Brian Crombie Radio Hour - Epi 1470 - Immigration, & Defence with Dominic Cardy

Tonight on The Brian Crombie Hour, Brian interviews Dominic Cardy.  Dominic is the leader of the Canadian Future Party and former New Brunswick Education Minister. He raises urgent concerns about Canada’s immigration and defense priorities. Dominic warns that next year hundreds of thousands of temporary foreign workers may lose their legal status, stressing the need for better integration to avoid social tensions. He cautions that the asylum system risks collapse from unjustified claims, harming true refugees and eroding trust. On defense, Dominic argues that a global conflict is already unfolding with Russia, China, and allied forces escalating threats. He calls for Canada to boost defense spending, invest in modern technologies like drones, and reduce reliance on the U.S. for security.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the Brian Crombie Radio R.
I've got Dominic Carti with us tonight, Tay. He's written
a really fascinating article about immigration and the challenges that
we've got and what he thinks we need to do.
He has got a really interesting background and present. He
is the leader of a brand new party that's been
launched in Canada, in the Radical Center, and I'm going

(00:38):
to let him explain that a little bit. But also
he is a former Minister of Education in New Brunswick
and he's been very involved in politics for a.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Long period of time.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
He's got some interesting points of view of where our
politics is going. Dominic Carti, welcome to the show, Ran.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Thank you so much for having me on. Appreciate the
time to chat.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
So I want to talk a little bit about your
new party, but let's start out with immigration if we could.
But tell me this article that you wrote this week
was pretty hard hitting about the challenges with our immigration system.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Tell me why you were motivated to write this article.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Sir, Well, it's something that I think we can see
around the world. The immigration is ripping a lot of
democracies apart because there was I think an unjustified assumption
and a lot of by a lot of governments that
you could just kind of open the doors and we
continue to get the benefits of immigration, which now Canada
is a nation of immigrants. I'm an immigrant, I was
born in the UK. Immigration is a positive thing that

(01:31):
makes your country stronger. Uncontrolled immigration, where the public aren't
on board of what you're doing, is a disaster and
should be the thing that people who support immigration are
opposed to the most, because if you can't integrate people
into the country twitch they're moving, then you are always
going to have problems. And the bizarre thing we've done
in Canada is after decades of having a really pretty

(01:55):
well run system where we took nearly all the politics
out of our immigration system. And then that was largely
following a scandal back around the time that Hong Kong
came under Chinese rule, and we had some programs there
that were abused politically to get people who wanted for
good reasons to escape communists China. But that led to
in the best spirit of democracies reform and for the

(02:18):
last couple of decades, the only area is where politicians
have been able to really easily muck around with the
immigration system has been the international student programs and the
temporary foreign worker programs, and muck around with them. The
Liberals did justin. Trudeau's government blew the doors off one
of the world's best, most well managed immigration systems and

(02:38):
has now turned Canada into yet another country where we
are fighting for good reasons about immigration because we've seen
an enormous increase in our population. The vast majority of
the folks who come have come from two countries, from
India and from Nigeria. The number of jobs that they
were able to take has been expanded. And these are

(02:58):
folks who do not go through the rigorous vetting process
that we put all immigrants who want to Canada go through.
And sometimes that problem has its flaws and its weaknesses
and its failures. But to just open the doors and
allow in millions and I'm talking millions of people here,
millions of folks came into the country without proper security
vetting and have now been able to access an ever

(03:21):
growing number of jobs, jobs that were never part of
the temporary foreign worker program, that were never covered under
the international student programs. So we're now facing despite the
absolutely positive efforts that the Carnee government has made to
start to control the numbers coming in, the reality is
is that next year we are going to have hundreds

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of thousands of people living in this country who are
going to lose their legal right to be here. We're
going to be facing issues around deportations, around people going underground,
around people becoming vulnerable to organized crime. Because if you
want to stay in a better country in Canada is
the best country in the world, you want to stay here,
a lot of people are willing and fortunately to break

(04:02):
the law to stay here. So we have created this
crazy system where we blew up one of the best
managed systems in the world and we replaced it with
a system that is pushed hard by shady, fly by
night businesses who make money off the hopes and dreams
of people living in developing countries who are sold a
bill of goods about what they're going to get when
they come to Canada, and Canada is left to pick

(04:24):
up those pieces. This is going to happen next year.
These fights these challenges are going to face us, and
I have not heard anything from the Carny government, or
for that matter, from the polyf Conservatives about how they're
going to handle this. Because we've got to keep our
immigration system solid. We've got to make sure it works,
and when it comes to our temporary foreign workers program,

(04:44):
we've got to make sure that some of those folks
are able to stay here. A lot of those people
work in our medical systems. I don't talk to many
Canadians who say, you know, what we really need in
our healthcare system in Canada is to get rid of
some of the staff. But at the same time, the
program clearly needs to be reforms. So when mister Carney
says the program is just needs to be tweaked a bit,
that's nonsense. It needs to be paired back radically and

(05:06):
return to its original vision with some tweaks for twenty
twenty five. And when the Conservatives say that it needs
to be abolished, that's just not nonsense. That's criminal, because
us talking about decimating our healthcare system, destroying our agricultural sector,
and cutting a hole in our retail sector. Where as
much as I have sympathy for the many young Canadians
who are now seeing a skyrocketing unemployment rate because they

(05:29):
can't get that first job, because businesses are going for
lower cost foreign alternatives. You can't just make that switch
happen overnight. We've got to be grown ups here and
stop this populous nonsense from left and right pretending either
problems don't exist or that the only solution to problems
is to blow things up. We need some sensible reforms,
and my party's laid some of those out, and I

(05:50):
hope we get a chance to chat about those a
little bit in this conversation.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I look forward to it. So let's take a big
step back, if we could.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
You've described that this immigration in particularly foreign temporary foreign workers,
has changed dramatically in the last couple of years, where
we brought in a whole bunch of people. You said,
I hadn't heard this before, primarily from India and Nigeria.
How and why did it change so dramatically?

Speaker 4 (06:14):
It changed dramatically because of this is something else that
we don't talk enough about. We talked it was discussed
a little bit in the election campaign because we saw
that the way that foreign lobby groups have an enormous
influence over the Liberal Party and the people who organize
immigration consultancies and fly by night driving schools and a
lot of these other little operations that we're hearing about now.

(06:36):
These people have got political connections, and there was a
combination of naivete and cynicism on the part of the
Liberals over the last decade, where they genuinely thought that
what's the worst that can happen. We'll bring these people
in the local community leaders will be happy, these guys
who are in these businesses will be happy, they'll vote Liberal.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Awesome.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
They forgot about Canada, and that's the part that I
think I'll never forgive them for. And a lot of
Canadians aren't going to give them forgive them for, especially
the people who are desperately trying to find a new
good life in Canada who now having that pathway made
more difficult because of the way the Liberals have behaved
and by the way she was that not Nigeria's China
is the second biggest country. So India is at forty

(07:17):
percent of the total number, China is at ten percent.
So we've got two countries that have got organized lobby
groups inside Canada. Both of their governments by the way,
accused with absolute credibility of conducting pretty bad foreign interference
operations on Canadian soil. The Indian and Chinese government just
must be sitting back and laughing when they see the
way that we've mismanaged this and how we're managing to

(07:39):
undermine the best of Canada, that commitment to an open
and inclusive country, and we've just we've wrecked that the
last few years. The Canadian consensus and immigration is gone.
But the solution to that isn't to pretend that hasn't happened,
or to blow up the system. It's to build something better.
So I think we've got to get back.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I've interviewed some people about our immigration system, and the
basic immigration system is actually envied around the world and
copied around the world, where the points system for you know,
people that are coming in with skills, with education, with capital,
et cetera, is actually thought of as a very positive
system and other countries want to emulate it. The criticism

(08:18):
is on foreign students and.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Temporary foreign workers.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
So it appears that the basic immigration system is okay.
It was these actually the two extra parts of the system.
Is that your understanding, sir.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, totally agree with one caveat that the refugee system,
the asylum system, which also had been working just fine.
We certainly had some issues with people who coming in
from some countries, particularly Islamic countries, who were quite clearly
not living up to the standards of that system. We
need to do a better job there to make sure
that people who come to Canada respect Canadian values. That's

(08:52):
another whole conversation, because we better figure out what Canadian
values are as a country sometime pretty soon before those
conversations are taken out of our hands. But those programs
generally worked. But the problem we're going to have now
is that we're seeing a large number of these shady,
fly by night immigration consultancies telling the folks who are
now being told that, you know, you're only here for

(09:14):
a year, for eight months, two years, whatever it is,
you're going to have to go home. And what they're
doing is say, just apply for asylum. So what we're
going to do there is we're going to blow up
the asylum system, not only in terms of the numbers
which are already growing exponentially at the same time as
mister Carneie is inexplicably making cuts across the board in government.
You can't deal with a backlog if you've got fewer

(09:36):
people to process those claims. So the numbers are going up,
the numbers of people making unjustified claims is going up,
and that's going to both delay real refugees from getting
the care they should from our country, and it's going
to make Canadians more cynical about every single refugee asylum
seeker who comes here. So that's a third area that's

(09:57):
now being poisoned because of the Liberal government's incompetence the
last ten years or so. Again, the solution to this
is not mister Carne's to pretend this isn't a problem,
not tell Canadians about what's coming next year, and it's
certainly not mister pauliev just to say, let's asx all
of this. It's to fix and reform, and we can
do that by just telling Canadians that we're going to
radically reduce the numbers until we can get the system

(10:18):
under control, get it down to two hundred thousand for
the temporary student and workers programs. Let's work with the
provinces to develop proper immigration targets, something we still don't
do when I was a cabinet minister here in New Brunswick.
By the way, the weird backdrop here is I'm sitting
at the Woodstock Airports and a rural in New Brunswick
and where i have a little ultra light airplane that
I'm hopefully going to fly later on. So we've got

(10:43):
as a minister, we have these problems or the fence
just we're saying, well, no, you just can't have the
people you want, So that doesn't make any sense. Some
provinces need more immigrants at a time when others need less,
and we're a big country. Surely that's something. Is we're
now talking a little bit about the notwithstanding clause and
how we handle a constitutional reform. That's something we can
work on getting the provinces the people they need. Then
we've got to also make sure that no single country

(11:07):
makes up absolute maximum twenty percent of the total numbers,
because that also has an effect that it changes the
literal look and feel of Canadian communities nearly overnight, which
is the sort of thing that makes people concerned and upset.
Whether those concerns are valid or not, they are real
human beings react that way to change, pretending We're not human.

(11:27):
Don't react that way is never good policy, and the
liberals tend far too much in that direction, thinking oh, well,
we can just manage this stuff through policy. Human beings
are still human beings. Let's, at the same time not
play on the worst of us. Let's not play on
the worst prejudices that often come up when we're confronted
with change and with new folks and new groups of people.

(11:48):
Let's work to define what Canada is. Make Canada a
welcoming place with a sane and well run immigration system
that starts off with opportunities for Canadians who are here
and then offers opportunities to those who are coming because
we need them, and for that small number because they
need help fleeing persecution from anywhere in the world.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Is there a right number for immigration or a percentage?
You know?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I was at a conference in the United States recently
and they talked about how immigration in the United States
had typically both legal and illegal, had been about one
million people, sometimes had gone up to two and that recently.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Had gone to three million people. That's for a country
ten times our size. And I understand that we had.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Over a million people immigrate for a couple of years
during COVID or post COVID into Canada, so that we're
getting five to ten times the per capita immigration into
Canada and the United States. And we've seen the challenges
of immigration in the United States.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
So is there a right number.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
That you think should be targeted for annual immigration into Canada.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Well, the first thing is that we've got to divide
that number up a bit because a lot of those
numbers are not from immigrants. There are people who are
here temporarily, and so that's one of the huge problems
is that we've got this huge increase in numbers, but
there are folks who aren't to build a commitment to
Canada because they're not allowed to stay here long term.
So that's one of the first big obstacles. But as
I was saying, I think that right now, getting our

(13:08):
immigration numbers annually down to two hundred thousand for the
temporary foreign worker and student permits, that would be a
good start. Making sure we have those restrictions in terms
of national origin also a good start, and we can
also focus it a bit more. We've really fallen into
the trap of allowing folks as well to stay here
based on having a master's degree. That doesn't make any sense.

(13:30):
Nearly everyone has a master's degree these days if you
want to get one. Restricting some of those higher education
criteria to folks with PhDs and above, let's do that.
And a little note here you are mentioning being in
the States. Glad you got back. Okay, Let's open the
doors to the hundreds of thousands of Americans or non
Americans currently in the US who have just the last

(13:53):
couple of days found out they're going to have to
pay one hundred thousand dollars from H one B visa.
Let's get those researchers, scientists, medical experts, doctors, engineers, all
the skilled trades that we need. There's thousands of American
folks in the States right now we're looking at going
to the States reconsidering their plans. Let's make Canada a
welcoming place for them to help make life better for Canadians,

(14:14):
fill the gaps in our healthcare system, in the skilled trade,
some other areas where we've got huge deficits. So I
think it's the overall numbers are absolutely critical, but we've
got to look at the numbers within that. What does
Canada need from the rest of the world, and that's
how we've got to start looking at this that rather
than just being number X or Y, is what does

(14:35):
Canada need and what do we need to do to
get those folks here? In addition to that small percentage,
which is always going to be our responsibility for taking
care of the most depressed and vulnerable, which has always
been part of what's made Canada great, those folks of
buy and large made enormous contributions to Canada and that's
something we should be brought in.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
We're chaining tonight with Dominic Carti. He is the leader
of the Canadian Future Party. We're going to take a
break for some messages and come back in two minutes.
I'm going to ask them a little bit about why
this new party and what it stands for, and a
little bit more about how he thinks we got to
define what Canada's all about.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Stay with us, everyone back in just two minutes.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Stream us live at SAGA nine sixty am dot CA.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
A welcome back everyone to the Brian Crombie video. Whar
I've got Dominic Carti with me tonight. He is the
leader of the Canadian Future Party. It's a brand new party.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
That's been launched in Canada.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Why, Domino Carti, why are you the leader of a
brand new party? You know, I think that you were
at one point in time Center Ice Conservatives, and then
you were Center Ice Canadians, and now you're the Canadian
Future Party.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Why do you think we need a new party?

Speaker 2 (15:53):
And I think that what you've described is it's a
party of the center, the radical center.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Why do you think we need a new party of
the radical center? Sir?

Speaker 4 (16:00):
The discussion we're just having around immigration sums it all
up that right now we've got a kind of comfortable
small L liberal, large L liberal center leftish elite in
the country who I don't think and I don't think
that because they're bad people, but I genuinely don't think
that they understand the state that the country is in
or the challenge that the world is facing right now.

(16:21):
And on the other hand, we've got an increasingly populist
conservative party that seems more interested in trying to figure
out how it can keep its MAGA base under control
and appear to be moderate and reasonable to Canadians. And
we see that with immigration on the immigration file again,
the Carni Liberals, it's kind of fine, what's the problem
If you talk about this, you're racist nonsense. The conservative

(16:43):
approach even more irresponsible, talking about how they're going to
cancel these programs, which again are going to empty our hospitals,
leave our fields unharvested, and cause massive damage to our economy,
all out of some populist principle. So my point is
that what we need right now is a new ideology,
not based on bigger or smaller government, but on traditional

(17:08):
and i'd say Western because these are where these ideas
first developed as a political force, not because they are
limited to people from or of the West. The Western civilization,
freedom of speech, rule of law, regular elections, competitive politics,
accessible to all citizens. Those are the things that have
made this country an astonishing place that's been a beacon
to the world for a long time. And similar democracies

(17:29):
have been in a similar position. So we need that
commitment to some of the best of our past. But
going forward rather than again looking at is this going
to make government bigger or smaller, taxes higher or lower,
looking at evidence, what is our goal? How do we
get there? How do we measure that? And I think
if you start doing that, a whole lot of tricky
ideological questions that have ripped the left and the right

(17:52):
apart and driven them off both sides into corners that
are increasingly inexplicable to the average voter, and instead end
up with policies that make sense just talking about immigration.
My party was the only party in the twenty twenty
five election which we didn't try and seriously contest with
had nineteen candidates. We'd only been founded a few weeks before.

(18:12):
We ran some candidates to basically test our processes, which
is fine, but we didn't put out a platform, which
is available on our website, Canadianfutureparty dot ca. If you
go there, you can see a platform that covers a
lot of things that amazingly are now dominating liberal and
conservative talking points over the last few months. They dodged
those issues during the election. Top of that list National defense.

(18:33):
Not a single party in the Canadian election except for
the Canadian Future Party committed to increasing our defense spending
is a total of GDP to two percent. Immediately, my
party was the only one, a little, tiny party with
a few thousand members and nineteen candidates. What do we
see three months later, everyone embraces what we had said

(18:54):
during the election, which is we're going to have to
go to five percent of GDP in a couple of years,
and that's now government policy, and the Conservatives I want
to talk about it. The Liberals don't want to talk
about it much either. They were pushed. I had no
illusions they were pushed by me or my party. They
were pushed by our allies in NATO. And they were
pushed because we have to get ready to stand up

(19:15):
to the Russians, to the Chinese, to the Iranians, to
the other bad actors who are already beginning a global conflict.
The liberals and Conservatives are being dishonest with Canadians by
not preparing us for what's to come on immigration, about
nonsense about shutting down programs or leaving them the same,
when the reality is that next year we're going to
be facing how Canada handles a necessary wave of deportations

(19:38):
and restrictions and immigration on like anything we've seen recently,
and doing that well, preserving and open and free society
that welcomes newcomers, both because that's part of our values
and a reflection of them because we need them for
our economy. So until we can start to have honest
evidence based conversations about the fact the world is heading
to war. Canada's totally unprepared. Our major parties have not

(20:01):
let Canadians be part of the conversation about how they
can help us get ready. We had mister Karneiye who,
for a few brief months, and I think that's part
of the reason he won the election, said a little
bit of what we wanted to hear our politician. Political
leaders say, elbows up, let's get ready to deal with
this changed world. The last few weeks elbows are back down.

(20:23):
Mister excellens. What we need as a party that again
is committed to our value and our values are that
you don't coddle nascent authoritarians or established ones, that you
push back, that you say that democratic norms and standards
have to be the pre conditions for free trade deals.

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That you don't be bullied by countries that try and
use their superior size or economic might to, as in
the case of the Americans, threaten the independence of our country.
We make it clear that we stand one hundred percent
four independence, reject any attempts to undermine our sovereignty, and
to take a concrete example, which again no party has
others than mine has suggested. Anytime any American politician or

(21:06):
representative of the US government refers to the fifty first state,
Paul's our prime minister or governor or in any way
suggests that our sovereignty is up for question, that a
diplomat from the US Diplomatic Service in Canada, there are
hundreds of them, one of them be kicked out. It's
about connecting evidence and action, and we've seen very little

(21:26):
evidence used for the decision making in recent years, very
little action, and occasionally some positive rhetoric in the last
few months from mister Carney. We don't have time for
rhetoric anymore. We need a more radical option that recognizes
our institutions are breaking. They're not broken, and Canada is
not broken, but unless we recognize that our systems need change,

(21:47):
they are going to fail. So right now we have
the left and the right both driving us in the
same direction towards institutional failure and towards division and disunity,
and we need a more positive, unifying message, which I
think has to be around let's use evidence to make decisions.
Pretty hard to argue against that, and it's a great
way as a politician to direct and guide yourself, because

(22:09):
I've had lots of things that I thought were true,
and when you look at the evidence, they're not true.
And one of the things that's great about being in
a party with like minded, evidence based people is that
when we come across those things, we go, you know what,
we were wrong, and then we move on. And I
don't hear too many politicians saying they were wrong these days.
We need more humility, more admission of error, and a bolder,
clearer plan for the future of the country.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Some pretty profound things that you've said, so let me
probe by you if I could, on some of them.
You said the world is heading to war a couple
of minutes ago.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Do you really believe that.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
It's I don't just believe it. It is happening. Russia
has invaded Europe. Russia has invaded Europe with the backing
of Cuban North Korean troops with mercenaries from around the
world who also creating damage and destruction across Sub Saharan Africa.
We have China, which has a fleet of invasion barges

(23:01):
specifically built deployed along the Taiwan Straight ready for what
China says this isn't me sing what China says will
be the conclusion of the reunification of Taiwan, which has
never been part of communist China, but that's another matter.
In the next couple of years. China has said they
have entered into an existential fight with the Western democracies,

(23:23):
that their aim is to replace our system, the one
based on democracy, the rule of law and human rights,
with their version of communism and capitalism mixed with the
worst elements of both. So this is what they are saying.
We have seen in this week two uses of Article

(23:43):
four by NATO's charter by two European countries who have
suffered incursions into their airspace by Russian jets. When the
Turks had one Russian jet and the Turks are kind
of friendly with putin half the time, the Turks had
one Russian jet fly into their airspace and it was
shot down within I think it was twelve seconds. We've
had Russian jets cruising over a conflict zone near Ukraine

(24:08):
into Allied airspace and being allowed to loiter there for
twelve minutes with no consequence except possibly a very stern letter.
The West is not fighting the war, but the war
has begun. We saw attacks on the security infrastructure just
this morning, cyber attacks almost certainly coming from Russia. We

(24:29):
see millions and millions of dollars being spent, and this
is all stuff that is known. None of this is
my theorizing or joining dodgs. This is absolutely known spending
in Russians, Chinese and Ranians in particular, spending tens of
millions of dollars to influence online communications. A lot of
the fighting over Charlie Kirk the last week or so
is driven by the sixty odd percent of accounts on

(24:52):
Twitter or x whatever you want to call it, that
are bots. So this is a war that has begun
that's not being fought in the traditional way. We're not
seeing mass troops rolling into Western Europe yet, but what
we are seeing is softening up operations. And that's the
reason why you're seeing countries that were until very recently
as pacifist as modern Germany saying the war is coming.

(25:16):
So our European allies are also saying this. So if
all of our allies are saying it, which is increasingly
the case, and many of them are introducing conscription and
enlistment and increase by enormous amounts. If they're all saying that,
if we can see the lunacy that's gripping our southern

(25:37):
neighbor where, unfortunately, the policy goals of the Kremlin are
now being reflected in the policy goals of the White House.
If we can see all of these things and still
somehow think that Canada is going to be left alone
in this world of turmoil, we are diluting ourselves. We're
a country that was based on and made rich by
the Alliance or free countries sharing the wealth. That wealth

(26:00):
is no longer going to be shared. For the next
few years. Europe is going to be preoccupied with its
own defense. The US may well be preoccupied with helping
undermine the defensive democracies, given the active assault on democratic
institutions by the Trump administration. This is what is happening.
And we have politicians who are literally talking about the
upcoming budget in terms of how big tax cuts are

(26:21):
going to be. This is nonsense. This is not a
time for tax cuts. This is a time for us
to spend the money we need to preserve our democracy
at home and abroad. And until we start reshaping the
political conversation in that direction, till our major parties embrace
those messages. That is why the Canadian Future Party, I think,
is an essential part of the Canadian political landscape. And

(26:43):
I'm going to be yelling as loud as I can
over the course of the coming months to try and
wake up our political leaders and ask other Canadians to
join me in putting pressure in those politicians to say
enough is enough. The world has changed. Mister Kearney has
said that, but now that's going to turn into something
other than liberal rhetoric. We need a plan, and we
need action, and we need Canadians to be involved in

(27:04):
this conversation because so far we are being kept in
the dark and we are being misled by both of
our major party leaders who don't want to talk about
this because neither of them have a plan.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
So what's your plan for national defense? Should we go
to three percent five percent right away? Where we spend
the money? Is it going to be on drones? Is
it going to be on soldiers? Is it going to
be on stuff in the Arctic? What would you be recommending, sir?

Speaker 4 (27:31):
So? One of the big things is that a party
that tries to make a decisions based on evidence is
I am not a military man. I've got lots of
experience working in conflict and post conflict zones, ironically working
for an American organization when I was doing that a
number of years ago. But in terms of the specifics,
what we need politicians to do is to set the
broad direction. So first is what noticing we need. That

(27:54):
was obvious back in the election campaign, and it's why
my party was the only party to campaign on five
percent spending on defense in the twenty twenty five campaign.
The other party's promised to spend that money on all
kinds of other things. They now can't do. That we
think is better to be honest with Canadians upfront. So
in terms of some of those priorities, it's very clear

(28:14):
from a political perspective that it is appropriate for our
political leaders to say we need to look at new technologies.
Ukraine has changed the rules of war. The main battle
tanks and other heavy pieces of equipment that we're seen
as being the battle determining war determining factors in twenty

(28:35):
twenty two, they're absolutely still critical and Canadians support there
by sending Leopard tanks and other munitions and weapons systems
has been hugely valued by the Ukrainians, but it's been
four hundred dollars magic drones. Magic drones to being modified
to drop grenades that have now evolved into some of
these large units capable of dropping quite large munitions across

(28:56):
hundreds of kilometers. I'm sitting here in a little again
ultra light airplane that was built in Hungary. The equivalents
of these airplanes that are built in Ukraine by a
company called Aeroprauct have been modified to be turned into
flying bombs. This plane costs sixty seventy thousand dollars. A
missile that would be an equivalent in terms of the
explosives it could carry, would cost millions and millions. So

(29:18):
Ukraine is offering us all kinds of ways to take
our strength as a country. A middle power, smallish population,
but good research and development capacity and a culture of innovation.
Let's work with them to be the test bed far
from the current front lines, to help them with developing

(29:38):
all the new tech that they need to beat Russia.
Something else you ask what we can do as a country.
Let's start to finding what our foreign policy goals are,
and beating Russia needs to be high on that list.
We have been far too slow to talk about Well,
let's try and help Ukraine survive. Da da da da da.
We need to be talking about how we beat the dictators,

(29:59):
and in the West, we beat them with our superior innovation,
research and development, and all of the strengths of Western
free societies as they've shown them over the last couple
of hundred years. So let's get those high value visa
holders from the US here. Let's ramp up our own
domestic defense industry. As we're doing that, let's make sure
we can defend ourselves over the next couple of years

(30:21):
by buying whatever gear we need from other reliable democracies.
That means not buying from the United States. I know
that's still controversial in some quarters. I know we've paid
for a handful of F thirty five fighters, but we
should not be continuing to purchase weapons from a country
that does not guarantee US the unfettered use of those

(30:42):
weapons systems. The Americans do not offer that guarantee. We
can no longer trust that the US and our foreign
policy priorities are aligned, based on the clear evidence provided
by the Trump administration since his inauguration to a second
term in January. So let's make decisions based on evidence,
and the evidence is that the US is not right

(31:03):
now a reliable partner. I hope to God they return
to that status as quickly as possible. But until and
unless they do, let's buy elsewhere, and let's work with
other democratic partnerships to build up our defense sector so
that we can become what the US was in the
Second World War, an arsenal of democracy, a vast space
with a creative, intelligent, hardworking population ready to do the

(31:25):
work to help defend democracy, not just here but around
the world. Because don't defend they're coming for us.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Cancel the F thirty five's, don't participate in the Golden Dome.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Get rid of Norarad. What are you suggesting, sir.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Well, Norad is supposed to protect us against the Russians. Today,
the US administration has announced they are suspending a significant
percentage of the US military assistance for countries bordering Russia
and Europe. The US is not a reliable ally right now.
I have no issue with NORAD continuing. I do have
an issue with US spending my life the young weapons

(32:00):
systems we can't buy. So let's take the ones that
we've already bought if we ever get them delivered. But
then let's look elsewhere for the next options for building
up our air force. And to your earlier point, let's
look at ways that we can buy more with less
by investing in drones and other unarmed or unmanned technologies

(32:21):
which are accelerating in their development at an incredibly rapid pace.
The Chinese are developing them at a rapid pace, So
the Ukrainians let's join the ranks of countries taking the
lead in that world. And another thing we can do,
which is sadly linked to the US, let's talk about
our civil defense. Ukraine was able to protect itself from

(32:42):
full scale invasion in twenty twenty two because their municipal governments,
their local administrative structures, the Ukrainian population were ready to
take up arms if they had to. Canada has no
structured civil defense forces. We need those, not just to
take the burden of our military for dealing with forest

(33:02):
fires and floods and the other issues that regularly are
happening and often end up by taking up the resources
of our military who should be dedicating their time to
war fighting preparing to defend our country. So let's build
up our civil defense capacity, both to engage Canadians in
an important national product project of defending our defense, and
also to take the birden off of our milit and

(33:27):
their benefit of us a group of Canadians who have
got some experience working as part of the structured, disciplined,
either military or quasi military structure, so that if we
do need to have additional soldiers and folks to defend
our sovereignty here or abroad, they're ready to step into
that breach. So we got to make again, these are
huge changes, but every single one of them I can

(33:47):
justify based on the clear evidence of what our opponents,
whether those are the Russians or the Chinese, or unreliable
allies like the US, or what we hear from Canadians
right now, which is that they're spooked. People are afraid,
and the only antidote to fear is a plan and

(34:07):
clear action. So let's make sure that that plan those
actions are developed using the best possible information and with
clear national priorities and objectives for Canada defined. I haven't
heard that yet, because we continue to live in this
make believe world where mister Karney and mister Pouliere continue
to pretend that we're living in some slightly scarier version
of the nineteen nineties rather than a new changed world

(34:31):
where democracies are in the back foot, the dictators are
on the march, and we are totally unprepared, both militarily
and socially for what is to come. So you started
this chat by saying, is there a war coming? The
war has started, We're just not fighting back yet. We're
still a long way from the front lines. But those
things can change quickly, and with the multiple incursions into

(34:53):
Europe this week by Russia, the sort of things that
two weeks ago where people were saying didn't happen and
weren't going to happen, we need to recognize that bad
things can happen quickly, and if we want to not
be surprised, we better start preparing for the worst and
getting ready to deal with the astonishing challenges that are
to come, which are going to affect our standard of living,

(35:13):
are going to decimate our economy, and are going to
change the way that we live our everyday lives. And
I think the only way in the democracy to do that,
to prepare for that, is to be honest with the
public and to start talking about what's to come and
getting people ready to.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Fight Dominic Carti.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
We have a sizeable deficit. We have a very significant debt.
As you mentioned, people are talking about tax cuts. We
have an economy that needs some stimulus if we're going
to deal with a potential recession that it looks like
we're possibly in, and a trade war with the United
States that clearly we're in. We're not spending two percent

(35:48):
of GDP on defense, yet you're saying it's got to
go to five.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Can we afford that?

Speaker 4 (35:55):
No, we can't afford any of the things we need
to do right now because of gross and competence our
major parties over the last number of years. Because these
things that we're talking about here today, none of these
are enormous surprises. The rise of the autocrats fueled by
Western money through incredibly poorly written trade deals, where we
magically assumed that democracy would spread in places like China

(36:18):
if we just gave them enough of our money, rather
than them doing what was incredibly obviously going to happen,
which is they took our money and used it to
build a surveillance state to control their own citizens, and
then started to expand their authoritarian power around the world.
So we are right now in an incredibly difficult position

(36:39):
for country like Canada and for the Western democracies that
since the Second World War have gone through growth and prosperity.
That's not like anything the world has ever seen where
people with you and I, regular folks were able to
sit here and have a chat looking at pictures of
each other beamed across thousands of kilometers, and we just
assume that's normal. The lights go on, that we have

(37:01):
power plants that provide us with electricity, twenty four to seven,
roads that, even though we bitch about the potholes, get
us where we need to go, all these freedoms, all
these structures. We're so used to thinking about the economy
is being the be all and end all of politics
that we've lost sight that it's politics that protects the economy.
If you don't have a structure that can guarantee that

(37:23):
people can buy and sell and trade freely, if you
don't have security, you don't have an economy. So right
now we don't have security. So I've been on the
record since my young days in the NDP as a
pretty rabid deficit hawks saying you should not spend money
you don't have, you're leaving a debt for future. During
all those lines we've heard for decades now, but right now,

(37:46):
if we don't spend money on our defense and on
ensuring that Canada's domestic stability is insured more in law
and order, but also preserving social programs that make life
tolerable for people, we risk further slide into division and
disunity that will make it harder for us to prepare
for the fight that's to come. So this is the
first time in my life, and I only say this

(38:08):
because of the gross miss management that's led us to
go into this crisis, with the huge debts and deficits
that you mentioned. Right now, we have to put our
security first, so any decisions that are made have to
start with that as the bottom line is this help
in Canada to preserve its independence, preserve its democracy, and
preserve the international order that's allowed us to be the

(38:31):
wealthy country that we are. Anything else is a distraction.
And that's why I get so enraged at this conversation
about tax cuts. There are going to be tax increases.
Mister Karney knows this. He's an economist, He's super smart.
Mister Pouliere is also no dummy. He knows this too,
and it makes the cynical posturing right now around these
budget consultations so depressing. This is not a time to

(38:53):
be talking about these across the board cuts that mister
Karney is promoting. That is absolute lunacy. Have some government
departments that should be shut down all together. We have
others that need massive amounts of new spending. But what
do we get we get this mealy mouths around the middle, Well,
you know, let's go a little bit this way, cut

(39:13):
three percent, five percent, and then the Conservatives saying, well,
maybe cut five or seven percent. This is a time
for radical change because if we don't change what we
have right now, it's going to burn down and rebuilding
what we have today in twenty twenty five in Canada.
That's when you and I are never going to see
the results of that rebuilding process if we let things

(39:35):
continue to slide much further. So, if we want to
save our healthcare system, we need to talk about reform.
My party is the first party I think in Canada
in recent decades to talk about how we need to
radically over all the healthcare system a couple of things
that more lefty folks would like, national standards, national accreditation,
some things they really don't like saying that there is

(39:56):
right now a private healthcare system in Canada called family doctors,
who are nearly entirely small business people. There is no
reason that we shouldn't be able to allow medical professionals,
not just family doctors, charge the government. So it's still
a single payer system that have competition for the provision
of services, a mixing of private and public under a

(40:17):
guaranteed public system. That is the model in most countries
that have better health outcomes than we do, France, other
countries in Europe. So let's look at radical reforms to
the institutions we have so we don't lose them, and
stop this nonsense of saying that basically it's let's just
leave things exactly the same with a couple of tweaks,
or let's just burn it all down because somehow that'll work. Well,

(40:39):
it's time for real plans based on evidence. If we
don't move in that direction, we're really risking what's made
Canada the greatest country in the history of the world.
Despite its recent challenges. I still think most Canadians believe
and know how great this country is, and it's up
to us to decide if we as citizens are going
to use our power, our responsibility to save it because us.

(41:01):
The other part that makes me nuts is the modern
ten towards politicians using social media to remake themselves a
little bit like medieval kings, where they get to beam
their messages out to the public. Don't really have to
listen to their parties or caucuses anymore, don't have to
listen to people with expertise. They can just try and
get the simplest message to the largest number of people,
with one goal of enhancing their power and authority over

(41:24):
their party, over their government. Until we embrace new technology
and the ability for all of us as citizens to
be able to communicate across the country the way you
and I now are now, and start to engage Canadians
in a political project to get this country back on track,
we're going to have a hard time. So that's why
I'm going to be spending the next year or so

(41:46):
going out meeting as many Canadians as possible and say
I don't I want you to join the Canadian Future Party,
but what I really want is for you to be
engaged in politics and to use evidence to push the
party that you prefer to make the right choices. Because
shall we get democracy back in the hands of people
to re engage them in the process, we really do
risk losing this miracle that we're lucky enough to live

(42:07):
in today called Canada.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Wow, this is quite the agenda we're going to We're
going to change democracy in Canada. We're going to increase
defense spending from under two percent to five percent. We're
going to change our immigration system. We're going to get
ready for a war that you think is a global
war that.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
We're already into. This is quite the agenda.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
And then you also say that we got to change
our attitude toward Donald Trump and the United States. We're
going to take a break for some messages and maybe
we come back in and ask you about how you
would change what we're doing, how we're negotiating, how we're
interacting with, how we're how we're livy.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
With our neighbor to the south.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Stay with us ED one back in two minutes with
Dominic Carty, the leader of the Canadian Future Party.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Stay with us EV one back in two.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
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Speaker 2 (43:10):
Welcome back everyone to the brand Kombi Radio War. I've
got Dominic Carty, the leader of a brand new political
party in Canada called the Canadian Future Party, talking about
a whole bunch of stuff. I thought were going to
talk just about immigration. But we've talked about immigration. We've
talked about how mister Cardi thinks we're in a world
war effectively already, and then we've got to ramp up
our spending defense spending to a five percent of GDP

(43:31):
right away. We've talked about our economy, We've talked about democracy.
We've talked about a lot of issues. And one of
the things that you said a couple of minutes ago
was that we're not dealing with Donald Trump in the
United States that we should be. And you said that
we've got to go back to elbows up. You said
that every single time a US politician talks about about

(43:53):
Canada being the fifty first state, or that the Prime
Minister is the governor, that we should kick out a
diplomat one day implement every single time.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
You know, at the.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Same time as you're saying that last week we saw
a steak dinner in Windsor Castle for the President of
the United States.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
So it would appear that the UK, that France.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
That other countries are really catering to Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
So you're suggesting something pretty radically different.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Sir.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
What would your strategy be to dealing with Donald Trump
if you were the Prime Minister of Canada?

Speaker 4 (44:26):
So it would be evidence based, and the evidence is
extremely clear from looking at you thousands of years of
human history, is that bullie can never be plicated by
giving them more stuff. Bullies are pushed back by strength,
and Donald Trump is a weak man. This is not
someone who has a strong ideological vision. He is someone

(44:47):
who is desperately looking for approval from those around him
and will quickly vey away when he sees it an
avenue towards telling people him how great he is. Well,
that's not a productive anymore. He'll switch to something else.
So catering to the nonsense that comes out of the
US government, which is a disgrace, in a betrayal of
the incredible democratic history of that country, which is the

(45:08):
US has been the shining beacon on the hill for
the world and has been a superpower that has been
unparalleled in terms of what it is offered to the world,
with all of the limitations and drawbacks that the US
has always had. But what we see right now is
an abandonment of that role. We're stuck living here, we're

(45:28):
next to the US. Nothing we can do about that.
So what can we do. The first thing we can
do again is to defend our independence, in our sovereignty.
So it is unacceptable under international law for the President
to say the things he has said about annexing US,
about the derogatory comments towards the Prime Minister, all the
other issues that have been endlessly chatted about in Canadian

(45:50):
media over the last few months. But it's not because
those make us mad or they're mean. It's because they're
an attack and our sovereignty. That's why they need to
be countered. We've got to exact consequences. The consequences need
to be A diplomat gets kicked out every time that's said.
That's a low level thing, it doesn't cost much money,
but it makes it clear that we're not going to

(46:10):
tolerate this sort of foolishness. In addition to that, we
should be looking at how we can move towards a
system where the Canadian economy is less dependent on the
US economy. We talked in brief about defense and buying.
The F thirty five move our defense purchasing away from
the Americans, make it clear why American businesses will be

(46:33):
hurt by that. They will start to suffer, that will
reduce their support for a president who's undermining two hundred
plus years of American legal tradition. Let's go beyond that.
Let's talk about how we can also further defend our
independence and sovereignty by building up our civil defense capacity
in Canada. Far too many Americans who are chatting enthusiastically

(46:55):
about the opportunities for the US season Greenland, Canada and
Panama talk about how how easy it would be. Let's
make it a bit harder and in the same time
make it easier for Canada to defend itself from natural disasters, fires, floods,
and have a greater reserve capacity, greater resilience to be
able to handle any other sort of crisis that may
come towards us. So there are a number of different

(47:16):
ways in which we can start to distance ourselves from
this administration. And one of the also most important things
that we can do is we can speak up as
we have in the case of other countries around the world.
Can you saying, I'm just one sec client, sorry, just
got some more than.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Dots, so you were saying yeah with the So we can.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Move on all those areas economically, But we can also
look from the perspective of human rights and democracy. We
spend our time criticizing other countries for behaving badly, repressing
the political opposition, introducing censorship. The US government is currently
doing that. They are shirting their laws, they are ignoring
the Constitution, and we are being silent, and we're being

(47:57):
silent because they're big and rich and we're scared of them.
This is foolish. The US is a vast varied country.
Many American states are controlled by either moderate Republicans or
Democrats who want nothing to do with this agenda. We
need to be building partnerships with Americans who are ready
to push back to defend freedom and democracy in the

(48:18):
same way that I've been part of American missions that
work to build ties with democrats and civil society actors
trying to make their countries better in Asia and Africa.
Why have our standards suddenly disappeared when it comes to
the United States. So let's start some different standards and
let's start having some how we enforce them. The problem

(48:40):
that we've got about at tolerating Russian incursions into our airspace.
We just we set rules and then we argue about
why we don't really need to enforce them today and
why let's just talk some more until the West starts
and Canada starts imposing consequences for bad actions. The bad
actions are going to continue, whether it's the China is
operating police stations on Canadian soil, something usherly bizarre, which

(49:04):
we have heard no updates about from the new government
to in the last few months, whether it's the US
threatening to annex us, whether it's the Russians invading Europe.
All of these that have come about because of Western
and Canadian weakness. So the way to handle past weakness
is with current and future strength. So let's define what
we mean. Probably not going to be all the things

(49:25):
I'm listing, but let's at least have the list that
the government wants, and let's stick to that, and let's
impose consequences for bad actions, because otherwise we just leave
ourselves pray to people like mister Trump who do what
they want because they get away with it. The only
way to stop dictators is what these is to stop them.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Far stronger recommendations on how to deal with the United States.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Fascinating conversation.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
We're going to take a final break and come back
with a quick concluding comment.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
In just two minutes. Stay with use everyone back in.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Two stream us live at SAGA nine sixty am, dot CA.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Welcome back everyone to the Brian Cromby Radio or I've
got Dominic Carti. He is the leader of the Canadian
Future Party. Mister Carty, you said that in your article
that democracies have lost any sense of what their country
stand for, and at the beginning of our conversation you
suggested that Canada doesn't know what it stands for. What

(50:34):
do you think Canada stands for?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
What's your vision, sir?

Speaker 4 (50:37):
I think it stands for welcoming people from here and
around the world to participate in one of the greatest
political experiments in human history, where we inherited an imperial
British tradition mixed with French elements and we built something
new where people from around the world were able to
come together and embrace the freedom of speech, freedom of
the press, freedom of political organization. That package of rights

(50:59):
and values that defines Western democracies have been expressed better
in Canada than nearly anywhere else, and what we have
here in Canada is better than nearly anything else that's
ever been seen on the face of this planet. We
need to start being clear about what that means. It
means tolerance, but not tolerance for intolerance. So it means
the right to protest, but not the rights for Islamists

(51:22):
to crowd in front of the cathedral and block other
worshippers from following their faith, or those who want to
follow no faith at all. It means the right to
contest political ideas openly and vigorously, like we're doing here today,
and to do that sometimes with anger and passion. But
to the second it crosses into violence or incitement to violence.
For the full force of the law to be applied,

(51:43):
it means that justice needs to be done quickly and clearly,
be seen to be delivered so that people feel safe
in their homes and feel that this is a country
where they can invest and build and be confident that
their family and their investments are going to be protected,
and a place where Canada wreckognizes that the values that
I'm talking about are not values restricted to Canada, but

(52:05):
values that are human values. And to do our best
to make a world where the dictators are defeated so
that they don't keep on coming after us. Because in
nineteen forty five, we let the Soviets continue, and that's
boomerang back to hurt us. Now we let the rush,
we gave money to the Chinese, that's boomerang back against us.
Let's trade with democracies, full fair, free trade, and let's

(52:27):
cut off the dictators so they leave us alone, and
that they leave their citizens alone. Ultimately to live the
same sort of lives that we want here in Canada,
to enjoy ourselves, to hang out little airports, to go snowmobiling,
to play badminton in the summer, to sleep in on
a Saturday, not worrying about what the government's going to
say to you. To go to work, make your money

(52:48):
and live free. That's what my Canada is about.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Dominic Carde, leader of the Canadian Future Party, thanks so
much for joining us. If people want to check you
enter your party out, how do they best do that?

Speaker 4 (52:58):
You can just write me an email if you want
to leader at the Canadian Future Party dot CA go
to that website as well, and I always make the practice,
even though it drives my staff crazy. Give me a
phone call, can call me an area code five six
two three eight five five five zero. I love talking
to Canadians about what we can do to make our
country better. Let's get on that. My party is obviously
how I think we should move this agenda ahead, but

(53:19):
let's just talk about how we engage Canadians in politics
to save politics, save democracy, save our country.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
What a fascinating conversation tonight, Thank you so much. We've
talked about immigration.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
We've talked about how our defense spending has got to increase,
that mister Cardi thinks that we are in a world
war effectively already. We've talked about trade, particularly in regards
to the United States. We've talked about the lunacy he
thinks of talking about tax cuts during this time. And
we've talked about his vision for Canada and for democracy.
Really quite the extensive agenda. That's our show for tonight.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Everybody. Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
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