May 4, 2025 • 42 mins
It is amazing how every time we crack open the Holy Bible, the Word of God written for us, we get something new! Every time! It’s alive and active! Kristi (Brookville House of Worship) and Champ (True North Ministries) discuss the Word from the Lord from Genesis 22 and how it relates to God’s promise and covenant, sacrifice, full surrender and obedience. It’s fantastic! God loves us beyond our comprehension and does everything to build relationship with us! It’s such a beautiful blessing! What is our part in the relationship? Can’t wait for you to join in!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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It's time to get started tonight. We're talking about worship
and relationship. Yeah, so we're gonna give you a little
taste here of the Word of God and we're going
to Genesis twenty two.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And I need a cough drop first, cham needs a
cough drop. So we had a women's worship night last
night and we might have got a little too loud. Yeah,
because my voice was shot today, which was super great.
It was great.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Where'd everybody go? Was it all kids in here. Wow.
It's nice knowing you guys. Okay, all right, So if
everybody's turned into Genesis twenty two, we're gonna talk about
Abraham and Isaac, the promise, the covenant, the sacrifice, the
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full surrender, the obedience. Yes, it's fantastic. It is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You know what I love about the word that every
time you crack it open, you get something.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
New out of it. Amen, every time. Yeah, it is
alive and active. It is wow. Amen, Praise God. Sorry,
go ahead me, No, I love it. We're supposed to
be doing this, okay, yeah, okay, so verse one. Sometime later,
God tested Abraham's faith. Abraham, God called, yes, he replied, here,
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I am take your son, your only son. Yes, Isaac,
whom you love so much.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Whom you love so much, hold on to that whom
you loved so much.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah. And he had waited a long time for Isaac. Yeah,
he had waited his whole entire life for Isaac. You're right,
because God had promised him a few chapters before this,
and it was a long time, going whom you love
so much and go to the land of Mariah, go
and sacrifice him as a burnt offering on one of
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the mountains, which I will show you. And God had
a habit with Abraham of saying i'll show you. Just
go and I'll show you.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
He shows us a lot of for looking getting attention. Yeah, truth, Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So then the next morning, this is the first three,
Abraham got up early. He saddled his donkey and took
two of his servants with him, along with his son Isaac.
Then he chopped with for fire for a burnt offering
is set out for the place God had told him about.
So the next morning, so Abraham was asked to take
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his only son that he had waited his entire life
for and put him on an altar and set it
afire and burnt him up.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And I have to point out, and Taylor pointed this
how a while ago, it's the burnt offering, that's the
all consuming fire. The whole thing gets sacrificed. It's everything.
He was about to lay his whole son, all of him,
down on that altar.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, come on, And then we see the next morning
Abraham got up early and settled the donkey. I don't
know if God would have come to me and said
for me to sacriface one of my kids. If the
next day I wouldn't be on the phone crying to
friends asking for prayer, asking God if there was another.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Way, if you know, can imagine?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Could you imagine that?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Wow? Yeah? Early next morning he settled up a donkey.
That was immediate obedience. And that's worship.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, it is. We talk about that all through our podcasts.
That worship, when it comes down to it, really is
obedience in every moment. It's obedience in a moment when
the Lord speaks, were obedient to his voice and what
he's asking?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Amen? Amen. Verse four. On the third day of their journey,
Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance.
Doesn't say how he felt, but he looked up and
saw the place in the distance. And verse five, stay
here with the donkey, Abraham told the servants, and I
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love this. Pay attention the boy and I will travel
a little further. We will worship there, and then we
will come right back.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Did Abraham know something?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Wow? Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you're familiar with
that story where Jesus put the aske the disciples to
cross the Sea of Galilee with him and he said,
we are going to the other side, and Jesus knew
that there was a demon possessed man over there, full
of a legion of demons. But he was so exhausted
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he had just I think, if I remember right, John
the Baptist had been killed. They delivered the news. He
went off on his own. The crowd followed him. He
couldn't go grief his cousin if that was what he
was doing. But he was definitely getting alone with the Lord.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Back in Genesis fifteen, the Lord spoke to Abraham. I
want to say, Moses. For some reason, I don't know
if we're on Abraham, Okay. The Lord spoke to Abraham
and said he would make him a father of a
multitude of nations. The Lord already spoke to Abraham, and
he promised him a son Isaac. He made a promise
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to him, and he even said, let me find it.
I will bless your wife. This is back in Genesis seventeen.
We don't need to go there Verse sixteen. I will
bless your wife, and she will become nations. Kings of
people will come from her. You shall call him Isaac.
I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting
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covenant for his offspring after him. See this came down
to a matter of covenant trust men, because he says,
we'll come back the boy and I will come back.
So did he know something? I feel like Abraham already
understood covenant and trust with the Lord. The Lord had
already provided for him prior to that. So many times
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he literally rescue a lot, He interceded for a lot,
and Sodom and Gomorrah. He saved Abraham from the house
of Pharaoh and then the house of a Bemelech. He
knew him as Jehovah Jirah. The Lord will provide, and
we'll get to that. But he already knew his God
because he had relationship with him, that he could bring
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his son in confidence before the Lord and know that
the Lord would take care of it. The Lord would provide. See,
a covenant is a solemn, binding agreement or relationship between
God and his people. It's binding, and I think Abraham
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had an understanding of that. He did he already established
covenant with Abraham beforehand. So now we're going to see
the Lord asking Abraham do you trust me? Are you King?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Meant putting his son on the altar, even if that's
that's really amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Do you think this is the same kind of confidence
like Abraham taking his son and setting up an altar
for a sacrifice and we get to read this yet,
but we're getting there. You think that's the same kind
of confidence that David had in the field, knowing the
Lord growing in relationship with him, that he could show
up to a battle line against the giant and be
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okay and see I come in the name of the
Lord of post.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Abraham was forged in that same connection. He was Yes,
he knew the Lord would provide because he knew him
as Jehovah Jarah provider.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes. And his purpose was to bring forth God's family,
the Hebrews, Israelites, the Jewish, yeah people. And so that
also kind of refers to there's an undertow of the grace.
Abraham was born to do that. So then Abraham was
empowered to do that by God's grace even in the
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Old Testament, which to me is amazing because everything that
he needed was inside of him somewhere, and God saw
that and recognize that, and he yes, yes, and he
made sure that he tended to that. You know, he
paid attention to that and when God said go, he went,
and what God said to do he did.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So, you know what else is very special and this
just proves that God is good. The Lord even provided
for Hagar and Ishmael. He did, which is the child
that Abraham had outside of the covenant. The Lord provided
for him and Hagar and Ishmael too. Yes, is not
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the Lord good?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
He is good?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Dude? Do we not see that in our own lives
when we produce something that the Lord says, don't do that,
that's not the promise. Yeah, he's still good and faithful.
Thank goodness for that man.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, kind of makes us feel better when we make
a mistake that we see how God deals with that
in the word, you know, okay? Verse six, So Abraham
placed the wood for the burnt offering on Isaac's shoulders.
Wood on the shoulders. Where have we seen that?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That sounds familiar, that he would lay the wood on Isaac.
And this this literally did make me think of Jesus
and the cross, because Jesus carries the cross, and we
get this so confused. We think Jesus carrying the cross
was just we hear that right, We're supposed to carry
our cross, and we make it about carrying our own burdens, like, oh,
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carrying our burdens, you know. But in that culture, in
Roman culture, if you were carrying a cross on your back,
the people knew that you were walking unto your death.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You were bearing death.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
On your back. Yeah, and that's what Jesus did, right,
He carried his cross up onto that hill. And here's
Isaac bearing death on his back. Once again. He laid
wood upon his son, Isaac. And you'll see the tables
turn here soon.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah. A lot of things in the Old Testament are
shadows of the things that take place in the New Testament.
And I think this next little phrase too. While he
himself carried the fire and the knife, so wow, Isaac
was burying the wood for his own sacrifice of him.
Abraham was walking beside him, carrying the fire and the knife,
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and the two of them walked on together. God never
leaves us or forsake SSS. So ever, even when we're
carrying our cross, he's right there. When Jesus carried his cross,
he was right there. Isaac turned to Abraham and said, father, yes,
my son. Abraham replied, we have the fire in the wood.
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The boy said, but where's the sheep for the burnt offering.
God will provide a sheep for the burnt offering, my son,
Abraham answered, and they both walked on together. And Champ
and I were talking this over earlier, getting organized and
things like that, and I said, you know, he didn't
run off crying, He didn't throw it down and have
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a tantrum or anything like that. They walked on together.
And that shows a great father son relationship right there
between Abraham and Isaac, and the whole general thing too,
where he was passing on to Isaac no matter what
God says, even to the point where you know, we're
going somewhere, and if God doesn't provide the sacrifice, you
see me with the fire and a knife. You see
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there's wood on your back. You see there's no sacrifice.
And are you willing, Isaac to do as I ask
you to do? One, to follow what the Lord is
commanding me to do. And Isaac and he just walked
on together. That's what the Bible says. When they arrived
at the place where God had told him to go,
Abraham and arranged the wood on it. Then he tied
his son Isaac and laid him on the altar on
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top of the wood, and Abraham picked up the knife
to kill his son as a sacrifice, and at that moment,
the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven. Abraham, Abraham,
when the Lord calls your name twice, it's pay attention.
This is really important. I want to make sure you're
focused on me. Yes, Abraham replied, here, I am sorry.
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You have to skip down a little bit. Don't lay
a hand on the boy. The angel said, do not
hurt him in any way. For now I know that
you truly fear God. You have not withheld from me,
even your son, your only son. He was giving everything
in that moment. Yeah, was giving everything in that moment.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
In a way, if you think about it, Abraham himself
was laying his life down there. Yeah, because it was
his son, his own flesh, his own it was it
was the air.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It was the blessing, the inheritance.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
He was laying his own life down, his own flesh,
down there before the Lord.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, Greater love has no man than this. Right, they
lay down their life for another man.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And if Isaac died in that moment, it looked like
the Covenant would die too.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I mean, there's always that chance maybe it would have
another one or change things around with Ishmael or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But he already gave him the name eyes Isaac.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, yes, he was part of that covenant. Yeah, I
will certainly bless you. I will multiply your descendants beyond number,
like the stars in the sky and the sand on
the seashore. Your descendants will conquer the cities of their enemies.
So in that moment, after that obedience, that true obedience,
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and that heart, that complete heart for God, and he
was willing to go through that for God. God right there,
re emphasize that covenant with him, word for word. This
is what I had told you, and this is what's
going to happen. Are you gonna comment?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
No, I'm just stuck on that. Now I know that
you fear God. Yeah, now I know that you fear God.
The Lord wants to know that we won't place anything
in between him and us, not even the promise, Isaac
was a promise, yes, And a lot of times we
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place the promise in between us and the Lord. And
he's saying, no, no thing gets to come into this
sacred place in which you're called to abide. And that's
really what Fearing the Lord is all about. It's reverence.
It's respect that you placed no other thing before him
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other than your own flesh. Yeah, I went off on earlier,
but it's really interesting to me. So if you like
interesting things, I'm gonna share it. Did you know that
there's a wood offering in the Bible. It's in Nehemiah.
So they would gather the wood and they would keep
it what's dacked, stalked, so that the fire would never
go out, continually continual fire. It was fuel and it
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represented devotion, and they were bringing the fire always ready
for the sacrifices.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
So you know what Abraham showed up with the wood.
He was devoted. He's saying, Lord, I'm in this, I'm
in this, and I think right then and there the
Lord knew, like, okay, he's devoted to me. And then
we see the atonement. M you know, something else was
provided in its place. Yes, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
The Neighbraham looked up and saw a ram caught by
its horns in a thicket. So he took the ram
and sacrificed it as a burnt offering in place of
his son God provided I'm thinking about fearing God too.
I was gonna little insert a little something, and I
just stuck there fearing God, the awesomeness of God, putting
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God so high and lifted up that everything else you
wouldn't You wouldn't even think about fearing something else before
you would fear him. Does that make sense? Yeah, so
you're you're fearing God so much that nothing else could
even compare to that. Yeah, He's He's so much awesomeness
when you focus on him and you come into that
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relationship with him, that everything else seemed so small. And
I know that he can draw us to that place.
You know, it's just a matter of moment by moment,
step by step, continuing to just come into his presence
and continually just pouring yourself out to him that continues
offering like here I am again, Here I am again.
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I'm giving this up for you. I'm laying this down
for you because you're bigger. You're bigger than the situation,
You're bigger than everything. You are God, You're an awesome God.
You created everything that we know, and you do everything perfectly,
and you love in this tremendous, pure one hundred percent.
There's nothing but love in you. You know, it kind
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of makes everything else just.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And he desires that relationship with us. It is I mean,
how many times do we see the Lord people out
of something into something and it's always relationship calling them
out of Egypt, Pharaoh, let my people go so that
my people may worship me. He called them out of
their own hometowns, from their own families because he knew
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that there was a hindrance to worship, but they couldn't
worship him fully. So he's asking us to lay those
things down. I'm calling you out of something into something.
It's relationship. Yeah, we're called to abide in his love. Yeah,
remain stay there because apart from it, we can do
what nothing. We gain nothing, he said, Abide stay under
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the cloud even when the sun looks so warm and
tempting and inviting. Or stay under the fire by night
even though the heat feels unbearable.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, that's trust.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Worship relationship is built on mutual trust. Any good relationship
is built on mutual trust.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Right, right, and yielding and honoring.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And that's where faithfulness comes in. Yeah, when the Lord
says I'll do something, will you stand and belief that
I'll do He wants to know that we trust him,
and man, oh Lord, we trust you. You're so good,
You're so good.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And that comes step by step two. It's saying yes
and being obedient and watching what happens, and then he
comes through. And then the next time something happens, you're
trusting and you're obedient, and he comes through, and so
he shows you. He again. It comes back to that
empowering grace. He shows you all the time if you
just trust me, and a lot of times it can
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come down to that very very very last minute and
then boom, he comes through. And then it builds you
up for the next time, and you just get closer
and closer and closer. And Abraham named that place yahweh
yairas is what my word says, yes Jehovah jirah, which
means the Lord will provide. And to this day people
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still use that name as a proverb. On the mountain
of the Lord, it will be provided, yep, amen man.
Then the Angel of the Lord called again to Abraham
from heaven. This is what the Lord says, because you
have obeyed me and have not withheld even your son,
your only son, is a name that I will certainly
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bless you. I will multiply your descendants beyond number, like
the stars in the sky and the sand on the seashore.
Your descendants will conquer the city's other enemies, and through
your descendants, all the nations of the earth will be blessed,
all because you have obeyed me. That's all he wanted.
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It's all he wanted was obedience.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I mean, we can fight it out in the garden
of Casemone all we want. Lord, lets us cut pass,
but you always have to remember. But nevertheless, if it's
not going to pass, let your will be done. Let
your will be done. And then going through without obedience
every single time, every single time, because he knows what's
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best for us and us meaning us and him and
the rest of creation, because he works everything out for
the good and he wants us to be in unity
and love, and so he somehow manages to do the
right thing regardless of our little things that we do,
our quirks are sometimes will drag your feet or something
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like that. But what he wants is obedience. Yeah, yeah,
And because of that, he just once again, you know,
reiterated that covenant again, like let's just tell you one
more time, these are the benefits on one of three,
one or two or three. Bless the Lord O my soul,
and forgetting not all his benefits, yea, these are the Okay,
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you get the God of the universe. I feel like,
you know, if I run one of those you know,
prices right or something, you get his You know, you
get his love, you get his presence. You know your
enemies will turn on each other if you praise him.
I sat down in my Bible study and I started
writing five star reviews. I just took the scripture socks reading.
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And then once I got started with it, I started
flipping through and I'm like, oh, five star review, Second Chronicles,
twenty oh five star review. You know, Jesus came out
of the grave, So sorry, I go there. You're good.
You're good, But you're gonna find a lot of five
star reviews in the word. You are for sure if
we'll be blessed all because you obeyed me. How would
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you like to stand in the presence of God someday
and have him look at you and say, you know, hey,
I'll use Champ. Champ, let me find that scripture one
more time, Champ, all the nations of the Earth will
be blessed all because you obeyed me.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Wow, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
That's powerful because everything that we do does affect so many. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Can I just say something like Andy shared something with
us the other day that the podcast that we we
think so near sighted sometimes, but you said there was
people from other countries listening. That's to the nations, just
in this little town of Brookville. Reach the nations. Now,
isn't that really cool?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
We don't got to walk there anymore. You know, the
disciples they had to walk everywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
True. Yeah, we just can click a button while Andy does.
I'm sorry, Andy, he does more than just click a button,
but you know what I mean. Technology has made it
so easy to reach them. But will you do it?
Will you speak on his behalf? Will you know him
and make him known? And while we're talking about relationship,
and since this is foreshadowing Christ, can we talk about
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Christ for a minute. Because he was obedient unto what
death and we receive the ministry of reconciliation, let's talk
about relationship there. Yeah, now we can come into his nearness,
it's his closeness. Yeah, we get to abide in him.
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We get to seek his face. Do you know what
face means?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
We get to abide in his presence. Yeah. All he
wants is a relationship with us. It's all about to
know him and make him known. Yeah, you do you
understand that, Like we receive the ministry of reconciliation, which
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means all those things that we've done, if we just
ask for forgiveness, it's forgiven a man he said it
on the cross, it is finished. The very cross that
he bore on his back, he bore death on his back.
It is finished.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So now we get to come into relationship with him.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And when we're in relationship with him, our other relationships thrive. Right,
My marriage thrives now when we're obedient to Christ first. Yeah,
and you know what we're created for relationship, Yes, we are.
Adam was told it's not good for man to be alone,
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so you give him helper.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Suitable, which as a helper, a helper suitable, isn't that awesome?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Suitable?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You're suitable? Yeah, that should be in the wedding vows. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I will be suitable for you.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And then Adam and Eve walked with God in the
garden in the cool of the day. They got to
abide in the garden and guess what we get to
abide there too, in his presence.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Right, that's right, reconciliation right there. God can't help himself
and all that he does. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
All throughout the Bible we see relationships, everything being go
on relationships because we see the tribes in the priesthoods
dwelling together. Right, all the priests, the levites were actually families.
It went down from the fathers to the sons. Hey,
guess what, We're one big family a priest. Yeah, isn't
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that cool? Let me see friendships. We see Jonathan and David,
and then we see deston relationships like Ruth and Naomi
or Ruth and boas we see them over and over again,
Esther and the King. Those are destined relationships. If those
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had not happened, we wouldn't have got to Jesus, God
went ahead and figured it all out way before we could,
before they could. That's what's awesome.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And we talked about earlier, between you and my, short
term relationships that made a difference in history. Whenever, oh,
my mind just went blank. Why is that happening? The
one who helped the spies help me out rehab rehab,
help the spies in the moment when they came into Jericho,
she hid them. That was a short term relationship, Tamar.
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That's when I was trying to think of, Yes, that
relationship with when she pretended that she was a prostitute,
and then with Judah too, and then that short term
relationship seemed like it was all wrong, but it produced
an air yeah for Judah. And we know that Christ
came from Judah. So there's like those types of relationships too,
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all the way through the word.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Absolutely and then what's really cool? And we can apply
this to our lives today because I don't know about you, guys.
And I said this to Serena just last night. I'm
not about surface relationships. I don't know about you guys,
but I'm not about the surface relationships. I actually want
to know you and I want to know your name
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if I can look at your I want to know
that you're Derek and you're Brandon.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I want to know people. And that's what the Act's
church was. What did they do together? Everything? They broke
bread together, they prayed together, they went to the temple together,
all things in common that.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
When you go into covenant as a family, everything that's
mine is yours and everything that's yours is mine. So
you come into the family of God and acts had
that down. The people in as had that down. You know,
the stories of them meeting together like that everything belonged
to basically each other in the ministry and they were
able to as one unit, be able to spread that
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word throughout the regions because there was really nothing hold
them back. Once they unified, there was just no stopping.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And you know, it's really cool when God's people come together,
like when God's come when we come together and one
we can't help but worship, right, we can't help it.
It's hard for Taylor and I to get together and
just sit down and talk about things of the world.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
We just can't.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, man, it's hard when we gather, it's hard not
to worship. And there he is in our mits where
two or three are gathered. There he is in our mits, right. Yeah,
he wants to be in relationship with us. We don't
just sit in my living room and play ping pong
with the Bible.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
There he is sitting playing too. Honestly, he wants.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Friendship with us. We make it so sometimes I feel
like we just want to stay behind the veil. Ouch,
that's hard, but you know what I mean. Yeah, I
had a vision of a bride one time. You know,
the bridegroom took the veil off, put it behind her head,
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and now she went to walk down the aisle, she
put it back on. Sometimes in our relationships, we live
behind the veil when he's like, no, I took it off,
I tore it. You can come near to me, you
can draw near to me. Yeah, sorry, I told you
have tangent.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
That's why we're here.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
God tends to rip that veil, so yeah, can't be
on the veil anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
No, come out, all right.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
So we were at the end of the Genesis twenty two.
Do you everything else in there?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I do?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Mind went a different direction, So I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Know what do you got.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I was just I told you no, I was just
talking about different kind of relationship. But I love the
way that we went, you know, I just okay, I'm
trying to think how to kind of insert this. But
some of the things that I had and here was
just kind of different ways to build a relationship with God.
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We know, we can get the word out, we can
sing worship and those types of things, but there are
little things that you can do. Worship to me also
is you know when you first meet and you're dating
and you want to be together all the time, and
you just talk talk talk, talk, talk talk, and you
find out everything that you can about each other, and
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then you get married and it's like like what else
is there to learn? And there are things you do
grow together and that's really really cool. But worship to
me is like returning to the dating zone with God,
Like what can I get to know about you? Let's talk,
let's talk, Let's spend all of our time together. What
can I tell you about me? How can we build
our relationship? And in doing that, as I was drawing
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closer and closer to God, because I have a testimoney too.
But as I was coming back to God and drawing
closer to God, there was this little game that we
played and one day I was just always singing to
God because I'm a singer and I'm a worshiper, so
I tend to go to God with music and I'm
singing away, singing away, and I can't remember if it
was morning or night, but there was a pause and
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I was like, you know what, it's your turn. Give
me a song. I'm pretty sure it was evening anyway.
So I woke up the next morning with a song
on my mind, my girl. I'm like, what is that?
I had to look it up and song is a
secular song, but it's you know, my girl, my girl,
my girl, talking about my girl. And when I listened
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to it, it just brought me to tears, and I
realized I remembered and I a journal, Lord, give me
a song. And he woke me up with that song,
singing to me, my girl, my girl, and it just
meant so much, you know. And then there was a
time I woke up and he was there's an old
chorus he dances over us with joy, and it's also
a scripture I believe Zachariah. So we played this little
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game back and forth as if I was dating him,
you know, and I would a song, and then the
next day or the next morning, he would give me
a song. It was just incredible, So you know, with
God too, I mean, that was really fun for me.
It was really fun for me. There's you can kind
of go through life sowing seeds. And that doesn't just
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mean money dropping money everywhere, but just sowing a seed like, okay,
you know, sow a smile or a hug or something
like that, or sew some money and then you know,
just pay attention and you'll see it where God will
just multiply it and then it'll come back and you'll
be like, wow, that's amazing. Maybe I need a hug
today and you'll get ten. It's like okay, okay. So
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he is so real and has so much fun with us,
and it's his pleasure and his will to be with
us and make that relationship and to love on us
that he actually will come to us in little ways
like that. And I don't know, I just felt kind
of led to like share that because people put him
in a place where I have to go to a
church building where I have to kneel beside my bed
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or I have to read the Bible through every single year,
and you can and that's beautiful. But there are other
ways too. You can meet him on your level and
it could be fun and exciting that way. Absolutely absolutely
kind of throwing that in there.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
No, that's good, you got any more of those?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Might bet on that one? Okay, are you ready to
wrap up?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Well? I just want to finish out with what is
any good relationship take its intimacy abiding in the secret place. Yes,
you know, all throughout the Bible, I found something really
really in common with any time that intimacy was mentioned,
there was two things, leave and cleave. Leave and cleave.
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Do you see Abraham was pulled out of his from
his family so that he could cleave to the Lord.
In a marriage where told that the husband would leave
the mother and the father so that he could cling
to his wife. And I feel like this is where
we need to be in the secret place. We need
to leave the things of the world behind because guess what,
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it's baggage, And it's baggage that we're trying to pick
up and take with us into our relationship with the
Lord when he's just asking us to lay it at
his feet. And it's baggage that we're taking into our
relationships in the future. You know, past friendships that didn't
go so well. We've got to leave that stuff behind.
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Leave so we can cleave to the good, good friendships.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Those of us that were married before.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
We've got to leave that so that we can cleave
to what God is bringing into our lives. And when
it comes down to it, we can't bring an Ishmael
to the altar in place of an Isaac, right a man, Yep, yeah, wow,
we can't bring an Ishmael to the altar in place
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of an Isaac. The things that we think we should
be placing before the Lord, when he's just asking for us,
our flesh, the thing we don't really want to give
up sometimes, right, But that's just what he's asking. That
we'd be wholly his Nothing would be in between us,
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not even the promise, right, because I am my beloved
and he is mine, right, And that's what it's all about.
That's why we're created. We are created for a relationship
with the Lord, to live in his closeness, his nearness,
and we can draw near with confidence. And I feel
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like if we just grab hold of this again, all
of our relationships would thrive. Relationship with the Lord is
of utmost importance because everywhere we go, every thing we
say to every person, every person we in counter every
single day, it's going to make a difference if we
had abided in the secret place.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
You know, if God can call you a friend, what
do you think about your friends? You know, if if
you need something, you can call on them and they're there.
You know, no questions. Ask you got a flat three
in the morning and call me. I'll be there, you know.
I like brain things sound a practical level too. But yeah,
anything that God needed or wanted Neighbraham was, he was there,
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did it no matter what the cost is, what it
comes down to, it's uh, it's definitely a cross, you know, Yeah,
because everything has to be You have to drain yourself
and get rid of everything and anything that would be
a God before him yep, so that he can flow.
And God is so pure that he cannot he cannot
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hang out with sin. So if we choose him first,
and we fear him and we obey him, and we
trust him above everything out, I'll put him on that
level and make him lord and we are no longer lord,
We're no longer part of it. He can function one
hundred percent fully and purely in that situation. And that's
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when you see, like that verse Andy shared where the
enemy turned on itself. Yeah, why because they put him
first though, if you read Second Chronicles twenty again later
on on your own and just meditate on it, they
put him first in everything, absolutely everything in that chapter,
and he was able to move so quickly, because nobody
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stepped in and said, oh, I think I'll be lord
of this section. Okay, you take steps one through five. God,
I'm gonna do step six, and then you could do seven, eight, nine, ten.
It was all about God. Their focus was completely on God,
and they were even saying, if you don't act, we
don't know what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
When we raise the shield of faith, Let's think of
our armor for a minute. We raise the shield of faith,
like we have all these tools the armor of God,
yet do we use them. When we raise the shield
of faith, he's literally protecting us and deflecting those fiery
flames of the enemy, because you know what confusion in
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the camp is. A lot of times they would shoot
arrows into the enemy's camp to cause confusion, mass chaos,
to get them more worried about putting out the flames
that were happening in their camp so they could overtake them.
So if we raise that shield of faith and we
trust in the Lord and meet him where he's at,
he protects and he deflects.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
There are scriptures in certain versions of the Bible that
say that God is our wrap around shield.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Well, yes he does.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
He covers us. There's another benefit right there.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Benefits And I like that scripture. All right, thank you Jesus.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I can pray us out sure. All right, Father, we
thank you for this word, Lord, that you that you
spoke to us through your word.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
God.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
And Lord, we thank you for Abraham and his obedience
and his trust and his example for us. How he
created a nation for you, Lord, and how he continues
to show your glory God, because we see your glory
coming through in his life. And how he was willing
to lay down his son and give his only son
the thing that's closest to his heart, the thing that
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meant the most to him, Lord, because you ask him to.
And Lord, we know now that when we follow that
example God, no matter what circumstance, would ever look like. God.
But you are right there. You never leave us or
forsake us. Lord, that you give us something in its place. Lord,
you take the ashes and you bring beauty about. Lord,
you work everything out for our good God. And Lord,
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that covenant still stands. The covenant still stands, and our
sacrifice is Jesus, the perfect lamb that you gave us.
You gave us one hundred percent the thing that was
most valuable to you. Yes, to save us who are
also the most valuable to you. God. Is a beautiful covenant. Lord,
and thank you so much God that you've opened up
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a way for us to live and covenant with you
and to come into relationship with you. Lord. And I
just pray right now everybody who came tonight, Lord, that
you just bless them in the way that they needed
the most this week. God, I pray that this revelation
sinks in as a seed and begins to grow life
in their lives, to bring reconciliation and refreshment, and just
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this new measure of grace Lord just poured out upon them. Lord,
help them to feel your love this week. Help them
to show you love this week. Lord. And we just
thank you, Lord that you're always with us in Jesus' name. Amen, Amen,
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It's time to get started tonight. We're talking about worship
and relationship. Yeah, so we're gonna give you a little
taste here of the Word of God and we're going
to Genesis twenty two.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And I need a cough drop first, cham needs a
cough drop. So we had a women's worship night last
night and we might have got a little too loud. Yeah,
because my voice was shot today, which was super great.
It was great.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Where'd everybody go? Was it all kids in here. Wow.
It's nice knowing you guys. Okay, all right, So if
everybody's turned into Genesis twenty two, we're gonna talk about
Abraham and Isaac, the promise, the covenant, the sacrifice, the
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full surrender, the obedience. Yes, it's fantastic. It is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You know what I love about the word that every
time you crack it open, you get something.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
New out of it. Amen, every time. Yeah, it is
alive and active. It is wow. Amen, Praise God. Sorry,
go ahead me, No, I love it. We're supposed to
be doing this, okay, yeah, okay, so verse one. Sometime later,
God tested Abraham's faith. Abraham, God called, yes, he replied, here,
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I am take your son, your only son. Yes, Isaac,
whom you love so much.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Whom you love so much, hold on to that whom
you loved so much.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah. And he had waited a long time for Isaac. Yeah,
he had waited his whole entire life for Isaac. You're right,
because God had promised him a few chapters before this,
and it was a long time, going whom you love
so much and go to the land of Mariah, go
and sacrifice him as a burnt offering on one of
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the mountains, which I will show you. And God had
a habit with Abraham of saying i'll show you. Just
go and I'll show you.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
He shows us a lot of for looking getting attention. Yeah, truth, Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So then the next morning, this is the first three,
Abraham got up early. He saddled his donkey and took
two of his servants with him, along with his son Isaac.
Then he chopped with for fire for a burnt offering
is set out for the place God had told him about.
So the next morning, so Abraham was asked to take
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his only son that he had waited his entire life
for and put him on an altar and set it
afire and burnt him up.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And I have to point out, and Taylor pointed this
how a while ago, it's the burnt offering, that's the
all consuming fire. The whole thing gets sacrificed. It's everything.
He was about to lay his whole son, all of him,
down on that altar.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, come on, And then we see the next morning
Abraham got up early and settled the donkey. I don't
know if God would have come to me and said
for me to sacriface one of my kids. If the
next day I wouldn't be on the phone crying to
friends asking for prayer, asking God if there was another.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Way, if you know, can imagine?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Could you imagine that?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Wow? Yeah? Early next morning he settled up a donkey.
That was immediate obedience. And that's worship.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, it is. We talk about that all through our podcasts.
That worship, when it comes down to it, really is
obedience in every moment. It's obedience in a moment when
the Lord speaks, were obedient to his voice and what
he's asking?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Amen? Amen. Verse four. On the third day of their journey,
Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance.
Doesn't say how he felt, but he looked up and
saw the place in the distance. And verse five, stay
here with the donkey, Abraham told the servants, and I
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love this. Pay attention the boy and I will travel
a little further. We will worship there, and then we
will come right back.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Did Abraham know something?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Wow? Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you're familiar with
that story where Jesus put the aske the disciples to
cross the Sea of Galilee with him and he said,
we are going to the other side, and Jesus knew
that there was a demon possessed man over there, full
of a legion of demons. But he was so exhausted
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he had just I think, if I remember right, John
the Baptist had been killed. They delivered the news. He
went off on his own. The crowd followed him. He
couldn't go grief his cousin if that was what he
was doing. But he was definitely getting alone with the Lord.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Back in Genesis fifteen, the Lord spoke to Abraham. I
want to say, Moses. For some reason, I don't know
if we're on Abraham, Okay. The Lord spoke to Abraham
and said he would make him a father of a
multitude of nations. The Lord already spoke to Abraham, and
he promised him a son Isaac. He made a promise
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to him, and he even said, let me find it.
I will bless your wife. This is back in Genesis seventeen.
We don't need to go there Verse sixteen. I will
bless your wife, and she will become nations. Kings of
people will come from her. You shall call him Isaac.
I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting
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covenant for his offspring after him. See this came down
to a matter of covenant trust men, because he says,
we'll come back the boy and I will come back.
So did he know something? I feel like Abraham already
understood covenant and trust with the Lord. The Lord had
already provided for him prior to that. So many times
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he literally rescue a lot, He interceded for a lot,
and Sodom and Gomorrah. He saved Abraham from the house
of Pharaoh and then the house of a Bemelech. He
knew him as Jehovah Jirah. The Lord will provide, and
we'll get to that. But he already knew his God
because he had relationship with him, that he could bring
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his son in confidence before the Lord and know that
the Lord would take care of it. The Lord would provide. See,
a covenant is a solemn, binding agreement or relationship between
God and his people. It's binding, and I think Abraham
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had an understanding of that. He did he already established
covenant with Abraham beforehand. So now we're going to see
the Lord asking Abraham do you trust me? Are you King?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Meant putting his son on the altar, even if that's
that's really amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Do you think this is the same kind of confidence
like Abraham taking his son and setting up an altar
for a sacrifice and we get to read this yet,
but we're getting there. You think that's the same kind
of confidence that David had in the field, knowing the
Lord growing in relationship with him, that he could show
up to a battle line against the giant and be
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okay and see I come in the name of the
Lord of post.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Abraham was forged in that same connection. He was Yes,
he knew the Lord would provide because he knew him
as Jehovah Jarah provider.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes. And his purpose was to bring forth God's family,
the Hebrews, Israelites, the Jewish, yeah people. And so that
also kind of refers to there's an undertow of the grace.
Abraham was born to do that. So then Abraham was
empowered to do that by God's grace even in the
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Old Testament, which to me is amazing because everything that
he needed was inside of him somewhere, and God saw
that and recognize that, and he yes, yes, and he
made sure that he tended to that. You know, he
paid attention to that and when God said go, he went,
and what God said to do he did.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So, you know what else is very special and this
just proves that God is good. The Lord even provided
for Hagar and Ishmael. He did, which is the child
that Abraham had outside of the covenant. The Lord provided
for him and Hagar and Ishmael too. Yes, is not
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the Lord good?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
He is good?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Dude? Do we not see that in our own lives
when we produce something that the Lord says, don't do that,
that's not the promise. Yeah, he's still good and faithful.
Thank goodness for that man.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, kind of makes us feel better when we make
a mistake that we see how God deals with that
in the word, you know, okay? Verse six, So Abraham
placed the wood for the burnt offering on Isaac's shoulders.
Wood on the shoulders. Where have we seen that?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That sounds familiar, that he would lay the wood on Isaac.
And this this literally did make me think of Jesus
and the cross, because Jesus carries the cross, and we
get this so confused. We think Jesus carrying the cross
was just we hear that right, We're supposed to carry
our cross, and we make it about carrying our own burdens, like, oh,
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carrying our burdens, you know. But in that culture, in
Roman culture, if you were carrying a cross on your back,
the people knew that you were walking unto your death.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You were bearing death.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
On your back. Yeah, and that's what Jesus did, right,
He carried his cross up onto that hill. And here's
Isaac bearing death on his back. Once again. He laid
wood upon his son, Isaac. And you'll see the tables
turn here soon.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah. A lot of things in the Old Testament are
shadows of the things that take place in the New Testament.
And I think this next little phrase too. While he
himself carried the fire and the knife, so wow, Isaac
was burying the wood for his own sacrifice of him.
Abraham was walking beside him, carrying the fire and the knife,
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and the two of them walked on together. God never
leaves us or forsake SSS. So ever, even when we're
carrying our cross, he's right there. When Jesus carried his cross,
he was right there. Isaac turned to Abraham and said, father, yes,
my son. Abraham replied, we have the fire in the wood.
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The boy said, but where's the sheep for the burnt offering.
God will provide a sheep for the burnt offering, my son,
Abraham answered, and they both walked on together. And Champ
and I were talking this over earlier, getting organized and
things like that, and I said, you know, he didn't
run off crying, He didn't throw it down and have
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a tantrum or anything like that. They walked on together.
And that shows a great father son relationship right there
between Abraham and Isaac, and the whole general thing too,
where he was passing on to Isaac no matter what
God says, even to the point where you know, we're
going somewhere, and if God doesn't provide the sacrifice, you
see me with the fire and a knife. You see
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there's wood on your back. You see there's no sacrifice.
And are you willing, Isaac to do as I ask
you to do? One, to follow what the Lord is
commanding me to do. And Isaac and he just walked
on together. That's what the Bible says. When they arrived
at the place where God had told him to go,
Abraham and arranged the wood on it. Then he tied
his son Isaac and laid him on the altar on
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top of the wood, and Abraham picked up the knife
to kill his son as a sacrifice, and at that moment,
the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven. Abraham, Abraham,
when the Lord calls your name twice, it's pay attention.
This is really important. I want to make sure you're
focused on me. Yes, Abraham replied, here, I am sorry.
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You have to skip down a little bit. Don't lay
a hand on the boy. The angel said, do not
hurt him in any way. For now I know that
you truly fear God. You have not withheld from me,
even your son, your only son. He was giving everything
in that moment. Yeah, was giving everything in that moment.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
In a way, if you think about it, Abraham himself
was laying his life down there. Yeah, because it was
his son, his own flesh, his own it was it
was the air.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It was the blessing, the inheritance.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
He was laying his own life down, his own flesh,
down there before the Lord.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, Greater love has no man than this. Right, they
lay down their life for another man.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And if Isaac died in that moment, it looked like
the Covenant would die too.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I mean, there's always that chance maybe it would have
another one or change things around with Ishmael or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But he already gave him the name eyes Isaac.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, yes, he was part of that covenant. Yeah, I
will certainly bless you. I will multiply your descendants beyond number,
like the stars in the sky and the sand on
the seashore. Your descendants will conquer the cities of their enemies.
So in that moment, after that obedience, that true obedience,
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and that heart, that complete heart for God, and he
was willing to go through that for God. God right there,
re emphasize that covenant with him, word for word. This
is what I had told you, and this is what's
going to happen. Are you gonna comment?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
No, I'm just stuck on that. Now I know that
you fear God. Yeah, now I know that you fear God.
The Lord wants to know that we won't place anything
in between him and us, not even the promise, Isaac
was a promise, yes, And a lot of times we
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place the promise in between us and the Lord. And
he's saying, no, no thing gets to come into this
sacred place in which you're called to abide. And that's
really what Fearing the Lord is all about. It's reverence.
It's respect that you placed no other thing before him
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other than your own flesh. Yeah, I went off on earlier,
but it's really interesting to me. So if you like
interesting things, I'm gonna share it. Did you know that
there's a wood offering in the Bible. It's in Nehemiah.
So they would gather the wood and they would keep
it what's dacked, stalked, so that the fire would never
go out, continually continual fire. It was fuel and it
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represented devotion, and they were bringing the fire always ready
for the sacrifices.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
So you know what Abraham showed up with the wood.
He was devoted. He's saying, Lord, I'm in this, I'm
in this, and I think right then and there the
Lord knew, like, okay, he's devoted to me. And then
we see the atonement. M you know, something else was
provided in its place. Yes, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
The Neighbraham looked up and saw a ram caught by
its horns in a thicket. So he took the ram
and sacrificed it as a burnt offering in place of
his son God provided I'm thinking about fearing God too.
I was gonna little insert a little something, and I
just stuck there fearing God, the awesomeness of God, putting
(16:32):
God so high and lifted up that everything else you
wouldn't You wouldn't even think about fearing something else before
you would fear him. Does that make sense? Yeah, so
you're you're fearing God so much that nothing else could
even compare to that. Yeah, He's He's so much awesomeness
when you focus on him and you come into that
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relationship with him, that everything else seemed so small. And
I know that he can draw us to that place.
You know, it's just a matter of moment by moment,
step by step, continuing to just come into his presence
and continually just pouring yourself out to him that continues
offering like here I am again, Here I am again.
(17:15):
I'm giving this up for you. I'm laying this down
for you because you're bigger. You're bigger than the situation,
You're bigger than everything. You are God, You're an awesome God.
You created everything that we know, and you do everything perfectly,
and you love in this tremendous, pure one hundred percent.
There's nothing but love in you. You know, it kind
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of makes everything else just.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And he desires that relationship with us. It is I mean,
how many times do we see the Lord people out
of something into something and it's always relationship calling them
out of Egypt, Pharaoh, let my people go so that
my people may worship me. He called them out of
their own hometowns, from their own families because he knew
(18:00):
that there was a hindrance to worship, but they couldn't
worship him fully. So he's asking us to lay those
things down. I'm calling you out of something into something.
It's relationship. Yeah, we're called to abide in his love. Yeah,
remain stay there because apart from it, we can do
what nothing. We gain nothing, he said, Abide stay under
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the cloud even when the sun looks so warm and
tempting and inviting. Or stay under the fire by night
even though the heat feels unbearable.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, that's trust.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Worship relationship is built on mutual trust. Any good relationship
is built on mutual trust.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Right, right, and yielding and honoring.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And that's where faithfulness comes in. Yeah, when the Lord
says I'll do something, will you stand and belief that
I'll do He wants to know that we trust him,
and man, oh Lord, we trust you. You're so good,
You're so good.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And that comes step by step two. It's saying yes
and being obedient and watching what happens, and then he
comes through. And then the next time something happens, you're
trusting and you're obedient, and he comes through, and so
he shows you. He again. It comes back to that
empowering grace. He shows you all the time if you
just trust me, and a lot of times it can
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come down to that very very very last minute and
then boom, he comes through. And then it builds you
up for the next time, and you just get closer
and closer and closer. And Abraham named that place yahweh
yairas is what my word says, yes Jehovah jirah, which
means the Lord will provide. And to this day people
(19:51):
still use that name as a proverb. On the mountain
of the Lord, it will be provided, yep, amen man.
Then the Angel of the Lord called again to Abraham
from heaven. This is what the Lord says, because you
have obeyed me and have not withheld even your son,
your only son, is a name that I will certainly
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bless you. I will multiply your descendants beyond number, like
the stars in the sky and the sand on the seashore.
Your descendants will conquer the city's other enemies, and through
your descendants, all the nations of the earth will be blessed,
all because you have obeyed me. That's all he wanted.
(20:37):
It's all he wanted was obedience.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I mean, we can fight it out in the garden
of Casemone all we want. Lord, lets us cut pass,
but you always have to remember. But nevertheless, if it's
not going to pass, let your will be done. Let
your will be done. And then going through without obedience
every single time, every single time, because he knows what's
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best for us and us meaning us and him and
the rest of creation, because he works everything out for
the good and he wants us to be in unity
and love, and so he somehow manages to do the
right thing regardless of our little things that we do,
our quirks are sometimes will drag your feet or something
(21:23):
like that. But what he wants is obedience. Yeah, yeah,
And because of that, he just once again, you know,
reiterated that covenant again, like let's just tell you one
more time, these are the benefits on one of three,
one or two or three. Bless the Lord O my soul,
and forgetting not all his benefits, yea, these are the Okay,
(21:44):
you get the God of the universe. I feel like,
you know, if I run one of those you know,
prices right or something, you get his You know, you
get his love, you get his presence. You know your
enemies will turn on each other if you praise him.
I sat down in my Bible study and I started
writing five star reviews. I just took the scripture socks reading.
(22:07):
And then once I got started with it, I started
flipping through and I'm like, oh, five star review, Second Chronicles,
twenty oh five star review. You know, Jesus came out
of the grave, So sorry, I go there. You're good.
You're good, But you're gonna find a lot of five
star reviews in the word. You are for sure if
we'll be blessed all because you obeyed me. How would
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you like to stand in the presence of God someday
and have him look at you and say, you know, hey,
I'll use Champ. Champ, let me find that scripture one
more time, Champ, all the nations of the Earth will
be blessed all because you obeyed me.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Wow, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
That's powerful because everything that we do does affect so many. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Can I just say something like Andy shared something with
us the other day that the podcast that we we
think so near sighted sometimes, but you said there was
people from other countries listening. That's to the nations, just
in this little town of Brookville. Reach the nations. Now,
isn't that really cool?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
We don't got to walk there anymore. You know, the
disciples they had to walk everywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
True. Yeah, we just can click a button while Andy does.
I'm sorry, Andy, he does more than just click a button,
but you know what I mean. Technology has made it
so easy to reach them. But will you do it?
Will you speak on his behalf? Will you know him
and make him known? And while we're talking about relationship,
and since this is foreshadowing Christ, can we talk about
(23:37):
Christ for a minute. Because he was obedient unto what
death and we receive the ministry of reconciliation, let's talk
about relationship there. Yeah, now we can come into his nearness,
it's his closeness. Yeah, we get to abide in him.
(23:59):
We get to seek his face. Do you know what
face means?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
We get to abide in his presence. Yeah. All he
wants is a relationship with us. It's all about to
know him and make him known. Yeah, you do you
understand that, Like we receive the ministry of reconciliation, which
(24:28):
means all those things that we've done, if we just
ask for forgiveness, it's forgiven a man he said it
on the cross, it is finished. The very cross that
he bore on his back, he bore death on his back.
It is finished.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So now we get to come into relationship with him.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And when we're in relationship with him, our other relationships thrive. Right,
My marriage thrives now when we're obedient to Christ first. Yeah,
and you know what we're created for relationship, Yes, we are.
Adam was told it's not good for man to be alone,
(25:16):
so you give him helper.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Suitable, which as a helper, a helper suitable, isn't that awesome?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Suitable?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You're suitable? Yeah, that should be in the wedding vows. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I will be suitable for you.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And then Adam and Eve walked with God in the
garden in the cool of the day. They got to
abide in the garden and guess what we get to
abide there too, in his presence.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Right, that's right, reconciliation right there. God can't help himself
and all that he does. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
All throughout the Bible we see relationships, everything being go
on relationships because we see the tribes in the priesthoods
dwelling together. Right, all the priests, the levites were actually families.
It went down from the fathers to the sons. Hey,
guess what, We're one big family a priest. Yeah, isn't
(26:18):
that cool? Let me see friendships. We see Jonathan and David,
and then we see deston relationships like Ruth and Naomi
or Ruth and boas we see them over and over again,
Esther and the King. Those are destined relationships. If those
(26:40):
had not happened, we wouldn't have got to Jesus, God
went ahead and figured it all out way before we could,
before they could. That's what's awesome.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And we talked about earlier, between you and my, short
term relationships that made a difference in history. Whenever, oh,
my mind just went blank. Why is that happening? The
one who helped the spies help me out rehab rehab,
help the spies in the moment when they came into Jericho,
she hid them. That was a short term relationship, Tamar.
(27:15):
That's when I was trying to think of, Yes, that
relationship with when she pretended that she was a prostitute,
and then with Judah too, and then that short term
relationship seemed like it was all wrong, but it produced
an air yeah for Judah. And we know that Christ
came from Judah. So there's like those types of relationships too,
(27:36):
all the way through the word.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Absolutely and then what's really cool? And we can apply
this to our lives today because I don't know about you, guys.
And I said this to Serena just last night. I'm
not about surface relationships. I don't know about you guys,
but I'm not about the surface relationships. I actually want
to know you and I want to know your name
(27:58):
if I can look at your I want to know
that you're Derek and you're Brandon.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I want to know people. And that's what the Act's
church was. What did they do together? Everything? They broke
bread together, they prayed together, they went to the temple together,
all things in common that.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
When you go into covenant as a family, everything that's
mine is yours and everything that's yours is mine. So
you come into the family of God and acts had
that down. The people in as had that down. You know,
the stories of them meeting together like that everything belonged
to basically each other in the ministry and they were
able to as one unit, be able to spread that
(28:46):
word throughout the regions because there was really nothing hold
them back. Once they unified, there was just no stopping.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And you know, it's really cool when God's people come together,
like when God's come when we come together and one
we can't help but worship, right, we can't help it.
It's hard for Taylor and I to get together and
just sit down and talk about things of the world.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
We just can't.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, man, it's hard when we gather, it's hard not
to worship. And there he is in our mits where
two or three are gathered. There he is in our mits, right. Yeah,
he wants to be in relationship with us. We don't
just sit in my living room and play ping pong
with the Bible.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
There he is sitting playing too. Honestly, he wants.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Friendship with us. We make it so sometimes I feel
like we just want to stay behind the veil. Ouch,
that's hard, but you know what I mean. Yeah, I
had a vision of a bride one time. You know,
the bridegroom took the veil off, put it behind her head,
(29:55):
and now she went to walk down the aisle, she
put it back on. Sometimes in our relationships, we live
behind the veil when he's like, no, I took it off,
I tore it. You can come near to me, you
can draw near to me. Yeah, sorry, I told you
have tangent.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
That's why we're here.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
God tends to rip that veil, so yeah, can't be
on the veil anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
No, come out, all right.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
So we were at the end of the Genesis twenty two.
Do you everything else in there?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I do?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Mind went a different direction, So I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Know what do you got.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I was just I told you no, I was just
talking about different kind of relationship. But I love the
way that we went, you know, I just okay, I'm
trying to think how to kind of insert this. But
some of the things that I had and here was
just kind of different ways to build a relationship with God.
(31:03):
We know, we can get the word out, we can
sing worship and those types of things, but there are
little things that you can do. Worship to me also
is you know when you first meet and you're dating
and you want to be together all the time, and
you just talk talk talk, talk, talk talk, and you
find out everything that you can about each other, and
(31:25):
then you get married and it's like like what else
is there to learn? And there are things you do
grow together and that's really really cool. But worship to
me is like returning to the dating zone with God,
Like what can I get to know about you? Let's talk,
let's talk, Let's spend all of our time together. What
can I tell you about me? How can we build
our relationship? And in doing that, as I was drawing
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closer and closer to God, because I have a testimoney too.
But as I was coming back to God and drawing
closer to God, there was this little game that we
played and one day I was just always singing to
God because I'm a singer and I'm a worshiper, so
I tend to go to God with music and I'm
singing away, singing away, and I can't remember if it
was morning or night, but there was a pause and
(32:11):
I was like, you know what, it's your turn. Give
me a song. I'm pretty sure it was evening anyway.
So I woke up the next morning with a song
on my mind, my girl. I'm like, what is that?
I had to look it up and song is a
secular song, but it's you know, my girl, my girl,
my girl, talking about my girl. And when I listened
(32:32):
to it, it just brought me to tears, and I
realized I remembered and I a journal, Lord, give me
a song. And he woke me up with that song,
singing to me, my girl, my girl, and it just
meant so much, you know. And then there was a
time I woke up and he was there's an old
chorus he dances over us with joy, and it's also
a scripture I believe Zachariah. So we played this little
(32:55):
game back and forth as if I was dating him,
you know, and I would a song, and then the
next day or the next morning, he would give me
a song. It was just incredible, So you know, with
God too, I mean, that was really fun for me.
It was really fun for me. There's you can kind
of go through life sowing seeds. And that doesn't just
(33:16):
mean money dropping money everywhere, but just sowing a seed like, okay,
you know, sow a smile or a hug or something
like that, or sew some money and then you know,
just pay attention and you'll see it where God will
just multiply it and then it'll come back and you'll
be like, wow, that's amazing. Maybe I need a hug
today and you'll get ten. It's like okay, okay. So
(33:37):
he is so real and has so much fun with us,
and it's his pleasure and his will to be with
us and make that relationship and to love on us
that he actually will come to us in little ways
like that. And I don't know, I just felt kind
of led to like share that because people put him
in a place where I have to go to a
church building where I have to kneel beside my bed
(33:58):
or I have to read the Bible through every single year,
and you can and that's beautiful. But there are other
ways too. You can meet him on your level and
it could be fun and exciting that way. Absolutely absolutely
kind of throwing that in there.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
No, that's good, you got any more of those?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Might bet on that one? Okay, are you ready to
wrap up?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Well? I just want to finish out with what is
any good relationship take its intimacy abiding in the secret place. Yes,
you know, all throughout the Bible, I found something really
really in common with any time that intimacy was mentioned,
there was two things, leave and cleave. Leave and cleave.
(34:45):
Do you see Abraham was pulled out of his from
his family so that he could cleave to the Lord.
In a marriage where told that the husband would leave
the mother and the father so that he could cling
to his wife. And I feel like this is where
we need to be in the secret place. We need
to leave the things of the world behind because guess what,
(35:09):
it's baggage, And it's baggage that we're trying to pick
up and take with us into our relationship with the
Lord when he's just asking us to lay it at
his feet. And it's baggage that we're taking into our
relationships in the future. You know, past friendships that didn't
go so well. We've got to leave that stuff behind.
(35:31):
Leave so we can cleave to the good, good friendships.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Those of us that were married before.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
We've got to leave that so that we can cleave
to what God is bringing into our lives. And when
it comes down to it, we can't bring an Ishmael
to the altar in place of an Isaac, right a man, Yep, yeah, wow,
we can't bring an Ishmael to the altar in place
(36:00):
of an Isaac. The things that we think we should
be placing before the Lord, when he's just asking for us,
our flesh, the thing we don't really want to give
up sometimes, right, But that's just what he's asking. That
we'd be wholly his Nothing would be in between us,
(36:21):
not even the promise, right, because I am my beloved
and he is mine, right, And that's what it's all about.
That's why we're created. We are created for a relationship
with the Lord, to live in his closeness, his nearness,
and we can draw near with confidence. And I feel
(36:44):
like if we just grab hold of this again, all
of our relationships would thrive. Relationship with the Lord is
of utmost importance because everywhere we go, every thing we
say to every person, every person we in counter every
single day, it's going to make a difference if we
had abided in the secret place.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
You know, if God can call you a friend, what
do you think about your friends? You know, if if
you need something, you can call on them and they're there.
You know, no questions. Ask you got a flat three
in the morning and call me. I'll be there, you know.
I like brain things sound a practical level too. But yeah,
anything that God needed or wanted Neighbraham was, he was there,
(37:27):
did it no matter what the cost is, what it
comes down to, it's uh, it's definitely a cross, you know, Yeah,
because everything has to be You have to drain yourself
and get rid of everything and anything that would be
a God before him yep, so that he can flow.
And God is so pure that he cannot he cannot
(37:51):
hang out with sin. So if we choose him first,
and we fear him and we obey him, and we
trust him above everything out, I'll put him on that
level and make him lord and we are no longer lord,
We're no longer part of it. He can function one
hundred percent fully and purely in that situation. And that's
(38:12):
when you see, like that verse Andy shared where the
enemy turned on itself. Yeah, why because they put him
first though, if you read Second Chronicles twenty again later
on on your own and just meditate on it, they
put him first in everything, absolutely everything in that chapter,
and he was able to move so quickly, because nobody
(38:33):
stepped in and said, oh, I think I'll be lord
of this section. Okay, you take steps one through five. God,
I'm gonna do step six, and then you could do seven, eight, nine, ten.
It was all about God. Their focus was completely on God,
and they were even saying, if you don't act, we
don't know what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
When we raise the shield of faith, Let's think of
our armor for a minute. We raise the shield of faith,
like we have all these tools the armor of God,
yet do we use them. When we raise the shield
of faith, he's literally protecting us and deflecting those fiery
flames of the enemy, because you know what confusion in
(39:14):
the camp is. A lot of times they would shoot
arrows into the enemy's camp to cause confusion, mass chaos,
to get them more worried about putting out the flames
that were happening in their camp so they could overtake them.
So if we raise that shield of faith and we
trust in the Lord and meet him where he's at,
he protects and he deflects.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
There are scriptures in certain versions of the Bible that
say that God is our wrap around shield.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Well, yes he does.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
He covers us. There's another benefit right there.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Benefits And I like that scripture. All right, thank you Jesus.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I can pray us out sure. All right, Father, we
thank you for this word, Lord, that you that you
spoke to us through your word.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
God.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
And Lord, we thank you for Abraham and his obedience
and his trust and his example for us. How he
created a nation for you, Lord, and how he continues
to show your glory God, because we see your glory
coming through in his life. And how he was willing
to lay down his son and give his only son
the thing that's closest to his heart, the thing that
(40:28):
meant the most to him, Lord, because you ask him to.
And Lord, we know now that when we follow that
example God, no matter what circumstance, would ever look like. God.
But you are right there. You never leave us or
forsake us. Lord, that you give us something in its place. Lord,
you take the ashes and you bring beauty about. Lord,
you work everything out for our good God. And Lord,
(40:48):
that covenant still stands. The covenant still stands, and our
sacrifice is Jesus, the perfect lamb that you gave us.
You gave us one hundred percent the thing that was
most valuable to you. Yes, to save us who are
also the most valuable to you. God. Is a beautiful covenant. Lord,
and thank you so much God that you've opened up
(41:11):
a way for us to live and covenant with you
and to come into relationship with you. Lord. And I
just pray right now everybody who came tonight, Lord, that
you just bless them in the way that they needed
the most this week. God, I pray that this revelation
sinks in as a seed and begins to grow life
in their lives, to bring reconciliation and refreshment, and just
(41:33):
this new measure of grace Lord just poured out upon them. Lord,
help them to feel your love this week. Help them
to show you love this week. Lord. And we just
thank you, Lord that you're always with us in Jesus' name. Amen, Amen,
thank you for joining in with us today. I hope
you felt right at home as you enjoy this. Please
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you have a purpose. Have a super blessed day and
get out there and worship the Lord with everything you've got. Amen,
looking forward to our next conversation. Be blessed, Bye for now,
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