Travis Scott's Astroworld Satanic Ritual Exposed: Apple's $4.5M Deal, Occult Fashion & King Kill 33

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What if the Astral World tragedy wasn't just a concert gone wrong, but a ritual sacrifice hidden in plain sight?

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Today we're exposing the dark symbolism behind Travis Scott's performance. The $4.5 million Apple contract that kept the show going and
a disturbing connection to Kanye West's Donda event. We're gonna dive into Marina Brahmavitch, Michelle Lamy, Rick Owens, and even some dark
enlightenment connections. So of course we're gonna connect it all and I will reveal to you how Jane Shelby Downards King Kill 33 may have predicted all of this.

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This one's gonna blow your mind. Don't go anywhere.
Okay, now intensity up to 11.
Hermer Critt. What is it called? My Hermer Critt. Hermer Critt.
Flopotomy. T levels are too high the doctor said. I said this is too much testosterone. One little man.

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So okay, you're familiar with the Astral World situation from 2021 if I had we did a show about it.
And there was all this symbolism about what happened there at the concert. Let me give you five minutes of catching up for, I don't know who isn't familiar with what happened, but there was a concert at Travis Scott's own event that he called Astral World. It was a two day concert.

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It was like a big deal in Houston because is a reference to the theme park called the Astral World theme park that they used to have that got shut down and he was like, oh I love that as a kid.
So his vision was to make an event, a concert event that had amusement park rides and you know $20 sodas and fucking porta-potties full of shit. I'm sure.

(02:02):
Why do people like concerts? I knew I should have wrote it down. I was going to say I went within five minutes. But you're right. This is it's fucking crazy.
Did we do a whole show about why we hate concerts? It's fucking crazy. There is nothing you can you cannot tell me. You cannot convince me that concerts are fun.

(02:31):
I used to like concerts and tell you told me on this and then I was like, you know what, you're 100% right.
Outdoor concerts, like festivals? No. No.
Once where 10 people are getting trampled on the earth, extra no.
Oh my god.
I thought we did a whole show about this somewhere, but I don't see it on our list.

(02:53):
Really? About how concerts are the worst?
And people pay huge money for this shit. Huge. Much more than it used to be. It's so terrible.
Well, he.
So I just hate fun. I don't know if I'm like an old man.
No, I think you're gonna be fine.
Yeah, I'm gonna get off my lawn and I just like, you know what I mean?

(03:16):
No, I agree with you. The more you think about concerts, the more you realize the trash.
Why do I do this? I feel like it's a mass mind control to make us think that this is the pinnacle of fun.
You know, love it. They love it. We literally have full conversations about who's going to what concert?

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You spend 500 bucks. You go.
And you're not even close to the stage.
Yes, you're not in the front row. No.
You're way back with the binoculars. You pay $20 for a beer or a soda or whatever.
I don't know. What do people buy concerts?
Then you got to sit through 20 acts of shit you've never heard of that you don't care about.

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A band was never fucking heard of.
Hours and hours. Oh, we got one more.
Oh, hang on folks. Here we got this high school band.
Who?
Nobody cares about them.
Why the opening bands are the worst. It's the worst. Nobody gives a shit.
Everything about a fucking concert is the pinnacle.

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You leave. You can't hear for hours. Your ears are so fucking blown out that you can't hear anything.
That sounds fun. Then you get a sit in traffic.
That's the worst part. That's the thing that talks me out of it every time is the traffic.
I am like my gosh.
So anyways, so he was like the people love concerts.

(04:48):
I'm going to throw a big concert and he did it for I think this was the third year 2021.
Okay.
And it should be fair. His stage was cool.
It was pretty cool because it was a mass ritual satanic sacrifice stage.
And you sound like what's that crazy guy that turned in the freaking frog ske?

(05:09):
You turned him.
You turned him in.
It's a demonic festival to Lucifer.
Listen up folks, Hillary Clinton was back there drinking blood.
We got reporters on the ground.
So what he did was and we're going to here's what we're going to talk about today.

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There was a photo shoot he did with these occult fashion people.
I'm going to break that apart.
Okay.
Then we're going to talk about this new Netflix documentary.
Was that before the concert?
What do we know?
Give me a timeline.
I don't know.
That was 2024, but people are now talking about it on socials.
Oh, okay.
Gotcha.
And then we're going to talk about this new Netflix documentary that just came out called Trainwreck.

(05:57):
Okay.
Then we're going to talk about how in my research of the Red Pill Dada of the Mall James Shelby Downard,
I found he was calling out things just like this and I'm going to explain what that means.
Ooh, okay.
But the to go back to 2021 when it happened, we did a, an episode about this.
You can always find out.

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I put an index of every episode on breakingsocialnorms.com.
You can click the link or it's in the show notes even click the link and it'll take you to every episode.
So go scroll all the way back to November, December of 2021, whatever we did it.
And you can listen to that.
I also did, I think four of them on my podcast.
Wow.
Picked up by Newsweek on two different articles.

(06:42):
Wow.
It was a big deal.
It was the most downloaded episode I had ever done.
I had, I don't even know what it's at.
Let me get the, let me get you a fresh tally so I can count all my little numbers.
But it was a big topic, obviously, right?
And the reason that it was such a big deal was because the, the, um,

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the concert, the stage was loaded down with a crazy amount of satanic symbolism.
I mean, it was over the top.
Newsweek can't do their own.
They were just, you know, well, Newsweek doesn't want to perpetuate conspiracy theories.
So they got to say, well, conspiracy theorists online.

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Isaac Wisehops said this.
Well, they say credit to do so.
I'm at almost 80,000 downloads for that, the first Astral World podcast blowing every other episode out of the water.
Really?
The most popular episode ever.
And the reason why is because we all saw it.

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We saw Travis Scott wearing the shirt that had a regular person going through a portal, a doorway,
and turning into a demon with devil horns.
That was on his shirt during this concert where kids are getting murdered.
Well, killed.

(08:13):
I shouldn't say murdered.
I don't murdered.
Okay.
Then on the stage, it was a giant mountain with a portal in the center.
The whole show starts out with a dove on fire coming out of the mountain.
The dove, the symbol of the Holy Spirit.
Very satanic.
Then it had lots of all seeing eyes.
It was a cross and then inverted cross coming out of the mountain.

(08:35):
That was the eyeways for security and whoever.
Oh, that wasn't the stage.
No, that was actually like, it was coming out of the stage sort of, but those were just walkways for people to get through.
Oh, okay.
Was blocked off by scaffolding.
Okay.
And when I watched the entire YouTube concert, I found various strange things like somebody in the crowd was holding up a sign that said,

(08:59):
Will we survive?
It was also 2020.
Like this was COVID.
I guess so.
That's a fair rational and boring viewpoint.
But the whole point was that this was a, in my perspective, as a, you know, conspiracy theorist.

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A giant sacrifice ritual event, much like the pyramids of the Central America, they had the pyramids like,
it's the name of it or quetzacodal.
Is that the cheachy needs?
Why are you asking me?
I was like, I don't know.
Cheachy needs that.
Don't look here.

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And there was a bunch of weird symbolism before the event.
Wait a minute.
You said, okay, say that again.
I wasn't listening to you because you put me on the spot.
The pyramid called cheachy needsa where they used to do blood sacrifices.
The minds would tear out your heart.
We went there for our honeymoon, didn't we?
No, that was to loom.
Oh, that's right.
We went to to.
We didn't go to cheachy needsa.
Okay, that's right.

(10:09):
I'm sure they were sacrificing people there too.
They love it.
They love it.
Okay.
And that's why I believe in all that when people say, oh, that's crazy talk.
Why would they kill people?
Because I would argue that some of these people have not changed their perspective on this.
I think a lot of people in the ancient worlds have done blood sacrifices to the gods, to appease the gods.

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And it's kind of crazy to think that what nobody believes in that anymore.
Right.
So there was a bunch of weird symbolism on his artwork for Astral World.
And he was plugging this album called Utopia.
Before that came out, he created an album called Dystopia, which obviously plays on some dark ideas,

(10:55):
but it also plays on these opposing polarities, which is an idea that we're going to talk about with King Kill 33.
I don't know what that is.
The opposing polarity of...
No, what's King Kill 33?
What do you say?
That's the James Shelby Downard book he wrote about the JFK assassination being an alchemical ritual.
Gotcha.
Which when I recorded a three-part deep dive into the book for my supporter feeds,

(11:22):
which is going to come out any day now, and for all in my podcast.
And so I've been deep into that world.
And when I was kind of compiling some of this stuff about the updates to Astral World, I thought, "Oh my God, this is James Shelby Downard."
He literally talks about Houston being this Masonic cryptocracy city.

(11:45):
And Texas being this place of mass rituals.
What, where did you just say?
I'm going to explain it later.
Oh, okay.
I don't want to get it too deep into it now.
Oh, okay.
But yeah, so to me, I think this is basically JFK assassination 2.0, kind of, in the sense of traumatic mass casualty events.

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Let's get into it.
I can't wait.
It's mass mind control.
Wait, so are you saying, like, just the event had casualties?
Or are you saying the, are you saying mass casualty events?
Like, shooter.

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Like, shooter.
Well, I guess the JFK assassination wasn't a mass casualty event.
No, it wasn't.
But it was a ritualistic murder event.
And there was a massive people involved, meaning like everybody saw this video.
Everybody was part of this.
There's not one human being who didn't know JFK got assassinated.

(12:54):
Okay.
So, but we'll get there.
Okay.
Okay, so that was 2021, November 21.
He does a soul concert.
And a lot of people thought Travis Scott had been, he was done.
And I did, I did four episodes on it.
I'll link it in the show.

(13:15):
Let me link it in the show notes.
Let me take a little note.
I remember when that happened and they had all I kept seeing all of these videos of people showing other performers, stopping shows because people were getting hurt.
Touched, crumpled, like, you know, like in the crowds, they literally are watching it and they stopped their, they stopped their concert to help.

(13:42):
Yeah.
And he just didn't.
And he was wearing a, a Pearl Jam shirt as well.
What does that mean?
That it was a Pearl Jam shirt for who was who was there?
Oh, sorry.
Jesus.
So Travis Scott before this event was in a music video wearing the Pearl Jam shirt for the album called Dark Matter.

(14:06):
Okay.
And that's important because when Pearl Jam released that album, they did a concert, you know, what do you call it, a tour.
And they had a trampling event where people got trampled and murdered.
Oh.
So he's wearing this shirt for the concert.
Yeah.
Where people were killed.
Yeah, isn't that weird?
That was pretty weird.

(14:27):
Especially because the...
That's weird.
Especially because the...
Right before the event or how long before the event?
I think it was, I'd have to go to my notes.
I think it was in a music video that was within a year of this event.
In fact, I need a fact check all of that.

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[Laughter]
Hold on, hold on.
Okay.
Nine dead at a Pearl Jam concert in 2000.
Okay.
Was that the Dark Matter album?
I'm not a huge Pearl Jam fan, so I don't know.

(15:11):
What?
I love the 90s Pearl Jam.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
So this is 2000's Pearl Jam.
But I don't listen to every album by any means.
I've never been an album girl.
I'm like, I like singles.
I'm singles all the way.
Yeah, you are.

(15:32):
I don't give a shit about your fucking album.
It's not your experience, man.
Uh-huh.
Well, okay.
I only want the cream.
It looks like the Dark Matter album is from 2024.
Well, that's not right.
Anyway, we're going to-- who cares?
It doesn't matter.
Okay.
I'm going to link to my four shows I did where I unpacked all of that.
If people want to deep dive into it and get the accurate assessment of what happens.

(15:57):
This is like, you're remembering the shit from how long this was four years ago.
This is four years ago.
So, I will link it in the show notes.
But, uh, we're going to move into some new updates.
Okay.
And I don't know if you've seen the images online,
on the social media, people are showing these photos of Travis Scott with Michelle Lamy.

(16:18):
Do you know who that is?
Is she the lady that paints her fingertips black?
Yeah, she looks like a witch or a gypsy.
She's crazy looking.
She's terrifying.
She's a designer.
Yeah.
And she's dating that younger guy.
Is he younger?
He is.
Okay.
Oh, and--

(16:39):
Yes.
She's huge names in the fashion industry.
Okay.
And I'm going to--
But what they're-- these images going around, everyone's like, oh my god, Travis, you know,
and it's generally the sort of more Christian conspiracy theorist because--
Yeah.
You know, that's--
They really don't like her.
To be honest, I don't know much about her.

(17:03):
She looks terrifying.
She does look--
She does look like a witch.
But these photos, I started looking into it.
They actually came out in September of '24.
And if you go to showstudio.com, they've got the gallery.
There's like five images.
And it's--
It is weird because the images are--

(17:24):
They look like--
Let me see if I can show you--
Did you see them?
No.
All right.
I'm going to show them to you and I'll explain to the audience what we're looking at.
So-- I don't know if you-- can you see that?
Is that easy to see?
So it's like just kind of weird ethereal sort of images.
So this is like--

(17:48):
So the idea is that he had Michelle Lamey and Rick Owens design a modular studio
that he could take with him on the road from what I understand in the article.
What?
Why would they do that?
Who knows?
So they took photos of it.
That's like him working the ones and twos or whatever.
Then there's this photo of him laying with Michelle Lamey.

(18:10):
Tell me what you think that looks like.
It's Travis Scott laying down on like a bed or something.
In the arms of Michelle Lamey.
I don't know.
It doesn't-- it looks like a fucking photo.
Looks like they had sex.
Oh.
Then you have this image of the studio and Travis Scott looks dead and he's on the ground.

(18:35):
Yeah, I've seen that one.
Yeah, you know what I'm talking about now.
Okay, I've seen that one.
And that's Michelle Lamey in the background.
Notice all the orbs.
Oh, the orbs.
Yeah, there's tons of orbs in that.
And insane amount of orbs.
And it's not even mentioned in the article on Show Studio.
They don't mention a word about a million orbs on the photo.
Okay.
So those images are going around.
Okay.

(18:56):
And if you read the article, it talks about how he invited a guy named Nick Knight to photograph him.
Why would he have a fashion designer, right?
Yes.
She's a fashion designer.
Yes.
But they also make furniture and stuff.
Oh, they make furniture.
They do a bunch of art things.
Okay.

(19:17):
So the studio that they built was a modular studio that he could take on the road with him.
From what I heard.
The furniture to hold his computer.
Uh-huh.
And it has a table with a moose antler.
Like it's very avant-garde kind of stuff.
Okay.
Okay.
So the story goes that he invited Nick Knight, who's like a very famous photographer, to go backstage,

(19:46):
to take photos of him with Michelle Lamey and all this furniture.
Like the moose antler, which is called a tomb chair.
I looked at it and it's called a tomb chair, which tomb.
Tomb?
Tomb, like a dead person.
Okay.
I thought that was strange.
And your extra spooky today.
Actually spooky.

(20:09):
Okay.
So then I read an article in Lampoon Magazine with Michelle Lamey, where she's talking about this furniture and stuff.
She says, "I've been working backstage with Travis Scott."
Is that a good witch list?
Where she from?
I have no idea.
Does she have a crazy voice?
No, I do have an idea.

(20:30):
She's from France, I believe.
And then she moved to America for a while.
I've never heard her talk.
I don't know much about her or Rick Owens.
Oh, okay.
Besides their strange looking.
The only thing I know is that their footwear is silly.
Yeah, it's like big bouncy silly.
It's silly.
It's something, I don't know.
It feels like a dare.

(20:52):
Yeah.
Like their clothing is like, "I dare you to wear this."
Fashion is, I think I would argue, "Dumber than concerts."
That's fair.
It makes no sense.
But on the same hand.
I think it's also interesting to see people be weird.

(21:13):
Like I love watching people do something to step outside of the fucking.
Because we live in Utah, you got to understand.
Literally the children, I understand that there's phases of what's cool to wear.
Like skinny jeans is good to wear and now skinny jeans is out and now we're wearing white-like pants.
And whatever, follow the trend.
Like they're trends in fashion.

(21:35):
And the kids here, we went to a firework show and they are identical.
Their curls are identical.
Their t-shirts are identical.
Their pants are identical.
They're wearing the exact same shoes.
Like it's like four pairs of shoes that are acceptable to wear and they all wear them.
It's fucking weird.

(21:56):
And I thought, you know, you can't, I don't know.
I think it's social media.
I think that people see what looks cute on social media and then they just regurgitate it.
It's the capitalism that,
that fight club is critiquing.
Is it, everything is a carbon copy of a carbon copy.
Yes.
Of a carbon copy.
Yes.
So.

(22:17):
And maybe they need to do that.
Otherwise, we would all still be wearing suits and dresses every day.
Like they did in the 20s or whatever.
Well, I mean, no, I like, so like when people dress weird, I'm kind of like, that's fun.
Like you're choosing to not do what everybody else is doing.
You know, I don't like that.
Is when you don't, when you, when this is men, when men pretend to not care about fashion.

(22:43):
And then they just wear what they felt cool in in high school.
Uh-huh.
And they're 40.
So they've worn the same looking shit for, it's like, sketch your boots or whatever the fuck in a sweater.
It's like, you have to sketch your boots in a sweater.
I'm saying like, they only wear the same fucking stuff.

(23:04):
Like they never go outside.
They'll wear their, their, their sports jersey and a pair of Nike's.
Uh-huh.
Or a sleeveless shirt and shorts.
You are terrible at it.
You only wear, you have a uniform.
I do.
And I've yelled at you where I've been like, you can't just wear that only.
It's insane.

(23:25):
It turns out again.
I've been doing it for years.
It's cute.
Any him.
Well, think about how easy the laundry is.
Imagine if I was wearing just cute shit to walk around the house every day.
No, if you're only at the house, then who gives a shit?
No one becomes, well, I mean, except for you do podcast.
Well, I started dressing up for podcasts.
Okay, that's good.

(23:46):
Appearances, not mine.
Mine, they get healthy.
Okay, so still, I feel like at the end of you spend like a bunch of money on clothing for fashion.
And then you go to, you at least still have your clothes, your ugly blow up shoes or whatever the fuck they designed.
If you go and spend that money at like a concert, it's just, you might as well light your money on fires.

(24:12):
Well, it's a memory, you know.
It's a terrible memory with a bunch of people who have been, have BO.
And you sat in traffic the whole time.
It's the people, it's the traffic and it's the people.
I agree with that.
You're too close to too many dumb people.
Yes.
And they get this hive mind thing.

(24:34):
That's why all those people got trampled to death.
Because people are idiots in masses.
Yes.
They really are.
Okay, go ahead.
Oh, and I forgot to mention the audio.
There's a big, there's a big resurgence in playing the clips of the weird audio that was playing before the concert.
Oh, really?
Because what had happened was there was two stages.

(24:55):
One stage had a bunch of other acts all day long for the first day of the concert.
And at the end of the first night, all the sheep will march over to Travis Scott's set.
They were children.
All the children would go over to the Travis Scott mountain stage.
For just the Travis Scott part of the show.

(25:18):
And that was it.
Okay.
And if you went over to the Travis Scott side of the thing, they were playing this really weird sounded like what's that thing called a.
So wacky sound of thing.
What?
The therium.
What do they call that?
A theory.
Therium.
I have no foot.
I don't know what you're talking about.

(25:39):
Therium.
Ugh.
I don't know what it is.
So we get her recording late at night.
I know.
Sorry, guys.
Listen up, folks.
I got that methylene blue.
Trying to plug me into the socket is not working.
It doesn't matter.
Well, now I'm interested.
There's a there's a musical instrument.
That you hear it in like 70s movies that I've seen them a lot in like satanic 70s movies.

(26:06):
Atheraman.
Oh, you know what atheraman is?
No.
You don't know what atheraman is.
No.
It's a well, look it up.
You can hear it.
What's a play it?
What do you mean play it?
Was it not a fucking sound?
I don't know.
I don't know how to play it.
Oh, we got ads on YouTube.
I'm not doing YouTube for you.
Forget it.
Look it up.
There are mints.
Anyway, it sounded like a therapist.

(26:27):
Woo.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Okay.
And.
I know what you mean.
And it was playing all day and people were like this is really bizarre.
And some people claim that it's this really weird frequency.
I don't know how they know that.
Oh, I've been kind of looking into frequencies.
Oh, okay.

(26:48):
I'm not saying I don't.
Like, you're really frequency and stuff like that.
Yeah.
And I don't disagree with it.
What is it?
Nine point.
What?
I don't know whatever this is.
Like how the Nazis change the frequency of the music from 432 to whatever.
Yeah.
I don't truly understand what that means, but.
I don't either.
Okay.
Frequency is one of these things that I don't understand.
We talked about a ton in electronics engineering all the time.

(27:11):
And every time I'd be like, I don't understand what we're doing here.
Okay.
It was just always confusing to me.
I understand how to formulate and stuff, but I don't understand.
I don't know how to explain what it is.
Or when they say the music changed to 432 Hertz.
I don't know how to explain that.
I don't know what that means.
Okay.
So there are plenty of much weird frequency music that people claim is this ultra low frequency.

(27:34):
That's known for agitating people.
With the idea that he was stoking on this.
Like getting people riled.
Yeah.
Okay.
And in one of my many episodes I did on Travis Scott.
Because I'm not a Travis Scott fan.
Like I never liked the guy to begin with.
Really?
Some of the songs are good.
I like a lot of his music actually.

(27:55):
He's like, uh.
[laughter]
He's like, "Rig Ross."
He's like, "Rig Ross."
I hate Rick Ross.
I like a lot of the songs.
Saying those are Travis Scott.
You're fucking crazy.
Okay.
Actually, like a lot of his appearances.
You sound like Rick James on Dave Chappelle show.

(28:20):
I put my field ready for his scout.
So yeah.
Oh yeah.
I put my field ready for his scout.
But I'm not a huge Travis Scott fan.
It's complicated.
Okay.
Sure.
So he at his concerts in one of my episodes I discussed this,
he's known for provoking violence from his fans, from the concert.

(28:42):
Oh he is.
He tells them.
Yes.
He tells them.
He'll stop the show and be like, "You guys aren't being violent enough.
I need you to really go for it."
Oh.
A paraphrasing.
But that's basically his thing.
And now, and I thought it was so bizarre because I was like,
his music is kind of chill in my opinion.
It's not violent music.
It's not violent music.
So it's weird to me that at the concerts he's pushing for these people to beat each other

(29:07):
up.
And there's a clip of him that they play on the Netflix documentary where I guess Travis
jumps in the crowd and someone, I don't know, grabs his shoe.
And he yells at the fan and tells the other fans to beat him up.
And they did?
Yeah.
That's fucking crazy.
He's an asshole.
So like part of, so anyway, well, anyway, I just wanted to get that.

(29:30):
And I was like, "I don't think he's above watching his fans die.
I really don't.
I think he's possessed by the devil."
That's my personal belief in opinion.
I have nothing to support that besides me being an asshole, Heyder.
I just think he's a weird dude.
And I've been talking about him since 2014.
I just don't like violent people.
Yeah, he's got nerd anger.

(29:50):
He was a nerd.
Yeah, okay.
He was a nerd.
Oh my god.
Yes.
Okay.
He was a nerd.
And this is nerd anger.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, he looks cool now.
He was a nerd when he was in high school.
Okay.
So was Drake, wasn't he?
You know, Drake was at the concert too, watching people get murdered.

(30:14):
Oh, he was.
Yes.
He came out of the, in Travis Scott's, like at the end, he came out and they did, what's
that sickle mode?
Interesting.
Yeah.
There it is, huh?
Fucking nerds, man.
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But you got to kind of be nerdy to be in the music.
So there is a different breed of nerd though.

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Yeah.
Remember when we, they were real, nerds used to be real distinctive.
Like Hessians were really into music.
Yeah.
Nerdy Hessians.
Yeah.
Not fucking nerds.
This is like, I'm going 80s style.
Yeah.
80s style, you had like the spazes and the spazes.

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And then you had the dirty nerds like the boogers.
But then you had like the really smart nerds who were like into computer or they were like
into politics or they were, you know, like data from the goonies.
Yeah.
Exactly.
They were in a math and math club, you know, and you were, they were different nerds back

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then.
I agree.
Now, they're everything is morphed into one where they all just are fucking filled with
rage.
They all watch anime.
They stink.
You know, they get online and they talk to their buddies and jerk off to what's the anime
porn.

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The Hentai.
Hentai.
Yeah.
It's very strange.
Anyway, we've all morphed into the same fucking person.
We need to break out.
This is what's so boring about us now.
We need to find categories.
Yeah.
I want my Hessians wearing Metallica shirts and smell like Marble Reds.
Yeah.

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I want my nerds with glasses and geeky shit and high waters.
Yes.
Anyway.
Now, the hot boys are wearing high waters.
Oh, it's all turned around.
You know what I blame Weezer.
Remember when Weezer came out and Weezer was kind of nerdy?

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Even one of those dudes' wife kills somebody recently.
Oh, sorry.
I don't know.
Yeah, I think that happened.
Can you pick your cord up?
I've almost kicked it like 50 fucking times.
Good swinging your little tuts now.
I have attention deficit.
Dick.
All right.
So Michelle made me in this interview.

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She says, wait, let me back up.
So I was talking about how Travis Scott, okay.
Yeah, that's.
He has nerd anger.
He has nerd anger.
He wants everyone to be each other up with his mid music.
He's like, listen, start the shot.
Now punch that bitch in the face.

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It's so weird to me.
Anyway, so Michelle lay me says, I've been working backstage with Travis Scott.
He wants his own environment.
A mix of recording studio with plenty of couches and long seating areas, but he also needed
a chair.
So we created a stool with an antler as the backrest.
It fits with the raw aesthetic we were going for as if we were in the woods picking up materials

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and building something on the spot.
Do you see the chair?
I want to see what the chair looks like.
Yeah, I got a photo of it.
Now I'm going to pull it up.
So anyway, the photos are of that.
That's what the photos are.
He takes a fucking pouch everywhere.

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Well he doesn't, but he has a crew that does.
Yeah.
I guess.
I mean, he needed a long pouch.
He didn't talk about it in the interview.
They should.
I saw a crew like where does he put this?
Where does he put it in his hotel room?
Well, they have trailers.
They have trailers that follow the artist around.

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Oh, so he's in a trailer.
And the roadies will assemble whatever he needs to assemble there.
And there's the photo of the chair with the mousse antler.
Yeah.
Well, a box or a chair.
Look at those big old subwoofers though.
Man, those are like 20 inch subs.
Anyway, the point is these are the photos everyone's talking about.

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Wait a second.
Is that in, does he just have a, did he design a trailer?
That's just a trailer.
That's all the information I have for you.
I don't know the answers to you asking me.
I like to know the logistics.
I wish I spent more time, but I did.
Okay.
That's as far as I knew.
Sorry.

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That's fine.
But it would make more sense if he just had a fucking trailer.
Like why not just get a camping trailer and then outfit the trailer with his stupid box
that they stained.
Maybe it's not what big enough.
Who knows?
Well, like all those trailers extend whenever.
So that's what the, that's what the photos are all about.

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Okay.
A lot of people are very confused about this.
You know, people on social media, it's amazing how many followers you can get by just not
doing any research and just throwing up an image and talking about it with your opinion.
Isn't it amazing?
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
How many people are content creators that literally just, there's a new headline on the news?

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Here's the news headline and here's what I think.
Yeah.
I mean, it's weird, isn't it weird?
So that's what it is for the people that are confused about what's going on here.
Now the reason why the photographs are kind of artistic is because of Nick Knight, this very
famous photographer that came to shoot the photos.

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He directed several music videos for Kanye West, for Lady Gaga, even Travis Scott's previous
album, Burns in the trap.
He directed Kanye West, short film called Jesus' King and so on.
So he, of course, is guiding the art of the photos.

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Okay.
It has pretty cool photos to be fair, you know?
Okay.
Of course, a little weird because that's art.
Art supposed to be a little weird.
Yeah.
Then, so let's talk about Michelle Lamy.
She was born into the fashion industry in 1944.
Her family was big into fashion, apparently, in the industry.

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She actually worked as a 44.
1944.
She's 81 years old.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
How old is her boyfriend?
He's like 60.
Oh, okay.
Still pretty weird.
Well, wait, she's 84 and he's 60.
Yeah, so it's like a 20 year age gap.

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Okay.
That's not the end of the world, I guess.
I don't know, I'm reading a horny book for there's that age gap.
Oh, okay.
Oh, what do they call that?
Age gap.
Oh, so that's the name of the king.
The king.
Yeah.
Well, no, it's like the genre, age gap.
Oh, okay.
That's really good.
Okay.
What's the name of the book for the praise?

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Praise, all right.
What is it?
The salacious.
For all the smut peddlers out there.
Salacious players club.
Oh.
So she, Michelle Lamy actually was a lawyer for a period of time.
Oh, okay.
And during this time, she was exposed to philosophy and particularly a philosopher named

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Gilles De Lous.
Okay.
And that name rang a bell for me because that is one of the guys who inspired the dark
enlightenment.
Really?
Yes.
So, I mean, right off to that, I don't really like a firm, Michelle Lamy.
Really fast.
When was he?
He died in, I think the 1990s.
So, you know, 1920s to 1990s.

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Okay.
So, I got 1980s maybe even.
What's the dark, the quickest dark enlightenment?
The dark enlightenment is the philosophy.
I think we were supposed to do a show about this.
It's the philosophy guiding these tech nerds who want to put us into their dystopian
hellscape of surveillance and AI governance.

(38:56):
Okay.
Because they think they're going to create this perfect world because their perfect and technology
is always perfect and never fails.
Right.
So, that's the dark.
Unless you have a Bluetooth speaker or you try to attach your phone to your fucking
car.
Or there's one update that cripples your entire shit.

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Yeah, the dark enlightenment is basically the inversion of the enlightenment.
The enlightenment was all about, hey, people need freedoms and they need to pursue their own
happiness.
Okay.
And we need to make sure we create a world where we can maximize that.
And the dark alignment is the opposite.
They fucking name, they told you right off the bat.
Like, this is the opposite of that.

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This is us putting you in your fucking place.
Oh, yeah.
That's my corny book.
Oh, dear.
Oh, my had that turn on.
That turn on at the safest part of that book.
I heard you listening to this book.
That was the safest thing I've ever heard from your book.

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A naughty filthy book.
It is.
It is.
It is.
It is pretty naughty.
But, Jill did lose.
This was a French philosopher and he was a predecessor.
That's actually my, that's actually my nightmare is my book to turn on when I'm not expecting
it.

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I'll bet.
I'll bet.
That's like if I had porn loaded on my phone and just, oh, I feel like, oh, my god.
Okay.
So the dark enlightenment is there's two main philosophers that both still alive and still
awful.
Curtis Yarvan and Nick Land.
And JD Vance is really into Yarvan.

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Oh, yeah.
They love it.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nick Land is interesting because he was part of the CCRU collective in the 90s and they
were doing all this weird occult stuff, channeling entities and God knows what else.
Specifically for AI.
Uh-huh.
Let's try to bring about this sort of singularity moment in a way.

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But anyways, he was studying Jill DeLos.
She was.
Nick Land was.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Nick Land and Michelle Leighmey, both of them, who's, oh, and Nick Land is the photographer.
No, sorry.
Jesus Christ.
Nick Land is the philosopher behind the dark enlightenment.

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Nick Land is a philosopher behind the dark enlightenment.
Him and Curtis Yarvan are the two sort of architects of this.
Okay.
And that is the philosopher that Michelle was into.
Oh, my God.
What?
Jill DeLos was a philosopher into, I think, of virtuality and a lot of the ideas that of this

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sort of technological evolution of mankind stuff.
Okay.
And he was very famous.
Michelle Leighmey was into him.
Got it.
Nick Land was into him.
Oh, I understand.
Okay.
Yeah.
And if you read the, the lampoon magazine interview, they talked about DeLos.

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She said, after boarding school, I made a decision.
I don't regret.
I enrolled in law school and studied to become an attorney.
While I was there, I found myself drawn to the philosophy and literature university in
lion, which was just next door.
For two years, DeLos was teaching in lion and I attended his class on Alice in Wonderland
and the mirror, which later inspired his book.

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It's French.
I can't read it.
Okay.
Um, then I think they're, I don't know if they're quoting from the book, says DeLos.
It felt like surfing a wave.
You're holding onto something, going with the flow.
Not always sure what he was saying, but somehow understanding on a deeper level.

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His words had a way of revealing something that stayed with you.
After that, I followed him to La Borde where we were involved in making a film.
The story we wanted to tell was about a mental institution where the patients supposedly
took over and locked up their guardians.
We attempted to create the several times, especially during the events of May 68 when

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we were living through the new Psychiatry movement.
At La Borde, Gutari and DeLos were there and I wanted to, well, I wanted to capture
that moment.
The film was never made because DeLos told us, if you want to be here, you're not just filming
people.
You have to live here and live their way.

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One day you were cooking with the, with the mentally, yes, the mental institution.
If you're here, you have to be in the mental institution.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
One day you were cooking.
The next you were witnessing electro shock therapy, which was for some the only way to bring
relief.

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Now, I find that interesting that they were talking about making this film.
Oh, man.
I lost my train of thought.
I'm sorry.
He talked about Allison Wonderland, which was interesting, right, with the mirror, because

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the mirror is the portal, right?
In Allison Wonderland, it's going through the looking glass.
Okay.
Oh, man, I don't know.
I lost it.
Maybe it'll come back to me.
Okay.
Oh, that's what it was.
Okay.
Got it.
So the idea was that they wanted a story about a mental institution where the patients would

(44:39):
take over and lock up the guardians.
Yes.
Now, that to me sounds very nostic.
The patients lock up the guardians.
And I equate that to the idea that we, because they have a nostic worldview, they think we
are prisoners in this prison planet.

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Okay.
So we are the mental institute patients, basically.
Yeah.
And it's about rebelling against God and then locking God up.
I think, I mean, that's just what I hear.
Okay.
And then she also compares Travis Scott to Marina Abramovich, who was the, you know, Marina

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Abramovich.
Yeah.
Well, she's an artist, but performance art, right?
Uh-huh.
Okay.
A lot of illuminate confirm there.
You guys really love taking care of that woman.
She's doing the blood ceremonies and her rituals and stuff, drawing blood pentagrams on

(45:43):
the wall and then she has that spirit cooking event that ties into Hillary Clinton and John
Podesta and all those people.
Has that tie into the hot?
Because she had these spirit cooking events where they were simulating cannibalism.
Okay.
Which a lot of people suggest is really happening by these elites.
They really are eating people.

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Okay.
And there was during the John Podesta leaked emails from WikiLeaks, the PTA emails.
Yes.
There, his brother, Tony Podesta was one of the people invited to attend Marina Abramovich's
spirit cooking events.
Okay.
And from there, it's speculation as to what all that means.

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And Tony Podesta was collecting some weird artwork.
Okay.
Of, I forget what it was called.
There's artwork of a decapitated person.
And that was also how...
Like realism or surrealism or what?
No.
It was just like a man, like a, what do you call it?

(46:50):
Like a, not a mannequin.
Like, what do you call it when you have like a, fucking, I don't know, what do you call it?
I don't know.
That's your job.
This is late.
This is too late.
It's too late.
I can't even think.
Not a mannequin, but there's a piece of art that looks like a person.
Statue.

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Statue.
Sort of laying in a weird way without a head.
Okay.
And that was also what Jeffrey Dahmer had positioned one of his dead people as.
Oh.
And cut his head off.
Okay.
Jesus.
Yeah.
It's weird.
The pizza game thing is weird as hell.
Okay.
I mean, the fact that no one wants to ever look into it and just straight up dismiss it as

(47:33):
a conspiracy theory is pretty alarming.
Yeah.
That's weird.
I mean, you might as well look into it.
Yeah.
At least explain to us.
What does it mean?
What are these emails mean?
What's that matter?
Why is that hard?
If it's nothing, then let it be nothing.
Yeah.
De-bunk it.
Yeah.
Who could the fuck?
Anywho.
So then she compares Travis Scott to Marina Brahmovich.

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And she says, we recently did a photo shoot with the--
Meaning that he's like a performance artist?
I'll tell you right now.
Oh.
She talks about this photo shoot.
She says, we recently did a photo shoot with Nick Knight featuring some of our large
furniture pieces.
What's happening is that these artists like Travis Scott are the poets of our time just
as Delus was in his.

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I'm drawn to the concept of time as it relates to poetry.
And I often turn to poets to express what I struggle to articulate myself.
I use poetry as a kind of dictionary for finding the right words, drawing heavily from Langston
Hughes among others.
This voice, this expression through the body and the voice, is a reflection of what Delus

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might describe as a delusion, a way of expressing something.
These performers resonate with what people are doing today, like Marina Abramovich's recent
show in London, where she had people experience seven minutes of silence at Glastonbury.
It's all part of the same continuum.
What?
These artists people are weird.

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Okay.
I'm not really sure exactly what she says, but I thought it was interesting.
She says, "I'm drawn to the concept of time as it relates to poetry because the CCRU
and Nick Land, they were really heavy in trying to understand space time and they had this
thing called Coutulu time."
That's what the cover is.
It's their visual depiction of what they were trying to get at.

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That time is manipulatable on some level by these alien entities.
Don't ask me.
I'm not sure if I can explain this to you.
But Gildel Luz or Giel Delus, let's talk about him for just a second, they were moving
on.

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French philosopher, he wrote books on ideas that were accelerationists, meaning, because
Nick Land and Curtis Jarvan are both accelerationists, as are the satanic neo-Nazi groups.
And what does that mean exactly?
Those are the techno libertarians.

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They think that we need to accelerate what's happening to humanity, this evolution into
AI and the technological singularity.
They think that these outdated ideas of the Enlightenment and the Constitution, inequality
and democracy, those are just slowing down the inevitable.

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We need to get rid of all those who need to burn down this whole government to the ground
and just let technology take us into the digital matrix hell that they planned for us.
Resistance is futile, they think.
That's upsetting.
And there's other artists like Jake and Dinos Chapman who also were part of the CCRU and

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also, he did a whole documentary about accelerationism explaining it.
And there's elements that I agree with.
Did you watch it?
Did you watch it?
I did.
The elements of it pointing out the flaws in capitalism, how it's just this...
Who is a capitalist?

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It just spirals down into...
It spirals down into making appliances that last four or five years instead of doing the
right thing.
Yeah, instead of having a great product, it's making a cheap product.
The expense of anything, it doesn't matter.

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Profit is the only motive and that's it.
They kind of are critical of capitalism in that sense.
They're like, "This is gross."
And I agree with them.
I'm like, "Yeah."
But I don't like their solution.
Yeah.
Like, you know how they...
This is like a car salesman 101, right?

(51:51):
Like the Greece, you know what I mean?
Like being a gross person, where they...
You take something that's true, what's that?
Get them to say yes five times and then...
Yeah, the yes ladder.
Yeah, the yes, this is like the yes ladder.
Well you like...
Tell me something.
Do you like having air conditioning when it's hot outside?
Yes, I do.

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Great, great, great.
Now, if I could get you into this car at a payment, you're going to Ford?
You'd have air conditioning today.
You'd like that, right?
Like it's going to out works.
Yes.
So they're hook and you win with like, "This is shit, right?"
Yeah.
And we're like, "Yes."
Yeah, they're yes laddering us.

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They're yes laddering us.
Into the digital matrix.
Yes.
Good point.
Good thought.
So this Gilles DeLauze wrote accelerationism books.
There's one called Capitalism and Schizophrenia that had two volumes in the 1970s.
And I got...

(52:53):
I downloaded it just at a curiosity.
I didn't read the whole thing.
Uh-huh.
Because philosophy is very difficult to read.
It is hard to read.
Oh my God.
I mean, it has to be your entire life.
Yes.
But it starts out and it says...
And the first chapter it says, "It isn't work everywhere, functioning smoothly at times,

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and at other times, it fits and starts.
It breathes.
It heats.
It eats.
It's shit's and fucks.
What a mistake to have ever said the id.
Everywhere it is machines.
Real ones.
Not figurative ones.
Machines driving other machines.
Machines being driven by other machines.

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With all the necessary couplings and connections, an organ machine is plugged into an energy source
machine.
The one produces a flow that the other interrupts.
The breast is a machine that produces milk.
And the mouth a machine coupled to it.
The mouth of the anorexic wavers between several functions.
Its possessor is uncertain as to whether it is an eating machine, an anal machine, a talking

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machine, or a breathing machine.
You guys love hearing themselves fucking talk, don't they?
Yeah.
Anyway, the whole thing is a...
It's a very nihilistic view of humanity, right?
Like it's basically saying we're...
And it's very much...

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What are they saying that we're the machines?
Yeah.
Like we're just a bunch of fucking stupid, programmable, disgusting pieces of shit.
It's how I read it.
I could be...
Look, and Kavya, I could be way off on all this because I'm not a philosopher and I barely
knew how to say his name until I listen to a 20-minute podcast about him today.
So if there's some philosophy nerd out there who's going to be like, "No."

(54:43):
Yeah.
Okay, maybe you got me.
I don't... this is just how I view it.
Okay.
Please double check my thoughts.
So they're nihilistic?
Yeah, because all of these people, from my point of view, Nick Land, Curtis Jarvin,
this delus guy...
They have...
He hates humanity.
Yeah, they have this hatred of humanity.
They think...

(55:04):
And it's very much like Agent Smith and the Matrix where he's like, "You guys are a
virus you're disgusting."
And I don't hold that view.
I get how they come to that conclusion though.
And people are pretty awful sometimes, but I don't...
Yeah, but the masses believe that.
If you pulled any of our friends, if you got any of our people together, they would talk

(55:26):
about how they hate people.
They hate being around humans.
Yeah.
I just had a whole diatribe about how I hate going to concerts and how their mouth breathers
and sheeple.
Yes.
So literally, it's hard because it's like when you put...
And you just said that when you get a hive mentality when you get groups of people together.

(55:53):
They're sheeple.
Sheeple.
Yep.
Just like in India where they have 30 men that will rape a woman, to death.
To death.
How do you find 30 fucking men to rape a doctor in a hospital?
No.
To death.
Crazy.

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It's crazy, huh?
Yeah, there's something weird.
So what's wrong with what they're saying?
We're all saying it.
Yeah.
And yet nobody is stopping it.
There's some truth to it.
I just don't like their solution.
I agree.
Okay.
So I ran...
You know what I heard?

(56:34):
Huh.
I wanted to double check it.
Maybe you'll double check it for me.
What's it when you hear shit when you're schizophrenic?
Yeah, that's the bookstitled capitalism and schizophrenia.
I heard today that schizophrenia is almost exclusively a disease for people in poverty.
Really?
Yes.
Why is that like malnutrition or something?

(56:55):
That's what I...
Who knows?
They don't know.
Oh, that's weird.
Isn't that fucking crazy?
So I wonder if that's what I think I think it's either the stress, the constant stress
of not having enough or malnutrition.
Or trauma.
Just like too much of a trauma.
Maybe it's a combination of the thing.

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But maybe that...
So they put everybody in this impoverished place, right?
Because nobody wants to pay anybody a decent fucking wage.
But it traumatizes and creates mental illness.
Just by not having basic needs met and overworked and traumatized.

(57:42):
And then they're like, "Look at this.
Look what a bunch of fucking pieces of shit we all are."
It's like, "You made this.
This is the same with the fucking Republicans who sit there and say, "Look at government.
It's inefficient and doesn't work well.
Why do we have it?
Elect me into government."
Yeah.
You just said you didn't fucking like it.
What are you talking about?

(58:02):
No.
So it's the same fucking thing.
Look out.
You put everybody in these positions and then you're like, "What a bunch of pieces of
shit."
Maybe humanity wouldn't be a piece of shit if you didn't fucking stop it into the ground
and take everything.
That's one of the quotes from 1984 is about...

(58:23):
What do they say?
Something about a boot stomping your face forever and ever.
You hear that?
No.
Easy.
That's a dark book.
No.
Any him.
You should look that out while I'm doing this.
Oh.
Okay.
Look up.
Look up.
1984 quote, "Boot stomping the face."
I don't remember the quote.
Anyway, so I ran this...

(58:44):
G-Geeel DeLos book, Capitalism is Kids Ifrenia.
I ran it by Chad G.B.D.
Because I'm not reading this nonsense.
And it tells me...
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human's face forever.
Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ.
Psychopaths are trying to do.

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As I will talk about in my 1984 book club, coming soon.
This summer, folks, on my podcast.
Chad G.B.D. said that this book is talking about a thing called "Deterialization."
Oh, I can't even say it.
Capitalization.
It's basically about how systems like capitalism will eventually break down all spaces, identity,

(59:31):
and structures, which is exactly what the accelerationists think.
So they're like, "Good, it's you."
Capitalism, capitalism will break down identity and what?
Structure and spaces.
It's like...
What does that fuck mean?
It'll destroy everything.
Oh, okay.
Destroy the earth.
Destroy humanity.
Capitalism.
Yeah.

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Which is kind of what idiocracy shows us, right?
Okay.
Like, it's going to be us eating buckets of cheese with our crawls in your shirt.
It's a baiting.
A bait and go away, baiting.
And then my horny book turns on.
God dammit.
You're going to put a hole in your chair to sit.

(01:00:14):
It's like you're doing a movie.
You're going to burn, dude.
My phone just burned the shit out of me.
But the book talks about bodies without organs and breaking free from imposed structures and
forms and functions.
And what that means, in my opinion, is referencing us going into the digital matrix.

(01:00:38):
They think they have this view that like, "Oh, people will not do the right thing.
Capitalism is terrible."
You know what?
And this human body is just gross.
It's a virus.
And we just--
We need a body's arc kind of gross.
We pursue just pleasures and that's it.
Let's just get rid of all this.

(01:00:59):
Like, these people have a real, like, satanic view of mankind.
It's so weird to me how dark they view all of us.
And what the body without organs is the digital matrix.
Okay.
You know?
Like, if you have this view of humanity and you're like, people are gross and disgusting.
And they can't be trusted to do the right thing.

(01:01:21):
They think that, "I know.
Let's put us all into the digital matrix run by AI that'll make the right decisions."
And that'll be the right solution.
And this delus--
He had a lot of influences.
And when I read a lot of this stuff about--
I thought that that was the--
This is what I don't understand.
In the matrix, the matrix was the bad guy.

(01:01:44):
Like, that was the thing we were all trying to get out of.
Right.
And I was like, "I am.
Those were the good guys."
Okay.
But now the tech people who love fucking the matrix--
Yeah, presumably--
Are like trying to put people into their thing?
That's what I think.
That's where I think this goes, yeah.
Okay.

(01:02:04):
And a lot of the-- a lot of the-- like, nine-inch nails and stuff and the industrial rock.
Like, they sort of--
It echoes a lot of these ideas.
Interesting.
Like, nine-inch nails, you know?
And turns out Delus influenced Genesis P.O. Ridge, who was the godfather of--

(01:02:26):
Yeah, okay.
Industrial rock.
And Michelle Leighme.
Now, to wrap up the story about Delus, he would eventually commit suicide.
And that's why a lot of these views of these nihilist views--

(01:02:46):
The same goes for religion, right?
If someone wants to tear apart Christianity, they'd have a lot of good arguments.
And I get those.
And I hear those, and I think, yeah, maybe, huh?
But I choose not to live that way because I feel like that takes you down to this Frederick
Nietzsche nihilist path and the next thing you know, you're jumping out of your apartment.

(01:03:07):
But this is the problem with human beings is that we're all--all or nothing, mindsets.
You can't just enjoy shit.
You can't just be like, "Okay, I'll go to the church without becoming a fanatic.
I can't go to--I can't enjoy superhero movies without being a stinky fucking nerd."

(01:03:32):
I can't--you know what I mean?
Like, they have to--
I can't enjoy watching football.
I have to be fanatical about it.
There's no enjoyment of shit.
It's like the thing of being all-consuming.
You have to be the person that knows everything about the thing.
Yeah, it's the capitalist programming, right?

(01:03:54):
Same goes for people wearing the rock shirts and someone--you know, the videos will say
the name five songs.
Yeah, it's just this--it's like, I don't know, the fucking shirt's cool.
Yeah.
It's weird.
Why are we like this?
So fucking just enjoy something.
What the fuck is wrong with you?

(01:04:17):
The--okay, so--back to Michelle Leigh-Me.
You think that's capitalism?
That makes us--it's like, you can't--everything makes you do that.
Churches at capitalist, is it?
Or are you just saying that?
Yeah, of course.
Churches are so capitalist.
It's--a half of those are built just to get tax-heltered money.
That they can write off all these weird expenses like, oh, yeah, we're going to--we're doing

(01:04:42):
a mission over in Europe.
We've got to head over to Europe.
They never go to Europe.
They never go to Europe.
Come on.
They go to Africa a lot.
I don't think that's a fun thing.
But then they want the government to take down all of the funding for Africa.
I don't know anything about that.
Stupid fucking idiots.

(01:05:03):
Well, yeah, I think most churches are just con artists trying to make tax-heltered dollars
and get a little pussy on the side, you know what I mean?
Or butthole.
Or butthole.
I think most of them are pretty gross.
No offense to churches, you know?

(01:05:26):
I just think orthodoxy was the right thing.
I just think orthodoxy was the right one from the jump and everything just spout further
and further from the truth from there.
So when people have the rock band churches, I'm like critical of that.
I'm critical of it.
I'm very critical of it because I'm like, hmm.
They're also the ones that are sitting there.
I'll tell you, we went to church, like in church, butts and pews, every book club, every

(01:05:52):
fucking, everything.
We didn't miss a thing.
How many times did they talk about masturbation?
Zero.
Never.
How many times did they talk about premarital sex?
Zero.
It's just not a fucking.
They didn't fucking, they did not talk about it.
The modern American church has become a culture war thing.

(01:06:13):
Yes.
And they're all weird Zionists that want to rebuild the Temple of Solomon and all this
crazy stuff.
Yes.
Which we talked about in the last episode.
Which drove a lot of crazy comments, by the way.
Oh boy, people had opinions for sure.
That was interesting, that new world order show.
That's a hard one.
It is a tough one.
Okay.
Let's finish Michelle Lamey.

(01:06:35):
I got a lot to get through here.
We got to accelerate this show.
Oh my God.
Are you in the Illuminati?
Confirm me.
So anyway, she married Rick Owens.
She met him in 1984, they did a clothing line called Lamey.
Then in 2004, a company called Owens Corp, that they described as "asking a gypsy to

(01:07:02):
organize a war with a fascist."
Because Rick Owens is really into like brutalist architecture and stuff.
And doesn't it all make sense?
I think people hear that and they think it's like a cool artsy fucking, ooh yeah, that's
tough.
No.
Like what do you talk about brutalism or what?
No, the fascist thing.
Oh, okay.
She's obviously the gypsy, I would think.

(01:07:24):
Oh, okay.
And he's, I don't know.
Maybe I don't know what that statement means.
But when I hear that, I think, oh, so just like all this weird dark enlightenment stuff,
there's this weird bedfellows with Nazi fascism shit.
What's the quote again?
The company is described as asking a gypsy to organize a war with a fascist.

(01:07:49):
Because there's this close relation of this dark enlightenment stuff with, yeah.
Okay.
And then let's see here.
Then I read a different interview with Height Beast and they said, they asked her, they said,
"People find it quite hard to describe what someone in your role Michelle does."

(01:08:13):
It's interesting that you said developer before, people often call you a muse.
You find that quite annoying?
And she said, "I think they should Google the word muse because people say that a lot.
But I think people just say it when they don't know what to say.
Attymologically, it implies someone who lounges is around.

(01:08:35):
That's not what I do.
It's better to escape this word."
Then Rick Owen says, "But you won't.
So you better get used to it."
Like I had to get used to golf.
I think it's more mate than muse.
Mates suggest you are doing something together.
So, her and Rick are...

(01:08:57):
Is she a designer or is she just the muse to the designer?
I think that's the confusing part of this.
They worked together to design things.
Is she a muse?
Apparently not.
She's a mate.
Either way, she worked with, I'm almost done.
We're almost done with this.
Not an Netflix.

(01:09:18):
She worked with a bunch of rappers, like ASAP Rocky.
There's this influence that a lot of rappers get into art.
J.Z., ASAP Rocky, Kanye West, Travis Scott.
And she apparently is one of these figures that's down to introduce them to the other world.
Which is why Rick Owen's did a...

(01:09:40):
Man, remember he did those converses that had the pentagrams on them?
That was a big to do.
Was there blood in them?
That was Lil Nas X.
Oh, okay.
Which I...
Maybe did he do those with the Rick Owens?
I don't remember.
Anyway, she strange Rick Owens is strange and Travis Scott is weird too.

(01:10:02):
And they're all closely related to the darken light met and Marina Brahma that's in
all these strange people.
Okay.
Now, briefly.
The Netflix documentary.
I thought I had the name of this.
Jamie, look up.
Netflix.
Oh, here I go.

(01:10:23):
Got it.
Trainwreck, the Astral World tragedy.
All right.
So I watched it.
And I think that they are trying to make this documentary to put the blame on Live Nation,
the concert company.
Did you get sued or something?

(01:10:44):
Did Travis Scott say it?
Yeah, we'll get to that after the Netflix talk.
And I think it's documentary is trying to put the blame on Live Nation.
Okay.
And not Travis.
That's what I think.
Okay.
But I think it's actually also a distraction from what really happened, which is satanic

(01:11:05):
fear mongering time.
Either way, they're trying to deflect it from Travis Scott over to Live Nation.
Okay.
And Live Nation is a company who puts on basically every concert you've ever got it.
I would argue a monopoly, maybe.
Okay.
And there's a part of the movie.

(01:11:27):
And you know, Netflix bugs me.
Their interface shows you how much time is left in the movie, not how far into the movie
you are.
Okay.
When I watch it on my phone.
Okay.
So at the negative one hour mark, whatever the fuck that is, there's a photographer that's
talking about how she would do a ton of photographs for a variety of artists, particularly

(01:11:50):
Travis Scott.
Okay.
And Live Nation contact her.
They said, Hey, we're going to put you on the Astral World 2021 concert.
Do you think?
And they said that they wanted a bunch of photos showing like fans acting crazy.

(01:12:14):
Okay.
Rushing gates.
And they're like, we want to promote 2021.
So like, give us a bunch of photos of the past of fans rushing the gates and acting.
Didn't that happen there though?
It did.
And it happens often, right?
It's like fans acting crazy.
But what's weird is that Live Nation told her they wanted to promote the 2021 Astral World

(01:12:39):
by showing these images.
So they did that and then sure enough, what happens?
The fans crashed the gates at Astral World and knocked down the fences and now you had an
unknown amount of people.
Okay.
We pause for a second.
You said in 2021, they wanted to promote the the 2021 tour of Astral World.

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In Texas by using photos of people crashing gates in 2021.
Of people just acting crazy and sort of like rushing the gates and things.
So was this the first concert of the Astral World?
No, this is the third Astral World concert.

(01:13:25):
But they got with her to get photos of fans just acting crazy to promote this because they
wanted to put out photos to say, oh my God, everyone's going to be crazy.
You got to go to the Astral World in 2021, you know, like the sunsickers.
But she's literally at the 2021 tour.
I don't understand.
How are you going to she had previous concert photos of fans doing crazy stuff?

(01:13:46):
So they're asking for previous.
Yes.
Not 2021 concert photos.
And they wanted.
They wanted more in 2021 when this would happen.
Okay.
My point is that they knew it was going to happen.
Yes.
They stoked it and they provoked it and then it happened.
And they told her the whole like we're going to set this up and you're going to take all

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these photos.
And that's exactly what happened is all the fans broke down the gates.
Interesting.
Because they were informed to do that.
People are like, this is how you act in concerts.
I believe that also with reality TV.

(01:14:30):
We have lost the ability to have like conflict resolution, like a normal conflict resolution.
Like now everybody has to throw drinks in each other's face and scream at each other and
run over people.
Like they think that that's how you know how you deal with conflict resolution.
Somebody pisses me off.
I throw a drink in their fucking face or get an a fist fight in a dress.

(01:14:51):
Monkey see monkey do.
It's crazy.
Yeah, it is.
That's why I think there's an illuminati because I do think we're programmable.
They know what they're doing.
They have literally all the cards and resources.
And that's why you know, some people are more dangerous than others and trying to wake people

(01:15:13):
up to this.
What do you mean?
Like you?
Are you dangerous?
Yes.
That's why I get suppressed.
That's why you are dangerous.
Because they know this is exactly like Beatlemania.
They were manufactured.

(01:15:33):
It was manufactured from the beginning.
When they came to America they paid all these girls to scream and act fanatical and then
what happens?
That really happens.
Because people are like, oh, that's what we do.
That's what they do.
Huh.
Interesting.
So.
Also a spot here.
So then what did people see again?
Why are you guys going to concerts?

(01:15:55):
Look at me.
This is fucking dumb.
Yeah.
You got a bunch of junk teenage dudes with Edgar haircuts all hopped up on monsters.
With llama haircuts.
They're all with fluffy bangs.
Yeah.
You're--
I feel like did.
Jumping around, mashing on your face.
What a nightmare.
Everybody has BO.
It's--
Why?
You know what?

(01:16:16):
This whenever I get into a crowd, do you know what I smell?
Be I smell onions and I smell mildew.
Why is every-- why did crowds of people smell like fucking mildew?
Like they don't pull their fucking laundry out of the wash fast enough.
Well, it's wrong with you.
During that documentary, I didn't have this in my notes.

(01:16:36):
But during that documentary, they had-- they were interviewing a bunch of people.
They were like, I love Astro World.
Oh my god.
They'll do all that gushing.
And they had the one person who waited in line to buy merchandise, the shirts and stuff.
They said they waited four hours to get a shirt.
Fuck off.
To get an over-priced shirt.
That you could literally get online.

(01:16:58):
Well, I don't know if you can get them online.
I guess the appeal is that you can only get them at the concert.
Like, when I got the Eddie Money shirt, at the Eddie Money concert, that he signed, you can
buy them online.
[laughter]
What'd you do with that shirt?
I think we gave it to the goodwill.
We did.

(01:17:18):
Because it doesn't--
Nobody gives a shit.
Somebody out there was like, dude.
Is this an Eddie Money signature?
It was.
Okay.
You know, you made me-- you got real excited about that kind of stuff.
And then I started doing it.
I got an embrose shirt.
[laughter]

(01:17:39):
You got an embrose shirt.
You still have that?
No.
No.
No.
Maybe, maybe I do.
You didn't get rid of this.
I fucking love embrose, though.
I know.
It's so you.
[laughter]
See, we like concerts.
I just like em in the park.
You're Rick James.
[laughter]
I don't like concerts.

(01:17:59):
Oh, yeah.
I got a concert shirt.
An embrose shirt.
[laughter]
I like things real fucking chill.
I don't want to walk--
I don't want to walk very far.
I don't want to smell one fucking person that smells like nothing.
There's just too many people.
There's too many people.
It's too big concerts.

(01:18:20):
It's-- yes.
It's too much.
And crowds are frightening.
Okay, go.
So they're going through the whole thing, like, whatever.
I don't know.
It's so weird watching the fan obsessions with this.
Anyway, they list a bunch of his previous incitements at concerts, which I covered in
Depth and Part, I think, two of my series.

(01:18:42):
Okay.
And then they play the concert.
And I didn't notice this when I watched the full concert back when it happened.
His first song that he comes out to is Escape Plan.
And the lyrics talked about opening up gates, which makes all the sense in the world because

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that's what this was.
This was a giant portal.
Because this concert stage was only to be used by Travis Scott.
This was a ritualized event.
Okay.
It was only for Travis Scott.
And he comes out to Escape Plan talks about opening up gates, which was ironic because people
could not escape this horrible situation of getting crushed.

(01:19:31):
They couldn't escape because there was no plan, right?
Don't you think that's weird?
I think it's weird.
You're not following that.
It's a bit much.
It's final.
I love how your mind works.
I'm throwing all of it out there.
I love it.
And they even play the, you said you brought, you're the one that saw this.

(01:19:53):
You saw this part when the people left the first stage to go through the finale of the
Travis Scott stage.
They had four spaces they could go.
But of course, people are going to go to the closest one because they're stupid.
And that's why the left hand side of the state, the crowd was overcrowded and people got

(01:20:14):
trampled.
They chose the left hand path.
Oh, yeah.
I remember I said that.
I remember I said that.
Yeah.
The left hand path is the path of antinomianism.
It's the path of Satan.
All right.
And then they even played a little clip that some that the people working the concert had

(01:20:36):
the capability, the engineers of the people who have talked into Travis's earpiece to tell
him what was going on.
And they did say something to Travis.
They said something.
What it was, what do you think it was?
They put pause the fucking concert.
Yeah.
Don't you think that Shirley have been told to him?
I think so.

(01:20:58):
When people are having heart attacks and shit in the crowd.
Yeah.
And there's literally people screaming at people working there like, oh my god, there's
a chant like stop the show.
Stop the show.
Yeah.
So why did they back the fuck up?
Back the fuck up.
Yeah.
Wake up, man.

(01:21:18):
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Anyway.
So now if we go back, let's rewind to 2023.
All the lawsuits against Travis Scott.
He was clear to all wrongdoing.
And they s live nation.
I think settled out of court.
Don't quote me on that.
Someone set out a court with a lot of the people victims because there was like 10 people
that died.

(01:21:40):
There's conspiracies I've heard that actually makes kind of make sense that they say they think
there's a lot more people that died than 10.
Really?
Yeah.
Based on the number of people involved and stuff.
But the debunked to that would be well, if it was 100 people, when you have 100 families
out there making a fuss to be like, hey, where's my kid on that list of victims?

(01:22:04):
You know what I mean?
You're right.
So like, I don't know if that holds a lot of weight, but interesting.
But if you got paid enough, you'd shut the fuck up, sign an NDA.
Oh, so you're thinking that they paid them off and they're like, okay.
But I would think there would be friends that weren't involved.
They'd be like, hey, my friend died or say, you know what I mean?
So flaky.
Okay.

(01:22:25):
But what's interesting is that in July of 2023, there was a 1266 page police report released
to the public, you know, two years later almost that showed a bunch of things.
One of them was that there was a contractual agreement with Apple that Travis Scott would
get paid $4.5 million if he, but only if he finished the concert.

(01:22:49):
So there's your motive.
Oh.
I'm going to read to you.
Well, why wouldn't they just pause the concert?
He didn't have to like not finish the concert.
He could have just said, hey, stop and get those get up.
Get all these dead people out of here.
Yeah.
Can we continue the show?
No, they couldn't do that.
Why could they?
Well, I mean, when they saw that they were having problems and they're saying stop the concert.

(01:23:12):
Why not just pause the car?
They showed how many different videos during the Travis Scott thing where they were showing
other artists saying, hey, stop.
Flip the lights on.
Knock that off.
Yeah.
Well.
And then they continued the fucking show.
Well, I think the second you won person did.
Oh.
Maybe that's different.

(01:23:33):
I'm going to read you from the web's the Houston Chronicle website, cron.com.
Noted on page 1096 of the Houston PD's report is a contractual agreement between Scott
and Apple Music.
The contract included five stipulations that would have to be fulfilled in order for Scott
to receive $4.5 million sum of those five acts.

(01:23:54):
One was to complete the show detectives also known their report.
The Apple Music appeared to have been brought on as a last minute partner to the festival
to help alleviate some of the debt the Travis Scott organization had accumulated by building
the mountain stage.
Adding Apple late in the game would bring about differences in the creative vision and disagreements

(01:24:16):
about camera placement.
According to Apple, personally, these issues were solved by the time Travis Scott's performance
took the stage.
News of the contract stipulations under which Scott performed shed new light on a deadly
event that safety experts have characterized as a largely a product of poor planning and
cut corners.

(01:24:36):
Days after the tragedy, Scott spoke to some Stephanie Rawlings Blake told CBS Mornings
that Scott had no authority to stop his performance.
They have a 59 page operations plan and it clearly says that only two people who have the
authority to stop the concert were the executive producer and concert producer.
Scott was not responsible for this, but he wants to be responsible for the solution.

(01:25:02):
Scott who continued to perform for 37 minutes after local officials declared the concert
a mass casualty event has denied any wrongdoing in the night's deadly crush and maintains
he was unaware of the dire conditions in the crowd.
He might ice water.
Where is it?

(01:25:22):
Where's that loud acid jug you drink out of?
Well, here's what else is interesting.
The same day that Houston Police report drops is the same day July 28, 2023 that Travis
Scott finally releases his album Utopia.
Oh my God.

(01:25:43):
So is your, are you saying that like he waited to drop his album?
So the people didn't talk about it.
The people talking about the album because you got the fans listening to the album instead
of like worrying about the police report.
You know, okay, but he likes violence.
Why wouldn't he just be like, oh, look, it's dangerous to go to my show.

(01:26:07):
Well, he didn't want it to be that he, he, remember he had that terrible apology video?
Actually, he was all shook up about it.
No, I don't remember that.
I think when people die, that's a different level, right?
And he was supposed to release that album.
He was.

(01:26:27):
People do drugs and they like it when the, when people die on the drugs or start OD and
they're like, oh, it's good shit.
Isn't that right?
Yeah.
I don't know that people die jumping out of fucking planes.
They still do that.
Like sometimes it's like a badge of honor.
Maybe, maybe that's how you think.
So maybe he's viewing it as the same.

(01:26:47):
He's like, no, I'm not using this as a way to cover up the police report.
I'm using it as like my name is the fucking news.
Oh, okay.
Maybe, yeah, maybe that's what he was supposed to release utopia with a launch event on July
28th at the pyramid of Giza, but the Egyptian government people said he was a Satanist and

(01:27:15):
canceled it.
But then live nation said, oh no, the Egyptian government listened to you.
Yeah, they do.
Live nation come out and was like, oh no, that's fake news.
That's not what happened.
Then right before the event was supposed to take place, live nation canceled it because

(01:27:40):
they said there was problems with construction.
Maybe people weren't going to the concerts.
People were buying the Egyptian government was like, get this satanist the fuck out of
here.
No, interesting.
And then live nation was like, no, they wouldn't know Travis cost not a satanist.
Then when it comes time to the event, they're like, okay, we got to cancel the last minute.

(01:28:02):
There's construction problems.
Okay, well, then when are we rescheduling it?
Guess what?
They never rescheduled it.
Instead, he went to Italy to do a concert there and for the release party.
Oh, interesting.
Now, something else before we go to the James Shelby Downard.

(01:28:24):
Kanye West had, so Kanye West is the guy who was besties with Travis Scott.
He's the one to sort of put him on.
Well, years ago, there was a, you know, I don't know the timing of this.
Oh, dear.
There was a Donda listening party.

(01:28:44):
I don't know what a Donda is.
You remember the album Donda?
So, okay, so Kanye is an album.
Yeah, it's an album named after his mother.
Oh, who?
Kanye West?
Mother's name is Donda.
Yeah.
Okay.
Her name was Donda.
She did.

(01:29:04):
Gotcha.
She had a listening party.
The Donda album was released August 29th, 2021, just prior to the Travis Scott concert.
And at the listening party, he had a dove on the artwork because he's really into doves.
In fact, he had a Donda Academy sports ball team called the Donda Doves.

(01:29:28):
And I just piece this together that that's how the Travis Scott concert started was that
a dove on fire.
I mean, there's two connected.
I don't know, but I know Kanye West and Travis Scott are besties.
So I found that very strange, especially because--
They are.
Yeah.
Especially because Kanye West would later do concerts where they simulated like Kanye West

(01:29:52):
being on fire, which is what Travis Scott didn't in his video for Quintana.
Quintana.
I don't know.
And in the video, in that Quintana video, Travis Scott is doing the grand hailing sign of distress
that the Freemasons do with an inverted pentagram on his chest.
And then I was talking about Travis Scott because he's part of this whole illuminati Kardashian

(01:30:15):
Clam thing with Kanye West because he was dating one of the Kardashians, remember?
Kylie Jenner.
And then he did a bunch of Fallen Angel symbolism and--
Did they have a baby together?
They're one of the--
Maybe.
Oh, OK.
I think so.
So anyway, lots of weird stuff with that.
I'm going to throw one more weird thing and then we're done.

(01:30:37):
OK.
James Shelby Downard.
Do you know who he is?
James Shelby Downard.
I've heard the name.
No, I don't know.
He's an old timer who wrote about the JFK assassination being an alchemical ritual.
OK.
Hi.
OK, I heard this from you.

(01:30:58):
By the-- by the Freemasonic Cryptocracy.
To do magic on the subconscious mind of the masses.
OK.
And he referenced it being-- he calls it psychodromas, which I think is a great name.
OK.
And they would utilize various-- this Freemasonic Cryptocracy, aka the illuminati.

(01:31:25):
They used a bunch of occult techniques like mystical toponomy and synchromysticism in their
rituals.
And that's what he's piecing together in this book, King Kill 33, which I'm going to do a
three-part, three-hour deep dive for my supporter feeds any day now.
So-- but we're not going to go deep into it.
I'm just going to talk about the connections with Travis Scott.

(01:31:48):
OK.
So toponomy is stuff like the 33rd degree of latitude that runs through Dallas, Texas,
which was where the Deely Plaza was, the JFK got assassinated.
OK.
And if you continue it on, it goes through a place in El Paso called Kern's Place.

(01:32:08):
And the Hornada del Muerto, it's the journey of the dead men, which goes into the Trinity
say where they did the atomic bomb test, which also is where the first UFO crash happened,
not Roswell, it was in 1945, a Trinity.
OK.
So he pieces all this together.

(01:32:29):
And this is before the Trinity UFO crash was known.
I should point out.
Oh, we-- really?
Yeah.
See, wrote this in the late '70s.
OK.
When did they come out with the Trinity crash?
I don't know the year that came out.
I only learned about it a couple years ago, because Dr. Jacques Balein Pala Harris wrote a
book about it.

(01:32:50):
And that's the first time he's heard about it.
That's the first time I heard about it.
OK.
Interesting.
And in the King Kill 33, he talks about the Herodome, which is a mythical mountain in Scotland
that's important to the Freemasons.

(01:33:11):
Now, isn't that interesting that we talked about how important this big mountain is on Travis
Scott's stage?
Oh, wait.
He put himself into debt for it.
Yes.
Interesting.
Was there people walking on the top of that mountain?
Yeah, there was an image of the same MGM added on his t-shirt of the blue character going
through a doorway, a portal, and coming out the other side with demonic red horns.

(01:33:34):
Oh, OK.
I thought there was little people walking on top of the mountain top, though.
I saw that, what I just told you about.
I don't know.
But there were little people walking on top of the edge of the mountain.
I don't remember.
OK.
You don't have to show that to me.

(01:33:55):
OK.
I'll have to look.
I thought my brain is crazy.
So.
Well, the Herodome connects into the-- so the Freemasonic Cryptocracy connects into the
Knights Templar, which connects into the assassins called the Ishmaelites.
And the assassins were kind of a cultist type group.

(01:34:21):
Hassan Sabah was the founder, and they called him the Old Man of the Mountain.
All right.
So these were like the early sort of Illuminati types, basically.
And Downer also talks about synchromysticism, which is important because it's basically combining
the ideas of symbolism, speaking to the subconscious, with synchronicities, things that happen that

(01:34:47):
people feel like, oh, the universe is putting these synchronicities in front of me for a reason,
as well as mysticism, all these sort of weird mystical esoteric ideas.
And Downer is saying that JFK and the killing of-- was assassinated as part of a killing of
the King ritual by this Freemasonic Cryptocracy that has, you know, the Illinia, who goes back

(01:35:11):
through the Knights Templar and the assassins and so on.
OK.
And the purpose for it was him to be a blood sacrifice for mass transformation.
JFK.
Yeah.
OK.
So there's the death symbolically prepared the masses for this big change that was coming,

(01:35:35):
which, sure enough, the 60s were pretty turbulent, you know?
Yeah.
And he connects it into the atomic bomb with, you know, the splitting of the atom being
an alchemical process of primordial matter.
It's like this alchemy thing.
That doesn't really matter.
What I want to get to is Texas because Dallas, of course, is in Texas.

(01:36:00):
And he thinks that's very important to the Freemasonic Cryptocracy.
He calls it the lone pentagram state because they have a star, right?
The lone star state.
And the pentagram, very occult rich symbol.
And he talks about this idea of bloodlines going through Lyndon Bain Johnson and his wife,

(01:36:26):
Barbara Garcin.
And this is related to the McBeth clan, the Bain clan.
That's why it's like Lyndon Bains Johnson.
And his mother was Rebecca Bains, who I looked up on Wikipedia and her great grandfather
was a guy named George Washington Bains, who was a famous preacher.

(01:36:50):
He was Sam Houston's pastor.
I don't know who that is.
Sam Houston was Texas royalty.
That's where the city of Houston gets its name from Sam Houston.
Okay.
So he finds all this very important to the ritual, you know?
Of killing JFK.

(01:37:11):
Yeah, because LBJ was the vice president.
Okay.
It was big old hog.
And the city of Houston, he says in the book, he says that the city of Houston is important
to the Freemasons.
And he connects it to this, it gets kind of confusing.
It goes back to this Sir Hugh Pativan, this night, this Norman Knight, and his coat of

(01:37:36):
flags is supposedly on the Houston flag.
He connects it with these other symbols of red deer and hourglass, but we're not going
to get all deep in the weeds with it right now.
But he was saying that Hugh Pativan was the one, that's where the name Houston comes from,

(01:38:01):
from Hughes Town.
Hugh Pativan's town.
And he says all this because it connects into the Knight's Templars, which is Hugh Pativan
was the Knight's Templar.
So he's connecting all these dots, right?
And it ties into Macbeth and Shakespeare and so on.

(01:38:22):
And he talks about how in the, in Houston, there's a place called the Rice Hotel.
And it was a place where the Freemasons used to meet up and they called it the temple Houston
back there.
And originally the capital of Texas was Houston, but they moved it to Austin.

(01:38:45):
Okay.
Because back in the day, Houston was kind of anarchy-ish, apparently.
It's kind of where the bad boys were or something.
He said in the book, it's important to note, it's important to note that for a time, the city
of Houston was a symbol of Juan Town Authority.
Is that how he talks?

(01:39:06):
That's how he talks.
He's crazy.
But it was, it was called the Holland Lodge number one.
I looked it up.
It was the first Masonic Lodge in all of Texas and Sam Houston was a member.
He was a prominent Freemason.
Okay.
And a guy named Anson Jones, who was the last president of the Republic of Texas.

(01:39:29):
He was the first grandmaster of the Texas Masons and he committed suicide at the rice hotel.
Now, so what's the point of all this?
Let's wrap this up.
Let's zoom in back out and be done.
The idea that James Shelby Donna presents of the JFK assassination is he refers to it
as making manifest all that is hidden.

(01:39:52):
One of the methods and it's a mass trauma initiation to awaken the masses as to who their
daddies are as to the way this world really works.
Meaning that the Freemasons killed the elected king killed the elected president saying it

(01:40:17):
doesn't matter who you want.
We have, we take care of things.
We're running this.
Yeah.
And that the world runs off of not Duncan Donuts, but occult stuff.
And when I tie this into, so that's what the whole idea of the JFK assassination was.

(01:40:37):
It wasn't just this thing.
It was this event, this ritual kind of like how the pandemic, it was a, you could argue
that was a ritual.
Okay.
Because you had this sort of everybody knew it was happening.
It's kind of like the Olympics.
Everyone's watching the flame.
Everyone knows this is happening and it's we're all confronting death and we're all sort

(01:41:00):
of contemplating things.
And that's why the great reset was a whole thing.
They would use that for the great reset to change the world.
I was talking to somebody that said that they think that the COVID was a psychological
op to see what the masses would do.
Yeah, I could see that.
Like what are we going to do?

(01:41:20):
Are we going to like maybe it was just dated and be put into AI for how would people react?
Yeah.
Turns out not good.
Turned out we're fucking dead.
So we can't rely on each other or the government.
So the stage of the astral world, the mountain, which already connected into the Herodome, the

(01:41:48):
mythical mountain of scholar and the James Shelby Downer to talk about.
You're like James Shelby Downer is probably watching this whole thing.
He's like, Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Give me my pen.
Well the astral world mountain, it said see you on the other side.
Do you remember this?
No.
It said that on the artwork for the mountain.
See you on the other side and the whole mountain had a portal inside full of flames like it

(01:42:12):
was going into hell.
And I think it was about death and rebirth ritual, literal death and charging up some kind
of massive death sigil, some death energy, dark forces of satanism, using that burning
dove and the inverted crosses and killing kids.

(01:42:34):
I think you could argue that this was a ritual and that would implicate Travis Scott who,
I mean, he's doing some weird dark stuff.
And it's kind of a, I think also kind of like the pandemic would be a test, a ritual to see
how we behave.
I think that could be what this is too.

(01:42:54):
Would people reject and cancel Travis Scott?
Nope.
They did not.
And I would take a further to say maybe it's a test because they need to see if we're ready
to accept the practices of the occult.
Because I think that's all part of the uofology thing.
Remember we did this whole show where I psychoanalyzed what Dr., Dr. Jacques Vallet was saying.

(01:43:18):
And I'm basically saying, oh, I think he's saying that they are doing occult things.
And if we want to really understand what the UFOs are, we have to quit being like kind
of.
Religious.
Religious.
Maybe religious even about it on some level, right?
Reject religion.
Is that what you're saying?
I'll say rejected, but quit being so satanic panicky about things.

(01:43:39):
Like, if you want to know what UFOs and aliens are, you better chill with all this like everything
is that fall in angel demonic talk.
If you want to know, because I think you got to understand they're employing occult practices
like Jack Parsons and now it's the crully we're doing to make contact.
And they, oh, they meaning the government.

(01:44:00):
Whoever, yeah, the deep whoever's doing this, right?
Okay.
And I think that the Travis Scott thing is very similar.
I think it's a little test to be like, oh, are they still go into clotters?
Still puritons out there and they want to cancel this guy because he was doing clearly
like a lot of satanic imagery.

(01:44:21):
And I think they probably got what they wanted.
They brought it.
Okay.
I think as a culture now that we've got like Trump in office and you have all of these
religious people that are running for office like local officials and local local things.

(01:44:44):
They've gotten rid of row versus way they eat all of these things, right?
So are we going more towards this or away from it?
Because it sounds like if religion is the answer, then it sounds like we're going away from
it.
I think that Satan has infiltrated most of these supposed Christian religions.

(01:45:05):
That's why you see the people who are like totally fine with taking away food stamps for
hungry kids and taking care of poor people and bombing Palestinian children.
And churches having Mac truck rallies and not taking care of the poor.

(01:45:28):
I think that capitalism has perverted out the church and like there's satanic elements
there just strictly on the definition of Christ and what he would have wanted.
I don't think Christ would be like, well, what I want you to do is to hoard all the wealth

(01:45:49):
and to make sure no one else has a fucking crown to eat because they should be working.
Like that's not what he said.
Yeah.
So well, even with like the immigration thing.
Yeah, totally.
I think Christ would want to help people who want to be helped.
Yeah.

(01:46:10):
I mean, there's arguments against it that I'd be like, well, you know, you got to like go
through the process of getting here.
Like we should reform immigration so that people who want to come here and work and do these
hard jobs that none of us want to do.
Like let's figure out a way to get them in here legally.
So we're not getting.
Well, so they're not being or whatever.
Yeah, or that those people aren't being abused by the farmers or the totally.

(01:46:37):
And I don't and I think that the media amplifies the few few criminals that do come here
to make it sound like, oh my God, they're all like we live in Utah with a ton of Mexicans.
And they're I mean, by far large, great people that work hard and are honest and they every

(01:46:58):
interaction I've ever had with the Mexican has been positive.
So I don't know why a lot of people here are like, oh my God, Emma's 13 everywhere.
I'm sure there's gang activity.
No doubt.
I just I think it's so far between and the media sensational.
The media does what the media does.
And that's what's so frustrating about the truth of women is like, I thought we all taught

(01:47:19):
you guys to like question the media narratives, but you're falling for media narratives right
now.
So I think also it was a test to see how depraved we've become.
We're totally cool with this celebrity God Travis Scott performing while people are dying.

(01:47:40):
It must be dinner time.
Tina's Tina's like, hey, what do you guys do?
She's getting real aggressive.
I'm always done Tina hang on.
The money because everyone wants to live through their favorite celebrity right?
Because I looked up the lyrics to that escape plan song and like all Travis Scott songs

(01:48:02):
in my opinion.
I like it seems like it's poetic because he's not just saying totally ignorant things.
But when I read I'm like, what is he even saying?
And it's like a poetic form of the same sort of rap rhetoric, which I'm fine with.
I like rap music.
I don't care.
I love it.

(01:48:23):
I like to me.
Rap music is about a vibe.
Like I don't need this fuck, you know, people are always shit on modern rap music.
Like to you back to the 90s, you can't just rap like public enemy.
It's like, man, I don't need all that shit.
I'm just trying to go workout.
I'm trying to get wake up and trying to like get hype.

(01:48:43):
I don't need that.
If I'm ready for the backpack conscious rap, I'll put it on.
Guess what?
That never happens.
I don't need it.
So I'm the first to defend it, you know.
Okay.
But I don't think you like two pop.
Yeah.
I love two pop.
Like two pop was a little bit.
Yeah.
But he also had a lot of gangster shit, right?
That made you like, yeah, I'm going to hit him with a fucker right now.

(01:49:04):
Hell yeah.
I'm a spit on a fuck pig, you know.
Is that what he said?
Nobody did it.
Oh, he did.
But anyway, it's more of us worshiping these celebrities as gods and believing that money
and fame is worth more, you know, it's like saying, I want another Travis Scott.

(01:49:29):
I'll, I'll care how many kids it kills.
Kind of in a way.
Yes.
Okay.
It's apathy and we see death online constantly to the point of its entertainment.
Mm hmm.
Literally Netflix has a documentary about it.
It's entertainment, you know, sort of.
And it's a way of making these rituals part of the show.

(01:49:53):
And it's a way of, you know, it's, it's that the reason they use this satanic imagery and
stuff is because it adds a very dark element.
It's kind of spooky.
So like when I'm watching this documentary, I love spooky.
And when you're watching this documentary about this horrible thing that happened to these
people that died.
And it adds to the spook of it like, ooh, look at that satanic imagery, ooh, it's scary.

(01:50:15):
Yeah.
It really is kind of like a horror movie in a way.
Like you see Travis Scott up on stage just performing and you see people doing CPR like 20
feet away.
You're like, bro, what?
Maybe not 20 feet away.
Anyway, it also, I just don't think, I think you're right.

(01:50:36):
I think that these religious people that are out here now who are saying, well, yeah, look
at all of this satanist shit that's going on.
They ain't the antidote.
You ain't the f*ck.
Travis Scott song by the way, antidote.
Oh, it is?
Yeah, it's an even one of those big songs.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah, you're right.
It's like, yeah, your satanism looks different.

(01:50:56):
Yes.
Then at least, like the satan worshipers like, do you know what they stand on it?
They're standing on business.
I'm like, okay, well, I respect that.
You at least know what's up.
Right.
You're going to church and hearing the stories and turn around and being f*cking weird.
Mm-hmm.

(01:51:16):
Like, I don't know how you can hear about Jesus and then f*ck with people.
They're not want to help people.
Yeah, it's weird.
It is weird.
So I think-
And like the Mormon churches who sit there and say that they have, what is it?
$300 billion for the second coming?
What are you talking about?

(01:51:38):
Is it more than that?
I don't know how much they have.
What do they have?
Let's take a good look.
$293 billion.
This includes the investment portfolio of value to $206 billion and it's operating assets
like buildings, land and the BYU system valued at $87 billion.

(01:52:00):
So all that tithing they get is- they've got over 200 billion.
I heard that was only tithing.
They were talking about tithing that they get.
It must be.
And then they take their tithing and they build malls.
Man, that's crazy.
And temples.
I mean, at what point do you be honest about it being a money-making venture?

(01:52:21):
I have to eye it.
Anyway.
So that's it.
That's all I got.
It's all the updates on Travis Scott.
Very good.
Next into James Shelby Downer and I think that-
Because it happened in Houston, that's why you're-
Yeah.
Which is on the same line.
It's not on the same line of latitude as the 33rd degree parallel.

(01:52:44):
It's like at the 29th degree.
Are you looking at that?
But it's important to the Masonic hypocrisy.
So who am I going to confirm?
Well actually.
Good job.
That's all I got.
Very good.
Okay.
Good show.
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