Broad Little Lies Ep. 1.4: "She Knows"

While Amanda is away on vacation, Shandy and Colleen are joined by special guest Angela Bloom to discuss HBO's "Big Little Lies," season 2, episode 4, "She Knows."

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Episode Transcript

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Hello, and welcome to Broad LittleLies with Amanda, Shandy and Colleen.
My name is Colleen and I'm Shandy. And you might have noticed that Amanda
is missing. She is having funat the beach right now. I believe
she had like a personal chef comingto like cooked them all tonight. But
we have a super special surprise guest, and that is Da Da Da Da,

(01:19):
the wonderful Angela. Hey, what'sup? Not Amanda but another A,
So another A. Then do nothave a personal chef cooking for me
tonight? Unfortunately, that sounds great. I think it was like a birthday
gift or something for her sister inlaw or something. But anyway, gosh,

(01:41):
I know she left us a voicemail, so we will get to that
a little bit later in the show. But if you guys might remember that
Angela joined us for our season oneBig Little Lies centric episode that was released
on the Feed a couple of weeksago, so she should be a familiar
face, a familiar voice to everybody. Yeah that was so long ago too,

(02:05):
It's like, it's so crazy tothink about. But yeah, that's
weird. That was two years ago. That was before I was even pregnant
with Alex and before you were pregnantwith Asher. Clearly we've had children,
We've had children in between. Wecould we could all move to Monterey and
live with Shandy in California and raiseour children. No, we shouldn't do

(02:30):
that. That only I who wouldbe? Which character? I don't think
any of its should be any ofthose characters I want to be. If
I can wear that leg, ifI can go to the Amabel's party,

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then I'll move there. Dude,that party was I'm not gonna lie.
I was really jealous that I wasn'tat that party, and I was trying
to wonder, could I do thatAlex's second birthday party because he's too little
to know the difference. Yeah,you could do it, but we cannot
pull it off as well as theycould. That's true, we just couldn't.
It was produced by Hollywood. Thewhole season was worth it for that

(03:13):
party. Like, yeah, ifI was fine, I know, I
kind of wish that I had adaughter right now, so I could wear
matching mommy daughter like gold Oscar dresses. It's cute. I'm so cute it.
I mean, you could just likemother boy it up, or you

(03:34):
could wear like jumpsuits, like,um, like those what do they call?
I forgot they're call But you coulddo like matching like jumpsuits. That's
true. Yeah, yeah, it'stotally true. Be like a little Cartridge
family. You could all wear matchingoutfits. Right, Well, Zach won't
do it anymore because he's five,But Alex, the window is slowly closing.

(03:54):
I think I've gotten told do itif you tell two and a half,
yeah, I know, yeah right, you will not not wear this
jumpsuit. I have to. Yeah. Good times anyway, hot takes before
we get into a deeper discussion.Uh, what do you guys think?

(04:15):
Quick reactions? The slap heard aroundthe world. Yeah, yikes. Well,
this episode I felt was definitely betterthan last week's episode. I don't
know, in my opinion, Iliked it more, there's more going on,
Okay, liked it for the party. The party was great. Um,

(04:38):
I was so expecting, like forthe whole week to be in this
episode and I wasn't. So okay, you know, they definitely tried to
get us in it with the typelike she knows you know, like what
does she like? I think theytried to make us feel like maybe Mary
about like or what's her face?Mary Louise, um like knows a lie,

(05:00):
like knows that he was pushed.I think you were trying to get
I think it's it's Actually it's interestingbecause I was trying to figure out after
he watched it, who is theshe? And she knows? Is it
Mary Louise? Is it Detective Quinlin? Is it Elizabeth? Like so many
she has visions, Yeah, likewho is the she that knows? It's
clearly not Madeline or Celestue because rightnow girlfriends aren't knowing anything. Or maybe

(05:26):
it's maybe it could be Madeline,like she knows like she fucked up.
Maybe I don't know, but Ithink that's a little too vague. Um
Celeste doesn't know anything. She's trippingon ambiend. Oh my goodness. Yeah,
Um, I don't know. Maybeit's Sky she knows she's doomed by

(05:46):
her genetics or Amabella. She's likethat poor little girl is so sweet looking.
She's so sweet looking, and shejust looks so miserable throughout most of
the episode. I last week withjust had me rolling with doctor what's her
name, doctor bo peep yap orwhatever her name was, Yeah, doctor

(06:09):
pep or whatever. Oh I know. I was like, that's gonna be
ashure, it's gonna be my son, Like what are his anxieties? Well,
he's mostly just worried about the datechange. Like yeah, all right,
well, you know somebody's got tobe worried about climate change. If
it's not our parents, it's ourchildren. Yeah. Right, Before we

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awkward part of the episode. Ifeel like this is everybody else's like pea

(07:15):
break time, Like it's their commercialbreak where I'm like, I'm flexed for
bringing a patron. UM don't peoplejust pee while they listen to podcasts?
Probably true, unless you have likea heavy pea stream and they have to
pause it. Maybe maybe anyways,all right, um, yeah, so

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let's I guess get into Oh actually, we have some feedback about last week's
before we go into it. Um. The first thing is we had made
fun of a bit, and wealso made fun of it on the broadcast
our other podcast that Cheney, Amandaand I Do. Yeah. Well,
Angela has also been on it aswell. Um, hashtag said that Dragon

(08:03):
with No Friends hashtag yess, Ohmy gosh, just throw back. Two
thirds of y'all have been making funof the thing you're about to say that
you're making fun of. Yes,yes, yes, two of the three
of us did not like. Wehad a discussion last week on Jane's Banks
and Shalene Woodward. Is that hername woodardwd Woodley Shallene Woodley gave name awesome,

(08:33):
great podcasting guys. That was allon me though, because her name
is in front of me and Icouldn't read it. She even interviewed with
the Hollywood Reporter and the question wasJane's new banks were your ideas? What
does her season two look? Representand she responded, I've been in this
position in my life where after amajor breakup, triumph or celebration, or

(08:56):
after a big change, a lotof people alter the way they look.
I know for myself, it's alwaysbeen haircuts and piercings. It's been my
way of moving forward in new chaptersof my life. I felt that for
Jane, she's carried this weight ofnot feeling in her own body because of
what happened to her for eight years, so she felt disconnected from her own
identity on not just an emotional andmental level, but a physical level as

(09:20):
well. At the end of Seasonone, where Perry died, I felt
like, maybe two or three weeksafter that incident, she would have woken
up one morning, looked at herselfin the mirror and thought, quote,
this isn't who I am anymore.The monster is gone, and I'm not
going to let him live in meor control me any longer. In that
moment, I felt like she tooka pair of scissors and cut her banks
herself, and then she went throughher closet and gathered up almost everything and

(09:43):
took it to the nearest clothing swapstore and donated it. And got new
clothes in order to re establish andbe in control of her identity again.
I felt like this would be herreclaiming her space, even if it was
a subconscious decision, because this ghosthas been a part of her identity for
so long had left them on aphysical level. Okay, okay, look

(10:03):
respect to that, but they stilllook ugly. Yeah, no, Like,
I get it. It's a choice. I get it. She cut
her own bangs fair. So shecut them, and then she got home
from the clothing swap and she lookedin the mirror and was like, oh
no, and she got a bobbypin and she pinned them back. And

(10:28):
now they're growing out, and they'regrowing does when they cut their own bangs,
I've done. I've gotten bangs before. This is my Okay, this
is my take on bangs. Firstof all, are very few people can
pull off bangs. They are veryfew. I'm from Long Island. No,
they are not there. It's veryyour right, very few, very

(10:50):
few people. And so I've gottenbangs before, Like when I was younger,
I had bangs. Like whatever youget banks in your life, it
happens. I've gotten bangs, andlike immediately I'm gonna say, within weeks
of getting bangs, you try togrow them out, and what you do
is you clip them back, youpull them back, and you bobby pin
them. So I don't know,the fact that she still has the banks

(11:11):
is just it's frustrating. It theyjust don't look good. Like if she's
like, cool, you cut yourown bangs, You're changing your luck,
You're reclaiming yourself. Right, It'sjust thought, it's not the right luck.
I know, guy her red Bob. I do agree because I had
bangs for thirty three years and Iam now thirty five, and you know

(11:31):
something, they did not work forme once I graduated middle school. So
I will still continue to be theminority voice, although there are some people
in the comments who agree with me, who liked the look, and I
think they look good on her.But that's okay. We don't have to
agree about her banks. I willnot have to. This episode. I

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turned to Mike and I was justlike, oh, she looks so good
in this episode at the party,and I realized this because the wig I
had scar. Yeah. I waslike, oh, she looks so cute,
like her bangs are covered. Yeah. Well, you know, he
hates bangs. Hates them in aworld, so does James. In a
world where women our rights are beingyou know, threatened more and more every

(12:18):
day, we still have the rightto make the choice to have terrible bangs.
So yeah, let's let's rock that, ladies. Sure she can have
the terrible bangs. I don't haveto like them exactly, but it's kind
I think that that's a big partof it. I will say that Jamie

(12:41):
Joe agreed with Shandy, and shesaid in the comments on the Facebook page,
Jane's bangs are fantastic. They aredefinitely not for every face shape,
but they suit her. I evensaid to my husband, I'm jealous of
her ability to work that style sowell, rocking her inner Betty page now,
the way she wears rests hat,pull that hat down and actually wear

(13:01):
it. Her style is interesting,that's for sure. But so you weren't
alone, Shanty were not. Ifeel like there is even there was somebody
else too. I think that therewas of us. There are tons of
us, There are dozens of uswell, and it is refreshing to hear

(13:24):
that it was thought through and itwasn't just like right some random choice to
have her like change your hair.So I mean there is big little eyes
we're talking about, Like, Ifeel like we can assume that. Yeah,
probably everything. Yeah, yeah,awesome. Okay, just a couple
more things to wrap up for lastweek. Axel Folly said, been enjoying

(13:48):
your podcast. We're covering it aswell. Wait, hold on, Angel,
do you have access to this document? Do you want access to it?
Because I don't. Okay, I'mjust I'm enjoying listening to your voice.
Okay, great, Really so manypeople don't. I'm good. I
don't want to mess up the internet, so don't share it. Fantastic,

(14:11):
all right, Axel, Folly say, has been enjoying your podcast. We're
covering the show as well. Maybewe can team up for a season wrap
up. Well, like I toldAxel, we're down. We like,
Yeah, we like to talk.We'll talk with you. Actually, I
love Actel. He's one of myfavorite podcasters. So stay tuned for that,
guys. Christie said, and Ithink this is something Shandy you might

(14:35):
have wanted to speak on later aswell. Jane's apartment, she said,
is Jane's apartment building the same apartmentbuilding that Celeste was looking at renting last
year. Maybe she took over herlease. Yeah, and that's something that
Teas actually pointed out to me too. And it's totally true that the apartment
building that Celast visits is in theseapartments. And so now I have to

(14:58):
wonder again, Like we were justsaying, like everything in Big Little Eyes
is thought out, but I couldsee this either being there's like some we're
meant to understand some subtexts of likeokay, maybe she took over Celes's lease,
or just like the location scouts werelike, you should really use this.
Yeah, get well, now thatthere's the tie between Mary Louise branching

(15:22):
an up space in that same building, it might be more the second one.
Yeah, because I feel like itwould be too much if it was
like Celeste gave it to Jane andnow it's also it would be like three
things would be like a lot.But yeah, location scouts got a really
good deal on it. Yeah.Jane however to deal on it, and

(15:43):
the jury is still out on howshe's affording that. But m well money,
uh. Speaking of Shandy's expertise,Dennis said, could there be a
Big Little Lies tour company in Shandyand Frank's future? Once the series is
over. They do have that inHawaii for loss residents that will give tours

(16:04):
for oh really nights. Take advantage. Yeah, you know capitalism, baby,
get that money. That's definitely shandy. That is so shandy. Well,
I did have a failed attempt ata tour company, and so that's
kind of ironic. Okay, Yeah, And then to finish up, I'm

(16:32):
sorry, here is shandy. Wemissed this before, Gail said, just
caught up. I know there's alot of talk about Jane's new hairdo.
I was ready to hate it,but it was just the opposite. I
love it. Gail for the wind. I knew there was somebody else.
Love your girl. Thank you.If it's two people, it's just a
coincidence. If it's three, we'reonto something, right, dozens of us?

(16:56):
There are now dozens of you.It's like with the AP though only
print when they have two, likeyou know, confirmed sources. Now you've
got two other people that are withyou. There we go. All right,
let's get into the actual discussion forthis episode. Where do we Where
do we start? Um? Wecan start with manteline this time, since

(17:17):
we usually savor to the end.UM, we kick off the episode with
her having a nightmare about that nightand then her episode her you know,
next few days don't get any better. No, I feel like she been
doing a really good job this seasonbecause she's doing a lot of She was

(17:37):
very one note in the previous season. It was all like one level,
just very sort of like like movingtrain, just NonStop, NonStop, NonStop,
And now she's like hit this wallof like it isn't gonna be okay,
Like I can't fix this, yes, and what do I do?
So I do feel like she's givinga great performance in that regard. So

(18:02):
I'm loving her um really showing herOscar worthy chops. Yes, there is
that one scene where it's like NicoleKidman and Meryl Streep and and Greese Fathershrman.
You're like, these are three justlike stellar Oscar winners, and you're
just like, what the heck isgoing on right now? Yes? And

(18:23):
yeah, even though the scene that'sthe one at the end where she comes
in and she's like I think weneed to have a discussion and Madeline is
like, oh, does this meanyou want me to leave? Like even
in that small little interaction, you'relike Queen's yes, yeah, Yeah,
They're like the everything just has soshe's just killing it. I don't know

(18:48):
she no, she is like andit's I think that Ed kind of has
done a good day sort of narratingit to us in that you know,
he points out like this is pretending, Um, you have two levels.
It's like you know you're a peeror you know you're not, Like there's
no in between with you. AndI think that we're seeing her kind of

(19:10):
fight between both where she probably isgoing to be forced to learn, like
to grow right as a character tofind that in between because we have discovering
it right right. And then asfar as Madeline goes, because we've I
kind of felt like she clearly iswants to work with Ed and he's clearly

(19:32):
still hurt and you know whether ornot he's being because a kind of a
dick to her, like clearly ifhe's like just punishing her or if he
actually is out on the relationship right, but quite certain, you know,
but yeah, but they I thinkit was kind of telltale where at the
end of the episode he was like, UM, you know, are you

(19:53):
okay? And she was like,just tell me, like if you're if
you're leaving, just yeah, likeyou know she kind of had given up,
and that was what I think.Sometimes it's like, you know,
you fight, you fight, youhave a fight with somebody and you know
you're like you you finally just goyou know what, you win, like
I I you win, and thenlike twenty seconds later they're like, Okay,
you win, you can have youknow whatever. It is Like I

(20:15):
didn't mean it. I just wantedyou to, like say, you know
that I want. I don't knowexactly, Yeah, no, I agree.
Okay, Well there's that scene wherehe comes home and she's just like
manic in the kitchen like yea,like her like season one Madeline, Yeah,
like you this is and it madeit like very very clear how well
she's been acting the season, becauseyou're like, oh, she hasn't been

(20:38):
acting like this at all this season. Yeah, you're like, oh,
she's totally different. So it's kindof very interesting and like super fair point
on his part too, like wherewhere was that fire for him? Yeah?
Yeah, which I thought was reallyinteresting. Um, but yeah,
I don't think Ed's going anywhere.No, he even said they still here.

(21:00):
Yeah. Yeah, the so farA big deal. Whenever it's fine,
that's a big deal, a hugedeal. Um, you know,
he said like I'm still here.Yeah, you know. I think was
like, you're saying calling that's veryum, very telling. And then I

(21:22):
liked how they did set this upbecause again I was convinced I was gonna
be in this episode, but itwould have felt really rushed. And so
this is they've planted the seed.She was like, I heard about this
thing in Big Sir, and heyou know, doesn't really he like brushes
it off at first, but sheput she planned to the seed. She
planned the seed. Then you findout that at the party that he agreed
to go, where she tells Celesteand yaps camping. Yeah, they're going

(21:49):
to the couple's camping. So she's, yeah, I missed it the first
time, and I caught it thesecond time. Then she says they're yeah,
they're gonna go, and then butI felt terrible. Yeah, and
where she you know, tries tolike snuggle him and like make a move
yeah, and hey yeah, Likeit was like not even just snuggling though.

(22:10):
I think she was trying to like, yeah, oh yeah, she
was trying to start sexy time,yeah, which I think was maybe a
little far. I think if ithad been of a romantic situation. Maybe
he will have been more open tothat, like maybe they can huddle yea,
yeah, exactly one step at atime. Madeline right UMIs yikes.

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I've been watching a lot of LoveIsland and preparation for the American versions,
so it was very reminiscently and thenas far as Ed just to wrap it
up. If this Madeline thing doesn'twork out, I'm kind of here for
the Bonnie and Ed spinoff. Ohshipping it for sure. Great, she

(22:53):
can do better, she can dobetter. I'm really glad they were getting
that much of Na than the seasonbecause he was so boring, Like he's
so just like vanilla toast, likeit just like kind of note is that
for him? The fact that heis like, you know, rich jar
of mayonnaise kind of is what makesme feel like that is what didn't work

(23:15):
out with him and Madeleine to beginwith, Yeah that you know, she's
like spicyo, Like she's like spicymustard and he's like mayonnaise. So but
then where like what condiment is editingall of this yellow mustard? I think
there's there's more substance to Ed thanlike meets horse Radish. Yeah, I

(23:36):
mean, Madeleine can at least havelike an intelligent conversation with him? Yeah,
yeah, can you try to?And he just like pawns you off
on somebody else, you know,like he tries to talk to body and
he's like it's not working. Letme see if ED can talk to her,
or like no, dude, stillnot working, so I'll call her
mom. And meanwhile getting a physicalaltercation with Ed. By the way,

(23:57):
that was so funny awkward, becauseI do think that they were just kind
of like not at like like itseemed like it was still kind of at
that like joking level where it wasn'tlike animosity yet. But Ranada, of
course was so funny. She's like, this is just happiness today, like

(24:17):
babies. You know. I loveher. She's probably my favorite character this
season. Ranada. I even killingit. I Am read a blog post
that called that, uh the quote. It was something like Laura durn is
acting like she's in a Spanish soapoppera this season. Yeah, it was

(24:40):
like she is the Medusa of Monterey. She is Monterey. She's fucking Shakespearean,
Okay, she is, she isshe just like I guess, I
mean we're not really talking about herquite it, but wow, let's talk
about her. W um. Shejust looks on her face when they were
being driven back to Monterey from frombankruptcy court, right, she's talking about

(25:07):
how like Amabella is going to houndjust like a wonderful day, Like whoa
it was. It was pretty psycho. Yeah, was well. Her explanation
to her husband as to like why, yeah, she's having such like a
react this whole thing was probably thescene of the whole season so far for

(25:27):
me. That was that was agreat scene. And I think that that
kind of explains all the other actions. Sorry, go ahead. Her entire
character explains her entire character. She'sjust like, yeah, why she cares
so much about everything about Ammabella andlike why all this matters so much to
her? And all these crazy partiesthat she throws from her and it's just

(25:48):
like it was epic. And whenthey asked for her wedding ring and then
like, uh oh, I knowI felt that, um. But what
I loved also about her answer toum to Gordon was that like, in
the very beginning of her answer,you think that she's not gonna like really
be implicating him as much and youthink that maybe this is her thawing on

(26:10):
like their relationship issues now. Thenshe just digs in, yeah, it's
always about it, and she's like, and it's always a man and she's
just like, and I always andit's pure yeah, And I was like,
yeah, I forget exactly what she'stalking to um, even when she's
talking to like Celeste and Jane.Later she's just like or Madeleine later and

(26:34):
she's just like, and they andwe always stay, don't stay, always
stay. I actually wrote this down, so she said, they betray us
and we stay. They lie,they cheat on us, and we stay.
And then she cuts it off becauseMadeleine's like, did you really just
say that? Out last She's like, I did, I did, I

(26:56):
did, but we just stopped talking. But I do think that Ranada does
definitely have feelings for Gordon still somewherein there, because she you see,
like she doesn't want to oh,I know that status is a big thing
for her, but she doesn't wantto give up the wedding ring. And
then you had that scene of her, like that very silent scene in the

(27:17):
bathroom where she takes it off andshe just has a flashback of having to
give the ring and the keys overand then you know, she has the
image of Amabella in her head,so you can, to me, I
understood that as reality was kind ofhitting her, and she was also a

(27:37):
mourning like not only not being richanymore, like the tesla being taken away,
but she was mourning what she couldn'tgive to Amabella anymore, and she
was feeling sad about the wedding ringbecause she did. You know, I
think that she will get to apoint where she could forgive him, and
I think she knows that, butI mean, I don't know. I'd
probably be like her where I'd belike, mmmm, well because it's like,

(28:00):
oh, he's not the same personanymore at this point, Like it's
like if he could do that toher knowing that she basically all of that
money was like her build like sacrificingtime and sacrificing like everything to give because
it's she brought that in. Yeah, yeah, definitely, Well uh yeah,

(28:25):
we're Oh, I was gonna say, we're not ahead. Um,
I think I think, yes,she realizes that, and I think that
when she was talking about you know, we stay uh but then um,
when she told him, you know, just men not taking like taking advantage
of my shit or whatever making myshit worthless. It was just a man
making my shit worthless. I thinkwe're definitely seeing Ranaa go through all of

(28:51):
the fields at once, and Idon't think that she has properly come to
terms yet with what happened the nightof the chair. Yeah, and then
what's happening right now to her marriage, and what's happening right now to her
daughter, and what's happening right nowwith her money. And I think we're
starting to slit about her past too, yeah, you know, which I
think that we might see more of, if not this season, next season,

(29:15):
because then we heard about like areyour parents you know? Yeah,
exactly, because it's like if ifshe's like it's always a man that takes
it away from you, Like whatdoes that mean? Like yeah, like
what's that about? Nada? Sothat's why it's vicious language. We've gotten
a lot of foreshadowing over the lastfour episodes, and I think that we're

(29:38):
going to get a lot. Maybewe're not doing were not a parent storyline
this season because we've got some otherlike moms in the picture, but I
could see that coming into play nextseason, Yeah, for sure. And
then other great Granado lines of thenight were it's better that we don't have
to sit around those penniless losers asthough they're not us. Right, Oh,

(30:06):
where's some others? Oh the lawyerwho was like people followed for bankruptcy
all the time, some even goon to become president. Yep, we
laughed a lot at that. Um, that was true. We had the
botox admission forty two hundred dollars forbotox. That's a lot of money.

(30:27):
I'm telling you. These Monerny hospitalsare expensive. They must be because I
don't know what the ballpark is forbotox. But that was that was hilarious.
I believe that sounds I mean,I guess that I don't know,
so I I have had botox beforein my head, but that was for
micraines, right. I don't knowif it's calculated the same, but it

(30:48):
would be covered by Yeah, itwas cover my insurance. But like if
you look at the full cost,it's like fifteen hundred dollars. Yeah,
exactly. And I know a coupleof people in my build at work who
did botox through group on a fewyears ago and they were fine. So
maybe it's like the better botox.Yeah, it must be. I mean

(31:11):
mine's probably like a different kind too. The Tesla meant to like last right,
say, I don't know, andit was a Tesla botox not in
my forehead, so um. Ijust also thought it was again showing like
she had to be humiliated into admittingthat, and even then she couldn't say
it out loud. She just youknow, did the forehead. I thought
it was gonna be something way worse. I was like, I know it

(31:33):
would be like Ivyah for like,yeah, she said forty two hundred dollars
and then I was like no,I have like forty thousand dollars Like so
it was like forty two is likenot a lot, but it's lot,
So like what is it? Whatis it? What did you have done
yours? Like right? I know, I was no because so when Jay

(31:57):
was like that and I was like, no, I probably just a boob
job because that was what I hadresponded. And then I was like,
oh I would I thought that ifshe had said like a nose job,
I would have you know, beenlike okay, I think that whatever.
Anyway, I was just so shehad to be humiliated down to admitting that.
And then even then she makes thecomment like from me from dealing with

(32:19):
men like you my whole life.And then the uh, the what was
he called the He wasn't the judge, he was the bankruptcy like the bankruptcy
do yeah, the guy with allthe trustee the trustee or something, and
then he like takes away everything liketo be spiteful in my opinion, and
I thought that that was really mean. Well she wasn't. Yeah, it's

(32:50):
hard to feel sorry for somebody whowas, like I just put forty two
hundred dollars on botox. Yeah,okay, well that's a good point,
you know. Yeah, I thinkI think the wedding ring would made me
sad though, because like you dosort of forget about that, Like I
think I don't think they. Ithink they she genuinely did forget to list
that. You know. It's notlike they were doing that on purpose to
like leave it out. Yeah,you know, it's like, oh I

(33:14):
forgot, like, yeah, mywedding ring, you know, yeah,
I would agree agree, um,And then we end the episode We're not
an endc episode with saying revealing thatshe is the one that hired the lawyer
for Celeste, the family lawyer,so you know, she does have some
good in her somewhere. But anotherreally solid episode for Nada in my opinion,

(33:38):
Now she's great. Yeah. Andthen so we talked a little bit
about Jane's bangs before, but Janeand Corey move things along a little bit
more this episode where she is tryingto work through her you know, rape
flashbacks and ends up telling him aboutCorey's Corey about Ziggy's conception and the fact

(33:59):
that she was violently raped. Um, so I thought it was more like,
you know, her storyline seems tobe more subtle this season, and
I really like that. Yeah.I also thought it was weird when she
had that conversation with Celeste and askedCeleste if she had ever been raped by
Perry. Yes, and then Celestesaid no, which I found to be

(34:23):
confusing because like we saw her getraped by Perry last season. Yes,
but so yeah, so Celeste isn'tdenial. It just sucks because it makes
it makes it seem like Jane isin this in this place where like she's
all alone on this island of Arrylike treated me this way and treated her

(34:45):
that way. But it's like No, he was very violent with her.
She's just also a very violent personin her own regard when it comes to
sexual encounters. So you know it'sdifferent. But that was awkward conversation.
For sure, that was awkward.But I don't have a whole lot to
say about Jane's storyline because I knowhe's like, why is she still doating

(35:07):
Corey? Good question. I likeCorey. He's sweet. He's sweet,
but he's good for her. Idon't get it he still looks twelve.
He looks twelve. But I justlike, haven't gotten very much from him
other than like he likes her.And I think that that's what she likes
about him, is he's not duminatinga little bit more about him, just

(35:29):
from a character standpoint, Like helikes to surf, dude, he likes
a boogie board, yes, andlike he loves sustainable fish. Like okay,
fair enough, um, And thenI guess pivoting into a Celeste and
Mary Louise. Okay, so wehave Mary Louise shows up at the pumpkin

(35:52):
carvings, right, and then thisone does you know, as they do,
they're like, oh, my kid, grandkids, my eight year old
grandkids, invited me here, sothis is totally normal. Am I imposing?
Uh? Like okay, psychopath?And this was at Madeline's house.
It was Madeline's house. Oh Iknow, um already have a rhymeal.

(36:16):
We're with her, you know,like what are you thinking? Right,
um? And then we have thismoment where Mayor Louise reveals, oh so
innocently, as only Mary Louise ken, that she has rented space in the
same apartment complex that Jane lives in, to which everybody has actually drop in

(36:36):
and they can have sleepovers. Nobodyyeah, which I am assuming everyone in
the world responded the same way aswe did in my house, which was
like, oh what the fuck?I was just like, what's worse is
that she said all this all infront of the kids to yep, yeah,
because there's no going back, andthere's no going back to because she

(36:58):
has there committed there that's it.Yeah, she knows how to play him,
like I don't doubt that she's grievingher kid, and I feel bad
for her in those moments where sheseems like she actually is grieving her kid,
But she is classic emotional manipulator,and that is like exhibit one,
two three, four or five rightthere. Yeah, and she's so nice

(37:20):
to Jane. Yeah, and thenbehind her back, her back is like
ten years to victim blame her.Yeah, and she was really rape Which
brings us to what I think wasthe scene of the episode, in an
episode where there were a lot ofscenes that could be seen in the episode,
but this was just my opinion whereCeleste takes her aside and she was
like, I don't really think thatbetween you and me, I don't really

(37:43):
think that she was a victim,Like why was he even with her that
night? What was he looking for? Perhaps seeking refuge from? And then
she says, if there's one,there's others, in which Celeste just bitch
slaps her, slap her around theworld. I mean, it's it is
quite possible that if there's one,there are others. I could I kind
of agree with her, But butwhat I agree with is, if there's

(38:06):
one rape victim, Harry has onerape victim, he probably has others.
Yeah. Whereas Mary Louise is saying, if he cheated on you, it's
because it's you, it's your fault, right, Yeah, not many other
people he had, like consensual relationships, which consensual relationships outside of his marriage
that his wife didn't know about.She sucks, like yeah, because the

(38:32):
wife whatever, you know. Justso it's sort of it's interesting to see
this evolution of like Mary Louise,the victim blamer Mary Louise, Like yeah,
Mary Louise, like just like thedifferent sort of stages that you can
observe obviously in like real life.Two of like the way that these kind

(38:52):
of things go down, like therationalizations and then the sort of shifting of
the story. And she couldn't evenoriginally, she couldn't even like believe that
Perry would have had you know,any sort of like like umid relationship at
all, right, relationship at allexactly consensual or not um And now she's

(39:13):
like to the point where, oh, yeah, he probably had a bunch,
but he was like running obviously fromsomething at home. And she likes
because Ziggy looks so much like herother son, like what happened with the
other son? Like it's so suspiciousdid the accident? And then her husband
blamed her for it and they gotinto force afterwards. I'm like, what
I want to know about this accident? Husband? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(39:36):
yes, it's so suspicious. Yes, like especially when she's blaming herself
for her husband leaving, it makesme really wonder, like what she drunk
driving that night? Was she Shesaid that she blames herself too, And
I'm like, what what happened?Or is she just a victim of manipulation

(39:57):
by her husband who convinced her thatit was her fault and then he went
off to go be like a betterdad somewhere else and then she's just had
all this. I mean, thehuman psyche is crazy right, Like she
could have it could have been nother fault at all. Her husband convinced
her it was her fault, andthen she lived with that all those years
and it warped her apparently, youknow, she didn't go to confession or
whatever and where Harriet warped her.And now she's being the only type of

(40:22):
person that she knows how to beas a result of this, which is
the manipulative, grieving psychopath that we'reseeing. I mean, I think that
we've all seen sort of up closeand personal over the last like approximately two
and a half years, what gaslightingis like, yes, so, and
Mary Louise is gaslighting herself and Celesteat the same time. Well, she's

(40:45):
also transitioned from so she shows upin town to help out Celeste as grieving
grandmother who is you know, sad, but you know, happy that she
has these grandchildren to take care ofand be with and just sort of grieve
alongside of. And then all ofthe you know, all of a sudden,
it's okay, I need to supportmy daughter in law because clearly she

(41:09):
has issues now too, and youknow, the boys need me more.
And then it's okay, it's something'swrong with her, and now it's all
of a sudden, I'm taking themaway from her, like right, this
massive transition from I'm just happy tobe part of their lives too. They're
going to be my new sons.I'm also going to take and like Ziggy

(41:31):
will be there too, And that'sJane confronts her at the end of the
episode. Yeah, I just wantto know you're gonna take my kid too,
And she's like, no, you'rea wonderful mother. And she's like,
well, right now, I amin your eyes, like what if
I do something that makes you unhappy? You know, right exactly, it's
a wonderful mother, right, Butthen she kind of and this kind of
made me nervous because she got toher at the end where she was like

(41:52):
she has Ambien and xan X andlike, get in, she's got all
these pills and would you let Ziggyin the car with her? And I
have to admit it, if Iwere Jane, I would have also stopped
for a second and been like,I mean, she's not wrong, She's
not like, she's not wrong.The right does need help, but so

(42:13):
does Mary Louise. So does MaryLouise, and um, because even with
Mary Louise, like you see allthe different layers here where we have her
telling celesque, like oh, bythe way, I totally skip the best
line of that entire part where shegoes what shall we call that four play?
Oh my god, Yeah that waskiller. That was such a good

(42:34):
Meryl street. That was such agreat delivery and light and everything, and
Jane and I were just like,oh shit, oh shit, she said
that she went there. It wasalso like a recognition of like she's been
denying this whole time that they hadthat kind of relationship of like anger leading
to violence leading to sex, thatthere was something that they enjoyed and it's

(42:55):
just like she was denying that andsaying like my son would never be like
that, and it's like, Okay, iogazine that he was like that,
I'm right, which kind which kindof makes you think, like, Okay,
maybe she's a little bit more withit than she's saying, but exactly
exactly right. So that but wehave her later, you know, she's

(43:15):
in grieve is meant to be shared. And then she goes to see the
lawyer about filing for grandparents rights,which I don't know how it is in
California, but as somebody who whoworks law adjacent in North Carolina, um,
grandparents writes. Really they're not easyto get um at least I'm pretty

(43:36):
sure here that they are not.Say you're in no way more about this
than I'm gonna know. I waslike, I decay, I don't know
how it is in California, butI believe that grandparent writes in general are
tough or difficult when you know youhave two parents around. They're difficult to
win those cases because yeah, Idon't I know nothing about those actual laws

(43:57):
in California, but I will sayusually like people's rights are pretty well protected
in California, so I don't itusually I can't imagine it would be super
easy, but they do. Imean, like the problem with Mary Louise
is that she does have all thislike access to these having seen the drugs,
and yeah she does. She hasa lot of ammos. So at

(44:20):
one hand you have to think,okay, is she grieving or she genuinely
concerned about it, because she didnot right away say here is I'm serving
you tomorrow, Like she waited untilit got to a point like I mean
she played her cards well, shewaited until she had a reason to give
them to her. Um. Butit was also interesting where the lawyer was
playing kind of dirty and she actuallylike she was like, wait, why

(44:43):
can't you just call? And thelawyer was like, dummy, this is
how it works, Like you needto conflict out all these other people so
you will win. Which was thelawyer Dennis O'Leary actually yes one okay because
like Larry was in the episode,Yes, okay because it him okay.
Um. I feel like if thisweren't a television show, what actually would

(45:04):
happen would be Social Services would becalled and they foster care system like Mary
Louise. Actually it's well, yes, when social services comes out, it's
also really difficult to convince them totake kids out of their homes as well.
I mean right, I just meanyeah, yeah, yeah, much
more. Unless they're like on thesouthern border, then we're good. Right,

(45:25):
Sorry, this is not the broadcastbroadcast. I was like, it
took me a minute because I'm sosleepy, but I was like, wait,
but if you want to be funny, but if you want to hear
more about that, subscribe to thebroadcast or the Man of Shandiane Colleen,
because I will talk about that alot usually, I tell you, slip

(45:49):
up. Look, at least,all right, I'll say this for Mary
Louise. At least she provided themwith soap and a change of clothing.
I'm a shower at her house.Okay. She clearly cares about them right
in her own way, in herown warped way, and she sees them
as replacements for her sons, whichis yes, setting in its own in

(46:13):
its own right. But yeah,but are you gonna do? And she
gets to Sarah and Ziggy she does, she's got two airs and spared,
and according to her, she's probablygonna go around and be like, She'll
probably be that woman who places anad in the newspapers. Like, have
you been raped by my son?Do you have a baby because of it?
If of your hair for oppraternity test. If so, I'm looking for

(46:37):
sleepovers and stringy pizza. Oh mygod. That scene. Like whenever she
has scenes at time where she's remindingthem of their dad, it like freaks
me out, I know. Andthen to finish up real quick, we
have Bonnie and Bonnie's big thing againin this episode was her mom had a
stroke, and we see while Elizabethis falling, and then when she wakes

(47:00):
up again that she's having these visions, and we find it at the very
end that her vision is of Bonniefacedown in the water drowning seemingly, which
I'm assuming is just more metaphor forlike Bonnie just going to die in this
season. No, they can't dothat. We would become an Oscar.

(47:22):
She doesn't have an oscar yet,she can't stay. She gets it with
us, um. But I dohave to mention, since I'm not normally
on the show, that I wasgenuinely upset by the last episode when they
did the flashback of her mom pushingher under the water to swim, so

(47:43):
upset. Well, between I forgetif we talked about this when we talked
about it two years ago. Fair, did you guys read the book?
Not yet, It's still on mylist of things to do two years later.
Fine, um, because in thebook not to like give it away,
but there I'll go ahead alert spoileralert. The the Bonnie relationship with

(48:05):
the abuse and the Yeah, likethe reason that she ends up doing what
she does is more with her father, right, And it seems like they're
doing it more with her mother inthis show because dad is like like basically
toast, like like piece of whitebreads. Another it's like Bonnie married her

(48:29):
dad. Yeah, it seems likethey're pushing it more towards like her mother,
which is kind of interesting to show, Like, I guess maybe abuse
can come from well and also alsoalso the whole show was built on the
relationship between mothers and their children.Yes, so it does make a lot
of sense. And abuse doesn't haveto be like physical between just men and

(48:52):
women, like from women to women. So and I'm like mental abuse from
men to women because like what herdad said to her was pretty Yeah,
so dad was like what did yousay to her or something like that.
Yeah, it was basically like puttingthe blame for her stroke on she gave
her a stroke even though it's likea trippy, trippy lady exactly fierce in

(49:15):
her outfit. She they both did. Everybody looked fierce at that party.
I wish that I was at thatparty. Donnie looked so good without the
braids. I was like, girl, those braids out. Before we move
on to listen heer feedback, becausewe've got a bunch of fit. Do
you guys think that Bonnie kind ofruined it and set off another chain of

(49:37):
events with Tective Quinlin when she yellsat her in the hospital. Possibly,
but I also like, I feellike that could also be cleared up in
like a two second conversation where yeah, yeah, but this is it.
She isn't in a very well buteven also she's like, oh, that's
a patient's daughter. No, no, no, the doctor says it,

(49:59):
and then the then Quinlin's like,yeah, I know who she is.
But this is also a TV showthat's like, you know, White Lady
Telenovella, So there's a good chancethat it's gonna Well, we saw the
detective quite a few times this episode. We did, Yeah, so I
don't think the next episode they needto. They do need to go back
to that like that, because it'sbeen a while since there's been any sort

(50:22):
of like who pushed who? Who? Why did he fall? Like,
we haven't done any of that.It's been a lot of custody stuff.
So yeah, I'm sure we'll getmore of that the next episode. Exactly.
Okay, So let's go and hearfrom what Amanda had to say before
we go into the listener feedback,and Amanda had written in love you ladies,

(50:45):
here my thoughts. I'm already onedrink in because vacation, so hopefully
this makes some semblance of sense.So here you go. Hello, ladies,
greetings from the beach. It's veryweird to be calling to your own
podcast, but you know, herewe are. Angela. I'm so sorry
that I am missing you this week. I hope you will come back and

(51:07):
talk with us sometime soon because Iwould love to spend some time with you.
But yes, so I thought Iwould just call in and share a
few of my thoughts from this pastepisode. First of all being I'm so
so so glad that we haven't hada Shandy sighting yet, because I would
have been absolutely heartbreaking, heartbroken tonot be able to talk about it with

(51:30):
you, ladies, so I'm gladwe get one more week. My second
thought, Holy Mary Louise, thiswas a very big Meryl Streep episode,
starting with the opening scene with thepumpkin carving. Who does that? Very
unnerving. But the highlight of Ithink watching the episode for me was Danielle's

(51:52):
comment of you don't slap Meryl Streep, which I'd have to say I agree
with. But the other things thatwe're particularly noteworthy, and I will keep
this brief because I'm sure you ladiesare going to have a very spirited and
lengthy discussion in my absence, Butthe things that I found particularly notable was

(52:15):
Bonnie's mom. Obviously, we sawmore of her visions with the water and
all the flashes of light, whichI thought were was very very foretelling,
and I think to heart hearken backto our earlier thoughts. I think water
is definitely going to play a big, big role in the climax of the

(52:39):
season, so I'm excited to seewhere that goes. The bartender, when
Jane and Selest are hanging out,do we think that is back tattoo man
or do we think this is someonedifferent. I think it might be back
tattoo. I think I saw alittle something when he turned around, but
you know who can tell. I'mexcited to hear what you guys have to

(53:01):
say about that, because I'm surethat something you all noted as well.
And lastly, my m a thingthat I noticed while watching this episode,
well, not so much notice,but something that really struck me was how
every episode we've seen thus far hasstarted with a flashback of Perry's fall from

(53:25):
a different character's perspective, and aswe see it repeated each time through a
different character's eyes, we get adifferent a little more to the story,
if I remember correctly. The firsttime we saw it, it was completely
silent, and this week, throughMadeline's eyes, we got a bit more

(53:46):
of the audio and the dialogue betweenthe women, and we got to see
a little a little more of whathappened in the aftermath. So I'm very
excited to see how that develops asthe episodes proceed, and if it is
eventually leading up to us being ableto see the entirety of of what happened

(54:07):
through every every character's perspective. Butyeah, that those were my big takeaways
from the episode. I miss youladies so very much and can't wait to
be back next week. And I'mso excited to hear the what I'm sure
will be lively and stimulating conversation thatyou have with Angela while I am away,

(54:30):
And um, I'm excited to beback with you you next week.
Um yeah, So I'm gonna gogo drink a cocktail by the beach and
I will see you all next week. Much love, talked to you later,
Bye bye, bye bye. Allright, So thoughts on Amanda's email

(54:53):
up voicemail I'm jealous so a andactually references the back tattoo guy with Ammy
and sex, and we also wegot a voicemail and then some follow up
information about this theory from Tajia,who you guys might remember from last week.

(55:13):
Shandy mentioned she had a theory thatCeleste, when she was driving the
car she was driving home from havingAmmy and sex with some dude with a
back tattoo, and it was upin the air of that how she got
her bruise and whatnot, or wasit just Perry with a weird shadow.
But I don't know. I thinkthat this episode actually kind of gives some

(55:38):
credence to Tajia's theory. So let'sdo the voicemail and we will follow up
with the email stuff. Here.Hey ladies, it's Ta. Sandy has
been telling me to call in withfeedbackup robb the lie so here I am.
So I have like my does stopbecause I have been taking notes because

(55:59):
I have been going crazy about theseries and chatting Shandy about it pretty frequently.
Um. Also side note, Shandy, if you were the next episode
and I am not sitting right nextto you when you were on screen,
I'm going to lose with my falconshit anyway, Um, Sophie back from
last night's episode. Uh, fuckingMary Louise is Nutterbutter's crazy. I can't

(56:21):
believe that she has invited herself overlike her there's a party here, guy,
he's just that invite me felf over. But I brought casto. It's
all good. Like she's fucking nutterbutters. Um. I died when Madeline's daughter
was like look mom, opposite andshe was like, you're unhinged. That
was pretty funny and in the lastlike big thing. And I had made

(56:43):
the comments on the feedback through thecomments on Facebook. Fucking you hand the
insect cold it calling you and couldit? Anyways? I always, uh,
nothing to excite that she's like doingdrugs and having rough stacks with strangers
because it's not healthy and not smartand probably not the best practice for her
mental health. But I was quitepleased. I love a fucking call back

(57:05):
anyway, though, and I'm tryingto forething else I wanted to bring up,
but this episode was interesting. Idefinitely think the last two episodes have
not been as awesome episode number twothat was probably my favorite so far.
But I'm excited to see what happensnext week when I do therapy and Big
Sir and we see motherfucking Randy makeher appearance. Hey with the ladies.
I'm enjoying listening to this and Colleenin response to you coming into California,

(57:30):
I hope that we didn't to gogeo cashing with Dandy. That was like,
literally make me so happy. Butanyway, have a good one.
Bye. Hey, Yeah, Tasiacall then, and then she also followed
up afterwards because we were talking abouttattoo Guy and trying to figure out if

(57:53):
ambient sex Guy from this episode wasthe same as tattoo Guy from episode two
and just as it's a different dude. Joe has a smaller tattoo on his
right shoulder, but not a gianttribal back tattoo. And then Taja further
said, also, I'm kind ofnot fully upset with the idea of Celeste
not having her kids at the moment. I hate Mary Louise and don't agree

(58:15):
with how she's doing things, butI have to agree if I had kids,
I wouldn't want them driving in thesame car Celeste, especially not over
the Bigspoo Bridge, which appears tobe the only way to get to ban
Terey. Celeste and Malan are boththe opposite of the door on Hinges.
Yeah, let's be honest, forall of them are the opposite of the
door on Hinges. I think thatEd might be the closest to Hinge on

(58:40):
the entire show, and that's sayingsomething. I think he's like shutting down
exactly, so he's like locking hisdoor. He's like yes, yes,
yeah, he's like totally emotionally unavailable. But with Nathan, who's just I
was just gonna say, I thinkNathan maybe a little more hinged. Clearly,
the principal and the teacher are definitelyon, yes, despite being my

(59:06):
favorites. And also so, okay, tajia A, I'm gonna start calling
Mary Louise nutterbutters crazy. Uh.It just it just flows better than fucking
psychopath that I've been calling her.And then okay, you you, I
am willing to concede that you wereprobably right that Sele probably I'm not gonna

(59:34):
full on concide. Okay, itdepends on what your definition of probably is.
Okay, you're probably right that shewas probably having the ambient intercourse with
somebody before Joe Bartender ambient intercourse.We could definitely say she was having ambient
intercourse this episode. That's for surean ambient intercourse. Stayed um a little

(59:59):
bit too, stayed over. Yeah, and you didn't remember that is actually
hot terrifying, right, Like soNary, Oh my gosh, I think
you know so just bad, justreally really bad. Right, Like I've
had mornings where I've been like drankor something and been like, did I
say anything stupid last night? Likelet me take my Facebook activity wall.

(01:00:22):
But it's a little and that's alittle different like when you're younger and like
you're not there's the responsibility of children, right, even if the grandma it's
just well, no, it's it'sit's like if she wants to have a
one night stand, like go girl, get it, like have your one

(01:00:42):
night stand. But like tambien,stop taking the ambien. If you know
that you're getting into a car accident, you're having sex that you can't remember
having, right, Like is thateven consensual where you can't you don't even
know you're doing it, like allsorts of things stukes, bray areas all
over the place. Um, butI mean the bartender might not have known,

(01:01:06):
right because you're apparently there's no wayhe could remove right, Um,
he couldn't have known about the ambien. But he was like pushing drinks on
her while we saw too. Well. I think he just was like do
you want another one? Which Imean I've had bartenders ask me that it's
kind of their job. But true, it's true. But if like you
know how many drinks you sold to, right, right, right, maybe
you shouldn't then also have sex withthem. I don't know, but um,

(01:01:30):
I like I have so many questions, um, just because I don't
really know how the ambien works,Like I'm wondering how long? How long
is a person high when they takeambien. So what time did she take
it? Was she already high whenshe was at drinks with was that Jane?
Did Janie Jane? Like? Atwhat point did she take it?
Did she wait to get home totake it? I don't, I don't

(01:01:51):
know. I'm curious. Ambien hitsyour bloodstream within thirty minutes of taking it,
and it can last for up toeight hours after use. Holy shit,
So is that something something to sleep? Yes? Yeah, some people
take it, fall asleep and thenwake up without realizing it. I had

(01:02:15):
a friend in college that would wakeup and go online and order stuff from
Forever twenty one and I know yetall these packages and she didn't remember ordering.
Yeah, I know somebody that Iknow somebody that ordered one of those
knockoff coach bags from China while theywere on AMMI and and they didn't know

(01:02:35):
until it showed up and they werelike, yeah, she would we get
these packages, She'd be like,oh, I guess I was shopping on
Ambient again. And I'm like,that's there's stories terrifying, Like there are
stories of people that have fallen downstairsbecause they like got up and were like
walking around amby and so yeah,the ammy and affects some people they go
to sleep and they're great, butit affects other people in ways of being

(01:02:58):
like like thek but not take ambient. Yeah, probably if you know it's
if you take it and you havea reaction where you wake up and you're
doing things, doing things on ambient, then you shouldn't take Yeah, you
shouldn't. See for me, likemaybe this is like why I don't know,
drugs kind of freak me out,but like because for me, just
like the fact that that's even apossibility would be just the way the neurons

(01:03:23):
are firing, right if I don'tknow how I'm gonna react, I would
not really even if a doctor prescribedit, I would see quill all the
way. Yeah, there's definitely there'sdefinitely less intense sleeping than ambient. Yeah,
for sure. Damn. Because theother thing that I was wondering is,

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you know, like it would bevery on brand for like a sort
of like really well off white ladyto just be like like on pills yeh
kind of you know. So Idon't know, ye, the very value
of the dolls Like yeah, wellI think that we can all agree that
Celeste is clearly struggling mentally and emotionally, and whether she's taking the ambi into

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sleep or to escape because she knowsthat this is going to happen, like,
yeah, she needs help, LikeMary Louise is right about that.
She I mean, she got ina car accident, right, like,
she was driving a motor vehicle,motorized vehicle and got in a car accident.
I think for me that would bethe point. I'm like, no
more ambient, Yeah exactly, Imean, and she just got out of
this relationship where she was beaten forhowever long. It was like, yeah,

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you know, Celeste is not okay, like out of all of them,
more than therapy and she's a differenttherapist. Yeah she does, which
interest. We actually have an emailabout that. Yeah, so Joanne wrote
in about the therapy and she saysto the three broad little liars, or

(01:04:54):
I guess that should be three broadlittle live podcasters. First, a disclaimer,
I have no expertise on the subjectof psychology, so the following are
just my opinions with no real scientificbacking. But who needs scientific backing nowadays?
We are podcast her while I finddoctor therapy. Lady forgot her name

(01:05:17):
to be a bit too blunt anddirect than expected. I do not have
as much issues as others have withher technique. There are numerous types of
therapy, including two that should involvepositiveness and listening and support grief therapy for
dealing with loss support therapy, aplace I think most successful therapies should end

(01:05:38):
up, and two that require moredigging and a more confrontational style couples and
for lack of a better word,internalized. In those two, the therapists
needs to dig into the core issueswhich are often hidden either between couples or
within oneself. Since the whole pointof the show is big little lies,
there is a lot of hidden internalizationthat the therapist is trying to have them

(01:06:00):
confront and admit to in order tomove into a more support position. When
I was in therapy twenty years ago, I found myself upset and sometimes crying
after my sessions, but I alsorecognized that my therapist was not going to
allow me to just have her tellme how to run my life, and
that I needed to confront my ownthoughts, needs, issues, etc.

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After about a year or so,I will always remember the session when I
walked into the office and said,I know I want, I know what
it means, and I'm ready todo it. Immediately, our sessions switched
from internalized, confrontational to supportive andforward looking. I still had much work
to do, but because she mademe work through the issues, I was

(01:06:42):
in the right place when I neededto be. But I definitely think for
the sake of moving the story along, Doctor Therapy Lady is a bit too
blunt and direct. Anyway, theshow is great, the podcast is great,
and I can't wait for the starto show up in the next episode.
Go Shandy Joey. No, Ihave to I can't wait. I

(01:07:03):
can't wait. I have to saythat what Joanne says about the therapist not
allowing her to just you know,tell you how to run your life,
you need to correct your own thoughts. As somebody that's also been through therapy,
I remember the exact session where Ialso had that like switch, and

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she had asked me a simple questionand I was just I was stumped.
I was like, yeah, yeah, you're right, Like why can't I
do that? And then you know, from there on out, that was
really a turning point for me.Jay has been through therapy as well,
and he got it a whole lotquicker actually than I did. You know,
with the I know what I want, I know what it means,

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I know, you know, readyto do. I know Amanda has talked
about that too. I know somebodyright now that's been in therapy for the
last couple of months and we've haddiscussions about it as well, like what
she expected her therapy to be likeand the frustrations she originally had. And
you know, I actually went throughthat too, where they're not supposed to
tell you what that you they're supposedto guide you to figure out it on

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your own. Because if somebody's alwaystelling you you're not, you're not learning
like you need to. You needto learn those coping mechanisms and those solutions
and stuff yourself, because otherwise you'reyou know, she's going to release you
at some point and you're not,You're still not going to have those skills.
So anyway, yeah, that wasand everybody gets something different from therapy
too. It's like to do whatyou make of it, and it's like

(01:08:30):
it's not for everybody, and it'slike some certain people don't need certain kinds
of talk therapy, and yeah,yeah, I agree, Yeah, and
you know, it's like for likefor me, it's like I have tried
therapy so many different times and it'sjust not quite the type of like anxiety,
Like it doesn't work quite the sameway for me that it works for

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other people. It like adds stressfor me in same ways. So I
tend to try away from therapy andand it's it's just how I am I
am. But yeah, it's theway they portrayed the therapist on Big Little
Wies is very interesting. She's aggressive, and I get what they're trying to

(01:09:15):
do. They're trying to make abig bang and they're trying to like they're
trying to put as much as theycan into this tiny little scene. Yeah,
and I think that that's where theylike they're gonna have issues, is
because like you can't you don't geta win in one session of therapy.
It's like sometimes takes months and monthsand months to like get to what happened
with the last last season. Andyou know, whereas like she had two

(01:09:39):
sessions of therapy and she's going toleave her husband and blah blah blah.
But the thing with Madeline I thoughtwas like a little much. I was
just like a little well, AndI think Madeline represents the people that don't
get traditional therapy the way that otherpeople do exact way, yeah, exactly.
And I felt like it was justlike we were meant to see it

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from Madeleine's point of view, notfrom the like not like it. In
my opinion, maybe we were evenseeing it through Madeleine's eyes, not necessarily
what was actually happening, Like maybethe therapist was saying things, but maybe
they weren't actually what was being said. And you know so because they often

(01:10:20):
do that. I mean, likethat one scene where everyone's laughing at Ranada.
Yeah, you know, we don'teven know if that was actually what
was going on, right, kindof a therapist says that, like it
was very odd. Do you thinkit's because you didn't go to college,
Like yeah, no, well Icould see a therapist doing that on session
like four, but yeah, it'sso weird. And Ed was just sitting

(01:10:44):
there and he was like, I'mright right, Well, I guess that
just means that there's really no oneset way for everyone. There's no so
they'll just go to big sir.Just go to big sir. Yeah,
I get it. That's where Igo to fel too exactly. And I
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very much. Shandy. Do youhave anything for the local this week?
Or are we just going to getone giant Shandy bomb next week? Yeah,
so this is gonna be pretty shortand sweet. This week I really
did not there was nothing that Icould even write down for like locals lore,

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And I think it was mostly becausebasically, like it didn't seem like
we got really any new locations thisweek except for the bar, which I
was like really looking at closely forclues. But I really think that that
bar was just a set. Itwas certainly not anything in Monterey I would
recognize. And so yeah, Imean you know that like they went back

(01:12:13):
to Lover's Point to the cafe.There was a part where like you could
see like a bench, and Iwas like, oh, that's that's I
ran by there all the time.And then I was like, oh,
yeah, they're at Lover's Point.They're just they're just like five feet away
from like where they set up thecafe. But so yeah, but next
week I do think that I willhave a lot more to say. Awesome,
I can't waiting, exciting, andthen real quick as far as the

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music goes, we had a songcalled we Can't Live Together by Timmy Thomas.
Apparently Drake sampled this track on hisubiquitous hit hotline Bling. It plays
out well, hipped. Do youknow that? I just learned what that

(01:12:59):
what is it? Old town roadsong is? And that was because my
five year old was singing it.I don't know what that is? Why
would I? Okay, okay,great because I still haven't heard it.
But apparently playlist on Spotify is theseventies road Trip fantastic clearly living at large
over here athough, there is areally good Spotify playlist four Big Little Lies,

(01:13:26):
so oh awesome, I should checkthat out. Okay, So why
Can't We Live Together by Timmy Thomas. It's a Drake hotline bling I know
that song though plays as the biglittle live ladies and their kids carved the
pumpkins and the kitchen um Amabella's partyis filled with wonderful seventies though. This
must have been like really jam Angela, Likena, Donna Summer and BG's Disco

(01:13:51):
Inferno by the Tramps, So itwas so fun. Yeah, yeah,
all of that was really fun.I think musical soundtrack today, but yeah,
I think that that about does itagain, if you want to send
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that wrote in today. Thank youto everybody that is listening to this right
now. Thank you so much Angelafor coming on and hanging out tours.
It was really great. We loveyou listening to you guys. I love
talking with you more if I lovelistening to you every week. So fun.
Trivia fact for broadcast fans out there. We frequently tell people that we

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speak your feels, and that isbecause we quote an iTunes review that Angela
left for us during our first seasonyeah, it's like, yeah, I
can't believe that. It's so funny, Like I thought that was so funny
that you guys said that, AndI was like, I didn't think that
was something that was unique, butI guess it was. I don't know.

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So thank you. You have helpedto find us for a generation to
come, for a generation while they'reworrying about climate crisis. Remember who spoke
their feels? Angelo, Where canwe find you? Yeah, I mean
I'm on Twitter my hashtag or myhandles at Angolagi So it's a n G

(01:15:23):
PA l A g g I.That is my maiden names. Sorry,
not changing it, and that's myInstagram and Twitter. So awesome form,
Matt cool. You are more thanwelcome to come back on this show and
the broadcast whenever you want, becausethank you. Oh I love you guys

(01:15:44):
because of the best No you are. Does anybody else have anything before we
wrap it up? Nah? Okay, well that's it cool, Thanks Agan,
everyone for listening. Thank you.The patron Secondarybute a certain level would
be tack from Tokyo Eckhart Richner,Maggie the Magnificent, Joan with a Plan,
Drake the Distributor, and ed thecreepy mailman. Thank you all as

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always, and we'll see you nextweek. Um. On that note,
my name is Colleen and I'm Shandy. That doesn't work, Angela, you
should go second. Okay, we'lldo it again order. Oh, I'm

(01:16:30):
good. My name is Colleen,I'm Angela and I'm Sandy. Bye everybody.
I have a good week.