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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
What's up everybody?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
This is Hea't Override and I'm ready to bring the
pain for you and doctor Roto this week. Oh yeah,
I got a special guest, an MMA kind of guy.
It's been an MMA kind of weekend, UFC weekend, Connor Sitefert.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to bring the pain. How are you doing today?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm good, I'm good. I can't complain. Beautiful Sunday started
off with jiu Jitsu open Matt. Now, I'm just here
talking to you, so that wouldn't have it any other way.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm happy that you were able to fit us and
you're your schedule today, so thank you for coming on.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I want to definitely expend that out.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
It was great to see you on the fight card
a couple of weeks ago on the Bizarro's card.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Was it the Bayfront Brawl eighteen? Yes, that was awesome.
So we'll talk about that in a few moments.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
But first, you know, I see all that snow coming
down and I'm like, man, I don't want to shovel now, right?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah? No, I always say it every year, And I've
told I tell everybody all the time. I'm like, you know,
if I could just move somewhere a little bit more south,
But then I never do, you know what, I just
end up putting up with it. But I used to
love it a lot when I was a kid. But yeah,
now now it's doesn't seem like that much fun to me.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, I feel the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I remember when I used to just roll down those hills,
whether there would be snow on them or not. And
I'm like, that is probably why my body aches a
little bit too much at times. Nowadays, we'll not be
doing that again.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Oh yeah, Now I've had my fair share of when
I thought I could snowboard, hit my head off the ground,
and accidents for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh yeah, well, well you you put you definitely push
it a little farther.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Because of course you're the You're the owner of the.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Oasis MMA Academy in Erie, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
So tell us a little bit about your place.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, for Gyms and Eerie were new. I just opened
up April fifteenth of this year. Uh no, man, it's
it's been great. It's been something in the works for
a long time. I don't know about anybody else. But
I mean when I first started training, like I think,

(02:27):
I just had this idea in my mind where I
was like, man, I just love this so much, like
I would love to share this with somebody else, and like,
you know, I always uh, you know, I I started
training in Meadville and I I started training at Southwick's
Kickboxing studio. It's no longer, but at the time, you know,

(02:47):
I always really I've had the mentors in my life
that have brought me up, always like looked up to them.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
You know, at that time, I'm like, man, like I
want to do this, you know what I mean, Like
I want to have a place. And it was funny
because back then I was like this is what I
would call it. I would call it the oasis. And
like years went by, and you know, there was times
where I didn't think about it, times that I would
think about it, and you know, this last I'd say,

(03:18):
you know, from January to April, I just like I
was obsessed with this idea of just making it happen,
and just things fell into place. I had the opportunity
and uh yeah, and all just fell into line. A
little bit about the place, Uh we we have morning classes,

(03:38):
uh a few days a week. We have afternoon classes
Monday through Friday, and then I have a couple of
evening classes. Yeah, and we got a great group of
guys in there, a lot of brand new guys. You know,
they didn't have a ton of prior experience. Maybe they
did some wrestling, so, you know, just building some people

(04:00):
from the ground up. Uh, We've got a few people
in there that's had some experience. But yeah, other than that, man,
I you know, I like to think that it's just
a it's a place for the misfits to come and
you know, let their personalities out and uh, you know,
have that place that they look forward to going each week.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
So I agree with that. That's that's practically what drives me.
It's that's one of the driving factors that the reason
why I go to.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
T K o Erie.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
So we both know Aaron, So yeah, that guys, we
love that, and I know that you were a coach.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
We'll get the you coached Aaron when he went up
to Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
That's correct, right, yes, sir, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yes, we'll get to that in a few moments.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
But yes, when you know it was you know, so
I'm the resident old guy at TKO Eerie and for
me one day it was kind of like my oldest
daughter was there a long time ago, and then she
came into town and introduced my youngest daughter, who had
been under other systems in Erie, and so now she
was like, you know, let's get to this place cheaper,

(05:02):
you know, better, better results. And so we got over
there and met Master Arrington and I was like, all right,
this this place is good. So about a year and
a half in, the daughter just goes to me and
she goes, Dad, Dad, come on, man, just come to class.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
One time. Wife's laughing at me, and I'm just like,
all right, all right, let let's go.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
And I survived the first two hour class, and I've
figured I was like athletic. You know, I had been
a I drove truck and had to do delivery stuff,
run around like a ups guy.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
So it wasn't like I was a slouch in the building.
But you know, that was different.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
And here I am now six years later, and being
able to do it next to my daughter has been
one of the driving factors. But the other driving factors
is also being part of that team and them becoming bigger,
your your biggest supporters.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
You see them more than the.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
People that you grew up with, because everybody's got their
own thing they're doing in life. But the things that
we do bring us together one on the place, and
that's at your academy and that's at our doju at.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, No, absolutely I was. I spent a lot of
time thinking, you know, of like the things that drive
me to do what I do. And you know you
talked about like for you as like your daughter. I
think for me, I felt like I wasted a lot

(06:29):
of my high school years from like thirteen to twenty one,
or you know what I mean. I you know, I
was choosing the wrong path. I was abusing things that
I shouldn't have shouldn't have been doing. I was getting
into trouble, and I think, like what drove me and

(06:50):
what still drives me is, you know, I had potential
to to wrestle and do pretty well in wrestling in
high school, at least that's what I was told. And
you know, it's like one of those thoughts that I
just couldn't let go where it was like I don't
think I ever let my competitive edge have the space

(07:10):
to play, and like that's kind of like what drove
me to finding a place first? You know, I was
going to the gym, regular gym. I had lost a
bunch of weight, but like the driving forces, I just
like needed something else. And you know, I think that

(07:31):
that still kind of drives me. That that's now it's
just different phases of it is like you know, being yeah,
feeling like feeling filling the shoes that I felt that
I didn't give myself a chance to put on, you
know what I mean whenever I was a little younger.
I'm still pretty young twenty seven, but yeah, but yeah, no,

(07:54):
I that that driving factor is is huge. It makes
the time fly, you know, it makes the time fly.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
It does you bring that up as a good factor
that you know, you find that is that's kind of
your driving factor, the different levels of level of factors
that kind of drive you. So of course, you know,
for us, of course that would be the belt system
of where we come. I assume that you have some
kind of promotion system within your system.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Is that correct?

Speaker 1 (08:17):
So at the oasis, I don't have it like a
belt system at the moment, I am. I follow a
belt system under my coach that I train out of
and aspire Geneva, Ohio. At the Spire Institute. It's a
Helson Gracie combat club, so we do jiu jitsu belts.

(08:43):
So I at the moment, I'm a four stripe blue belt,
so I'm not actually allowed to rank other people. So
but in the future, you know, and getting everything together,
the plan is to have my coach, Cody Lewis, kind

(09:03):
of oversee my academy as the black belt and and
rank guys up that way, because you know, you're right,
it is a very much driving force to like what
do I have to do to get to that next
that next thing. And I'm right there, like you know,
I'm right at that like edge of getting my purple belt.

(09:25):
So that's definitely one of the like driving factors right
in front of me of you know, going to practice
each week, working new technique, looking at new technique, studying.
But yeah, no, at the moment, I'm I'm actually unable
to belt people. But it's something I'm definitely putting in

(09:46):
the works, uh, with my coach, to be able to
have him kind of oversee the the promotions at my
gym until I'm I believe it's uh, don't quote me
on it, because I might be wrong, and I think
you have to be a brown belt in jiu jitsu
to be able to start promoting people. And then there's

(10:08):
some different factors in there with like you can only
promote people up to a certain rank and then you
you know, you get your black belt and you know
there's some politics behind it and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
But yeah, yeah, I could see it.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know when I talked to one of our other
sen says Matt Borzcon, and he talks about the different
the different levels in the Pokemon system and what he
does and that there's like like a committee, so there's
your politics. I'm like, oh gee, there's a committee. And
he was telling us some of the things and he goes,
sometimes I don't like dealing with it, and I was like,
I wouldn't either.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Who's like there's no committee?

Speaker 3 (10:44):
You know, being under Master Brian, he is the all factors,
so that that right now, there is no committee, there
is no that When he promotes, he promotes and make
you know, he does it, you know, civil he brings
everybody else up is well too. He has other black
belts signs so that everybody is level and they presents

(11:05):
everything out, so you know, being more of a karate
because that's his background and everything with that. So you know,
it's it's great learning all the different systems and being
able because I really I know that you'll have a
few of the guys come in as wrestlers, BJJ guys
and stuff like that, and it's all different for me
as a point fighter, I'm not going to do that.

(11:25):
You know, I'm in the thirty five plus division. That's
what I do, that's how I fight, that's what I own,
and for me, that's what I trained for. But of
course the competition is a lot younger than me, so
they get us ready for those next matches.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
And speaking of which.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
You had that watch a match as I think the
general's name was turblin there and you thought that you
had you ended up winning. You got the decision, do
you want to walk us through that match real quick
and quick in what did you do different this time
in growing as opposed to maybe your last time you
were in the octagon?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah? Yeah, no, absolutely so it actually ended up being
I think they it comes out labeled as a TKO,
but it was honestly the weirdest fight that I had, uh,
because in between the first and second round, there was
something that happened in the crowd with a gentleman. He

(12:25):
I think I had heard, not one hundred percent, but
I think i'd heard he maybe had a seizure, so
he had to get taken care of and they had
to ambulance him out of there. So then we were
not able to compete until another ambulance came on site,
so that could be you know that. You know, I
know how it felt for me. You know, you gotta

(12:46):
stay locked in, and I felt like I did that
pretty well, you know, And I don't know what that
feels like for for Jesse, my opponent, But it ended
up we did the first round, waited twenty minutes, we
did the second round, and Jesse had decided that there
was something going on with his eye and that he

(13:06):
was not going to continue. So it ended up being
a TKO. But really he just didn't answer the third bell. Yeah,
great fight. I think this what had changed, not necessarily
just for this fight, but I know I had had
to change since my had I fought four times this

(13:29):
year in February. I I used to make very big
weight cuts, and those weightcuts were catching up to me.
I was making thirty thirty pound weightcuts and you know

(13:50):
the time of camp and just I was, you know
at that time, still amateur, so same a lot of
the same day weigh ins, and it was just like
getting to me. So I had to change my strategy
on that. I had to I had to like take
I had to take care of some things, get some
blood work done, you know, I had to fix some
thyroid stuff, just because cutting so heavy and so many

(14:14):
times within a short amount of time actually will tank
your hormones and and things like that. So I had
to change that. There was no way that I was
going to continue to accept fights at a reasonable time.
And then another thing is I uh I started working
with a boxing coach. I was unable because my my

(14:36):
gym that I fight out of and represent is out
of Ohio, and sometimes my work schedule doesn't line up
with the striking days out there. And I just like
fell on an opportunity to work with Drew McNair uh
and uh man, it's been great, it's been great. And
and having that, yeah, having that, and I'd say that

(14:59):
that was the the big change that was made in
in the middle of this year. And now just like
working with him and getting comfortable, and then having Drew
and Cody kind of mash up and work together and
you know, helped me, Like Chris, my style up has
been great.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
This last camp specifically, I really worked on mentality. My
pro debut in August, I went out there, I felt
like I fought a very technical fight, but I didn't
fight with aggression. You know. I think, I think, as
my coach Drew would say, is like, you know, sometimes
we go out there, we box and sometimes we fight.

(15:38):
You know what I mean in the difference is aggression.
So I really tried to go out there this time
with staying calm but being more intentional and way more Uh.
I don't know if I would say violent, but aggressive
in my movement, so I think that the yes, So

(16:00):
that's time I'd say that. That was probably something I
worked a lot in this camp building up was just
the mentality of you know, because you know, I've been
knocked out a couple of times, so sometimes you get
in there and you got to get over that fear
of that one punch will put your lights out. And uh,
you know, I I I have great coaches, and I

(16:21):
have great people around me, and and like I also
myself do some digging into like mentality stuff that I've
you know, I I'm normally good with that, you know,
with that like overcoming the psychology of that, but it
always pops up when it's time to when it's time
to ride. And this time I was able to, you know,
these last couple of times, I've been able to just

(16:45):
accept it, get in there and do it for the
love of the game, you know. And uh, I think
before I put myself on a big pedestal of like
I needed, I have to. I have to perform this way.
I can't lose, you know what I mean, It's unacceptable now,
you know. I just have to remember that why do
it and go out there and have fun you know,

(17:09):
like it is technically a job for me now, but
like I can't, I can't treat it like that, Like
I still have to treat it like I just love it,
like I can't live without it. And I had to
I had to like shape that mentality of like not
looking at it like work and just like have fun, man,

(17:31):
just like I did. But there was like a probably
like a six month period where I got really serious
about these having have nots. I'm not allowed to, you know,
and I had to like let that go, cause like
it's the fight game and anything can happen.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
So and that's that's that's really big. Now.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
I I have been thankfully, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
There's a chance that could happen.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
I have not been knocked out yet, but I've had
my bell rung just like all the rest of us.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
This is karate.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
There's kicks that come flying from different angles that you
just you just don't see coming sometimes. You know, even
one of our teenage teenage boys and well, i'd say
he's got a mustache, so he's kind of big, and
he's taller than me. He whipped off this. He always
does this, like three at combo. And the one time
he decided to just throw up a reverse hook kick

(18:21):
and I go oh, and he got me right on
the back. It wasn't a hard hit, but I was like, bam, okay,
you know, so as as that's kind of like the
camaraderie that we have with that battling and that learning
you are right.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
So there were serious moments.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
There was a point that you know, I couldn't crash.
I couldn't I couldn't lose. And most of the part
with the point fighting, it's not like what you do,
because what you do, you know, you can be more
seriously hurt because in some tournaments they don't allow face contact,
and then you know, but then I get in a
lot of trouble with those tournaments, and and and that's

(18:58):
for me. One of my keys is the backfist in
the reverse punch. So in the point fighting, when I
launch off the go to get that point, I can
do that. If if that's taken away, then I have
to use that more as a block and rely on
the reverse.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Punch, so it gets tricky.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
But of course moving off base centers and things like that,
that's what happens in that sports. So there was a point,
But I also thought there was a It was a
double champion.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
This guy named me. He came in.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
He was under a different system black belt before though,
but now he's a brown belt and he was nineteen.
Nobody would fight me in my division. Nobody would fight
me in the thirty five plus novice division either nobody
would move up and fight me. So I was like,
I wasn't gonna get a fight. So he wins his division.
He just loves fighting, and he actually took the fight

(19:49):
on and I was like, I've never fought anybody that
I've been taller than because I'm only five nine, and
I go, all right, well this should be fun.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
So I I just went after him and attacked him.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
You said that sometimes you know, we go out and
we just do technique. But now as I've matured more
instead of fighting with more of like an aggression and
getting in a lot more trouble like I did last
year when I was working through things like with my
brother and one of my son says passing, which was
you know, that was you know, it just had to

(20:22):
work out and it seemed to come out in my fighting.
And when that, when I went through all that, this
year was more of a learning stage to where I
learned how to control myself, control that be more technical,
use my legs, which in my age division, a lot
of people don't use their legs because they've.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Had a lot of surgeries and stuff. So it's a
different fight.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Know your rules, And that's exactly what you were saying.
You know, you go into these matches up here, but
until you actually learn your way around the mats, then
you truly that's when you truly start learning, because that
aspect sometimes can't be duplicated at the rate it's in
that ring.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
And sometimes you have to work on yourself.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
And that's the time that you work on yourself when
it's one verse one you verse somebody else.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
No, absolutely absolutely, And those those are the I mean,
that's really like the beauty of it, you know, like
the diverse. Uh I don't know what we're what we're
to fill in there, but like the diverse. Uh, yes, yes,

(21:32):
there is no there, there is no like cut and dry.
This is what works for everybody. So like when when
when I go out there, you know, when we go
out there, there's something to be learned each time. And
for me, you know, I think of it as like
I'm gaining another piece of my my puzzle I'm trying

(21:54):
to put together. And it's great to have a team
that you can come back and and and kind of
figure that puzzle out, that that new piece and figure
out where it goes, you know, And that's great, you know,
And and you had kind of touched on just some

(22:14):
outside things even outside of fighting that can play a
very big role into your performance or just even your training.
And like you know, I I think that that that's
something too that you know, I I had lost my
uncle in the beginning of the year, and I think

(22:36):
that that played a really big part in me of
like I don't know doing it, uh, Like I don't
know if it was just like what I needed to
get through it, but I was like, what would Uncle
Ron want to see me? Do you know, like what
would uh? And yeah exactly, So it was like, I

(23:00):
think I take that in there with me all the time,
you know, in different aspects, like and I and I
get different pieces of it because you know, we love it, right,
but sometimes it's sometimes competing at higher and higher levels
gets you know, it can get to your nerves a
little bit, so like yeah, and you got and you

(23:22):
gotta learn you gotta learn to combat that part.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah and uh.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
And I think that those are the different things, like
those those little things that we know that like lights
the fire in us that you got you gotta use
to to get in there and uh, you know, apply
the pressure. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
That's actually like so that's my my aggressive I'm I'm
a high blitzer. The minute you drop your leg or
if I slap it down, I'll like, I'm not a
leg grabber.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
So I'm a leg slapper.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
So most of the time I'll slap and I'll bring
in the back the reverse punch rate into the back,
So that's what it does.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
But also, of course being in you know, karate and.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Practicing the kicks, I've been able to through a lot
of the training and what we do in the motivation
we do, I've been able to get a better stretch
and then that's allowed me to do more kicks.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
It's opened up a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
So for that, for me, it's just like you said,
every day learning, every day progression, just becoming better, becoming
a better part ourselves, because that's why we do this.
This is not more than passion. Some people could go, well,
I'm a gym rat. I'm a just No, this isn't
a gym rat thing. This is we go there and
we truly love it and it's a part of what
we do daily, every day, every single week to get

(24:40):
better and go that in the next division.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Oh yeah, it's moving meditation. I tell that to my
guys all that time, all the time. It's moving no
matter what is going on in my day to day.
You know, when I whether I'm coaching or whether I'm training,
I'm not thinking about anything else. Yeah, and like that's
big for me, you know what I mean, And that

(25:04):
that's the thing and like just the like we kind
of like talked, we're basically talking fight theory. We are
so that I was just having this conversation with uh
my boxing coach Drew McNair where it's just like I'm

(25:24):
fascinated with the feeling, the thought and everything behind the
little movements where it's like, yes, when I throw this punch,
I I made this very slight change. Maybe it doesn't
look like it, but to me, I'm like, oh, now

(25:46):
instead of having my foot like this, I moved it
over an inch and I turned you know, like the
little the little things of like this like mind and
body connection to me, that's why I love it. Like
I like, even if I never fought again in the cage,
I don't not sure that I could. I'm not sure
I could go without training and I go without challenging

(26:10):
my mind to use my body uh to the percent
of its capability. Like I think for me, that that
is what truly excites like excites me and my like
weekly training regiment of like okay, we were working on
this uh stepping overhand last week this is how it

(26:34):
felt kind of fell off. What can I do this
week to make that feel right? And uh, it seems
so minor And it's not as as as Drew would say,
it's not sexy work, right, Like, it's not it's not
sexy training. It's not super appealing. It's just the basic
stuff that you train over and over and and I

(26:55):
think that's the difference between martial arts and people that
I don't know if hobbyists would be the right word,
or like or just you know, like, and it's not
that one's better than the other. But no, I love it,
you know what I mean, Like, I don't get bored
of it. I think I think there's been I think

(27:16):
there's been times where me and Drew have thrown only
three different types of combinations for an hour, you know
what I mean. And there's been times where at jiu
jitsu where we're training uh, side control and we're training
two or three moves for an hour, and I just like,
I'm loving the process of learning how to make my

(27:37):
body do these things that uh yeah, no, I I
it's just that part is is the is a big
driving for it. Like it's not the driving force, but
it keeps the flame, it keeps the coals burning for that.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's right there, Like so you and you talked about
we're talking about fight theory. It was I remember practically
there was other times, but this was the first true
time that I remember it's slowing down for me, Like
people that don't fight don't know what it's like when
the fight slows down. So I was fighting in it

(28:15):
was a battle for the Crown a couple of years ago,
and I launched off because this dude was getting kind
of close and he was doing this goofy kind of
diving and he was he was jumping at me like
and just trying to play tag. But I didn't want that,
so I kind of got really mad that he got
a couple of points off of that.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I wanted to launch off the go and make a point.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
So when I made the point, I hit him twice
and as I brought my reverse hand, I remember his
head turning like this and I go, oh, boy, bat
and he just went flying back.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's on video.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
It's it's pretty brutal, like when I just cock him
with it, right, and then I'm like, it was like
slow motion to me. I mean that that at rate there. Man,
It's truebex See, sometimes people don't understand.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Oh yeah, no, I that that slowing down process. I
was my my coach, Cody, he would always tell where
it We're like, we're getting ready to walk out, and
he's like he'd always just patience, Connor patience because I
was always the fighter to come out first round and
I'm just reacting. I couldn't even tell you what happened

(29:23):
in the first round. It was just like I was
reacting so much that I don't think I was ever
actually in the moment. Yeah, And then it would always
take me to get like to they I never really
sat on a stool in my amateur career because the
coach would be like, you know, Cody wouldn't let us
sit down. But when I would get over there and

(29:44):
I talked to Cody and i'd make it through the
first round, then I'd be like, I'm in it, okay,
Like now I can like like it slows down a
little bit, but it's still that that kind of fast
paced where I'm still reacting. But it probably took. It
probably took even just for me, and I think it's
probably different for everybody, but for me, it took probably

(30:06):
until about my sixth amateur fight for it to start
slowing down for me. I don't know what clicked, but
it just like I was like, okay, like I don't
have to Uh. He's throwing a jab, which before felt
like it was coming at me a million miles an hour.
Now it's just like real speed, you know, And.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
I think that, Yeah, dude, it's like type stuff, you know,
just to add in and then go back on what
you were saying, real there, real quick, Sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
There was this, there was this, so three times.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
They're this same guy, this gentleman Robert from another school
down in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
He did that.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
He he loves to do this, this spinning sidekick. It's
too slow in this age division, and with me being
highly aggressive with the blitz, normally I would just I
would just reverse punch them, reverse punch them. They are
both on video. Well last year he went to try
to lead off my blitz with that, and I saw

(31:08):
it come in and I sidekicked him and he just
he hit and just twirled all across the ground. I
mean it was it was brutal, but I was like,
it slows down that much, right?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely and I even like jiu
jitsu does that for me. And now now I'm able
to like and I'm sure like even if it like
if we were to like you talked about looking back
at the video when you watch your oh but in
the moment, it felt so much slower. You know, it's
a as you're throwing the punch, but in real time

(31:41):
when you watch the video back, and that's great, man like,
and I think that that those moments alone too are
something that you I don't think any unless you compete
in a combat sport, that's not something you're gonna get,
you know what I mean, maybe you know there might
be you know, it might be different like uh, but

(32:04):
uh no, that was that that that's always a cool thing.
And to be able to like it slows down enough
that you're like thinking in the chaos and you're able
to like move through the chaos and uh, you know
it feels slow, but we're that that thought to like

(32:26):
body reaction is happening like this, and uh, it's such
a it's such a like you said that matrix feeling
and it's really cool. Yeah, And it becomes more it
becomes more feeling an instinct than it is like, oh,
I see that I'm going to do that. I see

(32:47):
that I'm going to do that, like and I and
I and I try to like I don't preach it
to my guys, but when when I when they're picking
my brain and I'm just I try to like let
them know, you know, after sparring like it, you don't
want to look like you're looking for stuff, you know,
like I could tell, I could tell you're almost like waiting.

(33:08):
And I think the important part and something that changed
for me was I always used to look for openings
and I wouldn't throw unless I felt like I created
the opening enough. Yeah, now I'm just throwing and I
am still looking, but I don't look like I'm looking

(33:28):
for the opening, you know. I don't look like I'm
looking for the attack. And before I would, you know,
I'm staring right at where I'm trying to punch, you know,
and things like that, and yeah, and uh and again
I think it just it comes down to some time
and uh, you know, I can account for some of

(33:49):
these things of like working with uh, with Drew with
my hands is he does some cognitive drills that I
would have never even have thought of, you know, and
it's some of the things like that. And then he

(34:09):
like he has you do it, and he's like, well,
don't look like you're looking for it like he has.
You know, I'm sure, I'm sure. Maybe I'm spilling his
secrets when he want, I'll share this with him. But uh,
he has a little board with numbers on it and
you're throwing let's just say it, jab at the number combinations,
but you can't look like you're looking for the next number.

(34:30):
You kind of have to continue to idle in your
stance and and then hit those numbers once you process it,
and uh, it's a it sounds simple, and it is
a simple drill once you kind of like get it down.
But the the shifting perspective that that gave me was like, Okay,

(34:53):
you know, like uh like uh Liota Machida back in
the day, he he would stay people's feet and kick
you in the face. You know, it's very the mental
aspect of that. And I was like it kind of
changed my, uh my perception. And when I start like
looking at different fights and I'm like, oh, man, like

(35:15):
that's that's the different level, you know what I mean.
So when you're trying to set stuff up, people are
reading your facial expressions, you're where you're looking. So if
I can almost trick you in the moment with doing that.
But it took me, like it took me doing these
these drills that had shifted my perspective, you know, and

(35:36):
it wasn't for such a great coaching team and people.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
You know, yeah, you have that of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
People can see our progress before we do or the
things that we need to work on before we do.
We might feel like, you know, we're all our own
like biggest critic, but it is nice to have people
like uh Master Brian, people like my coaches Drew and Cody,

(36:05):
to be like, all right, I see you're doing this.
This is how we're gonna move forward, you know, because
like I can have all these great ideas, but if
Connor gets in the way, you know, Connor doesn't really
know best, so it's like I'll shoot I feel bad
for him because I'd be shooting ideas off off them
all the time. I'm like, well what about this, and
I'm like, well.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Just yeah, yeah, he gets me.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
So sometimes you know, I'll I'll just word it wrong
and then we'll be caught up in the moment and
he has a way of getting us right. So he goes,
he goes, yeah, I was like, I was, I meant
to do a spinning hook kick and said, I said,
a spinning roundhouse.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
And he goes, wait a minute, wait a minute, you
can do.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
A spinning roundhouse. I go, no, there's a guy and
he goes, well, show me. Everybody stop. Rob's gonna show
us this move. I'm like, you know, I'm sitting there.
I'm like, oh boy, here we go. And then I
go to do it and I throw hook cook he goes, exactly,
that's not a spinning roundhouse. For the next like ten minutes,

(37:07):
he has us all practicing this.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
So it was like it was just crazy. It was
one of those ways.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
But it was like he took it, he put it
out there, corrected me. So that's like it becomes a joke.
I you know, I think Aaron might have been there
when then that happened, because there's there's just always good moments.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
When everybody's around having that fun.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
But like you said, to break it down, to do
it to like I said earlier, to move from a
to read to read somebody, to go from a punch
punch to an actual sidekick, is where we get better.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
So that's what I do. Love.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Is there something you did as sports as a kid
that was part of that driving factor?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Now?

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Is that something you had talked about growing up and
everything earlier? Did you play sports as a child as well?

Speaker 1 (37:53):
So, I mean I I played. I really did all
the things from like kindergart you know what I mean,
Like I did t ball, I did I did soccer,
I played youth football, you know. And my family was
really like like my mom's side of the family is
very big wrestling family. And I wrestled up until like

(38:17):
I wrestled fifth grade. Took my sixth grade year off,
and I like seventh grade. But I just couldn't get
out of my own way. Man. I just, uh, you know,
I started, I started, you know, abusing substances and at
a young age, and you know, I at that time
I had it was just more important, you know. And
so I played a little bit of sports, but nothing

(38:38):
like super consistently after like I after eighth grade, seventh grade,
I really didn't do anything super consistently other than getting
get in trouble. But uh, to tie that back in,
I think that, like I was saying earlier, it is
like I think my brother went D one and wrestling,

(39:04):
and uh, you know, I think it was like I
just felt like I was capable of more than I
gave myself the opportunity to. But once I got back in, like,
I don't know if i'd say I move athletically. Uh,
I'm more like more like a chimpanzee that moves around
all weird. But uh, I would like to Yeah, I would.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I would.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I would like to think that now over the years,
I have kind of like tapped into, uh that athletics,
that athleticism, but I'm definitely still Uh, I wouldn't say
I'm a natural, like a natural athlete. You ever meet
those people that are just like natural athletes?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Yeah, we have a few come through our store, our gym,
of course, Derek being one of them. There's a guy
that just actually went off into the military.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
This dude would do the he's like spin kicks.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
He would start going into these things and he would
just he would do like the fancy moves everybody does,
but because he was so rock hard solid, these moves
just had more of an intent and his.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Opponents were just getting pummeled by.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
I was It's like, man, this this is crazy, but
it's yeah, like there's some crazy, crazy athletic dudes, and
those guys are why I can move fast.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
That's why.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yes, that's that's if you can, if you if my
forty seven year old self could keep up with those
while even my daughter kicks my ass sometimes too.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I mean, but she's you know, she's that level.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
She's a black belt under Brian, say Brian, and she
you know, she just she it's slower for her.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
She fights better competition.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
But it's different because like me, of course, I fight
a bunch of old guys that don't kick, but when
I fight a lot of the other guys, I do kick.
I use kicks but sparingly. In in practice, I use
them when I need to, but in fights I use
them with intent. But like with her, she knows exactly
my bread and butter. So we get like a father

(41:05):
daughter kind of go off. And I'm sitting there and
I'm like, if I get like the better on her,
or she gets the better on me, somebody will shake
their shoulders like this, and I'm like, okay, all right,
all right whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
But every once in a while I do piss her off,
and she stuck me really good. On Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
I'd wrapped this up on a breeze book, but dude,
I I did a side step backhand rake through her face.
And of course, you know, I don't use my power
in practice. I saved my power for the tournaments. And
so I got her on the side and I kind
of laughed and I did the little shimmy. She literally

(41:43):
turned around. I saw these eyes literally blow through me.
I went to defend, and all I felt was my
rib go eek.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
And I'm like, oh, wow, there you go.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
We created our own demons sometimes, Oh yeah, yeah, the
consequence of our own actions for sure. Yeah. No, And
it is great like that that. Uh. I have guys
just like that, you know out at the gym that
I I fight out and train. Now that that healthy

(42:19):
competitive edge that you know that like iron sharpens iron
just going back and forth, you know, and I and
I like to think that I'm attempting. I'm in the
process of building, you know, that of the oasis as well,
and like I do, I really do have some athletic guys.
You know, a couple of guys that played football, a

(42:41):
couple of wrestlers coming and they really just watching them
push each other back and forth.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
You know, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
What it's about. You know, it's what it's about. So
it's nice to have that like uh that healthy uh
need to like I'm like, all right, you got me,
next time, I'm gonna get you. Yeah. It kind of.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Look in our fight, in our in our sparring, of
course it gets it's it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
The sparring knights.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
At t k OH, of course, are a lot a
lot more aggressive than what the point funding tournaments are,
unless it's like a continuous match, which are sometime of offered,
but not so much like in my division.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
That's more of like the black belts, and then it
will be open weight. So when they're doing.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
All that, that's crazy. But you talk about this, the
coaching that goes on, the camaraderie, the bringing it up,
and I know that you know you you you get
there with your team, and I know that there's a
fine line. So you on top of coaching them getting
for you ready for your next fight, you have to
alter coach yourself. You also have to listen and coach

(43:45):
and have you know, be subject to criticisms from other
people when heading into a fight yourself. How do you
motive how do you find a way to be able
to still be the coach but prepare for your fight
coming up.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I think for me, I always like to keep the
perspective of I, I don't know everything. I'm a very
like I'm a I'm a toddler in this game, especially

(44:25):
in the coaching world. I'm very I'm very green in
the coaching world. And I am never afraid to ask
questions and I'm never afraid to sit there. I mean,
I'm I might get excited and talk over you a
little bit, but I really try try.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
My best to listen and uh and I just apply
the knowledge that I seek and that I get and
give it to my guys.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
I think just the.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
I don't think I've dealt with like having to separate,
like being being an athlete and being a coach. I
think that I try to be the coach, like I
try to be the kind of coach that has got

(45:20):
me to where I'm at so and I and I'm
still actively in it. So like I see the way
that Drew coaches me, I see the way that h
Cody Lewis coaches me. Brad Bukovic is the other coach
out at Helston Gracie Combat Club, and I kind of
take my combined perspective of their coaching theories and I

(45:44):
have just applied to my guys and uh, you know,
and and I'm there will be times where maybe I'll
be coaching something and then I'll learn how to do
it a little bit better as an athlete, and then
I let the guys know, like, hey, guys, I know
I maybe I showed this move this way, but this
is what I've been working on and I feel like

(46:06):
this is better. Yeah, yeah that I you know that,
and or or I've coached it this way and now
my coach Cody has changed the grip. I now I
want to share that with you guys. And I think
that that has yet hit me where I have to
really divide myself other than you know, when I have

(46:29):
guys that want to compete I have, I have to
be selfish for myself, so I really try to balance that.
I'd say that that's the only thing that can get
a little tricky is like making sure that because I'm
in the process of trying to, you know, make it
as far as I can. So sometimes when things pops

(46:54):
up and you know, there's an event and some of
the guys want to compete, but I'm just not able
to do it. And there's not a lot of times
that has happened. But I really try to like find
that balance and sometimes i'd have to be a little
bit more selfish. But uh, like I said, I haven't

(47:14):
run into that a lot. And my guys are great
there you know.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Uh, you have that you have the team around you,
so that yeah, everybody is up. Yeah you need work,
somebody else steps in. That's the way the team's supposed
to be, right.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely so.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Thinking of that, and speaking of coaching, you you took Aaron,
a fellow student. Uh, you know, he's a fellow student
at t comes over. He always comes through, always has
a smile, always does the food, food critics. I always
mess with him every time he does stuffing up like
that was that taco buddy does stuff for you? What
was the experience like taking him up to Buffalo and

(47:52):
in that fight.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Man, I just is is uh, it is a great experience,
like and I'm just, uh, I'm grate that that I
got to have the opportunity to, you know, be the
coach in his corner. I would I had shared with
my my coach Cody. I was like, I was like,
is this what you felt? You know? Is it you

(48:14):
Like I was more nervous than I like before a fight,
you know, because like I'm not in there, I'm not
in controlst because this like this is how you feel.
And he goes, yes, he was every time. So it
was great, man, like, and I and I had full
confidence and error. And he works hard. He works hard
with me, works hard with you guys, and uh, you

(48:35):
know when he went up there, like you kind of
gotta like, uh, like, I know what it feels like
to be nervous for your first fight. So it's like,
you know what I mean, Like I always try to, uh,
you know, be the person that I need when I'm
when I'm kind of freaking out a little bit. So
you know, it just playing music, hanging out, heyby Crack

(49:00):
a couple jokes, stay locked in. But it was a
good experience, man, and that and that K four promotion
is great. Everything was run smoothly, you know, and uh yeah,
I mean he fought a good fight. He fought a
good fight, and uh we just got a little gassed
out at the end of the second round. And he

(49:21):
trudged through, you know, but it's definitely was It was
definitely a great experience for me. And uh, you know,
it's just one of those things to it drives me
to want to be better, you know, like when I'm
yelling things from the corner. You know, it's those things

(49:42):
where I'm like, okay, I got a like instead of
saying it like this, maybe in the heat of the moment,
if I explain it like this, it'll you know, hit
a little bit more, you know what I mean, Because
when somebody's in the middle of combat and you're trying
to coach, it has to be as simplistic, you know.

(50:04):
So like I've tried to. I've tried to. I've tried
to because I think it's important even in coaching, like
in uh or like even in practice, like the way
I talk to you in practice when I need you
to fix something, or if you're sparring and I see something,
I try to do it the same way because you're
used to me saying it like that or you know

(50:26):
what I mean, like uh, and you get used to
hearing your coach's voice whenever you're in it. So those
are the little things that uh. Again, it opened my
perspective to like, Okay, that's what as a coach, this
is what I need to do different, what I can
do different, and uh yeah absolutely. But yeah, no, it's great.

(50:49):
It's a great experience. I you know, it's sometimes it's
like a so real, like a like a surreal moment
when I'm like backstage and I got like one of
my guys fighting, I'm like, dude, five years ago, I
wouldn't have pictured any of this.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
No, no, because you'd be like, I'm that guy five
years ago, right, just like it.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
And so so you bring that up.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
It's funny because we've talked a lot about you know,
fight theory throughout the podcast and you know what drives
us and everything like that, but you just brought up
as funny. Is so at the beginning of the m
A Tour this year, we were up in Batavia and
I was fighting this gentleman and he was okay. So
first of all, after the match, this dude takes off
his gee and this dude is ripped shred like Dwayne

(51:30):
the Rock Johnson, like he's got the six pack, And
I was like, dang, you ain't fast.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Anyway, We'll go back to that. We'll get back to
the other thing.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
So I'm just slapping him off right from the go,
and I'm just hitting him and I'm in his own
now I can't hear out of my left ear, and
I turned back because everybody's kind of making a little
gesture or something like that, and this brings up your
hearing your coach's voice. So at the coach at the
time was Len, and Len was getting a kick out
of it. So he's laughing away and we're just having

(51:59):
kind of fun. So over there just slapping this guy
out right. And then all of a sudden, so I,
of course watch the video back. I slightly here, Rob, Rob,
calm down, no more head stuff. So I had poked
my guy with my glove just because the way the
glove went he had moved to the side and the
it just it went by, but it wasn't so much
a poke it cut him. And so there's over there

(52:20):
looking at and so then he says something to me.
I still haven't registered this right, So out of nowhere,
I do this other move and I come off the
line and I give him the backfist. I give him
a reverse punch to the head, and I dropped the
reverse punch to his back and I kint him right there.
And then finally Brian's done. He goes rob really loud.

(52:41):
Then my my head goes ding right. He goes stop
hitting him in the head or you're disqualified.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
I said, oh. And then the next the next move,
you see me roundhouse backfist, roundhouse backfist. It's that moment, man,
it's that moment. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Absolutely, So speaking about going into the future, we talked
a lot about your future, your future and you know, going.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
For Marie and being in Eerie and all that stuff.
Are you originally from Marie?

Speaker 1 (53:10):
So I'm originally I grew up in Cockrdon, Pennsylvania, a
little small town between some cornfields, and then I lived
in Meadville for a long time, like after high school.
Uh so, I originally met I moved up to Erie.
I would be a year and a half somewhere around there,

(53:34):
maybe a little more than that when I started out
with a h at Erie Fitness Academy as a fitness coach.
So I moved up there, and uh yeah, I still
work there part time as a as a fitness uh
as a fitness coach, personal training people, programming, nutrition stuff.

(53:57):
Now yeah, and then opening the gym. Now I don't
live I used to live like in Erie, Now I
live in Waterford.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Well, well moved in with the girlfriend out here would
have been May, I think May somewhere around there. But
I like it, I you know, like I mean, it's
funny because like I grew up in a small town
with one stop light, so like moving to Erie, that's
like moving to the big city for me. Uh yeah,

(54:27):
you know, and it's been great, man, it's been great.
And uh but getting to Waterford now it like reminds
me a little bit of like growing up in Cocker.
Then you can kind of just walk around the neighborhood
and nah, I'm loving it though. I'm loving it.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
That's awesome, man.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
And that's why that's I think a lot of people
miss about you know. I think Eerie gets a bad
rap like that sometimes that people just goh, blah blah blah,
and I go, you know what, it's not bad here.
I We're able to do the things that we love,
you know, be with the people that we love in
a that is progressively moving forward, and you know, doesn't
really affect a lot of things at least That's just

(55:05):
my opinion.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Like we are. We do live our lives here and
we are happy. And the fact that.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
We are one of many of these stories around all
that just shows of what great community we have here
at Erie, especially the MMA community, and how connected we
can be, especially from you know, students not being like
olden days, you're not allowed to go there where heat
where other people like say Aaron can go to your gym,

(55:33):
learn a lot, roll around a lot, and come back
through and then learn striking and go there and strike
and just be active more options so that we're always
putting our energies towards something positive. Martial arts replaced a
lot of my video game time. Now I still get
to go play video games and I'm probably gonna play
one after you know, I take a nap and eat

(55:55):
supper with the fan.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
But before all that, it's all about doing the things
that we love.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Podcasting and talking about m M A is is what
I love to do. So it's it was great to
come on and do that with somebody else that lives
in this city that's trying to make this city better
than what it is and trying to bring up the
city represent the city is where we come from, and that's.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
What we do.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, no, grateful, We'll be on it. This is a great,
great conversation. I like, look up at the top of
it tells me how long we've been talking. I'm like, man,
has it been that already?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
You know?

Speaker 1 (56:29):
And that's the that's the great thing. That's and that's
what I love. Sometimes I get caught up, you know,
at the gym too, Like I get to talk about
something with the guys, even about whatever, and then all
of a sudden, I'm like, oh, no, it's supposed to
be cleaning the mats and getting out of here. I
love it. I love it. No, but I I yeah,
I appreciate it. And how I think of it is

(56:51):
it's like, no matter where I am in the world,
Eerie Meadville Cochran, it's up to me to live a
life that I can't wait to wake up to. It's
up to me. And I try to remember that most days.

(57:15):
Some days, like you know what I mean, Like some
days I'm just like you forget that perspective. But most
of the time I try to start my morning with
just I kind of like talk to the universe, like
I'm talking to a friend as I'm driving to work,
because I got like a twenty five minute drive from
you know, Waterford to the Oasis, and I try not

(57:37):
to forget that. I try to not to forget that.
You know, there was times where you know, I should
have been dead and I'm not, and like, you know,
I'm young, and I always joke, I'm like, man, I'm
on borrow time, you know what I mean, I'm on
borrow time. And whether it's true or not, that's just
how I like to like wake up and approach each

(57:59):
day because like, I have these opportunities. I have this
opportunity to like live a life that I wouldn't even
a picture was imaginable, uh seven years ago that you know,
like now, it's only because like the people around me,
and like my faith in something a little bit bigger

(58:21):
than just my day to day life. And then having
that purpose of like helping people. And you know that
the other side of coaching is that like, man, those
guys are helping me more than I'm helping them. In
my perspective, Like you know, when I get to I
get to wake up and I get to go do that,

(58:42):
I look forward to it, you know what I mean.
They're in some weird way, it's like they're coaching me
how to be a better person each day as well.
So yeah, no, it's been great, man, It's it's great
getting on here and you know, talking theory.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yeah, that's what I love to do, like you know, anytime,
like you know, like you want to come on like
the fight Club, a pain or and talk some before you.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Know, even if you don't like my co host.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
He doesn't even do any of the bets really often
makes like two bets of gear, but he just loves
talking fight theory and that's what we love to talk
about and what I turn into bets for my subs
and everything on that.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
But outside of that, it's just about.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Talking that just getting on you know, in front of
the camera and everything. And so you know, before we
get out of here, I want to make sure that
you get your all your plugs out, plug your people,
plug your place, and let everybody know.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Where they can find you.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yeah. Absolutely, uh so Instagram, Facebook, just Connor Seifert. My gym,
the Oasis MMA Academy is on Twelfth Street, not too
far from TKO. It's in between Cascade and Plumb nine
West twelfth Street. But definitely big shout out to all

(59:59):
of my spots answers. I'm not going to go down
the list right now because there's a lot of them.
But some of them are friends, some of are family,
they're local businesses and Eerie that man, I'm super grateful,
uh that they support me and they allow me to
live the life that I live. You know, without them,
you know, Team Cipher would it wouldn't it wouldn't be

(01:00:21):
a thing. But other than that, I you know, I
I I appreciate just the community of Eerie, the martial
art community. And uh, shout out my girlfriend because she
puts up with you know, all the all the all
the stuff. I sacrificed a lot of time to live

(01:00:42):
the life that I live now, you know, being able
to fight, travel and train, and you know she puts
up with a lot of my U my bs.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
So yeah, yeah, the wife's the same with that with
me and my daughter both. You know, she looked at
me at this tournament right before christ but she goes
no more tournaments before Christmas, and I go, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
You know, like it's like we know, whento ben to push?
We did so many this year and then of.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Course with my daughter and we get to do all
that but we when we're doing all this, we're doing
it together, as you know, a father and a daughter.
But she's not there because she has to stay home
take care of the dogs. And you know, man that
you know we come home and you know, say I've
got you know, like a bruise or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
They take that beating too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
This was definitely portraded Rocky, and that's why the woman
behind the fighter is always important. It's exactly what you
were getting at. They put up with us and we
go do what we do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Absolutely all right, brother man, thank you for coming on.
Bring the pain, have a great day. Always remember to
bring the pain, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Thank you, yes, brother.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Thanks for stopping by the office.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Get your fantasy prescription by subscribing to the channel and
checking out dot com. Still the next visit, be well
and take care.

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