May 26, 2025 • 67 mins
Fear, worry, and anxiety try to hold us back, even panic attacks, but we can overcome!
Kristi (Brookville House of Worship) and Tiffany (co-founder of Brookville House of Worship) discuss the Word from the Lord from Philippians 1 and 2 and how it relates to God’s promise and custom-designed and written purpose for each one of us. It’s such a beautiful blessing when we serve Him, and ultimately do what we love and love what we do, and expelling fear, worry, and anxiety through obedience and submission to the Lord and His process. Taking steps to accomplish full surrender and obedience to God’s individual plan for us. It’s fantastic! God loves us beyond our comprehension and wants to use us to accomplish His beautiful plan for this world and all creation! How can we take steps to end worry and anxiety and expel fear? Can’t wait for you to join in!
Kristi (Brookville House of Worship) and Tiffany (co-founder of Brookville House of Worship) discuss the Word from the Lord from Philippians 1 and 2 and how it relates to God’s promise and custom-designed and written purpose for each one of us. It’s such a beautiful blessing when we serve Him, and ultimately do what we love and love what we do, and expelling fear, worry, and anxiety through obedience and submission to the Lord and His process. Taking steps to accomplish full surrender and obedience to God’s individual plan for us. It’s fantastic! God loves us beyond our comprehension and wants to use us to accomplish His beautiful plan for this world and all creation! How can we take steps to end worry and anxiety and expel fear? Can’t wait for you to join in!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome everyone to this podcast coming to you from the
Brookville House of Worship, also lovingly referred to as be How,
located in the beautiful historical town of Brookville, Pennsylvania. Here
at be HOW, we are dedicated to bringing people together
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the one true living Christian God, and to disciple and
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It's time to get started. Hi. I am Christy Kennel
of Brookville House of Worship, and I am I'm so
excited for this podcast. I am here with Tiffany Burkett,
who is actually the co founder of Brookville House of Worship.
Andy and Tiffany co founded be how together as a
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hub at which we can all come together from different
churches and praise God with everything we've got. Hi, Tiffany,
how are you good? Christy? Thanks for having me. Oh,
you're welcome. I'm glad you're here. We are discussing a
very important topic which seems to affect us all. In fact,
these three things can change the trajectory of our lives.
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So we need to pay attention to their ins and outs,
their causes. Enough facts, and I am talking about fear, anxiety,
and worry. Yep. Yeah. I think a great place to
start is to ask ourselves a question, and the question
is who do we really believe that?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yahweh God is I think that's a really good question. Yeah,
And I think we have such a very small understanding
that His vastness is like beyond our comprehension, and I
think that we struggle like that's part of the reason
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why we struggle with a lot of things, because we
we're ignorant of his vastness. You know, even though it
says in the word Everything that He is for us
to us, we still struggle with that comprehension. So who
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He is to me is my provider, my ever present
help in time of need. Yes, I mean, and not
just in my time of need. He is my ever
present help and the one the being who fulfills all
of my needs. He is my friend, He's my God,
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and just to say that, it's like, oh, yeah, okay,
Jesus is your lord.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Right, but he is, he is and he is real. Yeah.
I think that's a good first step too, is realizing
that he's real and how he's become real to me
just through experiences with him. Yeah, you know, because I
was told when I was little that he was real,
and I did tend to accept it and I understood it,
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and I prayed my little salvation prayer when I was
tiny and just kind of have been walking with this
being that I can't see. Yeah, but everything else about
him has proven to me that he exists. Yeah, and
I'm excited about that.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I've heard someone say about experience. Trump's logic, So nobody
can talk you out of what you've ever experienced through logic.
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You know, if they use logic, they can't talk you
out of your experiences as if they never existed. You
know that, you know that, you know? Yes, And so
people think, is God real? I know that he's.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Real omen too, Yeah, And so.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think that that's important something that people miss, right, Amen.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And because people could even say, well, that's your interpretation
of it, but it's more than an interpretation. It's an experience. Yeah,
that maybe could be interpreted in different ways, but it's
not just I didn't just read the Bible and interpret
it as this. We're walking together in this force that
made me. Yeah, and he's all powerful and it's just
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it is incredible. So we either believe who he says
he is in his word or we don't.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yep, basically, and that's if I don't have If I
don't believe that the Word of God is true, then
what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't have anything else to fall back on. It's
not well, if the Word is true, then this will
happen for me. But if it's not, then I'll just
believe in mother nature coincidence. That's so unstable, that is
double minded and wicked in all of its ways. You
either believe the word of God, believe that it's true,
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or you don't. A man, and if you're not gonna
believe what's true, then.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Then we're double minded, right, exactly, Yes, And he proves
himself over and over again. Yeah, Because every time you
pick up the Word of God, if you give it
a chance, if you meditate on it, if you really
read it, if you study it. It proves itself over
and over and over again. Yeah, because you know, you
might be in Genesis and read something and then it
picks up again in Luke and you cross reference and go,
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oh my goodness, how did they know? Yep? How did
they know? How did this come together like it did?
It's full of times when God took care of the enemy,
you know, he Sadamungamora, he sent fire and brimstone and
everybody was annihilated, you know. And he he has proved
himself as a powerful force so many times. And like
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we were saying, do we really believe what we are
reading when we read those stories? They're such powerful stories.
And then there's scientific evidence along the way too, if
you look at research and see what they've dug up, and.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I believe He has done all of those things. Is
and if you don't have the word of God to
test things against, you know, because scientists don't typically use
the word of God to test things against, right, then
it's always chief changing, it's always unwavered, it's or you know, wavering,
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So it's not it's not stable. Science without Jesus is
not stable.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Right, And yet they come up with those things with
scientific research and archaeology and all those things, and then
we pull out the Bible and go see there it is. Yeah,
it's it's so it all comes together like that. Yeah,
and that that just fuels my belief. Yeah in Yahweh God,
the living God. Yeah, who knows all things, you know,
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because again he just keeps proving it. They try and
disprove it sometimes and then you end up with the
word of God and it's like oh no, no, there
it is. There it is. Yeah. So how does fear,
anxiety and worry fit into our lives? If we believe
in this Yahweh God is a living God and living
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force in our creator, and we believe it on a
personal level and we're developing a personal relationship with him,
how do fear, anxiety and worry come into our lives?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's just believing in the lie, believing a lie. And
it's almost sheer evidence, like right in front of your
in front of your face that you aren't believing what
the Bible says that you're that you should believe. So
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you're not believing that his word is true when you're
in fear and anxiety and stress and worry because he
said he's got us, Yes, you know, and so if
we think that for a moment, Jesus, I don't believe
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that you're strong enough to take care of me in
the situation. So now I have to take care of
me in this situation, and to fear and her stress
and her anxiety, yes, and her worry. So it's it's unbelief.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It is. And I think that stems from you know,
we can work, we can walk in a personal relationship
with a living God. But if we if we think
about the consequences, and we think about the worst case scenario,
then we're forgetting how he came down in his presence
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and burnt the top of a mountain, and how he
wiped out Sodom and Gomora, and how he flooded the
entire earth and took god enemies, how he walked with
the Israelites, how he was a cloud and a fire,
and how he did all those things. And then we
think to ourselves, well, you know, I will use money
because a lot of people are having financial issues. I
don't have the money. You know, somebody might say I
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don't have the money for rent next month. Yeah, well,
we look at everything in the word that God did,
so you either trust him or you do not. Yeah,
And so it all comes down to Okay, So if
he can wipe out entire nations with water and fire
and brimstone, can he help me to get money to
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have a house over my head? And worst case scenario
if he does not, if I end up homeless, if
I end up living in my car, where is he? Then?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, he is still with us. But his plans, yeah,
are beyond our comprehension. We have no clue what his
plans are. Yes, So if we think we don't have
money for rent, what if his plans are for a
new job, or you know, a good Samaritan in our life,
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or the landlord decides to gift you that house instead
of you having to pay rent. But our thing thinking is.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So limited, limited, thank you, And.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
When we don't see our bank account filling up, we think, well,
Jesus doesn't have me in this situation, So now I
have to control it with fear.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And when you control it with fear and worry, who
is lord? Yeah, that's what we need to ask ourselves. Amen,
either it's me, or it's the enemy, or it's him, right, Yeah,
Because if we say that he is lord of our lives.
You know, we walk around, I'm blessed and highly favored,
and Jesus is Lord? Is he right? When it comes
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down to it and things are going wrong and you're
not sure how to fix it, are we able to
let it go into his hands and say, look, I
said you were Lord. Then that means I really control
to you, and I am open to submit to whatever's next. Yeah.
And I am open to submit to whatever your plan is. Yeah.
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And if it means pain in some way for me,
I will walk through it because I know you're with me. Yeah.
And it takes incredible trust in him to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You think about the daily Manna. There were times where
they didn't believe that that manna was going to come
back the next day and they had to store it up.
So just when I say provision in our life, that's
not necessarily money, you know, but just him providing for
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me and emotionally, mentally, spiritually, financially, physically in my life
means that tomorrow's a new day with fresh manna.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Am I going to believe that? Right?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Or this next hour is coming up and I may
be faced with something that I'm uncertain of?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Am I going to trust that he's Lord of that
hour exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And are we walking in his purpose that he wrote
for us? Yeah? In the book when Psalm one thirty
ninety sixteen, I refer to it constantly, I feel like,
and he wrote that before the beginning of time for us.
So we each and every one of us have a purpose.
So if we end up in a bad situation, how
did we get there? Are we there because it's our wilderness?
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And he wants to take things out of us and
kind of bring us to another level of trust in
him because he's ready to trust us with something. Yeah.
Or is it because we decided to go after something
that we thought was better and willingly or unwillingly or
knowingly or unknowingly removed him as lord and we step
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up and become lord again. Yeah, and say, you know what,
this looks good to me. I'll go over here forgetting
that we need to go to him for everything and say,
is this is this something Lord that you had planned
for me? Yeah? And as we're following his plan, it
doesn't remove the pain. And a lot of times there
is fear that comes and they're suffering that comes, but
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we all go through it anyhow. Yeah, And so it's
just that matter of getting in the center of his will,
and that helps to cancel the fear and the worry
and the anxiety. Even when it starts to come on,
like I don't want to live in my car, you
have to say, like Jesus did, nevertheless, your will be done.
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If this cup cannot pass, yeah, then I know it's
for the good of me and others and you and
your plan, Lord, and you are a lord. And so
even if I have to Christ what drops of blood,
even if it costs me being nailed to something and
giving up something and dying to something, yeah, am I
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willing to bear that pain.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You know what I think is amazing is that even
when we choose to be lord of our life, Jesus
is still with us. Yes, He's never dethroned, right, you know,
so even while I'm walking through the choices that I
made in my life to where I'm controlling the situation,
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he is still with me.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He is.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And I use that a lot because I do, you know,
fall off the path a little bit, and I just say,
you know what, thank you Jesus. So you're still with me, right,
You know, I messed up, but You're still here.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Amen, it's true. Yeah, yeah, he really loves us. He
loves us. I'm going to go to Philippians one. We
find Paul in prison, and as I was reading Philippians one,
I was looking at his attitude, because Paul was a
great apostle and he was called to spread the gospel,
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spread it quickly, and spread it at any cost. And
he was funded along the way by God. Because money
isn't everything. Its supplies that you need, its boldness that
you need, is support and friendship and food and the
other things too. And so I wrote that Paul had
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an attitude of trust and gratitude, and to me, he
was actually a super great cheerleader. So I'm gonna skip
down to verse seven and Philippians one, and verse seven
is talking about how he was in prison and chains
for spreading the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
So he didn't commit a crime. He was spreading the truth.
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He was talking about Jesus in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
You know how to who Jesus was and what he
did and how he can come to God and come
into relationship with God. And he was imprisoned and noting that,
you know, if Paul can be in prison and chained
and still praise and trust God. Then whatever chains we
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have on, whatever that represents to us, we can also
trust God in everything. Because even just reading Paul's story,
how many times he was rescued and how many times
he wasn't, But he's still sitting there saying, in every circumstances,
I've learned to be content and to be absent from
my bodies is to be present with my Lord. And
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I want to go, but I'll stay for you. You know,
he just stayed above it because of his focus. He
was focused on his purpose that God had written for him,
and he was walking it out step by step, and
that was where he needed to be, and God was
leading and guiding him. And verse eleven, Paul says, may
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you always be filled with the fruit of your salvation,
the righteous character produced in your life by Jesus Christ.
So our righteous character is actually produced in our life
by Jesus Christ, and then it brings much glory and
praise to God. In verse twelve, we see that everything
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that happened to Paul there helped spread the Gospel of Christ,
the good news. So I was looking at Paul's focus
in the scripture, and he's like, yeah, I'm sitting in jail.
But everything that's happening here, like even the wardens and everybody, like,
they know why I'm here, they knew who I represent. Yeah,
and people are getting saved and rescued. Nothing about his
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life in the moments that he was writing this letter
to the Philippians was easy. He wasn't worried about paying rent.
He was in jail, yeah, and he wasn't worried about
his reputation while he sat in jail. I wonder if
I by all think what did he do? What did
I you know, what did Paul do? True? No, he
was in jail. And here's why I'm in jail because
I represent the Lord Jesus Christ, and I represent him proudly,
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and I represent him with my whole heart. He is
my purpose. And when they let me out of here,
I will continue, and if they kill me, I'll be
with God. I can't lose. And he just kept that attitude.
And to read it's one thing, to live it is another.
He was living it. Okay, he was living it and
then skipping down to verse twenty eight, I like this
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so much. Don't be intimidated in any way by your enemies.
We're talking about fear, worry, and anxiety. You know, don't
be intimidated, intimidated in any way by your enemies. This
will be a signed to them that they are going
to be destroyed, but that you are going to be saved,
even by God himself. There is again. Yeah, He is
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more than able to rescue us and to lead us
and guide us and supply things for us. More than able.
He wants to. He provided it before we even existed.
And we have to get that through our heads. You know,
we have to, we have to build the faith. We
have to to just you know, read the Word of
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God and really as the Holy Spirit, to let it
sink in and understand it. Open our eyes, open our ears. Yeah,
so that when we we read it, we realize who
God really is and begin to trust Him on that level.
And verse twenty nine, for you have been given not
only the privilege of trusting Christ, but also the privilege
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of suffering for Him. So here we have trusting Christ
and suffering for Christ. In the same verse, we are
in the struggle together. And unity is everything, you know,
it means so much to be united with other believers
and to love and support each other, and then bring
in others who are you know, not believers yet or
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struggling or who have needs, bring them in and surround
them with love, you know, and just do this thing together.
And then Paul says, you have seen my struggle in
the past, and you know that I'm still in the
midst of it. So he's saying, hey, this is my testimony.
And then I'm coming into Philippians too, and this is
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where we're really hoping to get into the meet up
of it. Here Paul asked a question, this is the
new living translation. Is there any encouragement from belonging to Christ? Absolutely, yeah,
because even on our worst days like these are seasons
that pass, you know, if they pass, yeah, just keep
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going through. And sometimes it lasts so long that you
feel like you're not going to hold up under it anymore.
But even in those situations, just crying out to God
and saying, you know, I can't hold up under this anymore.
And then He sends in resources, you know, a phone
call or the money, or moves you to another level
or something. He always is always shifting and turning, and
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it's just a matter of kind of riding the wave,
you know, riding down through like you're riding on a river. Yeah,
going with the flow and trusting him.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You know, that's what being yoked to him is, Like, ooh,
that's good. The easy easy? Is it that the burden
is Mayoka is easy? My burden is late.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, because we are going the same direction as he
is and he's leading and he's Lord. Yeah. Yeah, we
could just get that firm. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, Wow,
that's good. Any comfort from his love? Paul's asking, is
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there any comfort from his love? Absolutely? So, his perfect
love casts out fear there it is. That's good. It's true. Yeah,
it's true. We need to believe it. We do need
to believe it his perfect love.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I think where we struggle with that is that we
know worldly love, so we don't know what perfect love
actually looks like. And of course you have the Corinthians verse.
Love is patient, love is kind, you know, So applying
that definition of love to Jesus as far as his love,
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you know, that's not the world's that's not the world's love, right,
that's the love of Jesus, right, And just applying that
to our being in relationship with him, that he is
patient he is kind, and he is you know, gentle,
all those things.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And he doesn't just one day decide that he's fallen
out of love or that he doesn't like it anymore, no,
or that we're not good enough. Never, No, We're always
good enough, were his.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So can you imagine a full comfort from his love?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I don't. I can't say that I have grasped that fully.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I mean, I feel like I have a good understanding,
but it's not the complete understanding, yes, because I do
still still struggle with fear and anxiety and worry and stress,
and in those moments, all of that seems so real,
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Like I feel like I do have to fear and
I don't know why, or you know, something's caught me
off guard, and so I'm really like heightened, you know,
And in those moments, I would love to just be
like what am I doing? His love is here, It's
on me right, I'm comforted, right, just kind of like
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what Paul was saying about being in the prison. And
you know, he's such a great example too, because it's like,
I don't know that I could be in a prison
and just be so comfortable.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I agree, Yeah, yeah, I agree. I don't know how
he was just rising up to another level. It seems
like just praising and worshiping God and just talking about it.
Like if, okay, if I'm going to be in here,
you're going to hear about the Lord because you're now
a captive audience. Yeah, like you can't go anywhere, you
have to guard me, So let me tell you about
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my Lord.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
The advantage he had was that he did life with
Jesus in the flesh, and so Jesus in the flesh
for us today is what the Body of Christ right,
And it hasn't reached perfection because of the world.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
But I feel like.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
There are a lot of good things in the Body
of Christ, and even some good things that we kind
of dismiss because we don't feel worthy or we feel
rejected in all those things.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So that leads to his next question in verse one,
is there any fellowship together in the spirit? Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah,
And I know here at Brookville House of Worship, we're
well supported in our purpose. When the Lord lays our
purpose on our heart, we're allowed to get started in
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it and make mistakes in it and be supported by
we support each other as we go, you know, and
eventually the experience grows and perfection comes in a certain level.
And so that's how that's how the entire body of
Christ should be. You know, those who are out on
the mission field supporting them, those who are out rescuing people,
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supporting them, even if it's only intercessory prayer, even if
it's only sending and offering whatever you can, just supporting
that or just believing that they are doing what they're.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Called to do. Yes, that's huge. Yeah, I think it's
bigger than we think.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yes. And not being jealous, Yeah, but if you're feeling
that jealousy or something coming on, that is your cue
to go to the Lord and say, you know, I
need you to be lord of this and I need
you to show me what my purpose is and how
I get started in that so that I'm not wanting
what somebody else is trying to do. Yeah, you know.
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And I think another thing too that's popular is questioning
a platform and a microphone and how big or small
that is. Yeah, when, and it's a big topic, but
when believers are become afraid not necessarily here, like I said,
we're we are pretty free in what we're allowed to
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do but are not allowed to do. But encouraged to do.
But you know there are celebrities out there, yeah, and
they just dress wildly and act wildly, but they're not
afraid of any platform. If it's ten thousand people or
one on one or YouTube channel or you know, just
walking through an airport. If somebody approaches them, they are
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who they are. Accept it, love it, idalyze me. But
then you have Christians who are like, I don't know
about the microphone. If you're called to one, get behind one.
You know, fear, worry and anxiety do not belong in
the Kingdom. And we are told to be a light.
So if you're one on one, if if you're YouTube,
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if you are in front of one hundred thousand people,
you should be you in the Lord no matter what.
And so that's another thing. You know, encourage one another,
don't judge, love them, love and support and let's just
because ultimately it is the gospel that matters. And if
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we unite in that and unite in love, that's nothing
can conquer that, nothing can stop that, the glory of
God will flood this earth. We just lay that stuff down. Yeah,
you know, so I'm kind of glad that came up
because I think we need to really encourage other believers
in that, like, don't be afraid. Whatever the Lord lays
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on your heart, and you know it's the Lord, and
it's you know, according to the Word of God, go
for it. Yeah. And then Paul's asking, are your heart's
tender and compassionate? Yeah, that kind of goes hand in hand.
It does with what we were just saying, Yeah, yeah,
be tender because people are going to fail, yeah and fall.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I feel like the example of Jesus as meeting people
where they are, you know, he met the woman at
the well, Yeah, and he did have a tender heart
and compassion for her.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
He did.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And so I feel like a lot of people in
the church are either hard on some others, but they
don't you know, maybe they don't understand what they're calling
is or they try to fit them into a box
that they don't belong in. And I feel like that
just kind of comes down to ignorance too, because you know,
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maybe we aren't familiar with some of the ways that
other people are called to be and as a quote
unquote leader, they just kind of squish this person into
a box because they don't understand or they don't know, right,
so I feel like Jesus has taught me personally. When
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people are called to something they're you can recognize it
because they're passionate about it, right, And it's like eat, breathe, sleep,
this thing. And if I don't understand what it is
or how it works, all I need to do is
just empower them and encourage them to be what Jesus
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is calling them to be, right, whether you know I'm
skilled in that or not, or if it's something I've
never even heard of. Now, obviously you can use discernment
to help with flesh or you know, evil things, obviously,
but I so being tenderhearted for me means recognize what
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these people are passionate about and what their calling is,
and accept it and support them in it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes so.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And that also goes into like the fellowshipping together being
one spirit. If you think about a body, it's so
uniquely and intricately created, and even the word says, does
the hand cut off the foot? You know, because it's
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not a hand. Can you imagine if the hand did
cut off the foot because it's not a hand. I
don't want to be cutting the parts of the body
off just because I don't understand their function. So as
a body, we work together and it functions so beautifully,
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so healthy. Yeah when that unity is enabled, So yeah,
it's really good.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I know, I really like that. What are thoughts that
you might have connected to an experience that you have
had in the past with very anxiety and worry, like
something that tried to stop you in that moment.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
One of my biggest testimonies that the enemy really tried
to stop me, and my calling was I opened a
door to panic attacks. I know exactly what I did
because I heard Jesus in my imagination three times say
don't do that, and I did it anyway, and I
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knew exactly what the door was that I opened. And
in this situation, it was when COVID came. The lockdown happened,
and stores were doing the curb side pick up or whatever,
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and for whatever reason, customers were really confused because they'd
pull on the door and I think our store was
closed for a week, maybe two weeks.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I think it was two weeks actually.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And during that time with the curb side pickup or whatever,
people were so mean, they were so angry, fearful, stressed, worried, anxious,
And I know that Jesus called me to be the
light of the world right so here, and amongst all
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this fear, these people were manifesting fear. I was supposed
to be the light. But what I allowed in was
a fence because people were they you're yelling at me,
threatening me, mean to me, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And so.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
My whole staff was laughing at people trying to pull
on this locked door. And I opened the door of
my heart by being offended and thinking, ha ha ha,
look at you trying to come into this locked door.
And my heart posture was a fence. You hurt me,
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You can't come in. And Jesus said, don't think that way,
and I said, no, they deserve it. And through that
whole week or two weeks, he said, don't don't think
that way, No, they deserve it. I justified I disobeyed him,
and I justified it three times.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And it's interesting that's.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Three times, because it's like the there And so that
third time, I kid you not. When I said no,
I'm doing it, I felt immediately something leave me.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
That was a good thing.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
It was almost like he submitted me to that feeling,
that thought, that belief, and he submitted me to my
own will, and I thought, in that very moment, oh, no, right,
because I knew that was not.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
What I wanted to happen.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
It felt good for those three times, and then after
that third time, I knew I'd done messed up, and
so I opened the door for panic attacks and I
knew that that was not the will of the Lord
for me. Panic attacks were not the will of the Lord.
And I was almost bound to my house. I could
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not step foot out the door even if I wanted to.
As soon as I wanted to, I grab my keys,
put my shoes on, walk out the door, paniceah. And
I was like, I can't live this way. Because I
knew Jesus called me to be an evangelist. I was
called to go out of my house and minister and
be the light of the world and be who He
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created me to be. But I was so bundled up
in fear, anxiety, panic, e stress, worry, and so I
knew that I needed to overcome it, and it was
not easy. It took a lot of hard work, dedication,
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bad days, picking myself up, dusting myself. Well, you know,
through Jesus. Your question was what thoughts did I have
connected to this experience and those thoughts than that, those
moments try to take me down. So after that whole story,
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my thoughts were, I know I'm deep in this pit.
I need to get out, Yes, And the only way
out was through Jesus. And he tried to protect me
and I said, no, I know better than you do,
and he said, okay, I submit you to your will.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
And so.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, I knew I had to get out of it.
Otherwise I would still be in my house, not step
and foot out of that door right now.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
And a lot of people suffer with those panic attacks,
and it's paralyzing, and it does said line them from
purpose and on your sideline from purpose. That brings on
depression and other things too. It's like a little snowball
rolling down a hill. It just keeps gathering and getting
bigger and bigger. And I was thinking about your story
as you were telling it, and where was Jesus? Where
was your focus? Was he Lord when you stepped aside
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and decided to have the attitude I was? And was
he Lord when you decided to climb out of the pit. Yeah,
he was Lord in the pit with you. Yes he was.
He was being Jesus, you know. But so I wonder,
I don't know, if I'm putting you on the spot,
maybe kind of give a two or three steps or something,
or maybe a little summary of how you managed to
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get on the other side of that. Maybe help somebody
with that.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, absolutely, I would love to help anybody with that,
because I know how debilitating it is, and like you said,
it's so it's such an anchor against your purpose in life.
So the first steps that I took were steps. I
took steps out of my house. And I remember the
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literal steps, literal steps. Yes, So I remember my daughter
baking something and she said, oh, we ran out of ingredients.
Can we run to the store real quick? And the
store is less than a half a mile, less than
a quarter mile, you know, And I said, yeah, hey,
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let's go. I grabbed my keys, put my shoes on,
step out, and I'm thinking, oh, no, can I do this?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
But even though.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
That panic felt so real in the moment, I knew
that reality was Jesus's Lord right, And it took everything
in me to drive my car to the point two
miles away that I needed and for my daughter. Even
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so I wasn't going to even leave my car. I
gave her my my debit card, and I said, do
you know where it is? And she goes yeah, and
I'm like, okay, just hurry up, because I was just like,
I don't And the whole time she was gone, she
was probably gone like three minutes. I was so riddled
with fear and I was I was like shaking and thinking,
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please hurry up, Please hurry up, Please hurry up, Please
hurry up. And then I was thinking. There was almost
like separate thoughts, you know, battling against each other, and
so there were thoughts that were like, are you really
going to abandon your daughter at the store right now?
You're really going to turn around and go home right now?
The I was absolutely yeah, And I was like am
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I doing? And then I would be like, well, she
has her phone, I'll just call her. It was yeah.
It was awful, and I but I knew I had
to stay there if I was going, So it was
almost like defeat for each encounter meant turning around and
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going home. So I knew in order to win that moment,
I had to stay. And so I was panicking, but staying.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Overcoming by the blood of the lamb and the power of.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Rest, and of course I was, you know, I was
praising Jesus and I was, you know, the whole time.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
And as soon as she came and I got back home,
I was like, I won. I won. I won that moment.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And then the next one came and I panicked just
as bad, but I stayed and I went back home,
and I thought, I won, you know, and so and
it it was it's through the power of Jesus, because
when we what we focus on gross, right, So when
I focus on panic and focus on the situation where
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I feel like I can't even live, like.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
A borderline phobia, Like, had you let that go and
given into that and not know Jesus as Lord and
bring it back up to your focus as Lord again, yeah,
you could have gone into a phobia and not left
your house at all.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
And I believe that that could have easily happened. I
could have easily been swayed, yeah, by my flesh and
the enemy to just stay home. It's easier to stay home.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
So so the more I stepped out through this through
the strength of Jesus, because remember what we talked about
with his word being true, and if his word isn't
true in my life, then what is right? What do
I have to stand on?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
So his word is true and I'm going to overcome.
And I celebrated each moment, each step, and the more
I did that, the easier it became. And then I
started to remind myself. Remember when you went to the
store with your daughter, you were fine, right, it was okay, right.
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And so now I get into a car and I
drive places and I am so thankful through Jesus, like
my gratitude and Jesus is just beyond so like the
enemy gets a slap in the face every time I
get in the car. Every time I.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Get in the car. Amen, Because it's like Jesus is
Lord of my life. See, doing all things through Christ. Yeah, yeah,
you're your anointed purpose your life as with Him as
Lord gives you strength. Yeah, really it really does. So
what did you end up giving up in that scenario? So,
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in other words, like in trusting Jesus's Lord, you kind
of gave up the security of your home. Yeah, you
had to give something up, something had to die for
you to move forward. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
So you know that little picture of the little little
kid with the tattered Teddy Bear and Jesus, I think
Champ has talked about that before, when he's holding the
big bear behind his back and he's like, just give
it to me. You know, there's something bigger and better,
and you're.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
All familiar to the falling apart, and give it to me.
I'm gonna give you a brand new, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, and we don't even realize that that's the exchange
that we're Yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Were up for every single time, Yeah, every time.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
So and even a lot, I mean some relationships suffered.
I mean not necessarily friendships, but you know, it put
a lot of stress on my family and my household
because they saw me at my worst. I know, you're
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the mama, and they think you know, and I talk
about it openly because it's something that they needed to understand,
you know.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
So those may have even been traumatic moments in their
lives because they're seeing mom hurt so bad and they
don't even know why. And then maybe even some of
them think what can I even do to help? And
they just feel helpless, right, you know? And so.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
I I exchanged a lot for a simple justification of
that person hurt me, and I don't I don't want
to feel compassionate for them right now.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Right, you kind of canceled out love in that moment
and made the trade. So you took the big old
teddy bear and gave it away for the little raggedy one. Yeah,
it's like I'm gonna settle for less right now, because
this is how I feel that. But then when you
got into trouble and you called out to Jesus's Lord
and focused on him again, he brought you out.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah. And that, right, the loveliness of the Christian walk
reminds me of Peter walking on water. Yeah, because when
he took his focus off of Jesus and onto the storm,
he started to sink, right, And I sunk to the
depths of the day, and Jesus was still there. He
was pulling me up out of it. Yes, you know,
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so what he does? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Oh my, I'm sure there's a lot of people listening
to this that are thinking about the time when they,
you know, and Jesus had to grab a hold of
her hand and kind of pull them back in the boat.
And looking at Philippians two verse five, it says, you
must have the same attitude that Jesus Christ had. So
let's take a look at that. So in verse This
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is describing Christ, Jesus, the anointed Messiah. Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God as something
to cling to, which is interesting. Yeah, so he was
he was equal with God because he was God. He's
a part of God, and yet he didn't cling to that.
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Instead verse seven, he gave up his divine privileges. He
took the humble position of a slave. He was born
as a human being. When he appeared in human form,
he humbled himself in obedience to God. He died a
criminal's death on a cross. I mean he did that
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for us. He had to.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
It was.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
The love of God in the relationship of God cost
an animal, the life of a perfect lamb. Yeah, and
it had to be sacrificed to tone them for their sins,
his people, the Israelites. And that happened because back in
the day, you know, Adam and Eve fell when they
ate the fruit, and then Cain killed Abel. And here
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they were and having to make all these sacrifices. And
God said, hey, I've got a perfect lamb, and if
I send him to earth and he is sacrificed once
and for all for everybody's sins, then that's what I've accomplished,
I get relationship with him again. Because God could not
approach a human being without incinerating them. Right, you had
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to be a levite, you had to go through purification rituals,
you had to obey the law to every little comma
and period you had to or when you walked into
the Holy of Holies, into the actual presence of Yahweh God,
you were struck dead and they drug you out by
the ankle. Yeah, there was no approaching God like we
do now. Right, as if Jesus had to come and
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he had to be sacrificed as that lamb, and he
had to be slaughtered and hung, and the blood had
to come out of him and drip to the ground.
That blood cries out to God, as able in Genesis.
Abel's blood cried out when Kane killed him from the
grounds it speaks. And so he came to do that.
But in doing that is everything that I just said.
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This is straight up, this is what Paul wrote in
Philippians too. He humbled himself in obedience to God and
died a criminal's death on a cross. I mean, and
you know, we get up in the morning and think, Okay,
the Lord asked me to do this today. Do I
really want to go out and evanealize today? I don't
know if I feel like it. Well, if God has
called you to it, do it because it might be hard,
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and you might have to die to something, you know,
cancel a plan or whatever. But in the end you're
going to be blessed. You're going to come out of
that with joy in your heart and that can't be
replaced by any kind of money or anything. Just having joy,
you know. So then we go onto verse nine. Therefore
God elevated him to the place of highest honor, and
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so we're talking about him giving up divine privileges and
humbling himself and becoming a slave. He was born into
a human being, Like, oh, look at his position there.
He came from heaven, God's son. Yeah, this God that
we're talking about his son. When it says he humbled
himself again, I don't think we understand the capacity of that.
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I mean, just saying yes to God. I love talking
about obedience and saying yes to God. I love that. Yeah.
And when the Father said to him, will you go
and die for them? Because you're the purest and you're
going to stay here? You can go into the human
body and stay pure of counting on you for that,
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cause you're going to be my lamb that has no blemish. Yeah,
they're going to slaughter you to save themselves so that
you can save them. Will you go? He gave his
ultimate yes, knowing, And we know that he knew the
prophecies because we read all of that, and we know
that he knew his purpose because he went into Caissemone
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and he kind of got mad at his friends there, like, hey,
you can't stay awake and pray for me. I feel
like that. A lot of that was the human side
of him. Yeah, because he knew what was about to happen.
He read it in Isaiah and the other prophets said
it put things in there. He knew he's going to
be slaughtered. He knew all the pain and anguish his
human body was going to go through, and his heart
was going to break because he loves us so much,
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and then sweating sweatdrops of blood. He knew and he
still said yes. And even in Gassemone when he said,
if you can let this cut pass from me, nevertheless,
yere will be done, father, And that is humility, that
is saying I know what the purpose is, Lord, but
I'm not going to put my comfort above you. I'm
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not gonna put anything else above you, not even my family. Yeah,
not my life. Whatever it takes, and whatever that cost is, Lord,
I'm submitting to whatever your plan was, knowing that in
the end it's going to work out for the good.
And that is the exchange. Yeah, that was Jesus humbling himself,
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and that is what we need to do to overcome.
And then when I was reading therefore God elevated him
to the place of highest honor and gave him the
name above all other names, that at the name of Jesus,
every niece should bow in heaven and on earth and
under the earth, and every time declare that Jesus Christ
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is Lord to the glory of God, the Father that
is so powerful. So we saw what his original position was,
as the son of God in heaven, as God equal
with God. And how did it change she came here,
and what action did he take? The cross? And then ultimately,
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thank you Lord, the resurrection, And then we see how
it turns out for the good. And we don't even
know the expense, the expanse of that. We're not going
to know until we go into the next realm and
we see everything that God can actually show us that
we can you know, in our spirit we can absorb
so much more so, should we have a goal like
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this not only to discover our own purpose, but to
operate in the level of obedience that allows God to
be able to elevate us to the highest place of
honor in his eyes, within our purpose that was meant
for us, in our purpose. So people might argue this
with me, but we have a high place of honor. Yeah,
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I believe that in our own purpose. Yeah, because it's
our purpose he wrote for us. Yeah, so this whole
thing of your special we are because we are the
only one of us. And I always say we're like snowflakes.
They say that no snowflake is a lake. Yeah. So
when God sends each and every one of us when
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we're born, he has that purpose. We are the only
one to live that out, and He can use others
and he will, he has to sometimes. But our goal
should be to seek that out, to go to Him
and say, Okay, what is my purpose in life? Help
me live that out, show me, help me hear you,
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help me see you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah, I think just being obedient in his calling in
our life. And when I say calling, people might interpret
that as being a pastor on a platform, you know,
but a calling could just be a mom, you know,
homeschooling children, or you know, dad working at a car
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repair shop and mentoring young young men. You know. So
when you fulfill your purpose and Jesus you are at
your highest honor, you're being obedient and that is honorable.
A lot of the I mean, the world doesn't know
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how to be obedient. The world knows how to feed
the appetites of the flesh, and that's that's being obedient
to the flesh. So I feel like it takes a
lot of sacrifice to be obedient. Ultimately, being obedient leads
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us to his purpose. We should have confidence in that.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
We should and that's okay, Yeah, that's okay, because I
mean some people would look at confidence and think that
somebody's being well, they call it narcissistic nowadays, regardless fit
like you're so full of yourself, so fleshy. But if
the Lord knows your heart, then he knows that you
are just doing your one hundred percent for him and
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for the good of his kingdom and for the Gospel
and then reading verse eleven again, every tongue declared that
Jesus Christ is Lord. What does it say to the
glory of God the Father? So if we are, if
we are serving the purpose which brings us to that
highest place of honor in Him, and which means we're
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displaying our highest for Him in our purpose, ultimately his
glory shines bright in that. Yeah. Yeah, And so that's
not something to run from. And if we're operating in love,
then we're not running somebody over with our right bold
confidence that's worldly or fleshy.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Well, and being confident doesn't that you have to be
a jerk, Yeah, exactly, because we are held to the
fruits that we bear right and so we can be
confident but love and and be and bring peace, you know,
and patience. So so hopefully like confidence isn't triggering to
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other people that they think that we're just being arrogant
or controlling or you know, because hopefully there would be
a difference, right.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Well, And it's all about focus again, who is lord
of their lives? True, especially if they're a believer and
they're supposed to operate in love and they're looking at
you or me or someone else and doing their purpose.
Purpose shines it's meant to. Yeah, And the Bible says,
don't cover that up. Let it shine, right, don't hide it.
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And so people who are not in their purpose, we'll
look at that and there might be some jealousy there,
or there might be something that kicks up in them
that says, this person is showing off or this person
thinks they're better. And what it is, it is the
glory of God shining through. Yeah. But the person who
is acting in love and is walking with God in
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the purpose, they don't. Again, it comes down and you
don't see what happens behind the scenes, right, Okay, because
maybe let's go back to the microphone and platform, because
that is a hang up for so many people. That
person behind the microphone, what did they give up, yeah,
in their life to become to come into their purpose
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and serve their highest honor for their God. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
And I initially wanted to chime in when you are
saying about that, initially that we don't know what they
went through to get to that place. Now and everyone
thinks that, I mean not I shouldn't say everyone, but
there are people who maybe covet that position.
Speaker 1 (58:58):
A lot of times, like even my own life. If
I've been jealous, I go to the Lord and ask
him why. So, continuing with the example of the microphone.
If you have the microphone, Tiffany, and I'm jealous of you,
I go to the Lord and say why am I jealous?
He may have a microphone. I almost wish I wouldn't
have picked this example. I might have a microphone at
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some point. And it was meant to be a purpose
to shine for Goodden, to get the gospel out there.
I haven't gotten there yet? And why am I not
walking in purpose? Am I chasing other things? First? Am
I forgetting to make him Lord? Am I Lord of
my life? Am I designing my life? Have I walked
off that very narrow path? Am I in the word?
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Am I praying faithfully? Am I serving others? Am I
loving everybody to the best of my ability? Am I
depending on the Holy Spirit and what he says to do?
Am I asking him? Yeah? You know? You know, all
those things fall into place when you're looking for your
purpose and asking God. And the closer you get in
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relationship with God, the easier it is to hear his voice,
the easier it is to say yes. Even if you
know you're going to struggle, and even if you know
you're going to be elevated above something else, then you
still have that confidence that God asked me to do it,
I'm just going to do it. Yeah, Like, just because
you're on a platform or behind a microphone doesn't mean
that you feel like you're entitled to be there. Yeah.
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You think about Cain and Abel. Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
One had a position and one didn't right, and there
were consequences for that jealousy.
Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
So Kin decided what he wanted to bring to God.
Abel brought what God asked him to. Yeah, and we
do that. Yeah. If I go to God and say, hey,
I'd like to have a ministry and I want one
hundred thousand people and I want a chart, it's a
whole lot different than going to him as saying, Lord,
what my purpose? And when He's led me into that purpose,
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maybe I'm going to work at a thrift store. Yeah,
and I'm going to make sure the homeless get fed
on my way home from work. And maybe nobody knows
my name yep. But my life is beautiful because it's
shining with the purpose of God. And I'm happy in that,
and I'm joyful in that because it's where he hit me.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
And you can imagine the cloud of witnesses that are
watching and cheering you on.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Yeah, some people's flush wants recognition and a name for themselves.
And yeah, kind of like it, like that's dangerous. That's
what the devil did. That's I mean, Lucifer was kicked
out of heaven so fast it flashed like lightning because
he wanted elevated so desperately bad. And it holds that
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when we elevate ourselves. I've tried, I'll admit it well,
and it didn't hold the blessing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I saw a quote from somebody that said, if you
have to disobey God to get it, you'll have to
disobey him to keep it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Keep it, yes, yes, and that makes you lord. Yeah.
And he cannot be lord with someone else because he
cannot co exist with sin, he cannot co exist with
another god. And if you're craving it so desperately bad
that you're jealous and you're upset and you're offended at
someone else who you should be loving, then it's an idol.
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Absolutely. And if he comes to you and says, you know,
I want you to go to Africa by yourself. I
get a little cabin over there, and I want you
to serve the orphans and dig wells with a shovel.
And you say no. Whatever you said no because of
is an idol. Wow, And you've just walked off the path. Yep,
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and it is going to be a miserable could be
a multi billionaire and be miserable because you missed your purpose? Yeah, absolutely,
And you can also be a multi billionaire and be
on the road of purpose and be joyful and content
and be sowing that money everywhere. Yeah. So we can't really,
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you just can't be the judge of it. It's all
about submitting and walking in love and God being God well,
being tenderhearted. Yeah, it's and compassionate, yeah, forgiving, supporting one another. Yeah.
So we kind of kind of took the topic of fear,
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anxiety and worry and we have really really surrounded it
with so many things to think about. Yeah, because when
when you're on the path, you might feel fear, but
you can tell it to go. You have authority through
Jesus and his name. Everything bows to his name name
of Jesus. Fear, go get behind me. Fear. Yeah, you know,
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Jesus said, get behind me, Satan. Yeah, he was quick
and it went yep. So we can do that. And
also just feeling the fear and then going to God
and saying, I'm feeling fear and I know that you've
asked me for a yes, you know, I know that
you've asked me for obedience. But this is such a
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big step. I need you to help me. Yeah. And
it's called grace. Yeah. And so he will pour it
out on you like a waterfall, you know, like I
will help you. Just do the next right thing with me. Yeah,
just take that step. Just keep saying your kingdom come
and you will be done, Lord, and I will do
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it no matter what that cost is. And he does.
He supports you the whole way, the whole way through. Yeah. Amen,
I like that all right. I think that's good to
to end on.
Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yeah, Jesus, I thank you that you are teaching us
how to make you lord of our life, how to
submit to you and to obey you.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Lord.
Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
I thank you for everyone who's listening that they have
these seeds of revelation planet and their spirit, and that
those seeds will come to a harvest a revelation of
who they are in Christ, the tolls that you've given
us to understand your love, comprehend your love, and to
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imitate that to everyone we meet. Jesus I just invite
you into everybody's life. Just be in agreement that he
is invited into your life to show to show us
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how fear and stress and anxiety and worry really do.
Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Crush us.
Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
So Jesus, I thank you for this word today, and
may it not return to you avoid but accomplish everything
that you please.
Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
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It's time to get started. Hi. I am Christy Kennel
of Brookville House of Worship, and I am I'm so
excited for this podcast. I am here with Tiffany Burkett,
who is actually the co founder of Brookville House of Worship.
Andy and Tiffany co founded be how together as a
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hub at which we can all come together from different
churches and praise God with everything we've got. Hi, Tiffany,
how are you good? Christy? Thanks for having me. Oh,
you're welcome. I'm glad you're here. We are discussing a
very important topic which seems to affect us all. In fact,
these three things can change the trajectory of our lives.
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So we need to pay attention to their ins and outs,
their causes. Enough facts, and I am talking about fear, anxiety,
and worry. Yep. Yeah. I think a great place to
start is to ask ourselves a question, and the question
is who do we really believe that?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yahweh God is I think that's a really good question. Yeah,
And I think we have such a very small understanding
that His vastness is like beyond our comprehension, and I
think that we struggle like that's part of the reason
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why we struggle with a lot of things, because we
we're ignorant of his vastness. You know, even though it
says in the word Everything that He is for us
to us, we still struggle with that comprehension. So who
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He is to me is my provider, my ever present
help in time of need. Yes, I mean, and not
just in my time of need. He is my ever
present help and the one the being who fulfills all
of my needs. He is my friend, He's my God,
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and just to say that, it's like, oh, yeah, okay,
Jesus is your lord.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Right, but he is, he is and he is real. Yeah.
I think that's a good first step too, is realizing
that he's real and how he's become real to me
just through experiences with him. Yeah, you know, because I
was told when I was little that he was real,
and I did tend to accept it and I understood it,
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and I prayed my little salvation prayer when I was
tiny and just kind of have been walking with this
being that I can't see. Yeah, but everything else about
him has proven to me that he exists. Yeah, and
I'm excited about that.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I've heard someone say about experience. Trump's logic, So nobody
can talk you out of what you've ever experienced through logic.
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You know, if they use logic, they can't talk you
out of your experiences as if they never existed. You
know that, you know that, you know? Yes, And so
people think, is God real? I know that he's.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Real omen too, Yeah, And so.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think that that's important something that people miss, right, Amen.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And because people could even say, well, that's your interpretation
of it, but it's more than an interpretation. It's an experience. Yeah,
that maybe could be interpreted in different ways, but it's
not just I didn't just read the Bible and interpret
it as this. We're walking together in this force that
made me. Yeah, and he's all powerful and it's just
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it is incredible. So we either believe who he says
he is in his word or we don't.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yep, basically, and that's if I don't have If I
don't believe that the Word of God is true, then
what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't have anything else to fall back on. It's
not well, if the Word is true, then this will
happen for me. But if it's not, then I'll just
believe in mother nature coincidence. That's so unstable, that is
double minded and wicked in all of its ways. You
either believe the word of God, believe that it's true,
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or you don't. A man, and if you're not gonna
believe what's true, then.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Then we're double minded, right, exactly, Yes, And he proves
himself over and over again. Yeah, Because every time you
pick up the Word of God, if you give it
a chance, if you meditate on it, if you really
read it, if you study it. It proves itself over
and over and over again. Yeah, because you know, you
might be in Genesis and read something and then it
picks up again in Luke and you cross reference and go,
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oh my goodness, how did they know? Yep? How did
they know? How did this come together like it did?
It's full of times when God took care of the enemy,
you know, he Sadamungamora, he sent fire and brimstone and
everybody was annihilated, you know. And he he has proved
himself as a powerful force so many times. And like
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we were saying, do we really believe what we are
reading when we read those stories? They're such powerful stories.
And then there's scientific evidence along the way too, if
you look at research and see what they've dug up, and.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I believe He has done all of those things. Is
and if you don't have the word of God to
test things against, you know, because scientists don't typically use
the word of God to test things against, right, then
it's always chief changing, it's always unwavered, it's or you know, wavering,
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So it's not it's not stable. Science without Jesus is
not stable.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Right, And yet they come up with those things with
scientific research and archaeology and all those things, and then
we pull out the Bible and go see there it is. Yeah,
it's it's so it all comes together like that. Yeah,
and that that just fuels my belief. Yeah in Yahweh God,
the living God. Yeah, who knows all things, you know,
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because again he just keeps proving it. They try and
disprove it sometimes and then you end up with the
word of God and it's like oh no, no, there
it is. There it is. Yeah. So how does fear,
anxiety and worry fit into our lives? If we believe
in this Yahweh God is a living God and living
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force in our creator, and we believe it on a
personal level and we're developing a personal relationship with him,
how do fear, anxiety and worry come into our lives?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's just believing in the lie, believing a lie. And
it's almost sheer evidence, like right in front of your
in front of your face that you aren't believing what
the Bible says that you're that you should believe. So
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you're not believing that his word is true when you're
in fear and anxiety and stress and worry because he
said he's got us, Yes, you know, and so if
we think that for a moment, Jesus, I don't believe
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that you're strong enough to take care of me in
the situation. So now I have to take care of
me in this situation, and to fear and her stress
and her anxiety, yes, and her worry. So it's it's unbelief.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It is. And I think that stems from you know,
we can work, we can walk in a personal relationship
with a living God. But if we if we think
about the consequences, and we think about the worst case scenario,
then we're forgetting how he came down in his presence
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and burnt the top of a mountain, and how he
wiped out Sodom and Gomora, and how he flooded the
entire earth and took god enemies, how he walked with
the Israelites, how he was a cloud and a fire,
and how he did all those things. And then we
think to ourselves, well, you know, I will use money
because a lot of people are having financial issues. I
don't have the money. You know, somebody might say I
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don't have the money for rent next month. Yeah, well,
we look at everything in the word that God did,
so you either trust him or you do not. Yeah,
And so it all comes down to Okay, So if
he can wipe out entire nations with water and fire
and brimstone, can he help me to get money to
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have a house over my head? And worst case scenario
if he does not, if I end up homeless, if
I end up living in my car, where is he? Then?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, he is still with us. But his plans, yeah,
are beyond our comprehension. We have no clue what his
plans are. Yes, So if we think we don't have
money for rent, what if his plans are for a
new job, or you know, a good Samaritan in our life,
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or the landlord decides to gift you that house instead
of you having to pay rent. But our thing thinking is.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So limited, limited, thank you, And.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
When we don't see our bank account filling up, we think, well,
Jesus doesn't have me in this situation, So now I
have to control it with fear.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And when you control it with fear and worry, who
is lord? Yeah, that's what we need to ask ourselves. Amen,
either it's me, or it's the enemy, or it's him, right, Yeah,
Because if we say that he is lord of our lives.
You know, we walk around, I'm blessed and highly favored,
and Jesus is Lord? Is he right? When it comes
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down to it and things are going wrong and you're
not sure how to fix it, are we able to
let it go into his hands and say, look, I
said you were Lord. Then that means I really control
to you, and I am open to submit to whatever's next. Yeah.
And I am open to submit to whatever your plan is. Yeah.
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And if it means pain in some way for me,
I will walk through it because I know you're with me. Yeah.
And it takes incredible trust in him to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You think about the daily Manna. There were times where
they didn't believe that that manna was going to come
back the next day and they had to store it up.
So just when I say provision in our life, that's
not necessarily money, you know, but just him providing for
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me and emotionally, mentally, spiritually, financially, physically in my life
means that tomorrow's a new day with fresh manna.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Am I going to believe that? Right?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Or this next hour is coming up and I may
be faced with something that I'm uncertain of?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Am I going to trust that he's Lord of that
hour exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And are we walking in his purpose that he wrote
for us? Yeah? In the book when Psalm one thirty
ninety sixteen, I refer to it constantly, I feel like,
and he wrote that before the beginning of time for us.
So we each and every one of us have a purpose.
So if we end up in a bad situation, how
did we get there? Are we there because it's our wilderness?
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And he wants to take things out of us and
kind of bring us to another level of trust in
him because he's ready to trust us with something. Yeah.
Or is it because we decided to go after something
that we thought was better and willingly or unwillingly or
knowingly or unknowingly removed him as lord and we step
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up and become lord again. Yeah, and say, you know what,
this looks good to me. I'll go over here forgetting
that we need to go to him for everything and say,
is this is this something Lord that you had planned
for me? Yeah? And as we're following his plan, it
doesn't remove the pain. And a lot of times there
is fear that comes and they're suffering that comes, but
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we all go through it anyhow. Yeah, And so it's
just that matter of getting in the center of his will,
and that helps to cancel the fear and the worry
and the anxiety. Even when it starts to come on,
like I don't want to live in my car, you
have to say, like Jesus did, nevertheless, your will be done.
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If this cup cannot pass, yeah, then I know it's
for the good of me and others and you and
your plan, Lord, and you are a lord. And so
even if I have to Christ what drops of blood,
even if it costs me being nailed to something and
giving up something and dying to something, yeah, am I
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willing to bear that pain.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You know what I think is amazing is that even
when we choose to be lord of our life, Jesus
is still with us. Yes, He's never dethroned, right, you know,
so even while I'm walking through the choices that I
made in my life to where I'm controlling the situation,
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he is still with me.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He is.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And I use that a lot because I do, you know,
fall off the path a little bit, and I just say,
you know what, thank you Jesus. So you're still with me, right,
You know, I messed up, but You're still here.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Amen, it's true. Yeah, yeah, he really loves us. He
loves us. I'm going to go to Philippians one. We
find Paul in prison, and as I was reading Philippians one,
I was looking at his attitude, because Paul was a
great apostle and he was called to spread the gospel,
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spread it quickly, and spread it at any cost. And
he was funded along the way by God. Because money
isn't everything. Its supplies that you need, its boldness that
you need, is support and friendship and food and the
other things too. And so I wrote that Paul had
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an attitude of trust and gratitude, and to me, he
was actually a super great cheerleader. So I'm gonna skip
down to verse seven and Philippians one, and verse seven
is talking about how he was in prison and chains
for spreading the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
So he didn't commit a crime. He was spreading the truth.
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He was talking about Jesus in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
You know how to who Jesus was and what he
did and how he can come to God and come
into relationship with God. And he was imprisoned and noting that,
you know, if Paul can be in prison and chained
and still praise and trust God. Then whatever chains we
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have on, whatever that represents to us, we can also
trust God in everything. Because even just reading Paul's story,
how many times he was rescued and how many times
he wasn't, But he's still sitting there saying, in every circumstances,
I've learned to be content and to be absent from
my bodies is to be present with my Lord. And
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I want to go, but I'll stay for you. You know,
he just stayed above it because of his focus. He
was focused on his purpose that God had written for him,
and he was walking it out step by step, and
that was where he needed to be, and God was
leading and guiding him. And verse eleven, Paul says, may
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you always be filled with the fruit of your salvation,
the righteous character produced in your life by Jesus Christ.
So our righteous character is actually produced in our life
by Jesus Christ, and then it brings much glory and
praise to God. In verse twelve, we see that everything
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that happened to Paul there helped spread the Gospel of Christ,
the good news. So I was looking at Paul's focus
in the scripture, and he's like, yeah, I'm sitting in jail.
But everything that's happening here, like even the wardens and everybody, like,
they know why I'm here, they knew who I represent. Yeah,
and people are getting saved and rescued. Nothing about his
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life in the moments that he was writing this letter
to the Philippians was easy. He wasn't worried about paying rent.
He was in jail, yeah, and he wasn't worried about
his reputation while he sat in jail. I wonder if
I by all think what did he do? What did
I you know, what did Paul do? True? No, he
was in jail. And here's why I'm in jail because
I represent the Lord Jesus Christ, and I represent him proudly,
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and I represent him with my whole heart. He is
my purpose. And when they let me out of here,
I will continue, and if they kill me, I'll be
with God. I can't lose. And he just kept that attitude.
And to read it's one thing, to live it is another.
He was living it. Okay, he was living it and
then skipping down to verse twenty eight, I like this
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so much. Don't be intimidated in any way by your enemies.
We're talking about fear, worry, and anxiety. You know, don't
be intimidated, intimidated in any way by your enemies. This
will be a signed to them that they are going
to be destroyed, but that you are going to be saved,
even by God himself. There is again. Yeah, He is
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more than able to rescue us and to lead us
and guide us and supply things for us. More than able.
He wants to. He provided it before we even existed.
And we have to get that through our heads. You know,
we have to, we have to build the faith. We
have to to just you know, read the Word of
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God and really as the Holy Spirit, to let it
sink in and understand it. Open our eyes, open our ears. Yeah,
so that when we we read it, we realize who
God really is and begin to trust Him on that level.
And verse twenty nine, for you have been given not
only the privilege of trusting Christ, but also the privilege
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of suffering for Him. So here we have trusting Christ
and suffering for Christ. In the same verse, we are
in the struggle together. And unity is everything, you know,
it means so much to be united with other believers
and to love and support each other, and then bring
in others who are you know, not believers yet or
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struggling or who have needs, bring them in and surround
them with love, you know, and just do this thing together.
And then Paul says, you have seen my struggle in
the past, and you know that I'm still in the
midst of it. So he's saying, hey, this is my testimony.
And then I'm coming into Philippians too, and this is
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where we're really hoping to get into the meet up
of it. Here Paul asked a question, this is the
new living translation. Is there any encouragement from belonging to Christ? Absolutely, yeah,
because even on our worst days like these are seasons
that pass, you know, if they pass, yeah, just keep
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going through. And sometimes it lasts so long that you
feel like you're not going to hold up under it anymore.
But even in those situations, just crying out to God
and saying, you know, I can't hold up under this anymore.
And then He sends in resources, you know, a phone
call or the money, or moves you to another level
or something. He always is always shifting and turning, and
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it's just a matter of kind of riding the wave,
you know, riding down through like you're riding on a river. Yeah,
going with the flow and trusting him.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You know, that's what being yoked to him is, Like, ooh,
that's good. The easy easy? Is it that the burden
is Mayoka is easy? My burden is late.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, because we are going the same direction as he
is and he's leading and he's Lord. Yeah. Yeah, we
could just get that firm. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, Wow,
that's good. Any comfort from his love? Paul's asking, is
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there any comfort from his love? Absolutely? So, his perfect
love casts out fear there it is. That's good. It's true. Yeah,
it's true. We need to believe it. We do need
to believe it his perfect love.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I think where we struggle with that is that we
know worldly love, so we don't know what perfect love
actually looks like. And of course you have the Corinthians verse.
Love is patient, love is kind, you know, So applying
that definition of love to Jesus as far as his love,
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you know, that's not the world's that's not the world's love, right,
that's the love of Jesus, right, And just applying that
to our being in relationship with him, that he is
patient he is kind, and he is you know, gentle,
all those things.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And he doesn't just one day decide that he's fallen
out of love or that he doesn't like it anymore, no,
or that we're not good enough. Never, No, We're always
good enough, were his.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So can you imagine a full comfort from his love?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I don't. I can't say that I have grasped that fully.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I mean, I feel like I have a good understanding,
but it's not the complete understanding, yes, because I do
still still struggle with fear and anxiety and worry and stress,
and in those moments, all of that seems so real,
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Like I feel like I do have to fear and
I don't know why, or you know, something's caught me
off guard, and so I'm really like heightened, you know,
And in those moments, I would love to just be
like what am I doing? His love is here, It's
on me right, I'm comforted, right, just kind of like
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what Paul was saying about being in the prison. And
you know, he's such a great example too, because it's like,
I don't know that I could be in a prison
and just be so comfortable.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I agree, Yeah, yeah, I agree. I don't know how
he was just rising up to another level. It seems
like just praising and worshiping God and just talking about it.
Like if, okay, if I'm going to be in here,
you're going to hear about the Lord because you're now
a captive audience. Yeah, like you can't go anywhere, you
have to guard me, So let me tell you about
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my Lord.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
The advantage he had was that he did life with
Jesus in the flesh, and so Jesus in the flesh
for us today is what the Body of Christ right,
And it hasn't reached perfection because of the world.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
But I feel like.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
There are a lot of good things in the Body
of Christ, and even some good things that we kind
of dismiss because we don't feel worthy or we feel
rejected in all those things.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So that leads to his next question in verse one,
is there any fellowship together in the spirit? Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah,
And I know here at Brookville House of Worship, we're
well supported in our purpose. When the Lord lays our
purpose on our heart, we're allowed to get started in
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it and make mistakes in it and be supported by
we support each other as we go, you know, and
eventually the experience grows and perfection comes in a certain level.
And so that's how that's how the entire body of
Christ should be. You know, those who are out on
the mission field supporting them, those who are out rescuing people,
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supporting them, even if it's only intercessory prayer, even if
it's only sending and offering whatever you can, just supporting
that or just believing that they are doing what they're.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Called to do. Yes, that's huge. Yeah, I think it's
bigger than we think.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yes. And not being jealous, Yeah, but if you're feeling
that jealousy or something coming on, that is your cue
to go to the Lord and say, you know, I
need you to be lord of this and I need
you to show me what my purpose is and how
I get started in that so that I'm not wanting
what somebody else is trying to do. Yeah, you know.
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And I think another thing too that's popular is questioning
a platform and a microphone and how big or small
that is. Yeah, when, and it's a big topic, but
when believers are become afraid not necessarily here, like I said,
we're we are pretty free in what we're allowed to
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do but are not allowed to do. But encouraged to do.
But you know there are celebrities out there, yeah, and
they just dress wildly and act wildly, but they're not
afraid of any platform. If it's ten thousand people or
one on one or YouTube channel or you know, just
walking through an airport. If somebody approaches them, they are
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who they are. Accept it, love it, idalyze me. But
then you have Christians who are like, I don't know
about the microphone. If you're called to one, get behind one.
You know, fear, worry and anxiety do not belong in
the Kingdom. And we are told to be a light.
So if you're one on one, if if you're YouTube,
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if you are in front of one hundred thousand people,
you should be you in the Lord no matter what.
And so that's another thing. You know, encourage one another,
don't judge, love them, love and support and let's just
because ultimately it is the gospel that matters. And if
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we unite in that and unite in love, that's nothing
can conquer that, nothing can stop that, the glory of
God will flood this earth. We just lay that stuff down. Yeah,
you know, so I'm kind of glad that came up
because I think we need to really encourage other believers
in that, like, don't be afraid. Whatever the Lord lays
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on your heart, and you know it's the Lord, and
it's you know, according to the Word of God, go
for it. Yeah. And then Paul's asking, are your heart's
tender and compassionate? Yeah, that kind of goes hand in hand.
It does with what we were just saying, Yeah, yeah,
be tender because people are going to fail, yeah and fall.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I feel like the example of Jesus as meeting people
where they are, you know, he met the woman at
the well, Yeah, and he did have a tender heart
and compassion for her.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
He did.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And so I feel like a lot of people in
the church are either hard on some others, but they
don't you know, maybe they don't understand what they're calling
is or they try to fit them into a box
that they don't belong in. And I feel like that
just kind of comes down to ignorance too, because you know,
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maybe we aren't familiar with some of the ways that
other people are called to be and as a quote
unquote leader, they just kind of squish this person into
a box because they don't understand or they don't know, right,
so I feel like Jesus has taught me personally. When
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people are called to something they're you can recognize it
because they're passionate about it, right, And it's like eat, breathe, sleep,
this thing. And if I don't understand what it is
or how it works, all I need to do is
just empower them and encourage them to be what Jesus
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is calling them to be, right, whether you know I'm
skilled in that or not, or if it's something I've
never even heard of. Now, obviously you can use discernment
to help with flesh or you know, evil things, obviously,
but I so being tenderhearted for me means recognize what
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these people are passionate about and what their calling is,
and accept it and support them in it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes so.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And that also goes into like the fellowshipping together being
one spirit. If you think about a body, it's so
uniquely and intricately created, and even the word says, does
the hand cut off the foot? You know, because it's
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not a hand. Can you imagine if the hand did
cut off the foot because it's not a hand. I
don't want to be cutting the parts of the body
off just because I don't understand their function. So as
a body, we work together and it functions so beautifully,
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so healthy. Yeah when that unity is enabled, So yeah,
it's really good.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I know, I really like that. What are thoughts that
you might have connected to an experience that you have
had in the past with very anxiety and worry, like
something that tried to stop you in that moment.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
One of my biggest testimonies that the enemy really tried
to stop me, and my calling was I opened a
door to panic attacks. I know exactly what I did
because I heard Jesus in my imagination three times say
don't do that, and I did it anyway, and I
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knew exactly what the door was that I opened. And
in this situation, it was when COVID came. The lockdown happened,
and stores were doing the curb side pick up or whatever,
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and for whatever reason, customers were really confused because they'd
pull on the door and I think our store was
closed for a week, maybe two weeks.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I think it was two weeks actually.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And during that time with the curb side pickup or whatever,
people were so mean, they were so angry, fearful, stressed, worried, anxious,
And I know that Jesus called me to be the
light of the world right so here, and amongst all
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this fear, these people were manifesting fear. I was supposed
to be the light. But what I allowed in was
a fence because people were they you're yelling at me,
threatening me, mean to me, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And so.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
My whole staff was laughing at people trying to pull
on this locked door. And I opened the door of
my heart by being offended and thinking, ha ha ha,
look at you trying to come into this locked door.
And my heart posture was a fence. You hurt me,
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You can't come in. And Jesus said, don't think that way,
and I said, no, they deserve it. And through that
whole week or two weeks, he said, don't don't think
that way, No, they deserve it. I justified I disobeyed him,
and I justified it three times.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And it's interesting that's.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Three times, because it's like the there And so that
third time, I kid you not. When I said no,
I'm doing it, I felt immediately something leave me.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
That was a good thing.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
It was almost like he submitted me to that feeling,
that thought, that belief, and he submitted me to my
own will, and I thought, in that very moment, oh, no, right,
because I knew that was not.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
What I wanted to happen.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
It felt good for those three times, and then after
that third time, I knew I'd done messed up, and
so I opened the door for panic attacks and I
knew that that was not the will of the Lord
for me. Panic attacks were not the will of the Lord.
And I was almost bound to my house. I could
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not step foot out the door even if I wanted to.
As soon as I wanted to, I grab my keys,
put my shoes on, walk out the door, paniceah. And
I was like, I can't live this way. Because I
knew Jesus called me to be an evangelist. I was
called to go out of my house and minister and
be the light of the world and be who He
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created me to be. But I was so bundled up
in fear, anxiety, panic, e stress, worry, and so I
knew that I needed to overcome it, and it was
not easy. It took a lot of hard work, dedication,
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bad days, picking myself up, dusting myself. Well, you know,
through Jesus. Your question was what thoughts did I have
connected to this experience and those thoughts than that, those
moments try to take me down. So after that whole story,
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my thoughts were, I know I'm deep in this pit.
I need to get out, Yes, And the only way
out was through Jesus. And he tried to protect me
and I said, no, I know better than you do,
and he said, okay, I submit you to your will.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
And so.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, I knew I had to get out of it.
Otherwise I would still be in my house, not step
and foot out of that door right now.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
And a lot of people suffer with those panic attacks,
and it's paralyzing, and it does said line them from
purpose and on your sideline from purpose. That brings on
depression and other things too. It's like a little snowball
rolling down a hill. It just keeps gathering and getting
bigger and bigger. And I was thinking about your story
as you were telling it, and where was Jesus? Where
was your focus? Was he Lord when you stepped aside
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and decided to have the attitude I was? And was
he Lord when you decided to climb out of the pit. Yeah,
he was Lord in the pit with you. Yes he was.
He was being Jesus, you know. But so I wonder,
I don't know, if I'm putting you on the spot,
maybe kind of give a two or three steps or something,
or maybe a little summary of how you managed to
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get on the other side of that. Maybe help somebody
with that.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, absolutely, I would love to help anybody with that,
because I know how debilitating it is, and like you said,
it's so it's such an anchor against your purpose in life.
So the first steps that I took were steps. I
took steps out of my house. And I remember the
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literal steps, literal steps. Yes, So I remember my daughter
baking something and she said, oh, we ran out of ingredients.
Can we run to the store real quick? And the
store is less than a half a mile, less than
a quarter mile, you know, And I said, yeah, hey,
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let's go. I grabbed my keys, put my shoes on,
step out, and I'm thinking, oh, no, can I do this?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
But even though.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
That panic felt so real in the moment, I knew
that reality was Jesus's Lord right, And it took everything
in me to drive my car to the point two
miles away that I needed and for my daughter. Even
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so I wasn't going to even leave my car. I
gave her my my debit card, and I said, do
you know where it is? And she goes yeah, and
I'm like, okay, just hurry up, because I was just like,
I don't And the whole time she was gone, she
was probably gone like three minutes. I was so riddled
with fear and I was I was like shaking and thinking,
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please hurry up, Please hurry up, Please hurry up, Please
hurry up. And then I was thinking. There was almost
like separate thoughts, you know, battling against each other, and
so there were thoughts that were like, are you really
going to abandon your daughter at the store right now?
You're really going to turn around and go home right now?
The I was absolutely yeah, And I was like am
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I doing? And then I would be like, well, she
has her phone, I'll just call her. It was yeah.
It was awful, and I but I knew I had
to stay there if I was going, So it was
almost like defeat for each encounter meant turning around and
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going home. So I knew in order to win that moment,
I had to stay. And so I was panicking, but staying.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Overcoming by the blood of the lamb and the power of.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Rest, and of course I was, you know, I was
praising Jesus and I was, you know, the whole time.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
And as soon as she came and I got back home,
I was like, I won. I won. I won that moment.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And then the next one came and I panicked just
as bad, but I stayed and I went back home,
and I thought, I won, you know, and so and
it it was it's through the power of Jesus, because
when we what we focus on gross, right, So when
I focus on panic and focus on the situation where
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I feel like I can't even live, like.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
A borderline phobia, Like, had you let that go and
given into that and not know Jesus as Lord and
bring it back up to your focus as Lord again, yeah,
you could have gone into a phobia and not left
your house at all.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
And I believe that that could have easily happened. I
could have easily been swayed, yeah, by my flesh and
the enemy to just stay home. It's easier to stay home.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
So so the more I stepped out through this through
the strength of Jesus, because remember what we talked about
with his word being true, and if his word isn't
true in my life, then what is right? What do
I have to stand on?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
So his word is true and I'm going to overcome.
And I celebrated each moment, each step, and the more
I did that, the easier it became. And then I
started to remind myself. Remember when you went to the
store with your daughter, you were fine, right, it was okay, right.
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And so now I get into a car and I
drive places and I am so thankful through Jesus, like
my gratitude and Jesus is just beyond so like the
enemy gets a slap in the face every time I
get in the car. Every time I.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Get in the car. Amen, Because it's like Jesus is
Lord of my life. See, doing all things through Christ. Yeah, yeah,
you're your anointed purpose your life as with Him as
Lord gives you strength. Yeah, really it really does. So
what did you end up giving up in that scenario? So,
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in other words, like in trusting Jesus's Lord, you kind
of gave up the security of your home. Yeah, you
had to give something up, something had to die for
you to move forward. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
So you know that little picture of the little little
kid with the tattered Teddy Bear and Jesus, I think
Champ has talked about that before, when he's holding the
big bear behind his back and he's like, just give
it to me. You know, there's something bigger and better,
and you're.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
All familiar to the falling apart, and give it to me.
I'm gonna give you a brand new, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, and we don't even realize that that's the exchange
that we're Yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Were up for every single time, Yeah, every time.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
So and even a lot, I mean some relationships suffered.
I mean not necessarily friendships, but you know, it put
a lot of stress on my family and my household
because they saw me at my worst. I know, you're
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the mama, and they think you know, and I talk
about it openly because it's something that they needed to understand,
you know.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
So those may have even been traumatic moments in their
lives because they're seeing mom hurt so bad and they
don't even know why. And then maybe even some of
them think what can I even do to help? And
they just feel helpless, right, you know? And so.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
I I exchanged a lot for a simple justification of
that person hurt me, and I don't I don't want
to feel compassionate for them right now.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Right, you kind of canceled out love in that moment
and made the trade. So you took the big old
teddy bear and gave it away for the little raggedy one. Yeah,
it's like I'm gonna settle for less right now, because
this is how I feel that. But then when you
got into trouble and you called out to Jesus's Lord
and focused on him again, he brought you out.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah. And that, right, the loveliness of the Christian walk
reminds me of Peter walking on water. Yeah, because when
he took his focus off of Jesus and onto the storm,
he started to sink, right, And I sunk to the
depths of the day, and Jesus was still there. He
was pulling me up out of it. Yes, you know,
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so what he does? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Oh my, I'm sure there's a lot of people listening
to this that are thinking about the time when they,
you know, and Jesus had to grab a hold of
her hand and kind of pull them back in the boat.
And looking at Philippians two verse five, it says, you
must have the same attitude that Jesus Christ had. So
let's take a look at that. So in verse This
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is describing Christ, Jesus, the anointed Messiah. Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God as something
to cling to, which is interesting. Yeah, so he was
he was equal with God because he was God. He's
a part of God, and yet he didn't cling to that.
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Instead verse seven, he gave up his divine privileges. He
took the humble position of a slave. He was born
as a human being. When he appeared in human form,
he humbled himself in obedience to God. He died a
criminal's death on a cross. I mean he did that
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for us. He had to.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
It was.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
The love of God in the relationship of God cost
an animal, the life of a perfect lamb. Yeah, and
it had to be sacrificed to tone them for their sins,
his people, the Israelites. And that happened because back in
the day, you know, Adam and Eve fell when they
ate the fruit, and then Cain killed Abel. And here
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they were and having to make all these sacrifices. And
God said, hey, I've got a perfect lamb, and if
I send him to earth and he is sacrificed once
and for all for everybody's sins, then that's what I've accomplished,
I get relationship with him again. Because God could not
approach a human being without incinerating them. Right, you had
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to be a levite, you had to go through purification rituals,
you had to obey the law to every little comma
and period you had to or when you walked into
the Holy of Holies, into the actual presence of Yahweh God,
you were struck dead and they drug you out by
the ankle. Yeah, there was no approaching God like we
do now. Right, as if Jesus had to come and
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he had to be sacrificed as that lamb, and he
had to be slaughtered and hung, and the blood had
to come out of him and drip to the ground.
That blood cries out to God, as able in Genesis.
Abel's blood cried out when Kane killed him from the
grounds it speaks. And so he came to do that.
But in doing that is everything that I just said.
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This is straight up, this is what Paul wrote in
Philippians too. He humbled himself in obedience to God and
died a criminal's death on a cross. I mean, and
you know, we get up in the morning and think, Okay,
the Lord asked me to do this today. Do I
really want to go out and evanealize today? I don't
know if I feel like it. Well, if God has
called you to it, do it because it might be hard,
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and you might have to die to something, you know,
cancel a plan or whatever. But in the end you're
going to be blessed. You're going to come out of
that with joy in your heart and that can't be
replaced by any kind of money or anything. Just having joy,
you know. So then we go onto verse nine. Therefore
God elevated him to the place of highest honor, and
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so we're talking about him giving up divine privileges and
humbling himself and becoming a slave. He was born into
a human being, Like, oh, look at his position there.
He came from heaven, God's son. Yeah, this God that
we're talking about his son. When it says he humbled
himself again, I don't think we understand the capacity of that.
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I mean, just saying yes to God. I love talking
about obedience and saying yes to God. I love that. Yeah.
And when the Father said to him, will you go
and die for them? Because you're the purest and you're
going to stay here? You can go into the human
body and stay pure of counting on you for that,
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cause you're going to be my lamb that has no blemish. Yeah,
they're going to slaughter you to save themselves so that
you can save them. Will you go? He gave his
ultimate yes, knowing, And we know that he knew the
prophecies because we read all of that, and we know
that he knew his purpose because he went into Caissemone
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and he kind of got mad at his friends there, like, hey,
you can't stay awake and pray for me. I feel
like that. A lot of that was the human side
of him. Yeah, because he knew what was about to happen.
He read it in Isaiah and the other prophets said
it put things in there. He knew he's going to
be slaughtered. He knew all the pain and anguish his
human body was going to go through, and his heart
was going to break because he loves us so much,
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and then sweating sweatdrops of blood. He knew and he
still said yes. And even in Gassemone when he said,
if you can let this cut pass from me, nevertheless,
yere will be done, father, And that is humility, that
is saying I know what the purpose is, Lord, but
I'm not going to put my comfort above you. I'm
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not gonna put anything else above you, not even my family. Yeah,
not my life. Whatever it takes, and whatever that cost is, Lord,
I'm submitting to whatever your plan was, knowing that in
the end it's going to work out for the good.
And that is the exchange. Yeah, that was Jesus humbling himself,
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and that is what we need to do to overcome.
And then when I was reading therefore God elevated him
to the place of highest honor and gave him the
name above all other names, that at the name of Jesus,
every niece should bow in heaven and on earth and
under the earth, and every time declare that Jesus Christ
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is Lord to the glory of God, the Father that
is so powerful. So we saw what his original position was,
as the son of God in heaven, as God equal
with God. And how did it change she came here,
and what action did he take? The cross? And then ultimately,
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thank you Lord, the resurrection, And then we see how
it turns out for the good. And we don't even
know the expense, the expanse of that. We're not going
to know until we go into the next realm and
we see everything that God can actually show us that
we can you know, in our spirit we can absorb
so much more so, should we have a goal like
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this not only to discover our own purpose, but to
operate in the level of obedience that allows God to
be able to elevate us to the highest place of
honor in his eyes, within our purpose that was meant
for us, in our purpose. So people might argue this
with me, but we have a high place of honor. Yeah,
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I believe that in our own purpose. Yeah, because it's
our purpose he wrote for us. Yeah, so this whole
thing of your special we are because we are the
only one of us. And I always say we're like snowflakes.
They say that no snowflake is a lake. Yeah. So
when God sends each and every one of us when
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we're born, he has that purpose. We are the only
one to live that out, and He can use others
and he will, he has to sometimes. But our goal
should be to seek that out, to go to Him
and say, Okay, what is my purpose in life? Help
me live that out, show me, help me hear you,
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help me see you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah, I think just being obedient in his calling in
our life. And when I say calling, people might interpret
that as being a pastor on a platform, you know,
but a calling could just be a mom, you know,
homeschooling children, or you know, dad working at a car
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repair shop and mentoring young young men. You know. So
when you fulfill your purpose and Jesus you are at
your highest honor, you're being obedient and that is honorable.
A lot of the I mean, the world doesn't know
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how to be obedient. The world knows how to feed
the appetites of the flesh, and that's that's being obedient
to the flesh. So I feel like it takes a
lot of sacrifice to be obedient. Ultimately, being obedient leads
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us to his purpose. We should have confidence in that.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
We should and that's okay, Yeah, that's okay, because I
mean some people would look at confidence and think that
somebody's being well, they call it narcissistic nowadays, regardless fit
like you're so full of yourself, so fleshy. But if
the Lord knows your heart, then he knows that you
are just doing your one hundred percent for him and
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for the good of his kingdom and for the Gospel
and then reading verse eleven again, every tongue declared that
Jesus Christ is Lord. What does it say to the
glory of God the Father? So if we are, if
we are serving the purpose which brings us to that
highest place of honor in Him, and which means we're
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displaying our highest for Him in our purpose, ultimately his
glory shines bright in that. Yeah. Yeah, And so that's
not something to run from. And if we're operating in love,
then we're not running somebody over with our right bold
confidence that's worldly or fleshy.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Well, and being confident doesn't that you have to be
a jerk, Yeah, exactly, because we are held to the
fruits that we bear right and so we can be
confident but love and and be and bring peace, you know,
and patience. So so hopefully like confidence isn't triggering to
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other people that they think that we're just being arrogant
or controlling or you know, because hopefully there would be
a difference, right.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Well, And it's all about focus again, who is lord
of their lives? True, especially if they're a believer and
they're supposed to operate in love and they're looking at
you or me or someone else and doing their purpose.
Purpose shines it's meant to. Yeah, And the Bible says,
don't cover that up. Let it shine, right, don't hide it.
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And so people who are not in their purpose, we'll
look at that and there might be some jealousy there,
or there might be something that kicks up in them
that says, this person is showing off or this person
thinks they're better. And what it is, it is the
glory of God shining through. Yeah. But the person who
is acting in love and is walking with God in
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the purpose, they don't. Again, it comes down and you
don't see what happens behind the scenes, right, Okay, because
maybe let's go back to the microphone and platform, because
that is a hang up for so many people. That
person behind the microphone, what did they give up, yeah,
in their life to become to come into their purpose
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and serve their highest honor for their God. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
And I initially wanted to chime in when you are
saying about that, initially that we don't know what they
went through to get to that place. Now and everyone
thinks that, I mean not I shouldn't say everyone, but
there are people who maybe covet that position.
Speaker 1 (58:58):
A lot of times, like even my own life. If
I've been jealous, I go to the Lord and ask
him why. So, continuing with the example of the microphone.
If you have the microphone, Tiffany, and I'm jealous of you,
I go to the Lord and say why am I jealous?
He may have a microphone. I almost wish I wouldn't
have picked this example. I might have a microphone at
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some point. And it was meant to be a purpose
to shine for Goodden, to get the gospel out there.
I haven't gotten there yet? And why am I not
walking in purpose? Am I chasing other things? First? Am
I forgetting to make him Lord? Am I Lord of
my life? Am I designing my life? Have I walked
off that very narrow path? Am I in the word?
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Am I praying faithfully? Am I serving others? Am I
loving everybody to the best of my ability? Am I
depending on the Holy Spirit and what he says to do?
Am I asking him? Yeah? You know? You know, all
those things fall into place when you're looking for your
purpose and asking God. And the closer you get in
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relationship with God, the easier it is to hear his voice,
the easier it is to say yes. Even if you
know you're going to struggle, and even if you know
you're going to be elevated above something else, then you
still have that confidence that God asked me to do it,
I'm just going to do it. Yeah, Like, just because
you're on a platform or behind a microphone doesn't mean
that you feel like you're entitled to be there. Yeah.
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You think about Cain and Abel. Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
One had a position and one didn't right, and there
were consequences for that jealousy.
Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
So Kin decided what he wanted to bring to God.
Abel brought what God asked him to. Yeah, and we
do that. Yeah. If I go to God and say, hey,
I'd like to have a ministry and I want one
hundred thousand people and I want a chart, it's a
whole lot different than going to him as saying, Lord,
what my purpose? And when He's led me into that purpose,
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maybe I'm going to work at a thrift store. Yeah,
and I'm going to make sure the homeless get fed
on my way home from work. And maybe nobody knows
my name yep. But my life is beautiful because it's
shining with the purpose of God. And I'm happy in that,
and I'm joyful in that because it's where he hit me.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
And you can imagine the cloud of witnesses that are
watching and cheering you on.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Yeah, some people's flush wants recognition and a name for themselves.
And yeah, kind of like it, like that's dangerous. That's
what the devil did. That's I mean, Lucifer was kicked
out of heaven so fast it flashed like lightning because
he wanted elevated so desperately bad. And it holds that
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when we elevate ourselves. I've tried, I'll admit it well,
and it didn't hold the blessing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I saw a quote from somebody that said, if you
have to disobey God to get it, you'll have to
disobey him to keep it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Keep it, yes, yes, and that makes you lord. Yeah.
And he cannot be lord with someone else because he
cannot co exist with sin, he cannot co exist with
another god. And if you're craving it so desperately bad
that you're jealous and you're upset and you're offended at
someone else who you should be loving, then it's an idol.
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Absolutely. And if he comes to you and says, you know,
I want you to go to Africa by yourself. I
get a little cabin over there, and I want you
to serve the orphans and dig wells with a shovel.
And you say no. Whatever you said no because of
is an idol. Wow, And you've just walked off the path. Yep,
(01:02:57):
and it is going to be a miserable could be
a multi billionaire and be miserable because you missed your purpose? Yeah, absolutely,
And you can also be a multi billionaire and be
on the road of purpose and be joyful and content
and be sowing that money everywhere. Yeah. So we can't really,
(01:03:18):
you just can't be the judge of it. It's all
about submitting and walking in love and God being God well,
being tenderhearted. Yeah, it's and compassionate, yeah, forgiving, supporting one another. Yeah.
So we kind of kind of took the topic of fear,
(01:03:42):
anxiety and worry and we have really really surrounded it
with so many things to think about. Yeah, because when
when you're on the path, you might feel fear, but
you can tell it to go. You have authority through
Jesus and his name. Everything bows to his name name
of Jesus. Fear, go get behind me. Fear. Yeah, you know,
(01:04:04):
Jesus said, get behind me, Satan. Yeah, he was quick
and it went yep. So we can do that. And
also just feeling the fear and then going to God
and saying, I'm feeling fear and I know that you've
asked me for a yes, you know, I know that
you've asked me for obedience. But this is such a
(01:04:24):
big step. I need you to help me. Yeah. And
it's called grace. Yeah. And so he will pour it
out on you like a waterfall, you know, like I
will help you. Just do the next right thing with me. Yeah,
just take that step. Just keep saying your kingdom come
and you will be done, Lord, and I will do
(01:04:47):
it no matter what that cost is. And he does.
He supports you the whole way, the whole way through. Yeah. Amen,
I like that all right. I think that's good to
to end on.
Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yeah, Jesus, I thank you that you are teaching us
how to make you lord of our life, how to
submit to you and to obey you.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Lord.
Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
I thank you for everyone who's listening that they have
these seeds of revelation planet and their spirit, and that
those seeds will come to a harvest a revelation of
who they are in Christ, the tolls that you've given
us to understand your love, comprehend your love, and to
(01:05:43):
imitate that to everyone we meet. Jesus I just invite
you into everybody's life. Just be in agreement that he
is invited into your life to show to show us
(01:06:07):
how fear and stress and anxiety and worry really do.
Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Crush us.
Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
So Jesus, I thank you for this word today, and
may it not return to you avoid but accomplish everything
that you please.
Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Amen. All right, to our listeners, we really appreciate you
for tuning in and stay in touch with us. Talk
to you next time. Bye bye. Thank you for joining
in with us today. I hope you felt right at
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(01:07:15):
the Lord with everything you've got. Amen, looking forward to
our next conversation. Be blessed bye for now,
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