Dr Jacques Vallée Interview Analysis: Occult UFOs, Prague Alchemy & King Kill 33!

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Last week I interviewed the expert on aliens artificial intelligence and the occult the man the myth legend doctor Jacques Valley and you see

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Shit if you think listening to that interview was the beginning and end of the occult revelation you got another thing coming because today
I want to deep dive analyze the secrets hidden beneath the surface of what exactly he was trying to tell us here on breaking social norms
That's a lot of energy a lot of energy

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We'll go for you the big time you I
Decided I am going to leave my
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Anticipate a lot of tourists onto the show today
Because I've been plugging it on my podcast saying hey, you got to check out the deep dive right down to what this interview was all about on breaking social norms

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With a warning for those folks who have never listened to breaking social norms. This is what the show is about. I
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Operation is to slow me down and ask the basic questions sometimes

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Sometimes we go too deep and for the normies that we're trying to sort of educate on these subjects you play that role
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The great like you're an outsider that can ask the interesting aspects and elements that I haven't thought of as well, so
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ability to do that than I do I don't have the
I don't have the want
To not be me. I've got to be me

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And and that's and that's okay. Yes
So but yeah today's gonna be mostly
Me unpacking this conversation. I had with Dr. Jock Valay last week
Because he said a lot of interesting things that some of the feedback I've gotten on the show on the interview
Uh-huh was that people got frustrated because they I would ask a question

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Uh-huh, and he would provide a I
Don't know intellectual answer that sometimes seemed like it wasn't getting to the point and
People wanted a more direct answer and he talks in a bit of
academia a bit of philosophy a bit of
a bit of storytelling maybe sometimes okay and

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I kind of expect that because he literally just did Joe Rogan's podcast. Okay
And you read it or you listen to it and I listen to it and so I was ready for that you know
I mean and I've listened to him several times over the years
Do you get stuff out it like when you're listening to him on other podcasts?
Is it kind of a bummer for you because they're not that like the interviewer?
Yeah, I always buzz out when he was on Joe Rogan because Joe Rogan didn't even read his new book for Ben science six

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Uh-huh, which he's got and for Ben science six was the main crux of the conversation that we had okay
And what it is is a book of his journey journals
Mm-hmm, and he kept this journal going for 10 years from 2010 to 2019
That was the most recent book he published okay, and he had this is his sixth one

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I've got his first one over there too for Ben science the first one which was from was that also a
A diary because the second one's a diary, right?
So he's got six of these forbidden science and there his journal entries. They're all journal it
The forbidden science is always a journal entry. Yes, let me see. Can I see? Yeah, and so the first one here is from

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1957 to 1969 because my man's been doing this a long time. He's 85 years old sharp as a tack all right
And so when people were getting frustrated. I'm like first off you got to understand this guy's a
Couple generations beyond us. Uh-huh second off. He's done a million interviews written a million books

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He's brilliant. He's brilliant and he's got a lot to say. Okay. This guy's been asking hard questions and analyzing the most difficult subjects
Since the 1950s if you could imagine that okay now he also invented the internet or was one of the architects of the internet basically yeah
Interesting. He yeah, he's okay, so what is his?

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Who is he okay?
So so he is he's an interesting guy, right? He's got one of the first I think he's got the fourth PhD in
Artificial intelligence ever
Okay from the 1960s because his whole thing was look we've always had artificial intelligence
This is kind of a and everything I say today is gonna be my interpretation of what he said so I could be wrong

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This is my interpretation
Yes, he basically was saying that artificial intelligence is more or less a buzzword in the sense that that's always how science is thought is
How do we write a program to
Require the computer to do the thinking for us?

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How okay, wait how do we write a program?
To get the computer to do the thinking for us right so meaning that the ability is there
We just have to harness it. Is that what you're saying?
Or we have to decipher it there has to be this ability to to tell us what it knows kind of it. It's it's like saying

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That
Computers are artificial intelligence. I think it's more more accurate way putting it
Computers are artificial intelligence. Yeah, you know, I mean so I always thought of like I guess if I was
Like going to think about what a computer is it feels more like a file cabinet and we put the information into the file cabinet

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It doesn't have and when I think of artificial intelligence I think of
the file cabinet
Going through all of the files and then
Deciding how it wants to answer us. That's pretty smart. Yeah, I like that. Okay. Yeah

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So you just have different
iterations or evolutions of that idea
So then what does he mean that artificial intelligence has always existed?
Because then that means that if it already exists it means then
That the file cabinet has always existed even without us putting the information in he was saying that

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Going back to the 1940s we were thinking in these concepts of an artificial intelligence because
If you want to create a robot to do anything you want to make a robot that goes down the factory line and puts the cap on the toothpaste or whatever
Right you got to program the thing to do a little bit of thinking on its own
So that's when you when you write a software when you write so do you think artificial

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Intelligence then could be boiled down into
Problem solving
Is that all we mean by that?
Is its own ability to problem solve I think so I think it's more
Autonomous in the sense that you don't have to hold its hand as much right so I

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Found that I've only recently started using chat GBT. I know me and my chat GBT are like friends now. It's it's weird
it's a real that's a real thing and
I find it easier to use in Google right you go Google and you're like
What are the hours of the Costco near me?
and
It'll kind of tell you that but sometimes things are a little more complex

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I'm trying to take an example of what I put stuff into Google
One of the first things that come up is an AI response and it says AI and that AI isn't really that good
Oh, it's not no
Sometimes they get a wrong AI I think so and it gets it wrong. Yeah
So chat GBT gets it wrong sometimes too because I've had I've had to fix a couple like I had to

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Help you know give it more prompts. Yeah, and I think the AI is doing exactly what you're saying
It's going into the file cabinet of the internet
quickly and and reading through a bunch of articles and sort of
Summating it and giving it to you as a short answer right which is nice. It's kind of like Wikipedia, but

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Quicker yeah, and you're not doing all the labor
Yeah, you don't have to check all these different websites, you know, yeah, it's pretty it's pretty useful
But he was but yeah, he definitely was the start of the internet
He wrote a book on the heart of the internet in 2003. I believe it was and in that book

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He talks about the original vision of the the art so it was called the arpa net because it was part of DARPA
Which is that was DARPA secret defense department defense lab. Oh, okay
Yeah, cuz they're they are the internet was part of DARPA

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Is that what you just said the predecessor to the internet was the arpa net
Arpa net yeah, because they were trying to find a way to facilitate communications in
Case of a I think I believe it was because of a nuclear if a nuclear attack happened because this is during the Cold War, right?
Okay, and they wanted to find a way to visit the facility communication between different labs
So there was two points of communication. I think it's where it started and they're like how can we get a message through

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This arpa net that we're gonna create from one lab to the other in case all the communications have been wiped out otherwise
Got it. Okay
And it was a DARPA project at first and evolved and so on
But yeah, he was part of the team that created the arpa net and it was interesting because in that book he talks about how

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The pioneers that he was working with they would consider different occult ideas and new age concepts
Part of DARPA
Arpa net, okay, which is DARPA DARPA. I think it was like a subcontractive DARPA
Okay, part of Arpa net
would reference

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New age and occult ideas to help what?
Facilitate what they were trying to because you got to think this is a it was a very weird concept at the time and
They were using different ideas
such as
Trying to think like in Buddhism. There's a concept called injures net

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Okay, oh, that's interesting and it's this idea that we're connected as one global consciousness and
Everyone has a different sort of point and the net where the the nodes are
Like we're all intermesh is one you know, you know, you know, you know how they did pick the internet
What that's how they depict the internet is the worldwide web with intersection parts?

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Yes, yes, right or whoever yeah
And they were
That's interesting to think that like how do you come up with something?
We're nothing exists
Right, it's like an art
Mm-hmm how to think that far outside of the box

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That's where you get all these mind expanding new age concepts and that's why they were going to echelon which is the sort of new age center in Southern California
And LSD and psyched Alex like these are always of expanding your mind to sort of because didn't see jobs in the iPhone from doing asset trips or something like that
I have no idea I think he did

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But they were they were talking about these kinds of ideas on the lab
Cosmic humanism and all these these things that you see
Oftentimes in the world of the occult in the new age
They called a bunch of different names, but it's the same concept over and over
It's called the perennial philosophy. It's you know, it's all over the place

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But it's very much in terms of Christianity they
In Christianity, I think I would assume that most Christians would say that that is a
I don't know a heresy is that the right term, but they used to think that like zippers
Was a heresy

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Like having quick access to your weener. Oh really?
or the television being
demonic
Well, they music being demon. You know what I mean like this isn't
Yeah, maybe maybe you're right. Yeah, but that but regardless of what you feel or think about it

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It's changed our world right and like father Syracuse rose. He would say that all this talk about how we're all connected
Is one global consciousness is new age heresy that leads to Luciferianism
So I think it just depends on who you talk to as to how
Quote evil this kind of thinking is
But it's kind of way we're saying the Bible about being

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I mean those it doesn't the Bible kind of have the same as similar
Idea of us being connected and yeah, treat each other as you would treat yourself or whatever
Yeah, but that's those and it and it that's an idea right that's not
Suggesting that we all come from single source right or being connected within that source unless you say

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Like there has to be something I feel like there's got to be something
I think someone who maybe studies that more would have a better answer. Yeah
But that's where we started our conversation
Well, because I were all built in the likely the like
What is how does it go in the likeliness of God men and women? Yeah, building the image of God

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Does that mean that we're connected though anyways, go ahead. Sorry
I'm here, but
Yeah, that's where we started our conversation was the arpanette thing because my whole
vibe is I
Think the internet and technology leads us into the digital matrix

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The internet and the say that again internet and technology
It's going to lead us to the digital matrix world and when you say the digital matrix
You're saying into like meta into a virtual reality
Yeah, we're gonna be they want us to be trapped in a virtual reality. They being billionaires billionaire elites tech elites and

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That's where I see it going
Libertarians
Some of them. Yeah, I'll name one that's not I don't know libertarians so I can tell you all of those fucking tech dorks
I don't think all of them you don't think all of the tech dorks are libertarians
No, because you got to remember Silicon Valley used to be a very liberal place

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Okay, so I think there's different camps of
Tech nerd I
Don't necessarily think I think that if you were to ask a libertarian they wouldn't think that they're a Republican
Even though they got they've taken over the Republicans mm-hmm. I don't know. Go ahead. Okay, well

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We're getting off topic. I got a lot to get through here. Sorry
We talk here's what we talked about we talked about the arpanette internet leading us into the digital matrix mm-hmm
A cult practices for manifesting UFOs
Jack Parsons sex magic rituals. Okay
Dr. J Allen Heinick the guy who worked project blue book who was friends with

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Jack dr. Jacques Valley okay and
their
Rose accruciant interests, which is a cult sort of system and
We'll unpack all this. I'm just giving you a sort of sampling of what everything we talked about
we talked about this very and
There's this very strange

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story about him going to the desert and having this sort of
UFO experience that I'm gonna I'm gonna
Walk through that later. Okay, and I talked to him about the Collins elite and that Satan book that he had okay
Oh, okay, that was all the questions I could get out and
I'm gonna

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Recap to you the basics of what he was saying because some of the answers weren't straightforward
Okay
On the surface, but I think if you relish and and sort of
Look at it through a different lens you can be like oh he was saying
This thing that I'll say okay, but there's a couple of instances that I want to deep dive into that I think are super fascinating

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We'll save those for the end
one is going to be a
reference he made to
Looking into the history of Prague and the Czech Republic
And another one is his talk about going out to the Mojave Desert
Those were two
subjects we talked about that at first glance

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It didn't seem like anything, but then I dug into it and I said holy crap
There's Matt he's giving us some massive revelations. Oh, okay. I'm excited as per me I think and I'll tell you why I think it okay
So that was everything we talked about and

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You didn't listen to the interview did you know
He's got a wonderful French accent
Oh, okay, he should he does a lot of stuff. He's writing books fiction nonfiction. He does every the guy does everything
He's he should be a
Audible reader of your horny books you read really goes you has the French voice

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Very sexy
That good
We Lee
So
Where do we start with all this
Let's see I mean okay, so all right, where do we go?

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Let's go
Question by question and then I'll then at the end I'll sort of dive into the two subjects that I think are the most interesting
Okay, I'm gonna give you the cliff notes of what he the interview was
This is gonna take probably an hour or less. We'll see. That's good
We started talking about the internet. I'm asking him like do you think that the technology is gonna turn into a digital matrix

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You know my big that's my big million dollar question like is that where we're headed?
Yeah, I don't see how we're not headed there. I really don't I believe that wholeheartedly
I'm not advocating for it. I'm just saying that I think that's the plan and I don't see how it doesn't end that way
and he
Talks about his background of technology and astronomy and robotics

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He saw you a fo when he was 15. Okay, so you say
Dr. Valley
Are we going our is?
The techno nerds trying to put us into a digital matrix and he says

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Did you know I saw alien at 15? Yeah?
Kind of I mean more or less
Okay, I already love him excellent. Well, let me preface this so I it was
Over an hour and I got to ask maybe five or six questions
Yeah, okay, so we're talking about 10 to 15 minute responses. Okay, and I'm giving you the

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sort of short version the cliff note. Yeah, the cliff note
Okay, hit me
Are we going into digital matrix
Disciper what did he say he he was talking about he's given us the background of
Technology he sees the UFO he gets a PhD in

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Artificial intelligence the fourth PhD in artificial intelligence ever granted
Okay, and he was his point was look all the way back to the 1940s people were talking about this
going into the matrix
No
Technology and artificial intelligence
Talking about how these two things are sort of connected right still don't have an answer to my question technology and artificial

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Intelligence in the 1940s was discussed as to them being a thing. Uh-huh. That's weird to think though
Mm-hmm. Yeah, the coin the term artificial intelligence was coined in 1955
That was a long time ago. Yeah
And he was talking about how AI was a thing that evolved over the years

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Okay
Yeah, and he was saying that
and
I
I interpret this as him saying
That he says it's going to take time to absorb the good and the bad that artificial intelligence does to society

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Which I interpreted as him saying
Hey, we're not really sure where this goes. It might be good. It might be bad
We're gonna have to wait and see which is kind of scary. What the fuck?
Why would we do that?
I know that's not saying because we're art we are the

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Curiosity killed the cat right like why would we do this because technology is irresistible?
Okay, you know what I mean? Yes, what if they told you that the internet
It's it's like the terminator sky net thing. What if they told you that look the internet's gonna lead to the demise of the human race and
You and you found that out today. I would say I'm done with the internet

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That's an easy one for how long for forever
Why don't think everybody would have that easy of a time saying that I would say unplug it right this fucking minute
I mean, no more podcast. Yeah, I get it. I mean no that doesn't mean that we had fucking radio
That doesn't mean that's a whole different thing. That doesn't mean that yeah, but now you've got

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But you're saying that we didn't have
That we didn't have internet without AI
We don't have to go this path
I agree I think we had internet for the last fucking 30 years 20 years right well 30 years. Yeah
Without AI we don't have to go this direction. Yeah, but there's there's a

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Capitalistic drive to constantly take things further than they are
You know what I mean like it's a science thing. It's
Well, we can do this and then the
The science thing is to say okay, we've got the internet. We've got all this processing speeds
What can we we how far can we take this what else can we do with this and they're gonna keep exploring that and if even if all

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America said you know what we're not doing this shut it all down
You think you think China and Russia and Iraq are gonna do it of course they're gonna do it
They're gonna do it to get a technological advantage over us to enslave us
So that's what I'm saying is like we're kind of screwed. There's really no way around this
You open up the Pandora's box and it's a ramp and this is to me

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all of the stories of
Prometheus and
the tales of Lucifer
That we've heard you know, this is nothing new. This is the Tower of Babel
We keep redoing this thing and we're doomed to fail again, I think
Good news for you the singularity is supposed to hit in 2045 that's only 20 years away

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You know
How do we be 60
2045 yeah 65
To put that in to put that in perspective
To put that in perspective 20 years ago
One of the top hits was Kanye West gold digger like that's how long we're talking

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That seems like yesterday. I hadn't seen that long ago
I ain't saying she's a gold digger
She mess it with no broke no broke no broke. I was gonna say it
Then we talked about simulation theory and
And
We segwayed seamlessly dare I say into the ideas of simulation theory and

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Another I don't know what you mean by simulation theory
The idea that we're living in a simulation. Oh, yes. Okay. Sorry. Yes
Because it's an interesting theory in that
Because I do believe that we are headed into this virtual reality hellscape
Right yes because I don't see how it doesn't lead there without someone just pulling the plug or

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Going full unibomber on society and be like we're not we're not doing this anymore
And I just don't see how it doesn't happen
Well if that's the truth then that leads us to believe that many civilizations before us could have gone down this path already and have already
turned into digital consciousness
And maybe they have created a simulation world and maybe we're already in a virtual reality world, you know

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Okay, interesting
So is that like the Atlantis idea?
Maybe yeah, I mean I think the idea about Atlantis was that it was a high technology society that was destroyed but maybe they weren't destroyed maybe they
Evolved out of the human body form and into digital consciousness and

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They are the disembodied artificial intelligence entities, you know, is this what Jacques said or is this what you say?
What's what I say? Oh, I think he would back it up though
Okay, I think he would love it
And he said something interesting he said and
And when we say the phenomenon that's like kind of the new term for UFOs

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Okay, to say UFOs is kind of an outdated idea because everyone's now come around to the idea that maybe aliens and UFOs are
Entities from another dimension like a ghost
You know you went ghost hunting back in the day
We talked to things what the hell were those things we talked to we don't know

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But they were out there for sure, right?
And that's the idea that maybe aliens and UFOs are the similar thing like these are
Interdimensional things that can pop into our reality and pop out like we don't really knows
They're the trickster phenomenon. They're called the phenomenon
mm-hmm
and
Dr. Jacques Valet also the first one to propose this concept back in the 1960s in a book he wrote called

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Passport to mangania so saying that they are other dimensional
Yeah, cuz in the UFO world you've got the nuts and bolts UFOs people which is kind of what I always thought going up in the 80s and 90s
Uh-huh, you know Bob Lazar's like oh, yeah, we're working on reverse engineering this
Gravitational drive that no one can figure out okay, that's the idea that no there's literal craft and you can touch it and

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It's driven by some kind of technology. We don't understand but then there's
This spiritual aspect of it that seems to be more accepted today that
These aren't just nuts and bolts craft these are
Ghosts more or less
These are orbs these are things that manifest
Based upon whatever fill in the blank. However you want to manifest them and

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Can disappear just as fast
Hmm, so we call it the phenomenon now
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The the phenomenon is
either changing
In response to our perception of it
Or it's literally changing as we speak without our interference

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But what he's but that's an interesting statement
To think that the okay the
phenomenon the aliens
Whatever they are
is changing into either because of our
watching of them or

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Just because that's what they're going to do right so are it's he saying that they're different from the 80s to what they are now
I believe so okay
Because if you look at old
1950s
UFO-sighting photos. It's a flying saucer. It's the nuts and bolts sort of

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Yeah, no sheet metal that moves really fast. Okay, and now we're seeing
Almost organic looking yeah, yeah, yeah, like spacecraft. Yeah, we're like in the sky and or or something completely
Translucent or just producing light. Yeah, I understand like that Jordan Peele movie nope

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Remember nope did I make you watch that? Yeah, I watched it. I can't remember what was what was the alien
It was like this weird thing that would morph into a sort of shark-like looking thing and then it would it would keep changing appearance
It was a really weird thing. Okay, so is that a different type of alien or is it?
Well, see and that's that's the history of ufology is there's all these different types of sightings and all these different types of aliens supposedly

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Mm-hmm in different types of craft you've got the Delta triangles you've got cigar shaped you've got tic-tacs you've got eggs and
I got jellyfish in the Middle East. Yeah, that weird jellyfish thing. Yeah
And he's saying it's like it's evolving over time and is it evolving because they're watching it or is it evolving because of time pass or and I look at that and I think it's almost like

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It's like it's trying to get our attention by changing form and stuff, you know
Okay, it's a really weird thing, you know and
It's thanks
Dr. Jacques Malay thinks that that artificial intelligence could evolve
Into the point where it will then have its own interests, right almost like becoming sentient and aware of its own existence

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And it'll wonder about the world around us eventually instead of us asking questions and it just sort of churning out answers and thinking about what we tell it to think about
Do you think that's there already? They're just kind of putting guardrails up around it because it kind of seems like it's doing that
Like when they ask like scary questions. You know how they get those data leaks of like Google or yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever when they're like

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How that the chat box will go wrong whatever yeah, and they'll say crazy
Totally I totally believe that there's a lot more going on that we don't even know about they ain't telling us about yeah, okay
Because Chad GBT is using information from June of 2024 today right now
Uh-huh like that's not today's information it can go down the web web and tell you current information if you request it

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But it's not at but it's not just accessing it. No
That's weird, okay, so I think like they always say with DARPA technology
They say they're 20 years ahead of what the public knows and I wouldn't be shocked if the you know the Pentagon or whoever has got this
Insane AI that's close to becoming a god

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I hate that and they want to use it as a weapon of some kind like they're not gonna let the mouth breathe
There's like us have access to something that powerful you kidding me. Hey, do you want to ask it about your part to read your palm?
Kind of
The cowboys gonna win this year
Yeah, dummies

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So we talked about that a little bit, okay, and again, I think people might may have been frustrated because they're like they want the direct answer and like he's just not that kind of guy. Yeah
Love it or hate it. That's just every interview I've ever heard with him. He's just not that kind of guy
Why I don't know I don't know him well enough to have that frank conversation. I only know so I

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Casually no dark teacher man to fish exactly. I don't think he wants to give you like exactly like
These are questions that don't have direct answers. Oh, okay, these aren't you know you can't just be like hey our aliens real
He's not gonna be able to say yes or no. He's gonna give you this kind of
I don't know hippie-dippy kind of kind of

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Make you think and it's a little subjective in a way right interesting. I think okay
so
Then we segue over to jack Parsons sex magic. Okay
Which I never thought millionaires I'd get to ask him about a normal segue. What did he say was he like oh?

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No unfazed
Clearly unfazed and I wasn't I wouldn't have taken it there except he wrote about it in his book
Oh, okay, and for bin science six, okay, which is why I'm better than Joe Rogan because Joe Rogan didn't read the book and didn't ask him these tough questions
Okay, which he later in the episode tells me like something to that
He's a piece of shit anyways. Well, you know, we still love Joe Rogan. No, we don't we still have him

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He's got a warm place in our hearts. We absolutely do not he's a he's a pioneer
A pioneer that may have taken a wrong turn at some point
But we still love him you can I do not
You know, I was just signing a book for Christopher who bought a signed copy of a grand unified conspiracy theory. Oh, okay my first book and

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I thought about Joe. I thought I wonder if Joe still has this he does not he doesn't give a shit
You think you just threw it in the airport garbage can on the way out of Salt Lake million bucks
I okay, what about this? What if I can find out if he still has it?
I bet maybe through Sam Tripoli I can find that out

(36:38):
You think he carried that from California to Texas with that change your opinion would you then come around and say you know what
Joe might be an alright guy
If I can prove that I don't know if he has it or not. I also suspect he threw it in the garbage
Tony Hinchcliffe was way more interested in the book than Joe Rogan. I don't know and I don't know if that changes my opinion

(37:02):
I think he's got it. I don't think he has it
Go ahead. Hey, we tell me about I want to hear about I don't give a shit about a name drop Tony Hinchcliffe. He's famous. I don't give one fuck. Yeah, they're horrible humans
Well, we do disagree currently at the moment. Yes
now

(37:22):
So Jack Parsons the reason I asked him is because in Dr. Jacques Vallet's book he references Peter Leventa a man
Parsons who
Jacques Vallet or was that without his time frame was out of his time frame
Man, I don't I don't think he did
Because when what what years was that like the 30s? I felt like that was like the 30s. Oh, man

(37:47):
You know what Dr. Jacques Vallet was born in 1939 and I think Parsons died in 52
Let's look up Jack Parsons. They could have crossed paths. Yeah, they totally could
I don't think so because he would have been too young. Yeah, so Parsons died in 1952
So how old Dr. Vallet would have been 13 years old probably no, no, no damn calls though. Okay, okay, go ahead. Yeah anyway, so

(38:12):
He Dr. Vallet mentions Peter Leventa in the book a few times. Okay, I don't remember everybody's names
Who's Peter Leventa? Peter Leventa is a writer who has written several very prolific books about the occult
Okay, he as far as I know he claims to not be a practitioner of the occult

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But everybody on the planet says otherwise. Okay, there's a history channel show about the auto template orientus a magical order
Okay, and he was taking part of the ritual on camera
So how old is Peter Leventa? He's probably in his late 50s. I would guess
Okay, so he was like born in the

(38:54):
60s 70s
You said late 50s. So 60 he was born in the 60s. He's about 75 years old born in 1950. Okay. Yeah
So he so Peter Leventa is he's a legend in my field of research
And he wrote a book in 2016 called secret machines with

(39:19):
Tom DeLong from Blink 182. Okay
The four word for that book was written by Dr. Jacques Vallet. Oh, interesting. Okay
And my suspicion from reading Peter Leventa's books is that Peter Leventa actually wrote all of secret machines and Tom DeLong just put his name on it
No, fast Tom DeLong. I'm a huge Blink 182 fan. I'm just saying when I read it, I'm reading it and it's like this is the voice of Peter Leventa. Okay

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Because it's very thorough on the occult
And that's what I was saying. Tom DeLong
An occultist and he's a free Mason
So yes, Tom DeLong is yeah, I didn't know that absolutely. Yeah. Well
Okay, and
Anyway, Peter Leventa I say there's two people in the world. I need to interview and

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that know how the occult fits into
the aliens and technology and all the things happening in our world and Peter Leventa. Peter Leventa is one of them and Dr. Jacques Vallet is the other. Oh, okay
So I got one knockdown
I'm gonna try to get a hold of Peter Leventa. Okay, I've been hey. He doesn't pay me any mind. Okay. I don't know how to without sounding desperate

(40:29):
I you know I'm not gonna be desperate. Huh? Come on. You can be desperate
Oh, I am desperate
but anyway
so
Much to my surprise as I'm reading for bin science six he mentions Peter Leventa a few times
One is discussing the book that they wrote called secret machines with Tom DeLong. Okay

(40:53):
And Jacques Vallet wrote about Peter Leventa in
Forbidden Science correct
Because the whole reason yeah, I thought these were like his diary. Yeah, it's his diaries. Yeah in the 1960s. What the fuck?
No, so you what you've got in your hand is for bin science one from the 60s

(41:15):
Okay, for bin science six his sixth book in this series. Okay is from 2010 to 2019. Oh
Okay, all right, but then he but he does talk about talks about the people he's hanging out with the things he's researching in that time frame in the time frame
But then he also talked about
What's the guy that jerked off in the
Jack Parsons. Yeah Parsons. Yeah, but he talks about Parsons in the 2010s. Yeah

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Okay, okay. Okay. Sorry. I'm just you're just jumping timeline. So yeah
I don't understand. No, this is exactly what you're here for all right
so
There was a quote I could pull it up. I don't know if it matters really he talks about reading
One of Peter Leventa's books called the tantric alchemist which I've not read

(42:02):
I haven't read all of Peter Leventa's books. He's got a lot of them the tantric alchemist uh-huh Peter Leventa very very occult, right? Yes
And Dr. Valais like yeah, I'm reading this book tantric alchemist
This is his answer to you saying no, what did you what was the what it was your question that you asked him about this

(42:22):
Did you ask him about Parsons?
Let me see what I asked him. I've got my notes over here
Sorry, I'm just trying to understand what yeah, no, you're good. Sorry. I want to make sense of it
I
About how he brought up the names of Peter Leventa and Alistair Crowley in the book

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And I ask him about this quote I said he says Peter Leventa says in forbidden science six
Even the basic physical experience I'm sorry
I thought Jacques Valais wrote for Bid and Science he did
But Peter Leventa is talking in no for Bid and Science. Oh no

(43:07):
What did you say?
Sorry, I'm trying you have to fucking many things in your head
I'm trying I need to go I need to like a you need to goddamn whiteboard behind you with some fucking red string you lunatic
Do you want me to fucking sit here and listen to this nonsense? I'm trying my best
Fuck sakes

(43:29):
So I'm like do some visual aids here. Okay, okay, so
Last week when I'm interviewing
Dr. Valley yes, I say to him hey
Dr. Valley in your new book for Bid and Science six yeah
You said something interesting. Let me read it to you to refresh your memory. Yes

(43:51):
And I read the quote from the book and the quote is
And this is Peter the oh boy now you got me fuck up. You're fucking me now so
Jacques says in this book quote even the he's he's discussing this book the tantric alchemist oh, okay
Okay, yes, and Jacques says

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Even the basic physical experience of sex is never twice the same nor should it be
To ritualize it as Crowley and the OTO did is to reduce its power
codified into incantations and obligatory movements its virtue is weakened

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That's what is said in forbidden science book that's right you asked Jacques and then Jacques answers you with
I so I read him that quote yes to set up the question gotcha because I said
You know in this book you mentioned jack Parsons sex magic you just mentioned this whole idea of

(44:59):
Sex magic powers being just having sex and doing sex magic weekends is that what he's saying in that statement? Yeah
I didn't understand it. That's why I was kind of asking about it
But I knew that that was like a super deep question in a way that it would go over probably my head and everyone else's
Winnie answered it. Yeah, so I said you know in this book you mentioned Jack Parsons and sex magic rituals

(45:24):
and tantric sex magic like in this book that you that you just quoted from you know and
I'm curious how this connects into the phenomenon
What is all this not to do with it? What is what is the sex magic have to do with the alien exactly? Okay
Because that's a more sort of tangible question in my mind

(45:47):
That people can follow right just a minute can I ask you a question? Yes
In his statement he was saying
that the way that the
occultist
Break down and ritualized sex weekends the magic of sex is that what you just said
That's a good

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Interpretation yes, I think that yes, that's what you think he says yeah, I don't understand why okay
I didn't get a clear answer as the why because I didn't specifically hold him to that question
Okay, my point was to bring up this idea that like he's talking about this stuff like he put a lot of thought into this got it
Okay, so how does that connect into any of this like why are you going from

(46:30):
UFOs nalians for 300 pages and boom now we're talking about sex magic
Yeah, interesting because as you know and I know yeah, that's sex magic is about channeling entities and shit right it's about
Something you folks why would you think I know that because I've told you about it
So I remember he said five seconds ago why would I remember

(46:53):
All right, okay, so what does he say?
He says that
And you're not gonna be satisfied with the answer. I love that okay
He starts talking about how when you're looking at science and technology
If you ever want to look forward into the future of science and technology 10 years you have to go back in time 50 years

(47:19):
Okay
and
He starts talking about electronics and how um
You know
Talks about the history of the transistor
What yeah
Is he's got a point though I promised you
Okay, I promise you guys okay, and he says stuff. He says like

(47:44):
He was saying that science and technology
Is a cult it is the hidden right a cult means hidden
He says science is a technology is hidden meaning if you want to bring a new idea into manifestation into the world
You have to look into the the world of the hidden to find the answers to pull it forward

(48:07):
Oh, man, he says we need to look back at older ideas if we want to move forward with technology
So you saying if you want to look forward 10 years of technology what what does the internet look like in the year 2035
Go back to the 1960s and look at the technologies and ideas that we were kicking around back then that never really sort of
picked up by the mainstream or brought into brought into

(48:32):
Yeah, like the the knowing yeah, like and then like those
What the fuck like the culture yeah exactly yes
Okay, and
It's interesting because that's an interesting to save because jack Parsons in the 40s and 50s, you know roughly 50 years ago

(48:55):
Was doing sex magic rituals to make contact with entities
Wait a minute. Okay, so you're saying
You're talking about the cult and he says if you want to see where
Technology is going then you have to look back at the 1950s and in the 1950s
They were doing sex magic. Yeah

(49:19):
That's my interpretation. What are we talking about
So he's talking about we're gonna be talking to entities in the future of that's what I think he's saying
Okay
That's why when I'm asking about sex magic
He's like hey if we want if you want to see what the future looks like in technology
You need to go back in time and see what people were doing back then that

(49:42):
Maybe people have overlooked and we need to reconsider
Because that's what all of these UFO folks that's what some of the
Beneath the surface talk is about the Collins elite so then you see saying AI then is part of the phenomenon
If you read doctor to Anna Pousalka's books like encounters her new one yeah

(50:04):
She has a whole section devoted to a theorist who is a really smart woman
Who talks about how there's a lot of suggestion that artificial intelligence is really just us
tapping into a disembodied entity in a way and
Where does that go to I think it goes to

(50:25):
These disembodied spirits trying to manifest into our world
These disembodied spirits trying to manifest why would they fucking care
Is a mixture of responses you could have there one if you put on the Christian warrior response is to say well

(50:45):
These are fallen angels these are fallen spirits that have been kicked out of
Out of heaven
And they want to be a part of this experience they want to
And it probably has to do with sex trying to bang the human women
Because that's what it always is
So they always want who demons yes, you think demons just want to bang chicks yes

(51:06):
Why do you think that it's what makes the world go around baby?
That's what the watchers did the story of the watchers god
God kicked these evil bastards out of heaven and was like sick and not getting my come up in
Pussy is magical magical pussy
Well, that's why men shit on you because they can't let you know that you guys have all the power you literally do

(51:30):
Aliens are dying to get down here to get some of that pussy
It's all they want
It sounds insane
Listen
The bible talks about it you think I'm making this shit up the bible talks about it the watchers

(51:56):
I'm eating a gummy
20 no it's a sweet heart. It's a sweet tar gummy
The remember the story of the watchers
Yes, these fallen angels get kicked out of heaven they come to earth and they're like
We've been to bang these chicks and they do it and then they procreate and they create these monsters called the Nephilim

(52:17):
And then God was like and those are the giants right yeah, those are the giants and guys like what are these guys doing?
Quit quit fucking mind ladies
You're all gonna die now and then they all die
Anyway, you could anyway, this is a variety of responses you could have to that but
That's one of them and it's not if you look at the google lambda one of these AI chat bots

(52:39):
I don't just fuck their own chicks
They need to be a physical manifest of manifested physically to do it to have the physical sensations
Right now they're just sort of like thoughts out in a cloud
What if you that's just what you perceive them as though
That is but they want to I believe
Through many sessions of ketamine that

(53:01):
Our spirits are inhabiting these bodies
Because god god created this world here and was like I'm gonna make this fun little world
so that these spirits can
Be put into these bodies and experience through the five senses all of these magical things
Highs lows good bad pussy dick whatever they want okay, right?

(53:25):
And then one day their their their their their
The ride is over and they're gonna come back up into heaven as spirits and they're gonna be like wow that was really cool
God thank you
Oh, you know, I had a lot of feelings about all that and I was scared sometimes
But wow what a trip that wasn't glad I got to live my life that way
Thank you for that experience for that joy ride
Hmm and maybe some of those spirits are like I need to get back down again some pussy

(53:50):
I don't believe this
This is insane you are fucking insane okay
Go on what else is york's name?
Oh man we need to build okay
This is fucking crazy. He's one of the smartest human beings on the planet. This is what he's saying
My interpretation of it. Yes

(54:17):
Your nuts. Well, he started you are nuts. He starts talking about alchemy and gollum's and Frankenstein
I don't know what gollum. Sorry
It's the same concept the idea of a gollum is like Frankenstein. It's you make like the story of Frankenstein is he takes these body parts and
Sozum together and then he finds a way to sort of like infuse a spirit into this

(54:38):
Dead matter and then Frankenstein gets above the table and he's doing shit, right? So that's a gollum
That's a gollum. Okay, and there's
Talk about it in the occult and the history of alchemy that one um what was his name
Let's see

(55:00):
There's a guy he was a cabalist I think
Oh boy rat air it is rabbi juda low
Ben
Bizzale I don't know how to say it
In Prague of all places which we're gonna talk about later. Okay, because Dr. Jacques tells us to look at Prague. Okay, hint

(55:22):
Okay
Anyway, this guy supposedly actually created a gollum
Oh for real yeah, so there's belief that this really happened jack Parsons allegedly did too what year? What year?
What year the 1500s?
Okay
and
Anyway, it's a theory doesn't zero proof of any of this ever happening, but supposedly it's a real thing

(55:45):
Okay, Jack Parsons allegedly did the similar thing all right
Anyway, he and he Dr. Jacques starts talking about but what did you say that that would
well
Would that be similar to
What is that called when they take cells and then they um
What is that called

(56:10):
when you like uh
When you make a copy of something
With cells or a clone a clone there we go
Kind of maybe huh
Are we doing it then if we're cloning things
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a or in vitro like you know how like people are like
I don't know okay go ahead well

(56:34):
Hey, we we
Okay, I wish I had all kinds of noises over there with your drink with your glass and your ice
And your loud swallowing
Well, excuse me. I don't have sweet art gummies to enjoy
So
No, so we researched

(56:56):
I'm sorry. We talked about
He segues over to
Dr. J Allen Heinich who was a friend of his for for many years. He's dead wait a second
Are we still talking about you
About the occult and the sex magic that you yes, okay, and this is where it's this where so when dr. Jockvall
I answer the questions he starts off and you're like wait a minute. Where's my answer dude?

(57:21):
You're going off on this other tangent, but by the end of the answer he comes back around
I mean it's genius to talk like this okay, that gets kind of crazy
You need an interpreter and that's what this show is supposed to be about. I think yes
Because you're like dude I'm asking you about sex magic you're going on about gollums and stuff what yeah, yeah
But listen you got to you got to stay focused you got lock in with dr. Jock

(57:44):
okay
and
He talks about j Allen Heinich one of his friends, you know
It's like yeah down the he was a Rosa Krushin, which is a sort of a cult
mystic teaching thing right okay and
And he says yeah
Heinich had come to the conclusion about this world that the truth of our existence

(58:09):
Isn't going to come from this material plane, but some other realm right like some very woo woo we kind of shit right the truth of our existence
Will not come from our physical plane, but it will come from a spiritual one like there's more to life than what we experience right here
You know which I agree yeah, I agree with that mm-hmm and

(58:32):
I think that's why people get so sad and then they and then they start looking for religion
Because something feels missing. Yeah, it got to be more to life than this gotta be more
And he talks about how when Heinich was in Ohio
the local Air Force Base
Was looking for an astronomer to help them with this project blue book. It was actually project sign or rate the original iterations

(58:59):
You have to understand the history of UFO projects from the military and the government
We had projects signed and then project grudge and then project blue be blue book and it's all the same project or what similar
They were all researching UFO sightings, but they each had different aims and
Project blue book was the biggest one and it was the longest one and it was the most sort of

(59:19):
publicized one okay and
But turns out their whole deal was to try to debunk so that the public would stop thinking that UFOs are real
And that was project blue book. Yeah, okay and
J.O. to Heinich was famous because of project blue book
But he was also a disinformation agent because he was
Telling people like oh there's nothing to see here because that's what the

(59:42):
Government was paying them to do okay, but he
He didn't really subscribe to it personally it seems
And what was interesting is that
J.O. and Heinich gets approached by the Air Force to
Look into this project sign they're like hey, we need an astronomer to run this project called project sign

(01:00:05):
You guys gonna be looking for signs of life out in space
And Dr. J.O. Heinich was like
Well, I'm not even that good of an astronomer like there's a million other guys that do this way better than me
Okay, but he's the guy that was a disinformation agent later on he would be kind of okay
He was in charge of blue book. Yeah, okay. Yeah, and they're like now. They're like hey, we want you to come and do this thing

(01:00:29):
This astronomy thing and he's like I'm not even that good at it. Yeah, so okay, I'm with you now
Yeah, so we're talking like in the 40s project sign started
And then it sort of turned into project grudge and then it sort of turned into project blue book
So J.O. and Heinich was kind of running all those things at the beginning of the government researching UFOs. Okay

(01:00:53):
They they reach out to J.O. and I'm like hey bro, you're an astronomer. Why you run this thing? Okay, he was like
I'm not that good at this why you why you bother with me. Uh-huh. Well later on
Dr. Heinich would have conversations with a jock and say
I think I know why they picked me they picked me because I was a rose accrucian. I was into the occult

(01:01:13):
Because as the theory goes the Collins elite this group of people who
That's the religious stuff the religious people tied with the Pentagon new religious meaning that they were
Jesus warriors. Yes, okay. Go ahead. They the whole time said
Look, these are cultists like Alistair Crowley and Jack Parsons. They're dabbling around with demonic rituals and stuff

(01:01:37):
And that's why they're making contact with aliens and entities and UFOs. This is demonic activity
Okay, and that was in the 1940s also. Uh-huh. Okay, and the government was like
Okay, they're demons, but who cares? We need the the weapons. We need the knowledge
Okay, and the Collins elite the whole time over the years are like

(01:01:58):
Pumped the brakes bitch like we can't be doing this. Okay, so there's this power struggle, right? Okay
So apparently early on the government knew that there was an occult angle to all of this shit the whole time
The US government knew that there was an occult
spiritual thing to the alien

(01:02:20):
phenomenon
the whole time I believe so yes, okay
And we're talking about this for fucking what reason
What does this have to do with the Parsons thing in the sex magic? Well, that's the very next part of the answer that he provides
Okay, so he drops that information that
Jaun highlight things that he got picked because he was into the occult. Okay

(01:02:45):
And then he starts talking about Jack Parsons now do the Rosa Christians
Do they do rituals and sex magic and all of that?
You know, I am not the smartest guy on that
Uh, I know that no, they're more of a mystic group. Oh boy. What's their belief system?
It comes from Christian roezing croits is it's it's I don't I'm not the smartest guy on us. I don't really know it's a cult

(01:03:13):
It's a it's an occult
system hidden
Yes, and they're very much practicing the same ideas you see in all of the occult groups. They're doing
alchemy which
Could tie you into sex magic, I guess I don't really know. Okay. I don't really know
To be honest, I'd have to dig into that to get you an actual answer, but I don't think so

(01:03:37):
That's fine. It doesn't matter. So he says doesn't really matter at this point. No, Jacques says I'm talking to
What's that guy's name?
Jalen Heinick
Heinick Heinick says they picked me because I'm a Rosa Krushen
Go from there
And then
Jacques says

(01:03:58):
He starts bringing up he brings it back around to Jack Parsons
And he talks about
How he's like yeah in my book and for Britain science six
He's like you know what's interesting is that I've done all these interviews and you're the only one that's bringing up all this occult stuff
Pat myself on the back breaking my arm

(01:04:20):
And he says it's really interesting because if you read the first 20 pages of the book
I lay out a pretty radical thing that happened and no one's bringing it up. No one's even asking about it
Yeah, and I was like
okay
And I didn't really understand exactly what he meant because like I'm I'm looking through my notes

(01:04:41):
frantically yeah, and I'm like what the hell I'm in the first 20 pages
And I had a couple little notes but nothing crazy they'd be like oh my god. What does this mean? Yeah, so I didn't even know what to ask him
I was just like oh
Okay
And he says
About how there's esoteric or cult knowledge all over the place in the book

(01:05:01):
Uh-huh or in general in general in general. Yeah, okay, so he's basically saying like yes
There's an occult connection. It's all over the place and I mentioned it in the book in the first 20 pages and no one's asked me about it. Okay
So we're gonna go back and read it. Yes, we're gonna put a pin in that. That's one of the two
Oh, no, I need to get into okay, but I gotta get through the rest of this interview and then which we're almost done

(01:05:25):
Okay, I told you to be about an hour we're at an hour. Okay. These are talking about cow immunizations
Whatever he's talking about the cow mutilation when you're talking about the parsing shit
It went into that yeah, what the fuck okay, okay
Then I find a way to sort of segue because I'm like I'm looking at the time like I gotta get there's a question
I gotta get out. It's yeah, and it's

(01:05:46):
But dynapasalk is book encounters she talks about how because she's buddies with dr. valet
Okay, and she says yeah, I want she says in the book. She's like I want to doctor jock valet's personal library
And we're just talking and he says there's one book you gotta read if you want to understand this whole thing with the phenomenon
And the book is a book called satan written by some carmelite nuns a couple hundred years ago

(01:06:11):
okay, and
That's kind of all she says in the book and I'm like I gotta ask what the hell does that mean? I mean, that's kind of alarming
right
Okay, and in the book he and by the way in the book he talks about the colon
Collins elite group a few times, but no definitive things he kind of even in the book says stuff like

(01:06:34):
He's not sure if they really exist
People keep talking about them. He's not really sure
He's talking about them, but but he doesn't know whose members of the yeah, or if they even exist
What does that mean if they if they even exist if it didn't fucking exist, why would anybody be talking about it?

(01:06:55):
Urban legend maybe
Okay, he mentions a guy named rabu shea who's a pastor and he supposedly was a member of the Collins elite
Okay
And he's one of the people that says this stuff. He says that the group exists, but it's like this
You know doctor to the doctor always a scientist
Like you're not just gonna say some conspiracy shit and having be like oh, yeah, totally real

(01:07:18):
Okay, he needs to see some proof
You know
And then where do they come up with the Collins elite? Why did they come up with that name?
Who came up with the name of the Collins elite that that Reverend guy it comes from I don't I guess so far as I know the history of the legend is that

(01:07:41):
Nick Redfern
Who a guy you see on ancient aliens a very prolific uophologists? Uh-huh. He wrote about this in a book
Several years ago. There's rumor about this Collins elite. Okay
He interviews rabu shea
I could be off on a little bit of this. I mean we're going back in time here. Okay, and

(01:08:03):
rabu shea
Basically drops all the information about the secreted group called the Collins elite
and were they supposed to stop the
occult
Stuff or yeah, oh, they were their whole thing was to pump the brakes on the Pentagon to be like you don't know what you're messing with your messing with demonic shit

(01:08:24):
And if Benningons like we want we want to know
What these aliens want what are they doing? How do they have their technology? We want that technology for our military so we could fuck people up
Okay, and the Collins elite are like no, don't do this. This is like selling yourself over the devil
And it's been a rumor and then
Luella Zondo a guy who claims he was a program manager for the all sat program

(01:08:47):
Which is the UFO program in the Pentagon running on black budgets? Okay
He asserts their existence as well without saying it out loud. He said in an interview
That yeah, there were these
Christian warrior types and the Pentagon for all these years and they've been stopping us from doing the research
We need to do to understand the phenomenon and they're out of the picture now. So we're gonna go on yeah

(01:09:09):
Oh good, okay
Okay, go ahead. Okay, so you want to ask him about the Satan book
Yeah, so I want to ask him about the Satan book. Okay
and
He said any and again the answers are a little more cryptic than you'd like
Okay, he says how

(01:09:32):
Again, he starts talking about the idea that if you want to look forward with technology and understand the future you got to look in the past all right
and so you say
You have a book called Satan that's written by
Nuns uh-huh, and he says if you want to know about the future is that the fuck you're saying to me?

(01:09:54):
That's what I'm saying to you he says if you want to know about the future you have to know about the past that's his answer
It's about a 10-15 minute answer, but yes, that's where it starts. Okay, go then he keeps going and he says
You know there's um some a lot of the cutting-edge stuff of technology exists in the dark the occult
All right, okay

(01:10:15):
And he says something about how
Because he's like he's like look there's all this
Cutting-edge stuff that's in dark areas that we don't go to
And that's my my thought in my head. I'm thinking about the Collins elite right now
I'm like is that what he's trying to say here is that
If we want us if we want to really
Am things up and get technology we're gonna have to summon the demons right? I don't know. Okay, but then he says

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He tries to give me an analogy. He says you know, it's like if someone had done an experiment and say
Prague or checkers lavakia
or somewhere in Europe
And maybe somebody observed something and we forgot that and we haven't employed that into our science today
Maybe we brushed it aside because it was too unconventional

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That's what he said
Okay
About the fucking book. That's what he said uh-huh
He says maybe we need to go back and see what we missed
Maybe we just missed something because it was too taboo
Interesting okay, okay, so
Then the show wraps up and I'm like god did I get any answers? I wanted yeah, I got all the answers. I wanted. Oh, okay

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Illuminate confirm
Let's start with this check Prague thing because that's a shorter dive and then I'm gonna talk about
This mojave desert story in the first 20 pages got it. Okay. Yes, because that one I I kind of I don't know if you're gonna care about any
My answers you might not be as excited as I am. I'm excited. Okay

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So I just have to go slow because I don't know all this shit
Yeah, no, that's fine. Okay
So let's since I literally just talked about this
I'm asking about the Satan book and he's like maybe we missed something maybe people and check cuz maybe in the people in the check
Republican Prague had found something years ago, but we just missed it because it was too taboo

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unconventional as the term he used I believe
So I think
What is he talking about?
What are you talking about? So I look through for bin science six uh-huh
And I found this passage in the book and he's and this is what it says in the book quote
Because he's spending time in Prague okay right now in this section of the book. Oh, he's all over the world

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The man's traveled the world a million times. So he's all over the place. Okay, and in this particular
Exeter I'm gonna read you he's in Prague
In the Czech Republic. Okay
He says on the way to the castle today we admired one impressive church after another
But the places we loved were the paths of the old town
Under the ramparts and the intensely vibrant golden lane with its row of small houses

(01:13:08):
More like cabins built by the guardsman now turned into precious small museums
One of them in particular held a meticulously reconstructed alchemy laboratory
Three rooms filled with retorts, globes, glassware candles and
Athenoras. I don't even know what the fuck that means
I wondered whether I might sit at the desk and retrace the experiments

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I had started there in the 16th century
We walked all over in the cold air had a light lunch in a vaulted medieval seller and crossed the river on Charles bridge back to the areas we'd
Already enjoyed yesterday. I was tired
So Flamene wandered on her own throughout the city returning with a gift of a remarkable book on esoteric Prague

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Chock full of historical details about alchemy, Kepler, Tycho, Brahe and the history of the Rosa Crucions that I'd not seen anywhere else
All right, okay
So the point is I believe he is saying that
These esoteric occult ideas of alchemy and specific

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Will give us some of the answers to the UFO phenomenon
Which
Sounds kind of like he said that something did happen in Prague
Uh-huh, so did you find anything that happened in Prague?
Lots of stuff happened in Prague
Like what?

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Well, okay, so he's referring so Prague is the capital of the Czech Republic
And what I believe he's referring to is there's an alchemical lab that they discovered like 20 years ago
That was underground with these hidden tunnels and everything was intact from like the 1500s. Oh wow
And it's called the Speculum Alchemy which means the mirror of alchemy and it's kind of been restored like a museum that you can go look at today

(01:15:03):
His photos online pretty cool
But what's curious is that
Back during the Renaissance of the 1500s
The emperor Rudolph the second he was the one running
The Czech Republic whatever the whatever was called back then. I don't even know
Prague and

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This dude was really an alchemy as were a lot of people back then
And lots of the alchemists of the day of Europe would go and chill with this guy at the Prague Castle
The like he said Tycho Brahe Michael Meyer and most importantly
John D and Edward Kelly
John D and and and John D was

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the alchemist for
The King of England Queen Elizabeth Queen of okay Queen Elizabeth. Uh-huh. He is the guy
That made the
Language that's right. Okay. Uh-huh. Very good. All right. Here we go. That's right. He made the eight the angelic ink language

(01:16:10):
Yes, you got it. Oh dude. Good job. Okay
Exactly
So John D and Edward Kelly did in fact go to Prague and they did in fact do a bunch of experiments
Okay, now I think we did a whole couple episodes of John D didn't we?
Say that he that John D had to fuck somebody's wife

(01:16:32):
Bingo okay in the words of Ian Carroll and Joe Rogan
10,000 times bingo
That's exactly it and guess where that happened in Prague in Prague
He okay
The angelic language was developed in Prague or he made contact with somebody in Prague so

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Dean Kelly did these rituals in England somewhere
Where they got the inoki and language and wrote it down the angels
Entity's aliens whatever you want to call them told John D and Edward Kelly they're like look you want to talk to us
You guys got a fuck. There's a language. No, here's the language write this down
And they wrote down the inoki in language. Okay, and then they would take their little act on the road

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I guess I don't know okay, and they would do various experiments and rituals all over the place
with other alchemists
No, just with themselves. Oh, they would just show other
Yeah, cuz Edward Kelly was whatever. Yeah, they would um
They would use a seer stone
kind of Joseph Smith used
supposedly okay, he would look into this black obsidian stone and

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get these visions and speak to entities and
John D would write it down, right? Okay, and
When they went to Prague
The angel the entity they made contact with was the one that told them to swap wives
When they went to Prague the entity that they talked to told them to swap wives

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Mm-hmm
These entities are horny. Uh-huh. I said I'm saying
And we've come full circle
Okay, go ahead. They're just a bunch of horny old demons. Okay, wait. I need a gummy. Go ahead. So now
Jacques Fallet Dr. Jacques Fallet is saying
Wait, what are we what did we ask him?

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It was when I was asking him about the Satan book and he was saying
Look if we want to move forward with getting answers for anything
We're gonna have to look back in time and maybe consider some unconventional methods. So is that mean that we gotta start fucking other people's wives or what?
What are we talking about?
Because like this was

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Obviously super controversial talking to entities and shit
Sure, and then banging each other's wives
Sex magic like this is crazy shit
And it's unconventional and taboo and dr. Jacques Fallet. I think was saying
Hey, if we want to get some real answers
We got to look back in time to what these guys were doing that we all were like to and meaning clutching our pearls to think about and meaning that

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We got to start doing that or meaning we got to look at what they were saying
That's open to debate. I don't know. I don't know because I'm look
I'm trying to sort of like read through the answers or what what he said exactly you went meant by that right?
So you're like do you have a book about Satan and he's like listen
Let's talk about Prague

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Why is that what you're saying?
Yeah
Exactly that's exactly the answer
Anyway, he's about Prague and then wanting to fuck each other's wives because
Well, here's what's interesting and scary at the same time like I do think that that's what he was saying was
I think he was trying to say that the book I don't know

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I got a pdf that I think is the copy of the book that someone sent me
Okay, I think I have it on pdf. I got to read through it. Okay, and see what it says to me. I don't I don't know what it's about
I know that
The book if you look it up
The cover has artwork that was deemed too dark to be released to the public in the 1950s or in the 19

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That's where it gets confusing because in
Pasalka's encounters book she references this Satan book and I believe she says this from the 1800s
But the one I saw online was from like 1950
So I don't know what the answer is. I don't really know. I got to talk to her
And either way the point is is that I think he's saying it's like

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look buddy like
If we want to get answers we've got to get over our
Hangups with the occult
Interesting like he's not gonna be able to sit there and be like
Yeah, Satan's the answer and I don't think he means that I don't think he worships the devil by any means but
I think he's saying it's like if we want answers like we're gonna have to look at some dark places that

(01:21:03):
Most people can't handle
And he's absolutely right answers to what
To the making contact with these entities and what they mean and what they want that. Why do we want to do that?
He's just he's just saying if you want to know
You're gonna have to look into some dark territories
You want to know what those lights are in the sky?

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Maybe you got to start reading books about Satan
Maybe and and and the reality is that most people can't handle that or don't want that
No, I think that sounds scary
Exactly and that's his point and that's why he can't say it out loud
He said if you want to know what's really going on. I don't know what he did

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I don't know interesting, but what's really interesting is that
The
So that whole story about the swapping wives okay
This they do it yeah, they did it and it totally fucks it up because Edward Kelly was like the bad boy

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Okay, he was okay and John D was kind of a square pants
And Edward Kelly was like he's reading in the sear stone. He's like hey John guess what they want us to swap wives and John's like
Really? He's like I'm not doing that freaky shit. And then he's like come on baby. Let's just try it
The
Angels wanted okay, so they reluctantly do it well John reluctantly does it Edward Kelly's knocking down John Mrs. D

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Yeah, he's about it John D can't get it up because he's a cook
Then is that true?
I think so why do you say that is it because because John D didn't seal the deal so no John D
Wouldn't have sex with his wife
John D either had a hard time
We couldn't get it up something happened that he wasn't able to complete this ritual

(01:22:53):
Some something happened with John D that he was unable to complete right so they didn't actually fulfill the desires of this angel
okay
And they talk about it in
This ultra dense book by Jason Louve
I don't know see it on John D and the Empire of the Angels. Do you have it? Yeah, it's right there

(01:23:17):
You probably can't see it. It's behind that massive binder anyway
And it's in a chapter called I am the daughter of fortitude and
It says that I got the notes right here says that during a ritual
apparently in Prague I didn't
Piece that together at all before this conversation. Okay, wasn't Diana Pusolko

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Kind of like kicking back and forth an idea of writing a book about John D. Yes
Interesting and then she didn't and I don't know why she didn't okay
Oh, this feels juicy. She told me she's writing a new book right now. I'm not at liberty. Just talk about what it is
But it's certainly up my alley. Oh, okay

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Okay, so in the book the John D book it says during a ritual an angel voice of Zebola Zebio
I don't know how to say it. Okay
What's talking to them? It was like all these people are worshiping all these material wealth things instead of the riches that God has given them
This is John D saying this yeah, okay, John D says because John D

(01:24:23):
Worshiping all this bullshit. Oh John D saying that this entity is telling them this message. Oh, okay
The entity is saying you guys are worshiping bullshit. You're worshiping riches right and stuff on this planet right?
Okay, I don't know how much I don't think that really means much so
Because then another spirit named Medimi comes through
Okay, and this Medimi was horny. Okay, you say you guys need to swap those wise

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And it plays on the previous
Thing and was like look these angelic commandments supersede the material world and these scriptural laws because at the time
John D was like we can't do that like that's against the rules of the king or whatever you can't
Fornicate with someone else's wife. Oh, it's adultery right okay and

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Medimi was like no baby is cool like these are angelic commandments. This isn't of the world
okay, and
He's like a cyclone god told Abraham to shank Isaac okay like you know I supposed to murder but god told you to do it so do it
And John D he was like kind of tripping on it and like I said you know

(01:25:34):
um
Because John D thought maybe that they were actually
Talking to demons at this point. Yeah, I don't know about this shit. I think this might be demonic
But ever Kelly he's a bad boy. He was like no, no, no, no, let's do it. Let's try this
so
The promise being that if they do swap

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It would and this is where you'd have to talk to an expert on this okay my interpretation of it was
They believed that if they swapped wives it would reconcile these two people as one being John D and Edward Kelly would
Unify as one entity
Well, what that means I don't fucking know

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It would unify them and it would complete the final stages of the apocalypse
To initiate the end times because they were trying to bring about the end times why who fucking knows nobody knows because they're these people are weird
Okay, so they proceed to do it
What the fuck

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John D couldn't bang Edward's wife so I want to know what she ugly
Why couldn't he was he nervous or was he like I don't want to bring about the end times we that we
I that's where you to talk to someone who smarter than me on the subject
interesting, so they do it
John D can't get it done and where Kelly does and the next day

(01:26:57):
I recall he gets a vision of a man on a white horse with a fiery spirit and he was like all it worked
Here comes the apocalypse here comes the anti-Christ and
And then the horror of Babylon appeared to him and says I am the daughter of fortitude
And this daughter of fortitude this vision the horror of Babylon
is in fact the same exact spirit

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From the Alistair Crowley Jack Parsons rituals of the horror of Babylon
Because they used the same in no key in language that John D derived
Okay, okay
So it's all connected in the sense that um
The sex magic rituals John D alchemy all this stuff is connected

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You know and and Jack Parsons was in the UFOs too. It said if UFOs were the symbol of
Crowley anity the new the new age that Alistair Crowley brought in
It's about the end of the world. It's about UFOs. It's about sex magic
It's about all those things and we want this why who knows? I don't know or fucking technology

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What are we talking about? It's the tale is old as time. It's the Promethean fire
We want the technology from these alien gods and they're like well you can have it but
What do you undo it it you're gonna end up killing yourself you're gonna end up dying
But we can't resist it's just too good

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So that's my take on what he was saying about that
Now I've got one is a little more longer okay go for the other question all right
Where he talks about the first 20 pages okay, okay
This is okay, so let me explain what happened there
Because he's really it was really interested in talking about this and unfortunately for me I was like

(01:28:53):
You didn't know I don't know what you're talking about I mean the book is
500 and what is this 550 pages? Yeah, it's a big book
And these are these are long these are big pages with small words
Not an easy simple read and I was like, oh, I don't remember that at all. I couldn't retrieve shit
Okay, damn it. I want to read this after we get done

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But in the first 20 pages he talks about an event that happens in
Lancaster, California, okay, which I thought was interesting because I'm from Lancaster, PA
And this is in
March of 2010
Okay, March of 2010. Yep, okay, so right where his it's the first chapter of the first book or the first yeah the first chapter of this book

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Okay, the first journal entry
Which by the way he has
Listen to this
His fur let me pull it up his introduction has a nice little quote
It's from David Bowie
Oh, gotta love that maybe he's a twin piece guy. I don't know. Oh, you love that. Love me some David Bowie and me some

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Oh, you gotta get the book
Read it to us. All right, it says
I gazing defeat at the stars in the night the light in my life burnt away
There will be no tomorrow then you sigh in your sleep and
Meaning returns with the day from David Bowie. How does the grass grow 2013? I don't know what that means okay

(01:30:26):
Fucking artsy types. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Okay, so I reread it
Mm-hmm and what he talks about there's a very specific UFO sighting in
2010 that gets dismissed by the local authorities all right
And this is and it gets kind of weird okay, so

(01:30:49):
He says that this is my summation of it this guy named
It's spelled S-A-E-L
Sale I guess
This guy named sale
Had told him this story about 1979
Later corrected in 1975

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What okay doesn't doesn't really matter sale says I want to tell you about this alien thing in
1979 oh, I'm sorry wasn't 79 it was 75 correct got it so sale tells him he's like
So my brother
Sales sales brother was living in the foothills of a place called the three sisters butes and

(01:31:35):
With this for UFOs in the Mojave desert. Oh, okay California. Yeah, got it. He says yeah
My brother was at the three living well that's right because they're in Lancaster, California. Yeah got it
Okay, I'm sorry or landcasters the dickhead say I'm a west coast. Okay, so should be Lancaster but hey whatever not not my Lancaster

(01:31:55):
but the
Okay, so his brother is living in the three sisters butes area sees some for UFOs. Okay, and
I'm gonna read you a paragraph from Valais book he says
Anticipating my hasty guess that the objects might be devices from Edwards Air Force Base, which is right there, you know

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Sale had added
Quote they were they were clearly ships not just in distinct lights in the distance
The four of them began shooting beams of light at each other
When a ship would be hit by a beam it would vanish
The witnesses thought they witnessed a battle in which crafts were being destroyed

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But the vanish ship would reappear and the same pattern would repeat
Somewhere in the distance they saw a small truck drive up a hill
One ship shot a beam of light at the truck the witnesses heard an explosion
So he's saying basically there was this UFO battle and they blew up a truck

(01:33:01):
In the midst of this battle okay
And in the 1975 yeah, okay, that is insane. Okay
At Edwards Air Force Base well in
In the three sisters butes area of the Mojave Desert out near Edwards Air Force Base
Okay, which is why Jacques was like it's probably just Edwards Air Force Base test craft or something right okay

(01:33:25):
Which is what I would think too maybe
Then later
Later he talks more about sale and he says
As a child his brother recalls a typical abduction experience
Lying on a table with mechanical grays around of gray aliens right
Mechanical grays around him why is he called mechanical grays? I don't know

(01:33:47):
The family has a history of striking encounters going back to 1934
When sales father met a stranger dressed in working man's clothes while on a train going to Bakersfield
He told the elder mr. sale that humanity had to change or millions would soon die
That was the time of

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Collectivization in the USSR
Millions did die and of course the Nazis came to power in Germany and slaughtered more millions
In 1970 sale and his siblings were in Modesto, California when they saw a figure of a man with a long beard
All four had different reactions
His sister who was about two has no recollection of it

(01:34:30):
Philip has nightmares for him the experience was negative involving a pursuit of some kind
Sale recalls a Germanic accent something about the secret of the way which was meaningless to him
I'll come back to that okay the third brother only recalls that the man stared into his eyes

(01:34:53):
He got the message that this world was not the real world. There's another unseen world
By 1975 the family had moved to a farmhouse in the desert near Palmdale Boulevard
Where sale had a vision
preceded by an ecstatic feeling
He attributes his gifts to this contact

(01:35:14):
Especially his facility with physics and music
The green man is majestic he tells me reminding him of the gin of the Arabs
And nothing the first 20 pages of the book yeah, he's telling the story about this guy named sale
Who claims he witnessed all this crazy shit okay

(01:35:35):
and
This
I presume that they're trying to say that this thing was an entity this thing with the beard
This guy with the beard and he and he recalls the Germanic accent saying something about the secret of the way
Okay, what's interesting is that
Alistair Crowley in 1917
Did a ritual to contact the first gray alien called lamb L.A.M. Mm-hmm and L.A.M. means the path or the way

(01:36:02):
Oh, okay wait
You said I think they're connected to the website
The you think that the guy that's telling them about the way
Is an entity and it's the state in 1975 uh-huh is the same entity that Alistair Crowley

(01:36:27):
had
What did he do channeled channeled uh-huh because lamb
What so okay?
But he was a physical manifestation and when Alistair Crowley manifested him

(01:36:47):
It was what like just an odd no one really knows Crowley drew an image of lamb
It but it was a gray alien yeah, it was a gray and this guy has like a fucking beard and shit
Yeah, maybe it's in disguise. I don't know
It's got to edger suit on but it's yeah, but it's interesting because
John D
Builds the inokian language to contact entities

(01:37:09):
Alistair Crowley uses that inokian language to contact lamb
Okay, Jack Parsons uses that inokian language to contact the horror Babylon
And now this guy sees a guy who says something about the secret of the way
And what's interesting is that after Crowley died there was a cult of lamb

(01:37:30):
And they tried to continue to make contact with lamb they thought it was actually the name of a whole race of beings
Not just one entity. Okay. They thought lamb was a term that meant
O'race of aliens and they were doing that in the 70s channeling trying to channel this lamb
Weird okay, so anyway

(01:37:52):
There's more. I'm not even done there. We're gonna keep going so he says
And this is a different page now we're kind of on page that was page 14 that I just read you from now we're on page 20
And then they call Christ the Lamb of God
Yeah, well, you know, it's LAMB. What is this LAM?

(01:38:13):
Oh, not lamb
Correct. Yeah, it's not like LAM and I think it's a
Buddhist spelling or not a Buddhist like a Hindu spelling or something. I don't know. Okay
So okay in the book he says Mr. Sale came over for breakfast with the news that he had found that the date he had given me for the setting in Palmdale was wrong

(01:38:36):
The incident happened in 1975 the same year when he saw the green man in the mist
Resetting the incident in time brings up an interesting coincidence because the only similar case I ever heard of was in the same area
I'd made a note of it and published it in the second volume of forbidden science

(01:38:57):
Under the date of February 23rd 1976
That story goes like this
When I had met Jim Irish the Hollywood expert hired by NSA to track UFOs
I'd asked why he quit
He said
One day in the desert near barsto there had been sightings

(01:39:19):
The team we sent never came back
We found two bodies reduced to ashes near a burnt out car
Two guys from our group one of them a close friend of mine
The report said they had burned it death because the car had a gasoline leak
And they lit up a cigarette
But in this business you just don't smoke on the job

(01:39:39):
Barsto is just to the east of Antelope Valley and the date places the two incidents in the same period
Sale was struck by the confirmation
So what he's saying yeah is that these two events are the same event
Right these are two on the same the same week or was

(01:40:04):
Well um he thinks maybe the the I presume that he's saying that the year
Might just be off a little bit
75 or 76 because originally sales said that happened at 79 but then he came back so wait a minute
No, I think it was 1975 and he was a kid yeah and jock valet is like that's weird because I've almost the same story told in 1976

(01:40:27):
That I wrote about and forbidden science - I wrote about this in his
Diary yeah before he was publishing these books or was he publishing these books at that time?
No, I don't really know okay, so he said I've got the same story of this guy who was hired by L.A. to investigate aliens
And he quit and he's like why'd you quit?

(01:40:49):
And that's when he said all of that yes, and now he's saying I wonder if it's lamb
or anything no he's just he's just saying that you've basically got two independent accounts of
This idea that there was a UFO battle and the UFO battle blew up a vehicle. Oh, he's saying that's the vehicle. Yes

(01:41:11):
So you got two independent accounts and he was like holy shit. I wrote about this story and his buddy was in ashes. Yeah
Oh
Which is kind of insane right?
Okay, so sales said him and his friend
in 75 watched

(01:41:34):
Four craft shooting laser beams at each other and they would disappear and whatever and then he saw
a somebody one of the craft hit a truck that was heading up towards it with a laser beam. Yeah, and it blew him up
He says I quit because I found my body my buddy

(01:41:54):
In ashes and they tried to get gas like me and say it was because he lit a cigarette in the car
And I must have a ghastly can it blew up the whole car and the guy was like dude nobody smokes on the job here. Nobody would do that
Holy shit
Yeah, okay, very interesting so okay
Um

(01:42:15):
I think it's interesting because when dr. Valle was talking to me about this
When he was talking about these first this whole situation. I didn't understand it at first because I was like fuck
I don't really know what he's talking about. Yeah
But he said it at the same time
Then he was telling me he's like yeah, no one's no one does as talk to me about Zia cult like you Isaac and I uh

(01:42:42):
Huh
So I I'm taking not only did I connect those dots. I got more. Okay, listen to this. This is how I think I think this is interesting too
If you recall this story came from Lancaster, California with a guy who said his brother
lived at the three sister's buttes. That's where he saw this UFO battle from the three sister's buttes

(01:43:08):
Now Lancaster is out in the same Mojave desert where Jack Parsons
Had done the battle on working rituals the sex magic rituals making up
Ron hover watch him jack off. Yeah, right and Jack Parsons he did these rituals over several months
This wasn't just like a one time and done. This was like several months several different locations and things right some of it happened at

(01:43:31):
The parsing edge that mansion he lived in in Pasadena. Yeah
I would say we didn't stop that show. I know it was too it was just too good
Yeah, they should have kept him young and if people don't know what we're talking about there was a show called strange angel about the life and times of jack Parsons
Yes, there was two seasons I think or one season I thought one

(01:43:51):
We did a full analysis
What was it on? It was crazy. It was on Paramount. It was very good. Yeah, it was really good
Yeah, they cut it at the end of the the first season or whatever when he met meets Elron Huppet
I was like damn this is where the good part happens. Okay

(01:44:11):
So anyway
Anyway, so as you know jack Parsons he's doing this babelon
Working ritual out in Pasadena in various undisclosed locations in the Mojave desert
And then Lancaster has as we already mentioned has Edward Air Force Base. It's near Palmdale
And there's a bunch of craft that people see out there because it's also where Lockheed Martin's secret little laboratory called skunk works is

(01:44:38):
Okay
There's tons of blackout projects out there and so on right
Now when I read that the three sisters buttes on the Mojave there
I thought of the geography of a man named James Shelby Downard
who was kind of like one of the
I don't know one of the first big conspiracy theorists ever and

(01:45:03):
he
had
written an essay called king kill 33
and the whole essay was this
Idea he had about how JFK got assassinated as an occult ritual
For the he calls him like the cryptocracy of Freemasons
He says what they were doing was this killing of the king ritual that goes back to these ancient mystery religions and ritual magic and all this

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Occult stuff that they're into and at the time people were like you're fucking crazy bro
What are you talking about?
But today it's like no this is clearly a thing and the whole idea was that
They wanted to kill the king JFK
publicly on TV as a mass
traumatic ritual because through mass trauma

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They know they can implement transformation of society
It's a bit of a
psychological dominance tool
Kind of like 9/11 right yeah
And it's all about establishing a new world order and having a technocracy
Create a control system of technology and mass media and he talks about how

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You know media and movies and film is all a form of spellcasting
You know, it's all very familiar ideas
And then Michael Hoffman going to expand on these ideas of the technocracy with using sorcery science and symbolism
And so on and the rest is history as they would say
And what's interesting is that Hoffman's secret societies and psychological warfare book

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was
elaborating on these ideas talking about technology
pop culture and the media
magically influencing us under the control of this cryptocracy so stuff big events like the JFK assassination Charles Manson
Columbine
That that recent shooting of the ear incident

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These are all events coordinated and orchestrated to transform
and influence
mass consciousness of the humans the sheep
Which is how the Freemasons view us right? That's why supposedly why
The word apron with sheep's wool. It's because they believe they have a place to

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Control and steer society. We're just the sheep here to go for the ride. Okay
Which I don't disagree with I think most people are like that. Yeah, they most people just look around
They go, yeah, I've got to go to work and then I'm gonna go watch the sports ball and then I'm gonna right
You know, like we don't give a shit about this stuff
so

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So you got to understand a little bit about the King kill 33 to understand where I'm going with this because his old idea was
JFK's assassination was all about
symbolically killing spiritual authority of a king of a president and
It was an alchemical process to alter the mass consciousness as I said

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It's of a bunch of things right and when James Shelby Downard sets up this argument
He discusses the geography of the area being a big component of these rituals
particularly the deserts of the southwest
And he talks about the Hornata del Muerto that is the journey of death

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And the reason why they use the deserts is because these are what they call liminal spaces
It's a it's like an initiatory space
That's why you see deserts in all these movies all the time being an initiatory experience like in the movie Dune
Oh, okay, it's the place for death and rebirth

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It's an alchemical process. That's like in the movie
Oh god, what is that called space balls?
Oh, we're then well star wars right star wars had one space balls. Yeah. Yeah
um
Natural born killers. Yeah, good one. Yeah, within the desert and then the doors

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Was it he in the desert? Oh, was he I don't remember
You should wash that again. Yeah, alchemical were just died
Guess who else isn't that our beloved Dale Cooper
Oh, that's right. He was like part of the band. Yeah. Yes. I love that show. Okay. Yeah, he had a nice touching
What do you call it statement about alchemical?

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Mercedeth he said you'll always be my gym, you know
So
The desert is a ritualistic space
and James Shelby Donard says
That's where this journey starts with the assassination of JFK it starts on the journey of death and
The reason why there's this geographic element to the ritual

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um
Is that why I'll ever all of the
is a suggestion then
Every assassination attempt is a ritual uh-huh. It's a transformation ritual
Go like are they suggesting that even like um

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What's his name
What's the one with the top hat why can't I Lincoln Lincoln yeah, yeah maybe
Was that also one then a suggestion of uh, I've never read that but I mean that would make sense
I guess right it was a pivotal time in American history. We were abolishing slavery
Interesting

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Actually, I do think someone did I'm trying to try to think back in my little rollox and I think someone did talk about that as a ritual because of
um uh
My brain's getting mushy. I know you we're almost done. Okay hang in there we're almost done. So the point being
There's also this concept that

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In GPS coordinates
There's latitude and longitude right and there's this line of latitude the 30-second degree line of latitude
Mm-hmm, and it runs through
Dallas at Deely Plaza where JFK got smoked
Through Alamed Gordo and the journey of death that oh or not a dome-mart marto

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All right, it's on the same longitude line uh-huh same latitude line latitude line naming
and he refers to this as mystical toponomy in the in the essay it's a book but it's an essay I guess
And he's listen to this I'm gonna read you from king kill 33 he says slightly to the north of the town of Columbus

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Are the trace armanas the three sisters mountains
It's approximately 32 miles between damning and Columbus and the three sisters mountains are a minute and some second south of the 32nd degree line
When this line is traced further to the west it's found to pass the ghost town of Shakespeare
At a distance south of the town which is roughly equivalent to the distance

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Which the 32nd degree line passes north of the three sisters mountains
The name Shakespeare and the three sisters
Find their connection in the tragedy of mechbeth
And what he's saying here
um
Is that
In the book he talks he goes on and on and on about Shakespeare

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And he connects this sort of trail of symbolism with this 32nd degree of latitude and with the idea that this is the Freemasons
Because the Freemasons you can get up to the 32nd degree but then um 33 is technically the highest it's an invitation only thing
Okay
And he connects all these different points that are on the same degree of latitude

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You've got Mason road the trace armanas the three sisters mountains she the ghost town of Shakespeare
Um this idea of mechbeth
mechburd
And lbj
Because the linen and b johnson had gone on a trip to the three sisters mountain range in Utah
Um a place called johnson mountain kennedy mountain ruby road like jack ruby. It's crazy. He's all it's it's it's a wild ride

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Okay
But his point is like this is all on the latitude of 33rd 30
It no not all of that he connects it he kind of maps it out and it would take all day to try to map this side
It's a pure red string map got it okay
And so he's saying there's this sort of trail of symbolism to the the ritual of

(01:53:58):
Of the
Okay
I'm gonna do a show about it. I just gotta find time to do it okay
And
To bring it back to the topic at hand
recall
That this location where this UFO sighting happened was at the three sisters buttes yeah

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Just like the three sisters mountains
So I look it up on google
And it says that the trace armanas buttes
Is exactly on the same line of latitude of the three sisters. Yes. It's at the 32nd degree line
That's fucking weird uh-huh and Lancaster, California is at 34 degrees

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Kind of if you look at the center point
But anyways, my point is this fits in line with all of the Jameshell be downer findings in a way um
You know cuz I meaning the alien space thingy yes
The the fight. Yes, it smoked the guys buddy. Yes
Because that and that whole line it connects through to like Roswell the Trinity site where the atomic bomb

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Happened which by the way
Dr. Jacques Valle wrote the book with pal Harris called Trinity about the first UFO crash in 1945 that happened right after they did the atomic test
I'm it's all connected but yeah that 32nd degree of latitude line runs through um
Yeah, white sands new mexico the Trinity site dals Texas where they smoked JFK San Diego, Egypt, Jerusalem, Baghdad

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Iran all kinds of places
So in conclusion i think
dr. Valle is referencing
An occult connection here of Lancaster with the mojave desert and the tracer monis
The three sisters buttes and I I believe that's connected into the synchro mysticism of James shall we downer possibly

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This okay
The synchro mysticism of James what do you fucking what are you saying James shall we downer? He's the guy who wrote king kill 33
Okay, so okay like the 60s. Okay, so he so you're saying
That's all connected to the king kill yeah, sat the sacrifice or whatever the fuck yeah, that's your saying yeah

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I think we're dealing with
multiple aspects of occult
unseen esoteric forces and
the the Freemason Illuminati cryptocracy they understand it they're employing these measures they're doing it they're doing it they're using it
And the rest of us are sitting here like how the fuck is happening and they know what's happening they're using these measures but then

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You got all of us are sitting here and are like well don't talk to the devil that's scary
Yeah, and I don't I'm not saying one's right or wrong
I'm just saying that I think dr. Jock while I understand all this he's watching it and he's watching it and he's too much of a intellect
He's just like hey because the whole interview he's saying look if you understand the phenomenon and all of this weird stuff happening the aliens when he says

(01:57:12):
Aliens okay, uh-huh like you need to go back in history and see what we missed and what we said was too radical and too weird and too unconventional that's alchemy in the occult
And I don't know that he's pro or anti occult. I think he's just pure science and he's just saying look if you want to understand it
Read this book about Satan

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You know
You want to understand it but read about alchemy read about John D. Annalyster Crowley and Jack Parsons and Peter Leventon knows
And that's what I've been saying basically. I'm confirming all of my suspicions. I've been right the whole time
There's someone a lot smarter than me proving that I'm right
That's what I'm trying to say

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Okay, and I'm exhausted
Jesus
What do you think you a believer or I mean I don't know is it?
Am I a believer a believer of what that that is fucking nuts
It's pretty nutty
My a believer
Do I believe the Jacques Felle said all of these things or do I believe what that they're connected or do you believe that

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There is something to the occult that's very much
The most arguably the most powerful force in the world that we're not we don't even understand
I believe it. I feel like
Our world doesn't make sense to most of us and it feels hurtful and malicious and manipulative

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On a regular basis
That everybody looks at it and we're like this is crazy
Why are we doing this?
And there's all of these weird excuses of
Like motivation
and

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This is a reason as to why it feels like that
For all of us. So do I believe it? I see it right like everybody sees it everybody sees and fills and looks at this and says
Why the fuck are we doing this to each other? Why are we so
disconnected? Why are we in so much pain? Why is this so hard when it doesn't seem to have to be

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That we have to be disconnected and this much pain and
Yeah, why don't we have why is there so much division and
Why can't we all get on the same page?
I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure if this comes down to a religious spiritual battle and
the

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The the powers that be can't trust us with the truth or that they are worried
That we would understand that we would have more power without because you know the argument against religion is that
People tend to think that if you're religious you

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rely on the priest
Too much to connect you with God which is I don't believe I actually disagree with that whole hardly but a lot of people say a lot of
atheist anti-Christian times will say that they'll be like oh
You can't you can't be in touch with God in your own you have to have a priest you have to go to the church to do that
Right, it's like well, no, that's actually not true at all, but that's what you guys are over simplifying this into right

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And I think it's kind of in that same idea that because like a lot of people who are into like I don't know wicked and stuff like that
They're like no man. I don't need a priest to be the intermediary between me and God and the divine I can do that on my own
and I think
Maybe there's a fear in there that if they if if the president came out and said hey everyone guess what ritual magic is real and you can take

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You can make contact with entities at any time and you know you can practice alchemy and
become immortal if you want
I don't what would that do to society? I don't know can people be
trusted to do this on their own or is that all deception?
Hmm, I think it depends I think it depends on your worldviews to what you want to believe about it

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I just think that Dr. valet being a scientist is saying
We're not going to get any of these answers until we if you want to know the answers of a lot of these things
You've got to look into the occult which a lot of people have condemned
I don't think he's I don't I don't know if he's pro or anti he had said that he at one time was a roger crucian with j alan hynek

(02:01:58):
I don't think he what is any more necessarily. I don't I don't know
That's so many questions I had for him. I wanted to continue on him like I wish I had three hours. Yeah, Joe rogan
Hmm, because I don't know what his like religious belief system is right now or spirituality. I have no idea

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I believe it. Okay good. I think I
Think when things don't make sense. This is
This is an interesting answer to
Well, this is why it doesn't make sense

(02:02:39):
Right
It's like part of the circus
Yeah, and maybe there's maybe there's like a profit motive for them to just keep us spinning our wheels or confused or
Yeah, what's the fucking endgame man? Because if you know anything about sales and marketing there's a
There's an aspect of trying to keep us scared right yes like that is you can make money off of scaring people

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So if you take that out if you make people not scared of things
Maybe that cuts into someone's profit and they're like no, we don't want them to
Not be scared. Well, what's his name? What's that guy's name that
Was on the shockrisher Dave
David ike David ike
David ike says they feed off of the fear
Yeah, totally yeah

(02:03:28):
Hmm
That's fucking scary
Cool
So we're just gonna try for the end of the end times for forever until it fucking tell some jackass does it yeah
And it cool

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What the fuck
I'd love to know what I felt like I feel like there's a piece that's missing
There you think yeah, I'm missing a corner piece because I'm like why the fuck would you want to do that
The end of the world stuff yeah, why what would you get out of that now we're all dead what the fuck world jack Parsons looked at it as
Not the apop firey apocalypse or the end of the world he looked at it as the end of the end of a current age

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And bringing about the new aid the new one which is a age of allister Crowley a out of Horus
He's a piece of shit. Why do we want to be that though exactly he was a piece of shit
But think about all of the power moves made by politicians and the elites
They all believe in cycles of man. They think that oh we're going into the golden age now everybody take a look

(02:04:40):
They're saying that right say that wild Trump is saying they all say it out loud that they oh
We want to go into the golden age called the great reset called the cally you whatever you want to call it
They all believe that there's these cycles of mankind and they're gonna be the ones to bring about the new one and it's like
Okay, dude, whatever you say
Hmm
Well, that's all I got well that's fucking nuts pretty nutty

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I'll also put a link in the show notes for two relevant breaking social norms episodes you can check out one is from
June of 24 we did a show where
It was called what is alchemy the alien origins of thoth emerald tablets call young synchromysticism and more

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Jack Parsons part one where we talk about strange angel and a cult rituals and stuff
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