, it was beautiful.
And I think that that's what I was like getting choked up about.
It's like I love that it wasn't whitewashed.
I was like that is so stunning that we could have something
that of a different culture that got lifted up.
- In especially in this moment of time where everybody loves K dramas

(25:02):
and K-pop and they're really into this.
Korean skincare and whatever.
I think that that was such a fun, magical time to do that.
And that's how they should always move forward.
- The Koreans really have an emulment right now.
- Yeah, they are.
- An American culture.
- Yes.
- Pretty crazy.
- Anyways.
- Well, here's what's illuminate a firm about K-pop demon hunters.

(25:24):
It's based on shamanism and the creation mythologies of Korea.
The director Maggie Kang confirmed all this.
And she studied a bit of the shaman's,
shaman culture in Korea.
And they're called Moodang.

(25:46):
And most of the Moodang are actually women.
- Ow.
- You know?
- Shaman is basically like an intermediary
between this world and the next.
Kind of like a priest, you know?
- Okay.
- And all the stuff that they were talking about in that movie
was a real practice that the Moodang do to this day.

(26:08):
Dancing and singing for the gods
'cause they would try to channel these gods.
They were kind of like a pagan thing
in the sense of multiple gods to worship and things.
Some of them even become possessed by the entities
they're trying to communicate with.
- Ow.
- Which is pretty wild, right?

(26:28):
I did a show about this where we went real deep in the weeds.
People wanna check out my show, but you're gonna love it.
But one of the, and this gets too caught.
We don't have time to go through it all,
but there's one of the deities that the Moodang,
one of the main deities that they try to make contact
with is Chilsong.

(26:50):
And it's the spirit of the Seven Stars of the Big Dipper,
which ties us into this whole crazy thing
about the occult because Kenneth Grant,
which was, he was a magician.
He talks about this whole thing about,
and it's kind of what is in the Led Zeppelin Song Stairway
to Heaven.
It's about this occult thing of what they call

(27:13):
walking the Seven Stars.
And it goes into the, if he goes into a million crazy
arenas of awakening the chakra points, the Seven Chakras.
- Okay.
- In order to make contact with the gods.
It's pretty wild.
But anyway, yeah, there's a whole thing there.
And then, you remember-- - How do you get in contact
with your chakras?

(27:34):
- You gotta unlock them.
You gotta do these practices, typically through tantra,
through sex magic and tantra.
They think that you can unlock the Seven Chakras
and the energy, your Kundalini energy, can now flow through
up to the brain, up to the crown chakra,
and then it sort of opens up your mind.

(27:56):
And you somehow, I guess, feel God or something like that?
- Oh, interesting.
- I call it just bustin' and nut.
- That'll be weird.
That's so gross.
- Well, anyway, in the movie, do you remember how the girl
talked about watching a documentary about turtles?
- Remember that? - Yes.

(28:17):
- Remember she was wearing a shirt with turtles on it?
Also in that movie a couple times?
- Yes.
- Well, this goes back to occult ideas
and creation mythologies of our world,
'cause ancient cultures, they believed in cosmic turtles.
And they said that the earth was built upon a cosmic turtle,
meaning the shell is the dome and the belly is the flat earth.

(28:41):
And the turtle represents the matrix, the chaos matrix,
out of which order can be used to create a new reality.
- That reminds me of what's your friend's name
that you interviewed?
- Professor Diana Pousal.
- Yeah. - I like that you call her my friend.
I like the thing she's a friend.
- I think she's a friend.
- She's one of the coolest people I talk to.

(29:02):
- Yeah, anyways, go ahead.
- Yeah, well, yeah, because it was in her book, right?
- Right.
- Is the guy had in his backpack a piece of the UFO
and then the guy who he was talking to,
didn't know that in the next day, he said,
"Hey, I had a dream about your backpack
and I had a dream about the universe
"and it was turtles all the way down," is what he said.

(29:22):
And this dies into Saturn stuff and things like that.
- It was turtles all the way down?
- Yeah, it's a phrase used to describe
the continuous process of evolution.
It was a term popularized by a philosopher named Bertrand Russell
'cause someone said to him that the world's flat

(29:46):
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That's what I just told you about with the creation idea
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And Bertrand Russell says--
- What if they're not talking about it being
actually a flat earth?
What if they're just saying like experience is flat?
In linear, right?

(30:29):
Like our experience, instead of like everybody
trying to take that as--
- Lower dimension.
- Yeah, or lower--
- Three-dimensional reality is the flat earth, maybe.
- Well, what I'm saying is it's not talking
about a physical depiction of the actual earth
'cause you don't believe in flat earth, right?

(30:50):
- No, not at all.
- Okay, so flat earth doesn't exist
if when you start talking math, right?
Okay, so what if they're not talking about a physical
but a metaphysical, like an experience of life.
- Yeah, I see that.
- An experience of life is flat.
- Yeah, I do, I believe that.

(31:11):
- In the dome.
- Yeah, like we're restricted to three-dimensional reality.
- Right, which we all know isn't true
because we have like the different levels of light
that we can't see and that, you know,
that there's a whole part of existence
that we can't experience.
- Funny enough that we're gonna talk about that
with the age of disclosure next.

(31:31):
- Okay.
- You didn't see the part where they were talking about that.
- Oh, interesting.
Okay, go.
- Kind of, anyway.
- So Bertrand Russell says, well, what's the turtle standing on
and the woman says it's turtle's all the way down,
meaning it's just like an evolutionary.
- Standing on top of turtle, like a turtle,
like a standing on turtle.
- Like there is no beginning, there's no end.
Oh, it's kind of woo-woo-y.

(31:52):
- Yeah, but doesn't God say that he's beginning and the end?
So there isn't a beginning and the end.
He is the beginning and the end.
He is the alpha and the omega.
- Yeah.
- So maybe he's turtles all the way down.
- Yeah, isn't that weird?
That's what all this.
- Like God is turtles all the way down.
- You know, where's the ketamine trip that I took?

(32:14):
It felt very much like swimming through fractals
and like repeating shells.
I don't know how to explain that.
It felt like that, like turtles all the way down.
It felt like just things evolving and never ending.
Because there's moments of fear that would happen.
And I don't know what point of the trip where I would feel like
I was locked in this loop of trying to awaken

(32:37):
and evolve into a consciousness.
And I was like, I would see it and then I would lose it.
And I'd start over and then I'd see it and then I'd lose it.
And I'd start all over.
And by the time I got to the point of starting a new cycle,
it would be like, oh no, I'm stuck in this loop.
Boom, back to nothing.
And then I would evolve, evolve, evolve.
And I'd be like, oh my God, what am I doing in there?
What's happening?
Boom, start over.

(32:57):
And it's like, you can't remember it.
It was terrifying.
And then you couldn't remember the evolution?
Yeah, I don't know.
Does that make sense?
I don't know if I'm explaining it correctly.
Well, it kind of sounds like past lives.
Like, you're not like some people think of that we do this
until we figure out our path.
Like meaning we be--
Oh, car, huh?

(33:18):
We're in car nation.
That's our car.
We're in car nation.
Yeah.
And you forget all of the things you've learned
in your past life.
Yeah, yeah.
How you come back and you have to start it all over again
and try and relearn it.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Yes.
It felt like I felt like my consciousness was in this realm.

(33:39):
And I was trying to make sense of what was happening.
And I would get close to understanding that, oh, I am me.
And I am this consciousness.
And by the time I made the realization--
Oh, no.
God, I'm stuck in this loop.
What am I doing here?
What's my consciousness is trapped here in this realm.

(34:01):
And then it would erase and start all over.
And then I would--
During the ketamine trip.
During the ketamine trip.
Interesting.
And it's hard to explain what the soba's are.
But it's terrifying.
I think that's the loops they were talking about when they were
telling you not to talk to me.
Yeah.
Because you'd be trapped in a loop.
I think those are the loops.
Because the loop sucked.
But then you didn't--
You weren't always in a loop.

(34:22):
No, no.
Just at times.
OK.
And almost every time it would happen, though,
I would have a moment of-- and I don't know if it was
in the middle of the trip or when I was coming back--
I feel like it was when I was coming back down.
Because your consciousness is so launched out there
that when they cut the ketamine off, I'm guessing you have

(34:42):
to come back into your body.
And it felt like I was trying to come back in my body.
And then I would reboot.
And I'd start all over.
And then reboot and start all over.
Oh, interesting.
It's so weird.
OK.
Anyway, OK.
Well, yeah.
So turtles all the way down.
Turtles all the way down.
So yeah, this whole thing about the turtles
and it's in the story of it, Stephen King's It,
talks about the turtle creator.

(35:04):
Anyway, yeah.
And then I connect it with-- there's a movie on Amazon called
Bliss with Owen--
who's the guy from Wedding Crashers?
Wilson.
Owen Wilson.
And they use a lot of these same themes
in there of the Big Dipper and Turtles
as a simulation reality.
In it?
In Bliss, the movie Bliss, on Amazon.

(35:26):
Oh, interesting.
Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff with that k-pop
that I found.
And they use a lot of-- they had a lot of checkerboard floors.
Right?
OK.
Well, you were standing on a checkerboard floor
in the Laura Palmer house.
I know.
Luna, they confirmed me.
Can we never fucking talk about that?
What?
About how that lady said that she thinks
you're a reincarnation of that guy.

(35:47):
Oh, we did it.
Did we, huh?
No.
And that was fabulous.
Yeah, that was a good one, huh?
What did she say?
How do we--
She wore that into this?
Maybe at the end.
No, it's all about it now.
I'll go forget again.
Some lady-- I don't know who she is.
I don't remember her name.
She means nothing to me.
Some lady.

(36:08):
I know who's some content creator.
She's telling people that I'm a reincarnation of manly--
hall, manly-pe-hall?
Yeah.
Like a prominent occult thinker.
And she means it in a shitty way from what I can tell.
Yeah.
Like she's trying to discredit me as a researcher.
And I'm this big shill of a--

(36:28):
I'm a secret occultist trying to get people
indoctrinated into the occult.
But I found it flattering.
I'm like, wow.
If you think I'm as smart as manly-pe-hall, are you shitting me?
I've got his book.
I can't read the fucking thing.
It makes no sense to me.
But I look at the photos and I kind of do look like him
a little bit.
You do?
A little bit.

(36:49):
Yeah.
Look at manly-pe-hall.
Yeah, look him up.
And I thought, maybe--
maybe he was in my past life and he's trying to wake me up
to these things and be like, you need to share this message.
And I don't realize it.
And I'm just over here talking about it.
Oh my god, you do kind of look like him.
Isn't that weird?
Maybe that chick is right.
Maybe I shouldn't say that about her.

(37:10):
I'm not saying you're bad about her.
I'm just saying maybe I should--
Hey, that's fucking weird a little.
Do you think so?
I mean, you're-- it's not as--
Well, you know what else is weird.
But it's kind of like the eyebrows and shit.
And then nose.
You have that big distinct nose.
Big old schnauz.
Now--
That's fucking kind of crazy, dude.
It is kind of weird, huh?

(37:30):
Because I'm super interested in the occult.
I don't practice it, but I'm interested in it.
Like a weird patch of--
Look at that.
Look at that.
Now I want to do a bit.
Look up Kenneth Grant and tell me who this guy looks like.
There's one photo in particular.
Hopefully it's the first one that pulls up of him
when he was younger.
And I want you to tell me who you think it looks like.
I'll vamp while you're doing this.

(37:55):
OK.
Pam is a pamper vamp.
Sandra Pley said that to Johnny on the show,
and I've been trying to use the term--
I'm only getting the fucking--
Did I spell it wrong?
Why is it--
Let me look here.
I'm only getting a football player.
No.
Let me-- here, let me do it.
I'm getting a big guy, a big man, football player.

(38:20):
OK.
Let me find the photo.
Do I slap weird on my neck?
My neck--
That one, that big photo there.
Who does that look like?
You don't know?
It looks like--
I'm trying to think in nicknames.

(38:45):
Oh, he doesn't have a nickname, so you're on the wrong track.
Oh, it looks like that actor.
What's his Johnny Depp?
No.
No, I don't know.
J. Diar.
It looks like J. Diar.
Oh, I don't know the fuck--
I don't remember what J. Diar looks like.
No.
That's what J. Diar looks like.
I think it's kind of funny.
Like, what if J. Diar is the reincarnation of Kenneth Grant?

(39:07):
I'm the reincarnation of Manly Peahaw.
And we don't realize it.
And we're over here talking about all this stuff.
That's fucking weird.
Maybe--
That's for real weird.
It is kind of weird, huh?
Well--
Oh, I just didn't put magic.
I was like, why was I pulling up a football player?
Yeah, nobody knows who the guy is.

(39:27):
Only the cool people know.
So yeah, that's all I got for K-pop deep in hundreds.
You want to check out the full show?
It's on my podcast, "A Call Some Lisman Pop Culture."
Check it out.
I did it a couple months ago.
I think it's on the free feed if I'm not mistaken.
Next.
Manly Peahaw has a bigger forehead than you do, though.
Ah.

(39:48):
So impossible, then.
It's the eyes.
You got those almond eyes with those--
You got those intense eyes.
Look at those.
Let's see.
Oh, I like that.
That looks pretty cool.
These are a little bit more squinty.
Should I dress up like him for Halloween and nobody
will know who the fuck I am?
That's our typical Halloween costume.

(40:10):
No, I put it--
The summer recognized we were making mal from natural born killers
in one of the show art recently.
I was like, good fucking cached, man.
All right, nice.
The age of disclosure, a new UFO movie.
I'm going to watch--
I'm going to listen to your podcast about the K-pop
deep in hundreds.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
It's a good one.
It's pretty long.
Is it?

(40:30):
Yeah.
It's good, though.
It's one of the better ones I've done.
Very well researched.
I use to listen to you all the time,
and then I fell away from it.
Well, come on back in.
Why live with you?
Get in on the page, you're out for only a buck.
From a code drama right now, it's on November 30th.
[LAUGHTER]

(40:52):
I'll always fucking on, man.
I will grift my own wife.
Jacob.
So a little background.
The age of disclosure is a UFO documentary filmed
by a famous filmmaker called Dan named Dan Farrah.
OK?
And this--
Wait, what are we talking about?
I still think about the Manly P. Hall thing.
I'm sorry.
Tell me, same thing, one more time.

(41:13):
What movie are we talking?
The one I bought yesterday, the age of disclosure--
Got it.
Well, there's a director named Dan Farrah,
who's done fictional movies, like Ready Player One.
OK?
OK.
He's now doing a documentary.
And he did the phenomenon--

(41:34):
he was a producer on the phenomenon,
which was another UFO documentary that we also bought.
OK.
Anyway, he filmed this new UFO documentary called
The Age of Disclosure.
And it was making the rounds back in March for South by Southwest.
Everyone was talking about this.
They said this was the movie that's
going to make a nation of believers.

(41:55):
You're going to watch this and be changed.
You'll never be the same again.
OK.
Big-- in fact, there was rumors that there
was going to be proof of alien life in the movie.
OK.
Rumors.
Right.
Because of how much they were talking and hyping this thing up.
All right?
OK.
Now, obviously, we didn't go to Southwest Southwest.
So it released to Southwest.

(42:17):
And they were like, Dan Farrah's new documentary
leaves crowd stunned.
I was like, oh, shit.
But then I also thought, well, they must not
have had the video footage of a UFO or alien,
because that would have been out on the internet by now.
If someone saw it, it would have went on Reddit or somewhere
and be like, yo, what the fuck did I just watch?

(42:38):
So my expectations were mixed.
OK.
Back in March, they were really high.
But then afterward, since then, I was like, OK,
this must have not been that big of a deal.
No one's talking about it.
But then recently, Dan Farrah's been on Joe Rogan
and a bunch of shows talking about this documentary hyping it up.
Fuck Joe Rogan.
Go ahead.

(42:59):
And Joe Rogan was promoting this as the greatest UFO documentary
ever produced in all this shit.
So he's a liar still.
OK.
OK.
OK.
So the hype starts building again.
And it drops on Amazon.
You could buy it for $25.
Yes, or November 21st, I should say.
So yesterday being November 22nd, we bought it.

(43:20):
And I watched it.
What do you think?
And I got a lot of things to say about it.
Let's do it.
I fell asleep.
But you can't feed me and then put me on the couch on my clothes.
Like I figured out a way to make the couch so comfortable.
And then alien shows shit.
And I didn't even sit down.
I was trying to sit up.
Did you notice that?
I did.

(43:41):
Sitting up wasn't enough to stop the sleep.
The sleep demon got me here.
It was a great sleepy movie.
I'll give you that.
Fuck, man.
I was trying to throw an on about this shit.
You're like, huh?
OK.
I don't know how I don't have more nightmares.
Because you make me watch crazy stuff.

(44:01):
And I can't keep my eyes open on my own.
Well, let me tell everybody what's in it.
So they don't have to buy it.
Because I'll tell you why in my exciting conclusion
of final thoughts about this documentary.
OK.
Oh, you don't think they should buy it?
I'll explain why.
I can't wait to hear.
The-- here's what I found intriguing
in the whole two-hour documentary.

(44:24):
Louis Luzando, who's the guy who was the program manager
for the Pentagon for A-Tip, supposed program,
where they were doing UFO stuff in the 2000s.
He talks about the Collins Elite without using that term,
Collins Elite.
Why is that term so forbidden?
I don't know.
I think it's because it started out as conspiracy stuff.

(44:48):
And that's the name they gave it.
Who gave it that name?
The Collins Elite?
Yeah.
Was that a self-proclaimed name?
No, that was a religious people.
Or--
Collins, New York, supposedly, is where this came from.
What's this?
What are we talking about?
So OK.
So the Collins Elite, this starts--
this is in the Afro-Roswell, OK.

(45:08):
The Pentagon and a bunch of US intelligence agents there,
they're like, dude, we got fucking aliens.
What are we going to do?
Yeah.
So this group of Intel folks from Collins New York area,
allegedly, is where the name comes from.
They were assigned to research all this.
And this is all documented in Nick Redfern's book

(45:30):
called Final Events.
OK.
Through a contact he had named Rebu Shea, who supposedly was--
I don't know if he was in the program
or knew what the program was, something.
So that's where the conspiracy was.
So the guy wrote the book.
He got the information from Rebu Shea.
Yeah.
Got it.
OK.
And the story in the book is presented

(45:53):
as the Pentagon Assembles This Group to do research into--
And who is Rebu Shea?
I should know that.
I'd have to look it up.
OK.
He's the guy who told Nick Redfern was on Ancient Aliens
a bunch.
He was like the thin bald white dude with English accent.
OK.
Anyway.
This is like 15 years ago.

(46:13):
OK.
This book was released.
And the story is that the Pentagon
assembles the Collins elite to research UFOs and the occult.
OK.
Weird.
Yeah, exactly.
Weird that you would lump those two things together.
But the US government has had a history of this
in the CIA and the intelligence.

(46:35):
They've always been into this.
Part of MK Altru was a program called MK Often,
where they were specifically looking at Black magic and sorcery
and astrology and the occult.
Well, the reason they came up with all that
is because of people like Alistair Crowley and Jack Parsons.
OK.
These people were legitimately making contact with entities.

(46:56):
And the intelligence groups said, well,
we need to understand how to do this.
Can we weaponize this or can other countries do this?
And they weaponize it.
We need to figure this out.
And the Collins elite were--
after Roswell, they were put together.
And they, for many decades, supposedly

(47:18):
have this chokehold on the Pentagon of warning them
against pursuing alien technology and saying, hey,
the phenomenon, there's UFOs, these aliens,
it's all tied into the occult and demonology.
These things are evil.
They're demons.
You're talking to Satan.

(47:40):
Because the story is that these intelligence groups
were doing occult practices to try
to replicate the same thing Parsons and Crowley were doing.
OK.
They were--
Because the CIA was.
Yeah.
OK.
Kind of like Project Stargate, which, by the way,
how put off-- who was in Project Stargate
was in this documentary age of disclosure.

(48:00):
OK.
It was the same thing, using occult practices
of remote viewing to make contact.
OK.
So the Collins elite is this group in the Pentagon
that's been saying, like, hey, you shouldn't do this.
You're messing with the devil.
And Louis Elzando, a couple of times in the past,

(48:20):
has said this out loud on interviews.
He hasn't called him the Collins elite.
He just says--
and he has to zoom out.
He has to say, OK, what is Louis Elzando in these groups?
What are they trying to do?
They're trying to do some kind of disclosure
to make the American public--
when you say disclosure, you're using that.
You're saying they are trying to tell the American public.

(48:43):
They're just trying to tell us, like, there are aliens.
Yes.
You're not--
disclosure doesn't mean anything besides that.
Yeah.
OK.
And therefore, their flavor of it is to say,
look, there's aliens.
As UFOs, we've been studying on them.
We've been doing crash retrievals for decades

(49:03):
since the '40s.
OK.
And it's all real.
But do you have to ask yourself, well, then what's next?
Like, what's the thing they're actually trying to do?
They're not doing this because they
want us to just know some shit.
They're doing this for a reason.
And that's the big question.
It's like, what's their real angle here?
Right.
Because I feel like that constantly--
I feel like what, especially when it comes from the government,

(49:26):
anything that comes out isn't--
it's like everybody's bought the cool aid over there.
They've drank it.
They bought it and drank the cool aid, right?
So it's like, they have to go against a lot of programming
to go out and be like, I just feel
like the American public needs to know about this.

(49:48):
Which do you think that's the same as Bob Lazar?
Because Bob Lazar kind of blew the whistle on Area 51.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think Bob Lazar, his story is very believable.
His is, but Louis isn't for you.
I hate to say that because it makes me
make the sound like I'm saying he's a liar.

(50:08):
You don't think he's a liar.
You think he is motivated.
Like there's a reason--
Yeah, I think there's an angle.
There's an angle that all these people are in on.
I don't understand the angle.
But you don't think that Bob Lazar has an angle.
Fuck no.
Absolutely not.
That's interesting.
OK, go ahead.
So anyway, so Louis Luzando mentions this again

(50:30):
in this documentary that again has been hyped up,
has buy-in from a million and one famous people
in the current UFO disclosure movement.
OK.
That's the director's been on Joe Rogan.
The news has been talking about this since March.
Yeah.
I mean, this is all like we're supposed
to watch this documentary.
OK.
All right.

(50:51):
Yeah.
So Louis again repeats this in the way he always presents it is.
Well, you know, we need to research this alien problem
and the problem has been for decades.
There's this group in the Pentagon that keeps--
they're crazy Christians and they keep saying crazy shit.
Like, oh, we're talking to the devil.
We're going to have someone say it.
And if we do this, he always says it that way.

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Always.
And it's always in this joking manner.
Yeah.
And that's my beef with him.
I'm not saying the man's a liar.
I'm not saying we shouldn't unpack these things.
I'm not saying the government hasn't
been hiding shit from us for decades.
I'm saying I don't know what their angle
and motivation is, I don't like the way he says that.
Yeah.

(51:32):
Because I am in the opposite camp.
And I think I think you should listen
to those old fucking nutty Christians at the Pentagon
because I think there's some truth to what they're doing.
Because--
Or at least--
Looking at our Parsons and Allister Crowley,
we're fucking into you fucking clown.
What are you talking about?
Or at the very least, you should slow your role.
Yes.
Slow your role and figure out what your motivations are.

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Because when you try to minimize somebody's opposite opinion,
opposing opinion, then it feels like you're
trying to manipulate the conversation to be something.
Shoveled under the rug.
And then if someone brings up, you can be like,
I see what I'm talking about.
See what I'm talking about.

(52:15):
Crazy questions.
Yeah.
And look, I get it.
Christians are fucking crazy.
And they deserve to be ridiculed sometimes,
because they're insane.
I agree.
But here's one case where I say, OK.
No, we need to--
Yeah.
What my beef is, I'm like, I want disclosure.
I want to know everything that you guys have retrieved,
seen, done.
I want the evidence.
And that includes this consideration of the occult,

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because that's part of the whole fucking thing.
Yes.
So if you want to be the ones to tell us,
like, oh, guess what?
That wasn't UFO at Roswell.
Ha, ha, ha.
Yeah.
OK.
Let's also talk about how they were investigating how Jack Parsons
could have been involved with that,
because that's part of the story, too.
Interesting.
So that we can make an opinion as a public and say, well,
wait a minute, maybe this shit is demonology a little bit.

(53:01):
Interesting.
But they don't want to fucking talk about that side of it at all.
Never, never, never.
Very good.
I don't buy it.
OK.
So--
But this bubble is our--
bubble is our doesn't talk about what he thinks it is.
He literally only says, this is what I experience.
Yeah, totally.
OK.
Yeah, which makes it believable, because he

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doesn't have this angle of it.
He's just like, look, this is the thing I saw.
I saw this.
You figure out what you want to figure out about.
That's what I saw.
Yeah, you're right.
That is how he presents it.
OK.
He even saw that there was a religion study of the aliens,
too, where they said that they viewed the humans
as containers for souls.
OK.

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Which I'm packs a whole bunch of other shit.
Yeah, but don't you kind of feel like that's what it is?
Kind of.
I mean, that's a simplistic way of looking at it.
I think that that's what we are.
I think we're just like meat suits for souls.
Yeah, totally.
I agree with that.
Anyway.
So, Lou--
So, like, that's-- so what's the opposition of that?
And then, like, isn't that crazy?

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I don't know if it's crazy, but they understand us.
It looks like--
OK.
You're-- what you're talking about is that the aliens are saying
they're actually souls in a meat suit.
Yeah.
So it gives validity almost to a religious aspect of it,
like saying, this isn't the end.
And people say that the soul goes on.

(54:27):
Kind of, yeah.
And people say that the grays could be meat suits
without souls, and they're coming here
to try to get our souls to infuse into their bodies.
Oh.
Yeah, crazy, huh?
That's where a lot of this satanic stuff comes from.
It's like, yo, are they trying to steal our fucking souls?
Oh.

(54:47):
Yeah.
Anyway.
OK.
So if we're going to have a conversation about this shit,
let's have it.
Like, don't hit me with this fucking--
Those sugar coated.
Yeah.
Like, they're just aliens from another dimension.
Yeah.
So it could actually, like, it's a demon.
I mean, while they're over there doing a saiyan.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Well, then what the fuck?

(55:08):
Let me go through my notes and then--
Good.
OK, go ahead.
Sorry.
I just like to clear my--
I found that fascinating, though.
He again said it.
And he says that these crafts go 40,000 to miles an hour, which I found absurd.
Why do you find that absurd?
I mean, that's like 10 times faster than our fastest aircraft, I think.

(55:29):
But don't they always say that they can't keep up with them?
Yeah, that's true.
That's pretty fast.
I'm not saying he's lying.
I'm just saying, that's pretty crazy.
That's fast.
Yeah.
Then they had Commander Fraveron.
And he said that he had witnessed--
You have a real problem with Fraver.
I do have a real problem with Fraver.
You do.
I don't buy his shit either.

(55:52):
I think we talked about it years ago in this show.
Let's just give him a little.
The short version is that his story on Joe Rogan when he first--
because you'll notice Joe Rogan's part of this, too.
Yes.
They're using him to roll out this shit.
Yeah.
He has a role in this, too.
Fraver claims--
He does have a role.
Look at where we are now, because of--
Yes.
Fraver claims that he's this--

(56:14):
I'm not saying that claim, but Fraver
was a pilot on the Nimitz aircraft,
I don't know which aircraft.
He flew a fucking fighter plane jet.
And he claims that he saw this TickTack UFO.
And my problem with his story is that he says,

(56:39):
during the interview, yeah, my wife is always asking me,
if I've seen a UFO because she's super into UFOs.
He doesn't tell her about the TickTack UFO that he saw.
But then is that a bar talking to his other friends
in a public setting about the UFO that he saw?
That he was told he can't talk about,
because it's high-classified or whatever the fuck.

(57:00):
You're not supposed to talk about outside of a skiff.
Yeah.
But he's at a bar talking to his friends about it.
Doesn't tell his wife about it at all.
That's fucking strange to me.
I don't know what to make of that story.
Okay.
You know, if you were like, you would say to me.
I would come home immediately and be like,
it fucking happened.

(57:21):
He said on the show, he says,
my wife, every time I come home from a mission,
it says, did you see any UFOs?
Then 10 minutes later in his story,
he's revealed he never tells his wife about it.
Which isn't the, that's not crazy,
because he's not supposed to talk about it.
If it's a truly classified thing.
And I don't remember the story if he said it was
a classified or his commanding officer said, don't mention it.

(57:44):
I don't remember if he said it was a classified.
This was classified.
That's what I fill in my bones.
Okay.
Okay.
Either way, it apparently wasn't classified enough for him not
to go to the bar and talk about it in a public setting
that people can hear.
Right.
But yet you also don't tell your wife
who every day asks you if you saw a UFO.
Like, but maybe he fucking hates his wife.

(58:04):
I mean, there's plenty of guys that hate their wives, I guess.
It's just strange.
Yeah.
They don't add up to me.
That's one of them.
Okay.
So anyway, he's on this too.
And he says that he saw a craft that would be,
or said they were craft, that would be 80,000 feet in the,
in the atmosphere, which is a space.
Okay.

(58:24):
They would come down and they would sort of, I don't know,
float there for three hours and then pop all the way back
out to space.
Which he said, like, we don't have that kind of technology
to do that.
Yeah.
Which is pretty crazy.
Then Gary Nolan.
And I think what he says, we, I think he
saying humans.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Gary Nolan, who was in Pissolka's book, American Cosmic, I think he

(58:46):
was James as the pseudonym was James.
He's this, this really smart guy, right?
He said he saw people who had to, had interacted with UAP and they had
scarring in their brains from it.
Oh.
And applying like, look, these things can be dangerous as well.
Uh huh.
Then I think that you remember watching that show that

(59:09):
was talking about alien encounters.
I think it was called alien encounters.
And they were, I got, I want to say they were in Peru or some South
America, some Latin country, right?
Where an aircraft dropped and there was a black tall alien running

(59:29):
around.
Do you remember this?
Yeah.
And people got sick from it.
Anybody that got had an encounter with it had some kind of
like radiation poisoning or something like that.
Bigly.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Hmm.
Well, and then they said that, uh, some, somewhere in the documentary, they

(59:50):
mentioned that they think that it could be that what these craft are doing is that
they're in a bubble.
And the things inside the bubble aren't affected by the space time outside the
bubble. And that's why they can pop in and out and fly so fast, you know, because they
said the G forces of how fast they move would liquefy anybody inside.

(01:00:13):
Yeah.
And they think that they've mastered.
I don't know.
Technology or physics, they've mastered physics so that they could put themselves in this
protective bubble.
And the people that are getting sick, it's because they're, I don't know, getting too close
to the bubble or something.
Oh, okay.
I mean, and they fucking know this is what's annoying.

(01:00:38):
They've known if they've got the sugar 80 years, they know way more than what they're
fucking letting on.
Yeah, they're not just like, we don't know.
No, you know more than this.
And this is the same thing with the Epstein bullshit where they're like, yeah, dropping
a little bit at a time.
They know the whole fucking story.
They don't, they just won't, they'll give us all of the info and let us fucking piece

(01:01:01):
it together.
But they've already pieced it together.
They fucking know.
Yeah.
Which is obscene.
Yeah, they're teams of people in intelligence agencies that know the whole story.
And they won't come, they will, even if they declassify it and come out with it, they're
not just going to tell us what the fuck.
Yeah, just put it in a book and let me read it.

(01:01:22):
Jesus.
So what they do, it's a curated version.
It's a lie like the JFK bullshit, like the everything else.
They just will not quit fucking like.
That's what they do.
Go ahead.
They, the guy talks about how there's fatality rates of 25% of people that were on UAP retrieval

(01:01:45):
teams.
They talk about us.
This is what I started falling asleep.
Okay.
So let's get fuzzy now.
Get fuzzy.
Go ahead.
They talk about us, those which are submergeable objects, meaning they go into water.
Which is about Bill Cooper's story is in Bill Holtapel horses that he was naval intelligence
and he saw a craft come out of the water with his own eyes.

(01:02:09):
He said he's seen that and he didn't know if that was some disinformation that they wanted
him to see and talk about publicly or if that was a real sighting or what it was, he said
he just never knew.
Then they talk about the breakdown.
This feels a little disclosury.
They talk about, they called it the legacy program.

(01:02:30):
That's kind of the UFO deep state.
They call it this the legacy program and it consists of CIA, Air Force, Department of
Energy and Military Industrial Complex Contractors.
They basically explain how that works.
I thought that was interesting.
You know, I think is the most dangerous thing that's going on in America right now is how

(01:02:54):
they have gotten rid of, they have a let corporations come into federal projects.
And that seems crazy dangerous to me.
Instead of just hiring these people and having your thumb over them and like being able
to do whatever, now we've given the information to a for profit company.

(01:03:18):
Well, they funded it.
They explained it on there.
They explained it on the fucking money.
They explained on the documentary, they said that the reason why the contractors have this
UFO technology is so it can avoid the FOIA process of Freedom of Information Act.
Because the second the government owns it, now people can just petition and say, what
do you know about this?

(01:03:39):
And they can get the information.
But if Lockheed or Northrop or some contractor has it, they can't do that.
They're not.
So it's a fucking loophole.
It's a loophole, huh?
What?
That's insane.
The president isn't supposed to know about the programs because he's supposed to have
deniability because they're because they always ask the president, what do you know about aliens?

(01:03:59):
Yeah.
If he doesn't know, then he can't say anything.
It doesn't have to lie.
So that's why they keep the president in the dark supposedly.
Interesting.
They how they mentioned that there's two non-human species that we know about, the casually
through that in there.
Okay.
Don't explain what they are.

(01:04:20):
Oh, they don't say it.
Nope.
What?
No, just casually mentioned in there.
Why would they not say that?
I don't know.
I don't know what that reals too much.
I have no idea.
Okay, wait.
So they said we know that there are, we know for fact that there are two alien species.
Yeah, they call them non-human intelligences.
Okay.

(01:04:40):
It's about the 45 minute mark if anyone's curious.
Check it out.
Okay.
Then how put off says that he describes the crashed UAP as, because he says, because he
rightfully so says a lot of the critiques about crashed Uofull theories is that how are
these things that are so advanced and smart that can travel through time and space?

(01:05:01):
Why are they crashing, which is totally a valid critique?
That's a good point.
And he says maybe it's because they're gifts, which is the same language we find in Danipa
Salca's book.
They call them gifts.
Maybe they're crashing them on purpose so that it moves us.
It's like the Prometheus.
Prometheus.
Promete, is that right?
Yeah, exactly.

(01:05:22):
Exactly.
That's fucking weird.
But then why would they have alien on the gifts?
Like they want them to be on there too?
I've heard that the aliens were so, if they're grazed, they're just soulless things.
Like they're not real.
They're expendable to each other.

(01:05:46):
Interesting.
Or it's a trading program because they say Eisenhower signed a deal where we would trade
and they would get to abduct humans and they would give us some gray aliens.
Oh.
Where to?
So maybe that's that.
Oh.
Then there's lots of fear talk about like, oh my God, what if Russia or China figures out

(01:06:09):
how to this UAP technology before we do, we better put some money into this and figure
it out.
Okay.
Then how put off talks about how George Bush apparently was curious about how to do disclosure
with the American public.

(01:06:29):
Bush was talking about how Russia, China and the US have all retrieved crashes and he wanted
to reveal this to the public apparently.
But didn't.
They talk about how the Vatican has evidence of alien life.
They don't say what it is.
But Diana Pesaka goes to the Vatican.

(01:06:50):
She makes a big deal about going to the Vatican and looking at their UFO archives.
But I wonder if there's something more to it.
Do they have a craft or something?
Interesting.
Then in the archives, you think?
Somewhere.
Then Louis Elizando says that Roswell was real.

(01:07:13):
There were four bodies recovered.
There was hieroglyphs on the craft, which was all depicted in the movie.
You ever watched the movie, Roswell?
Like a depiction of the, I think Mark, Mark Sheen was in it, I think.
I think so.
Yeah.
Like a long time ago.
And then they did.
Like in the 80s or something, right?
Exactly.
Yeah.
And then they did in fact send the craft to right field for reverse engineering.

(01:07:38):
They talk about the year 1947 being a pivotal moment in history, which was ironic because
me and Joel Thomas from Free to Rabbits are doing in two part in 1947 series, dropping on
Monday.
Okay.
And saying all the things that we basically talk about, which I found fascinating that Lou
said this back in March, apparently, on the documentary.

(01:07:59):
See, sometimes I feel like we get into, like sometimes I wonder if it's not like
you tap into a creative place.
And that creative place is already like other people are tapping into a similar place.
Yes.
Well, it's interesting because Lou again doesn't mention the occult activity of surrounding

(01:08:23):
1947.
He just mentions the Truman and the National Security Act and the creation of the CIA and the
Roswell crash, which we, me and Joel talk about, but we also talk about all the occult
activity going on around this time.
Okay.
Then, let's see, they talk about, let's see.

(01:08:44):
They talk about the UFO's messing with the nukes.
Okay.
We already talked about that.
Okay, we already talked about that as well.
Yeah, that's about, okay, so that was it.
So that's basically, we talked about all the things they talk about and my beef with
it in conclusion.

(01:09:05):
It's annoying because it seems like they're really putting a lot of money and effort and resources
into convincing us about this world altering belief in extraterrestrial life and they do
it through the least trustable people on the planet, politicians and intelligence agents.

(01:09:26):
I mean, isn't that insane?
Yeah.
Tell them, and military industrial complex people, you're telling me the people that have
been fleecing the American public and lying to us.
These are the people I'm supposed to believe on something this important.
Get the fuck out of here.

(01:09:47):
You know what I mean?
I agree.
And I'm not saying that they're lying.
I'm just saying that you're going to need to come with some evidence if you're going
to believe your asses.
Yeah.
I think they believe that they have the credentials of believability.
And they kind of do, right?
They do.
They're talking to forced our generals and high up CIA agents that, I mean, those would be

(01:10:10):
the people that would see this stuff.
Yes.
So they're having the credentials around it.
The problem that you say is like, you guys have lied to us consistently for hundreds of years.
And now, and we've seen it and you've come out with it like the golf of talking, the JFK

(01:10:31):
shit project, blue book where you literally were doing disinformation to make sure we didn't
believe in UFOs.
And now we're supposed to let all of that go and believe you.
We're supposed to believe you this time.
And my beef is, I agree.
This story could be believable.
Show me the fucking evidence.

(01:10:51):
Yeah.
Oh, oh, really?
They got four alien bodies and the craft had glyphs on it.
Fucking dope.
Let's see the goddamn photo.
Yeah.
How many hundreds of dollars have I spent on these UFO documentaries with not a fucking thing
to show?
Why?
Why don't they?
It's like you had it.
They have.
You know they fucking have it.
It drives me nuts.
Maybe they'll get killed or something.

(01:11:12):
Like, why if you're going to be this person that's going to blow the fucking whistle, why
wouldn't you come out with evidence besides just this is my word?
Trust me, bro.
No.
You're an intelligence agent.
I don't trust you.
I'm sorry.
You're probably a great guy.
Hell, you might be a fucking hero right now.
Yeah.
How can I tell the difference?
Yes.
I know in the past you guys have done a lot of shady shit.

(01:11:33):
Yeah.
And it brought me.
And I mean, I feel like the last five years, the last at least the last five years has been
nothing but a propaganda bullshit storm.
Yeah.
How can people believe anything that the government says at this point?
Without the evidence.

(01:11:53):
Yes.
I agree with you.
I totally agree with you.
It's just it's.
I think we've all woken up to the fucking truth of the matter, which is America gets propagandized
at an extreme level.
Yeah.
And everyone is, everyone is bought paid for.
Yeah.

(01:12:14):
How do you think they got Joe Rogan to endorse President Trump?
Yeah, exactly.
There's a nice fucking pay day in that.
The Joe Rogan for years has been a very liberal minded guy and I liked him for that.
I don't even care if you're liberal.
I want centrist.
I want people that I don't want.
Joe Rogan seemed like a very moderate dude.
He did seem moderate.
He did.
That's what was shocking that he was, I get not wanting to endorse, I kind of get not wanting

(01:12:37):
to endorse Kamala or not want to endorse anybody as a public figure like Joe Rogan,
I get that.
Like I understand that.
Yeah.
Like why bring politics into this?
Like you've got this business and like don't fuck with it, right?
Yeah.
And they're bizarre to endorse Trump.
Like how much did they fuck a pay you the night before the election to come out and say,
you know what?
I support this fascist.
He was so embarrassing.

(01:12:57):
I support fascism.
What is so embarrassing?
Is that people fucking drink it up?
Hookline and sinker.
They just tell me what to believe Joe Rogan.
It's crazy.
They know embarrassing.
They know and Joe Rogan knows how influential he is.
That's why he got a big fat pay day for that.
I guarantee he did.

(01:13:17):
I guarantee it.
It's upsetting because like I get the groceries were expensive.
I understand why people like I wanted to vote for the guy who's going to fix groceries.
Like why don't you believe him with no plan?
Why did you believe him though?
Yeah.
You didn't know how to pronounce groceries.
He's never stepped foot in a grocery store.
Yeah.
He's never done one thing to show that he gave a fuck about anyone in the middle class.

(01:13:38):
He never heard of the word.
But you think he's going to fix it?
And it's like groceries was a new fucking word to him.
It's gross.
It's crazy to me.
Yes.
And it's like everyone is bought and paid for and like that these are the same people promoting
this documentary.
Yeah.
Just put together by intelligence agents and promoted on Joe Rogan and all this shit.

(01:14:00):
Yeah.
Okay.
I just think that's all part of this propaganda.
I'm like for fucking what though exactly to make us all say gosh, I really hope I want to learn
more.
Let's I don't know what the end game is.
Is it to get more money for funding for Lockheed or I don't know.
Yeah.
And it's like until you guys show us some shit, I'm not listening to a fucking word you say.

(01:14:21):
Well, they've lost.
I feel like the what has happened in the last it fucking five years.
I mean, that's all in six years is that we have lost complete trust in.
Oh, what's the word I'm looking for in not government, but institutions, right?

(01:14:41):
We've lost trust in police officers, which that has been dwindling forever.
But like in the last five years has been very blatant of what's happening.
Now we're losing in judicial.
Like that's been also kind of been going on for a long time.
But now it's very apparent.
And now you know what I mean?
It's just it's every institution they're kicking it at its knees.

(01:15:05):
Yeah.
And I'm like, why are we doing this now?
People are trying to destroy America from the outside, from the inside.
I agree.
I agree from the inside.
This is what that Steve Bannon Alexander Dugan connections all about in traditionalism.
It's all about making us question our institutions so that we crumble.
Yeah.
Because you need trust in your institutions to work as a society.

(01:15:28):
And when there's too much distrust like it turns into an hour.
But this is what's insane is like they they they I've okay, go on to the next one because
I feel like they're trying to stoke a fucking civil war.
And that leads us to Leo Leo's back.
One battle after another by Paul Thomas Anderson.
What do you think about that movie?

(01:15:49):
I thought it was the weirdest fucking movie I've ever seen.
Oh, I loved it.
And you know, you know Paul Thomas Anderson, he also did Magnolia, which I loved.
Oh, remember that Tom Cruise.
Denise the peace.
Yeah.
Oh, Denise.
Do you know he came up with that character Tom Cruise?
Oh, really?
Yeah, that wasn't even supposed to be his character.

(01:16:10):
He he he came up with that whole thing the whole stick of the guy who's the red pill alpha
bro.
And Paul Thomas Anderson was like, all right, back.
Go for it.
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah.
Because Tom Cruise is great too.
Yeah.
You love to talk about your boyfriend.
Oh, Tom Leo.

(01:16:30):
Fellas.
What are we going to do?
Okay, go ahead.
Yeah.
So one battle after another pretty long movie to be fair.
Out of that long.
It's one of the reasons I didn't go to the theaters to see it.
But it and no plot spoilers.
I should have I should have mentioned that earlier, I guess.

(01:16:50):
No plot spoilers, but it was interesting because it was filmed last year.
It's filmed in 2024 when President Biden was still in office.
And the opening scene is about a bunch of revolutionaries because Leo plays the role of
a guy in the in this revolution group.
And let's call him Antifa.

(01:17:12):
That's called Antifa.
Because that's basically what it is without right?
Like this is the boogie man that every conspiracy right wing fucking up bag thinks this is
Antifa.
Yeah, totally.
Like it's a literal terrorist group that's robbing banks and blowing up shit and killing
people.
Yeah.

(01:17:32):
But yeah, this was filmed last year and they have a they start out with a scene of they
don't call it Antifa in the movie.
In the movie they're called the French one 75.
Yeah, the French 75.
And it's this whole scene about the border and ice like holding what do you call it?

(01:17:55):
Families and children in the concentration camps.
Yeah.
Which was all wrapped up in tin foil blankets and laying on mats that are on the floor.
Yeah, and yeah, like the military and Department of Homeland Security sort of like keeping them
imprisoned or whatever.
Well, they all had ice uniforms on.
Yeah, they did.
It was like that weird quasi police slash military.

(01:18:18):
Military look ice.
Yeah, they were in military fatigues with ice all over the fatigues.
Which I'm like, was this?
Like in the zeitgeist, is this was this a thing in 2024?
Were we talking about it?

(01:18:38):
I remember it was though because I remember there was border issues because remember they
were shitting on Biden because he had botched a bunch of shit at the border, I guess.
I don't remember.
Yeah, but like the first, okay, so I remember in the first term of Trump, they had children
in cages.
Okay.
Remember?
So I kid that was kind of like, yeah, because then Melania came out and everybody was like,

(01:19:02):
dude, you have literal children sleeping on floor and mats and they're getting like
raped and missing and all kinds of stuff in these, in these detention centers.
Okay.
And she wore a jacket that said, I don't care.
That's right.
You're right.
And I was like, whoa.
I forgot about that.
What a fucking bitch.
That's wild.

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So maybe it's not.
So maybe it's not as a fucking first lady to wear a fucking jacket to say that what an
optic.
I mean, to be fair, she doesn't seem like she cares.
Oh, yeah, that's 100% true.
I don't get the feeling she does care.
Yeah, but I guess I'm like used to politicians saying that they care and not doing a fucking thing.
You know, these guys are saying they don't care and not doing it.

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And then also not doing a fucking thing and then doing and making it worse.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
Well, I guess that's refreshing.
Yeah.
The movie had a lot of themes about military presence of rounding up immigrants or illegal,
whatever you call it, whatever the fucking PC terms.
Brown people.
Yeah.
Go ahead.

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Like I was a major theme of the movie, which made me also think that this is like stoking
civil war showing us how to do it.
That's what I thought.
I was like, what an interesting thing is that you're going to release this movie.
Now that we know that the CIA controls Hollywood.
Every movie that's coming out has to go through the CIA, right?
Of every movie does, but I feel like I feel like that's probably safe to say it happens.

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That's not what on Bill Marr.
What is that guy that was in Vietnam and he does all those.
Oh, yeah.
Oliver Stone said Oliver Stone said that it all goes through.
Okay.
Probably big blockbusters for sure.
Like this probably.
I don't know.
Yeah, probably because you know, there was a film might be able to get out of stuff, but

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this wasn't an independent.
I think it was.
I would say this one did because the scene where the remember the scene where the military
guy goes into the tent to talk to Sergeant or Commander Lockjaw.
Yeah.
And he gave him a salute.
Remember we both were like, oh, yeah, did a proper salute because you don't see that
in movies all that time all the time.
The salutes are usually fucked up.
That's a very good point.

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Yeah, the salute was on the money.
I was like, that's an accurate salute for military.
We didn't talk about this, but he was standing at the position of attention, which you never
see that in movies accurately portrayed either.
Like your hands like this with your thumbs and there's straight down to your sides.
Okay.
That's the position of a family.
So you do a fist with your thumb on top of your fingers.
Basically, yeah.

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And that's rarely depicted correctly in movies also.
So they nailed that.
And I thought about it when we were watching.
I thought, well, maybe that guy was actually in the military or something.
But given the amount of military stuff going on in this movie, I wouldn't be shocked if
the feds were there on scene for some level of accuracy.

(01:21:59):
And why do they keep trying to stoke a fucking civil war?
Why is that the thing that's it's all over stuff?
Do you remember there was a movie that came out?
I think Netflix came out with a movie and I think it was called Civil War.
It was Alex Garland movie.
It was depicted of like a dystopian fucking horrible shit that could happen in a civil

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war, right?
And now so either they're doing it to be like, hey, don't do this.
This is going to fucking suck.
Or they're trying to show it like, hey, you could do this.
Uh-huh.
These are some things to consider.
Hey, you guys, I mean, if you don't like stuff, why don't you guys do this?
And then in the scene where they were having, they were showing how it works at protests,

(01:22:44):
how they have their side go on to the protesters side to stoke to make the protest go even crazier.
Yeah, there's a scene where people are protesting the military presence and Sean Penn's, he's
the commander guy.
He says, he says, let's get this party started.
Send in Eddie Van Halen.
And Eddie Van Halen is a guy that's with the protesters and he gets the signal like, okay,

(01:23:08):
do it.
And he's wearing a shirt that has Van Halen or some shit on it.
That's why they call him Eddie Van Halen.
And he has a Moltov cocktail and he starts the fucking thing and he throws the Moltov cocktail
after the military.
And then all the protests are circling crazy and the military can now shoot at them and
all that shit.
Yes.
You definition of a false flag.
Well, and that's the same thing is that we where they kept seeing how to bricks and

(01:23:32):
up at protests.
Yeah, pilots of bricks always show up.
And it goes for protests on either side.
You see them on either side.
So like it's, yeah, I don't know what I'm watching.
When we were watching this movie, I was like, dude, they're trying to fucking stoke a civil
war or they're trying to either discredit the protest, which is that they're already trying

(01:23:54):
to do that.
Okay.
Where they're they're making it basically illegal to protest shit.
Okay.
The Trump administration.
Okay.
And or they're trying to show case like this is why we need to do that.
It could be that they're they're presenting it from both angles because when I watch the

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movie, okay, if I'm if I turn my brain off and just soak in this movie and say, what does
it make me feel?
On the one hand, I think, oh, the rebellion is pretty cool.
Like they've got these little secret fucking call signs and this whole, this whole plan
of how they're going to, you know, attack the military and they can hide out in places.

(01:24:37):
I'm like, that's kind of cool.
Yeah.
But then another part of me thinks, being one of those ice people looks kind of cool.
You get to wear the badass fucking Navy seal shit.
Uh-huh.
Like that looks kind of fun too.
So you're picking your side.
So I'm thinking like it depends on who you are.
If you're if you're a guy who likes the fucking Navy seal shit, you'd be like, bro, I'm going
to fucking join ice, man.

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They're paying me 50 grand and I get to wear those badass.
That's why I feel like they're stoking it.
And then if you're a hardcore like leftist, you might be like, dude, we should fucking do
this.
We should start an underground fucking movement.
That's what I'm saying is like they're over there putting kindling on a fire.
Yeah.

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Interesting.
Great movie though.
And you notice there was a secret society in the movie.
Did you catch that?
Yes.
Christmas Adventurers Club, which I think is a satanic secret society.
Did you think that?
Yes.
Okay.
But they draped it in Christian belief systems like they would talk about Saint Nick.

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Yeah, they would say, "Hail Saint Nick," which sounds like Hail Satan.
Oh.
Because I did exactly like that.
Hail Saint Nick.
Oh, that's it.
I didn't pick that up.
Yeah.
That's a good one.
And they were obviously okay with murder and stuff like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But great movie though.
Loved it.

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Next.
Oh, we already talked about this Frankenstein.
Oh, we didn't really talk about it.
Okay.
Let's talk about Frankenstein real quick.
I fucking loved it.
You loved it.
What'd you love about it?
I loved the sets.
I loved the colors that he used all over the fucking place.
I like that green was everywhere.
And I didn't know that it is the same guy that did shape a water.
The director.

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Hmm.
Which we had just watched.
He used the same tones of green in shape of water.
Oh, good call.
Yeah.
And you know what it also reminded me of?
Fucking Wizard of Oz.
Yeah.
Kind of.
Same fucking green.
That brown shirt.
That brown shirt.
True.
Our emerald-y looking.
It was beautiful.
He would use different shades of it.

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The costumes were beautiful.
The sets were fucking beautiful.
And I heard that he likes to build the sets.
So none of that was like CGI.
He does like a building of all of that stuff.
Yeah.
Guillermo del Toro.
Yes.
He also did.
What else did he do?
He did Pinocchio.

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He did shape a water.
Oh, there's another one.
Pan's labyrinth.
Pan's labyrinth and we were supposed to watch that.
Yeah.
Crimson Peak, which looks cool too.
Yeah.
It's cool.
It's a cool movie.
I thought it was a wonderful movie.
Super.
They made Frankenstein really likeable.
They like how they--
The doctor or the monster?

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No, no, no.
Well, the whole story is that the real monster is
Dr. Frankenstein.
Good tooshay.
So, but monster.
Because he doesn't have a name.
Did they ever give him a name?
No.
So monster, I don't know.
And I think it's set up.
Nobody fucking believes me.
But I think it's set up for part two.
But that guy never does a part two.

(01:27:45):
So maybe I'm wrong.
Oh, you looked into this then.
Yes.
No, I talked about it at this salon.
Oh, I believe you.
I think it makes total sense.
Tell them your theory.
My theory is, well, I mean, what if they didn't watch it?
I thought we were doing no spoilers.
Oh, okay.
No spoilers.
No spoilers.
I can't tell you.
But watch the end of it.
Tell me if you think that they're
geared up for a part two.

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Because I think that they are.
But that's just me.
I agree with you.
I think they are.
What if it's not Del Toro filming directing it, though, you know?
Yeah.
Okay.
Which I hate when they do that because then they
lose the continuity of the sucks.
I know.
But yeah, Frankenstein is one of the most occulted tales ever.
It's written, it was inspired by a castle, the Frankenstein castle, where Johann Dippel,

(01:28:32):
who was an actual alchemist, was living in.
And the original title is Frankenstein or the modern Prometheus.
And it's again, the idea of the evils that can happen when man seeks to.
So, plant God and create technology that can do, you know, give life to the unanimated

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and things like that.
Now, what's even more interesting is that in my, I wrote a substack article of people who
are interested, go to illuminatiwantcher.substack.com.
I give you the brief explanation of the occult connections to Frankenstein.
But in the book by Mary Shelley, the doctor of Victor Frankenstein is intrigued by all

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these occult masters, Cornelius, Agrippa, Albertus Magnus, Paracelsus.
And from this, Anton Lovet used the same phrase, the Lord of his imagination to describe Mary
Shelley in the Satanic Bible.
Because it's all about mankind's freedom to detach from the stream of God's consciousness

(01:29:46):
and God's will.
Do you think that they were inspired by this?
Because they're all crying now because they're like, we're just not moving fast enough.
They're having this like tizzy fit on national fucking stages.

(01:30:08):
Yeah.
Of how we don't move quick enough and break everything.
I think so.
Is it that they're inspired by the occult or is it, it just so happens?
I think they're inspired by the occult.
I think they look into all this stuff.
I think they do.
I think they understand it.
And that's what makes it so intriguing because it's like they don't want the masses to

(01:30:32):
know these things.
Because they never talk about it.
But then it sprinkled it in.
It's a little bit.
But sprinkling in, is that just a little like fuck you?
Well, they're just thinking about it all the time.
And they're like, they're infatuated with it.
So they can't help it mention it a little bit.
But yeah, Frankenstein was a good movie.

(01:30:53):
Again, another Netflix, right?
So Netflix is crushing it.
The K-pop demon hunters, the Frankenstein movie.
But the fucking problem I have with the Frankenstein shit is that that should have came out at
the end of September beginning of October, not the end of October into November.
Yeah, it's like having a Halloween party on November 1st.
Yes, it was too late.

(01:31:14):
It's too late.
Why would you do that?
I'll do it.
I thought that was weird.
It was a weekend.
Yeah, but the moment's gone.
The next day, the moment's gone.
Okay.
I feel.
Well, it is day of the dead.
Isn't it?
Wasn't it the day of the dead after?
Yeah, I think so.
So it's like we could continue it in that spirit.

(01:31:37):
That's true.
But that's all I got.
There's then there's some upcoming movies that, you know, do you like, we could want, we
could too is coming out or it's out right now.
I'm not going to watch it.
Those bitches are fucking weird.
What do you think about that?
I don't know.
There are a what's her name?
Ariana Grande and then what's the woman's name?
Amy Oleg Grande.

(01:31:58):
Why do you do that?
Because she has a nasally voice.
I don't know how to do it.
My voice is too low.
Crazy.
Anyways, and then her co star.
It's easily the worst voice I do.
By far.
By far.
I don't know who it is.
Well, I would stop doing it, but people ask for it.
So I got to do it now.
Okay.

(01:32:18):
Little Ariola's Grande's.
And then Cynthia something.
No, what's her name?
Those women are fucking weird.
I think that's publicity stunts.
Do you do?
You totally, yeah.
They're just acting.
And I think I've seen people, you know, theater kids are out of all the nerds.

(01:32:42):
Theater kids are the worst.
I think they're the worst ones.
Which saddens me because I love the art so much and I love film.
And I'm probably, you know, some of the people I respect so much are probably theater
nerds.
Right.
Why is it probably a theater nerd?
Did you wouldn't know it?
You had no?
They know how to turn it off.

(01:33:03):
That's when you lose me is like when the theater kids can't turn the shit off and you're like,
oh my god, you guys are such fucking dorks.
So like I give them a little space to be that.
But I'm also fine.
I also kind of love the not give a fuck that a theater kid has.
Respect that too.
There's a little bit of respect there.

(01:33:24):
Because they'll like, they'll go larp.
You don't think they're gonna larp.
Fuck you, dude.
They're doing it.
Larper than the park.
You don't think that they're playing D&D.
Yeah, they are.
And they're dressing up in costume while they do it.
Oh, dear.
You know what I mean?
And I love that.
They're the ones that get super into Halloween.

(01:33:45):
To be fair, the theater nerds probably have life figured out.
Oh, okay.
Why?
Don't you think?
Because there's not the, isn't the thing of life, right?
And it wasn't the, God said to be child like, you know, I lose that all the time.
Isn't that, isn't it fun when you're playing?
Yeah, I like to, I'm a big player.

(01:34:05):
I like to play.
You are a big player.
I think that I'm in the sense of like an adult child, but not in the way of like the
weirdos where they.
Maybe that's what it looks like when you go all in on it.
Yeah, I'm not full in.
I'm not a, but here.
But here's a deal.
I might lark.

(01:34:27):
I want to go play.
I wanted to order what the fuck are those called laser tag fucking vests and guns from Costco.
Yeah, doesn't that sound fun?
I go play in our house.
I want to turn out all the lights and play laser tag in our house or I want to go to the
park and play it in the park.
I've asked our friends a million times that can we play night games?
I want to play kick the cans so hard.

(01:34:49):
I know.
No, we fucking understand how bad I want to do this.
I want to go in the summer into the park and I want to fucking play tag.
So bad.
But I feel like I will definitely injure something.
Everyone's gonna be exhausted.
One time we, when we first got just dance, we had all of our friends over and we just

(01:35:11):
danced until five in the morning in the middle of winter with the fucking door wide open.
While we all danced so hard from 10 o'clock at night until five in the fucking morning
and made ourselves sick the next day.
We all were sick.
We all had the rabdo.
We wrapped it ourselves with just dance.

(01:35:33):
It's seen.
Those are like the memories you remember.
I know my favorite memory.
And that's very nerdy.
The savior.
Yes, it is nerdy.
And then one time we stole the neighbors' trikes and we went to the biggest hill that
we could find and we rolled that we did races down the hills on the trikes.
See, those are all great memories.
The funnest times is when you're actually like a child.

(01:35:53):
Yes, they are my favorite.
So who are we to judge these theaters?
I know.
You know what, fuck it, man.
Maybe I want to do it.
I'm larping.
We go to Rocky Horror.
That's basically the rest of the theaters.
We scream.
That's true.
I know what you mean, though, because when I watch it, it's so cringey.
I'm like, when I'm not a part of it, I'm like, you stop it.

(01:36:14):
That's embarrassing.
You stop it right now.
Stop that right now.
I think that is weird.
Oh, shit.
But then I'm like, yeah, sure.
I'll dress up in my undies and go fucking dance on the stage in Rocky Horror and scream the
whole time.
What?
I don't know what the right way is.
I don't know what the right way is.

(01:36:37):
And I want to play Dungeons and Dragons, I think.
Speaking of Dungeons and Dragons, did you know Stranger Things Season 5 is coming out soon?
And I'm very excited.
Oh, it's like all of December.
It's yeah, the first tranche is, I think, Thanksgiving.
They're going to release.
Yeah, let me look it up.
Okay, so I feel like what should we do?

(01:36:59):
Are we going to do a, are we going to like binge it the whole December?
Oh, it's so much to watch, though, is the problem.
Season 4 alone is like 13 hours, man.
We.
I mean, I love it.
I'll gladly do it.
I'm done with secret lives of Mormon wives.
So we could start.
We could start it, huh?
Did you want to revisit all of the seasons to kind of get?

(01:37:22):
I don't know.
Maybe there's a YouTube summary that's only two hours that gets you completely caught up.
Yeah.
I'm fine either way, but they're releasing it in.
This is what I hate about seasons.
Like when you come into, when you're watching a show as they're releasing it, I don't have

(01:37:42):
a good enough fucking memory.
I know.
Well, in a memory that the interest is, I see a lot of people bitching about stranger things
like, it's been three years because it's been three years.
Oh, that's okay.
It's been three years.
The last two seasons, it was a three year gap.
Why?
Because of writer strike and a bunch of, and the pandemic and some other shit.
Bro, though, like they did the same shit with Game of Thrones and doing a two year high

(01:38:06):
years in between the seasons and the finale.
That final season goes, man.
It's fucking annoying.
But you're not going to not watch it.
I see people saying that they're like, oh, it's been so long.
I don't care anymore.
Bullshit.
No, we're all watching it.
We're all watching it.
We're all watching it.
Episode one through four drops November 26.

(01:38:27):
That's what is that Wednesday?
Thursday.
Oh, okay.
Oh, okay.
Then episodes five through seven drop on Christmas day.
And the finale on New Year's Eve, which is going to be in the theaters.
Oh, that's right.
Oh, nobody's doing all that.

(01:38:47):
That's crazy.
We're doing all that.
No, and we're going to a party.
Well, I, I don't know how long in the theater.
I don't know if it's going to be just one night or multiple nights.
I have no idea.
Okay.
I love stranger things so hard.
I love it.
It hits every fucking thing for me.
It's got a cult shit.
Oh, it's the fucking best.

(01:39:09):
It's scary.
It's got 80s nostalgia.
It's got it all.
I know.
Really, this is your fucking.
It's my favorite.
This is your favorite.
So yeah, I mean, that drops.
And then this year, Avatar three comes out.
Oh, I am excited about that, but I'm not going to the theater for a minute.
No.
No, because I don't want to be around a bunch of sick cunts who have no social awareness

(01:39:34):
that they are not supposed to go to a movie theater.
So I have to sit there and I'm eating your coughing and all of those coughing germs are
landing where my hands are.
And I'm eating with my fucking hands.
And then I'm drinking and I'm breathing in your sick ass.
Yeah, you're all in it together.
Yeah.
And it's like people cannot handle being in social situations anymore.

(01:39:54):
And so everybody's nerds, nobody's bathing.
I can't deal.
Yeah.
Because it's that time frame of Christmas break where people really let it all go.
Yes.
And they've all been around each other getting ill viruses.
Yeah.
I'm with you on that.
I'm waiting.
I think about the people that I see this bullshit where people want to pretend that Avatar,

(01:40:20):
no one likes Avatar and that this is all propaganda to make us believe that people don't, that
people like Avatar and in reality, nobody likes it.
I fucking love Avatar so hard.
It hits every, like the way that Stranger Things hits all of your little buttons.
Avatar hits it for me.

(01:40:40):
It's this idea of falling in love and caring about the environment and seeing how all of us
are a system and how it all works together.
And then you have the fucking capitalist that don't care about any of that and see it as
like just something to take more advantage of and how do I make money out of it?

(01:41:04):
It literally hits all of my fucking little buttons.
It's a great movie.
I love it.
And I won't stand for the Avatar hate.
I mean, oh, really?
Because I remember going to see both of those fucking movies impact fucking theaters.
Yes.
So don't tell me no one's watching.
It's like bullshit conspiracy.
That's not real.
Unlike the, what was that guys?

(01:41:28):
The underground railroad for the child trafficking.
They had some fucking movie out.
Oh, you're right.
Fuck.
What was that called?
Shit.
Sounds a freedom or something.
Sounds a freedom.
Which the LDS church was over there buying out fucking theaters.
So they were pumping up the numbers and they would go in there and show an empty fucking

(01:41:50):
theater.
That guy got real quiet.
The underground row, the underground row or is that what it was called?
No, it was called Operation Underground Road.
Wasn't it?
Yeah, I think that was it.
That guy got real quiet, didn't he?
Well, I was doing some shady, weird ass shit.
What a fuck.
Making women have sex with them.

(01:42:10):
Oh, terrible guy.
Was it a married?
Yeah.
So he's like, we have people have to believe that we're together.
So you got to fuck me.
You got to sell it.
You better really sell it.
You know what, if you're doing that kind of weird shit, you better be a good lay.
Maybe he was.
Oh, no, he wasn't.

(01:42:31):
He was a nerd.
He was very Mormon.
There was a lot of conspiracy tied into Mormon financing with that whole movement.
Yeah.
I had no idea when we were donating tons of money to him.
He's got a bunch of people that have demonized sex is good at sex.
Absolutely not.
They're too weird about it.
They're way weird about it.

(01:42:51):
And that's it.
That's awkward.
Oh, good.
Just awkward sex.
Like, we have to sell this.
Look into my eyes while I lay on top of you and thrust through your garments.
Missionary style only.
Is that true?
I heard that Mormons are supposed to have sex through the garments.
I don't know if that's true or not.

(01:43:14):
I don't know.
Anybody who listens out there, any Mormons out there that are listening?
Yeah, that's her.
Let me know if you guys are supposed to not that you do it.
Because I know what they're going to say.
Nobody does that.
Y'know shit.
But what are you supposed to do?
What's your word of wisdom supposed to do?
What's your culture supposed to do?

(01:43:35):
Because my understanding is you're supposed to do everything in your garments.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, back in the day, they would have to take baths in their garments.
They would have to roll up one sleeve, wash it, unroll it, then roll up the other sleeve,
wash it, unroll it.
Oh, I didn't know that.
I thought the only time they did it, they never took the garments off ever.
I thought they never, I thought the only time they could take off their garments was for bathing.

(01:43:58):
Maybe the roll change, but back in the day, that was the deal, as you never took them off
for no reason at all.
Which is crazy.
You know, like, don't you got to wash them fucking things every once in a while?
Just change them.
But back in the day, people probably stink like terribly.
I couldn't imagine oral sex in the 1800s.
So I bet it would be horrendous.

(01:44:20):
All those old timey movies that are so horny.
Hrendous.
Pop on that smell of vision.
It won't be so horny anymore.
Okay.
That's all I got for movie.
Then the Bruce Spring scene movie is going to come out soon.
I can't fucking wait.
That has one of my top tier horny guys.
I love so hard.
What's his name?
Lip.

(01:44:41):
From.
He will always be lip.
I don't know his name.
I don't know what that guy, wait.
I do know his name.
I'll know what if I hear it.
I just don't know his name.
Look him up.
But he looks like, you know what?
Somebody said to me, some close friend said that you give off his, that's you and him have
the same energy.
I like that.
And I think you do.
I agree with her.

(01:45:02):
I appreciate that.
I know.
I tell your friend they're great.
It's a girl I work with.
He was the bearer.
Yeah.
What's it?
Let's see.
The bearer.
Let me look him up.
Yeah.
The Bruce Spring scene.
Jeremy Allen White.
I couldn't van much like I'm running out of shit to talk about.
I'm sorry.
Jeremy, you do have that kind of, you do look like him.
You give that.
That look.

(01:45:23):
I'll take it.
That's not bad.
It's the rat look.
Yeah, you do.
You're a little.
That rat look everyone likes now or did like for a year.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can't wait to see that because I love the boss.
And you love Jeremy Allen White.
So what's the other boss?
And I love the boss.
You do love the boss.
He's a great singer.
He's a real American hero.
A great.

(01:45:43):
I can't wait.
And that's, oh, and then Hamnet.
We saw a trailer for a movie called Hamnet.
You said it was Hamnet.
No, it was Hamnet.
What?
I thought it was Hamnet.
Oh.
It's, I think it's a Shakespeare something.
I don't like it.
It looks very romantic.
So we're going to look out for that.
Yes.

(01:46:03):
I like that idea.
But the one that I'm really excited about is one that is actually kind of a sad story.
And I'm a little bit, I didn't know it was sad.
It's the one with Margot Robbie.
Oh, yes.
That was good.
That was cool.
Valentine's Day.
Yes.
What is that one called?
I don't know.
It comes out for Valentine's Day.
It's got Margot Robbie, who's really great to watch.
She's beautiful.

(01:46:25):
And who else is in it?
I'm looking.
But it comes out next year around Valentine's Day and it's supposed, it's the trailer made
it look like a hot and heavy romance.
Weathering Heights.
Weathering Heights.
Weathering Heights.
Old-timey horny setting, right?
Yes.
But I heard, I was talking to my sister about it and I was like, oh, did you see the trailer
for Weathering Heights?

(01:46:46):
And she said, yeah, but that movie's sad as fuck.
And I was like, no.
Oh, she's, she's, she's got the old timey horny on lock.
Yeah, she, she's the subject matter expert on old timey.
That's the truth.
What's that shit she would always watch?
She would.
Yeah, and a green gable.
Dude, she's love fucking Anna Green gables.
And then she would always re, she read, I mean, she literally read, um,

(01:47:10):
not Ann Rice.
What's the, what's the old timey books, the woman that writer?
Oh my god.
Did she write Anna Green gables?
No.
No, she wrote, she wrote, what's that movie with?
Oh, Jesus, I hate my brain.
We've been talking too long.
I can't think it.
Yeah, I got to wrap it up.
I got to go catch the Raiders game.

(01:47:31):
They're surely losing right now.
What's the, um, I can't miss a one Raiders loss.
Is that English lady that's always in movies?
Oh, uh, here and I leave.
Yeah, I care.
I know.
That she'll meet.
That she's always down for some porn.
For me.
Oh, she would put a little bit of weight on like she looks, she's like, it's just a little

(01:47:52):
too skinny.
She's very pretty.
Yeah, she is.
She's a little too skinny.
She looks like a little, I don't know, anorexic.
She does.
I wish she would.
She would shame a now.
I'm just saying she was great in Pirates of the Caribbean.
Remember when we were having that talk when I was like, what's more unattractive of a very,

(01:48:16):
very skinny man tall skinny man or a heavy set woman.
Got to be the skinny man.
I think skinny man too.
Okay, let's see here.
Um, oh my God.
She has so many fucking movies.
Well, while while we're looking at go to patreon.com/breakingsocialnorms, you'll get the

(01:48:41):
ad free experience early access and the bonus content we do sometimes, which we're going
to commit next year.
We're going to try like hell next year.
We're going to be doing, we're going to try to hit one bonus episode a month.
So it's going to be a great time to sign up for that patreon right now.
You know, and you'll also access surveys.
I'm going to start doing some certain.

(01:49:01):
I'm going to log into josey's little patreon and do some surveys.
Like the ones we talked about earlier, we're going to talk about let you shape the show, what
you want to talk about.
You want to talk us?
Let's start about horny stuff, relationships up, or just stick to conspiracies.
Then, uh, let's see other poll.
Oh yeah, do you care people that are sick hang out with you?

(01:49:22):
Because I'm guessing that most people actually don't care.
Okay, pride and prejudice.
Who wrote pride and prejudice?
Fuck it, fine, oh.
Oh my, that's completely not anything I would know.
Well, you guys know what we're talking about pride and prejudice.
The lady who wrote that.
That's who sh- I mean she read those books.

(01:49:45):
Hardcore man.
It's hard fucking core.
Okay, go ahead.
Alright, so that's all I got.
Okay, anything else?
No.
Alright, you know where to go.
You know what to do.
Till next time.
We love you.
Bye.

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