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June 16, 2025 19 mins
It’s all about the Israel-Iran conflict in the special edition of Carnivore Bites.
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
Welcome to another edition of Carnivor Bite, a special edition
of Carnivor Bites. I'm your host, Jeff Sherman, along with
the Esteem Doctor Eric Klopkin, and I'm going to throw
it out to you. Obviously, we're focused on the events
in the Middle East. The Israeli attack on the one
day after the negotiation timeline lapsed, their strike on Iran.

(01:25):
Just run with it. Anything that comes to mind, any
of your analysis, let it rip.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, the attacks have been ongoing in both directions. Iran
is retaliating against Israel. In fact, I was on a
briefing call with the American Jewish Congress on Friday, and
one of the people giving us the information told us

(01:53):
point blank she may have to jump off the call
and go into a bomb shelter. Where Israel is being
a lot more targeted than Iran. Is Israel is focusing
on nuclear facilities, on military facilities, taking out Iran's missiles.

(02:17):
Iran is being a lot less discriminating, and we've had
Israeli civilians killed, Israeli civilian areas hit, so they don't
really care where they're hitting. The big thing I think
we need to pay attention to is how Israel did this,
because the first wave of drones that Israel unleashed on

(02:43):
Iran came from within Iran. Massad started infiltrating Iran almost
two years ago in preparation for this. So this is
not a quick, oh well, we have to do this now.
This was meticulously planned. And it's not a coincidence that

(03:08):
Donald Trump told Iran you have sixty days to negotiate
with us, and on day sixty one, Israel bomb the
hell out.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Of them, no question about it. And there's a bigger
issue not only the masads meticulous planning, but experts who
have real knowledge of this area. There is no denying
that to have that happen, that is the drones in
the middle of Iran. They need inside help. Why do

(03:38):
I bring that up because as we speak, the headlines
on many internet news sites are there's a traffic jam
in Iran for people leaving okay? And what it also
and I'd like your opinion our listeners would as well.
I think it points leaving is leaving okay, but I
think leaving is more an abandonment of the regime. I

(04:00):
think it's also people now assisting the Israelis and net
Yahoo has a net positive in terms of opinion in Iran.
Is it circling the drain time for the Mullas. That's
the bigger issue.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
We hope. So now, over the past several months, there
have been indications that the Mullas are losing their grip
on the country. There was a trucker strike. There have
been worker strikes in the past. These never happened, or
if they did, they were shut down quickly. So you

(04:38):
are seeing the dissatisfaction of the Iranian people now, as
the American Jewish Congress brought up we've seen signs of
regime change before and unfortunately they have all fallen apart
in the past as the Mullas turned their military ability,

(05:00):
these on their own people. So if Israel can take
out enough of their military capabilities, and they have already eliminated,
I believe all of the Revolutionary Guard leadership. I mean,
there may be one or two left.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
But it's a job you don't want to sign up for.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, they decimated the Revolutionary Guard, which gives an opportunity
to the Iranian people to actually take their country back.
And Netanyahu gave a speech on Friday evening aimed at
the Iranian people, saying, we have your back, this is

(05:44):
your time.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yes. I think also the regime was getting weaker. I
summat a nuance, kind of split in hairs. I think
the regime is closer to extinction than you may suggest.
One of the reasons, not the only, is when the
Arab spring, I believe that was twenty ten, close enough, right,

(06:09):
you had Obama, who was incapable of any strategic thinking
in charge. Why do I bring it up because I
think with Trump, any kind of move towards regime change
I believe will be orchestrated correctly and supported correctly. And
I also think it's comical because no one got hurt,

(06:31):
but they had just like Walter Cronkite the ABC News,
they had the news update in Iran. Had to be
done on purpose and timed that they're giving the news
and the station gets hit. Why is that important Besides
the comical aspect, it's because the erosion of confidence your thoughts,

(06:54):
doctor Lopkin, Like we are these people are not in control.
They are not tough, not as strong, not as competent
as we were led to believe. Your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, the only reason for an attack on a media
location is to send a message, and in this case,
the message is we can hit whatever we want. Remember,
this is not Israel's first attack on Iran. They decimated

(07:26):
Irane's air defenses only a few months ago, and while
Iran has been rebuilding, they are not rebuilt yet. So
between the damage done then and the initial drone attack
done on Friday, Israel essentially controls the Iranian skies.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yes they do. But the issue, the under a big
underlying issue besides the military aspect, is the emotional aspect.
When you have you lose faith in your government when
they're not in control, and the only thing that kept
the Iranian populist in check was the either false impression

(08:15):
or correct that the government was firmly in control. I
think I see I smell regime change because that is
no longer the case. And we can cite what you've
You've talked about the drones in the middle of Iran.
I mean think of this as the United States and
they're launching drones from Texas. CBS News is getting bombs. Uh,

(08:37):
the enemy has complete control of the skies. How much
confidence are you going to have in the government? Not much?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Well, I think you're missing something though, and that the
Iranian people didn't have confidence in their government to begin with.
The Iranian government isn't in power because the people had
confidence in them. They're in power were because they threatened
the populace.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Okay, I think you misunderstanding what I mean by hold on.
What I mean by confidence. I don't mean that they
were in love with them, but they believed them to
be competent and powerful, which scared the populace. No, I
never thought that they were in love with them.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Remember after the last Israeli attack where they took out
the airm defenses, we saw graffiti going up all over
Iran that actually said in Arabic we stand with Israel.
So this has been going on for a long time.

(09:40):
This may be the tipping point.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I think.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
The other crucial point in all of this is that
you no longer have the Biden administration funneling money to Iran.
Trump cut that off. So by cutting them off, Trump,
you know, Trump off their finances. The Israelis, with American help,

(10:06):
took out the whu Thi's which is an Iranian proxy.
The Israelis pretty much without much of our help, took
out Hezbollah and Hamas, so Iran can no longer rely
on their proxies to help them. This is a historic

(10:27):
weak point for the Iranian government.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
No question. I think it's also a realignment of the
Middle East. I think without the cancer of Iran, I
think the Abraham Cords will be moving ahead after the
Gaza situation is solved to some degree. Either. One more
military aspect before we talk about other things in closing,
is that now one third of Iranian's missile capacity is

(10:56):
now could put and you can see and this is
not my doing or analysis, is an expert analysis, that
these strikes at first were pretty pin Now they're just
firing aimlessly. Maybe they're using older missiles. Second line, that's
not really important. The point is one third's already. They

(11:16):
don't have a lot of a lot more time to
be screwing around. And I think for me, the more
important issue is where do we go forward? And I
think this is monumental. When you have Syria allowing Israel
to launch trade and to land in their airspace on
their fields, that is suggests more than a minor realignment.

(11:40):
Your thoughts, doctor Welkin.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
The Syria thing is major. We saw Syria over overthrow
the Iranian back to government also just a few months ago,
so now they certainly don't want Iran coming back to
try to retake the country. So this is I mean,
I'm not saying that Syria is going to be Israel's

(12:04):
best friend by any stretch of the imagination.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Well, well I agree, No, I know, well I agree
with you, but having them land, being allowed to with
the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I don't
guess a realignment, Yes, you know, I'm not Pollyannic, And
I guess the last thing I would like to ask you,
doctor Lopkin, is now there's talk that Putin wants to

(12:29):
get involved, and Trump is not putting cold water. I'm
not so sure that's all that bad a way to
him to have a way out back in the I
wouldn't say good graces, but at least in the international fold,
that's I think there's worse things that could happen. I wouldn't.
I mean, I'm not gonna wholeheartedly blindly trust the guy. No,

(12:52):
but you know it's something. I mean, we need to
move off this war footing is my thought, right.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I mean, Putin needs Iran to survive this because Iran
is their main source of weapons at this point for
their war against Ukraine. So if Iran falls Russia, Putin's
war in Ukraine is in deep trouble. Also, you have

(13:18):
to understand the true capabilities of the Israeli military and massade.
Trump actually stepped in and told them not to take
out the Iranian Ayatola. Now this way, when.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
When you do that, I think that's a mistake. Why
did he do that? Doctor Lopkins, I'm sort of split
on that.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Part of me thinks it's a mistake, but part of
me thinks if they do kill him, there is the
possibility of his becoming a martyr, which is big in
the Middle East, So going you're going to see all
sorts of other terrorists groups suddenly been together, you know,

(14:03):
for Iran, where at this point they're staying out of it.
But the point I want to make is Israel would not
have even brought this possibility up if they didn't have
the capability of doing it. That is how precise and
how embedded Massad is within Iran.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Now let me ask you are a bigger geopolitical question
because you are the doctor. I say this sense shivers
down China's spine. How do you like that? I mean,
Israel is obviously a I know they're you know, special
expertise and many things, but the weaponry is ours. And

(14:48):
it's kind of a dispoint man against boy, isn't it? Yes,
Israel against Iran.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
China is worried about this.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I mean, remember should be.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
It wasn't that long ago that Trump started talking about
the Golden Dome, which would protect America from China's hypersonic missiles,
and of course China, Russia, and Iran were the largest
voices complaining about the possibility of America having a defense

(15:21):
that is essentially based on what we did on a
smaller scale in Israel. So China is also heavily involved
with Russia right now, and not necessarily in an alliance,
because now stories are coming out that China is rounding

(15:42):
up Russian spies within its borders where they do have
a mutual defense agreement. So if Russia suddenly falls, they
and they have spies in China, Russia can then cut
to the US and say, look, we'll trade you intelligence

(16:05):
on China, you know, you know, for help bailing us
out of our economic disaster. And Russia is in a
complete economic meltdown right now. Their entire economy is dependent
on their war in Ukraine. And if suddenly they can't
get weapons from Iran for the war in Ukraine, that's

(16:29):
gonna fall apart. So yeah, this is this is actually
we've talked about the stupidity back in the seventies of
the Domino theory, but we're actually seeing a potential Domino
reaction on this.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
The faullifier done. That's why you are the doctor. The
doctor correct, they're gonna be you know, so teachers are
gonna say Domino one didn't quite work out, but then
you head Domino two fifty something years later would agree, right,
The fall.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Of the fall of Iran can weaken Russia to the
point that their war in Ukraine can fall apart, and
they'll have to start suing for peace, which in turn
is going to weaken China.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Now I have one final question for the Doctor and
for our listeners domestically, where is all our great Jewish leaders,
Chucky Bloomenthal Raskin I hear crickets. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It was very disappointing that, despite overwhelming support from the
US government on both sides of the Isle, Jewish leaders
in Congress were actually silent. Rather than issuing statements, they

(17:53):
were busy at a wedding in the Hampton's where Anthony
Weiner's ex wife was marrying George Soros's son.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
And anti Israeli, an anti Semitic individual. Yes, well done
for our Jewish leaders.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yes, and this is where they were rather than issuing
support for Israel.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Doctor lockin great special edition. We'll see you in not
this coming Wednesday, but next Wednesday. And our listeners can
be active members of this process, can't they. Doctor.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
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(18:55):
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Speaker 2 (19:01):
Thank you, doctor Lopkin.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
We'll see you next time.
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