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We got a request to watch a three hour video on YouTube and today we're gonna unpack it here on breaking social norms after dark
(00:08):
Only for the supporters is another bonus episode. We're gonna unpack
Aubrey Marcus and his
Sacred relationship with two women here on breaking social norms
So we watch this video on YouTube and if you want to watch it before you listen
(00:28):
It is called a new pattern of sacred relationship emerges
with
It's on Aubrey Marcus's YouTube channel with Vilaana
Alana Biel and Dr. Mark Gaffney
You know who Dr. Mark Gaffney is have you heard of him before?
I mean, I looked him up why oh no, I don't know who I don't know any of these people are I mean
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I've heard the names Aubrey Marcus and I googled who Mark Gaffney was okay. That's the extent
Okay, you think I would know who Aubrey Marcus is kind of in your sphere. He's in my bro sphere. I'm sure he's been on Joe Rogan
I know him I'm surprised that you don't know him. I used to follow him on
Instagram and I followed his first girlfriend Whitney
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I don't remember what her last name was. She's a beautiful blonde girl. Mm-hmm. And then
And now I
Don't any longer and there's a reason I don't follow them. Okay
So
Well, how should we start this here? I don't know. Uh, well
So this is a bonus show we do a bonus show for our supporters every now and then this is the after dark series
(01:39):
Which is where we talk about I don't know sex and relationships, I guess something like that. Yeah
So this fits into that little wheelhouse, so
I mean, I've got a bunch of notes from this thing
I don't want to and it's weird because my two
my my
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Black wolf and white wolf internally come together and part of me wants to
Hate these people really hard and then the other part of me
wants to be like hey, this is actually kind of interesting. I I like that they're
Looking outside the box for new ways of living. I know
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But my my bullshit radar is just dinging off the charts that I don't believe a word of any of these assholes
I have to say and they're completely inseparable and it's it was the worst three hours of my whole life watching these fucking assholes
So I don't know what to do. Listen my fear in life is that that's what I sound like
Because I like what they say. I really do like what they say and I like the idea of
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Everything we've been told is it is
It's bullshit like I don't know if I believe everything that we've been told in our lives
That we have to live our lives a certain way right
It just doesn't feel right and I feel like the
The breakdowns of relationship and and
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um
And the truth like when you really like talk about the truth of how relationships look
It doesn't seem like it's working all that great
You know what I mean like that other if it was if if this idea of monogamy the way that
cultures told us
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About in the most romantic sense of it
If it worked we wouldn't have the fucking problems that we have if there wouldn't be the divorces that we see
And so on some level I listen to this stuff and I'm like
Okay
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This is true
There's something about the way that we have decided to go about
Having relationship that doesn't fit within the truth of being a human being
But these people are the most country human beings I've ever
It almost took me 30 fucking minutes to understand what they were saying. It's like they were talking in an accent so thick
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That I and they don't have access these are Americans
Uh, but they're the language that they chose to use was so veiled
To discuss this
It made it almost fucking impossible like I had to get into their rhythm of speech
To be able to understand what the fuck they were even talking about yeah, I don't recommend and I mean obviously
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People can watch it if they're interested. I know you gotta watch it. You have to watch it. Oh you don't
It's terrible. Oh my god. You don't have to watch the whole thing, but you have to watch five minutes of it
I mean, I've never seen people they're worse than politicians talking for three hours saying not one fucking thing
I mean, it's so and what we're talking about let me let me zoom all the way out. Let's go. What's happening here is a guy named Aubrey Marcus
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Who is a I don't know he's a fighter. He's a
He used to be a MMA fighter right says he was the CEO of on it, which is like a supplement company
I know Joe Rogan had a deal with on it. Okay for a long time, but wasn't he a fighter? I have no idea and the beginning of his life
I think he was a MMA guy. Okay. I think that's where his his path started
Okay, I have no I don't know. I know his name. I've heard it a million times
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I've never watched or consumed one bit of his information, but I did look
he
Started a company called on it, which is I don't know health stuff supplements and
which
When you talk about these granola type folks
Yes, AI says yes, Aubrey Marcus was indeed a former MMA fighter
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So that's where he started his
Thing
Right and then he started the supplement company and and I have
Bolts of supplements. I take I mean, I was talking to you about this the other day. I said
How much money do you think I'm spending on supplements a month? It's got to be a hundred bucks plus maybe two hundred even
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And it's nothing crazy. It's just normal stuff. What's your normal still is to talk about it. What is it?
I mean, I got red yeast rice to get my LDL's down. I've got vitamin D3
magnesium
vitamin C
D H E A
Goukos
Zertec which is probably giving me fucking dementia
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Cook mushroom two different mushroom supplements
Fish oil
I was a few more I can't remember all right, but
But anyway, did you know for as much shit as we in the conspiracy community talk about big pharma?
I saw a video and I didn't believe the lady it was some lady who was like a doctor or nurse or some shit and she tried to tell me
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She was defending big pharma and she says
Everyone wants to shit on big pharma, but look at where the money's at and she said that big pharma is a 1.5 trillion dollar industry
and the health wellness supplementation
fucking granola
Territory is like a six and a half trillion dollar
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And I looked it up she's a hundred percent right? Yes, I said you've got to be shitting me. Yeah
So you got people like Aubrey Marcus. I assume
Who's peddling you know and now it's Jones peddling boner pills and all these supplements because all you got to do is put the little closet
Like hey, this isn't this isn't FDA approved or whatever you I don't know the legal loophole there
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Think you put whatever they wanted it and you can tell people like hey
And we fell for this with Dr. Oz for years he was grifting every day and every day we'd we'd watch his episode and then he'd be like
You got to take the buckthorne cherry oil. Yeah, you're gonna lose weight and I'm oh shit. It's kind of you know
Sold out everywhere like yeah, everyone beat us to it and every day with some new bullshit
What was that berry ketones? Yeah, that has very key toes. I mean it just goes on and on. It's the grip of all grips
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Yes
And I'm not anti because I think that there's some truth in
You know when you look at the history of medicine and big pharma they
You know they big a lot of the medicines the big pharma makes are derived from plant-based medicine and Eastern medicine
so I mean there's not
It's not all a lie, but there's a lot of lies in there
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And I assume that's what maybe on it was doing. I don't know. I don't know what on it does or did
but um
So he's kind of
He's kind of in that territory space if on it was like that
Which I saw he sold it to Unilever in 2021
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No one knows exactly how much some people say it was a billion dollars. Oh, so another aspect of this is these
assholes
Have got their needs fulfilled right like to live the mazlo's hierarchy of needs and they're
higher up on
The pyramid to the point where they're trying to become enlightened now
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And these are things that most of us peasants
Will not understand because we'll never be
billionaires or whatever he is hundreds of millionaires whatever he is
So
There's that asked so I'm trying to I'm trying to unpack like why I feel this way because there's a there's a fucking hater in me
I'm a division level one hater I be hating hating so part of me hates this guy because I'm like
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Success when he's a dickhead and I hate him for a whole other reason. Oh, okay. Well, okay. Let's hear what's here your history with him
I followed him because I kind of love the woo shit to be honest like yeah, I noticed a YouTube has a lot of great guest
And I was like god really good interesting guess. I like that. He's like on a path of like
I like the idea of questioning what reality is I like the idea of
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um
Being connected to human beings. I love the idea of
Feeling love and spreading love like all of that really
It really sets in my soul. Mm-hmm. He doesn't in the way that I don't prefer it which is like
that I
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Don't like people that don't feel authentic and I sometimes feel like when you use language like the way that he uses language
Like when you talk about the people that you're in love with and you're and you call them goddesses and
and
Talk about how you're on this enlightened path and and that you're your
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Eros and you're your
Flow of energy and like all of that language to me is like I
Get it. I under I like it because it's a heart. It's hard to talk about these things without using that language
But when you soften your voice and you take and you are like
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too mystic key
It feels like a
Like you're trying to sell me on something that you are
Mm-hmm. It feels bizarre to me
and so I
Get off put by that but what what sealed the deal for me and like it or don't fucking like it
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He's a Trump supporter and I don't see how you can
Live in this field of love and you can be above all of this bullshit and then sit there and listen to a group of people
talk about the poorest among us
Of being migrant workers and say that's the problem in America right there
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We have to get these poor migrant workers out of our country now. I'm gonna. I'm gonna play devil's advocate
I don't need I don't even want to fucking here like that shit fucking makes me in
Like in furious like I cannot fucking take it when you sit there and you tell me that you are love you are connection and you are this thing
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And then you say in the same fucking breath. I'm going to I think we should put barbed wire in the fucking rivers so that
Children and people get stuck in the barbed wire and fucking die. Mm-hmm. I can I everything that I hear past that is like you're insane
Yeah, and and Trump is the you know
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everyone said
So he's known as the mean tweet guy and there was all this commentary about
About how we mean tweens are so bad when the economy is crashing or whatever like people were defending it
And so even people who are Trump supporters and anti we both all agree that he is a mean spirited person
We agree with that everyone yeah, and that's where I also agree with you that
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I don't know how you can
Talk about being in this higher level of because
In the line with that dr. Mark Gaffney
I was looking into his stuff because he has a book called radical kabbalah and he talks about
non-dual humanism and the idea of humanism
The idea of non-duality is that
We are all connected as one
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The idea of humanism is that the highest purpose for all of us is to is humanity and being
Treating each other well because we are all
Eminations of God and we are all each other and we are all the same and we agree with all of that
My agreeance is in that right, but but it ends when you sit there and you send people to prisons
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Without due process it ends when you sit there and call other human beings
Shitty names and then don't laugh up, you know like I don't you can call me some something terrible
And if we're both laughing, I don't give a fuck
Nothing in me has a problem with that
We can even joke about
Terrible things
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That aren't actually funny, but I can actually see the but I can sit in it with you and be like that's alright whatever it's fucking
Uh
It's uh what's that word
It's it's crazy because it's so crazy we can laugh like Anthony Jessel next stand up. Yes. I can laugh about rape jokes. I can laugh about
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Stuff that is like
Pearl clutchy. Yeah, because it's in the right context which Anthony Jessel next with his stand up
He says all those kind of awful jokes, but his whole thing is he's like
I'm paraphrasing. He's like this is a character and that's the joke is that this
Very nice so awful and terrible right knowing what actually ever be this gross
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Except for there are people that gross and fortunately and trump is you know when he first time he ran he was he was
Talking trash about John McCain, which I find highly offensive. He was making fun of mentally handicapped people and these are all
Striking down jokes, right? Yeah, like punching down, which is gross. It's like this guy's a billionaire or whatever he is and
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Um, he's got all the power in the world. Oh, fucking did he he hangs out with Epstein
Fuck off you cannot fucking tell me that this guy's not a piece of shit. I'm sorry. I know people love him
but
You do not get to talk to me about the oneness of love and then tell me how great fucking trump is you can kick fucking rocks
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I don't understand it and to support your opinion more it's
Like he wants to cut food stamps and feed kids and children head start programs and
Medicaid for poor people and handicapped people that can't have no other ways of living he wants to take all of the tax money and give it to billionaires
Who already have everything right? This isn't treating everyone this this isn't treating everyone in that non-dual humanism that no he is advocating for no
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So he's a hypocrite the minute that you sit there and tell me that shit
And this guy's a billionaire right so Aubrey's a billionaire mm-hmm or a millionaire multi-millionaire. Yeah
And you're gonna sit here and talk to me about how important it is like the spiritual journey
But then your number one concern is going to be your taxes
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Fuck off
And then even in the whole thing he was talking about how we would be sitting here even if we were poor
Like he said
I heard him say that
Yeah, that's and that's where I
Like people can when we talk about politics and stuff
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You can get me on you can get me to understand your point of view and say like
Yeah, there's a libertarian angles and some of them make sense and stuff but
ultimately I think
Pay more in taxes to make sure kids are getting fed at school so they can do well in school and be educated properly and be intelligent
But my need to our school is more valuable to me because we are a system that is that humanism idea is like this is a system
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Every you need a safety net and you need everyone in the country to have a certain level of living
And if that means that some people are cheating the system and being assholes then that sucks
But I don't know what to tell you. I don't want the other option, which is okay cut all
Methods and all safety nets. Yeah, just to make sure that no one gets ahead of you exactly
Because I don't know you know and anyway
Um, so that's where my hate so that's where you're
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So you're listening to him his podcast before yeah, I followed him years ago really
And you followed him through his journey because he was married or no he was fiance with the with the blonde girl the model
Yeah, okay, and what what was his relationship because now he's with these two other women
Well, I know that they I followed them because I find people that like try to have
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relationship in a in a unique way fascinating. I don't think it's wrong
I honestly don't think it's wrong for people to say I think I love
In a unique way that can be
For that fills the most fulfilling with multiple partners. I think
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Tell me like I lean into that shit and I'm like tell me more how do you do this tell me what the fucking struggles are for you
And it's I'm so curious. I am so curious as to how you navigate this within your relationship because you even in this podcast even in this uh show
They talk about the struggles of that they have um
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Alana is like
I'm trying to
She wants to fill number one in her relationship with Aubrey in a in a in a in a thrupal
Yeah, they're basically you know
And that's what I wanted to describe for the people who were like well, what are they talking about they're basically a thrupal right?
Well, I don't know sit down there for fucking 40 minutes and then maybe you'll understand what they're talking about because my god
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They're the most long-winded fucking households. I've ever heard in my life
And I'm sitting there listening. I'm like, what are we talking about here?
They're a thrupal, but they're trying to package it as radical monogamy some new radical monogamy
They use the term 100 times and don't really ever define it
Yeah, and we're looking at you like wasn't this just a thrupal? It's Aubrey and two chicks
Yeah, he thinks that he's reinventing the goddamn wheel out here and I'm like dude you're just in a thrupal calm yourself
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But my favorite thing is
About Aubrey is that they're in this he has to convince
Okay, this is what happened. This is how this is my understanding. I'm not in their relationship
I I unfollowed him because I was like you're fucking gross
and I
I'm gonna give you my version of what happened take it with a giant grain of fucking salt because this is
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not
fully based in truth, okay, it's my perception
Aubrey was with Whitney
Aubrey and Whitney were he had to convince Whitney to join to be open to be poly
um
It didn't she didn't love it. She ended up they split or whatever and
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then she came to terms with that
She wanted to be in a thrupal that she like from my understanding for my recollection of what she had said in the past was
She realized that she did struggle with monogamy that she always did it
But she never had real monogamy because she would cheat on people. Oh she would she would too. Yes. Oh
So she her in her own words from my recollection was
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I've decided I've never been
monogamous we always did it in this like shitty way right
Where I would cheat or they would cheat or whatever which is true. That's not monogamy. So
Then she went back to him is like all right, let's try this. Let's try this open shit or whatever
They would go to like fucking burning man and like where the cool outfits and show off their six pack
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You know like country people do and do drugs and fucking party and act like they're enlightened
I still love all that shit whatever I think it's great um
Then as some place in all of this mix he hooks up with Alana and
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They do like ayahuasca they do some kind of hallucinogen together within that who with him
But Vailana or Alana Alana is the new guy. No, no, no, no, no, Vailana. Vailana. She
in their
psychedelic trip
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They both decided I'm gonna say both in quotes
They both decided that they are going to be monogamous with each other and that their love is too strong and they have to
really like
Not be open with other people we got to be monogamous or whatever
so they close and
Bad news for fucking Whitney
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This bitch is still thinking she's poly with Aubrey. Okay
So then that relationship gets destroyed because now he's in this thing with
Volana okay, and they break up
Now Whitney's gone okay, and they're doing their thing whatever they're sacred and I was like oh that's super interesting
So whichever way the wind fucking blows for Aubrey is what happens with him his fear which I
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undersed like to a certain degree it's his money. It's his fucking relationships. I get that but like
That's also not really holding space for the things that your your
Truth is I'm gonna put that in air quotes. You're not really
being truthful to yourself are you now because it's like
You take these women on this ride and then when you decide because you do a psychedelic trip that it's closed
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And now you're closing it with somebody else
Everybody just has to be okay with that
Right yeah, and he's in the problem and that's why I notice is
It's the same pattern that he's he was monogamous with Volana and then he says
in the show that
Um
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Why haven't my notes that he said maybe this is during the trip that you were talking about that god
God put a white star into his third eye
Which told him to get with the Vittlana Volana uh-huh, and that's like
The voice that guided him he does a lot of the the whole thing was he's constantly doing psychedelics and he's constantly having god or the divine or the goddess for the black
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Telling him which way to go and now
Goddess or divine is spirit he calls it spirit
Um
Could try to tell a story of how he hooked up with a new young
2.0 here. Yeah
Well, so they so they're monogamous now and now at some point
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Aubrey decides that he doesn't want to be he doesn't like this
He didn't like this before he doesn't like it now he wants to be open
So now he's trying to convince Volana that he that um and they don't use this language by the way they use very
Flowered long-winded asotaric language. Yeah, so but but from what I got from it was the gist that I got was
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He convinced
Volana that he wants to be a poly he wants to be open so then they go to like
And I guess that was a hard fight for her for a while or whatever and then she leans into it like that's the same thing that Whitney did right
And then they go to Miami and in Miami they decide that this is where they're gonna start like looking for a third
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We go deep into this topic of radical monogamy and Aubrey Marcus and
I mean the whole story is crazy
We talk about this kabala talk to mark mark gaffney and it gets really crazy when they start talking about going into this temple of ISIS to do this ritual and then these
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These entities start talking to them. I mean it's wild
It's our about god bomb ceremonies, which I compared to Charles Manson because it is kind of the same thing
And you know it just goes on and on and on it's it's it's a now and a half for the full show and it's uh
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We got a request to watch a three hour video on YouTube and today we're gonna unpack it here on breaking social norms after dark
(00:08):
Only for the supporters is another bonus episode. We're gonna unpack
Aubrey Marcus and his
Sacred relationship with two women here on breaking social norms
So we watch this video on YouTube and if you want to watch it before you listen
(00:28):
It is called a new pattern of sacred relationship emerges
with
It's on Aubrey Marcus's YouTube channel with Vilaana
Alana Biel and Dr. Mark Gaffney
You know who Dr. Mark Gaffney is have you heard of him before?
I mean, I looked him up why oh no, I don't know who I don't know any of these people are I mean
(00:51):
I've heard the names Aubrey Marcus and I googled who Mark Gaffney was okay. That's the extent
Okay, you think I would know who Aubrey Marcus is kind of in your sphere. He's in my bro sphere. I'm sure he's been on Joe Rogan
I know him I'm surprised that you don't know him. I used to follow him on
Instagram and I followed his first girlfriend Whitney
(01:14):
I don't remember what her last name was. She's a beautiful blonde girl. Mm-hmm. And then
And now I
Don't any longer and there's a reason I don't follow them. Okay
So
Well, how should we start this here? I don't know. Uh, well
So this is a bonus show we do a bonus show for our supporters every now and then this is the after dark series
(01:39):
Which is where we talk about I don't know sex and relationships, I guess something like that. Yeah
So this fits into that little wheelhouse, so
I mean, I've got a bunch of notes from this thing
I don't want to and it's weird because my two
my my
(02:00):
Black wolf and white wolf internally come together and part of me wants to
Hate these people really hard and then the other part of me
wants to be like hey, this is actually kind of interesting. I I like that they're
Looking outside the box for new ways of living. I know
(02:21):
But my my bullshit radar is just dinging off the charts that I don't believe a word of any of these assholes
I have to say and they're completely inseparable and it's it was the worst three hours of my whole life watching these fucking assholes
So I don't know what to do. Listen my fear in life is that that's what I sound like
Because I like what they say. I really do like what they say and I like the idea of
(02:46):
Everything we've been told is it is
It's bullshit like I don't know if I believe everything that we've been told in our lives
That we have to live our lives a certain way right
It just doesn't feel right and I feel like the
The breakdowns of relationship and and
(03:07):
um
And the truth like when you really like talk about the truth of how relationships look
It doesn't seem like it's working all that great
You know what I mean like that other if it was if if this idea of monogamy the way that
cultures told us
(03:28):
About in the most romantic sense of it
If it worked we wouldn't have the fucking problems that we have if there wouldn't be the divorces that we see
And so on some level I listen to this stuff and I'm like
Okay
(03:49):
This is true
There's something about the way that we have decided to go about
Having relationship that doesn't fit within the truth of being a human being
But these people are the most country human beings I've ever
It almost took me 30 fucking minutes to understand what they were saying. It's like they were talking in an accent so thick
(04:17):
That I and they don't have access these are Americans
Uh, but they're the language that they chose to use was so veiled
To discuss this
It made it almost fucking impossible like I had to get into their rhythm of speech
To be able to understand what the fuck they were even talking about yeah, I don't recommend and I mean obviously
(04:42):
People can watch it if they're interested. I know you gotta watch it. You have to watch it. Oh you don't
It's terrible. Oh my god. You don't have to watch the whole thing, but you have to watch five minutes of it
I mean, I've never seen people they're worse than politicians talking for three hours saying not one fucking thing
I mean, it's so and what we're talking about let me let me zoom all the way out. Let's go. What's happening here is a guy named Aubrey Marcus
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Who is a I don't know he's a fighter. He's a
He used to be a MMA fighter right says he was the CEO of on it, which is like a supplement company
I know Joe Rogan had a deal with on it. Okay for a long time, but wasn't he a fighter? I have no idea and the beginning of his life
I think he was a MMA guy. Okay. I think that's where his his path started
Okay, I have no I don't know. I know his name. I've heard it a million times
(05:30):
I've never watched or consumed one bit of his information, but I did look
he
Started a company called on it, which is I don't know health stuff supplements and
which
When you talk about these granola type folks
Yes, AI says yes, Aubrey Marcus was indeed a former MMA fighter
(05:52):
So that's where he started his
Thing
Right and then he started the supplement company and and I have
Bolts of supplements. I take I mean, I was talking to you about this the other day. I said
How much money do you think I'm spending on supplements a month? It's got to be a hundred bucks plus maybe two hundred even
(06:12):
And it's nothing crazy. It's just normal stuff. What's your normal still is to talk about it. What is it?
I mean, I got red yeast rice to get my LDL's down. I've got vitamin D3
magnesium
vitamin C
D H E A
Goukos
Zertec which is probably giving me fucking dementia
(06:37):
Cook mushroom two different mushroom supplements
Fish oil
I was a few more I can't remember all right, but
But anyway, did you know for as much shit as we in the conspiracy community talk about big pharma?
I saw a video and I didn't believe the lady it was some lady who was like a doctor or nurse or some shit and she tried to tell me
(07:01):
She was defending big pharma and she says
Everyone wants to shit on big pharma, but look at where the money's at and she said that big pharma is a 1.5 trillion dollar industry
and the health wellness supplementation
fucking granola
Territory is like a six and a half trillion dollar
(07:22):
And I looked it up she's a hundred percent right? Yes, I said you've got to be shitting me. Yeah
So you got people like Aubrey Marcus. I assume
Who's peddling you know and now it's Jones peddling boner pills and all these supplements because all you got to do is put the little closet
Like hey, this isn't this isn't FDA approved or whatever you I don't know the legal loophole there
(07:43):
Think you put whatever they wanted it and you can tell people like hey
And we fell for this with Dr. Oz for years he was grifting every day and every day we'd we'd watch his episode and then he'd be like
You got to take the buckthorne cherry oil. Yeah, you're gonna lose weight and I'm oh shit. It's kind of you know
Sold out everywhere like yeah, everyone beat us to it and every day with some new bullshit
What was that berry ketones? Yeah, that has very key toes. I mean it just goes on and on. It's the grip of all grips
(08:09):
Yes
And I'm not anti because I think that there's some truth in
You know when you look at the history of medicine and big pharma they
You know they big a lot of the medicines the big pharma makes are derived from plant-based medicine and Eastern medicine
so I mean there's not
It's not all a lie, but there's a lot of lies in there
(08:30):
And I assume that's what maybe on it was doing. I don't know. I don't know what on it does or did
but um
So he's kind of
He's kind of in that territory space if on it was like that
Which I saw he sold it to Unilever in 2021
(08:50):
No one knows exactly how much some people say it was a billion dollars. Oh, so another aspect of this is these
assholes
Have got their needs fulfilled right like to live the mazlo's hierarchy of needs and they're
higher up on
The pyramid to the point where they're trying to become enlightened now
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And these are things that most of us peasants
Will not understand because we'll never be
billionaires or whatever he is hundreds of millionaires whatever he is
So
There's that asked so I'm trying to I'm trying to unpack like why I feel this way because there's a there's a fucking hater in me
I'm a division level one hater I be hating hating so part of me hates this guy because I'm like
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Success when he's a dickhead and I hate him for a whole other reason. Oh, okay. Well, okay. Let's hear what's here your history with him
I followed him because I kind of love the woo shit to be honest like yeah, I noticed a YouTube has a lot of great guest
And I was like god really good interesting guess. I like that. He's like on a path of like
I like the idea of questioning what reality is I like the idea of
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um
Being connected to human beings. I love the idea of
Feeling love and spreading love like all of that really
It really sets in my soul. Mm-hmm. He doesn't in the way that I don't prefer it which is like
that I
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Don't like people that don't feel authentic and I sometimes feel like when you use language like the way that he uses language
Like when you talk about the people that you're in love with and you're and you call them goddesses and
and
Talk about how you're on this enlightened path and and that you're your
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Eros and you're your
Flow of energy and like all of that language to me is like I
Get it. I under I like it because it's a heart. It's hard to talk about these things without using that language
But when you soften your voice and you take and you are like
(11:06):
too mystic key
It feels like a
Like you're trying to sell me on something that you are
Mm-hmm. It feels bizarre to me
and so I
Get off put by that but what what sealed the deal for me and like it or don't fucking like it
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He's a Trump supporter and I don't see how you can
Live in this field of love and you can be above all of this bullshit and then sit there and listen to a group of people
talk about the poorest among us
Of being migrant workers and say that's the problem in America right there
(11:52):
We have to get these poor migrant workers out of our country now. I'm gonna. I'm gonna play devil's advocate
I don't need I don't even want to fucking here like that shit fucking makes me in
Like in furious like I cannot fucking take it when you sit there and you tell me that you are love you are connection and you are this thing
(12:14):
And then you say in the same fucking breath. I'm going to I think we should put barbed wire in the fucking rivers so that
Children and people get stuck in the barbed wire and fucking die. Mm-hmm. I can I everything that I hear past that is like you're insane
Yeah, and and Trump is the you know
(12:35):
everyone said
So he's known as the mean tweet guy and there was all this commentary about
About how we mean tweens are so bad when the economy is crashing or whatever like people were defending it
And so even people who are Trump supporters and anti we both all agree that he is a mean spirited person
We agree with that everyone yeah, and that's where I also agree with you that
(12:58):
I don't know how you can
Talk about being in this higher level of because
In the line with that dr. Mark Gaffney
I was looking into his stuff because he has a book called radical kabbalah and he talks about
non-dual humanism and the idea of humanism
The idea of non-duality is that
We are all connected as one
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The idea of humanism is that the highest purpose for all of us is to is humanity and being
Treating each other well because we are all
Eminations of God and we are all each other and we are all the same and we agree with all of that
My agreeance is in that right, but but it ends when you sit there and you send people to prisons
(13:42):
Without due process it ends when you sit there and call other human beings
Shitty names and then don't laugh up, you know like I don't you can call me some something terrible
And if we're both laughing, I don't give a fuck
Nothing in me has a problem with that
We can even joke about
Terrible things
(14:03):
That aren't actually funny, but I can actually see the but I can sit in it with you and be like that's alright whatever it's fucking
Uh
It's uh what's that word
It's it's crazy because it's so crazy we can laugh like Anthony Jessel next stand up. Yes. I can laugh about rape jokes. I can laugh about
(14:26):
Stuff that is like
Pearl clutchy. Yeah, because it's in the right context which Anthony Jessel next with his stand up
He says all those kind of awful jokes, but his whole thing is he's like
I'm paraphrasing. He's like this is a character and that's the joke is that this
Very nice so awful and terrible right knowing what actually ever be this gross
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Except for there are people that gross and fortunately and trump is you know when he first time he ran he was he was
Talking trash about John McCain, which I find highly offensive. He was making fun of mentally handicapped people and these are all
Striking down jokes, right? Yeah, like punching down, which is gross. It's like this guy's a billionaire or whatever he is and
(15:09):
Um, he's got all the power in the world. Oh, fucking did he he hangs out with Epstein
Fuck off you cannot fucking tell me that this guy's not a piece of shit. I'm sorry. I know people love him
but
You do not get to talk to me about the oneness of love and then tell me how great fucking trump is you can kick fucking rocks
(15:30):
I don't understand it and to support your opinion more it's
Like he wants to cut food stamps and feed kids and children head start programs and
Medicaid for poor people and handicapped people that can't have no other ways of living he wants to take all of the tax money and give it to billionaires
Who already have everything right? This isn't treating everyone this this isn't treating everyone in that non-dual humanism that no he is advocating for no
(15:59):
So he's a hypocrite the minute that you sit there and tell me that shit
And this guy's a billionaire right so Aubrey's a billionaire mm-hmm or a millionaire multi-millionaire. Yeah
And you're gonna sit here and talk to me about how important it is like the spiritual journey
But then your number one concern is going to be your taxes
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Fuck off
And then even in the whole thing he was talking about how we would be sitting here even if we were poor
Like he said
I heard him say that
Yeah, that's and that's where I
Like people can when we talk about politics and stuff
(16:41):
You can get me on you can get me to understand your point of view and say like
Yeah, there's a libertarian angles and some of them make sense and stuff but
ultimately I think
Pay more in taxes to make sure kids are getting fed at school so they can do well in school and be educated properly and be intelligent
But my need to our school is more valuable to me because we are a system that is that humanism idea is like this is a system
(17:04):
Every you need a safety net and you need everyone in the country to have a certain level of living
And if that means that some people are cheating the system and being assholes then that sucks
But I don't know what to tell you. I don't want the other option, which is okay cut all
Methods and all safety nets. Yeah, just to make sure that no one gets ahead of you exactly
Because I don't know you know and anyway
Um, so that's where my hate so that's where you're
(17:27):
So you're listening to him his podcast before yeah, I followed him years ago really
And you followed him through his journey because he was married or no he was fiance with the with the blonde girl the model
Yeah, okay, and what what was his relationship because now he's with these two other women
Well, I know that they I followed them because I find people that like try to have
(17:52):
relationship in a in a unique way fascinating. I don't think it's wrong
I honestly don't think it's wrong for people to say I think I love
In a unique way that can be
For that fills the most fulfilling with multiple partners. I think
(18:14):
Tell me like I lean into that shit and I'm like tell me more how do you do this tell me what the fucking struggles are for you
And it's I'm so curious. I am so curious as to how you navigate this within your relationship because you even in this podcast even in this uh show
They talk about the struggles of that they have um
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Alana is like
I'm trying to
She wants to fill number one in her relationship with Aubrey in a in a in a in a thrupal
Yeah, they're basically you know
And that's what I wanted to describe for the people who were like well, what are they talking about they're basically a thrupal right?
Well, I don't know sit down there for fucking 40 minutes and then maybe you'll understand what they're talking about because my god
(19:01):
They're the most long-winded fucking households. I've ever heard in my life
And I'm sitting there listening. I'm like, what are we talking about here?
They're a thrupal, but they're trying to package it as radical monogamy some new radical monogamy
They use the term 100 times and don't really ever define it
Yeah, and we're looking at you like wasn't this just a thrupal? It's Aubrey and two chicks
Yeah, he thinks that he's reinventing the goddamn wheel out here and I'm like dude you're just in a thrupal calm yourself
(19:26):
But my favorite thing is
About Aubrey is that they're in this he has to convince
Okay, this is what happened. This is how this is my understanding. I'm not in their relationship
I I unfollowed him because I was like you're fucking gross
and I
I'm gonna give you my version of what happened take it with a giant grain of fucking salt because this is
(19:52):
not
fully based in truth, okay, it's my perception
Aubrey was with Whitney
Aubrey and Whitney were he had to convince Whitney to join to be open to be poly
um
It didn't she didn't love it. She ended up they split or whatever and
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then she came to terms with that
She wanted to be in a thrupal that she like from my understanding for my recollection of what she had said in the past was
She realized that she did struggle with monogamy that she always did it
But she never had real monogamy because she would cheat on people. Oh she would she would too. Yes. Oh
So she her in her own words from my recollection was
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I've decided I've never been
monogamous we always did it in this like shitty way right
Where I would cheat or they would cheat or whatever which is true. That's not monogamy. So
Then she went back to him is like all right, let's try this. Let's try this open shit or whatever
They would go to like fucking burning man and like where the cool outfits and show off their six pack
(21:05):
You know like country people do and do drugs and fucking party and act like they're enlightened
I still love all that shit whatever I think it's great um
Then as some place in all of this mix he hooks up with Alana and
(21:26):
They do like ayahuasca they do some kind of hallucinogen together within that who with him
But Vailana or Alana Alana is the new guy. No, no, no, no, no, Vailana. Vailana. She
in their
psychedelic trip
(21:46):
They both decided I'm gonna say both in quotes
They both decided that they are going to be monogamous with each other and that their love is too strong and they have to
really like
Not be open with other people we got to be monogamous or whatever
so they close and
Bad news for fucking Whitney
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This bitch is still thinking she's poly with Aubrey. Okay
So then that relationship gets destroyed because now he's in this thing with
Volana okay, and they break up
Now Whitney's gone okay, and they're doing their thing whatever they're sacred and I was like oh that's super interesting
So whichever way the wind fucking blows for Aubrey is what happens with him his fear which I
(22:31):
undersed like to a certain degree it's his money. It's his fucking relationships. I get that but like
That's also not really holding space for the things that your your
Truth is I'm gonna put that in air quotes. You're not really
being truthful to yourself are you now because it's like
You take these women on this ride and then when you decide because you do a psychedelic trip that it's closed
(22:57):
And now you're closing it with somebody else
Everybody just has to be okay with that
Right yeah, and he's in the problem and that's why I notice is
It's the same pattern that he's he was monogamous with Volana and then he says
in the show that
Um
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Why haven't my notes that he said maybe this is during the trip that you were talking about that god
God put a white star into his third eye
Which told him to get with the Vittlana Volana uh-huh, and that's like
The voice that guided him he does a lot of the the whole thing was he's constantly doing psychedelics and he's constantly having god or the divine or the goddess for the black
(23:42):
Telling him which way to go and now
Goddess or divine is spirit he calls it spirit
Um
Could try to tell a story of how he hooked up with a new young
2.0 here. Yeah
Well, so they so they're monogamous now and now at some point
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Aubrey decides that he doesn't want to be he doesn't like this
He didn't like this before he doesn't like it now he wants to be open
So now he's trying to convince Volana that he that um and they don't use this language by the way they use very
Flowered long-winded asotaric language. Yeah, so but but from what I got from it was the gist that I got was
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He convinced
Volana that he wants to be a poly he wants to be open so then they go to like
And I guess that was a hard fight for her for a while or whatever and then she leans into it like that's the same thing that Whitney did right
And then they go to Miami and in Miami they decide that this is where they're gonna start like looking for a third
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I mean the whole story is crazy
We talk about this kabala talk to mark mark gaffney and it gets really crazy when they start talking about going into this temple of ISIS to do this ritual and then these
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It's our about god bomb ceremonies, which I compared to Charles Manson because it is kind of the same thing
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