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June 19, 2025 45 mins
We live in a crazy, chaotic world, so can we really achieve intimacy with God? How can we get to a level of prayer that brings us close to the very heartbeat of God, He cradles us in His arms and locks eyes with us. Come join in with Terry Smith of Jubilee Christian Center and Kristi Kennell of BHOW as we talk about love at a whole new level! Locking eyes with the living God of all creation!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome everyone to this podcast coming to you from the
Brookville House of Worship, also lovingly referred to as be How,
located in the beautiful historical town of Brookville, Pennsylvania. Here
at be How, we are dedicated to bringing people together
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the one true living Christian God, and to disciple and

(00:29):
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other up and speak life into each other along this journey,

(00:50):
It's time to get started. I am Christy Kennell of
Brookville House of Worship, and I am here with Terry
Smith from Believe Christian Center in Clearfield, PA. Terry is
a true prophet of Yahweh God, that Christian and Israelite God,
and he hears very clearly the voice of the Lord
acquired through walking in close relationship with him. Terry always

(01:14):
has a fresh word from the Lord, and I'm so
glad to have you here on the podcast Terry, How
are you today?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Good? Good? I am.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
I'm kind of excited about being here today. So I
have some stuff from the Lord and it's good good. Yes, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
We're thinking about the importance of hearing God's voice and
how it is a foundation for so many things. Yes,
and I am delighted to hear what the Lord is
going to say.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Amen, So I'm gonna let you proceed.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh okay, so you jump in anytime, ask questions we
direct take me somewhere and say well what about this? Okay,
So you just do that and it'll be helpful. Sure, Okay.
So I'm assuming that if you're listening you already know Jesus.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
That may not be true.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
If you don't, Oh, if you don't, you can lift
up your eyes and ask Him to make himself real
to you, and he will, and you can yield yourself
to him. So I did that over half a century ago.
I'm not a real young guy, obviously, and I've never
regretted that once. Never, and it's been an adventure for

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this time.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I love it. I love him.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
So anyways, Jesus said, my sheep hear my voice, and
I know them, and they follow me, And he connected
being known by him with us hearing his voice and
being empowered and being able to follow him and to

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be with him where he is, where he's going, no
matter what it is. Isn't that something? So hearing his voice,
being known by him? When he says being known by him,
it's actually that words used in different ways. We're talked
about like Adam knew his wife is the most intimate
thing you know. And Jesus when it talks about being

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known by him, he knows us completely and chooses an
intimacy with us. Yes, and he not only knows facts
and information about us, he knows us and he speaks
to us, knowing everything about us, every weakness, every vulnerability,

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every gifting, every calling, everything it needs to be set
on fire and to come forth. And he knows all
of that intimately, and his voice plays upon.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
All of that.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
And as a result of that, we're empowered to walk
in the run with him and to do the father's will.
He said, my sheep, he's a shepherd. Hear my voice,
and I know them and they follow me.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Mmm.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's pretty good, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (04:02):
That is good?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
That is amazing.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's good. Let me just jump in right here. I
didn't expect to jump in this quickly. But in Genesis
three eight, where Adam and Eve were walking in the
garden in the cool of the day, and it said
they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in
the garden in the cool of the day, and the
man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of
the Lord God among the trees of the garden. And
we aren't at this minute talking about them hiding, but

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just how it says they heard the sound of the
Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of
the day. So he chose that beautiful time when it
was the cool of the day, and they heard him
before they saw him. Yes, so that knowing is also
that hearing. It's not necessarily even with your ears, yeah,

(04:47):
but just knowing him so well that that's kind of
how you hear him, Yes it is, yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, your spirit perceives him. I remember many years ago
I was on my way home from work. I was
I worked a regular job and passed it at the
same time then and just as I was about to
pull in my driveway, this is I think an illustration
of what you were talking about. I sensed just with
my spirit that God wanted to talk to me. It's

(05:13):
just more like just kind of annoying. I didn't have
a spontaneous flow of thoughts. I didn't have like a
little inspired mental image or any vision, just a sensing.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Like, oh, oh, okay, you know.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
And so when I went into house, dinner's ready, my
wife's there, my four little kids are daddy, and you know,
my wife says, you know, hey, you know, everything's ready.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I go.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
God wants to talk to me. Honey, I need to
go back to the bedroom and just give me a minute.
She's happy, okay. So I go to my bedroom and
I just kneel down by my bed and get quiet,
and the Lord spoke to me these words they will
serve me. And I knew he was talking about my
four children, and I knew he was giving me a

(05:56):
word to believe and do warfare with in the years
to come. But he wanted me to.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Know that, yeah, it's very it's how important that is.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, to hear his voice. And before there was any
I mean, that came as a very quiet, spontaneous flow
of thoughts. Okay, But before that was, before I heard anything,
it was just because I know him it's just I
just knew his desire to talk to me.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
You just have a sense a draw.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
It's like okay, yeah, okay, So that's very important, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
It is? It is.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
You have to learn that when God very quietly wants you,
you see, you respond. That's how you get to know him.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yes, yeah, and he moves in the timing of seasons
and things like that. Yes, so he needed to call
you in that moment to himself in that moment, and
you needed to respond in that moment. Four your children.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Oh yeah, yeah really yeah, yeah. His timing's perfect. His
timing's perfect. If we'll let him, he'll do us so
much good.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
If we'll let him. Yes, yes, Hearing his voice is
very important.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
See.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
He calls his people, his own, those who belonged to him,
his sheep. Now I've heard this from different sources. It's
even true today. If you go into mid East and
you have these bed ones and they have their sheep
or whatever, and they come to a watering hole there
maybe three different flocks, and the shepherds and the sheep

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are all mixed up all over the place, and then
one of them will take off one shepherd when he
figures they're long enough. He'll take off in a direction
and he'll start singing, and all of his sheep will
just turn around. They hear that voice and they follow him.
And you know, his hearers would have known that. I mean,

(07:58):
we don't see that all the time, but he would
have known that. Yeah, you know, my sheep hear my voice.
And so we're defined as as being sheep led by
a shepherd, and sheep really are absolutely dependent on the

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shepherd or they will die. They cannot live by themselves.
They can't even depend on each other and live. They
are absolutely dependent on the shepherd for protection, for feeding,
to keep them out of the blazing sun where they're overheated,
to share them everything, everything, And they're dependent upon his voice.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
And that's who we are.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
See, I mean that's just ABC Christianity. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
A lot of people don't know that.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, So we are completely dependent on him and on
his voice in him commute. He's living, he's alive, he
is yes, Yes, Yeah, that's very good, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
It is very good. Yes, it is very good. Thinking
I'm thinking about that here a little bit.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Without that sense of dependency, we can't grow as believers.
We can take discipleship courses and learn information. And I'm
not saying information is bad. We can volunteer church, we
can be I mean we can really, we can even do, sincerely,

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some behavioral modification.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
You know, I'm going to stop this, stop that, I'm
going to do that. I mean seriously.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
But none of those things in and of themselves will
cause you to grow, right, None of those things will.
It's only something happens by revelation, where God draws you
to his son and you respond to that, and Jesus

(10:02):
responds to you by revealing himself to you. And there
it is. There's the spark of life, there's the life. Yeah,
and once you taste that, that's everything.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, yes.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
And I'm thinking about too, how you're saying that sheep
cannot do anything independent of the shepherd. The shepherd is
always helping them with well the dead.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Me just forget it.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
They won't survive the way that I see grace. I
feel like grace is defined so many different ways. But
that's how I see grace as God giving us the
ability to do everything and follow through with everything that
he requires.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Wow, that is good.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
So the shepherd is showing them grace in a way.
It's like, okay, we I'm leading you to green pastures.
Here you will eat, and then we or the sheep
would proceed to eat, and then lead them beside still waters,
so the sheep would proceed to drink. But he brings
them to those place so that they have the ultimate

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best place to do that. And then you know, if
there are pestilence and things like that, he takes care
of that. But they have to listen to his voice,
so they have actions that they have to take. So
we take actions also. We're listening for his voice. We're
drawing it close to him so that we hear him
call us at the end of a work day when

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the wife has the food ready and you're smelling it
and the kids are all night and God very quietly
saying I need a minute, and it's but he gives
you the grace for that. He gives you the grace
to hear him. Yes, I think I've got a little
deep on that maybe, But to me, that grace is
just saying I need you here, I need you to

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do this, I need you to find me, I need
you to come have relationship with me. I need you
to have faith that I'm real, that I am God,
that I'm a living God. But then he gives us
the actual ability to do that it exchange, you know,
to help us.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's a very interesting thing. Yeah, you use the word need.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
A few times, and I want to talk about that, okay,
in terms of this intimacy with him, hearing his voice,
following him. God is his heart is such that he
makes himself vulnerable to us so that he doesn't need
in a sense like I need oxygen, I need food,

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I need water, you know, I mean, or I die. No,
God's not going to die. He's self sufficient. He has
life in himself. But there's a need that he has
that's that is so strong for us for that and
that need to be satisfied through us receiving from him,

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through us being you know, interacting with him and growing
and seeing and received and then being able to give
back to him. That I mean, it's a strong need. Ephesians.
That says, but God, who is rich in mercy because
of his great love with which he loved us, I
think the amplify says, in order to satisfy you know,

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his his great love, It's like he has a need
to show mercy because he's rich in mercy because the
love is so great, And so he has a need,
He has an emotional need to be satisfied through interacting
with us. And grace is that need is not dependent
on our fulfilling standards of righteousness. It's dependent on us

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responding to his relational call and wanting him. Yes, you see,
and then that power of the very being of God
locks on you and brings you in to satisfy that
need in God, and that's where your need is met.
It is crazy, it's just crazy amazing, Like who can
think of a god like that?

Speaker 2 (13:59):
You know? But he makes him. I mean, he.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Feels when I sin, he feels when I get cold
on him, or if I allow the things of the
world to be to choke out what he's saying to me,
to grow up like weeds and things. I mean, he
feels something.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
He feels.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
He feels when I choose to obey no matter what,
no matter, I mean, he does, he really does, and
it moves him. It does. And knowing that that that's
the heart to speaking to me and that I want

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to hear, I want to perceive and know and respond,
and knowing that it moves my Father and moves the
Lord Jesus. That's like motivation enough, right there, It really is.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
It is.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
So I don't know which direction we were going to go,
but this seems to be working, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
You know, we just start talking and this is yeah,
this is I love all these things we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I do we have to talk about more than information,
correct information and listen. I am into learning the Bible.
I am into memorizing. I am into understanding what every
book in the Bible is about the flow of every book,
the content of it. I mean, I'm into that. But yeah, really,

(15:28):
I mean, I'm seriously into that. It's there for us
to know. But you can't be discipled on that. It's
important to know it. But it has to come through
it's it has to come through the presence of God,

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through the heart of God. It has to come through
some of that, through the timing of God. I mean, yes, yes,
it does. It has to come through God in a
way that it's Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
So I'm having a little trouble here putting into words
what I want to say. I guess it's like this,
there's a personal parenting. Parenting parenting that the father does
for each one of his children. And if you miss that,
all that information is not going to help you. He
fathers us, Yes, and it takes years. He fathers us.

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And if that's what you have to want and love
and submit to and say yes to. Okay, I think
I got my thought out. I don't want to ramble
around too much, but.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
It sound good to me.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Okay, okay, very good.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
I have a scripture, second Chronicle sixteen to nine for
the eyes of the Lord. Oh yeah, move to and
fro throughout the earth, that he may strongly support those
whose heart is completely his. That is the beginning of
the verse. It does go on to say to finish,
you have acted foolishly in this way, yes or no.

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On you will have wars, But that looks like it
goes off in a different direction. But the eyes of
the Lord moved to and fro throughout the earth, that
he may strongly support those whose heart is completely his.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yes wow waite sentence. We can choose that, Uh, we
can relationship. Yes, we can choose that. I can know
that I turned my eyes on him and say I'm
completely yours.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
You're going to have to work it out Emmy, But
here's the checkbook. You write out every check for what
you want, and I'll I'll do it, right, I'll go
with you on it. I'm not there yet, but I'm
saying I'm in period.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's kingdom money anyway. Oh yeah, yes, I look at
everything as kingdom.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I mean we don't bring it into the world with us.
We're born with nothing and when we leave we don't
take it. So that shows me. When we're here we
steward it.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
So where's our heart, where's our treasure?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah? The best you can do is send it up ahead.
Yeah you can do is be doing that. But that's right.
While we're here, we steward it. Very good.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
So if the kingdom needs it and we have it,
unless God has designated for something and it's sitting there,
whatever it is, even if it's an action, if he's
asking for an action, move here, go there, visit this person,
say this, the answer needs to be yes.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well, we're going into topic. It's real good.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's not quite hearing God's voice, but he will direct
with his voice. But it's a very good topic because
what we have have it talks about the first Peter
four eleven something like that. It says, as a good steward,
as each one has received a gift as good stewards
of the manifold grace of God. Even so the minister

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the same one to another. And so now it's talking
about spiritual giftings and things there. But anything we have
which God has given us, we are a steward of it,
and in using it in his will and according to
his heart, releases grace. Like wow, God has put it

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in us to obey him and delive a lifestyle of
giving and giving as a means whereby he gives grace
to people. It's like, that's serious. I mean, that's like
so even in that it's so important to well you

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have that. It's a way of thinking. You have to
think that way because the world's not going to think
that way. You have to get that, you know, Jesus
has to bring you to that way. That's your delight.
You're his, You're his bond servant. Nothing is yours. You're
his bond slave.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
But then.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Can we hear God's voice in giving? Can we hear
God's voice and how to use everything we have and
how to be a steward of it?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I think we can, I think so, Yeah, I really
need to just make him lord.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, hearing his voice in awe of that boy, that's good.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, our heart becomes completely his.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
That's right. Now, here's a question. What are we after?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Are we after in success so that we can see
something that's built as a result of our efforts, or
are we after being set apart to the Lord to
be his and to obey him and to delight in
pleasing him.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
What are we after? Do we want something that we can.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Look at and say, ah, look what I've done, you know,
or look what God did through me? Or this is
I want this? I want this kind of ministry. I
want this to happen so bad I want the Or
am I am I first? Or am I really focused on?
First of all? Okay, Jesus, I am not my own.

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I am your bond slave, and my eyes are on
you to please you whatever you want. So you want
this kind of a thing that I can't produce. It
might be big or it might be small. It doesn't
matter what do you want? Anyways, I'm trying to get
at the distinction because there's so much frustration that comes
from trying to build things and not knowing not first

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of all, but that'll stop you from receiving the enjoyment
there is of knowing your eyes are for him alone
and you please him first of all, and there's a
communion and of knowing each other in that where God
can trust entrust you with more and do it and

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you're not flaking off the wall because you have to
have something to affirm your identity. Yes, you know, this
is real stuff. The frustration does not. That's where the
frustration comes in. It's like an identity issue, you know
what I mean? A lot of times that's where it comes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
And while you're speaking that, I'm thinking two things he said,
to become like children, oh yes, yes, and delighting in
what the father delights in. When you do something and
you know that your father has instructed you on that
somewhere along the way and you've done it independently and
you call him over and say, look, I just did this,

(22:59):
even down to taking out the garbage or something. I
hate to say garbage when we have such a beautiful
moment going on right now, But is the first thing
that popped into my head say a chore? Okay, so
you're a child and your father has shown you to
do the chore, such as taking out the garbage, walking
the dog, and you get to that point where you
do it on your own and your father sees that.
It's like you change the garbage. And even though that's

(23:22):
all that happened, it's more than that. It's the fact
that you heard him, that you listened, that you did
it correctly, You did it on your own without him
asking you over and over, without any additional discipline or
you know, punishment or encouragement or anything. You just went
through with what the Father asked you to do. So

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becoming like a child and delighting in the fact that
you've just delighted the Father in anything, and to bring
it up a level, you know, talking to somebody about
the Lord, and they get saved, and they come into
the kingdom and they begin to walk their walk and
they find God's purpose for them. That is exciting. That
is the delight of God's heart, you know. And when

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our delights of our heart start to line up with
the delights of His heart, it's more than can I
have a new car, Lord bless me with a new car.
It's it's just walking into the presence of God in
prayer and saying what's in what's on the agenda today? Father, Okay,
here's what I have scheduled to do that I need

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to do. But lead me where I need to go,
help me to say what I need to say, and
whatever that is, I say yes and I will follow through.
And I think that he's just overjoyed in that. And
now that I've gone off so long on this, I
forgot what my second thing. Oh yes, I do, I know,
Thank you Lord. So you were talking about the eyes

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of the Lord, and then I had brought up a
scripture how they moved to and fro and but you
were saying about looking around, and I thought, I just
had this moment of just seeing our eyes meet his
those moments when we're seeking to please him, when we're
seeking to align with him, when we're seeking what his
heart wants, and if he is looking to and fro,

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do our eyes actually line up with his in those
moments and we connect. That's beautiful when they do.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's when he conveys to you what's in his heart
at that moment. And as you can, and then you
receive power in your inner man to sustain a gaze
upon him with more frequency and for longer periods of time.
That's grace, that's power in your spirit, okay, and it's

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very important. That's extremely important, so that there's he imparts
what's in his heart to yours and you get spiritual discernments,
spiritual understanding. So, yeah, those those times when he's looking,
we're looking at him. In the Song of Songs Song
of Solomon, it says that at one point he says,
you have dove's eyes. Now, the dove actually is the

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only bird that can take both eyes and look at
one thing while the other bird one eyes looking this
way and the other eyes you know, going whatever some
other direction.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
You know.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I know people listening can't see that, but it's they're
like that. I heard a couple of preachers say that,
and I go, is that true? Well I looked it
up a couple places and it is.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
You know, the dove can focus both eyes on one thing.
And so he says to his beloved, you have doves
eyes because she would take her eyes and focus on
him and what he was able to do in her
as a result of that. And then later on in
the book he calls her my dove because her whole

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being took on the characteristics of being focused on him,
because that's what she was doing with her eyes, and
it permeated her whole being and that became her character.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
You are my dove.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Wow, isn't that something that's beautiful?

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yes, it is, Yes, it is. You see, that's very
personal between you and the Lord. That's what every believer
has before them, that Jesus is viting them into.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Every believer.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yes, it's just so far abundantly more than just saying
the little salvation prayer. Yes, is stopping there. It's understanding
that you can go so much more further than that,
and then getting the understanding of how how do I

(27:33):
talk to God in that way? You know? How do
I get there? From just not knowing God at all
and somebody saying pray this prayer, and then learning to
walk beyond that and to actually walk in a relationship
with this God that you can't see, but who speaks
to your heart and draws you in until you become
his dove. That is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
So he locks eyes on you and he doesn't like
go that's right.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Wow, he does.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
In another place in that book, it talks about where
she is just like overwhelmed with the sense of his love.
And she's tired because she's been pursuing him so hard
and it's so much, and she's just in the natural
like tired, and so she cries out to him to
you know, like, let your left hand be under my

(28:25):
head while your right hand embraces me. And then he says, okay,
Daughters of Jerusalem, that means, other believers, just let her
alone by the hinds of the field and the gazelle's no,
those are animals that can be very easily be frightened away.
Let her sleep until she awakens. In other words, I
have her in her time where I'm holding her head
so that she can I'm empowering her head so that

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because she's too tired, so that she can continue to
look at me with sustained vision. And I'm embracing her.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
You see.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
With what I'm empowering, there's power going, grace going into
her to and enable her to be face to face
with me. And I don't want anyone else taking her.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Out of this.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Until what I want to do during this period of
time is over. Okay, there are distinct seasons. So she
is the one who says, let his left hand now
the right hand of God in scripture is the power
of God the manifest the right you know, the right
hand or the right arm. It's like God's power coming

(29:29):
and manifesting. I think of the left hand of God
is grace given, but it's quiet. It's not outward manifestation
and the power. But it goes into you as power
as life, and and so you may not feel the
power holding your head, so you cannot it doesn't fall
down and your thoughts go somewhere else for days or whatever.
But there's grace by faith you receive. And she cries out,

(29:53):
let your left hand be under my head, and your
right hand embrace me.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
She asks for that.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I want you to do this for me, and I'm
willing to yield to that grace that I hardly even feel.
But I know you're sustaining. I receive the power that
sustains me to keep looking at you. Wow, well you,
And as you're embracing me, you're working in me. What
must happen in this season so I can go on

(30:21):
further with you? Okay, I just hit this mic. I
don't know if everybody hears that or not. Okay, I'm
getting excited. My hands are moving around, you know what
I mean, And I'm hitting it the mic, you know,
so that's like, yeah, that's like real, isn't it. Yes, See,
we have to teach stuff like this. Yes, you have
to deliberately teach things. Yes, oh yeah, you do. On

(30:44):
how to interact with Jesus in the spirit. See, we
have the spirit of God in us to know him, amen,
and to be with saying.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
He kind of draws us in with his left hand
well and helps us to align with his well with
his focus.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
In that particular scripture, Chapter two, Song of Solomon, she says,
let your left hand be under my head, and so
while you're right hand embraces Yeah. Yeah, so he's cradling it,
but he's holding her head. But now listen, on a
natural level, King Solomon was in love with this maiden.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I mean it's it's very physical, okay, you know what
I mean. You know it's very physical.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Sactually, she said, hold me and kiss me and not
in other words, you know, like you know, so my
eyes can be I'm just so tired, but I want
more of your love.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
But in as as an allegory is talking about Jesus
with his believer, the beloved you know what I mean.
And there's nothing central in it as an allegory, you know. Yeah,
And so he she wants more and she wants him
to hold her so that it increases, so that she

(31:49):
has the ability to keep looking and receive more because
she's come to the end of her ability and she
needs something from him, and she enters into by faith
asking for do this, let your left Now I'm interpreting
the left hander is. I know what the right hand

(32:09):
of God in scripture, so what would the left hand
of God be? Well, not what the right is that?
So I'm interpreting it that way. Okay, that's Terry Smith
saying that. Okay, the Bible doesn't say that that's the
left hand of God.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
But she's she's at the point where she's there's not
her present level of faith, of love, et cetera, has
gone to where her natural personality and what she has
from God so far. She has to have something to
overcome her natural tendency to kind of flick off the

(32:43):
wall and she won't go any further with the Lord.
She has to have something, and she's putting in everything
she can, but it's not doing it. She has to
have something from him where he's holding her head so
she can keep looking into his eyes locking while he's
embracing her with his power and grace, and something's going

(33:03):
into her yeah, okay, and he doesn't want her to
get out of that until what he wants to accomplish
is accomplished in that time.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, that's powerful, Yes it is.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
That's a very intimate thing too. Oh yeah it is
spiritually and yes, physically speaking.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yes it is extremely so yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
To be that close to someone's heart even you know.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yes, it is. Wow.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
And so when we see God talks to us like that,
Jesus talks to our heart like that, that's the voice
of the beloved to us. Now he talks to us
other things too, like don't do that. Ah, okay, you know,
or just a sense or just a sense inside No,
you know.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
What I mean, you know, I mean, yes, he talks
to us like that. Praise God. Don't you know?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
That's really good? Yes, it's really good.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
But you have to learn the language of him talking
to us relationally, talk in the heart language of how
he talks to us, you know. And because it's in
the Bible, it's real.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
You know, and it kind of overrides what we're used
to thinking is love quote unquote, yeah, because when we
experience other human beings, our love, our definition or the
way that we see love can be so thwarted. So
if we're looking in the word like that and we
see that God's love is where God is saying, I'm

(34:23):
gonna hold you close. I'm gonna hold you here until
you hear from me and you understand and you feel
the love, and I've got you.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
And not only that, but my right hand of power
is also surrounding you.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
God is He's just all power. He's all power. And
just to think that the God of the universe, our creator,
this amazing force of love and power and might, wants
to hold us that close and have fellowship and relationship
with us, it just it's just hard to describe in

(34:58):
human words. It's what that's all about. You almost have
to experience.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
It messes with your head, let me.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Tell you that, feel it.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, I mean that just that just kind of like
blows the wires out of how you think, out of
your heart, out of everything, and you just acknowledge and
yield to and either you want or you don't. And
I do you know, it's just like it's too much. Yeah, really,
this is Jesus. Yes, yes, Now I think there are

(35:32):
believers and people listening to us, and I'm more concerned
about the few or whatever that God wants to hear
this than I am how many. I'm concerned about his
words going into the hearts of those that he wants
it to go to. That's okay, But you may have
been feeling a sense of shame. You may have been
feeling I'm not too happy with yourself, discouragement, maybe even

(35:56):
getting into despair for not being able to enter into
or to discipline yourself enough to enter into things that
you want.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
You know, you believe, and.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Your different efforts haven't been working. And God says he
has for you, you see, to impart to you, He
has grace. Call on him and ask for the grace
that enables you to look at him and see his desire.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
He has a right to be satisfied through looking at
you and not seeing your sin or your failure, but
seeing your heart's desire for him. He has a right
to do that, and he has authority to do that
because he bore your sin, so he has authority to

(36:47):
tear that away from you and look right at your heart.
You see, and you connect with him over a period
of time, and that's all that matters. And he will chase,
he will impart to you what you need. And he
is not listening to the shame messages. He's not listening
to the despair or frustration and what is telling you

(37:08):
about your identity. He's taking that like the tables in
the temple and overturning them. And he says, no, all
this confusion, all of this junken here is keeping my
people from hearing my voice when they come into my presence.
This stuff goes, and that's what he thinks about that stuff.
And if you're listening and you have a heart for God, okay,

(37:30):
you're qualified with that heart, and He comes to you
now every little victory. Listen, there are people their minds
so messed up they can't keep it. And many times
it's not their fault. Like if you got add or
ADHD going on, it can be very hard, I'm serious,
really hard, and that's not your fault or trauma or
different things, and your mind just spins all over the place. Okay,

(37:53):
that's not your fault. And God has healing and deliverance
for you, Bob, every little victory where you believe the
words I just said, and that's actually the gospel what
I just told you. Okay, that Jesus has a right
to do that because of what he did on a cross,
and he will be satisfied with you looking at him
and him looking at you and imparting to you what

(38:14):
he has. Okay, he has the right and authority to
do that. But every little victory, if you're just driving
your car and for twenty seconds you're able to do that,
and you know that, you know, faith and confidence grow
in your heart. And I don't care if it's faith,
because you were able to sustain this for five days

(38:37):
or fifteen seconds. Faith is faith, and once you taste victory,
it's good. And you go from faith to faith. The
Bible says, you go from strength to strength, glory to glory.
You see, you enter into victory in those stages. But
once you've tasted victory, you got it. And now the

(38:58):
devil's in trouble because you got a taste in your mouth.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
And you know that.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
As you are turning with your sincere heart to Jesus,
there was an encounter of whatever measure was that encounter
of wherever was on the spectrum, you know that, you know,
and there's faith in you. Now, there's that confidence in you,
and with that you'll overcome. Be encouraged. Every little victory

(39:26):
is victory, okay, And it's contagious within your own heart.
It evangelizes all your emotions and your heart and your
mind and everything. I'm serious. The spirit of victory does
that within you. So that's kind of strange language, but
that's how it works. So be encouraged. So wherever the

(39:48):
enemy is trying to tell you your identity, you have
complete permission to say, oh, you're such a liar, You're
such a con man and a deceiver. Okay, it's like
the jigs up man, I don't believe you.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Period.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Whatever ground I gave to you by coming under the
influence of that and in whatever measure I yield to it,
and it was I take back that ground. Hey, it's canceled.
Go away in Jesus name, Go in Jesus name.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Lord.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Your eyes are on me and myrah are on yours,
and you will continue to speak into my heart, and
my confidence and faith will grow because you want me
with you infinitely. More than I do, and so it happens. Okay,

(40:45):
you listening, you get this?

Speaker 2 (40:46):
This is real? This is real?

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Yeah, yeah, yes it is.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
So you'll have to tell me what we're doing now
and how long you want to go and if there's
anything I mean you just.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I'm I'm following your directive. I know I talk a lot,
but whatever you want will to go for you.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I thought that was amazing. So do you feel like
that you have said everything the Lord has put in
front of you to say?

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Oh Lord, let me see do we get it most
of it out?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Okay? Lord? What else is sir? Okay?

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, yeah there is if it's timely for it. I
don't want to take it longer than you want to, okay,
because what we already did was good. I can either
some other stuff is good, but if you think it's
too long, we can save it for another time or
it doesn't have to be whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
So I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Leave it up to you what your time limit is too.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
So oh, I'm fine.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
We can even end this want and do a second one,
or we can go into if you want to pray
for people or something like that, we can go that
direct Oh maybe.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
I mean, I can't hear them, but I listen to
the Lord and get words and pray.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
We could do that. I don't know, what do you
want to do?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Okay, that sounds fine.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I feel like you have a separate message and you
have time. We've been what almost forty five minutes. I
think something like that.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Well, maybe another one would be good for the other
part instead of attacking it on it, because it's this
is going to go to if if they do things
too long, people have a hard time listening to it
because they got other stuff going on, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Okay, So are you saying a second podcast? Well you're okay,
So let's go ahead and let's pray. Do you want
to prayer or me pray?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
You pray if you.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Want, let's pray and see if the Holy Spirit identifies
any any can any words of an allege, etcetera or something.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Why don't we.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Do that for the second one too. I just I
want to bring it back to a prayer to close
this one out, and then we'll restart for them.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I'm following you. Whatever direction you go, you pray and
they'll follow.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
You want me to pray?

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Okay, all right, let me reorganize here.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yes, yes, throw back on you do that, okay.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Father, I thank you for the words that you gave
us just now. And Lord, I know that you have
touched somebody's heart and Father the revelation that they can
come to you at any time and should come all
the time, that you are real and you are present,
and you want to be their father, and you want
to be their God, and you want to love on

(43:28):
them like love they've never known or could ever know
in human existence. Lord. But Father, I pray that you
just have that you just help those to get their
focus on you, to just move their eyes around until
they see your eyes, and to just come to you
in prayer and just say something simple, Father, God, just

(43:51):
pull me into your presence. Father, God, help me to
focus on you. Father, help your kingdom to come in
your will to be done in my life. And Lord,
I just pray that you continue to surround everyone who's
listening with your grace. Lord, that person or those people
that you spoke to specifically today, thank you for that.

(44:12):
Thank you for showing that you're so real in their life.
And I believe this is a turning point for so
many today that they just happen to turn on this
podcast and stick with it and hear that word and
how it has gone into their art, and that their
lives are going to be different because of that. Their
life will be different because of that. Lord, I thank

(44:33):
you for your faithfulness and your love in Jesus' name, Amen,
and I do thank you for listening, and we're looking
forward to you come into the next podcast. Have a
blessed day. Bye bye for now. Thank you for joining
in with us today. I hope you felt right at

(44:53):
home as you enjoy this. Please hit the like and
subscribe buttons so you can find us again. And let's
keep this die going. Come back to the table and enjoy,
bring some insight and revelation with you from the Word
of God. You will find us on YouTube, Facebook, iTunes,
and Spotify, and our website is atwww. Brookville houseof Worship

(45:16):
dot com. Remember you are blessed and you have a purpose.
Have a super blessed day and get out there and
worship the Lord with everything you've got. Amen, looking forward
to our next conversation. Be blessed, Bye for now.
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