Broad Little Lies Ep. 1.3: "The End of the World"

The Broadcast's Amanda, Shandy, and Colleen discuss HBO's "Big Little Lies," season 2, episode 3, "The End of the World."

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Hello, and we're going to BroadLittle Lies with a man of Shandy and
Colleen. My name is Colleen,my name is Amanda, and I'm Shandy.
Welcome everybody to the show. Weare here to talk about season two
episode three of Big Little Lies onHBO, titled the End of the World.
Very exciting, very exciting. Yeah, would you guys think initial reactions

(01:14):
hot takes anybody? Anybody? Iliked it and I think there was a
lot of fun stuff to talk about. But I don't know, maybe it
wasn't quite as good as last episode, but I still really really liked it.
That's my initial take, gotcha.Yeah, Yeah, I think Nada
had another really big episode which wasreally enjoyable to watch. Yeah, it's

(01:37):
like the end of the world,but I also feel like it was like
the beginning of the sort of upwardmotion of the season in a lot of
ways. Like particularly if you wentahead to jump ahead a bit and look
at the preview for next week,it looks like we're really on the fast
track to the big climax of theseason. Yeah, definitely, And I

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really enjoy the complexity of this episode. I mean, just like we've seen
throughout the whole season, just thecomplexity of some of the relationships, and
we'll get into that more specifically later, but I think that this once again
they just really dove into that headfirst and it's really interesting to watch.

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Agreed. I agree. I kindof like that the show is built in
such a way that they just allowall these moments for just character interaction and
mixing it up and putting different charactersin different sets together to see what happens
and how it moves the story along, and not even so much out it
was the story along, but howit moves each character's character development along.

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And I just sad to say thatthat feels so rare television these days,
and it's just so enjoyable to watch. Yeah, So I really liked it
the first time that I saw it. There's just, like you said,
there's so much complexity in it.I was infuriated by Mary Louise, But

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at the same time, I wasalso like kind of thinking, yeah,
I don't know how I would handleall of the news that she kind of
had thrown at her, But Ithink, you know, because if it's
your son. But on the otherhand, I think that she's a total
freaking psychopath, So they're just youknow, there were there were so many

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things that characters did that I waslike, oh my god, she did
not and then but I still cameaway with it. The first time I
watched it really liking it. Thesecond time I watched it, I still
liked it, but I think Iagree that it didn't like it as much
as last week's episode. That beingsaid, I would love to see Mary

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Louise and Rnata like Mary Louise totry her like her shit her little stick
on like Rnata, because can youimagine how well that would go over.
I really hope now that they haveinteracted a little bit, I hope that
that that master pruission. I feellike, totally absolutely incredible. It was

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a very promising first interaction. Yesthis is I mean, like you said,
Amanda Ranada was kind of on fireagain in this episode, and I
think you really called it in thefirst episode like this. I mean,
I don't want to say it's theRanada show because everyone is totally bringing their
a game and I think everyone hasinteresting things to do. But she is

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like pretty consistently had just like thethe lines that you remember and just like
the outbursts that are just really memorable. Yeah, it's kind of like you
know, um, these is gonnasound really cheesy, but let's go for
it. Yeah, everybody was given, you know, like a meal to

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make, and Ranada or Laura Dernput like the most spice in hers because
my note for Ranada is hold on, where is it? Uh? Ranada's
level ten plus continues, Yes,because her intensity is just all the way
up here. But I think alsowe're starting to see the cracks right like

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now, even Gordon is saying,hey, I notice that something is wrong
with you. Your kid has noticedthat something is wrong with you. And
we see like Ranada, I thinkwe're seeing we're seeing her, but we're
not seeing the way that her familyhas seen it affecting her, like because
we're not seeing her more private moments. Yet we're seeing, you know,

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her in full force. So Ido think that it's interesting. And I'm
wondering when are all the husbands goingto get together and be like, you
know, put all the puzzle piecestogether, like h maybe watching a dude
die there was something there, seriously, Yeah, and I think you know,
we've seen it so far, likecoming into this, of course,
we knew like Bonnie and celest We'regoing to be the most affected obviously,

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um, and I think that's beenvery apparent since episode one. But just
like you're sycolling, like now eventhe characters with like the strong hysteria,
like Granada, we're kind of seeingthat, like, oh no, there
have been changes with them too.And again it is funny like you said
that their spouses are kind of likefiguring out that maybe something's been weird,

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but like haven't traced it back tothe day that which has That has to
be the scene with Bonnie's mother aboutlike hello, duh, let's think what
happened about six months ago? Rightmurder? Yeah, right, And even
if it had been a total accident, like they still were and that just

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died, that they saw it die, and like the fact that it was
like finally delayed and so we latelyand I just her on wine like like
because you could make a case forlike Madeline being the worst or um whatever,
or any of the character well notany of the character really, but

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you could like make a case forfor some things, and it's like,
no, the husbands really are theworst, Like they just don't get anything.
There's still there's still like having likea penis measuring contest when they interact
with each other. I do saythat I love I love Ed's little subtle
digs like Cliney. She's like,you're being so cruel and he goes,

(07:30):
oh, this would be a twofertile piss off you and Nathan. That's
true. Adam Scott didn't have kindof a big episode this week too,
for he had some good lines.He did a lot of like silent skulking
and you know, but yeah,okay, so before we get too much
into it, um from last weekthe tattoo thing, do we want to

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talk about that a little bit becausewe do not have some feedback from last
week's episode. Okay, do youwant to save that for feedback then?
Because we didn't get anything else aboutthat this episode we had m Madeline asked
Madeline, the shining Beacon to usall asked, uh, Celeste, I

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you know, I think who hadthe biggest episode today was the principal serious
character, the Medusa of Monterey.The Medusa of Monterey. They're fucking Shakespearean
and I do smoke. I wantto go hold back. I hope place
where the kids won't see us.J and I laughed, out loud so

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hard at that scene last night.VP of the episode. Um, oh
man, so yeah, do wewant to talk about the tattoo thing now
where we can save it for feedback? That works too, because, like
I said, they didn't really havetoo much alluding to it this week we

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had. Madeline asked her if she'sgone on any more like early morning's joy
rides, and then the therapist Idon't say. And then a therapist asked
her if she's hurting herself, andshe covers the wrist and then you see
her put the makeup on to hideit later on. So, um,
I think the jury might still beout on whether that was a thing or

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not. Well, I think thejury can still be out on whether she's
being hurt by whoever she's having thislate night, early morning joy ride with.
But I don't think that the juryis out on the tattoo, like
we got. Well, I gotsome feedback from Taja who sent a screenshot

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and said, that is a motherfuckingback tattoo. She was in her robe,
a high as fuck and pick someoneup for sex and has no memory
of it. Rape. She's flashbackingas she's sobering. And then I also
went back and looked at that again, and I got another scre shot that
I posted on our instagram feed Instagramand with a pole. About thirty percent

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of the people were wrong. Ohlovely listeners. Sorry, but but and
to be fair, the screenshot ispretty dark, but like, it is
a back tattoo. It is ahuge, like unfortunate choice back tattoo.
But it's definitely a tattoo, soit's definitely not Perry, and it's definitely
them together. Yeah, I wouldhave to say this past week, you've

(10:28):
all made a very convincing argument.I was originally not on team back tattoo,
but I think I've changed my tune. I think the evidence is pretty
compelling. I think my real gripeis how is it going to pay off

(10:48):
in the rest of the season,Like everything, it's going to be this
one off thing to kind of showthat like Celeste is going off the rails,
she's trying to like get over thistrauma, like not for it.
But I think and I would hopethat a show that is so sensitive to
complexity would do a better job ofbringing of like not setting something up just

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to let it hang that like willpay back at some point later on down
the season, I mean, Idefinitely have faith And Kayla agrees though that
that's one hundred percent back to tattoobecause she and her roommate both noticed it
and we're like eyebrow raids. ButI think I'm at it to your point.
I think they'll get there because theydid kind of allude to it a

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little bit. I mean the joyridecomments aside with the therapist, since she
when she's asking about the bruise,she talked about how, you know,
sometimes people who suffer PTSD, likejust got out of this kind of relationship
seek it out, and so Ithink in the context of the therapy session

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she was just talking about self inflictedwounds. But like I think we the
viewer, with the more information thatwe have, we can sort of see
that also as perhaps Celesque going outand seeking out really questionable interactions with men,
and that maybe that will come intoplay again. Right, Yeah,
that's a valid point if we aremaking a case for Celesque not have doing

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something like that. We see atthe end that she also goes on jor
rides by herself. So true,very true. I went a long way
for a rubbing one out joke.Do what you gotta do, you know,
sometimes hatch that edge. Yep,go the extra mile. Just got

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all right, let's get into adeeper discussion. Buckle in. We're going
on a joy ride everyone. Theworld might end. It might be sweet

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relief for Ranada and Gordon and therest of us. But let's talk about
the therapist. Because the first thingI have the therapistic in dot dot dot.
Is she just a plot device oris she just really that terrible at
her top or is this like,you know, some kind of new phone

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therapy buff However, I will saybefore we get into therapist okay, and
there is a lot about therapist bashing. I'm gonna therapist bash okay, to
give her one bone the whole likePTSD and like the whole conversation she had
with Celeste about you know, soldierscoming back from war and like, you

(14:58):
know, life not being enough andlike maybe that's sort of something she's going
through that actually did feel like alegitimate thing a therapist would do. Mainly
based on my own experience with therapists, this is a similar line of discussion
that like, my therapist will kindof employ with me. So like that

(15:18):
felt really like true and real tome. And that one line that she
said about you know you missed thewar celest I thought that was just a
really great line. Yeah, agreed, but everything else so um, I
actually have some feedback from a friendwho I didn't ask if I could cite
him on the podcast, so Iwon't say his name, but he listened

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to a past episode when we hadlike, you know, a voice this
concern about the therapist, and hetexted me that he has a friend who
has a PhD in psychology and withwhom he spoke about the therapist, and
that this friend of his. Sonow we're like, you know, two
degree is remote. That the therapistseems to be less full of shit than

(16:03):
most of the other characters, andthey've avoided making her a therapist stereotype so
far. I'd go see her.So this one psychology PhD's opinion on the
matter. Well as no, wehave zero PSDs amongst the three of us.

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Two of the three of us havegone to Sarah to therapy. One
of us currently still goes every week. True true, Oh boy, Okay,
So Madeline and Ed are now seeingthe same therapist, and um,
you know, she's she's kind ofcalling Madeline out for the college thing,

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which was interesting, and then sheshe kind of calls it out too,
and it was interesting because at firstI was like, it's not his fault
that she made that decision, butthen I thought it was interesting, which
she kind of was like, butyou're disengaged, so which I could see
that case too, where Ed wastrying to be such a nice guy,

(17:07):
Ed that that's not really what Madelineneeds totally, and like, having just
recently finished reading The State of Affairsby Esther Pearl, I was so there
for that and I'm glad that shewent there because it is I think usually
seeing a sort of like a onesided thing, but um, a relationship
involved, right, because you're atleast two people, right, and at

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the end of the day, theperson that made the decision made that decision
and hurt somebody else. But there'salways mitigating generally, there's mitigating factors that
you know, contribute. I hateto use the both sides words, so
I won't, but exactly, butjust again, just like showing them the
complexity of human relationships and situations exactlyand which will and that to me,

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it felt that felt like an herdoctory session, you know, like that
is something. Albeit I think herquestions felt a little more aggressive then she's
always aggressive, always aggressive, Butthey didn't feel contextually out of place,
like I think if you have newclients that are coming into couples therapy,

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like you would ask those really pointedquestions to get a broader sense of what
is happening between the lines and howit goes deeper because often it's not completely
what any no one's side is completelyone hundred percent the truth. So that
felt true to me. But thething that I felt really weird about is

(18:41):
why why would you go to yourbest friend's therapist? Is she the only
therapist in I mean, like monerysmall, but it's not that small.
I was kind of like, didthey just not want to cast like another
Yeah, right, people get theface with too many characters. We already
have too many women on their show, Like no, no, no,
they're they're they're paying the actress perepisode. So they really wanted to give

(19:04):
her suffection of seeds um. Butit's funny when she was saying ed is
either wonderfully accommodating or profoundly disengaged.And my first thought was to Madeline,
wonderfully accommodating is profoundly disengaged. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so especially then

(19:26):
we find out about how she sawher yet having the affair and apparently she
cries at the wrong parts of theWizard of Us, and yeah, yeah,
there was a lot. I mean, every every week we've talked about
the way that the relationships between parentsand their children are very strongly portrayed,

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and uh, last week we didn'treally mention it, and I meant to,
and I didn't that. Uh,it was funny just with all the
way that we saw the mother's kindof talking to their childre drin and trying
to make them feel better about thingswe had. Madeleine then who, uh
you know, Chloe asked, isdaddy mad at me? And she's like,

(20:08):
daddy's mad but we're gonna get overit. Like doesn't even say,
oh, sweetie, he's not madat you, He's mad at me,
right right, which is kind ofI mean, Madeleine. And then this
episode there was one point where Ijust wrote down, shut the fuck up,
Madeleine, and it wasn't her no, no, exercise and demons.

(20:32):
She no, I love this speechat the end. Um. Actually it
was when she was I mean,I would probably kill them all in real
life, except maybe not Bonnie becausethey all seem like they would be just
somewhat intolerable. Um, we're notas an anti vaxxer, right, I
mean, I don't know, thoughI know, I don't think so.

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I think she's like an auntie alot of things, but I feel like
she would because she's so protective ofher little girl that I think she would
one hundred percent vaccinator. I thinkthat she would. Jessica biel Hern be
like, I'm just doctor shopping tofind the one that's going to give for
the vaccination schedule that I want,which is like none of them anyway.

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Okay, going back though to Madeline, Um, the part where I wanted
her to shut up was when shewas talking to Ed at the in the
cafeteria and she was like, you'rebeing so cruel, and it's like that
wasn't really that cruel. That waslike I guess Ed being mean for Ed,
but it wasn't really mean. Yeah, And it was an empty threat

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anyway, exactly, not like anythinghe would actually do but exactly. Well,
maybe he's just usually such a dormatthat, you know that. I
felt like, right, oh,I feel like Madeline also a lot of
times just kind of says exactly whatshe's thinking without like stopping to think about

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it. It just goes from likebrain to mouth like very quickly. Yes.
And the other time that I waslike, please Madeline stopped talking was
when she made a celesque Celeste likebad marriage, like all about herself and
she's like, and my friendships becauseyou couldn't even tell me, like,
oh my god, Madeline. Ohsee, I actually really loved that scene.

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I liked the scene overall. Ijust thought it was a little bit
like and both times I watched it, I felt that she was making it
like coming back around herself and it'syou know, to me, seemed very
on brand. But yeah, right, I think maybe that's why I liked
it. I think it was avery good example of like female intimacy.

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I'm like, with your closest friend, you can just be completely one hundred
percent yourself, and like Madeline isa little self centered, unless it was
on brand, as you say,yes and Celeste is okay that and I
think that's probably why that friendship worksexactly exactly. Um, did we want

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to talk about the speech because Iloved the speech. Yeah, let's talk
about the speech, just like leadingup to the speech, because the whole
reason for the speech was the waythey're teaching about the climate catastrophe in school.
And I just have a note like, is this the only mainstream TV
show really showing the crisis? Ijust like, I've been so impressed and

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loving it from super very Superstore hasabsolutely been tackling climate change too. Okay,
they've had episodes dedicated to it.Yeah, sorry, amazing Store with
Amanda and Colleen. I would totallydo that. And one of the characters
from Superstore was doctor bo Peep,so oh wow, she looked familiar when

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actress has like been kicking around fora while. Yeah. Anyways, Shandy,
I know, listen. If youwant to hear me gush more about
Superstore, go listen to our othershow, the Broadcast, because the most
recent episode I definitely gush about it, and the one before that and the
one before that. I recently bingedall four seasons and they're lovely nice.

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I still need to do that.And that's actually that's really cool. To
hear that they're talking about the climatecrisis. But I was just like,
I don't know, because they mentionedit in the first episode about like what's
the point of going to college if, like, you know, like basically
right, the world's not gonna existanymore. And then it came up again,
like in a really profound way inthis episode two, and I just

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thought that was pretty amazing and veryI don't know, just very avant guard,
even like shouldn't be avant guard,it should be like a way old
guard. But you know, it'sjust like it's not really being talked about,
and so to see it in suchan interesting way again and this was
just really really awesome. Yeah,let's talk about this speech and then we'll

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pivot over to the Amabella climate change. In all of that, anybody have
any thoughts? I did you didyou cringe when she was up there?
I kind of everybody's face as shekept talking, Like even Nathan and Bonnie
were like, and what was it? Ronado was like she having like a
full blown meltdown. That's about time, right. It was funny too,

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because just the way they're all sittingthere and the assembling, like all of
the adults are kind of like misbehavior. It's like, you know, you
put the adult back in the schoolsituation and they start acting again like school
children, and you know, they'relike being disruptive and not listening. And
then you have the principle calling outMadeline very much. It's just like reminds
me of a classroom. I'm callingoff there in the first place, which

(25:53):
is pretty funny. That was yeah, you know, you were beacon among
us, Madeline. I'm definitely goingto use that someday just to wait,
um, but yeah, okay,uh so yeah, so she gets emotional
and it's just kind of standing therelike what ives uh? And then yeah,

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there was one thing I wanted tobring up, and I meant to
bring it up in our last episodeand sort of forgot. But there's like
these moments that we're starting to seethroughout the season where they the pacing,
they start to play with this reallike hyper realism in the way the show
is edited together. I think thefirst time we saw it was in the
courtroom scene where all of a sudden, Nauta sees everyone laughing at her.

(26:41):
Yes, And then we saw itagain with Bonnie's mother with the visions and
the quick flashes of water, andthen we saw it again in this scene
where all of a sudden it cutsto an anti auditorium and all is m
ed and I just I think that'sreally interesting, and I think they're just

(27:04):
really doing it in a very coolway, and it really does help punctuate
moments where our character is having areally overtly emotional struggle. Yeah, and
I just think it's so cool.And I just I've I've been wanting to

(27:25):
bring it up, and I justI loved how it played out in that
scene that like, yeah, thatMadden started on a tangent and she completely
lost her way and let her emotionsovertake her, and really it didn't.
It became about something completely different abouthow lost she was in the fact that
her husband and her were at suchsuch a posing corners and we're literally an

(27:48):
auditorium away from each other. AndI just I loved it. Yeah,
that's a great point. But Manna, you're in fire lately with the observations
with the opening credit, it's kindof similar how they do the waves crashing,
which I went back and rewatched thelast ten or so twelve fifteen minutes

(28:10):
whatever of the finale from season onetonight, and I forgot that the montage
at the very end where you seewhat went down is interspersed with the waves
crashing too. Oh yeah, Ihad, and that beautiful piano music I
had. I had forgotten that,and it just kind of reminded me of

(28:32):
the way that they're really using thatbecause even today with Bonnie and I'm sure
we'll talk about that, we hadthe water theme that returned. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, So I thoughtthat that was really interesting. And then
I guess to have finish off theEd and celesque of hurry the Ed and
Madeline storyline for this week, Edand Celestue having it out a little bit

(28:52):
at the end. Yeah yeah,I mean they both had protective Yeah.
You know, I gotta say I'mnot on anybody's team in that. I'm
like, oh yeah, good point, Like you're right. I would have
said something too, but you knowhe came back with them, I'd be
like, all right, fair point, Like fair enough. But yeah,
I just felt really real. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And again,

(29:18):
like we were saying at the beginningof the episode, seeing like new combinations
of people interacting, because I feellike we didn't really see at and Celeste
ever interact much, even though becausethey have that common link of Madeline,
they obviously know each other, andI'm sure they have interacted, but to
then actually see it on screen,especially for something so interesting, was pretty

(29:41):
cool. Yeah, yeah, forsure. Oh did you guys notice this
side note that in the credit sceneNicole Kidman's daughters are credited as school children?
Oh yeah, and I had notgood eye. Yes, so both
of her daughters are in it asschool children. She you know, doesn't
ever really let her daughters get photographs, so nobody, you know, it's

(30:03):
not like her kids with Tom Cruise, who i'd probably recognize right away in
a scene. So tonight I frozeit on the classroom scene, and there's
a one little girl that's in thescene. She's got very blonde hair,
and she's sitting up front and youcan see her side profile is looks exactly
like Nicole Kidman's, like nose andside profile. So I think that that
has to be one of them,And then I couldn't pick out who the

(30:26):
other one was. I stared atthe screen and I was like that one
might look a little bit like KeithUrban, but I couldn't figure it out
one of them, like I wouldif I was going to put money on
who one of them was, Iwould bet it was that little blonde girl
that was in the front of theclassroom. But cool, right, Yeah,
we'll have to pay more attention.Yeah, apparently they've another reappearance.

(30:49):
Yeah, apparently they've been in itthis season so far, because I googled
it then last night just to confirm, like where they just cameos and she
after last week's episode was the articleI found that, you know, pointed
out that they were in the credits, and I guess they've just been and
seeing us, you know, inthe class in the secondary class. Pretty

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cool, cool, cool. Anyway, there's your little Easter egg. All
right, so climate change, Amabella, Amabella has She's struggling. Girl is
girl is struggling. Yeah, Iwould be stressed out too. I mean
that was a really far and likehard leap to take Charlotte's web to like,

(31:37):
oh my god, to eat pork. That's all I was thinking.
And that was actually the note Iwrote down when Shandy were you were saying,
how really awesome it is an avantgarde that like the show is talking
about climate change, that this reallyimportant thing. All I could think about
is like how they did it reallywell, and how they also did it

(31:59):
like really sloppily and clumsy. It'slike, really, well, the scene
when Jane is on the date andthe guy is talking about needing to know
where your fish is from because youknow, like lead and mercury and all
sorts of terrible things that make mevery sad inside. But then to see
like in that classroom scene, itwas just like really clunky and like it

(32:22):
was almost like he was told,Okay, work sustainability into a lesson and
guy was like, hmm, thissounds like a good point, like inserted
in right, It's like, I'mglad we're talking about it, But it
also felt very much like just fodderfor like right wings to be like CEC
either indoctrinating our children with their theirfalse claims of climate change. Like its

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just it felt a little too heavyhanded of so okay, just a pile
of bricks, yes, because thatwas so that was a very deep Charlotte
Web talk though, And you couldtell that those kids are products of their
parents because we had like they're she'slying to protect him, like parents lie
to their kids all the time,and uh. We had the other little

(33:12):
girl who was like, it's marketability. Yeah. I was like, um,
that seems a little bit smarter thantheir age group, but which I
think has to come. That hasto be making a point of like who
their parents all are? Right,Oh absolutely, yeah he's I thought that
that was so funny. And thenyou know, we get to sustainability.

(33:35):
But yeah, so for not usstoryline. She is again she's hat like
def Con eleven and what did shesay? She was like, I will
be rich and buy everyone yea thingmight have been my favorite of the episode.
Yeah, oh man, every kiddlebowler bear. Okay, she's says,

(34:00):
I will rise up. I willbuy a fucking polar bear for every
kid in this school, which againis like such a funny contrast because you
have the kids learning about the impendingclimate catastrophe and meanwhile, like their parents,
although they pay for this you know, expensive swell it's supposed to be

(34:20):
a public school, but whatever theypay you know, to live there so
that their kids can go to thisfancy school. But they're like so very
clearly part of the problem and completelyunconcerned and like their lifestyle is not sustainable,
but like exactly the most endangered animalson the planet because of climate change,

(34:40):
exactly A good example of subtle yes, which is I think that's we're
not this whole thing. This episodewe talked about it, you know,
like a half hour ago, abouthow she's clearly stressing her daughter out and
everybody has noticed that, how sheis just so on she's so self unaware,

(35:01):
right or unself aware? What's theright word self unaware? I think
not unself aware of the above,let's all of them. She's not how
I just say she's not self aware, and because if I was, you
know, writing this sentence out,I would just delete everything I just said
and say she's not self aware.But she doesn't even see that her like

(35:27):
being you know crazy all of thetime is stressing her daughter out just as
much as you know, the father'sissues and well mainly the end of the
world. But uh, but Imean, we just we just see this
denial, and I wonder if we'reheaded for a or not a breakdown in
general, because you know, something'sgot to give at some point, or

(35:52):
maybe she's just you know, likegot that like cockroach mentality where she's like
I'm gonna rise up. I amgonna like, you can't hurt me whatever.
Hope we do get a rnad abreakdown though. Can you imagine how
amazing that would be too? Imean, Laura, did we just kill
it? Right? And I thinkfor her character, um, I think
the scene with her husband in hislike toy room, they're out your ship

(36:22):
that might have been worn. Dowe know who bought tron I don't know,
Wesis, We don't know. Wecan't confirm or deny. But anyway,
I think it really brought to myintention to something I hadn't thought about.
It's Ronada's backstory and how you knowshe did kind of come from being

(36:44):
poor, and that all this lashingout is just that like it's it's kind
of affront to keep herself protected,and it's almost like the more scared and
threatened she is, like the biggerand louder and aggressive she'd be comes.
Yes, I agree with that,that's a good point. Yeah. And

(37:06):
even in the hospital scene, doesshe mock the doctor She's like yeah,
yeah, anythink that's a great examplethat like she's worried about her daughter and
so she lashes out at everybody inthe big over the top, right,
but even hide her insecurities, right, and like whoa, and it's not
open that she's worried about the doctoris the doctor is sitting there being like

(37:28):
team you guys need like family counselingand threatening like her view of like life,
and yeah, you know I lovethat, Like we're transferring her to
Stanford? Why because Stanford? Likewhy do I have to justify this with
an He's like she's actually cleared forYeah, like she had a panic attack,
it happens. Why because she's shecan leave. She doesn't need to

(37:52):
be here anymore or anywhere. Shedoesn't need to be in Stanford either.
Oh my god. Yeah, thatwhole thing. And then you know,
I kind of thought that it was. I liked that Gordon kind of snapped
back at her, like clap backa little bit where she's like I know
that run nata. Yeah, Liketo me, I kind of liked that

(38:14):
he wasn't just like passively taking itbecause he saw like what she was doing,
and you know that he's any kindof sympathetic character whatsoever. I just
kind of liked the dynamic of ofwatching her yet at least a little bit
of a foil um. But yeah, no, that was great when she
walks into the room and she's like, Number one, we're throwing her a
birthday party because she is unhappy,and we're sparing no cost, sparing no

(38:37):
expenses. Number two, because she'sunhappy. She gets this big, shiny
birthday party because she's unhappy. Yeah, that they can't afford. But they
can't afford exactly. Yeah, numbertwo, I headed out with the principal
and number three sell your toys.I loved it, but I did,
and I like, I loved thescene between them too, because I think,

(38:59):
just like in the scene with Madelineand Ed at the therapist office,
where you know, the show ischoosing to not do the simple thing and
just go down the like, Okay, it's all one sided because she cheated
on Ed, and look at ita little bit more in nuanced, ay,
more holistically. Um, that's definitelythan what they're doing here too,

(39:21):
because on the surface, it's like, well, yeah, like Gordon is
hugely at fault, but I likethat he's like, well, you know,
there are other factors that are cominginto play here in like their family
dynamics, and I just think thatthat's it's just so much more interesting than,
you know, than treating a onenote kind of thing. Yeah,
it is, it is. It'smore, it's exactly. It kind of

(39:44):
gives it multi dimensions. And Ireally like that because we could easily have
Gordon be like passive or be likeor or you know, tail between my
legs. I messed this up,but he has taken ownership of what he
did, while also being like,but you've changed. There's something going on
with you. I've noticed it,you know, like, yeah, like

(40:08):
I may have lost all of ourfamilies money, but her daughter just had
a panic attack for a different reason. That's on you. I don't think
it's completely my fault. Yeah,maybe sitting here playing with my giant adult
train set, But I haven't theresomething wrong with you? Yeah, like

(40:28):
I get it. And then beforewe wrap up what's your name? Thank
you? Before we wrap up Granada'sstoryline, how funny was it where the
Amabella's condition kept getting worse, likeby the end she was in a coma.
Oh my god, I loved that. That was hilarious. My daughter

(40:51):
was in a coma, like whatit's like she was in a coma?
And I will be rich again.Two things away from this discussion are the

(41:13):
two again I can't wait to seemore of the principle in the future because
he was just delight Yea. Allright, and now to wrap up,
I think we've got a little bitof the Perry the Perry problem here,

(41:34):
the Mary Louise of it all,I suppose. Yeah, so how about
that. Everybody's been listening for thelast forty five minutes being like, where
are they going to talk about likethe most offensive thing that I could have
probably been having, and that wouldbe, you know, a rape victim's
rapist mother forcing a paternity trying toforce a paternity test and then pretty much
creepily stalking her and um emotionally manipulatingher with the pictures. Because that was

(41:59):
pretty horrible, That was pretty intense. Marry Louise has just got her tendrils
like just branched out. Yeah thecop Yeah, totally and just again like
they've done with all of the othercharacters. I think it's just so captivating
though, too, because it isa complicated situation, like she's terrible,
and all of my like instincts andmy you know, physical response to her

(42:23):
revulsion and anger, and I hatehow much she victim blames. But then
there's this part of me that's likeshe also just lost her son and is
like learning all of these terrible thingsabout him, and so there's like a
little part there's like that human partwhere's yeah, right, that's gonna be
really hard to process. Yeah,Like it doesn't make her behavior okay,

(42:44):
but it kind of explains it right, right, It softens and edges other
than Jess being like the big badof the season, the fact that like
this woman and not only just likeyeah, like you find out your son
has done all these terrible things,but like your son that like you clearly
put up on this big crystal pedans. So like, yes, it does.

(43:08):
It doesn't explain anything away, butit does give her an extra layer
of context and like complication that wereally like you'd be a fool to ignore,
right, And I think that thething that for us as listeners that
is more kind of up for debateis not like, is her reaction like
over the top or not, becauseit's it's you know, we just it's

(43:30):
not, But it's has that beenher for her entire life? Where did
she kind of create Perry the perfectmonster? Or what did she was the
best monsters? What they they kindof call them, and I was like,
Oh, that's that's like I thinkyou're you're totally onto something there.
Yeah, like that's celess Like autobiographytitle is like the best monster, but

(43:57):
I was just gonna say it justIt also really makes me think of the
big little roundtable there are on theHBO website. There are two parts to
it so far, and each partis like three and a half minutes.
If you haven't watched it yet,I really recommend watching it. It's the
six main women sit down and talkabout some things, and one of the

(44:20):
things that they talk about is whatare as people? What are we responsible
for? As mothers? What arewe responsible for? And they talk about
how just women in general sort oflike take on the responsibility of their children
and of the whole world, andlike you know, like if something,
if someone is at fault, likethey are conditioned to take that on.

(44:40):
And that's also how then as asociety we read women, and that's think
how we've all been socialized to thinkabout women. So when I saw that,
it made me pull back a littlebit just to maybe pause and like
reconsider Mary Louise. I don't Imean, I'm not like, you know,
changing my opinion on her. Butit was interesting. It was like

(45:02):
Okay, yeah, I don't knowbecause we're all looking at her like,
okay, so she's one hundred percentgot to be the reason that Perry is
a monster, but or why shelike, yeah, part of it,
and Parry is just a monster becausehe just is right and so a she

(45:22):
has that conversation with Jane. Thisis during the conversation where she's showing the
other dead son's pictures, the unclewho I guess Ziggy looks a lot like,
and she talks about how he wasthe sweetest little boy. And you
know, I think we had Janewho was wrestling with the fact last season,
right, like, is Ziggy togrow up to be as violent as

(45:44):
his father is a nature versus nurture? That probably, like the look on
Jane's face when she, you know, hears that he was the sweetest Perry
was the sweetest little boy, wassomewhat heartbreaking. But during that scene when
she asked him like did you seeany good in him or whatever? And
Jane's like mmmmm no. Then MaryMary Louise says, I can't surrender to

(46:06):
this notion that he was evil.I can't. I just do so want
to believe that there was good inhim? Yeah, No, it's rough,
Like the whole thing is really rough. I think, first of all,
I love that Jane called her outon that when she said that Perry
was the sweetest little boy, andshe was like, well, but he
grew up to me neither of thosethings. Yeah, the sweetest gerst boy.

(46:27):
I was like, kid a girl, that's yes. I was really
glad that she said that. Butthen, I mean, I have to
also think that, like Perry wasa sweet little boy in the eyes of
his mother, right right, puthim on a pedestal. So how much
you know, she's really surprised byall of all of this. How well
did she really know him? Yeahexactly. But yeah, so this whole

(46:47):
thing, though, with the stalkingand the paternity test, was just all
sorts of cringe e and infuriating,and I felt terrible for Jane, right,
But I think Jane also just handledit like really well and really mature,
Like a lot of the lines,like those deliveries could have been done
with a lot of anger, AndI really appreciated the decision to make her

(47:13):
character like keep a cool, likecooler heads prevailed, and like everything she
said was said calmly and as factbecause it was and I think it made
for a much more impactful scene thatway, right, It's like the anti
Ranada, Yeah, for sure.And I also think that that's got to

(47:35):
be sort of like healing in away for her, very therapeutic too,
you know, she she never reallygot to confront Perry about it, but
she does get to confront his motherand actually say the things that she's thinking
and tell her truth and right deliverit in a way. You know.
Now it's like seven years removed orwhatever. So I think that's got to
be sort of really good for herown And then I think it's also just

(48:02):
fascinatingly complex the relationship between them anyway, because she's really taken with the photographs.
But like I can understand why,right, because they look like her
child, right, and for betteror for worse, like this represents half
of his DNA, So it's understandablethat she would, you know, and

(48:27):
she I think Jane has always shownus that she really looks out for Ziggy
and so it's almost like I couldsee her. I mean, I don't
know if it's possible, because MaryLouise is definitely, like, you know,
right, there's still something going onthere. There's something going on there.
But like, if Mary Louise's intentionsdid prove to be pure or whatever,

(48:51):
I could totally see Jane sort oflike at least bearing the hatchet with
her in order to give her sonaccess to one of his grandparents. Right,
yes, before we close out onthe Mayor Louise stuff, I read
a review today from that website thatI love Pejaiba, and the reviewer pointed

(49:14):
out that Mary Louise is one ofthose people who she feels that as long
as she says something politely, shecan get away with doing like all sorts
of manipulative evil shit like as longas you keep it like in its lane,
you can You're you're forgiven and blesstheir heart, right exactly, And

(49:34):
I was like, that's a goodpoint. I hadn't even thought of that,
um, you know, like andif Mayor Louise ends up not having
you know, the purest of intentions, which again then we see that she's
snooping through the medicine cabinet and likepower to Celeste, who is just you
know, I need it because youknow, from the pain, like Monnie
would like kick me. Yeah.I like that she was getting her voice

(49:58):
back a little bit on that shecalled her Yeah. Does anybody else have
anything that they want to bring upbefore we move on to the local stuff?
Um, I think Bonnie. Wehaven't talked about Bonnie. You Oh
my goodness, we haven't talked aboutBonnie. I think she had a small,
a small part to play this episode, but I think it was it
was really interesting. None. Nonetheless, I think, you know, we

(50:21):
really see her character turning a cornerwith the flashbacks with her mom, Like,
I think, you know, findingsome inner strength that she probably forgot
she had. Yes, And I, like I said earlier, they have
the water scenes, and I guessthat just kind of to me tied it
back to the like the waves crashingand all of that, And I mean,

(50:43):
yes, clearly, Bonnie is We'regonna I think we're gonna get a
lot of Bonnie backstory this season,especially because when um, she's talking to
Jane, she says, you know, I'm such a hypocrite. Nathan has
no idea who I am, andthen you know, it's kind of less.
One of my favorite lines of theepis so which I love too because
Jane just took that as like,you know, having to do with the

(51:05):
whole period of it all. Butlike, I think that we can see
that it was certainly more than that. Yes, I think that it stepped
so much farther back than yes,and the incidents of a year ago or
whatever the fall happens. But somy question though, is that pool scene
that we saw, was that supposedto be Bonnie and her kid when her
kid was small or was that supposedto be Bonny as a kid when it's

(51:29):
Bonnie as a kid, because Iwatched it in close captioning and it was
credited as young Bonnie Okay. Cool, because no, no, it's definitely
it's young Bonnie okay, and it'ssupposed to be I guess maybe I don't
know how her mom taught her hardlessons and it was you know, forced
on her, which again goes backto like the whole parent child relationship that

(51:52):
we keep seeing this season, whereyou know, perhaps Bonnie was molded in
a rough parenting style. I mean, we know that her mom had a
drinking problem, because we get thatso and clearly we see now that her
mom forced her underwater to learn howto swim. Hold her breath whatever,
hold her breath. Yeah, Ithink that also goes back to like you

(52:14):
were starting to say, like she'skind of getting her groove back a little
bit. She's smiling with ed whereshe's remembering, you know, hold her
breath to get through it. Somaybe that's also what she's kind of relating
to real life as well. Yeah, yeah, definitely, but I think,
you know, like the idea thatwe get of her upbringing with that,
with that one scene. I thinkI also Bonnie is definitely like very

(52:38):
highly attuned to abuse, and youknow, she she saw what was happening
with parents, lest like she readthat correctly right away and went running to
them. Yes, so I definitelythink there's some darkness and yes and past.
Yeah. And I'm really I mean, I love Zoe Kravitz, so

(52:59):
I'm really excited to get into whatever, like delve in deeper media roles.
Yeah, I'm waiting for her herNada episode, Yes, her Big Bonnie
episode. And I think I thinkit seems as though like next week,
I think some ral because and alsoI was just thinking we Mary Louise and

(53:21):
Bonnie haven't had an interaction yet,right, she she's the last of the
Monterey Five to have a one oneYeah, I believe so, so maybe
next week maybe maybe? Yeah,because I think that if Bonnie is starting
to get a groove back, Idon't think that's going to send you to
pieces. I think that meeting thatwoman, if she is in like full

(53:42):
Mary Louise mode, is going tomake her stronger. I agree, I
agree. Cool. All right,Well, I think that's it for our
discussion. Does anybody have anything elseotherwise? I think maybe it's time to
move into some feedback. Let's dogood all right? All right, It's
like Matthew McConaughey, do you guysare like, alright, alrd a ride

(54:04):
ade He's high school Girls. Sorry, so creepy, But I still love
that movie. Yes, I watchedit on a plane recently. I think
maybe coming back from Ralie, Iwas like, oh, Daisy confused is
one of the options. Yeah,that's a very good plane movie. Yeah.
I don't think I've ever seen thatmovie. What you'd like it?

(54:27):
Nothing happens. It's a great movie. Literally, nothing happens. Awesome?
Cool? All right? Like thelife? Yeah? All right, so
our this comes from the Facebook groupthat's Facebook dot com slash groups, lash
Jay and Jack groups. We alsohave a Facebook page. If you search
for the broadcast or the broadcast witha Manishani and Colleen, you should find

(54:49):
us. So, Janni says,is anyone else hoping Leslie Nope shows up
at a Monterey City council meeting?I am hoping that Leslie Nope shows up
percent of the time in all situations. She could show up anywhere and it
would be the best day of mylife. It would be then. Can
you imagine that clash though between herand these characters there like more like diametrically

(55:14):
opposed character. I was so there. Yeah, I would love to watch
Lessie Note face off against any Idon't even think that any of these women
even know what a cow zone is. Okay, definitely not, definitely not.

(55:38):
They probably don't eat whipped cream,no pancakes. No pancakes. Yeah,
maybe the paleo ones. They sellthose at costcore. The ones that
you make out have just like mashedup bananas. Yes, I've seen those
on the Pinterest or anyway, Sorry, getting back to the feedback identisist.

(55:59):
So this is okay. Dennis isabout to comment on our question last week
about jurisdiction of where Gordon would havebeen kept, and Dennis says he answered
the call today. The boundaries ofthe Northern District of California encompass fifteen counties.
Alameda, Shandy, why don't youread the counties. I'm probably gonna

(56:21):
get some of them wrong too,But Alameda, Contraquesta del Norte, Humboldt,
Lake Marin, Mendocino, Monterey,NAPAs, Benito, San Francisco,
Samteo, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, and Sonoma. The court has four
courthouses in San Francisco, Oakland,San Jose, and Urreica, fourteen district
judge ships also known as Article threejudge ships, and twelve magistrate judge ships.

(56:46):
The closest to Monterrie is the SanJose Federal Courthouse, which is probably
like an hour and twenty minutes awayfrom here, which houses three Article three
federal judges and three magistrate judges.The Marshal Service pays state and local governments
for housing federal prisoners until they areconvicted and assigned a federal prison. The

(57:07):
Marshal Service is dependent upon state orlocal governments for the provision of detention space
and services for federal prisoners. Insupport of this requirement, agreements are established
with local and state governments willing toprovide detention space for federal prisoners. There
we go, cool, Thank youDennis, Thank you Dennis, and then
Dennis finishes. Sorry if I don'tknow this, Sorry if I should know

(57:30):
this, I don't. But dowe know how Perry's brother died? We
know there was an accident, butwe don't know what caused it. Yeah.
I'm still convinced that it's less ofa freak accident and more of a
person caused accident, more of aParry accident, m per accident. Yeah.

(57:52):
See, I think that there's acase to be made for it to
be Perry, a case to bemade for it to be Mary Louise,
and a case for it to bemade that it was even their father.
Yes, yes, no, Iagree with that. Yeah. I also
think there's a case to be madethat, given Mary Louise's level of denial
and creating stories in her head,that it could have actually been just an

(58:13):
accident, and then she like youknow, kind of imposed her will upon
Perry growing up because of this otherthing that it just kind of messed with
him too. I think that there'sI think there's many ways that this could
go. Yeah, and we mightnot even learn it this season. They
need to save some things for seasonthree three. I don't know. I'm

(58:35):
sure there will be there's money,right, and we'll put it out if
we put it out in the universe. Yeah, yeah, secret it into
existence. I can't imagine they're notbeing a season three right from your lips
to HBO's ears. Elightly, goingback to feedback for this episode, Mike
Bloom says, I'm assuming you,like all of us, needed a screenshot

(59:00):
to truly question what drove Jane tothat hairstyle this season, right because I
had posted a like a screen shotand asked the patrons to guess what was
going on, and it happened justto be like Jane, I am going
to apparently be in the minority whenI say I really like her haircut.

(59:20):
Nope, I'm from Long Island.I'm doing her any favors. It is
not like I said, I'm fromLong Island. I know bad bangs,
and those are bad bangs. Ihad bad bangs for the first like thirty
three years in my life. Ithink it looks really good on her,
and I love the color and Ilike the new look. But yeah,
okay, I'm the only color.I think it's a little dark. But

(59:45):
I can forgive the color. Thebanks are just they're too blunt. It
just yeah, I don't know.I'm more of a subtle person. I'm
not that blunt. So right,you know, it's something to be said
when the more lighthearted moments of anepisode discussion is criticizing a woman's looks,

(01:00:12):
when we're like, let's go backto that. That being said, I
will straight up, girl, Idon't like your banks. Yeah, well
I am hashtag team Jane's Banks.Oh no, I like James Banks.
I wish I wish this was anepisode of the broadcast, so I can

(01:00:36):
name the episode Jane's Banks. Wecould, we could. We need to
talk about it tomorrow, talk abouttoday tomorrow, and then there we go,
there we go, there we go. Continuing on, as Susan said,
as a teacher, I'd like togive a shout out to the principal
and teacher for not becoming violent withRnata or calling the cops on her.

(01:01:00):
And can we give all these ladiesEmmy's now, especially Meryl Streep and Laura
Dern. Laura Dern is playing crazyon a whole new level. Why can't
she can't see why her child mayhave anxiety? Oh that's right, it's
the school's fault and her husband's thought. Agreed, I agreed, But she

(01:01:22):
goes back to I know she's great, which we didn't point out. Like
on the roundtable that they had umthey talk about, you know, children
being very impressionable on their parents,and just like we see Max has got
violent tendencies like his father, poorAmabella is being affected by her mother's anxiety.

(01:01:45):
Totally. So, Jacob said,the principle became my favorite character,
uncomfortably fast Goad MVP in the episode, he really had a moment I want
I don't smoke, and I wantedto go have a cigarette with him.

(01:02:06):
Well, and I will say,like speaking of people like finding or refinding
their voices, like I feel likehe's come a long way from Yes,
he's in one where he was likevery much intimidated by all of these moms
and now he's like, oh mygod, that's right. We didn't even
talk about what Nana said to himwhere she was like, uh, pretends

(01:02:28):
like he doesn't smoke anymore, hasn'tbeen laid in fourteen years. He did
not deny that. I wondered aboutthat because I was like, oh,
she knew what the smoking thing,so right, yeah, right about it
all she actually know? Yeah.Yeah. She might not be good at
like reading herself, but apparently shecan read others. Yeah. Yeah.

(01:02:51):
And then we got an email fromDennis who said I found it rather odd
that Jane would sit with her rapistmother and look through childhood photos, commenting
how much her son looked like herrapist. I'd be interested in hearing your
thoughts. Well, it wasn't herrapist. The son looked a lot like
her rapist brother, who died underserious circumstances, for whatever that's worth.

(01:03:14):
And yeah, I mean we kindof covered this, but like, power
to Jane for sitting there and beingblunt about it, not letting Mary Louise
gaslight her. But also that wasawful. Yeah, and I think,
as you said, we'd sort ofalready had have discussed it, But yeah,
I think it also hearkens back towhat we were saying about the complexity

(01:03:37):
of this show and that nothing iscompletely good and nothing is completely bad.
That like to be able to havethat really hard conversation and do it in
a really kind way or does maturemature is probably mature way, I think
is really important. Yeah, Iagreed. As an emotional person and not

(01:04:02):
a Jane, I have to sayI would not have been able to sit
there. So yeah, that bad? Does it? For the feedback?
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the broadcasters three at gmail dot comor three through one two seventy six two

(01:04:26):
three seven three. All right,so now it's time for everybody's favorite segment,
the local Talk, Shandy's Local DripListle Drip whatever. Okay, So
the first thing was that scene betweenCorey and Jane where they're walking after their
date and it looks like, youknow, happening hip town. Yeah,

(01:04:51):
that was interesting because I guess,like, I think it helps that they
sort of really blur the background.And the only reason that I noticed they
were doing that was because I wasconstantly looking to try to like figure out
where, you know, where they'refilming and stuff. But it certainly makes
it look a lot more happening.But I think that they're on Lighthouse Avenue,

(01:05:14):
and my new favorite thing is likescreenshot versus picture, so I'll have
to go down there. And Ithink even like one of the restaurants behind
them, I think I like recognizedthe logo. It's like a circle,
So I'll try to find that andmaybe post a picture. But that was
fun. And there's definitely a Montereybus that goes by that's like a legit

(01:05:38):
Monterrey bus. Yeah, um inthat street. Then the other thing was
that opening scene that they came backto a couple of times with Madaline and
Celeste talking in the car. Yeah, that is one at Point Point Lobos,
which is it's like a it's astate park and natural reserve that's really

(01:06:01):
close to here, and it's alsoreally close to like where they're sort of
like filming home base was. It'sclose also to where they filmed my scene.
But it's a really beautiful little likea gem of a park, and
it was just interesting because like youcan tell instantly in that parking lot there

(01:06:23):
that they're in. Um, that'sa place where like people a lot of
people go and dive from there.It's like a can go dive and so
it's like this little like cove rightthere where they're parked. Um, but
it's interesting because I so once Irealized that, I was like looking through
my phone. I go to thisplace like fairly often to run or to

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hike, and I have just likeso many pictures of it. But I
couldn't find a picture of this particularplace because it is it is a ridiculously
gorgeous little park, but like thatplace where they're at, that's like just
it's not the prettiest of the it'sjust not the it's not the place you
really take pictures of. I did, find, however, on my phone,

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a picture from basically the other sideof the cove, looking towards where
they would have been parked. SoI will post that, and then I'll
post a couple of the other picturesI have of that place, just to
show that it's just funny that theywere parked there. I mean, I
guess it's a place that you canpark, so it worked for that.

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But it's just it's just like insuch a beautiful places, it just happens
to not be as remarkable as therest of it. And then the other
thing that I thought was interesting,we saw Jane's apartment this time pretty clearly.
And that too, I like immediatelyrecognized I've seen those apartments before from
the beach. It makes sense becausewe've seen her on that beach before running

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Those apartments are like literally on thebeach, like I've seen them from the
beach. But my immediate thought wasthose are so expensive, so I looked
them up. Could not have fourththat on whatever she's doing at the aquarium,
she certainly couldn't. I mean evenher little house like we talked about
last when we talked about the firstseason. We talked about how expensive that

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little house would have been. Butthese apartments even more so, like it's
literally on the beach, so Iloot them up. There are currently fourteen
condos for sale and three for rent, so if anyone's interested, they are
furnished, which I thought was interesting. Oh my god, that's like my
dream is to have a furnished apartment. Yeah. Sorry, so rental prices,

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I only found one bedrooms for rentals. I found two options one bedroom,
one bath, eight hundred and seventeensquare feet, three thousand dollars per
month. But if you're renting monthto month, it's three thousand, five
hundred and then for some reason,the other one was one bedroom, one
bath, seven hundred and eighty fivesquare feet, so a little bit smaller.

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Three thousand, eight hundred per month. I'm guessing maybe it has a
better view. Yeah. Um,so it's like nearly four thousand dollars per
month, and Jane's a single mother. Yeah, you know, working at
an aquarium is a very supritive business. I mean that who go into the
aquarium sinuses me thinks that she's beencatching more of those checks, and so

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logical, yes, and there's anotherfairy tale of television, right if,
however, she sprung to buy oneof them. Um, you can buy
a five hundred and eleven square feetone bedroom condo there for about four hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. Oh that'shill. If however, you want,

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let's say, like a two bedroom, because you know it is her and
her son two bedroom, twelve hundredsquare feet, you're looking at eight hundred
thousand. Oh my goodness. Yeah, and now you know why I don't
own an money. Yeah, Brooklynprices there. Yeah yeah, so um,
that was funny. I would tryto get a picture of those two,

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but it's like gated, so Ican maybe go to the beach though,
m I'm sure they have not gottensick of that people coming up to
the big little eyes. But yeah, and then there was one last thing.
Um, I think I've mentioned thisbefore. They have gone to a
place with like these cool like forlike a drink, like in the evening,

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when there's like fire pits, andlike it looks like a fun place
to hang out. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, Like I can't
figure out where this is. AndI think I even said and when we
talked about season one, it remindsme um of a place, and I
was not wrong. Um. Ihappened upon an article today in people dot
com and it talks about all thedifferent places in Monterey that you can visit,

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and they mentioned that place. Itis not it's a set, it's
not an actual place, but it'smodeled after this restaurant eighteen thirty three,
which unfortunately has since closed, butapparently. Yeah, it's a huge bummer.
I really liked it. Their foodwas mediocre, but they had excellent
drinks and just like a really coollocale. It was in this really big
historic house and there were fire pitsin the front yard that you could sit

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in and then in the actual house, they had like different rooms. There
was one that was like the livingroom and you would like sit on couches
and it was just it was areally really cool place to hang out.
It's too bad that it too badthat it closed, But apparently the cast
really liked that place too, andthey modeled that. Yeah, interesting tidbit.

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Yeah that's really cool. Thank you, Shandy. Can't wait for I
can't wait for the episode where you'regonna tell us all about your actual local.
I think it also, I thinkit might be next week. I
think. Yeah, there's a shotof the two of them in it looks
like like a camp bed. Yeah, there is no I think that they're

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somewhere out of there there every day. I think I am going to predict
that it happens within the next fourepisodes. I think you're correct, but
I really do. Yeah, Ithink it's going to be next episode.
Very ready, very exciting. I'mso excited. I can't Yeah, all

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right, let's move into the musicthere. There wasn't a whole lot of
music this episode, right, wasn'ta whole lot of music. And I
think the one thing that I triedto look up and maybe it's it's not
a real song that exists, butsong that Bonnie's mom is singing to her
daughter in the very beginning. Yeah, I couldn't find that anywhere in the

(01:12:48):
interwebs as to really, so ifanyone knows it right in, let us
know. I thought it was sucha beautiful scene, and every other recap
I've come across that it has outlinedthe music of the episode did not include
that, so I don't know.Maybe it's just something they made up for

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the episode, But that was actuallymy favorite musical moment of the entire episode,
So I was I was really bummedthat I couldn't find any info about
it. Yeah, if anybody outthere knows, please let us know.
Amanda would love to sing it foryou. I would love to sing it
for you. But I actually reallyliked the closing sequence I did too,

(01:13:33):
Yeah, dreaming My Dreams with Youby Cowboy Junkies. Yes, I don't
know the song, but I likedit. I thought that it kind of
fit well with everybody's different, youknow, things that they were going through.
Yeah, I think it had justlike a real, well dream dreamlike
quality, as as the title ofthe song would would indicate but I think

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it also did a really good jobof kind of crystallizing how all of our
characters are kind of being set upat the beginning of like a journey that's
going to take them into the restof the season, like sort of everyone
is kind of on a path.Yea. The only other one, only
other song moment within the show thatalso really jumped out to me was when

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Madeline and Abigail we're talking in Abigail'sroom, they were playing keep on Loving
You Buy Cigarettes after sex, andI didn't realize until I went and was
like looking it up afterward. Itis a cover of an Ario Speedwagon song

(01:14:39):
that like I'm Gonna keep Bone Loveand you Oh my god, you never
hear the chorus or it's playing lowenough that I didn't register that. It
was like, oh, that's justlike some cool hip song. But but
no, it's just it is acool hip song, but it's a cool
hip cover of yeah, let's goodsong. And I just blew my mind,

(01:15:03):
like, yeah, I don't necessarily, I mean yes, the sort
of levels of like you know's Ed'snot going to leave you, Like everything's
gonna be okay, Yeah, youknow, like the thematically the song works,
but I think just as a song, I really love how the show
really utilizes really interesting covers and reallyunique Yeah they do, they do do

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that. Thank you, Amna Yaymusic. Huzza huzza. I think yeah,
that about does it for our episodetonight. Thank you to everybody that
contributed to our feedback. Thank youto the patrons as always again you like
to become patre and go do patriondot com slash Jane jack especial. Thank

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you to the patrons that contribute toa certain level, and that would be
Tach from Tokyo, Ed kart Richner, Maggie, the Magnificent Joanne with a
plan, break the distributor and addthe creepymailman. Ed, who is not
the one that's married too different?D? Yeah, not the I'll have

(01:16:12):
coffee with Bonnie Ed a different Ed. I'll be as bad as I want
to be. Yeah yeah, Ed, I'll stalk you like you have my
grandchild. D just kidding, Ed, I love you. You're probably not
even listening to this now, butyeah, all right, Well on that
note, thank you guys so muchfor listening. Again. If you have

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and uh I think that's it.Uh. Well, on that note,
thanks for listening. My name isColleen, my name is Amanda, and

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I'm Shandy. Bye everybody, peaceout. Yeah,