June 21, 2019 • 40 mins
Amanda, Shandy, and Colleen are joined by Angela Bloom to discuss Season 1 of "Big Little Lies." This episode was originally released on May 15, 2017, as an episode on our other podcast, "The Broadcast."
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Hello, and welcome to broad LittleLives with Amanda, Shandy and Colleen.
My name is Colleen. My nameis Ananda, and welcome everybody. So
back in the early days of thebroadcast, aka season one of the broadcast,
we actually did a podcast on aBig Little Lives Season one and it
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was all the feedback that we hadgotten to it, gotten for it,
we compiled it, we had specialguest Angela Bloom on it. We had
a great discussion. So we thoughtthat if anybody is subscribing to the feed
now and wants to hear our thoughtson season one of Big Little Lies,
we would share this now so youcan go back and listen to it.
So, without further ado, herewe go podcast. Hello and welcome to
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the broadcast, Episode forty one pointfive, our special Big Little Lies Feedback
episode. I am Colleen, I'mAmerica, I'm Shandy, and joining us
once again is the lovely Angela's andDesign the House and I'm here at this
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house. What up all right?So we are going to be talking about
We had a lot of feedback aboutBig Little Lies, and in the name
of time and exporting and level lighting, we decided to you make post production
a whole lot easier and your listeningexperience, and release this episode a little
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bit separately. Also because we knowthat not everybody is has seen big little
lies. So also for those ofyou who felt like it was a really
long time to wait in between episodes, since we took a little spring break,
we are making that up for you. Now, good instantaneous double episode.
That's what we call a silver lineexactly. That was my nickname in
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college, silver lining shine, noway, really form real, Yeah,
that's like my outlook on life islike, but did you consider this?
That's pretty really great nickname. Cool. I like it. The world is
ending, but wow, cool sideon the bright side. You know,
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I watched the Ellen with um,what's her name? Celeste? Nope,
Celeste, Nicole Giada. Oh mygod, it's so funny and awkward with
Giata and Giata. Yeah. Yeah, she's the worst, Like, yeah,
she's like a Food Network personality.Oh okay, but anyway, okay,
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so yeah, let's just jump rightinto this. I think did we
have we had some feedback about itin the Facebook group. Do we want
to read that real quick? Wecan read that, and while we're looking
for that, I just wanted tosay. Also, my husband, um
started this, Yes, he hadstarted it with me, but he watched
the first episode and then like didn'twatch it forever. And I was like,
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dude, you have to watch this. I know I'm gonna you're gonna
love it. I'm like a posture, like I keep forcing my husband to
watch it, Like he like,no, no, because he hasn't watched
it yet, watching a podcast aboutseventeen thousand other shows. Correct, Yeah,
it's just a little pied. Well, So my husband finally like watched
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a couple of episodes and then likehalfway through like got really into it and
was like, you know, likereally excited to watch the end. And
um, he was messaging me afterhe watched the finale and he was like,
oh my god, that was themost feminist thing I've watched so long,
Like that was so good. Andhe loves Madeline. That's like his
favorite character. And the episode whereshe pukes at the tablets like the funniest
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thing ever, really like so absurd. Yes, and that's why that's why
he loves her, because she's likequirky and she's crazy. Yeah, she
tried so hard to be so perfectand like she's just like it just literally
just explodes from her body. Yeah, do like no one can you You
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exalt yourself trying to be perfect,and that's like the perfect like metaphor of
that. Just yeah, I can'tkeep up the facade. Yes, And
it's just like perfectly cast too.I feel like they did such an amazing
job. They did a great jobeverybody. I mean, they should all
win awards for things. Especially I'mlike, if she doesn't get nominated for
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Pennies and Golden Globes, and there'sjust like come on, it's HBO.
It's like come on. And Ilike, I feel like I'm specifically already
married to Adam Scott, like Ifeel like he is, Like I already
feel like they're the same person.So it's like really hard for me to
like not already feel like he's inbig little eyes, so um, I
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really relate to his well except okay, so the thing the thing with that
character is, yes, like wehad talked about Anna and I had talked
about how like we got this reallyweird vibe from him the way he was
looking at his stepdaughter that one time, and my husband, independently of me,
was like, yeah, that wasreally weird. Like that felt weird.
It was like thank you. NoteNo I didn't. I know you
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did, because I love Adam Scotttoo much and I just see his character
from like, yeah, I justsee like Parks and rec and I just
nope, he'll never be creepy.I can't. Okay, I didn't.
Yeah, I didn't get there.Well, so I saw the creepy factor
I talked about by Shanny and thenI, but I attributed it to the
fact that it was kind of justtrying to show that he was sexually frustrated.
So I thought that that was aclue that was going to be,
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like, it doesn't make me frustrated. So you're looking creepily at your stepdaughter,
Well creepily, that's exactly. That'sexactly I think I'm supposed to that.
He's a man with feelings. Butshe didn't want it. She didn't
want to tea, so he didn'tact on it. He didn't act on
it. No, No, that'shis fucking daughter. It doesn't matter if
it's I never saw any of that, so I didn't get that vibe from
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him at all. All right,let's get into the Facebook anyway I could.
We could debate another fucking hour onthis show, because we've done a
lot of it so far. Solet's just see what the listeners want to
debate us on. UM. Lauriesaid, I finished the book. Wow,
holy twist at the end? Isthe TV show pretty much the same?
I'm definitely gonna watch it. Wonderingif I can finally listen to episode
thirty seven before I watched the show. Does anything else happened that wasn't in
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the book? Man, he says, not anything big as the twist in
the end happens in the show.Um. I enjoyed the book. And
then she says, oh, tryher husband's secret. Um, if you
want to read another thing from theauthor, Angela, have you read the
book? Yeah? So I readthe book, and I mean, she's
pretty She's pretty much right. Iwould say that the babe difference is that
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is in the that the only thingthat's missing from the TV show, UM,
is that Bonnie is given a backstory, UM, where she really isn't
given Um, she isn't or she'sgiven one in the book where she isn't
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given one in the TV show.You know, And that sort of is
like a big deal because it explainsa lot more why she does what she
does, um, whereas um,in the TV show, you're sort of
like, wait, why why isit Bonnie? You know, like or
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you know, like you're very caughtoff guard. Um. But I mean,
besides that, it's all it's allvery much similar. Um. There's
a few nuanced things, but theydo a pretty good job of keeping it
in line. And I would sayI almost prefer the t V show.
Um, they bring the characters tolife a little bit more. That's what
somebody else said send in one ofthe too. Actually they prefer yeah,
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I think yeah, Oh no,actually wait, I think yeah, I
think Joanne says in the email thoughthat's just so that's my personal taste.
But yeah, we can read Joanne'semail as well. Um, but that's
my personal taste. I feel likethat they bring the characters a little bit
to life, um, just throughthe acting a little bit more. Um.
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But that's just how I read it. So I feel like it just
depends on how you read the book. But were there any more Facebook comment?
I think that was pretty much it. Everything else has been sent to
us as feedback. Which do youwant to do the honors? Yeah?
So to the broads from Joanne Um. She says, I just finished reading
Big Little Lies, and I willkeep this as spoiler free as possible,
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which we will most likely not bedoing in this in this discussion. While
reading, While the book was verygood, I prefer the TV series.
Like we said, there are manydifferences, including the participants in the big
scene and the aftermath. I wouldsay the main extra missing from the TV
show, and that was pointed outby previous listener, is that Bonnie is
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given a backstory to explain her actions, although it was not given until the
actual incident and was not in depth. Beyond that extra book tidbit, there
are not nearly as many interpersonal conflictsin the book, which I feel added
more substance and more guessing about theending to the TV version. And to
return to the discussion on your lastshow about the abuse, it was definitely
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all physical in the book, withnone of the sexual undertones and overtones of
the TV series. I wonder ifthe different depiction has anything to do with
the culture, as the book isset in Australia. It is not that
I think abuse is different, justhow discussion and depiction might be affected by
how the topic is normally viewed indifferent cultures. Likely way to know for
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sure. Um yeah, So,I mean I don't think that I necessarily
felt as strongly as Joanne did thatit was like one hundred percent not sexually
overtoned. In the book, Idid think that there was a little bit
of sexual overtone. I think thatI think that there was. It was
hard to say that there wasn't anyat all, because their relationship was a
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little sexually charged. Um, butyet they definitely amped that up for the
TV show. I mean they madeit mostly sexual with Scars Guard and at
Scars the Guard Pean, which Ithink Shanty leaned right if I remember correctly,
I think. But yeah, AndI think it's interesting to think about
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the differences of culture. I wouldsay that it's actually maybe not so much
a difference in like Australian and Americanculture per se, so much as it
is a difference in TV culture.Like it's Yeah, we talked about kind
of the last time about how thingsare sexualized and like that's and visual ches
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literature. Well, yeah, howdo something that's you know, a visual
component to just works. Well,it's it's very easy to visually show physical
abuse, like it doesn't have toturn sexual, but I think and that's
where I had said in a previousepisode that like, for me, that
was where I was like a littlebit iffy on it, Like I didn't
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like that that the show was sortof making it like a little bit sexy
slash a little bit abusive, andthen tipping this failed more and more abusive.
I just felt like the when it'snot really clear like if it's supposed
to be sexy or not, Ithink that for a certain audience they could
confuse the two. Yeah, Iknow, And I think Amanda and I
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had argued at that point that itwasn't that they were trying to make it
sexy in our minds, it wasthey were trying to show how when you're
in that situation sometimes the lines areso blurred that you don't know the difference.
And we kind of the way thatCeleste was figuring it out that more
and more that it was it wasnot their sex life, so to speak,
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It was more you know, abusethat was was, you know,
and it just kind of it wasclouded for her. And that's kind of
how I think that that's very reallife where it's not a cut and dry
thing and we were almost seeing itthrough her lens. Absolutely, yeah,
Whereas I think as the show progressed, you know, we whereas in the
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book when I was when you readthe book, you were reading the book
from almost a narrative perspective, whereyou're seeing it mostly from a certain abusive
perspective the entire time, whereas inthe TV show you really are seeing it
from the character's perspectives, whereas it'snot that way. In the book.
You're seeing it from a pretty outwardlens the whole time, where you know
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it is a mystery, but youyou really aren't delving too deep into the
fact that, like Celeste is theone who like you, you think like,
oh, okay, maybe maybe heis an okay person, maybe he
is just like that's just how theyhave sex. I think that that's the
psychology of an abuse victim. Yeah, don't. It doesn't stir always,
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and even abuser doesn't always start outas straight up being punched because you disagree
in a fight, like you know, or you didn't do the dishes the
right way or whatever. It is, like it's sometimes it is it is
something that starts and then it escalates, like you know, it's that's kind
of very real life. That's veryrealistic to me. Just and I wasn't
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one hundred percent sure because of howthey were doing it that they were going
to follow what the book had ohwith the like I even just like from
the from the get go, becauseof the way that Celeste and and her
husband were were acting I and howsexualized it was and how you know,
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like the abuse was being portrayed.I wasn't sure that they were following the
book like word for word. Yeah, you know, I was like,
maybe they're just taking this as likea guideline and they're creating a whole new
story. Yeah. And that's areally interesting point because it's like when you're
adapting something from a book, andI mean I knew nothing about it going
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into it, but I would imagine, I mean, the book probably had
enough of a following that they decidedto make a show out of it that
like there is something to be saidabout how can we make the story exciting
indifference that someone who read the bookisn't bored? Yeah, yeah, how
can we tease everybody? So it'slike that that's an interesting, interesting probably
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that the directors and the show creatorsthought about when they were building the story
and they were building the style inwhich they were going to shoot it.
Yeah, and from what my sistershave said and they both read the book,
is that they were in I thinkMandy said this too, that they
were all in suspense while watching thatfinal scene, because even though you know
what's going to happen, it's slightlydifferent. It's, you know, just
different enough that you don't know forsure what's going to happen. And I
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was convinced that it was gonna beBonnie. I I up until the final
scene, I didn't think it wasgonna I wasn't sure it was gonna be
Bonnie, and I wasn't sure thatit was Alexander Scartscart was gonna die,
Like I wasn't sure. Story Andas a storyteller and as a story is
adapting someone else's story, that's whatyou want to do. That like someone
who knows what's happening, it's stilllike, oh, well, maybe that's
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not what's going to happen, Likeyeah, that's hitting, that's hitting the
ball out of the park. Fromlike a story, I was like wacky
and like I was like, maybeCelesti, it's gonna die I was like,
oh crap, this would be crazyif she died, Like I would
be pissed, Like I was gonnabe furious, and like it was crazy.
But I mean overall, I waslike on pins and needles the whole
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time I was dying. It wasprobably one of the best things I've seen
in a long time. Um,And I think that it had a really
yeah, and I think that ithad a really solid whether it be the
message that you felt was appropriate,it had a message, which I think
isn't always the case. And Ithink that it said something, you know,
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whether that was something that you agreedwith or not. It definitely had
a point of view, which sometimesisn't always the case with these HBO shows.
I think you're right, Shandy whenyou say, like it can be
overly sexualized, and I mean thatcan be the case with HBO stuff,
and I think that, like,I think that they found a way to
make it a little bit more ofa statement than it could have been,
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well right, And I mean likeI think like when I think of HBO,
like, I mean, the biggestexample that comes to mind is of
course Game of Thrones, where theyreally should I love Game of Thrones,
but they really shop the bed ona couple of different times. With the
way that they use rape in thatshow. Yeah, unnecessary rape, you
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know, as as like you know, as like a as like a as
some as like a male's plot pointa lot of times. But um,
but that being honestly one of thereasons why I just can't yeah no to
further the story about some dude they'regonna they're gonna rape a woman. But
hey, Amanda College, I meanthat being said, like sorry, I
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just started playing the next phone calledaccident. Oh no, I was just
I was just gonna say that,like I had that one caveat and I
had like that's like the one thingthat's like kind of in my mind.
But overall, I agree with youAngela, like there's definitely a really strong
message and I think that overall it'sa success. And I really really liked
the show, So I'm not I'mnot, like, you know, super
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complaining about it. I just thinkthat that's it's something to where that's it,
like, you know, and Iwould agree with you if we didn't
see Celeste, the person that wasexperiencing it, realized that it was not
okay, it was not not sexy. It was not her sexually almost like
yeah, it almost like looks backon her. So I think I remember
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that. What I think. Ithink it's almost for me, it's almost
like a more of like a readerresponse, like kind of lens that I'm
seeing it through where I'm where I'mrealizing that so much of the population is
so stupid that like, yeah,get that. No, you're right.
I mean it's true because I sawa lot of response to it, especially
after the airing of the finale,where people were like I can't believe that,
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like he was the one who waslike doing it and people still don't
realize that, like he was theone who raped Shaley Wooley's character, like
it, Like it drives me insanethat like he's the one who is the
father of Ziggy, like that thatdoes cres the people what I didn't even
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know? How could you not know? The actor was so good? I
know, like that thing they literallyshowed us that he was the person she
held a gun to him in herI know. But like when even when
even when Shalley it looks at NicoleKidling, that's a kid, and liked
they have that moment like those twoshould get all the awards, all the
oly I got there, I satthere watching and I was like, that's
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why these caliber actors wanted to dothis show. Yeah, for that scene.
Yeah, that's like acting like lookat me, go like look at
Like they look at each other andthey have like a moment where it's just
like everything becomes clear and it's justlike their entire worlds fall apart and you're
just like I was just like broken, and I was like, no,
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I've watched I told you, Iwatched that scene like fifteen times in a
row. Like I just it's soamazing, so good. All the fields,
all the all the chills, allthe awards, all the fields.
Yeah seriously. Um, all right, so we have a voicemail from Desire,
So let's see what Desire can saythat we're going to argue about in
a second. Bring it. Hey, Amanda, Colleen, and Shandy,
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this is does. Um. Iwas just calling to talk about Big Little
Eyes. Um. I went aheadand watched it because you know, everybody
was saying it was really good.It didn't interest me at first, because
yeah, I'm not really into likemurder mysteries and things like that. But
as I give it a try becausegetting such good reviews from everybody. So
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I watched it and I really enjoyedit. I could not stop watching each
episode I finished. I was like, Oh, I just want to watch
the next episode. Um. Ofcourse I didn't have time to do this,
you know, watch all the episodesin a row, but I would
have if I had the time.It was it was great. Um.
First of all, being somebody whohas lived most of their adult life below
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the poverty line, there's no wayin hell Jane can afford that little house
on a part time um salary asa single mother. I have been a
single mother and I have not beenable to afford a house that expensive on
I part time salary. I've alwayshad to work full time to afford to
raise my children on my own,and even then it was really tight.
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So that was bullshit. But Iwas able to forgive it because it's TV.
And then I, you know,I going into this show at the
beginning, I was like, Ah, these are all those mothers that I
can't stand in real life, theseperfect little well to do moms. They're
just really annoying. I have nothingin common with them. I don't identify
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with them at all. I don'tlike them. I don't get along with
them. I just I don't likebeing around them. But you shouldn't.
I guess judge a book by itscover, because they were actually much deeper
characters than that, and it wasyou were able to see that they had
they had problems just like anybody else. In fact, I was able to
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identify with most of those characters.In the end, Um, you know,
I just Ranata and her ups beingupset about her daughter getting bullied,
because there's nothing worse than your childbeing hurt and not being able to do
anything about it. I think anyparent can identify with that. And then
Madeline and her um her, uh, she's getting upset about her children getting
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older and and moving on and hernot you know, just being that mother.
What else was she? And Icould definitely identify with that. Once,
you know, my children were gettingolder, I was like, oh
my god, my children are leavingme. What what else do I have?
Nothing? Um? But of coursenow I have Astrid, so I
can be a mother for another eighteenyears. So that's nice. Um.
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But it was it was really compelling. Um. And at first I'm gonna
do a little spoilers here, butat first, I didn't know if I
liked the fact that Perry was theperson who had raped Jane. But then
when I thought about it a littlebit, and I was like, yeah,
I kind of I kind of likethat because he was an awful person,
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and you know, it just itwas very coincidental, of course,
because you know, of course shehappened to moved to this place where he
was there, and it's like,well, how did she not recognize him
before that? But she never evenmet him until that moment. I'm guessing
I don't remember seeing them interact orbe around each other before that, so
I guess that did work. Butyeah, I do kind of like it
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because it just showed that, youknow, he was just a truly awful
person, even though they tried tomake him semi sympathetic a little bit,
I think, but uh, yeah, so I kind of like that.
And and the fact that it wasBonnie that did it, I had no
problem with that. I thought thatwas that was interesting. It was definitely
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what you were not expecting. Andthe fact that these and mothers could come
together at the end in spite oftheir differences and their feelings, because they
went through this together and they were, you know, stronger for going through
this together, and they were ableto bond was really great. So I
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really really enjoyed it. I'm tryingto get my husband to watch it.
Excuse me. He keeps saying,Okay, i'll start it, I'll start
it. I don't think he thinkshe's gonna like it, but I think
he's gonna love it, so I'lltry and get him to watch it.
Anyways, just wanted to tell youthanks for recommending it and thanks for putting
that the weeks spoiler warning when youguys talked about it, because I did
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think I might want to watch it, and I didn't want to spoil myself
if I did, and I'm gladI didn't because it was well worth not
knowing what was happening, and itwas nice to be able to go back
to the podcast and listen to youguys talk about it after I was done
watching it. So anyways, loveyou guys. Bye. See. I'm
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the greatest for my spoiler warning.But it's really funny how Shandy, Angela
and I have all been like andthen we tried to get our husbands to
watch it, so we watched it. So did Desiree well that's true.
And yeah, and Daniel got intoit too, just because like we I
started watching it, and then hewould sort of be in the room and
be like do you mind if Iwatched and be like, okay, that's
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cool, and then by the endhe's like, do you want to watch
Big Little What? Yeah? Oh, but I have the sample of popcorn
eat the popcorn, yes, andthe fritos and the fridos. Don't we
know it? Thank you for allthat days. That was awesome. Yeah,
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that was like a super succinct likesynopsis of the entire Yeah. And
it was kind of funny that shetalked about everything that we just talked about
and we hadn't even heard her voicemailfirst, right, Yeah, and I
like you even mentioned the whole thingabout Perry and not really knowing that he
was going to be the person andthat it was going to be him and
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that she wasn't sure, and thenand that she may not have met him
before. She definitely didn't, Yeah, she definitely didn't. And then I
love that she mentions that she definitelycouldn't afford that kind of a house,
because that is for sure accurate andwe haven't really brought that up a ton
so the only yeah, yeah,it's not as somebody who lives in Monterey
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myself, Like I can't say that. It's not even just affording that house
in wherever, USA, like affordinga house in monterri No, No,
absolutely not in that neighborhood. Nope. But I mean just like does like
does she go by Yeah, shegoes by days. Okay, well you
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know she's does to you now kindof like how I definitely called Angela Angie
a whole bunch of times this weekend. But to be fair, that's because
when I talk to Mike, herefers to you as Angie sometimes once like
but here's the thing, like Idon't let people call me that, and
like for some reason Mike called meAndrew like a few times and now it's
like I'm sorry once I was soberthe second By the second night, I
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you know, I think Jay waslike I don't think she likes that,
and I was like, I don'tcare. You don't call me that.
It's like my parents call me atsometimes, so cool, like I prefer
as you know, it's just likenot like my nickname. So like if
people call me and I may Imay just not respond so like, but
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I'm not a rudeness, it's justbecause that's not normally you call me that,
so it just may not know you'recalling me, right, Hi,
Angela may Randy. I mean hedidn't meet me, so it's better.
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But I also wonder, like ifyou did it in any order, if
the third one was always going tobe like, mom, I'm done,
anybody else hello too. I havebeen stalking you, Shandy since you've been
training for the marathon. And likeI did wonder if Montere was the Montere
of Big Little Eyes, but Ididn't want to ask in case it wasn't.
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It is butter Indiana, so likeno, like I knew it was
was like a real place. Sookay, when where they're driving all the
time, that's like you're that's whereyou ran, That's where I ran the
marathon and sir, yeah, Sothey don't actually live because if they lived
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there, their kids would not goto school in Monterey, which, apparently,
according to the show, has theseamazing public schools, which whichever can't
be true. But I don't normal. Yeah, I think it is normal,
but I don't actually know because theydon't work in Also, the soundtrack
when they're driving. Oh god,the soundtrack of everything that show is thetrack
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you actually you can like, Idon't like to Spotify or whatever, but
they didn't. Yeah, so it'sit's somebody put together a soundtrack playlist on
Spotify. I'm really emotional about thisshow right now. Oh my god.
All right, let's hear it.Maggie has to say. Yeah, hey,
Amanda, Shandy and Colleen, thisis Maggie calling in. I literally
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just closed the book of Thick LittleLives. I just finished the book.
It was good. I really likedit. Um, it has some differences
from from the show. I thinkI liked the show better, right,
which is weird, but a littleweird, I guess because usually the book
is better. So yeah, Ithink it was the show a little bit
better, but it was still areally good book. And so just wondering
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if you guys have gotten farther whichthe bo and I don't know. I
missed you guys last week. We'lltake a week off. No, I
understand that you needed too. Andthen that was very sad not to be
in a rally. But I willbe there next year, um, come
hell or high water, I willbe there because I've missed two years in
a row, and it sucks.So I'm sad because but yeah, so
(30:18):
I can't wait to hear some moreabout it and can't wait to listen to
the show. I'll talk to youguys later. Bye bye, bye bye
bye bye. Um next year,next year, everybody and Candy will be
there too. I think next yearwe want to kind of time it with
UM West World. So hopefully,right, yeah, hopefully it was hopefully
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has a normal student schedule and likeproduces something content wise. Yeah, my
guests, and this is just youknow, Jay and I were talking about
this. Our guess is that theywill probably take over because Leftovers took over
a Game of Thrones normal spot,so we think that they'll take over that
same that same time slot that ifthey production wise can get back on track.
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That's I don't know. You guysmight even if you were afraid of
all of us this time, youmight have to come down next year.
We were not cool. I wasnot I was sort of a zombie for
the first day and a half.But then I got better cool. Then
I got actually once I had mybelongings with me again, once I had
clothing actually few cases, well,two tier. We true we missed this
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on the last episode that we didfor Joanne. Just to follow up with
her email, she said she hada great time at the annual get together
and Raleigh, I want to givea shout out to Amanda for winning Cards
against Humanity and note that she wonby playing the card strong female Characters and
because I picked that card without knowingit was hers, because obviously the broadcast
tie in as the winner of thathand, woo whoo. But it's all
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because did you actually did You hadlike a lot of really like awesome luck
with that the Miley Cyrus card,which like so perfect. Then you had
the strong characters to be fair,the card down was like Hannah Montana's new
movie, Yeah, something like She'sworried about what? Yeah, yeah,
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so you just was it tied inso perfectly, and then um, you
had the strong female characters that Joannehappened to pick. And then the very
last one was the one that Idid, right and you did. My
first win was yours, the patriarchyone. No no, no, no,
no, the one that the onethat we finished on me, and
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it was Who's my worst enemy?Right maybe something like that, And you
picked The first one I won wasyours. Oh I got you two too?
Yeah, And I did you pickedDaniel or Daniel picked you or something?
Wasn't there life some collusion going onand she picked one of mine?
I pick tiss okay, Man,I don't know. I understood man.
It really well, like super well, I really like. It's always one
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of those games where like I alwaysfeel like I'm really clever and I'm really
funny, and I put down onesand I'm like I'm gonna win, and
I never win. So I'm like, ah, I just needed to find
my audience, and I found myaudience becausound me. You get my humor,
you get my wits, and Iloved it. Sad sad dragons,
sad sad, fat dragon with nofriends with friends, That's what I felt
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like. I always felt like thesad fat dragon with no friends. Now
you've got all your friends, andnow I have skinny, happy dragon.
So now the dragons on the treadmillget in shape, and he has a
lot of friends. And you knowthere maybe some like rocky music playing in
the background. It's like chug inthe raw eggs. Oh my god.
(33:53):
All right, on that note,anybody else have anything to say for the
big little lies top. Otherwise we'regoing to call it a night. I'll
call it a day, a nightor whatever. You're listening to this for
this portion of the discussion, andwe can always pick it back up whenever
it gives more feedback. It's agreat show. You should watch it if
you haven't. And it's a greatbook. You should read it if you
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have it. Okay, good,because it seems like we've had a couple
of people who have said that theypreferred this show. And I finally got
the book from the library. Iwas like, still, you know,
okay, I was on the waitinglist. I got the large print was
the one that became available first,So I have the book for like,
yeah, that was someone suggestion.I think there was Maggie's suggestions. Oh
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yeah, I'm yeah, I'm allabout the large print. It's your eyes.
Ah yeah, there's that too.Um okay. So I was like
I got the book and then wehad all this feedback about how the show
was better, and I was like, I have a stack of books to
read, like do I want towhat if everyone's saying that, no,
the show is just different. It'sjust more like enriching character wise. But
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the book is a really good mystery, really good and like fun story to
read. Cool, you'll just geta lot more like character. Yeah,
like development with the TV show,but that's more on the actor's part,
that's not. Yeah. So it'sstill a really good book though. And
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I read the book what I foundout about the show, So it wasn't
like that. I like read thebook like a long time ago, Like
I heard the shows coming out andI was like, oh, it looks
like an interesting show. But beforethe show came out, I like picked
up the book and like read it. So cool. I think the next
thing that we're going to probably allcollectively check out is The Handmaiden's Tail.
Oh, it's I used to bespectacular the book. I'm scared. I
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read the book twice in college.I loved it so much. Yeah,
we had to read it. Wehad it was part of a yeah in
high school. Yeah, it waslike my freshman year English class at Merris.
I didn't even know what I keptit and I read it again.
You didn't know there was a book, no, not until Amanda said,
ith my god, are you kidding? Yeah? I had no idea.
(36:05):
We had to read it in ninthgrade English class. It was like a
major like project. Yeah, wenever, we never, It was never
assigned to me, and I've neverread it. Yeah. Oh actually I
take it back. I read itsophomore year because I took a dual English
English history class where we read allliterature that was based on history and time
travel and we would like talk aboutit like what this was part of,
(36:29):
Like like why that person envisioned thefuture? They did? It was part
of like the nineteen eighty four Likeyeah, yeah, so we read The
Headman's Tale. We read in nineteeneighty four. It was part of like
my like ninth grade English, likein high school, Time Machine, Brave
New World, like that whole likeenvisioning the future. But like what about
You? Probably a little too muchfor me to be reading in high school,
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but yeah, that's where I readends. Yeah, because you take
out what when you're a freshman you'rewhat fourteen fifteen? Yeah, Like that's
that's a little heavy. It washeavy, but yeah, which is why
I have yet to watch the tothe Hulu show. I think it need
to just buckle down and like whipit out in one day because it's going
to be a lot for me.I whip it out to the right or
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the left, probably to the left. Okay, say I hear that everybody
else does. That's conformists out.Yes, we know, we know,
we're just kidding. I'll just pickout some like basketball shorts so we can
hang free. Oh my god,that's what the cool cats are doing.
Yes, Oh, Shanny. Imeant to ask you on the last episode
that we did forty one point zero, um, if you also, because
(37:37):
we were talking about underwear, ifyou also run commando like Mike. But
okay, actually interesting, No,okay, there we go. Question that
interesting. Do you guys remember whenI was talking about like giving myself like
a like an almost uti when Idid my twin mile run. Yeah,
(38:00):
And I was talking to my friendabout that and she's like, she's like,
are you sure it was because youwere dehydrated? Because she's like,
I don't think that's what it was. It was like, well I went
to the doctor for that once andlike that, like I was really thirsty,
Like I don't know, that's kindof what they said. And she
was like, okay, like whatunderwear were you wearing? Probably more it
(38:21):
was more having to do with like, you know, like just stop like
ventilation. Yeah, And I waslike, shit, well underwear was I
wearing? I was wearing cotton underwear. There you go like, screw the
cotton underwear. Sorry, but thatdoes not you know, whisk away moisture.
And so anyway, She's like,no, you should you should run.
(38:43):
You know how they have like shortshave running shorts have like a built
in thing. And I was like, yeah, even when well I never
wear shorts really, but even whenI did, I would still wear underwear
because it just feels weird to justhave that weird thing. But I'm gonna
try, all right. So onthat note, anybody has any um um.
If you guys have anything else tocontribute to our Big Little Lies discussion,
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and that helps us out as well. All right, on that note,
guys, thanks for listening. I'mColleen, I'm Amanda, I'm Shandy,
I'm Angela. Good night by nexttime
Hello, and welcome to broad LittleLives with Amanda, Shandy and Colleen.
My name is Colleen. My nameis Ananda, and welcome everybody. So
back in the early days of thebroadcast, aka season one of the broadcast,
we actually did a podcast on aBig Little Lives Season one and it
(00:20):
was all the feedback that we hadgotten to it, gotten for it,
we compiled it, we had specialguest Angela Bloom on it. We had
a great discussion. So we thoughtthat if anybody is subscribing to the feed
now and wants to hear our thoughtson season one of Big Little Lies,
we would share this now so youcan go back and listen to it.
So, without further ado, herewe go podcast. Hello and welcome to
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the broadcast, Episode forty one pointfive, our special Big Little Lies Feedback
episode. I am Colleen, I'mAmerica, I'm Shandy, and joining us
once again is the lovely Angela's andDesign the House and I'm here at this
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house. What up all right?So we are going to be talking about
We had a lot of feedback aboutBig Little Lies, and in the name
of time and exporting and level lighting, we decided to you make post production
a whole lot easier and your listeningexperience, and release this episode a little
(01:37):
bit separately. Also because we knowthat not everybody is has seen big little
lies. So also for those ofyou who felt like it was a really
long time to wait in between episodes, since we took a little spring break,
we are making that up for you. Now, good instantaneous double episode.
That's what we call a silver lineexactly. That was my nickname in
(02:02):
college, silver lining shine, noway, really form real, Yeah,
that's like my outlook on life islike, but did you consider this?
That's pretty really great nickname. Cool. I like it. The world is
ending, but wow, cool sideon the bright side. You know,
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I watched the Ellen with um,what's her name? Celeste? Nope,
Celeste, Nicole Giada. Oh mygod, it's so funny and awkward with
Giata and Giata. Yeah. Yeah, she's the worst, Like, yeah,
she's like a Food Network personality.Oh okay, but anyway, okay,
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so yeah, let's just jump rightinto this. I think did we
have we had some feedback about itin the Facebook group. Do we want
to read that real quick? Wecan read that, and while we're looking
for that, I just wanted tosay. Also, my husband, um
started this, Yes, he hadstarted it with me, but he watched
the first episode and then like didn'twatch it forever. And I was like,
(03:13):
dude, you have to watch this. I know I'm gonna you're gonna
love it. I'm like a posture, like I keep forcing my husband to
watch it, Like he like,no, no, because he hasn't watched
it yet, watching a podcast aboutseventeen thousand other shows. Correct, Yeah,
it's just a little pied. Well, So my husband finally like watched
(03:35):
a couple of episodes and then likehalfway through like got really into it and
was like, you know, likereally excited to watch the end. And
um, he was messaging me afterhe watched the finale and he was like,
oh my god, that was themost feminist thing I've watched so long,
Like that was so good. Andhe loves Madeline. That's like his
favorite character. And the episode whereshe pukes at the tablets like the funniest
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thing ever, really like so absurd. Yes, and that's why that's why
he loves her, because she's likequirky and she's crazy. Yeah, she
tried so hard to be so perfectand like she's just like it just literally
just explodes from her body. Yeah, do like no one can you You
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exalt yourself trying to be perfect,and that's like the perfect like metaphor of
that. Just yeah, I can'tkeep up the facade. Yes, And
it's just like perfectly cast too.I feel like they did such an amazing
job. They did a great jobeverybody. I mean, they should all
win awards for things. Especially I'mlike, if she doesn't get nominated for
(04:46):
Pennies and Golden Globes, and there'sjust like come on, it's HBO.
It's like come on. And Ilike, I feel like I'm specifically already
married to Adam Scott, like Ifeel like he is, Like I already
feel like they're the same person.So it's like really hard for me to
like not already feel like he's inbig little eyes, so um, I
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really relate to his well except okay, so the thing the thing with that
character is, yes, like wehad talked about Anna and I had talked
about how like we got this reallyweird vibe from him the way he was
looking at his stepdaughter that one time, and my husband, independently of me,
was like, yeah, that wasreally weird. Like that felt weird.
It was like thank you. NoteNo I didn't. I know you
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did, because I love Adam Scotttoo much and I just see his character
from like, yeah, I justsee like Parks and rec and I just
nope, he'll never be creepy.I can't. Okay, I didn't.
Yeah, I didn't get there.Well, so I saw the creepy factor
I talked about by Shanny and thenI, but I attributed it to the
fact that it was kind of justtrying to show that he was sexually frustrated.
So I thought that that was aclue that was going to be,
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like, it doesn't make me frustrated. So you're looking creepily at your stepdaughter,
Well creepily, that's exactly. That'sexactly I think I'm supposed to that.
He's a man with feelings. Butshe didn't want it. She didn't
want to tea, so he didn'tact on it. He didn't act on
it. No, No, that'shis fucking daughter. It doesn't matter if
it's I never saw any of that, so I didn't get that vibe from
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him at all. All right,let's get into the Facebook anyway I could.
We could debate another fucking hour onthis show, because we've done a
lot of it so far. Solet's just see what the listeners want to
debate us on. UM. Lauriesaid, I finished the book. Wow,
holy twist at the end? Isthe TV show pretty much the same?
I'm definitely gonna watch it. Wonderingif I can finally listen to episode
thirty seven before I watched the show. Does anything else happened that wasn't in
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the book? Man, he says, not anything big as the twist in
the end happens in the show.Um. I enjoyed the book. And
then she says, oh, tryher husband's secret. Um, if you
want to read another thing from theauthor, Angela, have you read the
book? Yeah? So I readthe book, and I mean, she's
pretty She's pretty much right. Iwould say that the babe difference is that
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is in the that the only thingthat's missing from the TV show, UM,
is that Bonnie is given a backstory, UM, where she really isn't
given Um, she isn't or she'sgiven one in the book where she isn't
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given one in the TV show.You know, And that sort of is
like a big deal because it explainsa lot more why she does what she
does, um, whereas um,in the TV show, you're sort of
like, wait, why why isit Bonnie? You know, like or
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you know, like you're very caughtoff guard. Um. But I mean,
besides that, it's all it's allvery much similar. Um. There's
a few nuanced things, but theydo a pretty good job of keeping it
in line. And I would sayI almost prefer the t V show.
Um, they bring the characters tolife a little bit more. That's what
somebody else said send in one ofthe too. Actually they prefer yeah,
(08:07):
I think yeah, Oh no,actually wait, I think yeah, I
think Joanne says in the email thoughthat's just so that's my personal taste.
But yeah, we can read Joanne'semail as well. Um, but that's
my personal taste. I feel likethat they bring the characters a little bit
to life, um, just throughthe acting a little bit more. Um.
(08:28):
But that's just how I read it. So I feel like it just
depends on how you read the book. But were there any more Facebook comment?
I think that was pretty much it. Everything else has been sent to
us as feedback. Which do youwant to do the honors? Yeah?
So to the broads from Joanne Um. She says, I just finished reading
Big Little Lies, and I willkeep this as spoiler free as possible,
(08:52):
which we will most likely not bedoing in this in this discussion. While
reading, While the book was verygood, I prefer the TV series.
Like we said, there are manydifferences, including the participants in the big
scene and the aftermath. I wouldsay the main extra missing from the TV
show, and that was pointed outby previous listener, is that Bonnie is
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given a backstory to explain her actions, although it was not given until the
actual incident and was not in depth. Beyond that extra book tidbit, there
are not nearly as many interpersonal conflictsin the book, which I feel added
more substance and more guessing about theending to the TV version. And to
return to the discussion on your lastshow about the abuse, it was definitely
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all physical in the book, withnone of the sexual undertones and overtones of
the TV series. I wonder ifthe different depiction has anything to do with
the culture, as the book isset in Australia. It is not that
I think abuse is different, justhow discussion and depiction might be affected by
how the topic is normally viewed indifferent cultures. Likely way to know for
(10:00):
sure. Um yeah, So,I mean I don't think that I necessarily
felt as strongly as Joanne did thatit was like one hundred percent not sexually
overtoned. In the book, Idid think that there was a little bit
of sexual overtone. I think thatI think that there was. It was
hard to say that there wasn't anyat all, because their relationship was a
(10:24):
little sexually charged. Um, butyet they definitely amped that up for the
TV show. I mean they madeit mostly sexual with Scars Guard and at
Scars the Guard Pean, which Ithink Shanty leaned right if I remember correctly,
I think. But yeah, AndI think it's interesting to think about
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the differences of culture. I wouldsay that it's actually maybe not so much
a difference in like Australian and Americanculture per se, so much as it
is a difference in TV culture.Like it's Yeah, we talked about kind
of the last time about how thingsare sexualized and like that's and visual ches
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literature. Well, yeah, howdo something that's you know, a visual
component to just works. Well,it's it's very easy to visually show physical
abuse, like it doesn't have toturn sexual, but I think and that's
where I had said in a previousepisode that like, for me, that
was where I was like a littlebit iffy on it, Like I didn't
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like that that the show was sortof making it like a little bit sexy
slash a little bit abusive, andthen tipping this failed more and more abusive.
I just felt like the when it'snot really clear like if it's supposed
to be sexy or not, Ithink that for a certain audience they could
confuse the two. Yeah, Iknow, And I think Amanda and I
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had argued at that point that itwasn't that they were trying to make it
sexy in our minds, it wasthey were trying to show how when you're
in that situation sometimes the lines areso blurred that you don't know the difference.
And we kind of the way thatCeleste was figuring it out that more
and more that it was it wasnot their sex life, so to speak,
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It was more you know, abusethat was was, you know,
and it just kind of it wasclouded for her. And that's kind of
how I think that that's very reallife where it's not a cut and dry
thing and we were almost seeing itthrough her lens. Absolutely, yeah,
Whereas I think as the show progressed, you know, we whereas in the
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book when I was when you readthe book, you were reading the book
from almost a narrative perspective, whereyou're seeing it mostly from a certain abusive
perspective the entire time, whereas inthe TV show you really are seeing it
from the character's perspectives, whereas it'snot that way. In the book.
You're seeing it from a pretty outwardlens the whole time, where you know
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it is a mystery, but youyou really aren't delving too deep into the
fact that, like Celeste is theone who like you, you think like,
oh, okay, maybe maybe heis an okay person, maybe he
is just like that's just how theyhave sex. I think that that's the
psychology of an abuse victim. Yeah, don't. It doesn't stir always,
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and even abuser doesn't always start outas straight up being punched because you disagree
in a fight, like you know, or you didn't do the dishes the
right way or whatever. It is, like it's sometimes it is it is
something that starts and then it escalates, like you know, it's that's kind
of very real life. That's veryrealistic to me. Just and I wasn't
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one hundred percent sure because of howthey were doing it that they were going
to follow what the book had ohwith the like I even just like from
the from the get go, becauseof the way that Celeste and and her
husband were were acting I and howsexualized it was and how you know,
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like the abuse was being portrayed.I wasn't sure that they were following the
book like word for word. Yeah, you know, I was like,
maybe they're just taking this as likea guideline and they're creating a whole new
story. Yeah. And that's areally interesting point because it's like when you're
adapting something from a book, andI mean I knew nothing about it going
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into it, but I would imagine, I mean, the book probably had
enough of a following that they decidedto make a show out of it that
like there is something to be saidabout how can we make the story exciting
indifference that someone who read the bookisn't bored? Yeah, yeah, how
can we tease everybody? So it'slike that that's an interesting, interesting probably
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that the directors and the show creatorsthought about when they were building the story
and they were building the style inwhich they were going to shoot it.
Yeah, and from what my sistershave said and they both read the book,
is that they were in I thinkMandy said this too, that they
were all in suspense while watching thatfinal scene, because even though you know
what's going to happen, it's slightlydifferent. It's, you know, just
different enough that you don't know forsure what's going to happen. And I
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was convinced that it was gonna beBonnie. I I up until the final
scene, I didn't think it wasgonna I wasn't sure it was gonna be
Bonnie, and I wasn't sure thatit was Alexander Scartscart was gonna die,
Like I wasn't sure. Story Andas a storyteller and as a story is
adapting someone else's story, that's whatyou want to do. That like someone
who knows what's happening, it's stilllike, oh, well, maybe that's
(15:31):
not what's going to happen, Likeyeah, that's hitting, that's hitting the
ball out of the park. Fromlike a story, I was like wacky
and like I was like, maybeCelesti, it's gonna die I was like,
oh crap, this would be crazyif she died, Like I would
be pissed, Like I was gonnabe furious, and like it was crazy.
But I mean overall, I waslike on pins and needles the whole
(15:52):
time I was dying. It wasprobably one of the best things I've seen
in a long time. Um,And I think that it had a really
yeah, and I think that ithad a really solid whether it be the
message that you felt was appropriate,it had a message, which I think
isn't always the case. And Ithink that it said something, you know,
(16:15):
whether that was something that you agreedwith or not. It definitely had
a point of view, which sometimesisn't always the case with these HBO shows.
I think you're right, Shandy whenyou say, like it can be
overly sexualized, and I mean thatcan be the case with HBO stuff,
and I think that, like,I think that they found a way to
make it a little bit more ofa statement than it could have been,
(16:38):
well right, And I mean likeI think like when I think of HBO,
like, I mean, the biggestexample that comes to mind is of
course Game of Thrones, where theyreally should I love Game of Thrones,
but they really shop the bed ona couple of different times. With the
way that they use rape in thatshow. Yeah, unnecessary rape, you
(16:59):
know, as as like you know, as like a as like a as
some as like a male's plot pointa lot of times. But um,
but that being honestly one of thereasons why I just can't yeah no to
further the story about some dude they'regonna they're gonna rape a woman. But
hey, Amanda College, I meanthat being said, like sorry, I
(17:23):
just started playing the next phone calledaccident. Oh no, I was just
I was just gonna say that,like I had that one caveat and I
had like that's like the one thingthat's like kind of in my mind.
But overall, I agree with youAngela, like there's definitely a really strong
message and I think that overall it'sa success. And I really really liked
the show, So I'm not I'mnot, like, you know, super
(17:44):
complaining about it. I just thinkthat that's it's something to where that's it,
like, you know, and Iwould agree with you if we didn't
see Celeste, the person that wasexperiencing it, realized that it was not
okay, it was not not sexy. It was not her sexually almost like
yeah, it almost like looks backon her. So I think I remember
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that. What I think. Ithink it's almost for me, it's almost
like a more of like a readerresponse, like kind of lens that I'm
seeing it through where I'm where I'mrealizing that so much of the population is
so stupid that like, yeah,get that. No, you're right.
I mean it's true because I sawa lot of response to it, especially
after the airing of the finale,where people were like I can't believe that,
(18:26):
like he was the one who waslike doing it and people still don't
realize that, like he was theone who raped Shaley Wooley's character, like
it, Like it drives me insanethat like he's the one who is the
father of Ziggy, like that thatdoes cres the people what I didn't even
(18:47):
know? How could you not know? The actor was so good? I
know, like that thing they literallyshowed us that he was the person she
held a gun to him in herI know. But like when even when
even when Shalley it looks at NicoleKidling, that's a kid, and liked
they have that moment like those twoshould get all the awards, all the
oly I got there, I satthere watching and I was like, that's
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why these caliber actors wanted to dothis show. Yeah, for that scene.
Yeah, that's like acting like lookat me, go like look at
Like they look at each other andthey have like a moment where it's just
like everything becomes clear and it's justlike their entire worlds fall apart and you're
just like I was just like broken, and I was like, no,
(19:36):
I've watched I told you, Iwatched that scene like fifteen times in a
row. Like I just it's soamazing, so good. All the fields,
all the all the chills, allthe awards, all the fields.
Yeah seriously. Um, all right, so we have a voicemail from Desire,
So let's see what Desire can saythat we're going to argue about in
a second. Bring it. Hey, Amanda, Colleen, and Shandy,
(20:06):
this is does. Um. Iwas just calling to talk about Big Little
Eyes. Um. I went aheadand watched it because you know, everybody
was saying it was really good.It didn't interest me at first, because
yeah, I'm not really into likemurder mysteries and things like that. But
as I give it a try becausegetting such good reviews from everybody. So
(20:30):
I watched it and I really enjoyedit. I could not stop watching each
episode I finished. I was like, Oh, I just want to watch
the next episode. Um. Ofcourse I didn't have time to do this,
you know, watch all the episodesin a row, but I would
have if I had the time.It was it was great. Um.
First of all, being somebody whohas lived most of their adult life below
(20:52):
the poverty line, there's no wayin hell Jane can afford that little house
on a part time um salary asa single mother. I have been a
single mother and I have not beenable to afford a house that expensive on
I part time salary. I've alwayshad to work full time to afford to
raise my children on my own,and even then it was really tight.
(21:15):
So that was bullshit. But Iwas able to forgive it because it's TV.
And then I, you know,I going into this show at the
beginning, I was like, Ah, these are all those mothers that I
can't stand in real life, theseperfect little well to do moms. They're
just really annoying. I have nothingin common with them. I don't identify
(21:37):
with them at all. I don'tlike them. I don't get along with
them. I just I don't likebeing around them. But you shouldn't.
I guess judge a book by itscover, because they were actually much deeper
characters than that, and it wasyou were able to see that they had
they had problems just like anybody else. In fact, I was able to
(21:57):
identify with most of those characters.In the end, Um, you know,
I just Ranata and her ups beingupset about her daughter getting bullied,
because there's nothing worse than your childbeing hurt and not being able to do
anything about it. I think anyparent can identify with that. And then
Madeline and her um her, uh, she's getting upset about her children getting
(22:23):
older and and moving on and hernot you know, just being that mother.
What else was she? And Icould definitely identify with that. Once,
you know, my children were gettingolder, I was like, oh
my god, my children are leavingme. What what else do I have?
Nothing? Um? But of coursenow I have Astrid, so I
can be a mother for another eighteenyears. So that's nice. Um.
(22:48):
But it was it was really compelling. Um. And at first I'm gonna
do a little spoilers here, butat first, I didn't know if I
liked the fact that Perry was theperson who had raped Jane. But then
when I thought about it a littlebit, and I was like, yeah,
I kind of I kind of likethat because he was an awful person,
(23:10):
and you know, it just itwas very coincidental, of course,
because you know, of course shehappened to moved to this place where he
was there, and it's like,well, how did she not recognize him
before that? But she never evenmet him until that moment. I'm guessing
I don't remember seeing them interact orbe around each other before that, so
I guess that did work. Butyeah, I do kind of like it
(23:33):
because it just showed that, youknow, he was just a truly awful
person, even though they tried tomake him semi sympathetic a little bit,
I think, but uh, yeah, so I kind of like that.
And and the fact that it wasBonnie that did it, I had no
problem with that. I thought thatwas that was interesting. It was definitely
(23:56):
what you were not expecting. Andthe fact that these and mothers could come
together at the end in spite oftheir differences and their feelings, because they
went through this together and they were, you know, stronger for going through
this together, and they were ableto bond was really great. So I
(24:19):
really really enjoyed it. I'm tryingto get my husband to watch it.
Excuse me. He keeps saying,Okay, i'll start it, I'll start
it. I don't think he thinkshe's gonna like it, but I think
he's gonna love it, so I'lltry and get him to watch it.
Anyways, just wanted to tell youthanks for recommending it and thanks for putting
that the weeks spoiler warning when youguys talked about it, because I did
(24:44):
think I might want to watch it, and I didn't want to spoil myself
if I did, and I'm gladI didn't because it was well worth not
knowing what was happening, and itwas nice to be able to go back
to the podcast and listen to youguys talk about it after I was done
watching it. So anyways, loveyou guys. Bye. See. I'm
(25:06):
the greatest for my spoiler warning.But it's really funny how Shandy, Angela
and I have all been like andthen we tried to get our husbands to
watch it, so we watched it. So did Desiree well that's true.
And yeah, and Daniel got intoit too, just because like we I
started watching it, and then hewould sort of be in the room and
be like do you mind if Iwatched and be like, okay, that's
(25:29):
cool, and then by the endhe's like, do you want to watch
Big Little What? Yeah? Oh, but I have the sample of popcorn
eat the popcorn, yes, andthe fritos and the fridos. Don't we
know it? Thank you for allthat days. That was awesome. Yeah,
(25:49):
that was like a super succinct likesynopsis of the entire Yeah. And
it was kind of funny that shetalked about everything that we just talked about
and we hadn't even heard her voicemailfirst, right, Yeah, and I
like you even mentioned the whole thingabout Perry and not really knowing that he
was going to be the person andthat it was going to be him and
(26:11):
that she wasn't sure, and thenand that she may not have met him
before. She definitely didn't, Yeah, she definitely didn't. And then I
love that she mentions that she definitelycouldn't afford that kind of a house,
because that is for sure accurate andwe haven't really brought that up a ton
so the only yeah, yeah,it's not as somebody who lives in Monterey
(26:33):
myself, Like I can't say that. It's not even just affording that house
in wherever, USA, like affordinga house in monterri No, No,
absolutely not in that neighborhood. Nope. But I mean just like does like
does she go by Yeah, shegoes by days. Okay, well you
(26:55):
know she's does to you now kindof like how I definitely called Angela Angie
a whole bunch of times this weekend. But to be fair, that's because
when I talk to Mike, herefers to you as Angie sometimes once like
but here's the thing, like Idon't let people call me that, and
like for some reason Mike called meAndrew like a few times and now it's
like I'm sorry once I was soberthe second By the second night, I
(27:18):
you know, I think Jay waslike I don't think she likes that,
and I was like, I don'tcare. You don't call me that.
It's like my parents call me atsometimes, so cool, like I prefer
as you know, it's just likenot like my nickname. So like if
people call me and I may Imay just not respond so like, but
(27:41):
I'm not a rudeness, it's justbecause that's not normally you call me that,
so it just may not know you'recalling me, right, Hi,
Angela may Randy. I mean hedidn't meet me, so it's better.
(28:07):
But I also wonder, like ifyou did it in any order, if
the third one was always going tobe like, mom, I'm done,
anybody else hello too. I havebeen stalking you, Shandy since you've been
training for the marathon. And likeI did wonder if Montere was the Montere
of Big Little Eyes, but Ididn't want to ask in case it wasn't.
(28:29):
It is butter Indiana, so likeno, like I knew it was
was like a real place. Sookay, when where they're driving all the
time, that's like you're that's whereyou ran, That's where I ran the
marathon and sir, yeah, Sothey don't actually live because if they lived
(28:49):
there, their kids would not goto school in Monterey, which, apparently,
according to the show, has theseamazing public schools, which whichever can't
be true. But I don't normal. Yeah, I think it is normal,
but I don't actually know because theydon't work in Also, the soundtrack
when they're driving. Oh god,the soundtrack of everything that show is thetrack
(29:11):
you actually you can like, Idon't like to Spotify or whatever, but
they didn't. Yeah, so it'sit's somebody put together a soundtrack playlist on
Spotify. I'm really emotional about thisshow right now. Oh my god.
All right, let's hear it.Maggie has to say. Yeah, hey,
Amanda, Shandy and Colleen, thisis Maggie calling in. I literally
(29:34):
just closed the book of Thick LittleLives. I just finished the book.
It was good. I really likedit. Um, it has some differences
from from the show. I thinkI liked the show better, right,
which is weird, but a littleweird, I guess because usually the book
is better. So yeah, Ithink it was the show a little bit
better, but it was still areally good book. And so just wondering
(29:57):
if you guys have gotten farther whichthe bo and I don't know. I
missed you guys last week. We'lltake a week off. No, I
understand that you needed too. Andthen that was very sad not to be
in a rally. But I willbe there next year, um, come
hell or high water, I willbe there because I've missed two years in
a row, and it sucks.So I'm sad because but yeah, so
(30:18):
I can't wait to hear some moreabout it and can't wait to listen to
the show. I'll talk to youguys later. Bye bye, bye bye
bye bye. Um next year,next year, everybody and Candy will be
there too. I think next yearwe want to kind of time it with
UM West World. So hopefully,right, yeah, hopefully it was hopefully
(30:45):
has a normal student schedule and likeproduces something content wise. Yeah, my
guests, and this is just youknow, Jay and I were talking about
this. Our guess is that theywill probably take over because Leftovers took over
a Game of Thrones normal spot,so we think that they'll take over that
same that same time slot that ifthey production wise can get back on track.
(31:07):
That's I don't know. You guysmight even if you were afraid of
all of us this time, youmight have to come down next year.
We were not cool. I wasnot I was sort of a zombie for
the first day and a half.But then I got better cool. Then
I got actually once I had mybelongings with me again, once I had
clothing actually few cases, well,two tier. We true we missed this
(31:34):
on the last episode that we didfor Joanne. Just to follow up with
her email, she said she hada great time at the annual get together
and Raleigh, I want to givea shout out to Amanda for winning Cards
against Humanity and note that she wonby playing the card strong female Characters and
because I picked that card without knowingit was hers, because obviously the broadcast
tie in as the winner of thathand, woo whoo. But it's all
(31:59):
because did you actually did You hadlike a lot of really like awesome luck
with that the Miley Cyrus card,which like so perfect. Then you had
the strong characters to be fair,the card down was like Hannah Montana's new
movie, Yeah, something like She'sworried about what? Yeah, yeah,
(32:22):
so you just was it tied inso perfectly, and then um, you
had the strong female characters that Joannehappened to pick. And then the very
last one was the one that Idid, right and you did. My
first win was yours, the patriarchyone. No no, no, no,
no, the one that the onethat we finished on me, and
(32:42):
it was Who's my worst enemy?Right maybe something like that, And you
picked The first one I won wasyours. Oh I got you two too?
Yeah, And I did you pickedDaniel or Daniel picked you or something?
Wasn't there life some collusion going onand she picked one of mine?
I pick tiss okay, Man,I don't know. I understood man.
It really well, like super well, I really like. It's always one
(33:07):
of those games where like I alwaysfeel like I'm really clever and I'm really
funny, and I put down onesand I'm like I'm gonna win, and
I never win. So I'm like, ah, I just needed to find
my audience, and I found myaudience becausound me. You get my humor,
you get my wits, and Iloved it. Sad sad dragons,
sad sad, fat dragon with nofriends with friends, That's what I felt
(33:30):
like. I always felt like thesad fat dragon with no friends. Now
you've got all your friends, andnow I have skinny, happy dragon.
So now the dragons on the treadmillget in shape, and he has a
lot of friends. And you knowthere maybe some like rocky music playing in
the background. It's like chug inthe raw eggs. Oh my god.
(33:53):
All right, on that note,anybody else have anything to say for the
big little lies top. Otherwise we'regoing to call it a night. I'll
call it a day, a nightor whatever. You're listening to this for
this portion of the discussion, andwe can always pick it back up whenever
it gives more feedback. It's agreat show. You should watch it if
you haven't. And it's a greatbook. You should read it if you
(34:15):
have it. Okay, good,because it seems like we've had a couple
of people who have said that theypreferred this show. And I finally got
the book from the library. Iwas like, still, you know,
okay, I was on the waitinglist. I got the large print was
the one that became available first,So I have the book for like,
yeah, that was someone suggestion.I think there was Maggie's suggestions. Oh
(34:36):
yeah, I'm yeah, I'm allabout the large print. It's your eyes.
Ah yeah, there's that too.Um okay. So I was like
I got the book and then wehad all this feedback about how the show
was better, and I was like, I have a stack of books to
read, like do I want towhat if everyone's saying that, no,
the show is just different. It'sjust more like enriching character wise. But
(34:59):
the book is a really good mystery, really good and like fun story to
read. Cool, you'll just geta lot more like character. Yeah,
like development with the TV show,but that's more on the actor's part,
that's not. Yeah. So it'sstill a really good book though. And
(35:19):
I read the book what I foundout about the show, So it wasn't
like that. I like read thebook like a long time ago, Like
I heard the shows coming out andI was like, oh, it looks
like an interesting show. But beforethe show came out, I like picked
up the book and like read it. So cool. I think the next
thing that we're going to probably allcollectively check out is The Handmaiden's Tail.
Oh, it's I used to bespectacular the book. I'm scared. I
(35:45):
read the book twice in college.I loved it so much. Yeah,
we had to read it. Wehad it was part of a yeah in
high school. Yeah, it waslike my freshman year English class at Merris.
I didn't even know what I keptit and I read it again.
You didn't know there was a book, no, not until Amanda said,
ith my god, are you kidding? Yeah? I had no idea.
(36:05):
We had to read it in ninthgrade English class. It was like a
major like project. Yeah, wenever, we never, It was never
assigned to me, and I've neverread it. Yeah. Oh actually I
take it back. I read itsophomore year because I took a dual English
English history class where we read allliterature that was based on history and time
travel and we would like talk aboutit like what this was part of,
(36:29):
Like like why that person envisioned thefuture? They did? It was part
of like the nineteen eighty four Likeyeah, yeah, so we read The
Headman's Tale. We read in nineteeneighty four. It was part of like
my like ninth grade English, likein high school, Time Machine, Brave
New World, like that whole likeenvisioning the future. But like what about
You? Probably a little too muchfor me to be reading in high school,
(36:51):
but yeah, that's where I readends. Yeah, because you take
out what when you're a freshman you'rewhat fourteen fifteen? Yeah, Like that's
that's a little heavy. It washeavy, but yeah, which is why
I have yet to watch the tothe Hulu show. I think it need
to just buckle down and like whipit out in one day because it's going
to be a lot for me.I whip it out to the right or
(37:13):
the left, probably to the left. Okay, say I hear that everybody
else does. That's conformists out.Yes, we know, we know,
we're just kidding. I'll just pickout some like basketball shorts so we can
hang free. Oh my god,that's what the cool cats are doing.
Yes, Oh, Shanny. Imeant to ask you on the last episode
that we did forty one point zero, um, if you also, because
(37:37):
we were talking about underwear, ifyou also run commando like Mike. But
okay, actually interesting, No,okay, there we go. Question that
interesting. Do you guys remember whenI was talking about like giving myself like
a like an almost uti when Idid my twin mile run. Yeah,
(38:00):
And I was talking to my friendabout that and she's like, she's like,
are you sure it was because youwere dehydrated? Because she's like,
I don't think that's what it was. It was like, well I went
to the doctor for that once andlike that, like I was really thirsty,
Like I don't know, that's kindof what they said. And she
was like, okay, like whatunderwear were you wearing? Probably more it
(38:21):
was more having to do with like, you know, like just stop like
ventilation. Yeah, And I waslike, shit, well underwear was I
wearing? I was wearing cotton underwear. There you go like, screw the
cotton underwear. Sorry, but thatdoes not you know, whisk away moisture.
And so anyway, She's like,no, you should you should run.
(38:43):
You know how they have like shortshave running shorts have like a built
in thing. And I was like, yeah, even when well I never
wear shorts really, but even whenI did, I would still wear underwear
because it just feels weird to justhave that weird thing. But I'm gonna
try, all right. So onthat note, anybody has any um um.
If you guys have anything else tocontribute to our Big Little Lies discussion,
(39:07):
please give us a call at threethrough one two seven six two three
seven three, or you can emailus the broadcasters three at gmail dot com.
You can also join the Facebook group, Facebook dot com, slash group,
slash ja and jack group and commenton the episode thread there special thanks
to the patrons. Again, beforeI do anything else, let me thank
Molly the Millennial Tack from Tokyo andk Kart Rigner. Thank you guys so
(39:30):
much you'd like to become patron,you can do so by going to Patreon
dot com slash Ja and Jack orbecause we understand that not everybody can do
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(39:51):
and that helps us out as well. All right, on that note,
guys, thanks for listening. I'mColleen, I'm Amanda, I'm Shandy,
I'm Angela. Good night by nexttime
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