Broad Little Lies Ep. 1.2: "Tell-Tale Hearts"

The Broadcast's Amanda, Shandy, and Colleen discuss HBO's "Big Little Lies," season 2, episode 2, "Tell-Tale Hearts."

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(00:50):
Holdo and welcome to Broad Little Eyeswith Amanda, Shandy and Colleen. My
name is Colleen. My name isAmanda, and I'm Shandy. Welcome everybody
to the show. We are hereto talk about season two, episode two
of Big Little Lies called Tell TaleHearts. How's it going, everybody?
Lovely? Good, awesome? Whatdid everybody think about the episode? I

(01:12):
loved it. It was very niceto talk about it. Yeah, it
was. It was a lot.I liked it a lot better than episode
one, for sure. I feellike it started to lay some groundwork for
actual stories and like things that aregoing to happen in the season. Oh
yeah. So that was fun definitely, And it was also just like interesting

(01:34):
to continue to go a little bitdeeper into everyone's reaction and to see sort
of like the fallout and just howeveryone's dealing with the fact that, like
there was this really trotic thing lastseason and I just I don't know.
Also, like some of the relationshipsbetween some of the characters, Like I
just really really loved and we sawthese close relationships between certain women last season,

(01:57):
but I just loved this season.Now It's like, okay, so
there are those close relationships that wereestablished, but like we're also creating like
new close relationships, either because oftrauma or because of just like craziness or
just for whatever reason. But it'sreally exciting to see some of those characters
interact who didn't necessarily interact a tonlast season. And I'm loving it.

(02:22):
Yes, yeah, I for youknow, anybody who said last week's episode
was a bit slow or set up, This episode was intense and pretty much
took off running. And I don'tknow if you guys noticed, but there
was like a use of waves tokind of separate some of the big emotional
moments, and I feel like thatwas a perfect like bit of symbolism for

(02:46):
what this episode was, is thatit kind of came in and everybody's world
just got like snashed up against therocks, like the waves. Yeah.
No, Colleen's interesting you bring thatup because I had a note about water
and oceans and stuff as well,and I think at the moment it feels
a little crackpot, but I feellike, um, water and the ocean

(03:13):
and the aquarium is going to playinto some big thing at the end of
this season. And because I noticedand it really sort of crystallized for me,
the whole visions thing with the water. But then it made me realize
the whole new opening sequence, it'sall fish, it's all ocean. It's

(03:34):
all the things that were clips fromthe gallah that was in the show open
of season one, it's now allbeen replaced by water. Very interesting.
Like I was thinking about the aquariumand like I was thinking about how they
had said that in season two theywanted to film more locally because they filmed

(03:55):
obviously a bit locally in season one, but they wanted to do more of
that. Yeah, and so thewhole fact that like Jane works that they
acquire we talked a little bit aboutlast week, which like whatever like job
skills aside. For me, thatwas like a way that they're like very
much integrating the Monterey community into theseries. But like you're saying, maybe
there's actually more to it than that, even though you just talked about Amanda.

(04:20):
Like for me, that was like, oh, they're like they're like
this is a very MONTERI scene.I mean, I know there are aquariums
everywhere, but like the Monterey BayAquarium is really world renowned and like Jane
works there and whatever, so it'slike sort of a symbol for Monterey.
But but I think that you guysare correct that maybe it's maybe it's more
than than just that, but it'svery conveniently also just a local symbol.

(04:43):
So like, yeah, maybe,like I I didn't pick up on it
like that, and so maybe youraverage viewer doesn't pick up on it like
that. Maybe it will come comeinto something more later. It's really interesting
I'm calling it now. I feellike there's gonna be some sort of big
scene that happens towards the end ofthe season with the aquarium. I agree
they you know, they like didfilm at the aquarium straight up, and

(05:08):
so that's an interesting thing because likethey could have still had Jane working at
the aquarium and have her where theaquarium, you know, a polo and
everything, and not have to actuallyfilm that at the aquarium. But I
do remember them talking about how theyclosed down the aquarium for a day or
however long it was and they didsee and they did yeah, they filmed
there. So it's like at thetime I was not like, whatever,

(05:30):
they're filming at the aquarium, Butlike you're saying, now, I'm like
starting to think, like, oh, maybe maybe you're right, Like maybe
there was more to that. Maybethere will be more consequential scenes than just
like you know, the sort ofbackdrop that could be anywhere. Right,
Well, it's going to be reallyI guess interesting to see if this theory
pans out, because I love itand I think that we're right Amanda and

(05:53):
we should just you know, playour bets. There we go, crackpot
Theorium calling it now well, I'mtotally team Amanda and Colleen right now.
Like Io. Before we move onto a little bit more in depth discussion,
I did want to point out thatwe have a new theme song and
awesome, Yes, thank you,so shout out to my husband Jay for

(06:16):
putting that together for us. Wedebuted it for the people that watch the
live episode of the broadcast the otherpodcast that we do last week after if
we stopped recording, we played itfor whoever was there, and I think
it was well received and I loveit, so thank you so much,
Jay, because it's awesome and welove it and we really appreciate it,

(06:38):
so yay, and hope everybody upthere likes to too. And then what
other announcement is we are putting onour feed which is in iTunes so please
go and subscribe to it so youdon't miss an episode and maybe if you're
there, to leave us a review. But we are now in iTunes.
Broad Little Eyes is the theme.The theme is the feed. Check us

(07:00):
out, and I guess we're everywherethat you can get podcasts because the feed
is just out there in general,so you can go subscribe there. And
we last last year, last year, sorry, last season, apparently I
can't speak last for first season one. We mentioned that we had done a
standalone episode of our other podcast thattalked about season one, and that is

(07:23):
also going to be on the feedas well. So if you want to
go back and listen to what wesaid about season one, it's your lucky
day. So you're sorry. Yeah, without further ado, now we can
get into some more in depth discussionof Big Little Eyes. Telltale Hearts named

(07:43):
four. I'm guessing it was namedfor the Edgar Allan Poe short story,
right like the Telltale Heart, Oh, because probably the Telltale Heart is,
according to Wikipedia, a story onwhich an unnamed narrator who endeavored to commit
convince the reader of the narrator's sanitywhile simultaneously describing a murder that the narrator

(08:07):
committed, Oh wow, and isn'tthat with like the heartbeat from under the
floor. Is that telltale heart?Yes? Or is at the raven no
that telltale heart? Duh? Yes, you're right, Amanda. Yes,
and he keeps great English class.It's all coming back to me now,
yeah, and he's According to Wikipedia, the old man with whom the narrator

(08:28):
lives has a clouded, pale blue, vulture like eye, which distresses a
narrator so much that they plot tomurder the old man, despite also insisting
that they love the old man.The narrator insists their careful precision in committing
the murder proves that the narrator cannotpossibly be insane. So for seven nights,
a narrator opens the door of theold man's room in order to shine

(08:48):
a sliver of light onto the evileye. However, the old man's vulture
eye is always closed, making itimpossible to do the work. On the
eighth night, the old man awakensafter the narrator's hands, lips, and
makes a noise, interrupting the narrator'snightly ritual. That the narrator does not
draw back, and after some timedecides to open the lantern, a single

(09:09):
ray of light shines out and landsprecisely on the evil eye. Hearing the
old man's heart beating loudly and dangerouslyfast from terror, the narrative decides to
strike, jumping out aloud, yelland smothering the old man with his with
his own bed. The narrator thendismembers the body, conceals the pieces out
of the floorboards, and in suesthe concealment of all signs of the crime.

(09:31):
Even so blah blah blah blah blah. Confident that no one will find
any evidence of the murder, thenarrator brings, Okay, here's probably where
we're coming back in on the relevancehere. Confident that they will not find
any evidence of the murder, thenarrator brings chairs for them, and they
sit in the old man's room onthe very spot where the body is concealed

(09:52):
and suspect nothing. The narrator beginsto feel uncomfortable. That's where he hears
the heartbeat of the old man comingfrom the foor boards and breaks down and
confesses. So all I'm thinking,as you're saying that is right outside the
door, like going crazy, withme owing, Fiona is Fiona is Shandy's

(10:15):
cat for anybody who's playing along home, Wait, I'm sorry, is she
me owing? Or are you justhearing that? Well, Amanda, here's
a two from under the floor boards. Thank you. I'm trying to convince
you of it. So anyway,I think that the narrator, you know,

(10:39):
hearing it and telling them to tearup the floorboards to you know,
confessing is probably directly you know.It is like what Bonnie was saying at
the very end, where she goes, I wake up in a sweat at
night. I think that it's goingto get us. Uh, And you
know, Madeleine's like ever the perceptiveone, who who's going to get us?

(11:00):
And yeah, she goes the lieright, the what and the who.
It's like, yeah, listen,listen to the people listen. Um.
Side note though, like we havelearned, it's Madeline. Yes it
is not metal. Yes, matmade line. Um. That was a
fun little level of just the storythat I hadn't really picked up on that

(11:22):
Taja shared with us. It's fromtheir Instagram page, so I think it's
worth following the Big Little Eyes InstagramReese Witherspoon did a video about how it's
Madeline not mate line but renauted evenin season one, like refers to her
as made a line which is likejust a little like needling of like right,

(11:45):
oh yeah, like I know you, I know you kind of like
well enough because our daughters go toschool together. But I'm gonna mispronounce your
name right because it depends on purpose. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of
like the equivalent of Mariah carry sayingI don't know her about jo is my
favorite shade throwing on the of alltime exactly. I will say though,

(12:07):
on last episode we went kind ofback and forth and there was a question
of how to pronounce Madelon's name,and that made me feel much better because
it's like, okay, like wehave heard it both ways. We're not
crazy. Yes, Melon, MarthaMackenzie um name. So many literations,
Okay, so much name for sucha small person, I know, speaking

(12:30):
of okay, speaking of short people. We can start with that, or
we could talk about who I thinkwas the breakout star of this episode,
and that would be na A Cline. I mean that I'm not gonna not
be rich nat A Cline. Ohagain, episode, I'm not going to
not be rich. I love thatI was saying, I was talking about

(12:52):
this with a friend, um andthe first episode, I really feel like
the sort of like breakout quote waswhen Madaline is talking to her daughter and
says, I don't care about homelesspeople. Definitely, the sort of parallel
breakout quote from this is Nada sayingI am not not gonna be rich.

(13:16):
I'm not gonna not I feel likethat's one of those things that the writer
is like, I'm gonna write thisbecause I know I have the most amazing
actresses and they're just gonna make thisline sing, not even that I can't.
I honestly, it's a toss upfor me between that line that we're
not ahead and when she's driving awaywith her middle finger out the sun roof.

(13:41):
Somebody give the woman a moment.I had to go back and rewatch
because I couldn't see like what itwas. I was like, is that
like a cop on the top ofthe cars? No, that was it's
the bird. Oh that was amazing. And I was going to save this

(14:01):
for the like the local section,but I'll just say it now because it's
not like really uno as Nada's drivingdown that street, and then that amazing
scene. I'm watching with my frontAsia and we're like, is that like
girl that looks like, oh yeah, that's general Jim Moore Like I don't
know if it's a boulevard and avenueor whatever, but we're like, oh
yeah, like we know that street. You know exactly where are you're driving.

(14:24):
That's awesome like that, Oh yeah, like we've told it. Yeah.
It's kind of like not sure whyshe was on that sidetime, just
gonna say, right, it's avery different terrain from what we normally see
for this show, but it workedso perfectly, Like so helped set the
scene so well, right, whichis definitely why there whoever did they're like
scouting, was like, okay,this this part of the community doesn't really

(14:48):
fit into the super rich white partof the community, but we're just gonna
use the street because it looks reallygood. Yeah, it did look really
good. But now you know howa man and I feel felt watching thirty
Rock and ignizing like all of thelocal places that they had filmed. That's
so cool. Yep. I hadjust never really like experienced that that kind

(15:09):
of thing before, and it's reallyfun. Imagine how great it's going to
be when you see yourself. Ohmy gosh, I can't wait. I
can't wait, and I will justleave my predictions for the locals thing.
Yes, yes, all right,so I guess we've gone down this for
not a route, so let's gofor it. She starts out the episode

(15:31):
and like she's on top of theworld. Her effing publicist has gotten her
the cover spot, and you know, her husband's not being a weirdo.
And then that quickly changes because hegets arrested for securities, fraud, etc.
Etc. And we also see ashe's getting hauled away that Detective Quinlin

(15:52):
has been following or at least passesby. We also see Detective Quinlin a
little bit later when she drives behindBonnie and freaks her out. So do
we think that there's anything to thisquint Detective Quinlin theory that Ronada has,
that she's following them around and tippingthem off to make their lives more miserable?

(16:14):
Is she the beating heart? Ithink that's at least what they want
us to believe. That's gonna saynow that you've said that, Yeah,
I mean, I'm still wondering what'sgoing on with the that FRENCHI pair,
French pair because they had Ronada hasa French A pair. Oh that's right.
And she mentioned her. She mentionedher in the first episode when she
was like calling her yeah and shewas arriving, and so that was the

(16:37):
other person. I was like,is she I don't know, but she
hasn't had any screen time yet.No, right, it's she's just been
a mention. Yeah, she's justbeen a mention. But she we met
her last season. Um, sothat was one thing that stuck out to
me. But I still don't haveto say, like I love this whole
Ranada family drama, like oh yeah, you guys got yourselves into some white

(17:03):
color, like super major stuff.And even for that, it was like,
so okay, he's getting arrested bythe FBI. And then and this
is maybe a question for our DPspecialist, like because Tasian are like the
building, I was like, whereis that? It was like that's not
a monor, right, but likeif the FBI arrest you, like where
do you go? Do you goto the capitol? Like is he in
Sacramento? Is he in San Franciscobecause that's the biggest, the nearest,

(17:27):
big city, Like I don't know, like, what, how does the
court work when you're like when it'sthe FBI. Well, I think it
probably would depend. And this isjust a guess here is if there's not
a local federal outpost of like theFBI, perhaps they go to the state
Bureau of Investigation, like and theykind of give them some room. I

(17:48):
don't know where he would have beentaken. My guess is I mean,
obviously a he was appearing before federalcourt, right, I believe it was,
I would have had so he probablywent to whatever circuit court was like
in his jurisdiction. Right, that'sgoing to be like San Francisco, right,

(18:10):
probably. I mean maybe that's whythey were implying that they were driving
back, you know, in themiddle of nowhere, that they had a
little and if they were driving back, then General Jim Moore, that would
be that would actually make sense thatthey were driving there. Yeah, though
I also am granted, I knownothing about white collar crime, but I

(18:30):
do watch Orange is the New Black, and when you have the telephones that's
max Is that where they put thewhite collar criminals? Do they put them
in maximum security? Well, they'retalking about millions of dollars, right,
right, and that's a lot ofmoney. Well, if anybody knows the
answer to this, please let usknow if send us an email the broadcasters

(18:53):
three. That's the letter three,the number three for the letter you know,
would whatever. Yeah, they theArabic uh lettering at gmail dot com.
We uh yeah, before we evengo down this rabbit hole and then

(19:15):
get ourselves in trouble for sound forgiving like total wrong information, Let's let
the experts tell us. So anyway, Ronata, she's having a bad day,
and I kind of love that herhusband was trying to soften the blow
and be like Amabella's money can't betouched, and she's like, I'm still

(19:36):
gonna be rich. Damn it,I will not be rich. Well did
we know this about Ronada's character,that she like bootstraps, like was poor
as as a kid. We knowthis before this episode? Honestly it was
It didn't seem surprising to me,But I mean I could be getting my

(20:00):
you know, powerful characters mixed upin right, It like made sense to
the character. Right, Did weknow this before and I just wasn't paying
attention or have forgotten? I don'tthink so. Um. My other question,
though, is like, Okay,So I get that they're married and
it's like shared money, but like, doesn't she have like a high like

(20:21):
it's gonna be like a high paying, high powered career, Like couldn't she
kind of like Okay, whatever moneythey have, like their assets are going
to be seased now, but likemaybe she could start over super comfortably still,
right, I don't know how richpeople's money works. Yeah, I
just know that Laurie Laplin's probably goingto jail, so right, you know,

(20:45):
I don't know how pre nubs factorin, Yeah, but I do
know that rich people money usually stayssomewhat rich. Yeah, yeah, Like
I can understand that maybe he willgo to jail and all of her assets,
including her house, in her carand whatever, will be seized.
But even when she starts back atzero, she still has her job,

(21:06):
right, divorces at this point,Like, isn't she going to divorce at
least on paper? Right? Itdoesn't matter because she does. Is the
bad press of your husband in lockup? Does that hurt her career too?
Right? Like the notoriety and theinfamy of it, right, I
mean, what is her career?She's a she's the CEO of she's the
CEO of something big. I alwaysassume that she was the CEO of like

(21:30):
a Facebook kind of show, tryingto show a Facebook kind of kind of
delio kind of delio. Yeah,I feel like they kind of kept it
big. So it's just like,you know, she's just powerful thinking bad.
Yeah. That was hilarious though,And I do have to like think
back to last episode when I can'tremember who it was, said like,

(21:51):
I hope that Ranada has something bigto do this season. Yes, love
me dirt. Amanda said that becauseJay actually said the exact same thing to
me. He was like, wedidn't Amanda say last week that she was
hoping for more Renata. She gavethem the quote of the opposite. She

(22:14):
sure did both of them. Butanyway, okay, so yeah, I
think it's probably gonna be tough tofrom the public relations standpoint versus the money
standpoint. And I don't know,she might have feelings for him somewhere in
their standpoint, so about what todo. She couldn't totally leave him on
the side of the road. Shewent back. She did a quick U

(22:34):
turn, which is legal in thestate of California. Was very nice.
Nice. So anyway, yeah,maybe not on a highway. Although it's
not a highway, it's just avery wide right. That was renata storyline.
Ironically, I think she was theonly person whose storyline did not involve
her child in some form, becausethen we had well head over to Celeste.

(22:56):
Right, Celeste does the be insleep driving? Oh what a way
to start an episode. Humh that? Oh my god? Yes, it
was Um what about them? Whatwere those flashbacks? So? Okay,
I think the flashbacks is her.It's representing her struggling where she was had
that scene with a therapist, andthe therapist is telling her like, you

(23:18):
need to let go of the goodparts of your marriage because that's not who
your husband was. I'm sorry,let me okay, sorry. Not the
flashbacks with her and Parry. Theflashbacks with the tattooed man that she seems
to be fucking in a car.Oh, I just assumed that was pos
happening. There were tattoos happening.Tasia was all over this. I just
want to give credit work credits duealso, ps, Tasia, please write

(23:41):
into the podcast so though that youcan you know, I'm pretty sure the
details. I'm pretty sure that itwas Perry because I watched it twice and
did a lot of pausing to takenotes, and I didn't didn't never never.
Maybe he was rosy wearing gloves.Baby. I would need to rewatch

(24:02):
it. But there were definitely tattoosgoing on, and I certainly can't imagine
Perry having tattoos. No, butI'm pretty sure it was a lot of
Parry tattoo. We've seen all ofPerry's front and all of Perry's back,
so we've seen, we've seen,we've got we've got full scars guards.
So yeah, I mean, we'vebeen seen a little bit below the belt.

(24:25):
It's just saying, but yes,anyway, all right, so I'm
gonna go off the assumption it wasParry. But if I'm wrong, I'm
wrong. Okay. Um, yeah, so celestis just really struggling. She's
got her mother in law who iscontinues to be a complete psychopath. Um,

(24:48):
the boys are struggling, they're strugglingat school, they're being more violent.
Um. The holy crap that seenin the therapist office, Um was
inten Yeah. And then again Iwas like, okay, like I question
her methods? Is this? Okay, I don't know. I am not
a therapist. I don't know ifit's okay, but like making your patient

(25:10):
relive trauma, I don't know.Well, there's certain I had to relive
it in future choices where it almostlooked like the therapist is like getting gratification
from I didn't pick outbursts. It'syeah, like the whole thing feels a
little. I didn't pick up onthat at all. I thought she wanted
her to confront it, so sherelive it, so she could confront it
and see it for what it was. It wasn't you know, it wasn't

(25:33):
like for play. It was itwas violence anything, right, And that's
why I get that to her.You know, picture your friend, what
would you do if it was yourfriend? Right? And I and I
do get that, but I justI've always felt a little uncomfortable about about
her methods, and I do.I think the other thing that maybe like
makes me double down on this isthat from the very beginning, I have

(25:56):
also felt like the therapist is veryjudgy and like I feel like they're us
aren't supposed to be, like theycan be judging in their head like they're
not supposed to right, Like yeah, yeah, no, I agree with
you, And it almost feels asthough because calling to your to your point,
these scenes do hit all the rightbeats and she she's doing the right

(26:22):
things, but just like the waythey're being done is a little weird.
So my thought is maybe like theymaybe don't have like a therapist consultant on
staff that is sort of helping tonuance those scenes and make them feel more
legit to what a actual therapy sessionor a couple's therapy session would would work

(26:42):
or how That's yeah, that's areally good point because it's like a very
specialized set of like behaviors and knowledgeand not just like something you can act.
Although like if for any of theacting, I'm sure they like,
you know, for the domestic abuse, I'm sure like Nicole Kidman like search
that and you know, so yeah, it seems like, yeah, maybe

(27:03):
maybe you're randomantis something like they justdidn't sort of connect her right, because
it always feels a little bit oftenit's like is it is it the actress?
Is it this the actual scene?Is it supposed to be that way?
Is it just the way I'm interpretingit. I'm not sure, but
I can sort of accept it andjust move on. But every time I'm
kind of like, I don't know, Okay. Well, Celeste goes way

(27:26):
beyond that though in this episode,because not only does her mother in law,
you know, remain awful the boys, she finds out that the boys
know that they have a brother,and that the boys have told Mary Louise
that they have a brother. Andthen Mary Louise wants to know, you

(27:48):
know what did she say something likewould you do me the grace or would
you be so gracious as to tellme his name? Or something like just
all around snotty. Just the factthat she like turned it on her herself,
like how dare you keep my grandmateme? I think that was the
line that like hit me the most, like m psychopathse what. Yeah,

(28:11):
Then she's got to tell the motherin law about the violence in her marriage,
who then in turn pretty much carriesa gas light her and it's like,
I don't believe you, Like,clearly he this was an affair and
not an a rapist. But shewas lying anyway because I'm sure she had
multiple partners and there was a wholelot going on there. And then by

(28:33):
the end of the episode, Celesqueand Jane are introducing the brothers to each
other. So I mean Celeste wentthrough a lot in this episode. Yeah,
she definitely did. And I thinklike what season one did so well
was to show domestic violence and maybea more sometimes nuanced and realistic lens,

(29:00):
where like you can see that Celesqueloves Perry despite the domestic abuse, and
I think that's often the situation islike it's very very complicated, and so
it's not just like this simple blackand white, big bad sort of.
I mean, obviously the domestic abusis bad, but like the reason,
you know, the question is alwayslike why did she stay? And there's

(29:21):
so many reasons that she would stay, financial, whatever, but like one
of them is also like well,I mean that's the person that you fell
in love with. So like it'svery very complicated, and I think that
what season two is doing really wellso far is showing sort of how victim
blaming happens and how even women participatein this, with the mother being like

(29:45):
just like you said, Colleen,like oh, well, she may have
had multiple partners and she may havebeen drugged and how did she even know
and blah blah blah, and it'slike no, I'm telling you that he
beat me and like Mary Louise isjust saying, oh, no, that
didn't happen Ryan, Like I understandthat she doesn't want to believe it because
it's her son, right, butlike that is for real, right,

(30:06):
and so she is believing her maleson over her you know, living surviving
female daughter in law who's telling herher lived experience and just being you know,
not right. And then let's noteven how the whole conversation ends where
she's pretty much blackmailing her like ifyou don't change your mind that it was

(30:26):
assault, like you know, she'slike you left that out, you left
that out, and oh you leftthat out too. Just yeah, I
was. I was kind of scaredof Mary Louise by the end. Yeah,
there's good reason for that, Ithink. Yeah, you know,
she's we've seen like she's gonna gotalk to the police, and she's gonna

(30:47):
go talk to that investigator. Andall I can think is that, you
know, like again, if thepolice actually has any sort of empathy and
sympathy for actual victims, like youunderstand again why certain things would be left
out, like when you're talking tothe police, like why like oh,
you were going to move out thatnight, like using that as an accusation.

(31:11):
Why did you leave that out?Well, maybe you didn't feel like
telling the police that your husband beatyou up, right, exactly right,
and not to mention the fact thathow is it? I mean, I
guess I could see why the policewould want to know that information, but
like, how is it relevant tohim slipping and accidentally falling? Well,
exactly essentially, like in the wakeof like you are just dealing with these

(31:33):
super complicated emotions of your you justsaw your husband, like whether you whatever
your feelings were about your husband,you just saw him fall to his death.
Right. So, but this iswhere the therapist could come back and
into play like and be very importantand that Cels did confide in her,
because the Mary Louise like very muchhad that like, well, why didn't

(31:56):
you call the police? And whydidn't you do this one you report it
and like of we know all thecomplicated reasons why she may him not have
done that, but at least shedoes have she does have the police,
and then she also has Madeline.Right, she did tell Yeah, you
know again the importance of like confidingin people if you can, right,

(32:16):
right, exactly, So let's pivotover to Jane and Ziggy where Jane's whole
world comes crashing down because all ofa sudden, you know, she finds
out that Ziggy knows who his fatheris, and now she's got to go
talk to him about it, andwe have that heartbreaking scene where he asks

(32:37):
her like about being salted, andshe's got to sit down and explain to
him what assaulted means and power toher that she was you know, honest
with him without brushing it off,because then we see Celeste is saying,
no, your daddy was a wonderful, beautiful man. I mean, at
some point they're going to grow upand realize that he wasn't unless you know,

(33:00):
yeah, no, and at somepoint they will. But like again,
it's like age appropriate, you knowwhat's age appropriate, and that's what
I's This is one of the thingsthat I loved about this episode that I
thought so well is that like it'ssuper super super complicated, this whole this
whole familiar situation and so like,you know, initially, um, like
I was also glad that Jane satdown and talked to Ziggy. I was

(33:22):
not expecting her to get into theassault thing and I wouldn't and I don't
think that she would have except thathe had already heard it, and so
at that point it's like, okay, well we have to correct what he
heard and understood. And at thatpoint, I'm sure she gave him you
know, some sort of as muchas as much as you can age appropriate
explanation for you know, what whatsalted meant. And so I think that's

(33:46):
definitely super important. Um, andshe like set clear boundaries about like like
who needs to have this information,et cetera. Then you see Celeste,
and that's another thing where it's like, well, you can't okay like this.
These kids, like their dad justdied and people are complex and like,
yes, he was a terrible likeabusive person, but he was also

(34:07):
their dad, and like they're likeseven years old, Like you can't be
telling them that he was a terribleperson who, you know, like right
through so much trauma. It's hardto pile on so much right, right,
And they have a right to rememberthe good times with him and then
when they're older, come to termswith right the really bad, dark parts

(34:29):
of him. They have their wholelife exactly to go to therapy and work
through those very complicated things that they'relittle seven eight year old minds like just
are not equipped to handle yet,which I find good. Oh. I
was just gonna say, like that'swhat I think that this episode did so
well, And just to see themat the end, all five of them

(34:49):
together, was just like, yes, like this is super messy and super
complicated, but yet like there's noreason why these two women can be friends
and like support each other and that'sso beautiful. And then like their kids
can also grow up as like sortof like different kinds of brothers. And
I just thought that was just reallyawesome to see. Yeah, no,

(35:13):
I agree. I just think thiswhole Oh sorry calling you go first?
All, Oh no, go ahead, good. Yeah, I just think
this was a really great lots ofgreat examples of motherhood and yeah, that's
what I wanted to bring up hard. You know, It's like Jane didn't
have a ton of ton to dothis episode, but the one scene she
did have was just so powered,Like as the viewer just sitting there thinking

(35:38):
like how do you explain assault toan eight year old? Like how do
you do that? And I thinkI really I really loved that that's where
they decided to end the scene andnot to show us the viewer, because
I think it's just too complicated thatI think it would have been too it's

(36:01):
too big to get right. SoI think Levia doing it that way.
And I'm sure they had all sortsof conversations in the background and in the
writer's room and with the you know, with the with I'm sure they consulted.
I'm sure they consulted child psychiatrists too. That like the best way to
approach something like that. I mean, especially when it's the kid's father,

(36:22):
like right, because finding where hecomes from, like right, like it
or not, that's like still halfof him in a way, like yeah,
naturally curious. Um. And Iwas just going to point out before
when we were talking about well,when Shannion was mentioning, um, just
the different ways that you talk tokids, I thought it was kind of

(36:44):
interesting that. I mean, clearlyMax and Josh are are troubled right now,
but it was interesting that Max,who seems to be the more I
guess one that acts out more,called her out on it. When she
said, you know, and we'reopen and honest family. He just goes,
yeah, I don't think we're thatkind of family. Yeah. I

(37:07):
thought that was a great that's callingout for help, I think, and
you know saying you know so Ijust yeah, you guys said it pretty
great. Yeah, But if weactually could circle back to the scene before
before that, when she picked themup from school, right where they're they're
in the classroom and the teachers like, you know, it's a safe space,
you can you can admit to everything. How how does this teacher how

(37:30):
did no one tell him what wasgoing on? Because literally he was not
expecting the reaction he got about likewell what if your dad dies? Like
that seemed to have caught him outof left field, and I'm sort of
like, why would my guests,why would you have that there? Like,
why would you let a teacher dosomething like that when they didn't know
that all this very serious trauma happened. That seems like a real miss Like

(37:52):
this was oversight for me. Thisis how I interpreted the scene. I
assumed that he did know, buthe'd never in a million years expected these
kids that never talked about it publiclyto respond like that. And really what
he was doing was having the bullyingdiscussion because you know, we're not to
scare the shit out of him.Last episode, you know, I kind

(38:14):
of I had the same reaction.I thought, like calling that like he
probably knew about it, but theyreally hadn't said anything, and I wasn't
even really thinking about the bullying.I was thinking that it was more like
he's laying this down and like safespace. Who he knows are in distress
ever, do want to come andtalk to him during recess or whatever,
that like he's there for them.That's kind of how I took it.

(38:36):
And that then when he was havingthe conversation with Celeste that it was like,
okay, so like just so youknow, yeah, that's kind of
did speak out. Yeah, that'skind of how I did. Would I
would wed to me right well,it just really felt like it could have
been done a little better, Likewas not clear to me. Okay,
I don't know. I didn't Ididn't have a problem with it. But

(39:00):
pivot over to Bonnie. Here,Bonnie, we got a lot more of
what she's thinking of right now.You know, Doug calls her mom,
who very much does not like him. We get Bonnie is not happy to
see her mother at all. Hermother is you know, very what's the

(39:22):
right word, Like she puts theshe's into the crystals and has talks about
having visions. There's reference to her, you know, potentially having a drinking
problem in the past. Bonnie's definitelynot happy to see her there, and
at one point her mom asked herwhat did you do? Or she said,

(39:42):
what have you done this time?She also mentions certain things to Bonnie
about where am I going here?Oh, I'm sorry. She talks about
how you're surrounded by people who didunderstand you, you like your walls.
She gets makes that comment to them, would you do this time? And

(40:04):
the way that they kind of leavethings is she goes up to Bonnie too.
She creepily sneaks into Bonnie's room withthe chicken bones and the crystals,
right or whatever it is, andand like does this blessing over her,
and then Bonnie you know, throwsit out and is like, I don't
want your your shit mom? Sorry. Yeah, And this is something where

(40:29):
I like I kind of have anissue with because and like, again,
this is not a novel thought.It's definitely been talked about in the first
season where we have this community that'slike super white and then we have like
the one person of color who isthe person who you know, ultimately kills
Perry, the one person who likeultimately sort of like lashes out. And

(40:52):
then we have the same person inseason two who's like, I don't know,
like her mother, you know,is like doing some sort of like
is it wicca? Is it likevoodoo? Is it? You know?
There's something like sort of a verymothering spirituality going on right and it's like,
I don't know. I was talkingabout this potatial right after the episode

(41:13):
again, right in and she wassaying, you know, she doesn't have
a problem with that because it sortof explains why Bonnie is like this free
spirit and she's into yoga and allthis stuff. And I'm like, yeah,
like I get that. But theproblem is again like when you have
a token black person in the TVshow and they're the one that is like

(41:34):
has all of these different things puton them. Like if there if it
was a more diverse TV show andthere were like more than one African American
person, then like it wouldn't reallyraise such suspicion. But when it's like,
oh, you just have the tokenone, and they're also going to
be the person who does the murder, and they're also going to be the
person whose family is like super intolike this really sort of different, you

(42:00):
know, kind of tradition. Itwas just for me, it was like
a little bit like, I don'tknow, it just it raised a few
You want to go on record assaying it made you uncomfortable. Yeah,
it was like, okay, Ican't you know, I noticed it.
That's that's valid. That's valid.And perhaps my whiteness is showing that I
didn't pick up on that on firstwatch. But hearing you say that that

(42:21):
I remember, I remember us.I believe we brought this up for season
one when we talked about it alittle bit um or I just read it,
you know, a lot of apai. I think we talked.
I think we did talk about it. Yeah yeah, but I think I
meant more specifically applying to like thecrystal and the like I did. Yeah.
Yeah. It's just like this isso out of left field that it's
like, okay, why is itthat, Like, Okay, now we

(42:42):
have the mother of the one blackcharacter, and um, it's unnecessary,
like you just didn't need it,Like she's still a free spirit without her
mom being See, I don't knowif she's a free spirit, because it
seems to me when her mom issaying, this isn't who you are,
that perhaps she has a adopted adifferent persona. Maybe there's more, there's
more, Maybe there's more to it, and maybe she went to this town

(43:07):
full of white people and was like, this is what they expect me to
be to blend in. Because wedo have the quote at the end,
what have you done this time?Well, and okay, no, that's
definitely like an eyebrow raising quote.Um. I do like the fact that
if nothing else, the mother likeaddress the fact that she's like in all
white company. So it's like atleast like sort of an elephant in the

(43:29):
room. It's been named like yeah, super white community, and to be
fair, like that area is superwhite. But um, again, like
one book spoiler which I still haven'tread, and I think this is inconsequential
probably, so that's why I'm sayingit. Apparently the character of Bonnie in
the in the original book is white, so really oh yeah, Like I

(43:51):
don't know, take that, likethe whole thing happens in Australia and whatever,
it's different demographics, but um,take that how you will anyway,
that unchanged in the American adaptation,And I don't know, you know,
I don't know what that means,but well, Jay was like, this
is a lost opportunity to get LisaBonet on this show seriously doing she well

(44:16):
she's well what is she doing?Jason MoMA father for that? Yeah,
girl, but yeah, that wouldhave been really the best I think if
they could have gotten hard to playBonnie's mom, I really would have a

(44:37):
happy and in the heart space.Yeah so but yeah, no, I
uh, Shandy, those are That'stotally valid and definitely worth for their discussion.
Um, if anybody wants to haveit in the future as the as
the season goes on. Um,what do we think because I just shared
with you what I thought Bonnie's dealkind of was, where she's trying to

(44:59):
u assimilate in by doing all thesethings to be unnoticed in a community where
she would otherwise be noticed. Becausesomething happened, and I'm curious if anybody
has any theories or maybe we'll justwait till it gets alluded to. I
don't think she like killed anybody orsomething, because this is a pretty aft
op. And you know, youthink if it was like your second murder,

(45:21):
you probably wouldn't be probably wouldn't bestruggling with it quite so much,
right exactly? Or maybe you would. I don't know. I haven't first
or second murder? No, Iknow me neither. I have no idea
what that feels like. Yeah,same same also or second murder anyone?
Glad have nobody here that's first orsecond or third for that matter. Now

(45:51):
that we've gotten that out of theway, Um, I don't. I
think Bonnie. And then again,I believe that the episode title Bonnie's you
know quote about how she thinks that, um, the lie is going to
get them all is kind of thatsame like telltale heart analogy of the narrator

(46:12):
in the story who it eventually getsto him. Yeah, I think Bonnie
would have and I think she evensaid in the first episode that she would
have been happier just telling the truth. Truth. Yeah. Um okay,
Now let's get to the Madeline MarthaMcKenzie of it all, because oh,
I love everybody's life was pretty effedup this this episode, including Madeleine,

(46:37):
who's she starts out. Though shegives an epic like shrug off to uh
Mary Louise I love, she waslike, what kind of emergency? The
kind short people have? That wasalso in the running for one of my
favorite lines of the episode, umthe rude question, which you know,

(47:00):
also Shandy, you could probably addthis to the argument you were just making
where she asked, Bonnie, areyou on drugs? Yeah? But I
feel like Madeleine would go up toanybody and ask them that, because she
did offer ranata an a xan Xlater on any episode too. Well.
I feel like just all like Malin, just just like here, drugs will

(47:22):
solve all of her bubble exactly canwe talk about drugs? Because like,
here's the thing, Like Bonnie didkind of look like she was on drugs,
and maybe that's the TV show makingher look that way, but I
think she's supposed to look tired andstressed and stressed, yeah, like like
it was weighing on her, whichit did. But like you guys are

(47:44):
saying, like drugs are very mucha part of Madeline's life. She just
picked up her friend who drove acar got into carrect because she was literally
on drugs. Yeah, on Cavin'swhatever, which is why it was so
funny that Madeline turns to her andshe's like, that woman is not right.
That is the kettle calling the potpot called kettle black. All right,

(48:08):
Um, maybe an unfortunate choice ofwords, but yeah, that expression.
Um. Then like she offers theambient I'm sorry the xan X to
Nada later on exactly, so it'slike she's like swimming and draws. What
makes it worse? You're literally justhelping out your friend that got into an

(48:29):
accident from sleeping coke, and youturn around and you offer Zanna X to
someone else. She was just tryingto be a good friend. Can you
not like reconcile? Like very dangerous? But now she can't reconcile anything.
Her whole life just fell apart becauseher one daughter blab to everybody else because
she hoverheard her blabbing on the phoneabout the the two boy and the Ziggy's

(48:55):
real father, and then her otherdaughter just casually was like, hey,
you fuck the theater director last year, so I don't talk to me about
family or whatever. Well, she'shaving a rough episode. She had a
it's all of Madeline's secrecy and pensionfor lying came back to to bite her.

(49:15):
But so okay, we have umthe big you know, trouble with
Madeline. This episode was especially bigtrouble with Little Madeline was ed finding out
that she had the affair, andoh man, I mean which, first

(49:36):
of all, like power to umAdam Scott, because like I that was
awesome. When he walked down,She's like, where are you going?
And he's like to get my earschecked. At the end, then oh,
he's just so good. He's atthe end of the when he like
confronts her at the end, hishands are shaking in the city just like,

(49:59):
no big deal. But I didact in a scene with him.
I can I can say from experiencethat he's a fabulous scene partner. His
hand it wasn't shaking, Yeah,mine probably, yeah, the years probably
was maybe, yeah, maybe handhe got the inspiration, he got the

(50:19):
inspiration from you, Shandy, whowas like that girl that just took my
hand was nervous. I'm going tobe nervous in this scene and I'm going
to use this. Yeah. Hewas phenomenal. But yeah, no,
like the whole sequence was pretty great, and I was sort of wondering because
I knew that had to happen,and I was like, how is it
going to happen? It was perfect. It was just like casually saying that

(50:44):
him overhearing, which I mean,Madeline's daughters are totally little hers in that
they can't keep their mouth shut aboutanything either. True. True, But
shout out to the editor for thatfinal scene between Madeline and Ed Ed.
There's the Ed, the Ed ofit all, the Ed of it all,

(51:06):
that entire scene between the two ofthem, it's all done in close
ups. There's never one shot whereyou see both of them in frame together.
And that was such a brilliant wayto play that scene because it showed
that there was no us right,that they were so completely separate, and
that like the lies and the secrecyhad completely tore them apart. So,

(51:29):
yeah, agreed. Here's the Iknow. Here is the big debate that
I was reading on the internet someinternet comments earlier, is Ed is very
upset that he first and foremost,he's upset that he was, you know,
that she was unfaithful to him.And I think that we kind of
it's alluded to in the last episodeof season one that he suspected it,

(51:52):
but then when he was singing theElvis song, he kind of, you
know, decided he was going tolet it go, and then you know,
Perry eyed, So that happened,and it kind I guess you know,
it clips everything else. But sonow he finds out for sure that
this has happened. And then theother thing he's upset about is that the

(52:12):
the she didn't tell him about Jane, and yes, sorry, so yes,
the argument I okay, do youwant to you want to start?
Because I am of three separate mindsetshere and I can't decide. I mean,
they're all kind of I think equally. You always are, go ahead.

(52:34):
He has every right to be upsetabout the cheating situation. But the
three words that I wrote about therape situation, ED should understand period,
Like let's not conflate Madeline choosing notto tell him about her best friend being
raped because that was privileged information andMadeline cheating on him and lying to him

(52:59):
about that that, like he shouldunderstand. There are things like I'm sorry,
just because you're married, it doesn'tmean that you have this like sort
of relationship. I think we usuallytreat it like that, but like,
or you have this relationship where everysingle thing can be shared between each other.
No, Like you still are yourown unique being and you have friendships,
and if you're a female friend ora male friend, whatever, it
doesn't matter. But if your friendtells you that they were sexually assaulted and

(53:23):
they do not want to share thatinformation with other people, you do not
have to share that with your spouse. Like here in the end, he
should understand that that is a separatething. That's like I was not.
I like ED, and like Iroote for ED, and I feel for
Ed. But on that point,no, no, I have a blind

(53:44):
spot for Ed. I now sayI totally agree with that. I'm sorry,
I totally agreed with that. Andthen the second time I watched it,
Now, this was again after readingarguments back and forth all day,
I watched from their perspective of whatif It's not the fact that she didn't
tell him a secret either too.So one he was upset that, you

(54:09):
know, Chloe knew about it becauseshe was gossiping so loudly with everyone else,
and he was hurt that, forsome reason, he was the last
to know. And it wasn't somuch the fact that she didn't tell him
the secret about being raped. Itwas that she had this whole other life
because she wasn't treating it with therespect that it should have deserved. She

(54:30):
was talking about it so loudly thatChloe could overhear it. That is one
two is shit Now I forgot thesecond one. And the second one is
that it just represents to him thatMadeline does not he wants to be a

(54:52):
part of Madeleine's life, and itrepresented that he was how far down the
list of priorities she was, Sothat it was did I just say the
same point twice? Whatever? Ikind of watched it from from that perspective
too, that it wasn't what thesecret was. It was that Ed was

(55:13):
very hurt and angry that, youknow, she had been so cavalier about
this information and didn't even think toconnect with him. That their marriage has
fallen apart so much that that wasjust the straw that broke the camel's back.
Doesn't matter if the secret it wasshe hated Roses, it was that
she was keeping secrets and she wasthis gossip person who was just leaving him

(55:36):
out of everything. Anyway, thatwas the second the you know, other
things other perspectives to the scene andtheir marriage issues that I had wrote today
that I thought that I would sharebecause you know, you can't refute what
Chandy said that is clear. Yeah, Well, and I suppose if we
did want to cut at a littlebit of slack in the heat of the
moment when we when we are upsetabout something, we aren't our bestselves.

(56:00):
And perhaps upon some reflection, maybehe can come back and be like,
Oh, I've had some time toreflect about it. Given given the nature
of what the secret was and theinformation that you were protecting your your friend,
you know, maybe maybe he'll seethings a little bit yeah, or
maybe he'll be like, but dude, you really got to sit in your

(56:22):
fucking closet and lock the door whileyou're telling these secrets, because you're not
being very respectful either. Like youryour children, your young children know this
thing at the end, they reallyshouldn't. But I think that the bigger
point is a woman has been rapedhere, and there is a child that
is the product of it, andnot just because you're the house. You

(56:45):
don't need to be privy to them. Exactly. A woman has been raped
here, and like, yes,maybe she should have been a little bit
more careful about what she was sayingon the phone and where and when,
But like she's saying that on thephone in this really big house during the
day when he's at work, andshe doesn't necessarily know that her daughter's like

(57:05):
right next to her listening, andmaybe she should have been paying more attention.
I get that, but like,yeah, I don't know. I
think it's an interesting point that likehe sort of is like placing himself on
the totem pole in a certain position. But I still do think that and
not in they need to know thissecret position, but in the like where
I stand and mantle is priority position. But guys, you know, will

(57:28):
someone just give ed his moment?He just wants to have a moment.
Guys just want to have a moment'strying. Oh, don't worry. His
big scene with Shandy is coming outthis moment, all right, So does
anybody else have anything to add tothe discussion portion? Otherwise? I think
we have a little bit of feedbackand local insight music. Yeah not good,

(57:52):
yep, No, all my noteshave been covered. Awesome. Um,
as far as feedback goes, wehave some feedback from Facebook. And
actually Christie said what I was goingto bring up, and I'm glad that
I saw this, because I did. I didn't double say it. But
the woman from the Traitor Joe's thated ran into last week the boom job

(58:12):
woman that's the wife of the guythat Madeline had the affair with. Yeah,
so first of all, just totallyblow my mind, blew my mind.
Second of all, it was definitelya whole food's not a trair jobs
just saying like of that, Iam sure, but I sort of loved
that. Yeah, I know,yeah that that totally blew my mind all

(58:35):
sorts of pieces. Yeah. Yeah, and Matt thinks that she's out for
a revenge affair. There were definitelylike theories after that scene of like,
is are they going to have anaffair? And I think this maybe odds
fuel to that fire. Yeah.Yeah. Otherwise it did just feel like
a very awkward, unnecessary scene.What was hysterical, It felt like just

(59:00):
like a big old blob of foreshadowing, just like dropped. It was a
very well put together episode. Yeah. See, now I thought that it
was hysterical scene, but now I'mglad that it had more of a purpose.
So yeah, I mean just thefact that it was theater guy's wife,
I think that's brilliant. And ifyou have yeah, it was,

(59:22):
And if you have any feedback,we would love to hear it. You
can send us an email. Thebroadcasters three the number three at gmail dot
com, or you can give usa phone call at three three one two
seven six two three seven three Shandy, do you have any local insight for
us? So, General Jim Moore, which is that big boulevard that Renato

(59:45):
was driving down when she dropped offher husband on the road. Yes,
and unceremoniously flipped him off. Sothe very opening scene when Celesque gets in
the accident. Yes, So firstof all, in that scene, like
of course, like so you know, like watching with Tasian, We're like,

(01:00:06):
okay, where is this? Um, I think it's seventeen mile drive,
which is Pebble Beach, which aside note at the US Open was
just here, but I'm fairly certainthat that's where she was. So that
was kind of fun to like watchand pick out. The other thing that
didn't occur to me until about liketwo hours ago was when um, when

(01:00:27):
Frank and I were filming. Theday that we were filming, it was
like a whole day shoot, butwe had a hard deadline towards sunset because
they had to film a crash scenewith Nicole Kidman. Didn't even come back
to me until a couple of hoursago. I was like, oh,
I mean unless like spoiler alert,she gets in another car crash, Like

(01:00:51):
that's totally what they were filming.And it makes sense like in regards to
like where we were and where theyhad to get to and which is not
that far away, but they stillhad to like you know, right out
and like sunset like dusk and dawncan have the same sort of light,
so like right, and it makessense because Rue's Witherspoon was at the crash

(01:01:12):
scene and she was on set foryou that is true. Yeah, so
I thought that was really fun.And then, um, the other thing
that I wanted to mention was theso okay, so you know, like
so after the car crash and actuallyno, I'm no, I'm second guessing
this. I will say it,and then well then we can do workshop

(01:01:35):
this um after after the car crash, so Madeleine and Celeste are in Madeline's
car and they're driving along and theysee Bonnie, yes, and like just
the place like that whole scene,And I will grab a screenshot from HBO
um and compare it with some picturesthat I took this afternoon because I was

(01:01:57):
like, okay, like I thinkI've been there before that I've run there
before, just the way that itwas like the street with like did you
notice the sidewalk, how it's likenot really a trail but not really like
a I probably didn't notice. Iactually, as a frequent walker, I
actually did. Oh god, Okay, it's not on the traditional sidewalk,
but it's also not a trail likeit's paved, but it's like like dinner.

(01:02:19):
And anyway, I will post somepictures because I was like, I
think I know exactly where this is. It's not too far from my place,
and it's actually really close to whereI've been geocashing, any like just
out there nice, awesome. Wecan talk about about that on the broadcast
tomorrow. But anyway, I don'tknow how filming went, if they like

(01:02:40):
filmed those scenes like all kind oftogether, because that place also kind of
looks like seventeen mile Drive, soit's like could it have been there?
But I don't know if they havethose walkways it's seventeen mile drive. I
don't know. I'll have to goback and look, but I will post
the pictures that I took this afternoonbecause after work, I was like I
need to go to that spot andtake some pics Jersey if I think it

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was really there, and then we'llcompare screenshots and see if it looks like
it. So you tell me.Follow us at the Broadcasters three on Instagram
at the Broadcasters three. Let meknow what you think. Okay, is
that all? And that's it?Oh my god, that's all I got.

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Oh there was also actually you know, um, this is not really
exciting, but the hiking scene withBonnie and her mom, I think it's
very exciting. I was actually hopingyou would say where that was because it
was so beautiful. It was reallybeautiful. Tasian I were like, that's
a big Stir, right, thatlooks like big Stir. Tasia was like,
yeah, it looks like, um, it looks like, oh my
god, what is it called JuliaPiffer. Every so there's this place in

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Big Star called Julia Piffer, Andevery time I really have to think about
it hard so that I don't say, I mi Shellfifer. Okay, yeah,
I think that very well could havebeen big Sir. If it wasn't
Big Stir, it might have beenjust North because like it did look in
episode one, it looked like theyfilmed a little bit north of here,
but there are those like sort oflike coastal redwood type forests, like that's

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very much what that looks like.And you have that and big sur and
then you have that a little bitnorth also, So yeah, nice,
awesome, Well, thank you,Shandy, Amanda. Is there anything on
the music front that is worth noting? Yes, yeah, So there's really
only one big music thing, soI think we don't necessarily need to run
down the soundtrack unless you guys arecurious. We have another Sufian Stevens reappearance

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this episode at the very ends.The big final montage is Redford is the
name of the song, So bigSufian Stevens fans here on a big little
eyes. But the very particular interestingthing that you know, I'm sure it's
all over the internet. The closingcredits song. It is an Elvis cover

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wander review and if that sounds familiarto you, it is the song that
Ed did during the Trivia Night Gallaback in season one. But what I
was reading that I found particularly interesting. The band that does this cover that
was in the credits. It's aband called Villagers, and apparently they were

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asked to do this cover for seasonone, so it's it's the same exact
cover version of the Elvia song.So I thought that was particularly interesting and
a really cool callback as you're sortof seeing the state of Madeline and Ed's
relationship and where it's at current.Yeah, it's a nice little shout out.

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Yeah, I like that. Ithink some of the others. Do
you want to talk about any ofthe other ones here that are do you
think might be worth noting, likeforeshadowing or anything. I don't think any
of them are foreshadowing so much.I think they're just really great uses of
a song. Like I think thescene where Bonnie and Jane are doing yoga

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and when Bonnie's mom shows up,that song is called let Love Stand a
Chance. It's by Charles Bradley featuringa Menhand Street Band, and I just
thought it was just the transition ofit, the use of it, the
vibe of the song, I thoughtreally helped tell the scene. In general,
I feel like their use of moresort of throwback kind of do op

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be soul, R and B typetracks I think are really an interesting choice
given how white the show is,to kind of bring in more urban quote
unquote styles of music I think isan interesting choice and I think it certainly
adds right adds to the scenes.I think it's interesting that the song that

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played during celest In Perry's flashback asMary Louise is confronting him is called Somewhere
not Here, because Celesti is clearlynot all here these days. And then
the an l King song called goodThing Gone is in the background when Ed
walks in on them talking about theaffair, because she's about he's you know,

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