Broad Little Lies Ep. 1.7: "I Want to Know"

Shandy, Amanda, and Colleen discuss HBO's "Big Little Lies," season 2, episode 7, "I Want to Know," including what they'd want to see from a Season 3, what storylines they liked and didn't, and who could play Renata's mom.

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Episode Transcript

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Hello, and welcome to Broad LittleLies with a Manda, Shanny and Colleen.
My name is Colleen. My nameis Amanda, and I'm Shandy.
Welcome to the show, everybody.We are here to talk about season two,
episode seven, the finale of seasontwo called I Want to Know Hello,
Hello Hello. You know, thiswas the first week that I could

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not figure out where the title camefrom. You're right, yeah, I
couldn't place it either. Upon furtherreflection, that's a good point. I
went into the episode wanting to knowhow Perry's brother died, but that's not
where the title came from. Soyeah, right, just how we all
collectively felt coming into the episodes.I guess everyone wanted to know something.

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Yes, Quinlan wanted to know,which we didn't even see quinlin initial reactions.
There was a whole lot of storylines, I know we talked about this
little last week. There were awhole lot of storylines that kind of didn't
really get as fully flesh out inthe end as I thought they were going
to be. In the Agreed particularly, I feels like perhaps that was something

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that was shot and then given thecontroversy that was revealed last week, that
perhaps that was something that got rere edited to keep it in the style
of big right, like maybe ifeach episode had been like sixty minutes,
it would have rights that was shotright there. We did get a reminder

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I think in the in the likelast time on or previously on about her
and then of course the way itends, she's there by implication and we
are. So we were reminded earlierthat like, oh yeah, this is
still like an ongoing investigation. Butyeah, she didn't get any sort of
like on screen gotcha moments. Well, didn't get paid for that episode.

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Well, okay, so my firsttakes before we go into a little bit
more would be I didn't hate it, so that's good. I thought there
were some strength and some weaknesses.No, there were some good and some
bad. And again, I,like we talked about last week. I
don't know if it's because I lookedthrough this with different different classes now that

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we know this isn't what was intendedfrom you know, the get go,
but or it was but just notby the person that was directing it.
So I don't know if it wasthat or if there were just some things
to me that didn't make sense.I took a very weird issue with the
fact that Bonnie and Jane were notdressed for Superior Court in the manner that

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I thought that they should have beendressed. Yeah right, I noticed that
too. That felt real weird.Yeah, I mean, also, it's
California. I don't know I did. I honestly didn't even notice it.
Their courthouse on our way to work, right like. Their courthouse also looked
like this giant air being so likethe exterior shot, I was like,
Yurt, well outside of it isround, right Urt. I said that

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to Jay. I was like,that's their courthouse. That does not look
courthousey, but you know whatever,I don't know California architecture. I only
just got that from there twelve hoursago, twenty four hours ago at this
point. But um, yeah,no. So my my initial birth thoughts
were one places I wanted it toit felt choppy. At other times the

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montage I thought was real weird,But overall I liked it, and I
think I would probably watch a seasonthree. Yeah, that's well, I
got. Yeah, my feelings are. I mean, I thought there were
some like satisfying slash almost cartoony thoughthings that I was fine with. I
was fine with the cartooning, yeahof it, and I'm basically happy with

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the way that it ended, andfor me, that's like a way to
end the series altogether. If there'sa season three, it's hard to say
that I wouldn't watch a TV showthat's filmed in Monterey and stars, you
know, such a star studded cast, right, So like, if it's
on, I'm gonna watch it.But I don't feel like I need a
season three, right, But youknow what, I like the characters,

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so I think I would still beinvested in their story. I would like
to see happier, more in chargeof her life, Bonnie get to actually
live her best life. Celeste,I want to see We're not to make
a comeback? I do like I'mI'm invested in that Celeste. I want
to see her in the courtroom morebecause she was great. I would like

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to see what, however, atlasts a more docile and homemakery Madeline Martha
Mackenzie. It is like, soyeah, and I guess I don't know.
Jane. I like to see youtoo, maybe with longer banks,

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maybe without bangs, a side sidewipe, yes, side bangs, headband maybeers
Yeah, but yeah, I thinkI too, came out of the episode
a little a little lukewarm. Andthe more I've thought about it, the
more the episode to me kind offeels like eating taco bell that it's really

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satisfying, and so you had tomove back towards a moment for a few
hours later it's like not satisfying.Right two hours later you have to take
a massive shit right or like youknow, like eating a whole pizza,
ordering a big giant ice cream Sundaythat like, in the moment, it's
so satisfying and it's so good,but then a little while later you're like,

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oh, this was not the bestthing I could have done for myself.
Like I feel like all the storieswe got what we wanted, and
I'm not certain that that's a goodway to tell a story, particularly in
a series that has been so complicatedand surprising and interesting. It felt a

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little like a cop out in theend for me. Well, totally,
And that's for me. Like whenI say that, for me, it
was like parts of it, we'rea little cartoony. That's kind of like
what I mean. It was.It was satisfying, It's what I wanted
to see. I wanted to see, so let's kill it in the courtroom
and she did. You know,I wanted to see Madeline and Ed stay
together, and I loved the waythat they are staying together with the nude

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vows. I was like, oh, yay, right, even though,
like what's up with the boxing,But we'll get into that. But like,
I liked all these things and theywere satisfying as a viewer. But
again, it's like, I agreewith you, it's sort of weird for
a show to do that, andI don't think that usually happens if there's
going to be another season in particular, so you can't just like give the

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audience what they want to see andhave. I mean, it's open,
there are places they can go lifeand all the lies. You don't have
to And I feel like even whatthey did give us, they didn't try
that hard, like they just italmost felt a little bit like a capitulation,
you know, like there could havebeen a little more drama, Like
things could have been a little morecomplicated with like Ed and Madeline that didn't

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have to tie up so nicely.See, oh I have some didn't have
to just packer bags and go hometo San Francisco. It was all a
little too easy. Wait, pickme, pick me, I have something.
Okay, So it's funny that yousay that with Ed and Madeline is
I actually thought that the storyline,like what you just said, you hope

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we wouldn't have been that easy.I feel like that was what the entire
season was for them, so tome. But he finally, like you
know, got that aggression, likehe punched it out his system with the
with the which I guess makes themprobably the most decent husband there. Right,
Um, I think it was rankedworst actually in um, he was
well that was going around Oh yeah, the worst husband. I mean because

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Perry's dead. Parry obviously is theworst. But wait, you think that
he was the worst husband. Thatwasn't an article that I saw going around
the three husbands and they put himhis worst? Why I don't so apathetic
and just like doesn't seem to reallylike engage with Madeleine or care that much.
I thought he was just being mad. That's so funny. I think

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if we also go back to seasonone, Ed and it sort of like
joins up with what the therapist saidto him, I refuse to not remember.
In my mind, I would liketo not keep a bearded Ed in
my head. I would rather wejust pretend like that era of ED never
happened. Yeah, and then theother thing you said that after the ED

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thing, oh mayor louis packing yourbags, Well, what else is she
gonna do? The woman got owned. I don't know. I feel like
someone who like that character always hadto come back. She never gave up.
And the fact that she just likehad the door shut in her face
and was like, Okay, wellbecause I'm done here, it felt like

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they could have left it open inanother another way, like maybe her like
plotting something else or I don't know. It felt a little out of character
that she would just leave. Ithink we've I think it was Matt Love's
TV who said that Meryl Streep's notgonna be signing up, or maybe it
was Dennis I can't remember, butsomebody was like, yeah, they're not
gonna get Meryl Streep for two seasons. She's not going to sign on for

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another season. So like her characterhad to kind of agree head back home
she's fired. She did, She'sgoing to collect her Emmy and her Golden
Globe. And then yeah, exactly, and I mean Mary Louise or Meryl
Streep and Nicole Kidman are winning allthe awards, right, Yeah, I
mean satisfying as that courtroom scene waslike, let's all be frank, like

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that was just to get them theirnominations for their multiple awards. Yeah,
they are winning. And maybe LauraDuran's getting thrown in there too. Oh
yeah, she was the star.She was I mean, male strip was
the star of the of the season. But also Nada, she just up

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until the very last scene of hershe was just awesome this this season.
Yeah, those are the redeeming thingsagain, we come back to the wonderful
cast and their performances. Yeah,I think we've Yeah, we've moved into
the the bigger kind of discussion ofit all. So where do you want
to start? I mean, dowe want to finish this whole celesque thing

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see it out? Yeah? Whydon't we start with Celeste because it was
the heaviest, and we will endwith Rnata because it was the most satisfying.
Yeah, and the episode started fromher point of view. Yea,
And it was the most clear outof all the memories, Like it was
nobody was like talking over each otherin Echoe and it was the most clear

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of all of them. So yeah, I did notice that. So,
yes, Celeste had a lot offlashbacks all episode of all sorts of things
good, bad, ugly, murdering. Yeah, like the Celeste some money.
If we need to get a seasonthree, we're going to have to
see more of her probably emotional healing, right. Yeah, and that's actually

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something I watched. I noticed thatthere's a part three and Part four of
that roundtable discussion now on the HBOwebsite. Oh and I watched those before
just earlier today, And that's somethingthat they talked a lot about, particularly
in part four, was just thewhole process of healing, and that was
an interesting discussion. So they youknow, talk about it obviously from all

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these different characters and where they arein the process. Zoey Kravitz mentions that
healing isn't always pretty, and sowe see, like, you know,
different characters sort of in the throesof healing. And I think we really
saw so lest come a long way. And they said also in that roundtable
discussion, it was really important forthem not to begin the season with just

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like post healing, like everyone's goodnow, right, and to really like
get into that, but I thinkthat we saw so much growth from Celeste
that clearly things are still difficult.But I agree, like if there was
a season three, I certainly likeagain, I would watch it and I
would be interested to see like whatshe does now she's like a single mother,

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but she still has a lot ofPTSD to deal with and the cycle
of abuse and every you know,just like that whole whole thing, but
I think she's ready to take iton. Yeah, I love we saw
some real, real true strength fromCeleste that I feel like we haven't seen
quite so much. And I wouldlove to see her go back to work

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as a lawyer because it was sogreat to see her in that arena.
Totally forget that. It was justlike a great scene, really well acted,
and yeah, I mean a littleweird that like it was even a
thing to begin with, but likewhatever, kids like, I can forgive
it. It was awesome, right, But I would love in season three,
if there was a season three,to like see her going back to

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work and like, let's just freakingmake it like I had to get away
with murder, Like Courtroom to Ramawas celest well, and let's not forget
that the whole reason she stopped workingin the first place was that her wanted
Yeah, I would say a requestor slash requirement because oh mom, so
yeah, I wouldn't be surprised ifthat's where she went, and she probably

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got the taste back. And now, although I'm sure she has you know,
money coming in from Harry's a stateor whatever, but like, if
they want to earn more money,right, hard to go back to work,
right, good thing for her kidsto see. Two And I totally
see it. Yeah, agreed.You know, I'd love to see her
go into like some sort of nonprofitlawyering so like to help in her healing

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process that she becomes like a defenderfor like other like abuse men, like
oh just I could totally agreed.Yeah. Yeah. So we find out
that Mary Louise's son Raymond, andthis was actually horrible for me, Like
I felt like I wanted to throwup while watching this, But at the
same time, it also felt likekind of a cop out. So I

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guess she lost her temper while drivingand had a car crash and because she
was yelling at Perry, I guess, and that caused Raymond to die in
the back seat of the car.But Perry was okay, and she blamed
Perry and you know, I guessemotionally abused him. And then that we
get physical abuse with Celeste. Andwhile yes, I understand that that is

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probably plausible, it also felt likeit was I don't know, do you
mean in terms of the abuse orin terms of the death of Raymond.
The death of Raymond, I thinkit's I think it's totally plausible if a
car crash, not all the peoplein the car dive, but one of
them does, whatever reason, right, I think, And that's coming from

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I think the thing is Mary alwayshas a temper. And yes, but
we haven't seen it this but it'sthere because but it's certainly there flashes of
it. Never yes, the crazyscreaming, yeah, so yeah, trying
to forget the craziest scream right,that's right. I thought she was a
psychopath. It was like more justlike a mood swing than right. But

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so I I think that we canassume that, like her losing her temper
at Perry, this one time inthe car wasn't like a one time thing.
First of almost that was you know, the kind of environment that they
had growing up anyway, and thenthis complicates it and yeah, yeah,
which is even to like take ita step further than that. It's like,

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yes, that was implausible. ButI think the thing that I almost
found more confusing is why that wasjust coming up now and how Celest was
like, oh, Perry told methis. It's like, well, then
why did you just remember that Perrytold you this? Like why hasn't it
come up before? Now? Right? Did I miss something? Plat point?

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Right? I think I can sortof accept that because, um,
I think that Celeste was so onthe defensive and so taken by surprise of
this whole thing. She didn't eventhink until last episode to question the fitness
of Mary Louise. Right. Also, she has to sort of take us
a step back and think like,Okay, what was Mary Louise like as

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a parent? Oh? Yeah,one of her kids died. So I
think I think it's more coming froma place that that wasn't her focal point,
because she was so focused on likejust the whole like surprise of like,
oh my god, this person istrying to take away my children.
Not to mention like I don't knowhow her brain is really functioning on the
ambient, like can she really concentrateon a lot of things, you know,
just in a She's yeah in aeight right, right. I will

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say, though, I was expectingand maybe this would have been even more
cartoony, but I was expecting theway that Raymond died to be just like
a little bit more I don't know, like salacious or scandalous. Okay,
yeah, I think that's what I'mthat is what I am talking about.
Like that, I was. Iwas horrified and sick to my stomach over

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it because I can't imagine like causingme having a car crash and you know,
your kid dying, even if it'slike the first time you lose your
temper because I have two children,I lose my temper with them, or
even if it's just that's not likeright fault right, right. But yeah,
I think what you're saying, Shandyabout it being you know, more

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salacious was probably what I was thinking, is, well, yeah, but
do we think that? So tryingto trying to frame a question, give
more opinions and I'll come back toit. Um. I was surprised that

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Celeste mentioned Jane during that whole courtroomscene when she sort of brought her into
I was like, is this publicknowledge because it is now Well, I
think once the school knew, becauseeverybody in school knew M Chloe knew official
document, this is written down now. Yeah. Actually so I had the

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same thought in regards to the Janethink. But what I was going to
say is why were the children there? Well, good question, like a
yeah, yeah, they're they're young. Like I was under the impression that
they did not ask children what theywanted to like which parent they wanted to

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stay with until they were probably liketwelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen nine.
In hindsight, it seemed unnecessary,like in the scene where they're like talking
and like she's getting them ready,Like I thought that was a really beautiful
scene and really like demonstrate how howgood of a mom celest is. But

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then it's like when you actually getto the courtroom scene and like it really
was like, oh that it wasa cheap boy to get some dialogue in
because it's like the kid need tobe there in the end. Well,
I actually wrote down at that point, like the last courtroom scene, I
was like, is the judge evergonna get to finish what she wants to
say? I was really annoyed atthat. I was like, how dare

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you stand up to interrupt the judge? What? Mary Louise right, like
Nicole Ki celested it last episode.Mary Louise did this episode like she's a
superior court judge, like right,does she don't have a gavel? And
someone give that woman like she justlets everybody. Does she have control over

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her courtroom? They're not? Clearlynot. That must be how you hippie
Californian elitist coastal people do it.You know, smoked dooby and came out
like let's try this thing. Yeah, let's do it. Put pants on
under these rope this morning, let'sgo. Um. It's just very very

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taken aback that the judge never gotlike nobody had respect for her. Clearly
nobody had respect for that court sincethey were all dressed like they were going
up freaking eyehop. So they havethey all have cars, like Jane could
have put an outfit her right nadaand her like beat up old guard at

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the end. I feel so badum speaking of cars. But then yeah,
the kids, like anything could havecome out that those kids could have
heard, like what do they needto be there for? They did not
need to be there it's just theywere they were a plot device. It
was like, so they could youcould have that scene with celestin I'm in
the beginning, and so you couldhave that scene where Celeste tells them to

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go over and give Mary Louise ahug exactly. Actually the reason why the
kids were there, right, andthe video that she finds that's like the
perfect was it? Do do weX do sex machina do X machina?
Somebody correct my latin. I haveno idea. I never took Leaton,
Dave, daves day e us Xmochia. You know, we're like the

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plot. You have this magical solutionto a plot that makes it all work
out, falls into your eyeballs untilyour iPad. Yeah, that's funny.
When she was when she was firstwatching the iPad, I was like,
what's on the iPad? Celeste?Oh, that's funny. I thought she

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was good. I thought she wasgoing to start flicking it to the iPad
again because we had the flashbacks,you know, so I thought for sure
that we were going to get anotherone of those. But I don't understand
how this works, Like maybe becauseI don't have kids, or maybe it's
just so I don't know, butlike, how many videos are on there

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that she doesn't know what? Okayis this yet I've just like shared by
all the members of the family,Like that seems strange, thank you.
Well, unless she had her kid'seye cloud information and like all their stuff
automatically uploaded, which is which istotally possible. But how is it that
she never saw that video before?Right? Right? Right? I mean

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we know she's in video. Yeah, she's not far back when she's scrolling,
so right, find this thing rightexactly? Um, But so that
brings me up to I think probablythe last two things I really have with
Celeste is one she has this verymoving line in the car with Madeline and

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she says, how can I letthem live in that house? How can
I let them see such things?They saw so much more than I knew?
And I think that that really speaksto really what the boys were like
last season, that we didn't putit all together at once, where Max
was biting and abusing poor Almabella.But and then you know that comes back

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around at the end where she's like, my kids took this video. So
the memory that you think I'm tarnishingis already tarnished. They just don't really
understand it. I just thought thatthat was really powerful and kind of serves
as a reminder that kids see andunderstand more than we think. And that

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comes back into play with Bonnie rightwhere she's remembering all these things from her
mom, and you know, becausekids really do. They might not say
anything, but they do observe morethan you think, and you don't realize
it until they mimic you or theysay something. I was in I came

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back yesterday. God, it feelslike age ago from San Diego, and
I had two bottles of milk forAlex in a carry on, and I
had an ice pack, and ofcourse the ice pack by the time I
got to there before it wasn't onehundred percent frozen. And they deemed it
it was like a big blood block. But they like shook it and then

(25:18):
deemed it that I had to throwit out right, and I was like,
I have a seven hour travel dayahead of me, Like I really,
like, what are you supposed todo? Because they had too much
liquid, so they threw it out. They were like, you can either
leave the line and check it inyour bags, or you can check it
or you know we're gonna throw itout and negates the purpose of bringing the
milk with me if you're gonna makeme check. Oh, I know.
I was so annoyed, and Ieven said to them, I was like,

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by the way, I think thatwe can all here agree that this
is bullshit and I'm not going toblow up a plane with an ice pack.
But cool, cool, cool cool. I may have gotten a little
bit a little bit feistier when Iwas like, we can't solve gun violence,
but thank god, they're taking myfreaking ice pack. Four real,

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I was really mad. I waspolite to them, So, okay,
I was polite. I was.I mean, I was somewhat polite to
them here I have a point tothis story. And but we get into
the elevator to go to the gatebecause we have the stroller, and Jay
and I are fighting because I'm likethat's when I was like, we can't
fucking selve gun violence. But blahblah blah. They got my eyes pet
and he's like, you knew thatthey probably could have taken it. Why

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didn't you just blah blah? AndI was like, because I didn't know.
They let me take it on thefirst time, and like, so
we're like arguing in this elevator andmy five year old goes, guys,
stop fighting right now, it's justan ice pack. Literally, like,
guys, exclamation point there you go. So and we just stopped dinner trucks.

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We're like, okay, you're right, but like kids take in more
than you think. Story. Um. Hopefully his lesson was that, you
know, never fight with your futurepartner over an ice pack. Um.
I don't think it's more important thana thrown out ice pack. Yeah,

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oh yeah. The principle. Whydid we all yet one scene with all
the school people. That's true,I missed the principle, real bad.
That would have been would have beena real treat to see him one more
time before the end of the season, exactly exactly, especially with everyone's fall
from Chris right, I know,yes, wouldn't have been. The second
most satisfying scene would be the Principaland Nata the principle, especially now that

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now that the nanny stuff has comeout, which speaking of, we can
move into Renata. No, no, I don't want to move into Renata
yet. I want to end withher because she's the best hum ed ed
boxing And then they had this wonderfulline actually that I actually really was like,
oh, where Chloe is, Likehe seems he seems mad, and

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Abigail was like, well that mustmean that he loves her a lot.
That was really sweet. Thought thatwas very wise words from from a teen
right, Definitely, Yeah, Ithought that was great too. Yeah,
although I do have this note thatit is all about boxing. What's up
with the men and the aggression?Well, because he took it out on
the boxing on the one hand,like this is a healthy way to get

(28:30):
it out, but the symbolism toois like I mean Madeline even said like
are you imagining me? When you'rerighting that? Like, yeah, all
them, all the man are superagro, like was Nathan now, because
Nathan was only really super agro towardsI mean, is really just a pile
of nothing so and now even moreso. But yeah, I don't know

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if he's agro in all situations,but that was enough to be like,
dude, grow the fuck up,get over your coxic masculine right. I
will say though, jumping for asecond, I really loved the way that
the Bonnie ed I don't love youand I've never loved you. I don't
think I've ever loved you. Seenewas acted Bodnie Nathan. I'm sorry.

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I thought that that scene was sowell acted. Yeah too, Yeah,
And I was honestly just the slightestbit surprised because I half expected her to
tell him about he did she did? I think she did. She did
later, but in that moment,I thought that's what it was going to
be. And when she came outwith her truth about the relationship, but

(29:37):
I was just like whoa, butalso like get a girl. Yeah,
and in that moment, that seemedlike the more important truth to unveil.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Butokay, so ed um Madeleine. You
know Madeleine. We didn't really geta whole lot from her the last few
episodes. It was her storyline waspretty quick. But I loved that they

(29:57):
were knew their vows. I reallydid. My husband cried multiple times and
he was like, I'm getting sotiri eyed, and I was like,
well, that's because anytime Adam Scottis involved with a wedding, you seem
to cry stacy to do I getit, Like seriously, he has watched
the Parks and Rex scene that episode, the proposal and the wedding and he

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cries every time, and I'm like, you've seen this like five times both.
That's a great character. It alwaysjust hits you in a slightly different
place, apparently, I did.I loved what Ed said about people changing.
Yeah, I'm not the same personI was when we got married.
Neither are you. And I justI really love that because like my husband
and I talked about that all thetime, how like I mean, and

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it's like Ed said, when youget married, it's like this leap of
faith, and I do, Imean, I definitely subscribe to that,
because you don't you yourself don't knowwho you are going right in ten years,
you know, five years, tenyears, twenty years, and how
you are going to change and developas a person, and you sure as
hell don't know like what your partner'sgoing to be like. And all you
can sort of hope is that youcan work on growing together while not impeding

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the other one from you know,developing and and flourishing and still having enough
like common ground and in common thatyou keep choosing each other even all these
years later. And I just reallyliked that. I did too, Yeah,
well, put I did too.That was Yeah, very well put,
yeah, yeah, we talked aboutall the time, so every everything

(31:32):
you said agreed, agreed. Yes. And you know what, I would
really love if we do get aseason three. I would love to explore
a happy Madeline and Ed and whatthat new dynamic is. And it was
actually really hysterical when she was likefor better or for worse and he was
like, yeah, your worse isoff the table. I think that's a

(31:56):
fair. Yeah, that made melive really hard. It is it is,
it's fair, and it's not becauselike I think he was joking around,
like I do know, I agree, I agree it was. It
was a fun joke and it waslike apropos and everything. But I mean
there is something to be said abouthow like that, like cheating on Ed
is a hurtful thing to do.There are a million ways that you can

(32:22):
and do hurt your significant other,and as a society, we've deemed cheating
to be the worst one. ButI would maybe call that into question.
It's just like maybe we don't needto rank them. You know, we've
actually I think that we've seen allof the husbands and we've run the gam
it, right, I mean husbandsand wives, because we have had the

(32:44):
cheating. We've had the the cheatingand the fortune, the cheating and the
family fortune. Do we forget thatwe've had the abusing whatever else? Um,
yeah, we We've run the gamutof terrible things that people do to
each other. And I think,Shandy, you're right, on a scale

(33:06):
of family fortune to domestic abuse,cheating probably isn't the worst in its Yeah,
probably not. You know, tobuying a treadmill's let's not forget that
that one was pretty egregious. Gettingan outdoor runner of treadmills. I was
awful. Yeah, very thoughtful.It's a very thoughtful, thoughtful gift.

(33:29):
The only other thing of note thatI, you know, had about Madeline
this episode, And maybe I missedsomething, but I thought that it was
very well, a convenient and Madelinelike but poignant that she came back to
the lesson and said, you know, this lie has a shelf life,
and I think that we've reached it. And it's you know, it's I'm
now seeing in the matter like Ithink Madeline. We must have missed.

(33:52):
There must have been scenes that werecut out where Madeline had all sorts of
like come to Jesus moments or howshe arrived at them, but here she
was, and she says, shejust talks about like how it's ruining everyone,
including myself. So I thought,I think we saw quite a bit
last episode of Metal and Unraveling.We did. Yeah, it's just her

(34:15):
storyline. It was more truncated,I think than some of the others.
I feel like, yes, there'sthere's a bit as a viewer that you
had to kind of connect some definitelyto get there. I mean there was
a whole weekend getaway, a wholeweekend getaway, Ben getaway. Yeah,

(34:36):
okay, who else? Um?Jane? So I was right, Corey
is too boring to be a plant. Yeah. I you know, Amanda,
you had this wonderful theme back atthe start of this podcast that we
were going to see whatever the bigclimax was, it was going to happen
in the aquarium. And I stilldon't think that you're wrong. I think

(34:57):
that Andrew Arnold might have planned allof that, but it didn't unless the
climax and the aquarium was Jane,and we missed something right. True,
we did get that beautiful image ofthem kissing right in front of the big
tank, and um, I haveof so many pictures like right there,

(35:20):
really right, Yeah, it's Iwill actually I'll post a do a little
little instagramming of that. Awesome,but yeah, I don't know. I
mean, I'm glad that Jane gotto have, you know, sort of
a happy ending and seems to havecome around and all of a sudden in
one episode be able to like,you know, be physically intimate with someone

(35:40):
again. Like okay, but thenthere's part of that but still sort of
plays into this narrative that we seeall too often of like the male pursuer
not hearing the know even though thereis a quote unquote nice guy, that
part was just like I don't know, I mean, I can't hate him
because he's like he is nice.He did turn out to be nice,

(36:02):
but also well she she went upto him at the end, right,
and was like I think he wentup to her. Yeah, her was
she initiated. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, you're right, you're right,
you're right, right, just doand they're contemplating the fishes and as
you one does. Right, Butyou know, I think you can,
like for Devil's Advocate, like youcould say if Jane was like I'm really

(36:25):
I said, go away, Ithink he probably would, but I am
I'm inclined to agree with you.Yeah, it was a little too rescuing
of the damsel. Corey's having fun, y'all. So it's all good,
he said, I'm having fun.Yep, there'll be more more surfing in
Jane's future. Who all the paddleboarding, all the paddle boarding. Yeah,

(36:52):
so, I know. I thinkthat Jane's storyline was probably one of
the other ones that was more kindof cut short for the sake of editing
and really the sake of the CelesteMary Louise storyline where we had even it
was told and like we saw it. It was told, we saw it,

(37:14):
and it wasn't so much like tome, it wasn't like she just
like leapt right into it because itwas kind of set up to me,
like with the ziggy scene about loveand like he was kind of giving her
the blessing in the beginning. Thatto me when they finally ended up hooking
up more so, I thought,Okay, that's probably like she's had this

(37:37):
cathartic release with seeing the Celeste stuff. She's had this release with her son
being like it's so you know,seemingly okay with it. That maybe that
gave her the courage to see ifshe could do that, and I was
I was fine with that, which, by the way, we didn't mention
that scene where the women are allwatching celesque video of the abuse. Their

(38:00):
reactions and like the court and reactionsare incredible, Like everybody does something and
it's very true to character, andit's just if you go back and rewatch
that like eight seconds, it's it'svery good. Like acting is the thing
that happens in between lines. Yeah, like very very good. So yeah,

(38:21):
like I guess I don't know.I like Tom the waiter, Barer
tender whoever, he was better,but whatever, Yeah, we'll take Corey.
Yeah, maybe she needs a gorypersonality than Nathan. So I still
know exactly, And I still thinkthat it was pointless to tease us for
a week if he was a informantor not or a cop, just to

(38:45):
be like a whole big nothing burgerbut whatever, right, that really felt
unnecessary. Yeah, there was alot of stuff this season that kind of
felt unnecessary, which again I thinkwas why did we have to have every
episode b forty two minutes? Couldn'twe have pushed that our mark and we're
on HBO and The Thrones did it. Let's do this. There was a
whole retreat that we didn't get tosee. There was a whole retreat.

(39:06):
Audience members are enraged by it inthey don't know what they're missing. Yeah.
Yeah, So with Jane and like, I get what you're saying,
calling about like all these different factorsthat have helped her, maybe I don't
know, get some closure, LikeI don't know, he'll I suppose,
yeah, he'll to the point whereshe's able to all of a sudden be

(39:27):
super physically comfortable with with Corey.But it's just like the the scene a
couple of episodes when they like almostpicked up and then didn't. It's like,
yeah, there's just very like thebody remembers, you know. So
it's a very physical way that shereacted to him that you can't just cure
in you know. Oh yeah no, I'm not saying that you could just

(39:51):
cure it. And I mean itwas also cut short by the ending,
so who knows if there wasn't likea take it slow or you know,
one of the like token like kindof things. Right, and to be
fair and what we've sort of discussedand what we know about Andrea Arnold's directing
style, she probably did shoot alot of stuff where like a really beautiful

(40:14):
kind of wandering camera of them,like trying to like figure out what being
intimate now looks like. That probablyjust didn't make it into the episode,
and I think, as you know, we're all kind of discussing, it's
a detriment to her storyline exact wouldhave been nice to see we had what
that looks like. So we've alwayshad in this show a lot of drama

(40:36):
and a lot of like over thetop stuff, but there's always been mixes
of real people reaction, and Ithink that that's always been to the benefit
of the show, Like with thecomplicated nature of Celeste and her abuse,
where I think you're right, Amanda, with whatever was going on the ending
this season, we kind of missgetting that. We got that from Jane,

(41:00):
yes, but we kind of missedgetting the follow through with that with
Jane, Like you know what Imean. It kind of felt victim to
the courtroom scenes, like or wait, we need to get one. We
need to start the episode with onemore flashback of what happened that night.
We can't keep this scene with Janeand Korean. It's it's kind of important,
but I mean, a goot,we need we need, we need

(41:23):
one more, one more scene ofPerry on account with his boys, just
in case the audience didn't get thatshe kind of was conflicted. Still,
I might forget what Perry looked like. Why we need to, like,
I mean, find point that Ithink he's a handsome fucking man, but
like we're cool. We could haveseen more of the rape survivor dealing with
being physical again. Yeah anyway,yeah, just notes for next time around,

(41:47):
now take her leave exactly. So, Bonnie, I was so scared
so many times that she was goingto kill her mother, and I was
gonna be like, I'm done myhusband or cash shouting he's and enders where
bonding kills someone? It's not howyou tell stories. No, very thankful

(42:09):
that yeah same here that the sowhere we meant meant to believe that all
of this like vision kind of stuffwas her mom like giving her visions the
way that she had her visions orwhatever, saying like I don't want to
be alive anymore. When is thatwhat that was supposed to be? Like?

(42:30):
Because she goes, she sits herin her bed with the pillow.
She's like, so you don't wantto be here anymore. But it was
a sweet moment when she said thatshe loved her. Yeah, in retrospect,
I mean at the time, youwere like, oh, please don't
smother her after you do this.Well, my husband kept thinking that he
poisoned her at the end, shepoisoned her. I thought that too,

(42:52):
actually, and then and that's whatI was like, Yeah, I know.
I was like, oh god,no, I'm so glad. I've
been off the internet for two days. I don't know if I can handle
this Bonnie's story. I mean,it was weird the season, and there
were parts of it. I thinkwe've talked about that we were like,

(43:14):
uh huh, this is a choice. But I think I I liked how
they told as revealed last week,like when I pushed him, I pushed
you, like I dealt with that. I liked how that was done.
The vision stuff was weird because ithad to me, it didn't really have
a conclusion other than like she knewher mom wanted to die, and then
I guess it was wrapped up andI did. I did kind of like

(43:36):
even though it was a really weirdmontage they were like, Celeste, you
have won your kids back, butlet's immediately cut to a scene of Bonnie's
dead mom, Like, oh,and I think it was an interesting juxtaposition
between Celeste, who got found herstrength by being like bigger boulder, more

(43:59):
aggressive, dare I say? AndI think Bonnie you found this very in
her, in her quiet, calmstrength, that paired very nicely between the
two. They both kind of wenton a similar journey, but it presented
very very differently. Yeah, andI think I took. I took all
those flash flashes and visions and stuff. It's just another way that Bonnie is

(44:22):
forever tied to her mom. Thatlike, yeah, in a family,
you take the bad and the goodand they are connected and intertwined regardless.
And I think that was part ofthe stuff that like those two characters connected.
Actually really liked that. To me, I interpreted that she found her

(44:45):
peace to tell Nathan and you know, confess presumably at the end, and
say goodbye to her mother where wesaw that scene where her mom says I'm
sorry when she wakes up, andthen she goes back to this peaceful moment
on the beach, hugging her momand her mom is carrying her when she
was a little girl. Honestly,I didn't realize that she was dead until

(45:06):
we saw that scene. Yeah,when at first I thought she was just
sleeping, and then you know,I saw that scene and then it cuts
to the empty bed and that she'spicking up the cards, and I was
like, oh, wait, shedied. I always took it that she
died in between that, like wedidn't see the actual moment. No we
didn't. I don't think that wedid. But I did really like that
we had that flashback in that momentthat I think that must be like a

(45:29):
happy moment for Bonnie. And thenI really liked that Bonnie found her voice
at the end to tell Nathan,and she found it last week to tell
her mom, then tell Nathan,and then to presumably tell Quinlan at the
end. And I really loved howthe other women rallied around her and showed
up to be there. Oh yeah, no, that was great. But

(45:49):
I was gonna say, like Isaid earlier from that roundtable video where where
Zoe was talking about Bonnie's healing processand how like basically in like last season,
she thinks that she's sort of healedherself through her yoga and her meditation,
and I mean we could even addalso through her marriage to Nathan,

(46:10):
but it's all kind of just likemasking, right, the actual work underneath
that still needs to be done,that comes out with the stuff with Perry,
and then we see her in thethroes of like this really hard process
in because it's like then she's likeripped off this giant band aid, and
so at the beginning of season two, she's really struggling, and then,

(46:31):
like you were just saying, Colleen, by the end, it's like one
by one she sort of finds herplace in a way to to actually tell
her truth to all of these differentpeople, starting from like really, you
know, her earliest truth, whichis her mother, her like the first
figure in her life. And thenshe has to tell Perry, who is

(46:51):
like, you know, she's beenmarried to for the past however many years
Nathan? Then who did I say, Perry? Oh god us until Nathan
um And then going to I guessthe highest like legal stakes but maybe the
less emotional stakes, but going tothe present day to tell Quinlin, but

(47:13):
I did I loved Like again,when everyone showed up, it was like,
Okay, transportation time and where areyou coming from? Like sure you
all got there at the same timeand whatever, but but like again,
that was a little bit cartoony,but I was fine with it because it
was nice to see them all thereand I liked that. Yeah, I
agree, well, and are weled to believe that Madeline leaves her own

(47:35):
like wedding renews are? I thoughtthat was weird too, But yes,
yeah, she's just like gotten thingsback together with edge like I'm sorry,
I have to go do something andI can't tell you. Or finally she's
like so aad now that we're like, you know, have renewed our our
vows. Um, here's this giantsecret I've been keeping from right and by

(47:59):
the way to go to the cops, so good bye. Yeah, I
think I kind of think what kindof also picture it as Jane came clean
and Madeline came clean, and thenthey all went there together because we know
Bonnie came clean, because you know, Nathan's like, can I go with
you? When the flower crown wasoff, the hair was undone, So

(48:21):
like my hope is that yeah,sometime had elapsed, Yes, hopefully,
Although I guess that ties back tothe beginning of the episode where Nicole Kidman
or Celeste tells Madeline the lie isthe friendship and at the end they all
came together to go in is oneand I thought that that was really nice.

(48:43):
Yeah, I like that that wasset up to be proven wrong,
that they moved past the lie andthey are just friends friends, because we
have seen enough examples of that,the fact that they all showed up in
the courtroom for Celeste time and timeagain. They always do show up for
each other. So yes, thefriendship started as a lie, but I'm
so glad that they really put afine point on that that it has moved

(49:07):
past that. Yeah. Yeah.And then finally Ranada, she had like
one and a half scenes with Gordonif that No. One scene in which
she managed to steal the entire episodeand take a baseball bat to his toys
because he fucking deserved it. Hewas just, oh my god, infuriating

(49:28):
in that moment. Okay, ifI had come home to my empty house
and I have Oh, by theway, her conversation with Mary Louise,
we are wrought Mary Louise beyond amazing. And then she's like, you know,
don't judge me. You judge,judge her, I love that.
I was awesome, and you knowthat. They just were like, you

(49:50):
know, let's give Laura Merrill anotherstep, another scene together. Why not
totally okay? So yeah, shecomes home and Gordon it's like the whole
house is empty, is like,yes, what, bitch, I guess
keep my toys voted not the worsthusband on like like every opportunity to be

(50:13):
a human being, he goes inthe opposite direction. At first I thought
he was drunk because he sounded slurry, and I was like, oh god,
but he's a terrible human being.I know. But we didn't have
any of that. And then beforeI saw the baseball bats, I said
to my husband, I was like, Oh, she's gonna take one of
those fucking bottles and she's gonna smashit on that table and then like it

(50:35):
immediately cuts up to the bat andI was like, oh, go oh,
she's gonna go through that. She'sgonna go do a bet. So
that was free and it ended actuallylike the perfect sized ice cream cone like
I would eat. I ate thatand it didn't regret it. Hours later,
Oh God, Gil Delicious loved wrinkles, hot syrup melted peanut butter,

(50:57):
all of it, and through thatring that we be agonized about before threw
it in his face. Yeah,I think that might be the lone reason
I would want a season three wasto see Nada on her own, like
reclaiming, like becoming rich again.I think I would love to see what

(51:19):
separated Gordon and Rnata look like,because you know it's gonna be filled with
amazing I own you scenes. Ihad read a comment on the internet that
was like, she went all Beyonceon his hess. Yeah, like in
Lemonade. The hold Up video.Indeed she did that is wonderful, so

(51:44):
good, which I only remember becauseAmanda, You're wearing a yellow shirt and
I believe Beyonce was wearing yellow inthat video. Guys, you're welcome.
I did that back on so yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, I'll
sing for you hold Up. Idon't love you like I love you.

(52:07):
You know I don't love me likeI love you. Okay, Um,
this is not the broadcast. Wecan't randomly burst into songs, so I'm
going to cut it off right there. But if you want to hear more
random songs, tune into the podcastor the Banishandi and Colleen, we frequently
just start singing random things. That'strue, date statement, that is a

(52:29):
legitimate statement. Um so anyway,then she ends it with a wonderful quote
which I think also kind of sumsup the spirit of Big Little Lies in
the Monterey five, which is,maybe you should have shown a woman in
some respect? Yes, yes,yes, yes. And then she,

(52:50):
you know, she hugs Amabella atthe end and says, we're gonna it's
gonna be okay yea. And evenif we don't get a Big Little Lies
season three, can we just haveher not a spinoff? Can that be
thing? I watched that? Yeah? Me too? Oh please maybe how
are you listening? Are you listening? Hbos? HBO? Can you hear
me not taking the bait? Nottaking the bait? HBO? Can you

(53:15):
hear me? Thank you for gettingthat? Oh see, that's that's what
season three would be better, BarbaraStreisand I know that's you know, Oh
my god. Can Barbara streisand playNada's mom? That would be amazing.

(53:37):
That would be amazing. Actually,I think that's perfect. I'd like I'm
imagining this character. Now, wecould talk, HBO. Come on,
man, come on, listen tous. And if not Nada's mom,
Bardon's mom, because I could seethat too. Let's just make it happen

(53:58):
enough of the mother in law.Let's oh, what other actresses like that?
We've had Merrill, we have ourBarber idea. What other women can
we put in as mom roles onbig little lives? Let's give some women
some some work, ones that don'tneed any help, any work. I
could choose Susan Sarandon has to beJane's mom. Yeah, yeah, I

(54:21):
like that. Yeah, I likethat. I think that Midler. I
feel like Bette Midler would be greatas as Madeline's mom, Madeline's mom,
I'd say, even her as Jane'smom. I feel we could buy the
two together. I could see that. I could see that. Yeah,
we'll have to, We'll have to. I feel like Goldie Hawn might be
good for Madeline's mom. Oh yep, I like that. Would it be

(54:45):
great if Jennifer Aniston did a guestspot as Madeline's sister, like Gone Friends
likes? That'd be pretty fun?Yeah, I don't know. I could
get behind the season three That's that'swhat I I mean. I like the
characters still, I think that Ithink that they they did wrong. They
did Andrew Arnold wrong, and theydid themselves wrong with the chopping up the

(55:08):
original vision, especially now that weall you know, because I think there
was a lot of admist everyone inthe fandom beforehand, like it's good,
but something just seems like not curlytotally right. And then once that came
out, everyone was like, ohyeah, like Amanda said on this very
podcast multiple times, the some ofthe scenes were choppy. You heard it

(55:34):
here, if you heard it here, right, Yeah, Andrew Arnold,
if you're listening, braced a completelydifferent vibe for season two instead of getting
cold feet exactly. And like AndrewArnold, if you're listening, you have
Shandy's number in Central Casting somewhere right, And if you if you wanted to
come back for season three, Ithink we've given you some really great suggestions.

(55:57):
I mean just saying the Bette Middlerone was golden enough. You don't
have to take any of them,but they are on offer for you if
you choose to except if you chooseto accept them. Yes. Also I'm
still around just saying yeah, yes, she is all right. So that
is what we had to say aboutit. We have a little bit of

(56:22):
what our listeners had to say.The first one up is from Mike Bloom,
what are three storylines you would liketo see for a prospective season three?
I think we just answered that question. I would like to see what
don't we each name one? I'mstill the best one that we just named,
and that would be Ranada, TheRanada Show with her mom, Barbara

(56:43):
Steisan and she is making it back. Yeah, yeah, I would watch
that. I think I would liketo see Celeste back in the courtroom,
maybe being Granada's voicelest lawyer. Yes, it would be really exciting to watch.
That'd be really fun. Yes.Um. I think one thing that

(57:04):
we got a little bit this season, um, but not too too much
that I'd like to see in afuture season is again going back to Madeline's
relationship with her daughters, especially sincethe oldest now is like, you know,
of of the age to go tocollege or not, like what's what's
that going to be when she's ayoung little adult. Yeah, I agree,
yep, me too. I yeah, I would like to see more

(57:29):
of just Yeah, I want tosee more of Celeste. I want to
see more of all of them.I would do I would be I would
watch to season three, I do, I mean, and Bonnie, now
that she's sort of yes, whydidn't we strength and in her peace?
I would love to see what she'sgoing to do with it. Yes,
I agree, Yes, I wasgonna say, does she stay in Monterrey?

(57:52):
But like, yes, of courseshe stays in monterri because of her
kid? Um, so what doesshe do from from there? Where does
she lives? Because we're guessing thatlike that house and everything, that's got
to be Nathan's money, right,because like I don't know how much yoga
teachers make, but it's not thatmuch. Yeah, but I don't know
what Nathan does do we we eversee in any kind of work environment at

(58:15):
all? Maybe it's just maybe moneyor maybe he does work. We just
it's never been relevant to the story. Um okay, but yeah, I'm
all down with all of those,Gail said. Tod responded that she has
at least two and that would beEd is assertive in their relationship and Madeline
has a hard time with the changesince she was the one who ran the

(58:36):
relationship, and Ranada moves in withCelest until she gets on her feet.
Gordon gets his money and satisfact beforeRanada because I like watching her. Flip
Oh, I could see that alimony. Yes, oh, Gail, that's
harsh, but I love it.I could see I am here for a

(58:57):
pissed Ranada and that'd be a great, a great comment done. How men
are more easily forgiven than women.Totally, but you know that Ranata.
Even if Gordon got his financial statusback before her, Ranata could still do
a lot of harm to his socialstatus. And that would be fun to
watch. It would be super funto watch. And then Christie said,

(59:22):
meanwhile, Noah really not liking thenegative press this season has received from critics
who clearly don't know what it's liketo be married, to have kids,
be abused and not know what todo. They just don't get the truth
about victims. Yeah, and Ihaven't really followed the press. I haven't
either, to be honest. Theymaybe that makes us terrible podcast just about

(59:43):
the show. No, it meansthat our opinions are our own and they're
less influenced by what other free said. Right, And I think I intentionally
tried to avoid reading too many otherthings because I didn't want to just yeah,
I didn't want to exactly gurgitating someoneelse's good point. I wanted the
points to be same. Have mylook points my one go to blog that
I generally read for a political stuff, but they do a recap of this,

(01:00:07):
and that's really all that I readabout this. Everything else. I
don't go to e W or anyvariety or any of those because I want
to be fresh for the show.But Chrissy also continues also Laura Dern,
she admitted that women stay with shittyhusbands who cheat. I think for her
that was a truth why because youstill believe they love you and your family

(01:00:27):
but just made a mistake. AllahMaddele it her thinking they lost everything and
then discovering he found a way tofinangle keeping his but not hers, showed
her he no longer gave a damnabout her or their family at all.
That's why it was the end forher. Before that, she thought they
were in it together no matter what, but she realized he wasn't even going

(01:00:50):
to attempt to protect her or Amabellaboy bye. I think that is so
much better put than we could havedone it, So thank you. Yeah,
no, I agree. I thinkif it was just like everything was
fine with them and then it cameout that he was diddling the nanny.
I think that she would have maybeforgiven him. But I think Christy's right.

(01:01:13):
It's like once everything combined, Yeah, the selfishness of the games and
everything. Yeah, I think shejust saw that he was just a selfish
person. Matt said, I thinkI'm probably done with this show. Certainly
the recent news doesn't help, butultimately it feels like the show is only
watchable for the performances, since thestory was all over the place. I

(01:01:36):
can't totally argue with that. Iwish we could see what Arnold's vision was
before a dozen editors were through withit. On that note, has any
cast member spoken at about this,especially the ones with executive producer credit?
It kind of undermines the whole themeof women supporting each other. Oh,
it kind of does valid point.And I don't know. I was at

(01:01:59):
Comic Con when this came out,so I missed a lot of it.
I don't think that we I know, we didn't hear much about Andrea Arnold
in preseason press, and she hasn'tbeen mentioned in the roundtables, right,
Nope, Nope. So I wonderif they'll ever say anything. It'll be
interesting to see if the show winsawards, if anything will be brought up

(01:02:22):
during awards season, I have afeeling it probably won't because I feel like
the actresses with right and the publicistcredits are traditionally a little more private.
Yeah you know, I mean yes, Rheese Witherspoon has done a lot of
really wonderful advocacy, but I feellike when it comes to the things that

(01:02:42):
she's actually working on, I feellike she doesn't really like talk to the
press so much, so I feellike she wouldn't. I feel like she
wouldn't say anything. But just toclarify, just as the TV production person,
dozens of editors work on a show, regardless if an editor, if
a director has been pulled off aproject or not. It takes a lot

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of hands to make good television,So don't blame the editors, right,
gaiel So the only thing that Ifound bothering is celestinated to show the video
to prove her abuse, and Bradsaid me, one is expected, not
really anything earth shuddering. Great acting, cinematography, and especially editing. Of
course, the podcasting has been stellar, thank you. The directing, though,

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was a little lacking. Winky faceto finish up. We have two
more emails, do you okay?So the first one is from Shannon,
and Shannon says, hey, ladies, I just started listening to the podcast,
and so far I'm really enjoying yourcoverage. I tried a few other
Big Little Eyed podcasts, and yoursis by far my fav Thank you.

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Thanks. I just wanted to pointout Mary Louise's lawyer is played by Dennis
O'Hare, not Dennis I know.That was my bed, thanks Shannon.
Yeah, okay, so I totallymessed that up. That was me and
they are very very different people,and I was Dennis o hair. I
probably would not want to be mistakenfor Dennis oh leary, So thank you

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for calling men on that nice Andthen the second email we have is from
our friend Christie. So, Iwas thinking about episode six and how it's
laid out there in court, justhow over the edge Celeste has been since
Perry died. I wondered how muchof that spiral had to do with her

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lack of closure. Last season,we saw she was taking control to leave
him and finding her power. ThenBonnie pushed him and he dies, and
she isn't really able to confront herabuser. Does that leave her feeling lost?
I could see it. She continuesto flail about until she finally seems
to get it together her second timeon the stand. Then she really takes

(01:04:57):
control when she sees oh sorry whenthey She really takes control when she says
she wants to question Mary Luis goodwords. Then she really takes control when
she says she wants to question MaryLouise, who is now her new abuser.
I think confronting her will bring herthe full closure she needs to declare
herself fully free. Cannot wait tosee her get that. It will be

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beautiful, I hope. Lol.Thanks guys, Christie, Yeah, that's
a really great point. That isnot something I had considered. Agreed,
Thank you totally. Yeah. Andit's so true that like she goes from
Harry to this new abuser, whichis you know, like no longer physical

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but definitely emotional. And but yeah, she does finally get to confront her,
and I think that she did.I think we could say that she
did get closure and she got toregain some of that power back yet completely,
which is why we need to seethe new Celeste in season three.
Also, we didn't see the therapistat all the last two episodes. Way,

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no, we did not. Iwonder if there were scenes that are
cutting floor or get into the episodesvery interesting. Yeah we did. Um.
We did get a mention of herin the last episode when Celeste was
on the stand and she was talkingabout how she had the only person she
had told certain things with it wasa therapist. Yeah, her therapist,
and that whole discussion was interesting aboutlike why would you hide something from your

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therapist? But yeah, we didn'tget her in person. Thank you to
everybody who wrote in. I thinkwe are going to do another wrap up
show at some point. It mightnot be for a couple of weeks.
We might try to have some guestson We'll see and that would be if
you can send us an email thebroadcasters that's the broadcast with an ear and
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three seventy three. We love hearingfeedback and discussing it. Shanny, do
we have any local news here foryour your possible last local drip plastical drift?
So I think the only real newlocation that we got was the Monterey
Superior Court or the California Superior Courtof Monterey County or whatever it was,

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which luckily I don't know experience neverhad occasion to go there, so I
don't know if they used the realfacade of that building or not. And
then we've already talked about it.But there was that scene in the aquarium
which is kind of a classic.I mean, I'm sure you can do
that at any aquarium, but it'sdefinitely kind of a classic Montere aquarium shot.

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And again, as mentioned, Ihave many a picture at that very
spot, so I will post screenshotversus I r L. Thank you,
and you will you'll put them theInstagram. So our instagram is the Broadcasters
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We are we're very you know,we search well. Um okay, thank
you, Shandy, Amanda take itaway with the music, because I have
to say the music was really greatthis episode. The music was really great
this episode. It was very sparse. Um, they used less tracks than
they do in most episodes, butwhat they use they used really really well.

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I thought. Um So the firstone being piece of my Heart the
Melissa Ethridge version, which is acover m of Janis Doplin. As we
you know most of us famous famouslyno gosh having a really speaking thing.

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H. We first hear this whenEd is out punching on the punching bag,
and then the second time we seeEd working out U he is listening
to Deep Inside You by Gloria Taylor, not a cover, but also it's
just an interesting song to work outtoo. I think, yeah, it's

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kind of a little a little morechill, you know, it's a very
ED song. Yeah, it's avery ED song. I wouldn't say it's
necessarily like a get you pumped song, but a great song. The next
song that was Yesterday by Leon Bridges. Interesting fact, Leon Bridges wrote this
song specifically for Big Little Eyes andprobably more specifically to be on the forthcoming

(01:09:27):
Big Little Eyes soundtrack. Uh.And it plays while Madeleine and Ed are
making up and are deciding they're goingto renew their vows. Very cool,
yeah, yeah yeah. And LeonBridges is just the best. I yes,
he's great, so so good.He's one of Jay's favorites. He's
seen him play here in Durham.Actually, i've never seen him live.

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I'm sure it was a great show. I'm very envious. Yeah, um,
I didn't go. I was athome with Zach, but home with
the kiddies. This was uh severalseven years ago, and when Zach was
just a little baby. Um,and now he's five and in kindergarten and
telling us to stop yelling at eachother or her wise pecks. Oh,

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they grew up so fast. Ibelieve the children are her future. Teach
them well and let them do themwell, and let them leave them way.
I see this isn't the broadcast.We didn't burst into song. Yeah,
oh, Shanny, it's contagious.Okay, okay, yes, okay,

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So did you mention Piece of MyHeart was played in full over the
credits, wasn't. I'm pretty sureit was. Oh, I thought it
was another most Etherage song over thecredits. No, I thought it was
the um they just continued the Willieum. No, so yeah they did,
and then at some point it switchesinto another most Etherage song. Oh

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You're You're good. I don't actuallywatch all the way through the credits.
That's really bad of me. Itotally should. It's entirely possible they went
back. I didn't listen that far. Yeah, sorry, Um, anyway,
you are probably right because you can'thave too much Melissa Etheridge in your
show. This is this is trueactually just that good. So the next

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song is a reprise, if youwill. It's Shake Sugary by Elizabeth Cotton
and Brenda Evans. If y'all willremember, this song was playing in episode
six when Bonnie and her mom werein the hospital room together, and it
makes another recurrence in the same spacewhen Bonnie is sort of making her peace

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and finally saying goodbye to her mother. This song has been covered in the
past by The Gravel Dead and BobDylan, but they decided to use the
original And I think that's really coolthat they decided to use the same song
twice. I certainly can't think ofa time in the shows in the length

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of the show where they've done that. I know they've done different versions of
the same song to sign to kindof harken back to a moment, by
as far as I remember, thisis the first time they've actually straight up
yeah, it's the same song twiceto really make it kind of like their
theme, right, And I thoughtthat was just a really cool choice.

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And an interesting fact about Elizabeth Cottonthat I found in doing my research for
this is that she didn't start actuallyrecording music until she was sixty six.
That's kind of grammy at the ripeold age of ninety. That's amazing.
Yeah, I thought that was superinteresting. It's very interesting. And there

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were too late, folks. Itis never too late to pursue your passions
and try something new. So cool. And then, last, but not
least at the at the closing ofour episode is have You Seen the Rain?
By Willie Nelson accompanied by his daughterPaula Nelson. This is also a

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cover, As we know, theshow is very fond of its covers.
The song was originally recorded by Creeden'sClearwater Revival, and this song it starts
as Ed and Madeline are renewing theirwedding vows, and then it plays out
through the end of the episode beforebefore apparently Miss Melissa Etheridge comes back for

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the credit. Yeah, that wasa beautiful cover. It really was.
I had never heard it before andI absolutely loved it. It's like the
Slowdown. I think it just pairedperfectly with the fact that, like our
five heroins were coming together and sortof finishing what they started in a way.

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Yeah, agreed. I loved itand I did they have an official
soundtrack app for season two yet?Because if they when it comes out,
I'll definitely check get Out at leaston Spotify. They do. I think
I had read that they were makingone big soundtrack that was going to encompass
tracks from both seasons. Oh cool, but hold on, I'll do a

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quick search. Keep talking about it, okay, so we'll vamp for you.
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events and news and whatnot is goingon in the world, from the serious
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news stories that we ever covered wouldbe the superintendent one. Right, guys,
remember the new Jersey superintendent. Okay, clearly that stuck out with me.

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Wait remember what we did last week, the poop guyoperintendent. Yes,
well, I wasn't gonna spoil itfor people. I want to ask to
have some integrity. That was soa year ago though, We've had a
lot of things since then, butyeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
please feel free to check us outyou haven't already, Amanda, did we

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find whatever it was that we werelooking up that I've forgotten? At this
point, it looks like there isa separate season two soundtrack. There's definitely
to a season one in season twoplaylists on Spotify. I am struggling to
on the fly to find a releasedate for That's Okay too, That's Okay
soundtrack, which means it's not outyet, and I'm sure all of you

(01:16:48):
internet savvy people will find it beforeI do. I'm still going to be
here scrolling around, so so findit, please please send it to me.
Yes, So, like I said, we are planning on doing at
least one more episode for this season. It may not be for a couple
of weeks though, because we've gotsome more broadcast vacations coming up of broadcasters

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