Isaac's Apology Tour, Diddy Trial Conclusion, Love Island Cancel Culture & Texas Flood Conspiracies

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You won't want to miss today's episode because we're getting a rare visit to Isaac's apology tour for his atrocious sexism

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Did he's insane trial conclusion love Island cancel culture and conspiracies about this flood in Texas
It's a hot fourth of July it's about to be a scorcher so strap on your speedos grab that baby oil. We're going
I guess in hindsight baby oil wasn't the right term to use there
Is I think it was perfect. I met like 80s wrestling baby oil with a speedo, but then I was like wait a minute

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The city or Sun oil did he he's ruined it. Did he ruin baby oil
Which to just be
Honest man on man action oiling up the muscles. Yeah
And then we're also going to do the patreon tier two shout outs for July. So stay tuned for that all right

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Uh, where should we start
You got any hot burning
Housekeeping or something
Well, let's start with ditty and then we'll do Isaac's apology tour. It's usually not me and the hot seat

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I know it's usually you
I guess it's my turn. I guess we all get a turn in it. You up the fucking fam family ties piano
So I can learn my lesson
Okay, so let's yeah, let's talk about ditty because that is why we have to talk about the next subject

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ditty
We've been covering weekly
and
What we did five episodes on it catching everyone up with exactly what was being said and the angles being presented
and
Just like we predicted on this show last week
He got a slap on the wrist. Yeah

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Big fat nothing burger. Mm-hmm
And the guardian posted it already you from them just to keep the legalities
appropriate
The fountain guilty on two of five counts as lawyers called the verdict a great victory
The mix of erotic saw combs being found not guilty of the biggest

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charge racketeering conspiracy
Not guilty of the sex trafficking of Cassandra Ventura or the sex trafficking of Jane
and guilty of both the transportation
to engage in prostitution
related to Cassandra Ventura and transportation to engage in prostitution related to Jane

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I don't why they write words. They write sentences so confusing when it comes to the law
I think it's to keep stupid people like not know what's going on not understanding. Yeah
The verdict was delivered Wednesday morning after 13 hours across three days of deliberation by a jury composed of eight men and four women
After the verdict came down combs knelt down in front of his chair and appeared to pray

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He then he's definitely a godly man definitely. I mean come on
When I think of a religious man, it's definitely diddy for sure. Yeah
He then faced the gallery and clapped
Which led to the gallery responding with claps and cheers
Okay, which is okay insane

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lawyers asked for bail
Judges is now playboy
Uh saying that he had demonstrated a disregard for the rule of law and propensity of violence
They're proposing the sentence in seeing date on October 3rd
He their judges receptive to moving that up because
Diddy has been in jail since September 24 and he's going to remain there until the sentencing

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So the what was the date is the sentencing? That seems like a long time. October 3rd. Oh okay
And he's getting time served yeah, I think so
I think he gets probation or something stupid. Yeah
It says that he could be
Because originally if they would have got him on the rack of tearing
He was looking at up to life in prison

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But now he's looking at a maximum of 10 years for each of the two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution
So maximum 20 what's he getting?
Time served I know I ain't getting shit
Combs lawyers say that under the federal sentencing guidelines he would likely face about two years in prison
So yeah, he's already he'll have one year in in September

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Do six more months
Three out out in three for the behavior. Yeah, that's what I think I was like he's not he's not staying in there
They're like let's keep him behind for just one more news cycle so something else crazy can happen so that when he gets out in three months people are distracted and
Whatever
Cuz like sex crimes they don't give a fuck about they do not care

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You mean the the prostitution across state lines charges that he's got that if you got found guilty on or what just sex crimes in general like molestation
Oh right and rape and any of that it just is literally it's just a fucking
I mean it seems like in the eyes of the law

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It's a
Not a big deal
Yeah, and it seems like it's one of the things that people beat their chest the most about but the law is the least gets done about it. Yes exactly
So I imagine he'll be out by new years. So first day out rap coming soon featuring Kanye West. I predict this featuring Kanye West

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Only moron dumb enough to stay hitch to the ditty wagon
You think he's done though
I
Think he's I think he's gonna be kind of a black cloud like he's I think in no one's listening to him any way to begin with
I don't think yeah, but whatever pool he did have is gone. I would think so life of obscurity

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You know, yeah, hopefully
I hope that man is never comfortable another day in his life
You know like you can be out because nobody gets a shit
I think the fact that he clapped speaks volumes. Yeah, that he
Feels emboldened. Yeah, so get ready for more of this to happen. Okay. Yeah, but

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Okay, go ahead. So speaking of
Dumb morons. Let's talk about me
You gotta do more on I'm an idiot
I'll go go I sell on the sell
I
Got a lot of negative feedback from a lot of people from the last episode. Yes

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In hindsight, I see why that happened when it first happened I say what
And you just think I'm woke. I thought you were too woke
So kind of woke ass shit is this you got your people coming at me
Um

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How should we do this so
So okay, so what happens is you get several comments here and everywhere. I got a couple comments
Of people saying that I was victim blaming mm-hmm because on the last episode
We had concluded all of the testimony and we were talking about the strategies of the prosecution and the defense mm-hmm and I

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In my head thought
Because people have to understand something here
When you're doing podcasts you are performing in a way mm-hmm and we have to keep this entertaining and lively
right
And we free style free flow a lot of conversation and sometimes you make a misstep

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What happened was I thought because what happened because with our show it's generally me presenting conspiracy ideas
You pushing back against them right whether or not you believe in them or not sometimes you
Like if I talk about the moon landing being fake you actually agree with me
But for the sake of the show and entertainment and discussion and learning you'll say

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Well, why do you believe that well, let's and you'll try to poke holes in the conversation a little bit of a debate sometimes
Yeah, well because it's not an interesting show
If me and you sit here and agree with each other
All the whole time right what's interesting about that and that's why I used to love about Joe Rogan because he used to push
back on a lot of people. I imagine he still does
But it's out an interesting conversation. Yeah

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And I took on the role foolishly
of
suggest and and
And look I'm gonna run through what chat GPT said about this show. Oh, okay
Because I'm trying to do a couple things here one. I'm doing a little damage control. Okay, because I love women
And somehow I think you truly love women. Yes, and somehow I'm

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I screwed up and it sounds like I presented a
Message that
Isn't what I believe in
But I thought what I was doing was saying hey, I'm more did he's gonna get a slap on the wrist here because I think the defense
It has a pretty good argument of and I'm talking about strictly from the world of the legal realm. Okay, which I thought I said all this

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20 times and and it's like I can only
This is the problem with like woke leftist culture stuff like I can only say it so many times before you guys are listening and rolling your eyes like okay
Dude, we get it just say the fucking thing. Yeah, but
When people get like well, I won't even say people when I
When I get you say something that floods me with emotion. Yeah, I can't hear

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I can't hear I can't hear your nuance of your words and what you're trying to say because my
Voices of
Fuck you are so loud in my head that I can't calm them down enough to be present to hear your side of the argument and
You have to understand that the truth of this matter is

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Is nobody gives a shit about this stuff? It nobody gives a shit about it in the
legal system
People that are defending the perpetrators don't give a shit about it like you know what I mean
So already people are
sensitive to it because

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We've had decades
Of conversation with your point of view and and
Me being a male
Um
It probably
I don't know what feels like I'm just filing onto this. I don't yeah. Yeah, it's reminiscent. Okay. All right. That's fair

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I thought
Because
Because he wasn't up and I was speaking strictly from a legal standpoint. I'm saying strictly from a legal standpoint
If the defense like they're not they're not trying to prosecute him on domestic violence. Yeah

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At all which is crazy because he's literally on tape doing it. Yeah
And they were trying to prosecute him on racketeering and having this big conspiracy of paying prostitutes and there was no
um
What was it let me go back to the court thing here? It's uh
They okay, so they were saying that they were trying to get him for sex trafficking of Cassie and Jane the anonymous person

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And my thing I said was the defense is capitalizing on these statements and text messages made by Cassie and Jane
Yeah of saying stuff like I love you, Diddy. I love freakoffs. I can't wait for the next freak off. You're right. Which
If I don't put on my thinking cap

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I would I could say well gosh, I don't know how she really feels about Diddy
She's saying this what and now she's standing here in the courtroom telling me she was abused into saying these things
And it's confusing for like
People who maybe don't have a ton of therapy and stuff
It's confusing me and you have had tons of therapy. Yeah, it's confusing for us. Right and I'm trying and I was trying to represent the sort of

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I was trying to represent for the people who
Still hold on to that sort of you know viewpoint
To sort of defend them to say like look this isn't a simple thing
This isn't an easy understanding
Because you do read the text and say well, I don't know it seems like she was into it. She's literally saying it

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Right and it and it's there's a lot of nuance there that I don't know that they went through in the court or not
Because I didn't see that in the in the court transcripts and breakdowns of what happened
I didn't see them call up and maybe they did and I just didn't see it, you know
Yeah, maybe they did and I just didn't catch it of pulling a therapist up to say like no
The reason Cassie said she loves this and she can't wait for it and she's planning it and she's setting up the room for it and blah blah blah blah blah

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Is because she has been a victim of this MK ultra type mind control programming. Sure
Right, which is what I believe actually happens. I do believe that right and I don't I'm not smart enough to explain why that happens but
The thing they really zoomed it out someone said something about the one that got me really deep in the heart was like

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someone compared
My ignorance of this to twin peaks and I said
Because that's a twin peaks is a story about women being abused right yeah and I said oh that hurts and that was the one that I was like
Okay, I gotta address this like yeah, this is getting out of hand. What the hell happened right?
Um, and then it kind of hit me because I was thinking about it and I thought

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Okay, I kind of get this it's almost like the message I sent out was as if I was saying
if a woman
girlfriend wife is in a
relationship and is
Has domestic violence done to her and she keeps going back to him. It's almost like me victim blaming be like well

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Then why did you keep going back?
But I mean that is a thought and that's the first reaction people will have is
That is kind of crazy
But the fact of the matter is like these people are traumatized and they don't their brains aren't thinking correctly, right?
It's not an easy answer and it's not simple and and
When the reality it's like the male that's abusing her like that's the the criminal here quit dragging the woman into this you know

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Right, and I was like okay, I get that so I'm kind of like taking that angle there when I'm saying this stuff
Well because the conversation only goes there
Right, we have to continue is why do men and this is what I'm always saying is like
Why are men like this right? Why does this turn you on why does women

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Who don't want these things
Why does that not matter? I don't want to fuck people or do things that
The other person is not into but that does not slow men down
Why right yeah, I know I know I think that that's an interesting conversation that never gets had

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Is we could sit here and look at the victim and be like why the fuck did she go back?
Why is she still sending birthday cards and Christmas cards right right why are we doing all of that and that's those are valid
That's a valid argument that's a valid I thought it was a valid question to discuss it is because there's a for for the handful not handful for the

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However many people listening that were like
Well, Isaac what the fuck you doing man? You're like siding with the victim blaming and all this stuff
I guarantee there's one to two times as many people out there that are like
Yeah, I don't get that either why would she go back to him and say shit so it's like I was trying to play that role of
We need to talk about this because this isn't a straightforward thing and I need right we you know and that's the truth is that's the truth

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That isn't that shouldn't be off limits having those questions and having that conversation that nuance conversation
Shouldn't be something that we should that has to be so taboo that it can't be have a conversation around
and the conversation should be or with
What happens when you have actual trauma right right right we don't know that we're not therapists

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And I've never been traumatized like that so I don't know that and the people that question
He's probably in the same same position. They're like I don't know anyone who's gone through this
I don't know how people are reactive but
If we continue that conversation we can we this it can't end there
The next part of that conversation is what the fuck is wrong with men

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And I get held you know you get a couple comments talking about how you are sexist and whatever
I get probably three times the amount of conversation or of comments saying
Joseph's a manhater right
When all I'm doing is saying what the fuck is wrong with you guys wash your buttholes and your

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Penises and stop raping people
We may want to fuck you you don't have to be disgusting
It's bizarre
But I still even when I sit there and say how much I love men
I could say it three times over and the conversation will always go back to why do you hate guys so much right right right
I'm like what the fuck are you talking about I listen to horny books all day long and every time I'm I'm not reading

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Lesbian horny books
I'm reading fairy
Farries with 20 inch dicks
And dragons and all of that shit
Male dragons male dragons I'm reading for skin
And what's the one thing called there's I was reading

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Eyes plan up our barriens and
They have and that one's real fun
And they have a barb they have a barb on their
12-inch weener. Oh no it locks in and they have a vibrator on their base
So it sounds fine. Wow
Anywho I'm I love men

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Men to me they're on spryering like the their hand-eye coordination
Really I really really love masculinity. I am
Nothing but a cheerleader nobody fucking hears it
Yeah, that's fair. No nobody hears it because all I say is quit fucking raping people and wash

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Quit being weird
The fuck is wrong with you, but they can't hear anything pass that
So it's just a weird thing
I follow a lady on tiktok she interviews men and says why are you like this?
It's the funniest shit ever and they're like that. They're creepy as fuck. Yeah, it'll be some dude who's like in his 50s
Not a shame. He's like I only date

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Young girls that are under 25. I'm like oh boy. Why what do you have in common with that?
And it's maybe it's not even true. Maybe they think that that's just a thing you're supposed to say or maybe
Yeah, maybe they think they're cool as if they could do that. Yeah, and it's like you know you ain't picking up no
25 year and there's something with men that you
Get yourself worth by well, and maybe not just men. This might be a human thing, but it seems like it's really men

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um
You guys get yourself worth
Specifically out of the type of women you can pull yeah, totally
I agree with that and so you know is it man or just odd? Oh, did you see Charlie's their own
No 49 years old

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dating a 20-six year old sounds great. I don't really give a shit anymore. I listen. I can shit on
I can guarantee that girl doesn't have much in common with him
Did no Charlie's throw on the female actress. Yeah, I know oh the beautiful blonde. Yeah
Anyway, um, okay, so kid bye. I got I have a thing we me and my girlfriend. We're talking about men since we're on that subject

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Why what is it that
men
can't have
intimacy without attaching sexuality to it
Why haven't we taught you that as women or or other men?

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Because I think of it like even in the military where you guys have your abandoned brothers, right?
And what do you guys all start doing?
I don't know what ask grabbing okay, rapy stuff like it's all under jokes, but I think what it is is it's a way of
having this

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Feeling intimate with these people like having an intimate friendship. Yeah, a club you need to be tight with these men because you they're
Your battle buddies, right? Mm-hmm
And you guys are trauma bonded and all of this and you guys cannot
separate sexuality from that and you use you veil it in

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jokes
Like it's you're teasing each other, but it's there
It happens in football
It you know what I mean we're uncomfortable with intimacy is that what you're saying?
I think you know, I don't think you're uncomfortable with it. I think you have a direct line from intimacy in whatever

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capacity of like friendships and stuff like that and it cross wires into sexuality
That you have only have that one neuro pathway
And so when friendships this is why I want I so I follow this one guy who's a therapist on
TikTok and he talks about how straight men will have like to have sex with male bodies

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But they consider themselves I know but they consider themselves to be straight
Okay
Isn't that interesting?
What the fuck and I think what it is is that men
aren't allowed like to women are allowed to sit there and we touch each other and we'll breathe eat like as children

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We'll braid each other's hair and we'll
tickle each other's backs and we'll do facials on each other and we'll do each other's fingernails and toenails and like
This is just part of the way that we interact with each other and it's not sexual
Right. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, but you guys don't ever have that no
And you're uncomfortable even in your friendships

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You know, that's why you're like I love you know homo right
Yeah, I don't know what that is. I don't have any good answers
You can find out. Let me know
Okay
I barely know how to be intimate period, you know, I agree with that and when you do feel intimacy when you feel a close relationship it fucking it sparks

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Feelings like sexual feelings because it's such a it's a it's a deep
We grooved neuro pathway you haven't expanded that feeling of closeness with
That's why people say men can't have a female friendships like a deep because they want to fuck them
Huh, okay, and I think that there's truth in that but I I don't think that that I don't think that it's like you can't ever

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Yeah, I don't think that's a universal thing
No, but I do think that intimacy I get that becomes
It's hard to have a close friendship and not have
Yeah, if you're like a close male friend. I certainly would be keeping an eye on them. That's for sure right
Yeah, I

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Yeah, I got nothing for you there. I couldn't tell you
It's sad
It is sad. I think you got to blame it on it's a mixture of blaming the parents and society probably I would guess
I think it's sad that we don't allow men and I do think that this is also part of like why you guys
You

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Don't have great empathy
You know, yeah totally is it just
Feel sad for you that you have missed out on such a rich way of having relationships. I don't I have nothing to base this on besides
Sexualize everything. I have nothing to base this theory on besides just

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Be soaking in whatever dumb shit the world tells me yeah, but I wonder about something to do with the caveman
Right where it's like the
Right is that how it used to be it's like the women and the kids stayed in the cave and the caveman went out to go
Forage for berries and maybe saw a line and had to kill it and it was like
Yet's in some way disconnect from the feelings of fear and love so that you can just go do what you got to do

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You know what I mean because if you're if you're really in tune to
Like do you think that the cave women just stayed in the cave taking care of the children?
I'm oversimplifying it, but yeah, I don't think so
You I don't think our species would last well, what where did the tradition of the men joining the military versus women come from

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I think this little aren't there battalions of women or like in history. Oh, I guess I mean I don't know
Well like only the men have to put in for the draft right well now right
I don't know yeah, I don't know anything. I'm just I'm freestyle in here. Oh don't let's not do that. Don't burn them. I think you've done enough. I've done enough damage

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But this is something else. I think that people should realize is
Once a crime has been committed
of um
rape
Whatever whatever abuse has happened
everything after that

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is now under scrutiny
and
This is where it gets so tough
Proving a crime is different than being
actually

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Have done the crime okay, do you know I'm trying to say no like
He could have done the crimes. We everybody thinks he did the crimes right yeah, P did he yeah did he did those things everybody thinks he did those things right
I don't think anybody doesn't think he did that to prove that in the court of law without reasonable doubt
All those text messages I as I was saying and turn out to be true 100% yeah is planning reasonable down because because to be fair

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Unless you really proved to me that Cassie wasn't into this. I don't know. I wasn't there right and that sucks
I hate that for her. Yes. I don't not believe her but like
You got to prove that she isn't calculating and trying to fuck him over like I just don't know this woman
I don't know their relationship. I think that she was being abused by him and he's a fucking dickhead

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Yeah, but the the court has to prove that without a reasonable doubt and I
And that's for everybody's safety like honestly that is for everybody's maybe a woman would
Try to fucking get money out of him. I don't fucking know right
Like don't gas like me into being like well that would never happen like it fucking happens sometimes right does happen

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It has to have happened. Yeah, it does happen. I don't know. I'm not there
It happens, but there's a lot of witnesses though that said
Anyway
But that's but then again, that's the domestic violence. I which he wasn't on trial for right
I wish they would have just tried to get him for domestic violence. How many years can you get for that? I don't know

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They would have got him right probably not many to be honest. That's why I was confused by the test
I don't think that there's a whole lot of like I said that I don't think that there's a whole lot of like repercussions for men
For beating the fuck out of women or raping them there. It's just
It's just that's why I mean not to this isn't victim blaming we have to be realistic

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These this is the way it is right now and until we change it do not be the victim
You know, right? We have to it's not is it victim blaming blaming to tell
little girls
that these men are disgusting and
We are working towards getting them to be held accountable in some way

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But until then this is how we have to walk in this world to stay safe
Right because if we had a daughter
I always go back to the Michael Jackson thing when because ever and and I've come around to it where I'm kind of like
Maybe Michael Jackson was in the city was just a weird dude
Like I kind of I've kind of come around to that a little bit more. Okay, but a year ago and plus

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I thought he was guilty. I was like dude. This guy's weird as hell man
And my argument was if you had a I mean in his case is if we had a son that was 12 and Michael Jackson and and it wasn't Michael Jackson
There's some weird dude down the road to add money and an amusement park and it's back yarn he was like hey come let your son sleep in my bed for the weekend
I'm like I'm calling the fucking police dude right you're going to prison and I'm whooping your ass. Yeah

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and
Why is that it's because
There's male predators out there that abuse children and and for that matter women grown women right
um
So like anyway, I'm not sure but but to hear that if we have to just say
While we still have these conversations about why men are doing this and why men feel comfortable doing this and why other men are sitting here making excuses for these men

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We also have to protect
people and be like
While we figure this out let's not get any more victims right right like saying oh that's what I was going with that is like
For the same reason that a parent would never let a 12-year-old daughter go stay in some strange guy's house for the weekend
Why because like men are sketchy dude

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Well, and like people parents don't even let their children have sleepovers anymore. Oh really?
Because so many yeah, it's like one of the highest rates of like having or
You don't know if there's gonna be other
Children that are gonna be there like older children. Oh, yeah, you don't have any control over this situation
And it's generally the boys and men that you're worried about well, it doesn't matter

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It sometimes it could be girls. It doesn't matter if you don't want your child to go through trauma
We don't have to to gender any of this if you don't want your child to go through trauma
We should not we had to be more
Like careful of letting them go into
Sleepovers
Because that's where a lot of trauma happens. That's where a lot of abuse happens

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So now it's like what is that victim blaming is it victim are we victim blaming by making um
Caps that go over cups
At for people to have drinks
Like you know how women have their drinks and campuses is that victim blaming by putting a cap on it? No, we can't we have to keep women safe

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Is it would you say that it's victim blaming if we don't have the
Little strips that you can put into your drinks to double check and make sure you're not getting roofied
Like we have to do these things until we can figure out what the fuck is wrong with men
And unfortunately, this isn't a very easy conversation
Right well, okay, so I ran the trans the whole episode I ran through a transcript for Chad Gbt

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Um, and this isn't a
Me being defensive and being like oh, let me prove that I wasn't wrong
This is I was like okay, I gotta understand because it wasn't just one person that said I was victim blaming and being a fucking dickhead
It's multiple so it's okay clearly. I fucked up somewhere here. How how did I fuck up right and it goes through the transcript of
You know this that and the other but I'm just gonna talk about the relevant parts

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says the host engaged in a deep philosophical and emotional debate about what constitutes coercion and
Sense in abusive relationships whether victims like Cassie or Jane had agency or were manipulated
If the victim bears any responsibility for for participating in or enabling abusive behavior
Which I think that's like probably the thing that I must have put out there that is off-putting yeah

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uh
The blurred lines in relationships when power, fame and dependency are involved
and then uh
so here
Commentary on how abuse becomes normalized within fame and power circles
The importance of sex education and trauma literacy to navigate such murky situations

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Then to talk about the legal strategy and conspiracy the defense strategies presenting text and gifts as evidence that the victims weren't quote-unquote
Real victims. I was like, okay
Did you say that apparently apparently I put a piece of shit. I know apparently I put that out there somehow
Discut oh no, it says it was the defense's strategy. So I don't know if I said that or

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If I presented that or if I was just saying this is what the defense said uh
Um, let's see. This is some of this doesn't really relate
Acknowledgement that these discussions are triggering and divisive speaker a that's me
Expresses conflicting thoughts and self-reflection
Quote I don't want to blame victims, but I also dot dot dot

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Okay, all right chat who's side of you up bitch. Come on
um
Let's see and to be fair. I didn't say this was me so the chat didn't like hold back
I just said there's a transcript of two people speaker a speaker b
Yeah, uh, so speaker a often plays devil's advocate or presents the legal defense side

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Okay, that's fair. That's what I was trying to do. Yeah speaker b that you
pushes back hard
Representing survivor centric views and calling out misogynistic tendencies
Then it says key themes power versus consent victim blaming versus accountability
Mm-hmm blah blah

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And then I said okay, what does speaker a think about the victim blaming versus accountability aspects
And it says speaker a wrestles openly with the tension between victim blaming and accountability
And their position evolve their position evolves sometimes contradictory
Throughout the conversation here's a breakdown of their stance

(35:51):
Speaker a repeat of these states they believe did he is a monster and the women were abused and victims
Yet they also raised questions like quote you knew this was going on. Why didn't you leave earlier
Quote if Cassie said she enjoyed the freakoffs. How do we interpret that?
Speaker a draws comparisons to criminal accomplice laws like first 48 if you're there during your crime you might be charged to

(36:17):
um, yeah
blah blah blah then it drops a quote just to drive the point home
I think their victims for sure
But you should also look into things and be like am I doing this for the right reason?
They emphasize that real abuse is messy and it's hard to draw clean moral or legal lines
And I think that that's actually designed into the abuse by the abusers

(36:42):
No to help them in case anything because these are cunning people right like abusers look for people
That they can get away with their bullshit
Like they specifically look that's like I've never heard women you can't run with your hair in a ponytail
Because it's oh you what

(37:03):
Okay, this again the the victim's shit right
The victim blaming there now women have to be like don't run with your hair in a ponytail
Because they can grab you by your ponytail and get control of you
this
Yeah
Is that wild? Yeah, so you're not supposed to and and uh what is it called uh

(37:27):
perpetrators
Look for the people that are distracted they look for the people that they can get away with it
They're not looking for the strongest
most cunning
opponent they're looking for the person that they can manipulate okay
So like in this case maybe Cassie and Jane showed signs of

(37:49):
Being able to be manipulated because Cassie wasn't
She didn't have a record deal before did he right so he's like okay
I got the people that want to get famous like there's your vulnerability
right
Is it and that's just baked into the abuse system it has to be now here's
A great breakdown from chat the too long didn't read breakdown

(38:11):
And this is where I'm gonna sound defensive
But it's not me saying it's chat because this is this is how I genuinely feel about it and how I
Wish I would have presented which apparently I did not okay
Says speaker a empathizes with victims, but is torn between seeking moral clarity and legal accountability
They present victim blaming arguments mostly to analyze and expose how others might think

(38:36):
But occasionally show real skepticism ultimately they struggle out loud which comes the heart of the episodes emotional and intellectual tension
I said to speaker a blamed diddy's female victims for the abuse they received
Speaker a does not explicitly blame diddy's female victims for the abuse they received

(38:58):
But they do wrestle with the idea of shared accountability in a way that sometimes borders on victim blaming even if unintentionally
Here's a clear breakdown and this is the point I wanted to get to okay
Um
It says what what the speaker a does not say we don't need to go into that sounds too defensive
What they do suggest and struggle with they question why victims like Cassie or Jane continued relationships with diddy

(39:22):
Even after the abuse occurred they bring up text messages and statements from the victims
To ask where they really being co-host or were they enjoying this on some level
They proposed the defense might argue these women were adults who knew what was going on and kept coming back
And they struggle with the idea that if you're an adult and you stick around in an abusive relationship do you bear some responsibility?

(39:47):
Speaker a openly says I don't want to be that asshole guy who blames women. I'm just presenting what a lot of men are probably thinking
They acknowledge this is why women don't come forward because guys like me are sitting here saying well why didn't you leave
They repeat they repeatedly clarify they are trying to process the logic of the defense and not fully endorsing it even though
Some of their doubts seem genuine

(40:10):
And it says final take speaker a does not blame the victims but they do challenge the clean narrative of total victimhood
They raise tough sometimes insensitive questions about consent power and participation
But ultimately lean toward the idea these women were manipulated co-host and caught in a system of abuse. They just don't always express it cleanly
And I think that this is what it's saying what I hear out of that is

(40:34):
Just because you can't prove it legally
Doesn't mean that the abuse wasn't happening
Yeah, that's fair
You know
And I think my learning lesson
Because I do hear the flavors of some of that stuff and what I was thinking and saying out loud
Yeah, is uh when I when I when I compare this to domestic violence and I think okay if I try to compare those two situations together like to me that's a more

(41:01):
Like I would I
Understand why the women go back to the men
In domestic violence, but in this situation. I'm it's almost like I'm pretending it's something completely different when it's like it's kind of the same thing almost
It is I think it is the same thing. Yeah, I think he I think if these women they they were saying they were doing these things because they wanted to be around him

(41:23):
Yeah, which sounds very much like a kind of a domestic like yes you women love your men so much and it's yeah
You know anyway, and I think that that's kind of what this modern feminism is kind of going around where they're saying listen ladies
We can't love this hard
It to the detriment of ourselves

(41:44):
We can love but it has to be we have to hold men accountable
And I think that that you men don't love that narrative quite so much
That we're holding you guys accountable you need to be held accountable and to show up in marriage and show up in relationship
And show up in sexuality in not abusive ways right
In conclusion

(42:08):
I've got some points here that chat was able to guide me through that I want to share for the audience so we can all learn
Okay, it says
um
Let's refine the perspective before analyzing behavior establish who held the power
acknowledge the power imbalance first and always did he was a global celebrity with immense wealth influence and control

(42:29):
And any relationship or one party holds disproportionate power consent becomes murky and that imbalance should frame the conversation
Number two, remember trauma distorts choice not intelligence victims don't stay because they're dumb or into it
They stay because abuse conditions the nervous system to equate love with survival

(42:51):
Isn't that wild I've never heard that before
It's not that these women lightwell is happening they may have normalized it due to trauma bonding fear financial dependence or hope for change
Just like addiction staying can be a coping mechanism not a rational choice
uh
Let's see

(43:11):
Question the system not just the individual
If your first question is why did she stay a better one is why was he allowed to keep doing it for so long
Ask why there was no oversight no accountability why others enabled or ignored the abuse
Which is true because all those jerk offs that took a stand that's what I was saying the entire time
Abuse doesn't happen in a fucking vacuum. Yeah, it didn't happen with the uh Catholic Church

(43:36):
It didn't happen with any other religion you have there has to say you did say this
That it doesn't it didn't happen at the playboy mansion by itself
These abusers had help
Why are we so willing to turn a by a blind eye and
See things in the best light or just because we think it's the culture of the of whatever

(44:03):
Why are we doing that why are we
It's so strange to me. I feel like people talk a lot about having a moral compass, but I don't think a lot of us have it
Yeah, and and and it takes me back to sort of wrap up this whole thing it takes me back to the whole
I think diddy's a fed and this was all a big
Farse he got in trouble for like going off script a little bit by the feds and they're like okay, diddy

(44:27):
Let's get you back in check and they scared the shit out of him with this trial. I think because of his drug abuse
Yeah, and the reality is
Dude every major celebrity was at these parties bragging about it for 30 years and
Jamie Foxx was the cameraman in the 90s and then he releases the special of like oh diddy's the devil

(44:49):
I'd never I didn't know anything in Kevin Har and Nash to cut your and Jay Z and all these other assholes
We didn't hear one people about any of those parties
What none of them saw any of this happening that's interesting
So like I think this is just a way of
Playkating the public the same way that the Epstein thing is all just like yep. Oh, here's your three-wing binders
Case closed. We're good move on something else

(45:12):
Got it now that that's the fucking truth
Yeah, anyway, well anyway, so to put a bow on that my apologies for
You know being instance here there on the in victim blaming ask I would argue
But honestly that wasn't my intention. I was trying to sort of present that point of view because that was what the defense was using yeah and

(45:35):
On cue that's what worked and now he's not working really and it worked and it worked and I don't know I yeah, I don't
Anyway, I don't want to make excuses for anything but
Next time when it comes to that I will do more homework
Because I
Surely do feel bad. I don't want women out there to know you cheating on them or

(45:59):
Suggesting they deserved this on some level. No
No, and I and I know you I live with you and and I'm a fucking ballbuster like
I wouldn't be I wouldn't be with somebody that
didn't
love
Women right. I love women if you didn't love women. I would be not attracted to you

(46:21):
I'm like this isn't I'm not with this fucking guy
So that so that's my apology tour wrapped up very good uh speaking of apology tours. Let's talk about love Island for a second. Okay
Now we're gonna love Island then we're gonna talk about the uh the floods in Texas that one's gonna be red hot
Hot takes galore coming soon. You thought you were offended last week. Wait till you hear this one

(46:45):
So oh and then oh wait tear two shout outs
Well, let's do love Island. No, we'll do two two
I got so many browsers open right now
Okay, so uh, we'll keep the shorks. I know not everybody watches love Island
So I'll cap this conversation of what 15 minutes. Okay
Does that sound good? Yeah, that's fine. Do you have a lot to say about love Island? Uh-huh

(47:09):
Is anything particular about love Island? You wanted to talk about this episode this season has a ton of um
Like holding people accountable to their social media's
Presence that they had before they were on the show
Yeah, and if people don't know love Island is a reality show where
They put a bunch of singles on a

(47:31):
They say and I it's like a resort and really resort sort of make the house
It's a house. Yeah, it's like a mansion
Yeah, and they make them sort of pair off
find a significant other of sorts and then
Periodically kick people off sometimes America votes who they want to get kicked off and it's it's brutal. It's like

(47:52):
Because you're watching it you start to fall in love with the couples
And you're like oh, I love these two and then next thing you know boom one of them's getting kicked off the show and you're like damn
It's like watching a taking a dog to get put down every week. Yeah or something
And uh, you know, it's really uh
Sleazy so we had the first one uh, there was I don't even remember what her name was you Lissa you Lissa

(48:13):
She was a Cuban. Wasn't she Cuban? I think
So she was a spanic of some human or Puerto Rican or something like that in Miami, right?
Wasn't she in Miami? I believe so order somewhere and
She was caught on a not caught she was on a podcast and she had said the n-word multiple times

(48:35):
lots of times
Which is very curious. This is another like content contentious discussion is uh, who's allowed to say the n-word right?
For sure the the whites cannot yeah, the whites are out you're out of this conversation
Immediately immediately know so I immediately have no opinion
um

(48:56):
But I listen to to kashi six nine right and he's Mexican dude and he says the n-word all the time
A lot of a lot of people of color will use the n-word
And it's not my place to say whether that's appropriate or not, but I've noticed it's a thing. Yeah
I've noticed younger white people who use the word now, which I think is it's horrendous. It's hard for me to wrap my head around that yeah

(49:21):
But she used it and they they pulled her off immediately. Yeah, she was on one day
I think she was on one day and then she was gone and they didn't discuss it or nothing just you know
By the way, I hated her bathing suit that she had on her
Opening it was not like a starfish on her one tit. Oh did it very not it was not cute and now

(49:43):
She was gone whatever we had on we have on a maga guy who loves like I don't know I try it. I like him
I think he's funny and he's endearing
And he seems like a good person, but his maga stance is hard for me and I'm like this isn't the place for you
I'm sorry go on Christian go to go on your fucking

(50:06):
Yeah, but most of our friends are maga folks so
They're not on love Island either
I'm sorry if you want to be a maga person like you that's your whole stance
Go on what is it farmers only?
Jump out like the racial component of this or what? No, I'm talking about the dating component of this

(50:26):
You're going on a show that's obviously a very liberal show where these people are making out with each other and exploring lots of
Connections and this is a very free love type of way
This is not a traditional sense of any way any kind of relationship should be
I got where you're coming from zero
Fuck off you're not invited you don't get it come you don't get to have these traditional values

(50:53):
And then come and dry hump on my love Island get the fuck stepping mm-hmm you're not for you
He's not welcomed. I don't like it on there. It's like you don't get to have these kind of fucking
Beliefs it's saying the show has a more sort of progressive angle because
people are they'll be made it up with a partner and

(51:16):
They'll be allowed to go make out with someone else yes, and it's very progressive in the sense
you're encouraged to have lots of
connections talks. I'm putting these all in air quotes all of and then
Explore different relationships to see which relationship fits the best

(51:39):
That is the point of it you're testing your relationship
You match up with the one and then you get tested with others and then they bring in other spicy hot
um
Bombshells to test your connections and all of that this is a very progressive show
Gotcha, and you know what I love about it speaking of like men not having the ability to have intimacy

(52:04):
without having um sexual like sexual
Component to it. Uh-huh. These people don't have TV. They don't have
um
There's no TV. There's no cell phones they have cell phones, but like the cell phone is like
In a circuit like it's only them on their cell phone. Yeah, in production

(52:28):
But sending a message is about what
What's coming up that night what to get ready for right like you have a fucking challenge get ready to
Have the widest mouth
tongue out kiss you've ever seen for
Fucking 10 minutes, you know, which I'm like are they telling these people to kiss like that? They might be huh
Why does anybody kiss with their mouth

(52:50):
Spread is why does you possibly can with your tongue literally poked out? Yeah, they come in with their tongues wide out like that
Seeing anything like it never seen anything like it also by the way I saw fucking a fucking somebody's asshole
On the show
Surprise you listen
No, it was a Maya a Maya's asshole. I was like whoa, but like here's a deal you don't get it like bend over in

(53:17):
G-strings all day long and think an asshole's not gonna poke out, but if it was my asshole that would be the end
I would be off the fucking show
You don't get to see my fucking asshole on national television that would be the end of my life
but
It's such a gorgeous place
For these young people

(53:40):
Who don't know how to really talk with each other like they'd never just sit around and chat
Everybody's on phones everybody's like if you're in a group you saw everybody sells their phone
Yeah, life's busy. It's busy. You guys should go on the basic on vacation for however long they're there
No, but they're on it without a fucking cell phone. They have nothing to distract. Yeah, so they're sitting there talking about

(54:02):
their feelings the entire fucking time
Do I like this person or do or am I just attracted to this person?
Are there chats interesting or are there bodies hot?
It's such a fun juicy way of watching people navigate what is attraction actually?
I love it is my fucking favorite

(54:26):
But no, and then they had what's the other guy that just got kicked off?
this guy was
TJ
TJ was like following Andrew Tate also again not fucking invited tj
You don't get a big roast
Following Andrew Tate and then come on to hear where there's a bunch of women that isn't fair and I think they specifically say that you can't talk about

(54:49):
politics
Because you you can hear people asking questions without asking questions. Yeah, because Sierra was asking
Nick
If he believed in
What was evolution?
So it's a way of be like I don't know like you believe and so like to me that's saying to like who are you dogwistly?

(55:12):
It's a dog whistle. Are you in the science or religion?
Like what the fuck are you?
Interesting. It's very interesting. But now here's the drama. Sierra was on something
Talking about how she has I can you say the word? I don't know if you can't say the word. I'm not saying it
I got I just did a whole 45-minute apology. I ain't saying shit

(55:33):
The I've got I got the article right here. Uh, let's see here
I had to go to several articles to find this because
Nobody wants to say it. Oh, yeah says in January
So her name is Sierra or Tegas. She's Mexican and Puerto Rican. Okay
No, no she doesn't have any Asian ethnicity. Okay, so similar to the who can say the N word. Yeah

(56:00):
It's like I thought maybe she I was like well, maybe she's part Asian because she she uses the
CHINK Y word
She said it twice. Yeah, in January 2015. So 10 years ago
Uh, let's see how old was she? I have no idea since she's 25 now since she was

(56:21):
15. Oh my god. We're holding people accountable for what they said when they were 15
What are we talking about says is she posted a picture of herself at the top of mountain and use the slur to describe how she squints
when she smiles
Then in February 2023 in a store Instagram story documenting herself getting Botox

(56:46):
Saying she loves using the injectable
As a mini brow lift to open up her eyes and get that snatched look so to go to a different article to get the full details it says
Otherwise her eyes look to fill in the blank
Where is it here
The message read I can also be a little CHINK Y when I laugh

(57:12):
Smile so I love getting a mini brow lift to open up my eyes and get that snatched look. This is not me encouraging
but more so sharing
And it's crazy because
I have a lot of questions here, right? Okay
What's strange is that this article claims
Okay 2023 is a little bit more recent. Yeah, I read it user claimed. I remember when she said this and I DMed her

(57:41):
I DMed her this like not to say I told you so but
And then it had a screenshot of their alleged message to Sierra at the time and it read
Girl that is a slurred delete this before someone exposes you for it in a few years when you're successful
Which I don't know if this

(58:03):
Scrains like who who was Sierra or Tehga in 2023
Why were people uploading taking screenshots of her stories why maybe she was like a maybe she had like a following oh maybe
Instagram influencer. Yeah, maybe
Either way now
The community on like the reddit types I guess

(58:25):
The liberals
The liberals uh, this is the problem with lives like I mean not that there's a problem with this particular but they're very heavy on the
Can't someone into extinction because of them being inappropriate, which she was inappropriate no doubt
But it's also like she's one of the favorites like she's great. She seems like a good person. Yeah, she seems like a genuinely good person her end

(58:47):
I could be wrong. I don't know. They're just assholes on TV sure
But I watched for an hour at night for five days a week
So I'm like don't don't cancel her come on. So what do you think can brown people say slurs man? I'm not weighing in on shit
This is what's so interesting. The correct answer is as a white man. I have no opinion. I know I can't say it and that's where my opinion ends

(59:12):
I mean I don't I can't be offended for someone else. So I don't know like does it bother me not really yeah
The only time that I get a little cringed out is if like a white person uses the n-word like that to me
I'm like, oh you shouldn't do that. But what if a white person says the
seaword?
You know for some reason that's less offensive to me. I still think it's inappropriate. I wouldn't say it

(59:36):
And I certainly would advocate for it. I don't know. What about the like a the w word
What word is the w word
Like a mexican slur
Oh
I mean they're all levels of offensiveness right? They're all offensive and then but then it also is like well what's the context

(59:56):
I don't know
That it would sometimes like a stand-up comedian. They're trying to be like offensive or funny
And I don't know like it's hard. It's really difficult. I don't think it's a
A black and white thing
But then you could also be like well, you know white people
Using the hard r word on stage is a comedy like bit like maybe we're trying to be funny and it's like

(01:00:18):
Yeah, I get that. I just I'm like I would never do it, but
Yeah, it's tough. It's a tough one. It's interesting for a while there but like
Uh like white people were being held
I guess this is a win for the whites
The white what is that what's the win for the whites
that other

(01:00:39):
Brown people are being held accountable for their
Language like we have been oh, I see yeah
Yeah, cuz if we were saying like if it's not okay for us to say it
Is it a wise it okay for other people to say it right
Yeah, cuz if Takashi 6 and I was on this show
They'd be like dude this guy's saying the outward every other word yeah, can't I'm out of here or whatever right right which sucks because like I like I like him as a rapper

(01:01:05):
I don't know but like it's also but Eminem wraps without saying that word yeah, I know Eminem gets it
He understands that the nuance of it
It's so hard and like here's a deal we're fucking old
We said terrible shit growing up. Yeah totally like we'd call each other

(01:01:26):
The you know the f word that you can't say anymore that
We common parlance back in the 90s. Yes
And it wasn't ever people being like homosexual you're right
I used to say things but I get why that word on a regular it would be but I get why that's
That word people
But I guess that thing that whatever arbitrary thing is the G word

(01:01:50):
We said it all the time I get why if you were if you're gay that would be offensive because you're like well
But you're also
Not using it in a positive light like calling your best friends that
You know, so I kind of get it
Enough that I don't I try not to use it, you know
But you got to give grace to people that are older it's like and I don't know how old is she 20?

(01:02:12):
She probably should be young she's too young. She should have known better than her age
blame grandpa for saying
shitty racist shit. Yeah
My mom still says oriental
When she's describing people
She and she does it is literally I cannot say it enough to her like call her up and ask her about this and stop calling people or

(01:02:36):
Annel for the please for the love of God. Please stop saying that word
Why what's wrong with it?
She will not but she is 80
Now one last thing area on a matrix
Has chimed in I guess that keeps growing this whole it's a growing outrage now supposedly from she lost like 200 and something

(01:02:59):
2000 followers now
Which really sucks man, but anyway, uh, let's see
Well, blah blah blah. I tell you a liberal loves to eat their own
We
The Republicans never do this a conservative would never conservative is rally around each other. Yes

(01:03:21):
Exactly the more disgusting they are though except for conspiracy theorists. We eat each other all day every day
Backed I'm still getting shit from people who didn't like my Ian Carroll stuff really. Oh, yeah, they hate it
You're just a big old hater. I'm like, yeah, I think I said that on the show. I'm a big old hater
correct
Oh, let's see. Okay, someone was that you know tagging

(01:03:48):
Aron of Maddox talking shit, I guess and she pushed back writing
They're like why are you being so quiet about this and she wrote not silent. You don't know what you're talking about
And it says the brief but pointed comment was enough to get fans talking and
Didn't go unnoticed as pressure continues to mount on production to address the situation

(01:04:08):
My understanding is that they're having like production emergency meetings trying to figure out what the fuck they're gonna do with it
Dig all this is happening in Sierra has no clue what's happening. It's gotta be right because she's no idea
I don't think that they're telling her until they figure out what how they're gonna move on it
Do you imagine you just wake up thinking everybody loves you when you're in this fun relationship with Nick and

(01:04:29):
You're in you're doing your thing and then they're gonna come wake you up in the middle of the night like they did a listen and
Are you listen and you're just out of the fucking villa? I think what they're gonna do is
And now you have to be in this store because they have a america vote on an app. I bet they're gonna vote
Do we okay? Let's see do you want her out or not? It's up to you. Oh

(01:04:52):
I think that's a smart way of doing it actually that's the way they should do it instead of addressing it at all
Just be like okay, here's your chance if you if you guys hate it this bad get her off
But they're they're saying it's like a double standard because they kicked off you listen for using the n-word
The racial slur yeah, and now Sierra they've got proof of her using a different racial slur. Oh
Yeah

(01:05:14):
You know what's funny is I've had a lot of very close Asian friends growing up. Uh-huh. I don't know if you know this
No, I didn't yeah growing up back east we have um I
Don't know I don't know what their story was
But they were Chinese guys. Okay. I was really close to them. I don't know what there's something about their energy that made it up with my energy
Because like they're very quiet and interesting the one the the Asian guys I hung out with they're very quiet introspective

(01:05:37):
super intelligent very talented
And we just got along great because I also very intelligent and talented
But I just I've always even when when Zach where the K came on the show I was like do I fucking like Zach?
I don't know why you do something about like Asian culture and energy that like I'm not like an anime fan or nothing like that

(01:05:57):
Yeah, there's something about Asian people that like I really dig I don't know what it is like fetishized. No not at all
Not not at all
Like Asian men like I'll I'll friend up with an Asian dude pretty easy. Yeah
I don't know what that is, but
Yeah, someone my closest friends were Asian. Huh?
I think they're from China. I don't even remember I haven't talked to him since high school, so I don't know

(01:06:22):
Anyway, uh like had an accent from like a Chinese accent. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, they were they spoke English
Yeah, but but they definitely had an accent. Oh, okay, so I don't know if they were on some kind of
They lived here. It wasn't like they were just here for a year. They were here the whole time. I don't know when they moved your I don't really know

(01:06:43):
You're such a fucking man. I know man answer. I can't talk about video games shit. I'll tell you how to not I mean
How do you not ask the next fucking boy? It just wasn't in my like wheelhouse of things to ask. I don't know
Bazaar it is bizarre
Why aren't you guys like that? Why aren't you um inquisitive? We talk about things

(01:07:06):
Not each other
All right
Yeah, and it's sad because the one guy
His name was thong
Like the underwear like thong. Yeah, and he changed his name after I schooled it Tom
Tom
Oh sad. Yeah, look at that sucks man trying to like

(01:07:28):
probably you know
My mom wouldn't learn Greek because she wanted to be American so much
Like when my grandfather would speak Greek to her he she would not answer him. Yeah, that sucks. I it sucks
Those are fun things. Yeah, it's not horrible. Yeah, fucking horrible man
Anyways

(01:07:48):
All right, uh, that's all I got for love island. You got anything else? No, and by the way we're recording this July 6th
It's now 6 p.m. Mountain Standard Time so
Don't hold us anything against this or something changes. Okay, we're talking about these floods
All right, let's flood it you want you want the
You want the controversy this is about where they get real controversial

(01:08:09):
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(01:08:53):
What do we how do I call it a super shout out? I got a super shout out for
Josh going above and beyond tier two. Thank you for your support Josh
And then uh, we've got a whole list of two folks. I feel like this list grows. It just seems like it's bigger and bigger
Every day
Josie's filled in the comment section on the patreon
By all means you got some things to say. I'm sure you do after listening to my 45 minute apology tour and is using the ch i nk

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Why word racist or not who can say it?
Do it in the comment section of patreon where you're in a safe place where we can openly lovingly discuss and debate
mm-hmm
Okay, lovely but
Lovingly and sometimes not sometimes people get fired up and they fire off a message
Like I've seen I got a couple messages of people that weren't very chill about anything

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And I talked to them about it. We were cool. We're chill now. Yeah. Are they okay? My bad
Okay, I'll take people forget we're humans
Yeah, like like when you see me I need you to see a dumber poor Joe Rogan
You wouldn't hold a dumber poor Joe Rogan to this standard
All right, you're not dumber than Joe Rogan. Don't wait me for you. I'm for sure dumber than Joe Rogan. Why do you think he knows so much shit?

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I don't know he's got he just because he's broly and he says things we don't like
Doesn't mean he's not one of the smartest human beings
Okay, we love Joe Rogan. We do not regardless
We do not of his
Latest hallucinous hallucinations
That man could fuck off all snap out of it. Hold snap out of it. He'll come back to us. No

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Joe she was still lamenting how she has to finish her book. I finished it
I gotta I have to listen to it for the seventh time and and write notes. It's so hard to do that

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It's so hard. I don't know if people appreciate it. Do not fucking get how hard that is
I did a three-part book breakdown on my podcast as bonus content
I was like wait till they what do they get a load of this they're gonna love it. Look I'm flooding in nope
Fuck so much work so much work, but you know the people of the love it love it so

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All right
Links are in the show notes for that by the way
Next in final discussion
What happened in Texas? Well on July 6th
Today at 2 p.m. I got the update on this in fact let me refresh the news because it's uh
You know, it's a late breaking story so I'm gonna give you the most up-to-date

(01:12:30):
numbers here
Oh, not good
Um
Okay
All right, I'm gonna read you from Wikipedia from
Four hours ago. I will update the death toll though. It says from July 4th to July 5th a large and catastrophic flash flood took place
In and downstream from Texas Hill County. No Texas Hill Country in the US state of Texas. Who wrote this? A.I.

(01:12:56):
Bought
Yeah, the US state of Texas. We know where Texas is
During the flood water levels along the Guadalupe River rose quickly and significantly
When 5 to 11 inches of rain fell in just a few hours
As a result at least 80 people died
With 37 I heard it was like 24. I know it just keeps going up

(01:13:19):
Oh my god, what a nightmare
I mean just for a minute it's like
The gravity of that's pretty awful like that's horrendous sucks, and I think their kids like wasn't it a girl camp?
It was a girl's um like a Christian camp or something like that. Yeah
Oh, I just you know
All condolences out right thoughts prayers all the works um

(01:13:43):
Flooding began on July 4th after large amounts of rain fell in central Texas six flash flood emergencies
Which included the cities of curville and mason were issued the same day
Guadalupe River surged and estimated 29 feet in the hunt area
or over
20 children were declared missing from a summer camp
25 were killed on July 4th with search and rescue operations a lot of that's outdated by now though. It kind of keeps rising

(01:14:12):
Kerr County judge Rob Kelly stated that no one knew this kind of flood was coming
And noted that the county did not have any warning system in place for major flooding events
Multiple witnesses to the flooding stated that no advanced warning of the floods was given out
Many pointed to federal staffing and budget cuts to the national weather service and the

(01:14:34):
NOAA which is what the national oceanic
something something
It's the weather people I think
For negatively impacting the agency's ability to predict the flood as well as coordinating emergency warning
So in America we take every tragedy and we have to have some political spins
Yeah

(01:14:55):
And unfortunately the conspiracy world is now a part of this. Oh my god. Are you serious and the conspiracy world has now become another mainstream media source
Okay, which nine times out of 10 aligns with conservative media. Yep
So basically you've got
Obama did Obama create this

(01:15:16):
No
Bill Clinton. Oh no. Are you serious? Bill Clinton the boogie man Bill Clinton
the conspiracies you've got
And this is all subjective to your point of view
Liberals I guess you would argue the liberal conspiracy okay would be a
climate change mixed in with

(01:15:38):
Cuts to the government from doge yes and Donald Trump reducing the size of government and
Cutting these national weather service offices and so on yeah, that's kind of that's they were talking about this happening while the cuts were happening
Oh really yes
Then on the other side you've got conservatives and conspiracy theorists sprinkled in there who say

(01:16:02):
No, there was actually extra staff working
And by the way that was harp that caused that flooding oh my god. I can't okay
Okay, so do you want to start with the libs
Let's go libs. Let's go libs. I'll take lives for 400
The lips point to New York Times

(01:16:26):
And I'm gonna read you from the New York Times because I don't want to get involved with this
Critical no, I'm sorry crucial positions at the local offices of the national weather service were unfilled as severe rainfall
Inundated parts of central Texas. I'm gonna paraphrase okay, because I'm not gonna read this word for word. We'll be here all day
Propeting some experts to question whether staffing shortages made it harder for the forecasting agency to coordinate with local emergency managers as the flood waters rose now

(01:16:57):
Quick red flag here
Some experts every time you see that word experts you got a you got a critical thinking a little bit here I agree
I want to know who these experts are yep
And you're the news that's your job you tell me who the experts are don't just say some experts yeah
Dickheads like me online yeah, who's the expert I went on Facebook and my fucking grandma said

(01:17:21):
Yeah, exactly my uncle worked at the national weather service and retired in 1982 he knows
Uh, Texas officials appeared to blame the weather service for issuing forecasts on Wednesday that underestimated how much rain was coming
But former weather service officials said the forecast was good as could be expected

(01:17:42):
Given the enormous levels of rainfall and the unusual escalation
Now I got more I'm gonna keep reading but I'm throwing in my two cents here. Okay, Texas officials. That's your you know
Law and order government crowd, right?
Mm-hmm
Are apparently saying they want the government to have a role in their lives a little bit

(01:18:06):
Hmm, you know from Texas from Texas of all places
All right
And now they're like well the government isn't bad. That's what I'm oh
That's what I'm proposing here
And now they're now they're trying to blame the government for not being big enough
My god

(01:18:28):
The staffing shortages suggested a separate problem
The loss of experienced people who would typically have helped communicate with local authorities in the hours after the warnings were issued
The shortages are among the factors likely to be scrutinized
Several questions have emerged about the preparedness of local communities including Curse counties apparent lack of a local flood warning system

(01:18:52):
The county where most of the deaths occurred
In an interview Rob Kelly the Curr County judge and its most senior elected official
Said the county did not have a warning system because such systems are expensive and local residents are resistant to new spending
Mr. Kelly said taxpayers won't pay for it
Asked if people might reconsider in light of catastrophe. He said I don't know

(01:19:17):
And this is the crux of the argument, right? This is the you know because to be fair neither side is wrong in the sense that
If you want a service that protects lives
You're going to have to pay money for it like that cost money. Yeah, so the question is do you want money or do you want these systems that could

(01:19:39):
Keep you safe keep you safe
And I don't you know there's there's justifiable reasons for both
It yeah anyway
There's just what are you talking about?
Because like sometimes
ifiable reason for not so because sometimes program like do you remember how we were pouring an
astronomical amount of money into a

(01:20:01):
missile defense shield
I think it started with Ronald Reagan in the 80s with Star Wars that George W. Bush did the same thing
and it with the whole idea was we wanted these missiles that were so great that they could like
It could take down a nuclear missile that was headed for us. Yeah
And they were miserable failures and they cost a ton of money and it just wasn't possible

(01:20:22):
We kept saying where we're going to do it and it was just a handout to these
Defense contractors. Oh, okay. I'm oversimplifying this of course. Okay. I wasn't prepared to give a whole lecture on this so
But I mean I'm just saying that government spending in general right. I'm just saying that I thought you meant with
In I what I thought you were trying to say was in

(01:20:43):
the crux of
Safety like in the weather thing. Yeah, but you're not saying that specifically. You're just saying I would want to know what money
spent on
government
Whatever well, like for instance if if this flood warning system
cost did Kirk County
What let's

(01:21:04):
Say a billion dollars. I have no idea. We have no clue. Let's say it cost a billion dollars and every taxpayer
For their property taxes instead of spending a thousand a year now they got to spend 20,000 a year
They would say well, I can't afford that. I believe
So I don't want it
I'd rather take the risk of maybe we get these floods and maybe people die
And I don't know that that would be the wrong way of looking at it

(01:21:27):
But it depends on how much it costs it depends on a lot of things
Because in all reality it probably would cost a nickel per person yeah, exactly to fund this flood system and protect some damn people
Yeah, that's the probably the reality but the problem is is that a nickel for them is too much
Yes, because that's a very conservative thing because my taxes aren't going up a fucking penny
Yes, because the government is stupid and they can't do anything right right but then you got all these guys crying like where's the government?

(01:21:50):
Yeah, exactly
This is what bugs me about conservatives is the
idea that
We all hate government. It is the worst thing. So therefore elect me to go in here and work for government
Yeah, I don't understand what the fuck you're talking about
If you hate it why the fuck are you there? I want people that love it

(01:22:15):
And that can see the benefits of it and that want to make it the most efficient yeah
That that now is the whole thing with doge I don't want to
I don't want to get read it and then want to make it efficient because that hatred will blind you yes
I agree because I actually agree with the ideas of doge of like dude
Let's let's streamline some of this government spending we're spending way too much I agree with that I agree but

(01:22:38):
Just like you said this comes from people who
Loathe the government right and think it's public enemy number one and they're they literally everything goes in that filter
They have their acronym rage retire all government employees because they fucking hate everybody
Yeah, and they hate the government right like I don't want those people making these decisions no
No, they literally dickhead out of chainsaw on stage was like screaming about cutting off fucking yes jobs and shits like bro

(01:23:03):
Maybe that's a little overzealous
Like if it's so bad Elon get the fuck out then yeah, you're not an American
Yeah, kick fucking rocks bro
And now he's gonna start a third political party he says we'll see how that goes go wherever you want you have all the money go where it's fucking great
No leave us alone leave
Bro leave please

(01:23:24):
I think all these billionaires you could kick the fuck out. I know they're disgusting
Okay back to the newer times
The National Weather Service is sent Angelo office
blah blah blah
Was missing a senior hydrologist staff forecaster and

(01:23:46):
meteorologist in charge according to tom feijie the legislative director for the national weather service
Employees organization the union that represents weather service workers
The weather service is nearby San Antonio office which covers other areas also had significant vacancies including a warning
coordination meteorologist and science officer

(01:24:08):
We're in a fucking hiring freeze
That we're getting there
Staff members in those positions are meant to work with local emergency managers to plan for floods
Including when and how to warn local residents and help them evacuate literally the thing right
The office is warning coordination meteorologist left on April 30th after taking the early retirement package the trump administration used to reduce the number of federal employees

(01:24:34):
According to a person with knowledge of his departure
Some of the openings may predate the current trump administration but at both offices the vacancy rate is roughly double what it was when trump returned to the white
Austin January
According to mr. feijie which
To be critical here tom feijie is the director of the union which the unions are very much trying to defend workers and keep them from getting fired

(01:25:02):
I'm not saying he's lying. I'm just saying like if you want to look at biases of who's all involved here like that could be a bias
We need to look at right to be fair. Yes
And that was kind of the narratives and then I went on twitter and
Lives of tiktok which
I it's got to be Russian propaganda because it's like a nameless faceless fucking thing that has ten bazillion followers

(01:25:30):
They shared a screenshot from an associated press article
And they're like this is what the libs don't want you to know about the flood okay
And long story short I was able to find the article through
Um
Then the NBC Dallas Port Worth dot com

(01:25:52):
All right to sort of save a lot of explanation
The article is called national weather service shares the timeline of alerts ahead of the catastrophic Texas flooding and it says
That they shared a timeline of alerts
After the New York Times report that I just read to you guys
Question whether staffing shortages may have made it harder for forecasters to coordinate responses

(01:26:15):
The Nash so they're saying that the national weather service themselves
Said on the morning of july 3rd
the national weather system
In where what state are they?
The office in Austin San Antonio okay the Texas the Texas national weather service people
They said that flash flood they have a whole timeline here they say that the

(01:26:40):
The national weather center flood hazard outlook
Was issued Thursday july 3rd
For flash flood potential to include curvil Texas
Then flood watch was issued by the weather service on Thursday
In effect through Friday morning
Then the weather prediction center issued three
Warnings basically on Thursday

(01:27:03):
Then there was
More sort of discussion about this including the city of curvil where this happened on the third
Then a flash flood warning issued on Thursday
For bandera county
Then one in the morning on Friday flash flood warnings with a considerable tag issued

(01:27:24):
Blah blah blah it just goes on right it goes through this whole thing it says may we were warning people we were warning
Yeah, it says the national weather service said it was heartbroken by the tragic loss of life
It remains committed to the mission blah blah blah
U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Christie Knowham said Saturday it was difficult for forecasters to predict just how much rain would fall

(01:27:45):
She said the Trump administration will make it a priority to upgrade the national weather service technology
Used to deliver warnings okay, which goes against everything they say they're doing the cut funding and stuff
How are they going to do that when the fucking billionaires need their tax breaks?
We'll see

(01:28:05):
Then okay, then it has this the national weather service meteorologist
Jason Roanian
Said that the national weather service office
For that area
Had extra staff on duty during the storms where the office would typically have two forecasters on duty during clear weather

(01:28:27):
They had up to five on staff quote
There were extra people in the here that night and that's typical in every weather service office
You staff up for an event and bring people in on overtime and hold people over
That's the part that is trending on the uh
Twitter right wing right wing sphere. It's like
Because the left is saying hey you guys fired all the people

(01:28:49):
That's why kids are dead now the rights like well
They had more than enough people so now what I guess right
And then they talk about how there is no flood warning system we already talked about that so what's the truth?
About what did they have enough staffing?
Were they giving out enough warnings? Well, there's an investigation into if there was sufficient staffing or not

(01:29:15):
Because you've got the union president which to be fair that's a bias right because the union is constantly fighting with
Cutting government positions and stuff
But I mean, I don't know you know he's saying no they got rid of literally like the guy who handles that thing
He left April 30 April 30th
And then you've got the national weather service who regardless of whether or not they had enough people or or got rid of the guy who was responsible

(01:29:44):
They're saying we issued all these warnings going back to Wednesday
So it's still to be determined what if you could have prevented this
What it looks like to prevent it was there enough workers
All that stuff isn't it crazy
This is okay. This was hard for me if you ask

(01:30:09):
Two people this is just the way it is in America now. There are no such thing as facts anymore
It's all politically biased everything even down to the news organization
Of who okay, well who owns that news organization that local news organization
Because they're pushing their fucking bias also like everybody's allowed to just say

(01:30:34):
Just the parts that help support their arguments
If fucking blows my mind
That we have let it dissolve into this what blows my mind as a conspiracy theorist is
Anytime you have something like this happen every conspiracy guy on the planet is online spouting their thing to support their bias
and

(01:30:57):
Inevitably it they're so they don't make any sense because
They'll say and I'm guilty of this too. So I'll lump it myself in there with it too because sometimes I guilty of this also. Okay
They'll defend their viewpoint
By sharing a news article and then in the next breath be like the lying fake mainstream media

(01:31:22):
Can't trust anything they say but in the next breath are like but except for this one you can trust this one
It says right here
And you remember that video viral video of all the news reading the same script yes exactly
The so who owns that that local news are that local news

(01:31:43):
place
What was it ABC? NBC? Well, who owns them and because that you're the news that you get locally at this point
Now is going to have a fucking political bias. We've known this because of that viral video of
What was it Rupert Murdoch who owned all of those?

(01:32:04):
She's I don't even remember the some billionaire owns all of our news and they sent out a
mass
Thing where it was like you have to read this verbatim on the news
Yeah, and local KSL was a KSL or no KUTV
I was on it. Yeah, yeah our boy over at K and then
And in Utah KSL is owned by the Mormon church. So like anyone who lives here knows that there's a Mormon propaganda angle on that

(01:32:31):
news
Right or wrong. I'm just saying like like it's like I always say with the news is like right or wrong
I know who's you just well, I mean the fact that matters were here every news has their bias
You be a fucking idiot. I mean don't and then you got what's the other option? I'm just not gonna pay attention
Who is the fucking energy for this that you catch is watch the news to stay up to date now you have to watch the news

(01:32:52):
Google to find out who owns that fucking news organization. Yeah, yeah, and who they're attached to it's like buying food
What are we doing here? It's like buying food. It's exhausting. Yes, you got to do so much work
Anyway, the NBC Universal who owns that
Which is ran by the president Michael Kavanaugh who

(01:33:14):
Went to Yale
Could have been scolumbones. We don't know. It's a private list. We don't know if there's he I'm gonna say he was scolumbones because he
worked for city group
Chate JP Morgan Chase
Comcast
Co CEO and co president of the Carlisle group, which is a huge

(01:33:35):
um, you know
Illuminate confirmed
Carlisle group
They're they're tied in with all the 9/11 conspiracies military industrial complex
Private equity all the shit and now this guy is the one that owns this guy is now the president of the NBC
Universal who owns that branch, right and also he's a member of the council foreign relations. I mean come on

(01:33:59):
This guy's for sure in the Illuminati. Yeah, so anything is the only NBC, which is probably includes love Island
Right because peacock I don't know. That's NBC. What Illuminate confirmed all of them. So anyway the point being uh, we don't know
It's exhausting
Then you've got the conspiracies all right. Let's hear what the conspiracies are harp did it

(01:34:21):
Do you know what harp is? I think the ones that make the clouds. Yeah, that's right. Okay one of the oldest conspiracy theories there
they
Pump energy into the ionosphere open Alaska
We talked about this in 2023 with the mowlifiers here when uh the hurricanes were hitting

(01:34:41):
Florida
Biden sent it there for the elections for the election so that they couldn't go and vote yep
So Biden rigged the storms so that he would lose the election
I
Mean come on wake up
Joe Biden who can't fucking walk without falling over is the mastermind puppet master of creating storms

(01:35:09):
Well Jesse
Jesse the body ventura
He had a show called conspiracy theory
I was actually pretty good. I nailed on the first take. Yeah, it was good
Remember that show yeah, I loved it. It was actually really good. Yeah

(01:35:33):
I was the governor the Navy seals
He uh he had a shep episode about harp and
A physicist was on their name Brooks Agnew who had a cloud
That he moved in a chamber basically using these ideas that harp the centena array open Alaska
Could move clouds

(01:35:56):
And it can generate extremely low frequencies ELFs
And David I talked about this back in the day
um
because
Our brains the human thought operates at extremely low frequencies. Oh, and now it's part of the Jesse ventura show
Remember he was saying something about it

(01:36:17):
I don't know
Putting a thought to his brain or something do you remember this? No, I have we saw this
15 years ago
So I have no recollection of it. I mean I read you're the voices in my head
Anyway, so there's there's claims that it can do mind control move clouds

(01:36:43):
Cause rain cause storms. I mean that doesn't necessarily like I don't
completely
Not believing that stuff because don't they have weapons that are energy weapons where they blast them
Like they have videos of them blasting it into a protest. Yeah where they're using these energy weapons again
energy weapons right and

(01:37:05):
I saw something talking about how
A country was using these directed energy weapons at embassies. Uh-huh
In Cuba. They got a bunch of Americans who suffered from all these like brain injuries from them
Yeah, and then they didn't invest the intelligence agencies were like no that didn't happen
Bullshit. Yeah. Why would the people working at the embassy lie about that? Yeah

(01:37:29):
All of them just suddenly had these crazy migraines and shit right brain injuries for no fucking reason
They probably what they probably did was like they probably yeah the Chinese the Cubans are doing this shit
And we're gonna fucking sneak in there and assassinate some motherfuckers
But we're gonna devoid of global conflict where it's gonna be like no, it's fine. Everything's cool. Yeah

(01:37:50):
Who knows yeah, but the the issue is the debunk is that the University of Alaska took ownership of the harp in 2015
Which who knows maybe the maybe the government is still working it through there and it's a smoke screen, you know
We don't know but yeah the the government can modify whether we did it in Vietnam operation pop-up

(01:38:11):
We flooded the Ho Chi Minh trails
We do it here in Utah. Yeah
Cloud seating
They do cloud seating in Utah on the mountain range to make snow
That's a for real but real sees
Really well then why the fuck do they have snow machines?
That is the snow machines

(01:38:34):
No, it's not they cause they make clouds and then snows. I thought it was like they were blowing snow onto something like they were making
Artificial snow not moving fucking clouds
Maybe they got both
You're just saying words. I'm not I'm telling you that's it's truth
Really, I mean look at you're saying the snow machines that are used at the at the

(01:38:57):
ski resorts are cloud seating machines that it's actual snow
That's what I understood I googled it. Yes, Utah does engage in cloud seating to enhance snowfall and augment at snowpack
Utilizes both ground-based and aerial cloud seating methods primarily during snowfall events when atmospheric conditions are favorable

(01:39:18):
Utah's program is one of the most extensive in the nation with the goal of increasing the state's water supply by boosting snowfall and key mountain ranges
Utah's cloud seating program introduces substances like silver iodide into clouds proving
Providing nuclei for ice crystals to the form these ice crystals then grown to snowflakes potentially increasing the amount of snow that falls

(01:39:38):
I mean they could just like let the fucking great salt lake fill up with water again
It could if they wanted
I love how we're all freaking out about the fluoride in the water, but they're putting silver iodide into our clouds
How do you how do you do that who knows?
Okay
Nerds that's you know

(01:40:00):
but the
Yeah, the conspiracy there's they say harp can do all the everything you can think of alter jet streams calls storms earthquakes typhoons hurricanes rain
So under that assumption you'd say oh so
Trump

(01:40:21):
used harp
to flood Texas
Because that's what the conspiracy people are saying oh they they're saying it's Trump nope
plot twist it's Bill Clinton dummy
Trump would never
It's Bill Clinton of course it is like I need bodies yes

(01:40:43):
so
Bill Clinton
is using harp
under the name of
University of Alaska
To flood Texas
For fucking what I know I don't know what the
You know the whole thing with the elections like that made sense that conspiracy like that would make sense

(01:41:06):
I would kind of get that like Biden wants
That doesn't make sense to where he put it because they wrecked a liberal area of Florida
But I would get it if there was a storm that wrecked a conservative part of Florida
While Biden was president that one makes sense. I'd be like oh maybe that does make sense
Because of course he's got a vested interest in making sure the conservatives are displaced from the home during the election cycle

(01:41:32):
So that maybe he can steal Florida
They didn't need that he had Elon to still fucking Florida so
That's all I got for harp and Texas so
So lots lots will find out here soon right
We're not gonna find anything out. No nobody cares. This will be out

(01:41:53):
They're gonna blame Bill Clinton and then it's gonna be off the fucking recycle
So mouse will happen nothing else met nothing matters. We can just all die and nothing matters
Unfortunately
All right, that's all I got for today. That was a good one. Okay
Um anything Tina you got anything you want to bring up?

(01:42:16):
Been eye gazing listening to
daddy
cock
Lot of things listening to me apologize for being me
Okay sounds good. Okay. All right everybody. Uh, you know where to go. You know what to do
Like certain show notes patreon.com/prickestors. And I'm just gonna split the show go ahead for your the access all this stuff

(01:42:39):
Okay, till next time we love you
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