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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Get out the insurance cards, get out the copays. The
office is open, my friends, brought to you by doctor Rodod.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
So let's get.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
What's up everybody at teat Overrode and I'm ready to
bring the pain for you and doctor Rodo this week.
Oh yeah, I have a special guest on. It's Angelo
from We Want Picks. This is truly an honor. How
you doing today, Angelo.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
I'm doing well, Harry. You what a fancy little intro
you got there.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
A little bit, A little bit, man. That's the team
behind me. If I didn't fight so much, I could
actually do a lot more work. But the problem is
is I fight way too much. Five days of karate
this week?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh really?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, that's what I am. I'm a point fighter for
a team that travels. So yep, that's who I am.
I know you're a wrestler.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Ah yeah, wrestle my whole life.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I mean I'm forty two now, so not exactly getting
after it. But you know, I've been training jiu jitsu
since two thousand and four, so squeak that in when
I can. But yeah, for the most part, just the
superban dad that does podcast stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what makes podcasting great and
you can reach out, you can collaborate, have moments like
this where somebody and a team like you.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
The team you have around you, by the way, is amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
But then you can also get in with the fight
theory and stuff, and that's for me, that's been a
big part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
You know, like I said, I was a uf I'm
a UFC rookie.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
I watched Ken Shamrock versus Dan seven literally the first match.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
It was part two, so that's the one Severn one.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Of course, and then I didn't get back into it
till about the Tito Ortiz Shamrock few. I mean, come
on now, that was that and then of course Liddell
followed him, Rousey bought me back in, saw a little
bit of Jones, etc. A set of course Nunya's Nunya's
is awesome. But I've never been consistent until now, and
that's that's what's made this sport so much. And then

(02:00):
learning it and then watching it, do you feel the
same way.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
I've been watching since day one, so we I don't
even remember how it came across it, but like a kid,
and if you remember back in the day, there was
no there were de scramblers. So any paid channel, whether
it was filth or movies that just reran, it was
all scrambled on the TV, but you could hear it.
And my cousins in New York had ad scrambler, So

(02:25):
it's you know, the version of a cracked firestick nowadays.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
So you could watch all those channels.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
So when we would go every Sunday dinner, we drive
to New York, do the whole Italian thing, and we
would watch UFC that would just replay as a pay
per view. So I've been watching UFC since day one.
I saw every single one, like at my cousin's house
on Sundays.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Then it became illegal because it was you know, unregulated,
and it was chaotic.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
And when it became illegal, I would have to go
buy the VHS tapes at like Sam Goody and all
these stores. And I kept up with it then and
then it came back, and so I have been watching
since day one. But as a Day one kind of guy,
I've seen you know, you mentioned you're you've been inconsistent.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I've seen those bumps. Right, there's the Day one crew
that just wanted violence.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Then there was the next big jump was the Tito
or teez Era and not original Tito, but yeah, the
Tito and Shamrock and then Tito and truck rivalry. There
was that whole piece brought in a lot of people.
Then the Ultimate Fighter obviously was a huge jump. The
Ultimate Fighters what took the UFC from literally hemorrhaging money
and about to go out of business to a viable sport.

(03:36):
And then the next big jump was Connor McGregor, and
then the next big jump after that was COVID because
UFC was the only.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Sport that existed. So the last five years has.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Brought a whole new era of fight fans that have
shown up because they got to watch it during.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
COVID, that's right.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
And you know, so when I do the fight Cauba Pain,
my co host Dan, he literally has done the same
thing you've done.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
He's watched it all these times.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
He's he's like forty three, so he's has the same
pathway trajectory kind of where I was. I'm forty seven,
so like I was like a macho man, you know,
duty kind of guy wrestling coming in and I had
I had the black box as well too, and so
I was getting my wrestling pay per views and then
the UFC came on and I'm like, why not, it's free.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
This is like brutality.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
I mean, this is the same time of life when
Faces of Death came out on VHS.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Oh yeah, bump Faces of Death a wild VHS era,
it was.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
It was, and you know, for us, that's all we had.
We didn't We just couldn't go to YouTube and PLoP
it on. But now we have this, this format and everything.
So that's exactly it what inspired you to start We
Want Picks.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
So technically speaking, I started We Want Picks in twenty sixteen,
and that's when Draft Kings Fantasy, not DraftKings of sportsbook.
That's when DraftKings Fantasy added you. So in twenty sixteen
you could it's basically fantasy football, but for fights. You
would get a salary and you draft your fighters, and
me and a few people would.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Compete with each other doing that. We all love the
sport and now we had a cool way. This is
before sports betting was even viable outside of Vegas.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
So we started doing that and I bought we Wantpicks
dot Com and it was a blog and I would
just write who the fighters are and who wins, who
loses who you should have in your lineup or not.
Then I had my first kid, so that.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Went away fast. I was like, I don't have time
for all this.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Then COVID came around, and you know, I had still
been a diehard UFC fan, but now some of my
other friends started to become UFC fans and it was
the only sport on and I moved here in Texas
and so my neighbors were coming over.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
So we really started to.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Get into competing with each other on DraftKings, Fantasy and
I brought in new people. So I was going to
YouTube to do research fighters I've never heard of before,
and I came across these two Canadians they don't do
it anymore fight night picks, and I would. I saw
their breakdown of like this fighter versus this fighter, and
here's who they are, and I was using that for

(06:12):
my DraftKings and then you know, a few however long
of that, I was.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Like, dude, we could do this, we could do this.
We can break down fights.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
We're like normal, funny like and we'll bring the whole
element of like I managed professional fighters forever. My buddy Jacob,
who I do the show with, he didn't he you know,
has no real background in any of it. I'm like,
that could be our dynamic. So we started with four
of us and then it dwindled down to two just
because life gets in the way. And so that's basically

(06:43):
saw somebody else do it and said I could do
that and started doing it.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, I And that's that's practically it.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
So like when I stepped onto the scene and Super
Bowl hit ended and everything is at at Doctor Rodeo.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
We're huge into football.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
We just had our baseball right up yesterday put out
a two thousand dollars winner.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
And it's just crazy sometimes.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
When you get into the DFS side of things and
how it's changed, how there's less money in it now,
but how you have how being unique it leads down
different paths and that's you know, eventually we are going
to talk about the DFS UFC side of things, but yeah,
you bring that up. And so for me as a
point fighter, I'm trying to find the angles.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I have to watch all this fight.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Tape and I guess I kind of put the NFL
on the side, and now I'm getting back into that.
So the next month is going to be complete chaos
and then I get to see what an actual system
looks like when I have a live NFL season and
UFC fights going on. But you know what, we do
it for the love of the customers, the subs, the people,
the fans. It brings all of us together to do

(07:44):
something similar, whether it be betting or playing dfs. That
right there, lineup construction huge, huge part of that, and
you know that's something that I love to do with people.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'd rather somebody take.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
That advice and win a million dollars rather than me
willing win a million dollars, because for me, it's about
the passion and the joy.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
It feels nice to.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Win money when we win money, but at the same
time that's kind of my feeling.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Do you feel that same way? Fuck?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
No, I could win a million dollars out of your mind.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, if you said a Angelo you win a million
dollars or some other random person you don't know, Yeah me,
I picked me.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, but you to your point though.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Obviously, we sell our own premium service on our on
our own website and literally I was checking my Twitter
dms for this link, and while checking I got a
DM from somebody that said I just won ten thousand
dollars using your optimizer. And then obviously I'm like, oh,
that's awesome. And that's awesome for two reasons. One happy
for that guy, Happy that somebody that took the time

(08:46):
to go to my website, whether it was to support
us or to you know, get a cheat code to
make somebody for whatever reason, I'm happy that it worked
out for them. I'm happy for me because hey, this
is working and I'm gonna screen down shot the hell
out of that and send it to the world, And
happy for that guy as well. So yeah, of course
I want to see. Nothing makes me happier than we

(09:08):
the collective we we want picks have a phenomenal night,
and then the many, many thousands of people in that
universe that either watched the free videos or went to
the website.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Everybody made money. Nothing makes me happier than that.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
But if I have to choose between you or me
and a million dollars me, I choose me every ten times.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Won't even hesitate.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Sometimes I guess I'm too I'm too brash, I'm too
brash man, But yeah, I would love that definitely.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Three weeks ago I had I had that moment my
DFS lineup, you know, went to bed.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
We're looking at five digits and I'm like, you know,
this is never I always call myself the bridesmaid of
DFS for a reason, and it's because it's like, oh, look,
I go to sleep, first place, wake up in the morning,
twenty points, I'm under now and here we go with,
you know, a seven hundred and fifty dollars day, which
is still not bad at all, not bad.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
I'm not going to deny that at all.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
I was able to take that money and bring up
the co host, Dan, and we went to Waldemere here
and erie for a whole day at the Musem Parks
riding rides. He had not been there for fifteen years,
so it's like, you know, just something to do.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I love to do stuff like that. And I think
that's what's unique about.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
The UFC community since I've been diving into more of it.
I see a collective community, as you're saying, and just
the way that people you get those few knuckleheads that.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Kind of go ah blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
And then you go, hey, dude, you know, if you're
gonna play the wrong bet, you're playing the wrong bet.
In the end, they're the ones who push that button,
they place the bet. We just direct them towards that way.
That's what we do. So you know, I have it,
Like we can go back. We could talk about Ricci's
knockout yesterday. I thought that fight was going over, but
I was like, you know what, I'm playing the one

(10:46):
thousand knockout for both. If you're gonna give me a
knockout line for plus one thousand, who's not.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Gonna put money on that? Just if it happens, it happens.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
It did, so did I didn't care which one of
those girls won yesterday.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I just wanted that knockout that happen.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
That overscrewed me, I'll tell you, or that underscrewed me,
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
And and that's a you know, this is a wild sport.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
And sometimes I'm a victim of my own success. Meaning
we built something pretty big, Like we built something with
a meaningful amount of viewers and people who interact with us,
and people love us no matter what, people will hate
us no matter what, like we've did. That's the Internet, right,
And we're kind of a victim of our own success
because we have so many eyes and so much pressure,

(11:28):
and when something does well, the expectation will do well forever.
For example, I have what I call a safety parlay,
and historically speaking, it's done unbelievably well. Three years of
doing well. Every single result is on the website so
you can see. And the last couple of weeks it
has not done well at all, and it's just like,
ur an idiot, how could this be? And I had

(11:50):
the over two and a half in that fight in
the safety parlay, And obviously it's easy to be a
genius the next morning and be like, how could you?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
But the reality is these are a fistfight and it
is chaos in these fights.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
And the RICCI example is a great one because every
metric that has ever existed in the history of their
fighting history said this fight will go over two and
a half rounds.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Neither one of them are particularly.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Dangerous, They're both very tough, and then we have a
first round that was like, yeah, this fight could go
twenty nine rounds, and then we get to that second
round and all of a sudden, there's one random elbow,
one elbow against the cage that literally hits the eyeball,
and it changed the whole fight and that's as a
fight fan.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
That's what makes this sport wild.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
And I love it as somebody who's trying to make
a couple of bucks while watching the fights. Moments like
that are either amazing because of a plus one thousand
payout in the chaos, or like, oh my.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
God, I can't rely on anything anymore. So it's an
unbelievable It's a wild rod. It's a wild it is.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
And you know, you get that with the other DFS sports.
You get that with football, but I think football is
a little more centralized because of how popular it is.
Baseball you can definitely be contrarian, you know, like Nick
Kurtz the four home runs eight RBI's.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
The other day. That's just insane that that only happens.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
That goes back to the chisen call so many years
ago when Lonnie Chisenhall hit three home runs twelve RBIs
for the Cleveland well Now Guardians. So when you make
calls like that and stuff, that's stuff we love to do.
Like for me when I was when I when I
made the Deritter call against Nickel, I picked Rittter to
win that fight or Nickel to win that fight. But

(13:28):
I said, you know what those knees by deritdter are
freaking insane. And we saw that again today or yesterday,
and I go back to it, I says, why not?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Why can a knockout happen? So that's why sometimes I
look for those bets.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I'll throw down the unit, two units on that, but
then you always head yourself back to it. But it's
like you said, the chaos the when I was point
fighting a few tournaments a go.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
This one guy, he's kind of frustrating with me.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
I've been kind of beating him and his teammate for
a few years now, and they he decided to actually
bump rush me and blitz. You could call it the blitz.
That's what I'm actually key at. I'm a huge blitzer.
I've been working my sidekick in but in my division,
thirty five plus point fighting, there's not a lot of
guys my age that can really kick consistently because of
hip surgeries, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Being an old man.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
So and I've had my knee surgery blown out from
football turf injury stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Thing is like that.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
But he literally blitzed me, and all it took was
just me one step back and everything was open.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
I mean it's on full video.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
I push his arms down and I pop him in
the face, and just like Leal, he just goes down.
But I was able to catch him while he was
going down, walk him to the table, and then of
course they award him the point. Because they had been
yelling at me for that tournament, I was pretty sure
I was gonna be disqualified, not in point fighting, because
it's got the karate background.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
You have to make sure you have control.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
But that was him jumping at me doing mid air,
so I'm like, what, of course.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
He's coming down with that.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
But at the same time, they were a little pissed
the previous fight, and this was a five point fight.
I made an eight point fight after they were arguing
because I kept blitzing this fool because he was just
standing on the line. So I continuously knocked him down
and they weren't called the one judge got so mad
at me he wouldn't recognize the blitz technique anymore. So
then he by time all the Gibberius three minute fight

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that was supposed to be to five, I won three
to one and then ran through the other people. So
sometimes there's rules with what I do. But in the concept,
you still look for openings, you look for attacks. There's
still continuous fighting, which means there's no stoppage and that
more blows can happen.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
So that's how point fighting works.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Oh that's cool.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah, I've seen a couple of When I was younger
and was competing in jiu jitsu tournaments and this is
jiu jitsu wasn't as big as it is now. Obviously
now it's especially UFC is trying to make it its
own individual sport with belts. We would do a lot
of like super fights. I'd be in like super fights
at karate tournaments and stuff like that. So I would
see the karate tournay start day be like, holy shit,

(16:00):
they're getting and they're just like beating the hell out
of each other's chests, and I'm like, this is nuts.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
And then you know, we'd go after that.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, so yesterday instead of going down to Pittsburgh and
fighting those same people I just talked about, and they
went on my they went on my social media, they're like, hey,
mister Bud and then the other guy actually beat the
other guy and goes it's not the same without the
King of the Ring here and I'm like, but bro
I went. So we did a food drive in Buffalo
and there was a there was a BJJ guy there,

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but there's only a few BJA guys. The rest of
the kids, of course, were doing karate, and then they
had a world champion, Nick Kane.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
He was there. My daughters who is a black belt,
she's there.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
So we're we came up from Tko Eerie to do
this food drive, bring in some money to you know,
just feed people, and we got to do this tournament.
Well instead of fighting them, I got to fight Nick Kane.
And I don't get that option all the time because
in a tournament, we're not the same age bracket, We're
not the same I mean, this dude's like twenty seven,
huge legs fast way young.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I'm saying here forty.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Seven, trying to get with it right. But we put
out a great We put out a great fight yesterday.
It wasn't recorded or anything. But when you get that
opportunity to step in, you take it. And of course
I can still feel my daughter's kicked to my side,
her sidekick to my neck for blitzing.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Again, blitzers can get.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Caught, and then he caught me four times at the
sidekick right on my rib what the last one was
really powerful, but you you're right powers there. You get
hit and but you gotta take the hits kind of
like you know, a lot of the other people learned
what we saw yesterday. You got it and you brought
this up on your podcast, and I'm gonna let you
take this out from here. You said that some of

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these these big fighters, all built body looks the great
and then you got gravy.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Martin Boudet beaten, beaten the hell out of dude. So
weigh in on that. You make that thing.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
It's a fight comparison that is exactly what I love.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, the Martin Mudai thing was interesting because I saw
I broke that down ahead of time without odds, and
I was like, I think Martin guy's gonna win this fight, right.
We got this big, jacked up jiu jitsu nerd, but
that's it. If he can't get it to the ground,
he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Have much to offer.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
And Martin Budai isn't anything special to look at, but
dude is at least a well rounded fighter. And then
when that fight started, he was worse to look at
than I even imagined, but he was the better fighter.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
And this is fighting, and sometimes you could be a
wild specialist.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Sometimes you could be so good at one thing that
that's all you need. But other times, like you, this
is an MMA fight with multiple skills and techniques, and
you have somebody like Martin who can defend takedowns, can
get his hands going, he can do multiple things, versus
a guy that's relying entirely on getting this fight to
the ground, and if he can't, he's screwed. And you
know what, if he was a nasty wrestler, maybe he's good.

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But to only be good at jiu jitsu and not
have the wrestling component of it, yep, that's not You
have nowhere to go against guys with takedown defense, and
that's that's sort of what we had. And Martin Budaie
was was the one of the sloppiest people I've ever
seen in my entire life.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
He looked like a popsicle half melted. But the reality
is he has actual fight skills and if he had
a live if the dude ran a quarter of a
mile once a week, that fight would have been even
wider than it was. But you know it is We're
still in an era. The sport is still new.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
It started, it's thirty years old or whatever, it is,
thirty three years old, it's still a new sport. So
we don't have multiple generations. Obviously we literally do, but
you get my point. We don't have like many generations
of fighters. We have the first era who were just
people that wanted to swing and go nuts.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
There was no real money in it.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Then we had the second generation where there started to
be money in it, but these are still people that
had like bad upbringings and turned the fist fighting.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Now just now we're finally starting to get the actual
athletes who are choosing to do this, But we we
still haven't fully engulfed ourselves in that. We still have
people like the guy Martin or Martin Budai just beat
Marcus Butceca who are good at one thing and trying
to go into MMA.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
We still don't have a full clean slate of true
m m A athletes. And when that comes, then we'll
start to really have a much more reliable sport. For now,
it's it's a crapshoot with what you're gonna get. Who's good,
who sucks, who belongs there, who doesn't.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, And I think I've heard some people say that
that sometimes them go into the every week prep format
can kind of diminish that value.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
But I don't mind it as.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
A person, because I don't this gives a shot to
a lot of people that didn't like them bring it back,
King Green that I didn't even see that happening, and
then here we are, we got King Green coming back. Okay, whatever,
just thrown on some throwing on some crap. But I
gotta say, dude, the funniest thing is when that the
whole fight card starts and goes running out to the

(21:01):
middle of the ring. I'm like, I'm like, did he
just run to the middle of the ring? I did
not expect that at all, but I laughed my ass
off when I saw that. Shit, I was like, what
the this dude's just run into the middle of the
ring any the.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Longest distance he's ran in the last six years.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Need to do that more often.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
But yeah, you know, that's what I like about this sport,
and that's what I've been bringing up. I want to
help bring this sport to the forefront like you've been
doing and let people understand the reason that serious XM
fantasy doesn't recognize DFS UFC or doesn't even allow somebody
to talk about it for fifteen.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Seconds because of how big football is.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
They're so scared about losing those ears, but they're not
They're not taking that chance on what's going on around them.
I think, and this is my opinion, but I feel
and think that UFC DFS is completely unique for the
leal reasons for the upsets, for the Bedaiz winning, you know,
and then you brought up everybody, everybody's biggest play, you know, Boggedy,

(22:03):
that dude right there, he was around thirty seven percent,
thirty percent owned, but again going back to Baday, I
got him at eight percent owned, eighteen percent owned, depending
on the kind of slate that you're at. So when
you're able to get something like that, that is the
same distance that we're trying to do with football in baseball.
I feel it should be talked about and it should

(22:24):
be talked about on a bigger scale more than just
us guys trying to make sure that that And that's
my feeling on that.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
How do you feel about that same thing? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I mean, UFCDFS is is very unique and what I
think separates it from some of the other sports. Is
the other sports are established.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
You have fifty years actually, how many years has NFL
been around?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Is it fifties and more.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Than fifteen that's going back to Red Grange.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, you had one hundred years of NFL data and
stats and statistics, and obviously there's been some evolutions, but
at this.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Point the surprises are few and far between. The team sports,
you have people with unlimited data, building entries and competing
at that level, and they have it down to a science.
There's there's no heart and soul in it anymore. It's
quite literally like here's the numbers, here's the stats, here's
what we're doing. MMA is a different animal. We you know,

(23:18):
we have a ton of data, like quite literally us
a we want picks. We have a ton of data,
we have tools, we have but at the end of
the day, there is still a human element to say, honestly,
I know what all of this data is saying, but
I don't.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
That's not what's gonna happen here.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
And yesterday was a good example with Billy elkhana Ebo
Aslan Eboslan's this jacked up dude who's knocking everybody out
in the first ten seconds.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Billy Elikana is not quite as exciting. He was a
middleweight up in weight, but he was long.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
And I know, I'm like, he backs up, he moves,
He's not a guy that gets after it.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
He's not really gonna give you that opening. So and
he's durable. So I don't see this fight being a
quick knockout.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
I don't see this fight ending that early. First, I'm
gonna Billy to win, and he was a three to
one dog. Second, I think this fight goes a little long.
None of the data pointed to that, though literally all
of the data said it would be an early finish
for the other guy. So there is a much more
of a human element because A, it's not a team sport.

(24:17):
B it's a freaking fistfight. At one random punch changes everything.
And if we go back to the example of the
Lady fight, that elbow to the eye quite literally broke
a metal play in her eye. Tabitha Ricci has never
finished the sandwich, let alone a fighter inside the octagon,
so for that to happen was insane. Yeah, that doesn't

(24:38):
really happen in the NFL. Obviously, there are crazy thing
you know, there's crazy plays in last year, what's his
name jumped over a human being backwards. There's stuff like that,
but for the most part, things are relatively like those
lines are dialed in and it's just a math formula
that works through everything else. So the human element of
MMA is what septurates it from every other sport. And

(25:01):
I fully understand the logic of like, hey, NFL is king.
Talk about NFL and that's fine, and you know what
for that chunk of time talk about NFL.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, but there is an.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Entire two seasons of the year where the only meaningful
sport on is MMA. Nobody cares about regular season baseball,
nobody cares about you dead winter. Obviously, NFL is king,
but we're still earlyish in the season, and that's a
few days a week where every single Saturday. There is
only there's fifty two weeks in a year, and there's

(25:33):
forty eight UFC events or something like that.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Like there's there's a.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Couple random one weekend breaks and then at the end
of the year a two weekend break outside of that
every single Saturday, and it's kind of shortsighted to ignore
that consistency. I understand football is king, and the money
you make in that tiny window, it will eclipse anything
you make in a.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Full year of MA.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
But I think there definitely should be a little more investment,
a little more exposure, whether it's sports talk radio. Certainly
in the summer with MMA, it is there every single Saturday,
no matter what exactly.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
And you're talking, we're talking about comparing somebody standing at
a plate wait for the pitcher to throw a ball,
which is the most boring thing at times to actually
do unless you wanted to, like.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Hey, look that guy looks great over there. He's awesome.
He's gonna throw a slider and that's great.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
But nothing beat watching Steven Winn take a baseball size
guy that went rapping to his ear. I was totally
I was like, I didn't know we could do that.
I didn't know that could possibly happen. I've seen things
crazy happen. My daughter unfortunately she got knocked out last
tournament early in the summer, had to watch that. You know, professional,

(26:49):
but she's still superstar what she does. You know, she's
still gonna go back out there and do that. But
when you see things like that happen, you're like, WHOA,
that was freaking wild. When you've seen that thing growing.
You knew they were going to stop that in the second.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Didn't you.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
I mean that was they should have stopped that fight
way earlier. And anybody didn't watch. This guy was knocked
down six times in the first round, and not.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Like ooh, I fell in my butt.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
That was questionable, like fell down like a tree that
was cut at the bottom. Knocked down, and it was
bizarre that it wasn't stopped. Frankly, it was very bizarre
that it wasn't stopped. And then it continued and there
were more knockdowns. Quite literally, a record was set with
the amount of times that this guy was knocked down.
He had one moment in the fight where he landed
his own clean punch and it was like, okay, But

(27:34):
every other minute of that fight was that guy just
building CTE. It made no sense that it continued. The
eye was almost like the final excuse for them to
stop it, because without the eye, they were just gonna
let this dude get knocked unconscious ten more times.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I do I do agree with that. I mean we ten,
maybe fourteen.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
This was out of hand. I was sitting here just
walking in. It was like every time dude through the kick. Yeah,
he was like whoop, right, and.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
It was like boom down. And it wasn't just like
like you said, it was like timber Tree's fault.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
He was hitting the ground, he got mounted and he's
getting knocked and I'm honestly getting knocked back to life
if that's what was happening. Yeah, he got knocked back
to life at least five six times. Of course, he
gets out of that round like you said, and you're
just like wondering because you brought up that.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
The last ten seconds that shit has just been called.
I'm like, this is done. It's not good. Get that
second round. He gets that little thing.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
But then after that you news Win was like done,
I'm done with you. I'm gonna punish the shit out
of you. And then that's when that thing just kept
getting better and I was like, why is nobody stepping in?
This man's eyes literally growing and he's punching it continuously.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Still.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
It was like, wow, okay, all right, hey, that's what
we love to see. That was definitely one of the
happiest finishes that we have, and that's kind of what
we look for and that's what separates it now with
Draft Kings, I wanted to definitely talk about this with you.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
The Draft Kings Snake Draft. Have you checked it out yet,
because I know, oh dude, you would love it so much.
You would like is it available where you're at.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I'm in Texas.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Everything outside of we can't do DraftKings sports book, but
Draft Kings Fantasy and their pick six that's all fully available.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Okay, so yeah, we don't get those pick the picks
like that and stuff. So you know, like I was explaining,
you get it's just like fantasy football. Like you said,
you get the draft. There's no salary included anything at all.
It's a three man league and you could throw down
starting at one, five ten. I threw down to ten
this week just to you know, just have fun with.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
It, and took first.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Luckily, luckily because you know that that lineup practically, I
had Steven Winn, so that rate there got me. I
was a little worried about Derittter, and of course he
had Deritter and Whittaker, so I was like, man, he's
got it both if he does good, and it actually
both of them ended up catching him. I won that
two fifty to two twenty, I think it was. But

(29:56):
it's just three people picked in four fighters, best best man,
best woman wins. And that's I just thought it was
a really good thing because like with DK, you get
the bigger contest, you get the one hundred twenty thousand
dollars prize, blah blah blah, you know, big thing. But
when you go to FanDuel, you don't get that. You
get like a four thousand or five thousand limit eight

(30:16):
dollar contest. Top prize is five. And it's like, all right, guys,
I see what we're doing here.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
We're limiting.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
But the fact that I just thought it was a
fresh ad for DK on that and I just I
found so much fun with it recently.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
So it's just you and two strangers and you just draft.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
I get a fighter, you get a fighter. I get
a fighter, You get a fighter. Yeah, that's a cool concept.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
And then you snake back so like if you're the
if you're the third draft, you get the third and
fourth pick. So that's a really nice unique move right
there too. You can really grab who you want and
it just adds a little a little flair to it,
but you know.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
They're not you just put it up. I was looking,
I was like, man, can we get a fourth guy
in this thing.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
But how many fighters do you put in a lineup?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
It's it's so because it's a best ball format. Three
start and you get one reserve. The the scores win
go in.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
That's cool. That's that is a cool concept.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
I'll have to check it out and give it a try,
because that is a definitely a fun twist.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Can you invite people like? Can you do it with
with three people of your choosing? That's cool?

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yep, yep, yeah yeah. I was just like, holy crap.
I already kind of thought about that too. I was like, man,
if two people on the same team kind of took
anywhere on the stage.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
But let's not talk conspiracies here.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Because I'm sure they've I'm sure they've considered all all
avenues and I'm I'm I.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Bet that money. That money doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, that's not gonna work with it.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
They will catch your ass and they will ban your account,
that is for a fact.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
But the fact that you can do that, it's just
so fun. You know.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
I came in, I had I actually I think on
that lineup, I got Leal, which he went down, and
then I had Black Sheer, and then of course I'd win,
and then I want to say my fourth guy I
can't even remember right now offhand, but it was it was.
It was one of the favorites he but he only
got like seventy or eighty points.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
So it was it allowed me to get to that
two fifty plateau.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
But it's just like I said, it's fun, and you know,
maybe that's something for you guys to go, you and
Jacob to put your money together and see like, hey,
who's really running their mouth now? Or I'm gonna pick
the wrestlers and Jake's gonna do his wild ass shit
like it just to me is one of those fun
little concepts that I see the innovation with DK and
that goes back to where I think mainstream sometimes doesn't

(32:26):
respect the sport yet. But as long as people like
us keep talking about it, we're gonna be able to
make this thing happen in the future, bigger contest, more
fun things well.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
And I think I also think the industry is moving
towards actual sports betting and less DFS. Obviously DFS is
more widely available in most places, but you know it,
if sports betting was regulated, sports betting because you can
use offshore books in most states perfectly legal. Like I'm
in Texas, I can use bet online, I can use

(32:56):
bet us.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I can perfectly legal.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
It's not regulated though, so if I have an issue,
there is no governing body.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
It is what it is. But if sports betting was
regulated and legal in every single state, I don't know
where DFS goes. I do think the biggest issue for
DFS is sports betting.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. We have actually been focusing a
lot more on that. With the on the Doctor Rotto site,
we now have were able to bring on the betting
onto the site instead of having because of credit card reasons,
you can't have betting and DFS on the same site
if you take a credit card for payment, et cetera,
et cetera.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
So we have a lot we had to jump that through.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
But now that that's all allowed, we're able to put
the bets on and the DFS plays, and that's kind
of where we go with that. But dude, you're right,
DFS is almost dying, and that's because the money has
become double ups.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
You can't make that.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
So like when I had that big lineup a couple
of weeks ago, was able to go in I'm only putting.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
In one lineup. I'm not a max lineup guy.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
We have those tools too, kind of like your optimized A,
the DK optimizer, FANDEL optimizer.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
We have all that for baseball football. Heck, that wins
a lot of people money.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
If you put one hundred and fifty lineups in, you're
gonna win some money. But to go straight up and
get something like that and do it that just shows
that you could again goes back to the fight theory,
but making this sport move forward, doing what makes it
more innovative and having it that way.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, it's definitely. It's definitely an environment where everything depends
on how exciting the fight cards are and how excited
people are for them.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
So we see that in our numbers. We do anywhere
from four hundred thousand to five hundred and fifty thousand
unique views a month on YouTube, and the only difference
in that stream of views, it's not the quality of
the content.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
The content is always the content.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
It is quite literally, how good the fight cards are
or are not, and if they are good fight cards
that people are excited about.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Our views are through the roof.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Our UFC three eighteen views we're through the roof are
UFC three seventeen views through the roof are three sixteen views, Eh,
just okay, And that's not us. That is quite literally
just the quality of the fight cards. So where the
UFC needs superstars and they need well built, full cards

(35:20):
to sell as a product. Traditional sports have diehard loyal
fans of the logo. I am a Steelers and this
isn't actual, but I am a Steelers fan through and through,
no matter what. I don't care who they're playing, I
don't care if it's supposed to be a blowout, I
don't care. I will watch that game every Sunday, no
matter what MMA.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Doesn't have there. Some of us are like that.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
I will literally watch every fight whether I had the
YouTube channel or not. And there's there's a faction of
people in that category, but there's a giant chunk, probably
the eighty percent that watched the big stuff. And it's
a sport very reliant on hype, very reliant on marketing,
very reliant on the quality of the fight card. So

(36:04):
it gets it gets a little tricky sometimes to build
any meaningful momentum if the fight cards just aren't there.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, I agree with that, and you brought that up
the Pantosia to Poria fight card.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Holy crap.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
It was the first time other than football, and this
was Super Bowl. Super Bowl had had the big number
for us. Like when we did that, Doc came on
and we were over five hundred live views, but that
just happens because Doc is Doctor Roto and so.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
But when we did that card, we got two hundred
and thirty at once, and I was like, oh, whoa, Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Normally we're getting like forty to sixty, which isn't bad.
But then you get that and you're like, oh, okay,
but it shows in the card. It shows with the
quality of the card. But like you said, we're gonna
be here and then making that DFS. That's why I
always try to include DFS because DFS is out and
I don't think it'll ever leave. I don't want it
to leave because I still think it has the unique

(36:58):
values to it where you could throw down a dollar
and you can make three thousand or five thousand dollars
off of it instead of having to worry about odds.
It comes down to the lineup building, which was a
big part of what I say my learning curve for
the UFC was being able to take my same moduls
move them to fighters and then pull them in. Practically
move it like a showdown slate for football, or you

(37:20):
could say like a Monday Thursday slate. That way, you
have only four teams to pick from, et cetera, et cetera,
so many players, so you have to be unique, but
you have to like move it. One of our guys
last year, actually, Max Dennard, one of the Thursday contests,
just a straight Thursday show down alone with one hundred
and fifty and huge seventy five K.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Because and I think that that's what.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Makes this sport again unique on the DF side, because
other people are used to seeing percentages around twenty or thirty.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Oh that's gonna.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Be over owned or that in the UFC, that's actually okay.
But if you can get a twenty five to twenty, great,
If you can get a seventeen or eight, that's even better.
And that was like Ricci, I pulled her. She was
an eleven percent, and then like I was saying with Boudet,
he was a nine percent. But then Michael Johnson was

(38:09):
a six percent owned on some of the big slates
a few weeks ago, and so that always gives me
that unique idea of lineup building, and that's a big thing.
I know that I watched you guys when you guys
do your DFS stuff, and I'm like, holy crap, you
guys are just putting it in, getting it in. And
that's what made people like Bouday such a.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Key to this card this week.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
But when you go betting, when you go betting, it's
just so much easier when you know the fighters, you
know what they can do. As we've been talking about
throughout this podcast, is okay, well, I know that there's
a chance for submission. Let me put just a little
action on that. You don't have to do a full unit. Now,
let me hit this. And then with UFC betting, which
I think it completely makes it different and better. Instead

(38:53):
of having to build ladders, you can build finishes. You
can have the first round knockout, you can have the
first and second round knockout, you could have one, two, three,
you could have the overall knockout to cover if the
other fighter gets lucky and for that break there. That's why,
and that's what I'm gonna say makes this sport unique,
special and great to be part of. Man, No, it's

(39:17):
it's definitely. It's a ton of fun.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
It's it's wildly exciting, it's heartbreaking because God knows what's
gonna happen, and.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
You're the ownership numbers you ran through. A lot of
that has to do with last night.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
For example, there was twelve fights, so I mean there's
only twenty four fighters to choose from, and before the
fights happened, the reality for a lot of people are
of these twenty four fighters, eight of them have no
chance whatsoever to win. There's just not a world where
this fighter wins, so they're immediately eliminated.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
From your lineups.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
So now you know, now you went from twenty four
to sixteen and I did that math.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Like that, Congratulations to men.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
But the reality is there's just fewer people to choose from,
so finding that sp finding that underdog is huge, where
if you're NFL baseball, there's just there's too many people
to pick from, so the ownership ends up being a
little more level and not as you know, not not
such dramatic swing.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
So it's just the nature of the sport.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Itself, and that's and that's what that's what sites like
ourselves and you your site teach all the time with
all the tools that you guys have, all the numbers,
the fight theory, STEMUL, the fight simulator that you have
that you guys talk about it. Talk a little bit
about your tools too, because I know that took a
lot of work to put in to actually make, so
that deserves a spot.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, no, I appreciate that. So we're we're in like
a unique position.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
So we're out here breaking down fight cards and break
down twelve fights and twenty four different fighters. Who this
guy is, who this guy is, how this fight should go,
and who I think wins. And then on top of that,
here's some bets I think work. And we do that,
and then we said we need more. We need to
give people more.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
It's gotta be more than just a list of we
have to give people some tools as well.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
And we started with a pretty basic DraftKings optimizer. We
leased one and we put that on the site.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
You can use this.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Then we built what we call line movement trackers, so
it's going to give you the opening odds for every fight,
the current odds, so you can see the movement and
then it'll translate to win percentage and things like that.
And then we started to add data like Hey, some
of our audience wants to just copy paste.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Another chunk of the audience wants to do their own research.
So here's a bunch of data. Do your own research.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
And then we just continue to build an ad And
the one of the most powerful tools we have now
is a fight simulator. And the way that came about is,
you know, we've got a decent sized audience.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
We've been doing this for a little while.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
And I got an email and the email was like, Hey,
I'm a nuclear physicist and I love your show and
I built this tool and blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
And I immediately was like, this is spam.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Like I know my.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Audience, they're not nuclear physicists. So I was like, no, no, shot,
this is real.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
And then I don't even know why I engaged, or
maybe he sent to follow up, and then we hopped
on a call and I was like, oh, like shit,
this guy really is a nuclear physicist and he really
like oh okay.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, and a globe behind him or something you're like,
oh hey.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I was just like, I was just shocked that it
wasn't a troll job.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
And so then he built, uh, I forget what was
the first tool he built but he built a tool.
Then we have a tool called the data analyzer, and
then he built a simulator.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
And we're not the only people. There's really only two
meaningful simulators in this space. One is Sabersim.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
They charged three hundred three one hundred dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
We charged ten.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
And I have always been in the volume mindset, like, listen,
I am going to cater to the ninety percent of people.
I'm not gonna try to find this tiny sliver of
people that are willing to spend. We're gonna do the
ninety percent of people. So our philosophy is, this is
a volatile sport. This sport is a volatile this is

(43:00):
a crazy sport to bet on, it's a crazy sport
to do fantasy with. So we're just gonna keep adding
to this membership.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
I want to make this the most undeniable value that
has ever existed. Yes, and so the Fight Simulator is
the latest addition to that. And that doesn't make me
immune to being called every name you could ever imagine
when I get a fight pick wrong. But what it
does is, at the very least, gives people a million

(43:30):
different options, Like here's what I think, but here's a
whole bunch of tools.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Here's an artificial intelligence. If you want to do your
own research, it's available to you. Do your own research
or take my word, have your own opinion. Then click
run simulation and see what that says. So we're just
in this.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Grind of like I need to make. I mean, there's
people that hate my guts. I get it. I speak
very confidently. That annoys people for some reason.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
I'm aggressive, got it, I'm aggressive.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I don't take criticism.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Well, like, I know my flaws and there's a lot
of people that hate me for those flaws.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Fine, yep, all well and good, pretty sure. My wife
hates me, so we're good. But I'm trying to build.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Like, listen, you could hate me, but there's no way
you could go to my website and be like this sucks.
There's no it's impossible. And I'm just trying to further that.
So it's like, dude, hate me all you want, but like,
come on, yeah, that's what we're trying to do. That's
what we're trying to build.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
And you guys, you bring up the price comparison as
well too. That's the one thing Doc didn't want to do.
Like a lot of the other DFS sites. Yeah, they
could have like five thousand other tools. And Doc has
wrote worked with a lot of these individuals in the
past as well, but he wanted to give something affordable
to the working man as well too. You know, he
doesn't want he doesn't want to charge you, say, three
hundred dollars like you were saying a month, or three

(44:49):
hundred dollars, four hundred dollars for an entire season.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
He just does that. He gives you.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
You know, we have we have our own little where
you can go to the subs only discord and you
can just buy that package. You get all the cheat
sheets for football.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
And you at that.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
You can use the code you know, you can use
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and boom you're in. Or you can just get that
where you can get all the things you know, we
have for football. Chris Kennedy has been one of our
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last few years in the top rankings for pro football.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
So when you get somebody like that on your team,
you get all that.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
It's just great to have it, and that you brought
up that fact you're saying, hey, this is my thought,
this is my theory, and I think that sometimes people
that's what adds like when you say Jacob Artam and
then bets Sam. You have so many different unique views.
You see who lines in with what, but you see
when someone decides to take a stance and goes aside

(45:39):
and goes I'm putting my foot down.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
This is it.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
And if you, as a consumer, as a fan, go
you know what, I believe that I'm gonna stick with him,
then that's giving you the right expert. I've always believed
in find your expert, because if that expert plays exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Like you, you're more going to be in tune with them.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
But to also always listen to everything else so that
you don't make bad mistakes and you can keep any
because honestly, you can cash practically every week with the
UFC content that you have been providing and some of
the stuff that I've been able to help with too.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
But as of over.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
You you can provide, you can cash with that easy.
You play a double up game, Yeah, you put twenty
five down, you might win fifty back, but you take
that fifty. You keep building until eventually you hit that
big hit.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Yeah, it's it's definitely like you know, it's we're in
a what have you done for me today?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
World?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
And that's you know, a TikTok algorithm type world. Can
I get that?

Speaker 4 (46:35):
And that's why you know, if you guys that you
have multiple packages, you have very reasonable price points, and
that makes sense. You're doing multiple sports as well, so
you could very easily go down the roto grinder's path
and just rob people, but you don't. And it's and
it's important because like our customer, our average customer tenure
is spectacular. It's spectacular because at the end of the day,

(46:57):
let's say you signed up last night and let's say
we have the worst possible nothing goes.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Well, yeah it was ten bucks.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
You'll give it another shot next week and it won't
go poorly next week, and then it's like, okay, we're back.
So that's why, to me, it was very important to
keep the price, keep it where it is.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
We have done nothing but add.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
It was a great value day one, and now here
we are two years later, we've done nothing but add
and it is still a phenomenal value. But it is
a tricky world because sometimes I'm a victim of my
own success. I was a victim of my own success. Yesterday,
for example, Actually last week's a better example. Last week
I was up money. It was a chaotic fight card,

(47:37):
and I was up money. But my one bet, what
I call the safety parlay, missed. And I'm a victim
of my own success because I have been promoting the
safety parlay for a long time. I've been talking about
its accuracy and call it the beacon of stability, and
it has been and it's done very very well long term.

(47:59):
It's done well term also. But what's happened is because
it's done so well, the expectation is that it will
never be wrong.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
And so two weeks ago or two events ago, I
was up money the collective me and all.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I did five bets. I hit four, I missed the one.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
But the one I missed had a name, And because
it had a name, and because it's been so reliable
for so.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Long, safety miss, safety miss? What the hell is safety missed?

Speaker 4 (48:27):
And it's like that's sort of the challenge here of balancing, like, hey,
the collective was spectacular, this one thing didn't do well,
and I know that one thing historically is reliable. So
you put a lot of faith into that, but we
also have these tools, and we have this, and we
have that and we have this. So it's a it's
a balancing act of like, here's as many resources as

(48:49):
humanly possible, here's what we think, and here's how we feel.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yep, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Don't.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Let's let's take this one week at a time. But
you always have to zoom out and look at let's
say a month, look at a month. Don't look at
an event. Don't look at because you could have an
unbelievable event. Next one's chaotic, and then we're back to
it like. It's a it's a very tricky environment where
you are balancing today's reality, this week's reality, this month's reality,

(49:21):
and it's a it's a it's a tough environment. But
you know, when you love the sport and you you
love what you do. The hardest part is separating myself
from the failures. The safety parlay missed. We did well
last night. The collective we Want Picks made money mostly Jacob.
But the collective we Want Picks did well yesterday. But

(49:42):
my safety parlay missed. And I get in my own
head and I beat.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Myself up, and I'm like god in it.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
It takes a lot to not take that out of
my family, like because now I'm frustrated and they're like, Daddy,
it's cleaning alone.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
So it's like it's it's a.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Lot to have it not bleed into the rest of
you your life. But yeah, you know, you just keep
moving forward and doing the best you could possibly do.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, No, I'm the same.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I'm the same way of course with like I said,
with the football, and then for the weekends I do
the baseball bets, and then of course during the weekday
I do my fantastic picks, which they did.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
They weren't.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
They were trying to put on MSN, the MSN portion
of our because we have a deal with MSN. They
were trying to put it out there for free, but
after one week they were like, hell no, we can't have.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
That out there, so they put it behind the payball.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
And so, like I evolved this, it started out as
a picks kind of article and then Doc came with
me and goes, look, I don't understand fighting, and I
everything you just described to me described how you fight.
But I'm I'm lost. He goes, I'm still lost, so
we cut it out. We threw in some DFS picks.
That's just something I've always done, been able to do,

(50:51):
be contrarian. That's that's what I build myself on during
football of the Ultra Controlleran show. So that was like
the big thing, and you see it going down and
you get those people.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Come back like this.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
One of the guys goes, hey, I play on prize picks,
and I go, well, I play on these. So it
was a first round knockout. Whoever it was last week
Boom on FanDuel. It scores like one hundred and forty
points and he gets like thirty nine points and the
over was like forty six, and I'm like, bro, I
can't help you there.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I'm sorry that it lost. It's a first round knockout.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
And you can't score more than forty six DFS points
under their scoring format.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
I'm not familiar with it.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
I can't even do it because tires picks is unavailable
in Pennsylvania other than some free thing you have to
build up for it.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
It's complete garbage.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
So that going forward, it's like that, and then you
see you know, and then you see like the things
that you know Fandel's doing. And I'm trying to bring
that out and I'm not going to go into it,
but the one time fande Will put out it was
the Murphy card. They put out the card and they
had pricing discrepancies bad, and by on Friday they canceled

(51:59):
every Buddies entries. We funded everything and made a whole
new slate with new numbers. Now they're allowed to do that,
but it was like, come on, man, like you had
this out for three four days. So I you know,
since then, and I've noticed, I don't know if it's
been going on as a trend, but I've noticed, especially
with FanDuel, they've been getting out their lineups a lot

(52:21):
later in the week.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
It's like Friday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
It's crazy, yeah, and we're trying to like I went
to do a baseball bet today for the Cubs because
they're gonna abuse the hell out of that picture. And
you know, I was like, okay, Pete Crow Armstrong, Okay,
we need Michael Bush, all right, we need our guy,
Kyle Tucker. They're gonna smash the hell out of this guy.
All right, where are we got? And then I go
to the thing and all they got is Ben Brown's strikeout, Like, okay,

(52:46):
I'll take that, but come on, man, so I go
to DK.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Oh look we got some DK. So there goes.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
It goes into the article because that's where I was
able to make that pitch. But that you know, you
want to hold out and you try not to hold
you know, give the options people options to make money.
Kind of what happened with the tackles. I caught them
a few times with their tackles. That's why they only
start the tackle props for football after the game starts now,
because they don't have a way to gauge IDP, which

(53:11):
is individual defensive player. I don't know if you play
fantasy football, but no, you know that's that's so that's
where you pick, like someone like TJ. Watt Boom. There
you go and you pick them and you get it.
So like you know, seasonal wise, I give that, but
when they go TJ. Watt's gonna have more than one
and a half tackle, and they're you know, they're they're predicted.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
To win big. You know, you're like TJ.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Watt's gonna have a sack, He's easily gonna make at
least two tackles, and they'll put the number at like
a plus one ten, so then I'll go smash it.
But now it's a little different. Of course, you have
to bend, you have to fold. DK itself allowed you
to parlay that. They don't let you parlay that stuff
anymore because you know, like one of the players last year,
I was able to take advantage of Brian Cook safety
for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
They literally ran him at three.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
And a half four and a half tackles for every
game last year.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
His average was like six point five, So it was
just easy money all year long. I understand that.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
But those same advantages I see with this, and that's
why I've been fighting so hard to bring it to
the forefront, but also because of the community that websites
like yourself and everybody have come together to describe it.
Is it toxic at times, especially with how big you are,
you could definitely get real toxic.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
But at the same time, I also see that it's
really rewarding too when we hit.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Of course, no, of course, and I have to remind
myself that the it's it's a it's a very passionate sport.
It's very like people. Even if you look pre results,
right if you look at any one of my breakdown
videos and.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
There are people are giving their own predictions. It is
just everybody's attacking each other. I think this guy happens.
What are you an idiot?

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Like everybody is one hundred percent sure. There is never
someone like maybe everybody's one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
They attack each other. And the craziest thing to me
is eight.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Seconds after a fight happened, people bang right back in
that comment section to a stranger told you what he
told you. It's like, dude, this is not so, but
that is you know, on one hand, it's not a
bad thing.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
It's just passion for the sport.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
On the other hand, it if you're on the receiving
end of random Internet, you're an idiot. I'm a genius
it and it takes everything in me. It takes everything
in me because like, like I'll get The number one
comment you get after you have a bad pick is like,
how could you think? Like that was so thinking? Demon

(55:32):
blackshear Winds is dumb. It's like, oh is it?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
He's younger, faster, he's the better striker, he's a better grappler,
and he beat the shit out him the first round.
So was that a crazy pick? So now like my
reaction is like, tell you what, you list every single
one of your picks for the next event right here? Yep,
so we could all play Sunday Morning Genius or shut up. Yeah,
And it drives me nuts.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
But you know, I am reminded in real life anytime
I meet somebody, my wife and I went out to
UFC three seventeen, anytime somebody came up, people couldn't be nicer,
couldn't be cooler, Yeah, couldn't be more normal. So it's
just like, you know, and it's hard. You can't judge
tone in text either. So if I'm in my fields

(56:16):
because I got a pick wrong or a bet wrong,
and then I'm reading a comment that's like, oh, safety missed,
I could read it safety missed, or I could read
it like ah, safety missed, and it's like, you know,
whatever mood I'm in is how I'm gonna read it,
And it's just yeah, man.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
So there's a.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Lot of toxic toxicity, but there's also a ton of love.
And like if a video gets twenty five thousand views
and there's twenty nasty comments, it's like okay, but there
was also twenty four thousand, nine hundred and eighty normal
people that didn't call you a fat weirdo who got
the pics wrong.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
It's like, exactly, you.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Take that, that's what and that's where like again, that's what,
that's what the.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Also, I did that math so fast again you're you're
just amazing.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
That's exactly throw it down. That's what Bring the Pain
is all about. That's what it started out. Is literally
I would call in on Serious XM when Dawk and
this other guy, Tommy G were on, and I would
just talk shit on whatever.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
So well, that's what you could say that I would
talk shit live.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
No, that's what That's what it was.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
It was.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I would be like, not, I wouldn't talk towards the expert.
I would talk towards the player. I would be like,
that is a different Yes, yes I don't troll like that,
but if the troll goes to troll me, I have
a skit called things that make Me a jerk, and
that they will end up on that.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
So I don't hold back. There's just no way.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
The only thing I was told that when I may
bring the pain was to swear a little less and
to just keep bringing that energy. Because of names attached
to it. But at the same time, that's what makes
it is, that's what makes the passion, and that's what
you know. If you're gonna go back and you're gonna
fire back at me about this, we could takes all
day long, but in the end, where's your picks at?

(58:02):
Oh you're gonna come in here and you're gonna talk
about that. Oh the over two and a half hit.
But I had the knockout happening. Oh, that's a big deal,
you know that was Did you put the house on that?

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Did you put the house on that?

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Because if you put the house.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
On that without consulting in me before you make that bet,
and you just did it because of what you thought
you were doing was right, then that's why you need
services like what you provide.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
That's exactly the whole thing in the Apprentice of It Again,
it goes back to not hitting the fricking place bet button.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Right. Look, we could see here.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
A bet home runs all day, right, but guess what,
somebody's gonna be right, somebody's being wrong. But in the end,
it's about the consistency, the consistency that you have built
with your company over the time period since you have
started your company.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
That allows you to say what you say and do
it whatever way.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
You want to say it. If you want to be
cocky about it, be cocky as shit. But if you
want to be humble about it, you could be humble
about it. But guess where the humble people end up
outside looking for crumbs get shipped on our watch.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
We need to bring the pun.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
You do get fired up. Shit.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Oh, that's why they're trying to contain me in these
point fights, because I've bet highly aggressive and.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
That's that's just that's just the style. That's who I am.
I don't know if that's the Italian or US, but
that's that's that's it, that's it.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I'm not as I'm aggressive, I'm.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Not as fiery. As I move into Texas is calming
down quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I'm aggressive in that I have no Everything to me
is a conflict.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
I just assume anybody who says something, I just assume
it's a conflict, like if you, I don't assume like
it's coming from a good place. I assume most criticisms
come from a negative place.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
So my brain is like, the's a conflict. Yeah, but
I have to I have to do. I've been trying
to do a better job of like, you can't argue
with everybody, that's impossible.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
No, And the thing is is when you get it right,
they're all like, ooh, cheer it.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
But you know what, here's the thing about the They
can give all the negative comments that they want. In
the end, they still like the like button because they
don't even know what the hell they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
So seriously, you still gave me the view bro in
one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
One of the most beneficial things YouTube rolled out is
it I obviously can see every comment, and if I
click on somebody's profile picture, I can see every comment
they've ever left. So that actually is very helpful because
if somebody does leag in negative comment and I tap
their profile picture and it's like, oh, this is a
reasonable human being that in the past has been like

(01:00:31):
I like this, I don't like this, this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Was great, this was bad, perfectly reasonable.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
But if I tap on it and you've only left
ten comments and every single one of those comments is
like whatever, Like Jacob gets a Jacob gets a lot
because he puts out a Lock of the week. It
is an underdog. It's basically a play on words. It's
an underdog every single week. This week he did a
plus nine hundred parlay, and interestingly enough, he had two

(01:00:57):
underdogs in it and a favorite, and the person who
blew the parlay was a favorite. The two underdogs that
he put in there one and people couldn't wait to
jump on them. And I know part of that is
just in good fun, like literally the culture, it's in
good fun, like another Fate of the Week, but some
of them are like wildly like so I tap it
and I look at it, and then I'll see a
profile and it's like this person has only left comments

(01:01:20):
on the lock of the Week video and only.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
When it loses, and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
It's like, dude, dude, that's the life we're trying to live.
But for the most part, and I know it sounds like, oh,
it's all just negative. No, for the for the most part,
it's it's a wild wave.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Immediately after the fights, right immediately after fights, everybody has
all this pent up, like either excitement or rage or
I can't believe this happened, or I wow, I can't
believe this happened, and it's all just pent up, and
they just flood the you know, flood, their their last
comment or the video or you know, because there was
a lot of positivity yesterday too, because I picked a
couple of massive underdogs. The first three fights a plus

(01:02:01):
three hundred dog one who I picked. The second fight
was a big favorite. The third fight was another plus
three dog. I picked him as well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
And throughout that hour that those three fights happened, comments
were coming in, dobood, I pick hit, great job.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Oh I can't believe we just got Elkhana and I
was like, oh nice, and then you know, then it
went off the rails. But it is like, I do
love all the feedback.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Obviously I could do without, you know, yeah your fat goblin,
I could do without that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
But you know I do. It's all appreciated because if
you know, what's worse than getting called fat every now
and then the internet is no interaction whatsoever, and it's like, so,
you know, let's I'm I I'm a human, so I
get in my own like you can't don't call me that.

(01:02:50):
But outside of that, it's like, yeah, I'm just just
I'm happier here, genuinely happier here, you know, And there's
honestly probably something to learn from why'd you pick this idiot?
It's like easily, why did I pick that idiot? I
don't know. Well, we'll do it again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
We could talk.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
I just throw this in real quick because I know
we'd be going an hour, so I know that, you know,
I'm thankful for this time. But like I fought this
other world champ because nobody would fight me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I won.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
My division was first place, and so that was out
and he won, so they wanted an exhibition match.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
But they didn't tell me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
This dude was a double black belt, and I was
like all right, because he had a purple belt on.
I'm like cool, I'm a purple belt, you know, working
on my round belt this year, and I'm like this
should be I mean, you know. So I go to
the guy and it's literally he's got a spin of
diffid or something, so he was like half a spine
whatever that is. So I went my last fight prior
to this guy was a six' five. GIANT i had

(01:03:43):
to literally be, cautious couldn't, blitz had to watch because you,
know he just puts the handout point fight, boom he
gets The he tore my head up, anyway because.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
That's all THAT i.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Exposed BUT i took his body out and got all
the points in that. Way BUT i was, like you,
know you would look at me and you, go, okay
nineteen year old world, champion double world, champion how's this?

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Guy world?

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Champion WELL i figured out he beat me at the
LAST i went to blitz.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Him he saide kicked the shit out of, me and that's.
It BUT i was. MISSING i was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Missing my backfist was going over his. Head you, know
he was faster than me because he was. Young and you,
KNOW i didn't at, TIMES i don't change up my game.
Plan and we've seen that recently too in a lot of.
Fights and and you, know kind of like you could
go back To Zell hubert last, week like literally his,
fight his corner said you gotta knock him, out and

(01:04:34):
he went out there and the first thing he did
was throw head kicks at That philly shell again, Man
And i'm, like you gotta, know so sometimes fighters can
be numb.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Skulls we don't calm, down.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
We do stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Stuff we get, it but then you, know eventually we
do get.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
It we do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Listen but if you're winning and you're doing all that,
stuff it's. Great it's when you're losing and you see
them doing. That numbs FIGHT iq is a is a huge,
thing and that is, what like you, said brings the
lie element to things that like what you. Do the
picks that we, give the stats that you put, out
the information that all of you and your team, give

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provide a unique experience and broad horizon that once you
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Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
About. GOD i, Hope, SO.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
I. Hope so that's what we're good. AGAIN i appreciate the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Time so go, ahead plug, yourself, man tell them tell
everybody about we want picks where they can find, you
what you're all about and your.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Team, nah, LISTEN i appreciate you having me. Where we
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Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Website we have a whole.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Suite of tools and. Information one of the most popular
things right now, though Are jacob my partner's live streams On.
Saturdays he watches the. Fights he's live for seven hours.
Straight he's placing bets for every, fight he's getting chat,
input and two of the last three weeks so for
every fight card he does a main card.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Parlay, yeah but they're not his. Picks it's the chat's.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
Picks it's about anywhere from a thousand to twelve, hundred
thirteen hundred people in there and their. Picks he builds
a full main card parlay two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Ago it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Hit it hit last night at set for seventeen hundred.
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Dollars never heard from him, Again but.

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Probably would have did it. Too you. Know i'm sitting
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shit that's the way to. Go but, yeah, MAN i
definitely think THAT i was gonna call in the other.
Night but, uh this fire THAT i bring sometimes it
gets a little. Wild AND i just got home from,
fighting SO i know that sometimes WHEN i get home from,
fighting it's not the best thing to pop in live

(01:07:42):
because my drenal eleven is so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Jacked so, AGAIN i love doing. This i'll make sure
you should.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Be able to pulled out the recordings for this at the.
End if, Not i'll make sure that you were able
to get any skits of this audio, wise video wise.

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That you could pull for this for your. Entertainment that's.
Great i'll put this on the Doctor rohto.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Network it'll probably air free as, well or not, free
but on the Doctor rohto network as well. Too so
we're gonna make sure we get this out and everybody
Follow we want, Picks angela and the team is getting
it constantly done and that's how we do. It that's
how we Really thanks Again angelo for coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Today not appreciate. You thanks for having.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Me oh, yeah always remember so bring the pine woo.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
My.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Man thanks for.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Stopping by the. Office get your fantasy prescription by.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Subscribing to the channel and checking out doctor rooto dot.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Com till the next visit to be.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Well and take.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Care

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