October 26, 2025 • 48 mins
In this week's episode, we get you ready for Halloween. We discuss ghosts, spectres, and the parnormal from around South Carolina, complete with headless horsemen, creepy graveyards, unrequited love, and an unconcious preacher!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
For over three hundred and fifty years, the state of
South Carolina has been the setting for some of the
most horrendous crimes ever committed. Some have gained global notoriety,
some have been forgotten, and others have been swept under
the rug completely. Now, two South Carolina natives and true
(00:25):
crime enthusiasts have teamed up to examine these heinous acts
in detail, giving their perspective of the evil that has
resided in the Palmetto State. You're listening to Carolina Crimes.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And welcome back to Carolina Crimes episode two forty five.
I'm one of your hosts, Matt Hyers.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Along with Danielle Myers, and we're over.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
The moon thrilled that you joined us here for this
special Halloween episode, episode two forty five. Oh man, thank
y'all so much for your feedback from last week's episode.
We appreciate you all weighing in on that one. That
was uh, it was different. I got a lot of
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shout outs, we got to give to a lot of
thanks people that commented very weird case. I even got
a comment in person yesterday. Oh really yes, by Steve Roberts,
longtime listener. We were at a public event, and he
told me, he said, well, according to this guy right here,
Matt Hires, he said, never fight a naked man. I said, yeah,
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you'll always lose one way or another.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
So he at least sound advice.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think, yeah, I've always said that, but no, never
been in that situation. But I got to think that
would be pretty dicey. But certainly that episode, it hits
a certain way dehumanizing other people's that doesn't sit well
with me and the jury's verdict. And I think in
today's society, the more we've learned, the more we've started
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accept other lifestyles that that would be. I mean, there
would be a much different version.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I think so too.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yes, yes, but an interesting one. I'm glad you presented
that one, and you're going to go again today. This
is one of your favorite seasons. Yes, you've already celebrated
Halloween a little bit with our boy Chris. Yes, and
y'all you said you watched the Conjuring.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The new one for very good, had some played clue
and had some like Halloween themed like food and stuff
such as a coottle thing we do every year instead
of doing all out Halloween party.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
We're getting too old for that.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So really you get too old for that, all right?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well yeah, but we did the spooky stuff last year
and a lot of people liked it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh yeah here on the show.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yes, and so I was, you know, thinking, we've got
Halloween coming up, so why not.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, it's always coming to do that again and cleanse
the palette a little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah. And then most hauntings do they do come about
or tales of hauntings due to a vicious crime or death.
So that's where it fits into the podcast. We're still
staying on genre. Yeah, still staying on topic. But we
wanted to wanted to bring you something special today and
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you're going to go into quite a few from around
the state of South Carolina. Yes, very special. Thank yous
and shout outs. I know we usually do them at
the end of the show, but again, thank you for
coming up to me. Steve Claire and Madison Roberts. Was great,
first time I ever met Madison. But just outstanding people.
Outstanding people. They were at a craft fair and they
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happened to roll over into Boo ha ha. It's a
citywide festival put on by the radio station and I
was out there working most of the day yesterday, So
that's why my little horse and my face is very sunburned.
And a nice time was had by all. A couple
of thousand children coming out there getting some free safe candy.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Just a little bit huh.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yes, also Ron and Landon Black longtime listeners and supporters
of the show. Big congratulations to Landing and the Miracle
League team of rock Hill, South Carolina. They defeated Charlotte
in the Battle of the Carolinas last week. I had
the privilege of being their PA announcer. I was just
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a fill in pinch hitter there and these young people
they went out is the competitive league beat Charlotte and Landing.
He did a great job. That's my dog there.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I saw your post and I was like, that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, it was. It was and also special. Thank you
for listening to the show, longtime listeners, and this is
at bequest of my wife. I would I'd love to
meet these folks someday. But friend Hugh Gray at a Newberry,
thank you so much. Yes, yes, we appreciate you listening.
Fran a longtime listener and she just got Hugh on
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the bandwagon, so welcome Hugh. Yes, yes, a few, uh,
just housekeeping items we need to talk about before we
get started into the spooky stuff this episode. If you're
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Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, but I can do it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
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sweet Carolina Crimes paraphernalia to bring home. So, Danielle, let's
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get rolling with this because this is I mean, I
was always a paranormal fan. And oh you know, Madison
is my daughter, and we go on ghost tours everywhere
we go, and I've.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Been on plenty.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I visited Savannah and I've done a couple there. I mean,
that's a good hotbed for ghost tours and ghost stories,
even the Low countries South Carolina, and I know last
year I focused a lot on different parts of the
Low Country, So this one's gonna kind of be different
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places throughout the state because there are legends and it's
just I think the Low Country has more because of
all the history. Yeah, it's is older, Yeah, and so
a lot of it comes from battles and soldiers and
things like that. But and being a port city has
a big influence on that. But there are other places
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like in the you know, mountainous areas of the upstate
and things where even in the Midlands, yes, which is
where we start, and a lot of these things. I mean,
obviously these stories come from I guess you could say
a bad game of telephone, different versions of what happened,
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different versions of who these people supposedly are, how they
came to be. So if this isn't one hundred percent factual,
it's off of just yeah, it's a legend, which makes
it I think a little bit more intriguing, has that
mysteriousness to it. And we'll start with Camden, South Carolina.
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European folklore is usually around where this started, and a
lot of people are familiar with the state. New York
where they have the Headless Horsemen, Yes, which has brought
about movies, books of the infamous Sleepy Hollow.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Love to watch that every year.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
And I looked and apparently there is a headless Horseman
of Camden. Really Yeah, so I was I thought that
was pretty interesting. During the Revolutionary War, Francis Marion, also
known as the Swamp Fox, was a big you know player.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, he gets a lot of love here on the ship, yes,
and he should well.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
He had other than task of defeating the British. He
had the task of retrieving prisoners of war that had
been captured by the British, and he would have many
spies that would kind of give him some intel of
how he could you know who's been captured.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Where they would be.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And interestingly enough, one of these spies was a young
girl whose wealthy father was described as a Tory t
r y when I look that up, because I was like,
I was like, I feel like I should know this,
but I don't. But it's an American colonist who supported
the British right.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So are a loyalist?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yes, So after the British captured some of Marion's men,
he received a letter from the young girl telling him
that some of his men were being held at her home,
which is called the Wedgefield Plantation, and that her family
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was going to go to a nearby plantation for a party,
and that this place would be unattended except for one guard.
So chances are this is your time to come get
your people.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's your time to strike.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So when General Marion and his men rode up to
the plantation, of course you're coming up on horseback, so
you're not really making a quiet entrance. They found just
one person standing outside, just like she said.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And when the.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Guard heard these men approach, he said, who goes there,
to which one of Marion's men quickly got off his
horse and beheaded the man with the sword before he
even saw what was coming.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Okay, so this was a this was a Tory troop
that was standing guard or well I think.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well I think it was.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Since the father on the plantation and he was a toy,
it could have been a relative someone, So it was
just somebody who he had stayed behind to just watch
the prisoners, watch the land, make sure nobody came. And
they were able to successfully rescue the prisoners of war
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that were in the home well, a few nights later,
a servant at the Wedgefield plantation saw a headless man
staggering up the driveway. He was dressed in a uniform,
blood was dripping from his neck, and the servant, of course,
like anybody, immediately fled. Yeah, And when she told people
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what she had seen, nobody believed her. You know, maybe
you're dabbling in some of the spirits or something, but
not these kind of spirits. I don't know what's happening.
But that is until a few nights later, the plantation
owner's daughter, who was the spy, heard hoof beats coming
up the drive and when she looked out the window,
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she saw the headless guard coming down off his horse
and he stumbled towards the porch before disappearing.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Many more sightings have been reported over the years. Another story,
there is another version of how believe this headless horseman
came to be?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
And that was during.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
The Battle of Hobekirk's Hill or Hobkirks Hill, which is
known as the Second Battle of Camden, that was fought
on April twenty fifth of seventeen eighty one. A soldier
was decapitated after being hit with a cannonball, and the
horse ran towards the Black River Swamp, where he drowned.
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The Wedgefield Plantation burned to the ground in the nineteen
thirties and was later rebuilt, where today it is a
country club and a golf course. But legend has it
that on foggy nights, when of course the moon has
to be full, yeah, a headless phantom rises from the
swamp on horseback and rides around the area, and some
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people say they hear hoof beats. I don't think I've
heard anything in a long time, but this is a
legend in that area. So some people hear things. Some
people say they see things. Who knows, right, But there
are ghost tours that go in the area and talk
about you know, I wonder if any of the golf.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Players have seen somebody ride by.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You're missing something. But uh, yeah, so that's we apparently
have our own little Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
That's cool, right, We've got our own little claim to fame.
And we'll have to ask our boy Tyler Cupp, who
is very familiar around the Camden area, and p the
area and tell them he's.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Got any stories that he wanted.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Toeah, Well, he's in the other room recording news and
we're gonna we're gonna see if he's he's heard of
the Headless Horseman of Camden.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, if not, then he's not a real cam to
Night Cam to Night, I say, what do you call them?
So then we will move a little bit further down
to Polly's Island. We've done cases here, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
The last one being the the grandmother whose house was
caught on fire to try to cover up her murder
and robbery.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
It was actually very similar to the one that you
did the yes before, which was weird that I was like,
do we do this one?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But we've talked about Polly's Island before, the apparitions there.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And it's in Georgetown County, beautiful old country. I've been
there plenty of times, and there is what they call
the Ghostly Bride and Groom of Hagley, and I never
never heard of this. Apparently there's a place it's called
Hagley Island. I don't know if it's still called that
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or if it's they've renamed it been reclaimed by the sea,
which a lot have.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
That's possible, so I have to look further.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Into Oles Island. We talked last Halloween about the Gray Man. Yes,
if you want to go back and check that one out,
that was an awesome story as well.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Didn't remind me, did you say you had a you
knew someone who had a brush with the Gray Man
or saw them, you know? Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I thought maybe your your husband, I think Kevin. Okay, yeah,
we'll pin that on him. Well, he doesn't believe, even
more reason to well.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Because he's not here to defend himself.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's the best part.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Easy target.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Well, on the grounds of again the Hagley Plantation, which
is now a so it is a different name. It's
now called It's now a residential community on Polly's Island.
But they say there's the ghost of a man and
a woman that can be seen walking near the water.
And the couple is apparently from the Civil War error
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and supposedly they both died on their wedding day.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
The story goes the bride.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Her groom, and there was another man. Were all friends.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
They grew up together. So these two boys.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And a girl and eventually, you know, like it happens
when you've got mixed sex as of friends, they caught
feelings and both of these guys liked this girl.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Colonial love trying.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Exactly, and she got to the age where it was
time for her to get married, and she was having
a hard time figuring out which one of these she
wanted to marry. So her family intervened and pressured her
to marry the third guy, the friend, well, because the
other one's the groom, so we'll just try to I
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don't have a name, and she did, but after he
ended before they could get married, he went off to
see and he never returned, and there was a belief
that he had been killed or he died at sea. Okay,
so she ended up going with the now groom, deciding, well,
now we can get married because that option is off
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the table. And moments after the ceremony concluded, the horseman arrived.
They called him the horseman. He was rode up on
his horse. Third friend, who everybody thought was dead. Yes,
there's a lot of horses, but this time area that's
how they got around. So she screamed in excitement. She
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was so excited that he came, even though they had
just finished their ceremony, and both of the men believed that,
you know, they were the ones that she needed to
be with, and neither wanted to live without her.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Well, feeling like he lost.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
The third guy, the man on the horseback, he apparently
charged towards the ocean and drowned himself.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
For reasons unknown. The groom leapt into a nearby river,
and when the bride ran after him, she accidentally fell in,
and though the bridal party attempted to help, both perished.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
So the horseman rode into the ocean mm hmmm and died, yes,
And the groom jumped off into a river.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
And died, and then she fell going out and.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Going after it. Okay, So up to that point it
sounded a lot like the notebook I'm not gonna lie yes,
or Princess Bride, something like that. But so all three
of them just inexplicably kind of perished, except for her.
She was trying to save.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, she's no, she ended up dying as well. Her
wedding party attempted to help them, but I guess they
were like, we're not jumping in.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Because get my bridesmaid.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And so apparently they all ended up perishing. And now
they say that a man and a woman are seen
wandering the old Hagley plantation near the water, and it
did say a nineteen eighteen, a witness saw dozens of
ghosts from a wedding party waiting who appeared to be
waiting for something. But there hasn't been a whole bunch
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of sighting. But sometimes people will say that they see
them wandering by the water. And yes, it was considered
an old kind of old school love triumph. Okay, very interesting,
it is, it is.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But now they're seen on Paul's out.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, so I might have to next time I go
there to keep my eyes out to see if I
see anything.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
But we're gonna take our first break.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Okay, And when we come back, we're gonna head.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
To the upstate.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
All right, Well, we'll be right back after this quick
word from our sponsors, and welcome back to Carolina Crimes,
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Episode two, forty five Halloween Special. Some spooky tales and
some folklore from around the state of South Carolina. And
we appreciate you putting this little colle together for us, Danielle.
It's always fun this time of season and or this
time of year and try to get people in the
Halloween mood. I mean, we're excited. You've celebrated already, and
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we got a lot of stuff coming up at work
and around the community, and.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I've been doing good.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I think it's free form that has like the thirty
one Days of Halloween and so I've like recorded a
bunch of the Halloween movies and so I've been kind
of watching them and the Halloween Baking Championship, you.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Know, get myself.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I hadn't seen a one.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Well, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I'm gonna have to have to make some time, but
kind of.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Just you know, I like to whenever something's going on
like that. You like to do things to get yourself
in the spirit, and so why not, right.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Saw a goofy Yeah, saw a goofy meme this week
that said, for the first time in six hundred and
sixty six years, Halloween is going to be on Friday
the thirteenth in the full moon. And I was like,
it's October thirty, first doll and it's not a full mood.
It happens to be a Friday though.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Well there are some people who probably will think but
that's accurate.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Oh yeah, And it was like shared on some I
was like, come on, man.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
It sounds like I can't bat. I think I've seen
that before and something's not the math not mathing here.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
The calendar ain't calendar. So the two Tails, the Headless
Horseman of Camden. We did pop over and ask Tyler
Cup he said, he claims he hasn't ever seen it,
but I don't believe him. And also out of Polly's Island, uh,
the the the couple, the.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Married couple, and the love triangle.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Jilted lover that was out to sea. And like I said,
it was all just like the notebook until they.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
All died, until it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yes, so tell us another one. Man. We're sitting here
with baited breath.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Okay, don't put too much pressure on me.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
No, this one.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I said, we're gonna move up to the upstate and
it takes place. It's a place that's had reading up
on it. There there's a bunch of different stories and
things that have happened that come from this particular area.
It's the oak Wood Cemetery of Spartanburg.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yes, and.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's they say it's more than a burial ground. It's
home to what they call haunted Hell's Gate, which is
the one of the most infamous landmarks in the region,
which I had never heard of it. Okay, So I
thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You've heard of it.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Uh, yes, I think we mentioned it in another episode.
I think we talked a little bit about some specters
around the cemetery in past Halloween episodes. But yeah, that's
we did briefly mention it. But I'm interested to hear more.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Okay, Well, the cemetery dates back to the eighteen eighties
and it says it holds a deep history. But what
draws most visitors are not people visiting those in the suny,
it's the stories of all the paranormal activity that have
been recorded to have happened there.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Haunted Hell's Gate has earned a.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Reputation that attracts both ghost hunters and thrill seekers. I
think this reminds me too of the Elmwood Cemetery. Yes,
going into downtown Columbia. It's a very old cemetery, and
there are people I think they I want to say
they maybe have walking tours, but there are some people
who have heard who've talked about wanting to go at
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night just to walk around and see if they see
anything here or anything. I have not felt the need
to join anybody in those excursions, but have at it.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Hell's Gate they said.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Isn't just a regular entrance. Local would say that walking
through the gate after midnight transports you into another realm,
so it's not just going into a cemetery.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Some believe that it's a portal to Hell itself. I
don't know if because of the name or because they
think that that's just this is a hotbed for something.
I'm not sure, but they say that one thing remains consistent.
Those who cross through at night don't come back the
same I don't. Visitors to Oakwood Cemetery have reported strange
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experiences around Hell's Gate. Common sightings include shadowy figures and
ghostly voices. Some visitors have noticed sudden temperature drops, making
the air feel icy and unnatural. Several people claim to
have seen ghostly apparition apparitions walking through the graves. One
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particularly frightening story involves a man who is often spotted
standing by the gate. His eyes reportedly glow in the darkness,
ding shivers down the spine of those who see him.
Not interested in that as well, that would not be
a welcoming entrance for me, I would feel the need
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to turn around. For over a century, the cemetery has
been known for, Like I said, it's paranormal activity, and
some believe that the spirits of the departed remain tied
to this location and are unable to rest, which is
why there's so much activity here. And people have reported
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hearing seeing apparitions, hearing screams, seeing orbs. Visitors have reported
that their cell phones die, they feel ill, ill or
overcome with a sense of dread when they head to
the old part of the cemetery, and they say. There
could be a couple of reasons for why these things
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may have happened. Firstly, Hell'sgate was the Potter was the
Potter Fields more than one hundred years ago. Individuals who
were prisoners wards of the state, had no family, or
were just too poor for proper burial were commonly laid to.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Rest in Potter's Field.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Secondly, which I would think it would be a lot
of maybe unmarked.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Graves mm hmm, yeah, just or mass graves.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, that could be too. Secondly, in nineteen fourteen, the
city reportedly dug up more than one hundred graves in
another part of town and moved them to Oakwood Cemetery
to make way for some sort of development.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Mmmm again, sounding poltergeisty. Yeah, yeah, you don't do that.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
You're not supposed to disturb the dead. You're right, not
good things, they say, laid to rest. Well, you're being
woken up and moved, So that's not something that they.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Really care for.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
And uh, some people say that you could speculate this
probably didn't sit well with the departed, who were uprooted
from their comfy spots that they had grown used to.
I could also say that you wouldn't like the new
people coming into your cemetery when you're like, I'm familiar
with these neighbors and now I have new people on
the block. Right, But they say all this pels in
comparison to what happened at Hellsgate five years ago. For decades,
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perhaps even centuries, it had been thought to be the
spot where Satanic rituals had taken place. In twenty twelve,
the caretaker was making rounds and discovered a grave that
had been disturbed. Its concrete vault had been broken into,
and the casket was pride open. The vandals had removed
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the head of the body and nothing else, and the
culprits returned the head to the cemetery a month later.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
So, yeah, wasn't it in the I think we've discussed
that before. The Great grave robbing and they removed the head.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah, that was all they took.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
But then they returned and they brought it back a
month later. And I think, wasn't it like in the
eighties it was called like the Satanic scare or something. Yeah,
that's it, that's it, and where and so there were
a lot of people who if you looked a certain way,
dressed in black or things like that, that they believe
that you worship the devil. So there's always a lot
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of legends and rumors that go along with.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
That as well, kind of like the clown Scare of
the Upstate and the twenty eighteens.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, that wasn't too long ago.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
It wasn't that that too, But yes, well I could
be won in the future.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's right. But I don't think anybody was ever arrested
or convicted. It was just rumor. An indo.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Well, this cemetery is also home to what people have
just called that. She's known as the Lady in White.
It is a woman who apparently died suddenly on her
wedding day and was buried in her wedding dress, and
she's been seen wandering the cemetery to I don't know
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if she's looking for her loved her soon to be
groomed to be or what, but there have been people
who have seen that, so I'm not sure if they
have tours on this one, but I do know that
there's probably a tour that goes by this area. So
I mean, if you want to, you want to go
up there at a at night and walk through into
another realm, you can see if you experience anything and
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report back, We'll trust you.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I don't need to.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
We don't need to go.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yeah, I don't. I don't need to.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I don't need a firsthand.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Experience on that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So we actually are gonna go back down to Camden
because apparently Camden's got a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Well, it's it's a very historic site. We talked about
Camden before with the Battles two Battles of Camden and
the Revolutionary War. It was an outpost kind of around
that area in colonial days and very very old, a
lot of history. If you ever want to go to
the Camden County Courthouse Camden County Library, they have got
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extensive resources there for you to check out. So it's
worth the shot, it's worth checking out.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Well.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
This one is her name is called is Agnes of Glasgow,
and there's a local legend that in this cemetery it
is an old Quaker graveyard.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yes, it is one of the oldest in the state.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
And in Camden, and it's been a legend for over
two hundred years that there is a young woman that
wanders around and her name was Agnes, and she was
madly in love with her fiance Lieutenant his name is
Agnes as well, that spelled differently, okay, Lieutenant Agnes McPherson.
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They from Scotland and he was called to come over
for the American Revolution and she wanted to come with him. Obviously,
when you get you know, sent off, you can't go
with them. And so she decided that she was going
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to stow herself away in the ship and came over
to America. And when she arrived in Charleston, she heard
that her officer was then in Camden, so she had
to make her way to Camden to try to find
this her fiance.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Over one hundred and fifty miles away, yes, and or
one hundred miles away.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Well. When she arrived in Camden, she was not able
to find Lieutenant McPherson, and during this time she had
grown gravely ill, and sometime in about seventeen eighty she's
succumbed to her illness and never found her fiancee. And
so there's a belief that her spirit still searches for
him to this day, and people have seen her wandering
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around this old Quaker cemetery. They do say in the
old Quaker graveyard you'll also find headstones that were used
as target practice before a duel in the eighteen hundreds,
Abraham Lincoln's brother in law, who was a Confederate doctor. Yeah,
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a female Confederate spy, Civil War generals, and the tombstone
of Richard Kirkland, the Angel of mars Heights from the
Civil War. It was a Confederate who gave water to
die in Union soldiers at the Battle of Fredericksburg. And
they said that you'll usually find water bottles and canteens
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left by his admirers on this stone. I was not
familiar with his doings, but I think that that's very good.
And then one I was telling you about, there is
a legend in the cemetery not too far from where
we are you're right, and I was just giving you
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a brief overview of that. And it's called, uh, it's
a devilhead tombstone that has been seen in the Ebenezer
Church cemetery Ebenezer Presbyterian.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, familiar with very old cemetery. You're familiar with it.
That's actually a church where I got married. And we
actually took a field trip to this cemetery when I
was in third grade.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Really.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, it was like a history kind of unit we
were doing, and we took tombstone rubby, Yeah, and we
had to It's kind of like a scavenger hunt, like
you had to find the youngest person, the oldest grave,
the oldest person. And it's a weird, macabre field trip
for some third graders.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
But hang out in cemeteries all day.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It was, I mean, I get obviously it still resonates
with me. Yeah, you know, several years later, but almost
forty years later. But yeah, that was a strange field trip,
but it was pretty cool. Pretty cool. So there's a
devil's head.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Is what has been They call it an urban legend.
The legend dates back to at least the mid nineteen sixties,
with a story circulating that an atheist woman declared she
wanted a devil's head on her tombstone to prove that
there is no God. Well, there was an investigation in
(34:50):
the late nineteen sixties. A father whose family knew the
person buried there, told his child it was just a
natural rusting and nothing was supernatural about it. But there
are some that have recalled visiting the cemetery at night
as teenagers and thinking they saw the face, but were
likely influenced by ghost stories. You know, sometimes something kind
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of appears because it's on your mind, as if you
went in not knowing about it, it probably wouldn't be
what you think. And it's a long time.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Local familiar with the cemetery confirmed that old tombstones often
contain flaws in the stone, and they suggest the legend
begin when people begin to believe they saw a devil's head.
And I believe what I've heard is it's been debunked
and it's just the way the natural, okay, rusting and
(35:44):
over time with this, but I think there's still some
people who are like, no, you know, that local legend
is just better.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's it's more entertaining.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
It's not better than saying it's rust. So I thought
it was interesting and I saw that one, and I
was like, I wonder if Matt knows about that, because
that's I don't it's right there, but it's people have
said they've seen it. But again, it's one of those
it could be just your mind playing tricks on you.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
You kind of see what you want to see.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, who knows. Maybe you can go by there one
day and walk around.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I'm probably gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yes, Okay, well that's good. I understand. Then, So we're
gonna take this last break and then I'm gonna tell
a little bit more interesting one that's not so much
ghost but I think it's still very interesting of kind
of a local legend.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Okay, well, we'll look forward to that. We'll be right
back after this quick word from our sponsors, and welcome
(37:01):
back to Carolina Crimes Episode two forty five, our special
Halloween episode where Daniel's taking us through folklore and legends
and spooky stories and coincidences throughout the state of South Carolina.
When we left off, you said, you got this is
going to be an more interest one. Yeah than a
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true haunting.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yes, this one's more I guess he I guess you
have to be from the area.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
He's well known in certain communities. I had never heard this,
but he's a man that's known as the Sleeping Preacher
of Newberry, Okay.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
And he was a real person. He does. There was
an interview that was done.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
His son gave a brief interview an old neighbor who
remembers him when she was a little girl.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
So there are.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
People that you know, have stories and remembrance of him,
and it's just one of those like an interesting thing
that's kind of like unexplained as to why and how
this happened. But so born a slave in Fairfield County
in eighteen thirty one and liberated by Sherman's Army in
eighteen sixty four, Major Perry left the Union troops and
(38:21):
made his way back home within a few months of
the war being over.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Okay, so his name was Major Perry ran his.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Well, his name is well, they just called him Major Perry,
is what I've seen.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Just keeping score here at home.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I know he married Francis Pete from the Low Country,
and they settled down to raise children and crops. And
though his brother Luke was a Baptist preacher, Major Perry
gave no indications of religious teachings or wanted to be
in that same field. And in fact, according to his son,
(38:57):
he's like, I've never heard my father curse, but yet
there were others that said that if he got riled,
he would.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Curse like a sailor.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
And there are some people and I get that, yeah,
but he said he melowed as he became older and
became more christ Like.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
On the night of June sixteenth, eighteen eighty, following a
lengthy illness, Major Perry suddenly began initiating worship services that
eventually became famous.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Okay, not because of I think the messages that he
was putting out, but because of how he was delivering
these messages. He on invitation and free of charge, he
traveled throughout Georgia and South and North Carolina and Tennessee
to sleep and preach. So apparently he would get into
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these trances. I don't know if it was something from
this illness that he had, but he would get into
these trances and would just preaching and giving sermons and
singing hims. And he could never do it when he
was awake.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Huh, So just unconscious preaching. Mm hmm, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah, I was like I. So, according to his son Thomas,
who had given the interview, he said, there was a
northern gentleman who offered to pay all his expenses and
move his family to Washington, but his father had no
desire to leave South Carolina for a northern state. And
(40:37):
there was a woman who was a neighbor of his,
and she said that she got to see him when
he was she was about seven or eight, and she
said that he came to spend the night about two
miles from where I lived, and we all stood in
the yard until a lady came to the door and
invited them in, and he was in bed. He was
(40:59):
asleep with a white sheet over him, which would make
me think he is he alive. And they stood around
the wall in the living room, and they were about
ten or twelve of them, and he started to sing.
She said he had a really good voice, saying a hymn,
and then preached for a while, and everybody was amazed,
(41:20):
and walking home, everybody was just very interested in about
like how this even happened. And he was out of
it the whole time, and once he was apparently, once
he was in this trance, he could not be awakened,
and there were people who said, you know, they were
trying to see, like, is he faking it?
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Is this this.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Like a just something that he does to try to
get attention. And so there were people who would do
things while he was in these trances to see if
they could wake him up or maybe call him out
for not being who he said he was. And they
would hold lighted matches to his skin. They pinched his skin.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Just did see he was faking okay.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Because they didn't they didn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
They pinched his skin until it turned black and blue.
They lifted his eyelids and poured red pepper until it
began it became red and swollen. And yet when he
finished preaching, he could easily be awakened and he never
had any memory.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
And probably woke up piste off, he's got burns and
pepper in his eyes and stuff over him.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Well, there were there was I saw, because you know,
he traveled around and I guess he had to get
in his setting, get good good in a sleep, yeah,
you know, put on a sound machine. I'm just kidding.
And and then once he was like I guess really
(43:00):
asleep than he would the people would come in and
then he would do this and he was never never remembered.
They said he never preached the same sermon twice. The
hymns were all different, but he had no he would
not be able to tell you what he talked about. Okay,
very weird and interesting. I don't know. But there was
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a place that he went to one time that he
got hurt, said badly. He said he was not going
back because people were.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, I don't know, I mean, and I think kind
of like the Buckingham Palace guard, like who, you know,
they're supposed to stand still and people go and mess
with them the break character, yeah, or if they're yeah stupid,
stuff like that, And I feel bad for this guy.
I mean, obviously it sounds like he's given some kind
of supernatural gift and supernatural knowledge, and yet people were like, well,
(43:55):
let's prove him wrong, let's mess with him. Like you know,
people friends used to pass out and draw on him
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
But uh, well but that was like was fun, I
would think. But yeah, but yeah, I think the at
some point somebody would be like.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah, maybe maybe don't be putting things in his eyes.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Let's look, yeah, let's not hurt him. Come on, good gosh.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
But he Yeah, but he made himself available no matter what,
except for the one place he decided not to go back.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Until his death.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
And people would take him around different people's homes and churches,
and they'd have a bed prepared for him, and if
he was in a church, they'd have some kind of
curtain around him. And for as long as his wife
was living, she would sit with him until he was
while until he was sleeping. But even after her death
in nineteen fifteen, he continued to preach every night until
(44:53):
his own death on November eighth, nineteen twenty five. So
I have to put pictures up in that's it.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
But I was like, but yeah, he couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Await craziest thing it does it. It's just and he never,
it seemed, had any inklean of this or any ability
until this illness.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
That he had.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
That's yeah. I saw that went.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I was like, I feel like this would be a
good place to put this in because I was like,
this isn't really like a crime, but we're talking about
supernatural and you said it's like a supernatural yeah, power.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
But I thought that was.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
An interesting one to end on with someone that's like
an actual, you know, legend, someone who's lived and there's
not a lot of spookiness around it, but just unexplained.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yeah, I like it. Maybe unsolved mysteries. It'd be the
unexplained one of the categories. Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy. Well, Danielle,
we appreciate that. We hope some of these stories got
you in the mood. Maybe they touched as to where
you're close to here in the state of South Carolina. Yeah,
and go and check them out. Maybe report back to
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us if you've seen these things or experience something like this,
or experience one of these phenomenons we talked about today,
Please let us know that's some wild stuff.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Well, and I know there's no I mean I haven't
even really scratched the surface of the different stories and legends,
So yeah, feel free to throw in ones that you're like,
I remember this or I've heard about that, You heard
about this one, because chances are I haven't, and then
we could yes, put it away for another time.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Well, we appreciate that. We want to wish everybody early
happy Halloween. It's coming up this Friday. Be safe out there,
keep the kids safe. You know, do your thing, but
do it in a safe and secure manner. Stay vigilant.
We want to thank you all for listening here this week.
Thank you all who've joined us on social media. If
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you for listening to Oh. Before I say that, Oh,
Next week is a big one. We've talked about this,
We've researched this one. I kind of wanted to save
it till episode two fifty, but I can't. It's gonna
(47:42):
be a multi part episode, our first one of these
in a long time. This is one of my babies.
This is gonna be phenomenal, wild off the damn charts.
This is a great one. Next week coming up, Episode
two forty six, worldwide made worldwide news. Oh and I
(48:05):
can't believe I remember hearing something about this, but I
had no clue that one of the gentlemen involved was
from South Carolina. The main player involved made his home
in the upstate, and we'll go through that, but this
is one you're not gonna want to miss. We're going
to talk about two iconic American institutions and whoo, this
(48:26):
is insane. Folks. Please join us next week, and until then,
thank you for listening to Carolina Crimes.
For over three hundred and fifty years, the state of
South Carolina has been the setting for some of the
most horrendous crimes ever committed. Some have gained global notoriety,
some have been forgotten, and others have been swept under
the rug completely. Now, two South Carolina natives and true
(00:25):
crime enthusiasts have teamed up to examine these heinous acts
in detail, giving their perspective of the evil that has
resided in the Palmetto State. You're listening to Carolina Crimes.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And welcome back to Carolina Crimes episode two forty five.
I'm one of your hosts, Matt Hyers.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Along with Danielle Myers, and we're over.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
The moon thrilled that you joined us here for this
special Halloween episode, episode two forty five. Oh man, thank
y'all so much for your feedback from last week's episode.
We appreciate you all weighing in on that one. That
was uh, it was different. I got a lot of
(01:12):
shout outs, we got to give to a lot of
thanks people that commented very weird case. I even got
a comment in person yesterday. Oh really yes, by Steve Roberts,
longtime listener. We were at a public event, and he
told me, he said, well, according to this guy right here,
Matt Hires, he said, never fight a naked man. I said, yeah,
(01:35):
you'll always lose one way or another.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
So he at least sound advice.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think, yeah, I've always said that, but no, never
been in that situation. But I got to think that
would be pretty dicey. But certainly that episode, it hits
a certain way dehumanizing other people's that doesn't sit well
with me and the jury's verdict. And I think in
today's society, the more we've learned, the more we've started
(02:02):
accept other lifestyles that that would be. I mean, there
would be a much different version.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I think so too.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yes, yes, but an interesting one. I'm glad you presented
that one, and you're going to go again today. This
is one of your favorite seasons. Yes, you've already celebrated
Halloween a little bit with our boy Chris. Yes, and
y'all you said you watched the Conjuring.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The new one for very good, had some played clue
and had some like Halloween themed like food and stuff
such as a coottle thing we do every year instead
of doing all out Halloween party.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
We're getting too old for that.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So really you get too old for that, all right?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well yeah, but we did the spooky stuff last year
and a lot of people liked it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh yeah here on the show.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yes, and so I was, you know, thinking, we've got
Halloween coming up, so why not.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, it's always coming to do that again and cleanse
the palette a little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah. And then most hauntings do they do come about
or tales of hauntings due to a vicious crime or death.
So that's where it fits into the podcast. We're still
staying on genre. Yeah, still staying on topic. But we
wanted to wanted to bring you something special today and
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you're going to go into quite a few from around
the state of South Carolina. Yes, very special. Thank yous
and shout outs. I know we usually do them at
the end of the show, but again, thank you for
coming up to me. Steve Claire and Madison Roberts. Was great,
first time I ever met Madison. But just outstanding people.
Outstanding people. They were at a craft fair and they
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happened to roll over into Boo ha ha. It's a
citywide festival put on by the radio station and I
was out there working most of the day yesterday, So
that's why my little horse and my face is very sunburned.
And a nice time was had by all. A couple
of thousand children coming out there getting some free safe candy.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Just a little bit huh.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yes, also Ron and Landon Black longtime listeners and supporters
of the show. Big congratulations to Landing and the Miracle
League team of rock Hill, South Carolina. They defeated Charlotte
in the Battle of the Carolinas last week. I had
the privilege of being their PA announcer. I was just
(04:33):
a fill in pinch hitter there and these young people
they went out is the competitive league beat Charlotte and Landing.
He did a great job. That's my dog there.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I saw your post and I was like, that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, it was. It was and also special. Thank you
for listening to the show, longtime listeners, and this is
at bequest of my wife. I would I'd love to
meet these folks someday. But friend Hugh Gray at a Newberry,
thank you so much. Yes, yes, we appreciate you listening.
Fran a longtime listener and she just got Hugh on
(05:09):
the bandwagon, so welcome Hugh. Yes, yes, a few, uh,
just housekeeping items we need to talk about before we
get started into the spooky stuff this episode. If you're
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addition to that, it is cooler that might have some
bearing on my voice.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, but I can do it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yes, calling football games the windows open. That was a
little rough. But also go over to Carolina crimesstore dot com.
Get yourself a hoodie, some beanies, hats, all kinds of
sweet Carolina Crimes paraphernalia to bring home. So, Danielle, let's
(06:08):
get rolling with this because this is I mean, I
was always a paranormal fan. And oh you know, Madison
is my daughter, and we go on ghost tours everywhere
we go, and I've.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Been on plenty.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I visited Savannah and I've done a couple there. I mean,
that's a good hotbed for ghost tours and ghost stories,
even the Low countries South Carolina, and I know last
year I focused a lot on different parts of the
Low Country, So this one's gonna kind of be different
(06:44):
places throughout the state because there are legends and it's
just I think the Low Country has more because of
all the history. Yeah, it's is older, Yeah, and so
a lot of it comes from battles and soldiers and
things like that. But and being a port city has
a big influence on that. But there are other places
(07:05):
like in the you know, mountainous areas of the upstate
and things where even in the Midlands, yes, which is
where we start, and a lot of these things. I mean,
obviously these stories come from I guess you could say
a bad game of telephone, different versions of what happened,
(07:27):
different versions of who these people supposedly are, how they
came to be. So if this isn't one hundred percent factual,
it's off of just yeah, it's a legend, which makes
it I think a little bit more intriguing, has that
mysteriousness to it. And we'll start with Camden, South Carolina.
(07:51):
European folklore is usually around where this started, and a
lot of people are familiar with the state. New York
where they have the Headless Horsemen, Yes, which has brought
about movies, books of the infamous Sleepy Hollow.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Love to watch that every year.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
And I looked and apparently there is a headless Horseman
of Camden. Really Yeah, so I was I thought that
was pretty interesting. During the Revolutionary War, Francis Marion, also
known as the Swamp Fox, was a big you know player.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, he gets a lot of love here on the ship, yes,
and he should well.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
He had other than task of defeating the British. He
had the task of retrieving prisoners of war that had
been captured by the British, and he would have many
spies that would kind of give him some intel of
how he could you know who's been captured.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Where they would be.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And interestingly enough, one of these spies was a young
girl whose wealthy father was described as a Tory t
r y when I look that up, because I was like,
I was like, I feel like I should know this,
but I don't. But it's an American colonist who supported
the British right.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So are a loyalist?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yes, So after the British captured some of Marion's men,
he received a letter from the young girl telling him
that some of his men were being held at her home,
which is called the Wedgefield Plantation, and that her family
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was going to go to a nearby plantation for a party,
and that this place would be unattended except for one guard.
So chances are this is your time to come get
your people.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's your time to strike.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So when General Marion and his men rode up to
the plantation, of course you're coming up on horseback, so
you're not really making a quiet entrance. They found just
one person standing outside, just like she said.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And when the.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Guard heard these men approach, he said, who goes there,
to which one of Marion's men quickly got off his
horse and beheaded the man with the sword before he
even saw what was coming.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Okay, so this was a this was a Tory troop
that was standing guard or well I think.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well I think it was.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Since the father on the plantation and he was a toy,
it could have been a relative someone, So it was
just somebody who he had stayed behind to just watch
the prisoners, watch the land, make sure nobody came. And
they were able to successfully rescue the prisoners of war
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that were in the home well, a few nights later,
a servant at the Wedgefield plantation saw a headless man
staggering up the driveway. He was dressed in a uniform,
blood was dripping from his neck, and the servant, of course,
like anybody, immediately fled. Yeah, And when she told people
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what she had seen, nobody believed her. You know, maybe
you're dabbling in some of the spirits or something, but
not these kind of spirits. I don't know what's happening.
But that is until a few nights later, the plantation
owner's daughter, who was the spy, heard hoof beats coming
up the drive and when she looked out the window,
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she saw the headless guard coming down off his horse
and he stumbled towards the porch before disappearing.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Many more sightings have been reported over the years. Another story,
there is another version of how believe this headless horseman
came to be?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
And that was during.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
The Battle of Hobekirk's Hill or Hobkirks Hill, which is
known as the Second Battle of Camden, that was fought
on April twenty fifth of seventeen eighty one. A soldier
was decapitated after being hit with a cannonball, and the
horse ran towards the Black River Swamp, where he drowned.
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The Wedgefield Plantation burned to the ground in the nineteen
thirties and was later rebuilt, where today it is a
country club and a golf course. But legend has it
that on foggy nights, when of course the moon has
to be full, yeah, a headless phantom rises from the
swamp on horseback and rides around the area, and some
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people say they hear hoof beats. I don't think I've
heard anything in a long time, but this is a
legend in that area. So some people hear things. Some
people say they see things. Who knows, right, But there
are ghost tours that go in the area and talk
about you know, I wonder if any of the golf.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Players have seen somebody ride by.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You're missing something. But uh, yeah, so that's we apparently
have our own little Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
That's cool, right, We've got our own little claim to fame.
And we'll have to ask our boy Tyler Cupp, who
is very familiar around the Camden area, and p the
area and tell them he's.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Got any stories that he wanted.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Toeah, Well, he's in the other room recording news and
we're gonna we're gonna see if he's he's heard of
the Headless Horseman of Camden.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, if not, then he's not a real cam to
Night Cam to Night, I say, what do you call them?
So then we will move a little bit further down
to Polly's Island. We've done cases here, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
The last one being the the grandmother whose house was
caught on fire to try to cover up her murder
and robbery.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
It was actually very similar to the one that you
did the yes before, which was weird that I was like,
do we do this one?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But we've talked about Polly's Island before, the apparitions there.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And it's in Georgetown County, beautiful old country. I've been
there plenty of times, and there is what they call
the Ghostly Bride and Groom of Hagley, and I never
never heard of this. Apparently there's a place it's called
Hagley Island. I don't know if it's still called that
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or if it's they've renamed it been reclaimed by the sea,
which a lot have.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
That's possible, so I have to look further.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Into Oles Island. We talked last Halloween about the Gray Man. Yes,
if you want to go back and check that one out,
that was an awesome story as well.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Didn't remind me, did you say you had a you
knew someone who had a brush with the Gray Man
or saw them, you know? Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I thought maybe your your husband, I think Kevin. Okay, yeah,
we'll pin that on him. Well, he doesn't believe, even
more reason to well.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Because he's not here to defend himself.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's the best part.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Easy target.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Well, on the grounds of again the Hagley Plantation, which
is now a so it is a different name. It's
now called It's now a residential community on Polly's Island.
But they say there's the ghost of a man and
a woman that can be seen walking near the water.
And the couple is apparently from the Civil War error
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and supposedly they both died on their wedding day.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
The story goes the bride.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Her groom, and there was another man. Were all friends.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
They grew up together. So these two boys.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And a girl and eventually, you know, like it happens
when you've got mixed sex as of friends, they caught
feelings and both of these guys liked this girl.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Colonial love trying.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Exactly, and she got to the age where it was
time for her to get married, and she was having
a hard time figuring out which one of these she
wanted to marry. So her family intervened and pressured her
to marry the third guy, the friend, well, because the
other one's the groom, so we'll just try to I
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don't have a name, and she did, but after he
ended before they could get married, he went off to
see and he never returned, and there was a belief
that he had been killed or he died at sea. Okay,
so she ended up going with the now groom, deciding, well,
now we can get married because that option is off
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the table. And moments after the ceremony concluded, the horseman arrived.
They called him the horseman. He was rode up on
his horse. Third friend, who everybody thought was dead. Yes,
there's a lot of horses, but this time area that's
how they got around. So she screamed in excitement. She
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was so excited that he came, even though they had
just finished their ceremony, and both of the men believed that,
you know, they were the ones that she needed to
be with, and neither wanted to live without her.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Well, feeling like he lost.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
The third guy, the man on the horseback, he apparently
charged towards the ocean and drowned himself.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
For reasons unknown. The groom leapt into a nearby river,
and when the bride ran after him, she accidentally fell in,
and though the bridal party attempted to help, both perished.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
So the horseman rode into the ocean mm hmmm and died, yes,
And the groom jumped off into a river.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
And died, and then she fell going out and.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Going after it. Okay, So up to that point it
sounded a lot like the notebook I'm not gonna lie yes,
or Princess Bride, something like that. But so all three
of them just inexplicably kind of perished, except for her.
She was trying to save.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, she's no, she ended up dying as well. Her
wedding party attempted to help them, but I guess they
were like, we're not jumping in.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Because get my bridesmaid.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And so apparently they all ended up perishing. And now
they say that a man and a woman are seen
wandering the old Hagley plantation near the water, and it
did say a nineteen eighteen, a witness saw dozens of
ghosts from a wedding party waiting who appeared to be
waiting for something. But there hasn't been a whole bunch
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of sighting. But sometimes people will say that they see
them wandering by the water. And yes, it was considered
an old kind of old school love triumph. Okay, very interesting,
it is, it is.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But now they're seen on Paul's out.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, so I might have to next time I go
there to keep my eyes out to see if I
see anything.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
But we're gonna take our first break.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Okay, And when we come back, we're gonna head.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
To the upstate.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
All right, Well, we'll be right back after this quick
word from our sponsors, and welcome back to Carolina Crimes,
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Episode two, forty five Halloween Special. Some spooky tales and
some folklore from around the state of South Carolina. And
we appreciate you putting this little colle together for us, Danielle.
It's always fun this time of season and or this
time of year and try to get people in the
Halloween mood. I mean, we're excited. You've celebrated already, and
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we got a lot of stuff coming up at work
and around the community, and.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I've been doing good.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I think it's free form that has like the thirty
one Days of Halloween and so I've like recorded a
bunch of the Halloween movies and so I've been kind
of watching them and the Halloween Baking Championship, you.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Know, get myself.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I hadn't seen a one.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Well, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I'm gonna have to have to make some time, but
kind of.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Just you know, I like to whenever something's going on
like that. You like to do things to get yourself
in the spirit, and so why not, right.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Saw a goofy Yeah, saw a goofy meme this week
that said, for the first time in six hundred and
sixty six years, Halloween is going to be on Friday
the thirteenth in the full moon. And I was like,
it's October thirty, first doll and it's not a full mood.
It happens to be a Friday though.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Well there are some people who probably will think but
that's accurate.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Oh yeah, And it was like shared on some I
was like, come on, man.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
It sounds like I can't bat. I think I've seen
that before and something's not the math not mathing here.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
The calendar ain't calendar. So the two Tails, the Headless
Horseman of Camden. We did pop over and ask Tyler
Cup he said, he claims he hasn't ever seen it,
but I don't believe him. And also out of Polly's Island, uh,
the the the couple, the.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Married couple, and the love triangle.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Jilted lover that was out to sea. And like I said,
it was all just like the notebook until they.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
All died, until it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yes, so tell us another one. Man. We're sitting here
with baited breath.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Okay, don't put too much pressure on me.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
No, this one.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I said, we're gonna move up to the upstate and
it takes place. It's a place that's had reading up
on it. There there's a bunch of different stories and
things that have happened that come from this particular area.
It's the oak Wood Cemetery of Spartanburg.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yes, and.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's they say it's more than a burial ground. It's
home to what they call haunted Hell's Gate, which is
the one of the most infamous landmarks in the region,
which I had never heard of it. Okay, So I
thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You've heard of it.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Uh, yes, I think we mentioned it in another episode.
I think we talked a little bit about some specters
around the cemetery in past Halloween episodes. But yeah, that's
we did briefly mention it. But I'm interested to hear more.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Okay, Well, the cemetery dates back to the eighteen eighties
and it says it holds a deep history. But what
draws most visitors are not people visiting those in the suny,
it's the stories of all the paranormal activity that have
been recorded to have happened there.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Haunted Hell's Gate has earned a.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Reputation that attracts both ghost hunters and thrill seekers. I
think this reminds me too of the Elmwood Cemetery. Yes,
going into downtown Columbia. It's a very old cemetery, and
there are people I think they I want to say
they maybe have walking tours, but there are some people
who have heard who've talked about wanting to go at
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night just to walk around and see if they see
anything here or anything. I have not felt the need
to join anybody in those excursions, but have at it.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Hell's Gate they said.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Isn't just a regular entrance. Local would say that walking
through the gate after midnight transports you into another realm,
so it's not just going into a cemetery.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Some believe that it's a portal to Hell itself. I
don't know if because of the name or because they
think that that's just this is a hotbed for something.
I'm not sure, but they say that one thing remains consistent.
Those who cross through at night don't come back the
same I don't. Visitors to Oakwood Cemetery have reported strange
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experiences around Hell's Gate. Common sightings include shadowy figures and
ghostly voices. Some visitors have noticed sudden temperature drops, making
the air feel icy and unnatural. Several people claim to
have seen ghostly apparition apparitions walking through the graves. One
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particularly frightening story involves a man who is often spotted
standing by the gate. His eyes reportedly glow in the darkness,
ding shivers down the spine of those who see him.
Not interested in that as well, that would not be
a welcoming entrance for me, I would feel the need
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to turn around. For over a century, the cemetery has
been known for, Like I said, it's paranormal activity, and
some believe that the spirits of the departed remain tied
to this location and are unable to rest, which is
why there's so much activity here. And people have reported
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hearing seeing apparitions, hearing screams, seeing orbs. Visitors have reported
that their cell phones die, they feel ill, ill or
overcome with a sense of dread when they head to
the old part of the cemetery, and they say. There
could be a couple of reasons for why these things
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may have happened. Firstly, Hell'sgate was the Potter was the
Potter Fields more than one hundred years ago. Individuals who
were prisoners wards of the state, had no family, or
were just too poor for proper burial were commonly laid to.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Rest in Potter's Field.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Secondly, which I would think it would be a lot
of maybe unmarked.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Graves mm hmm, yeah, just or mass graves.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, that could be too. Secondly, in nineteen fourteen, the
city reportedly dug up more than one hundred graves in
another part of town and moved them to Oakwood Cemetery
to make way for some sort of development.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Mmmm again, sounding poltergeisty. Yeah, yeah, you don't do that.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
You're not supposed to disturb the dead. You're right, not
good things, they say, laid to rest. Well, you're being
woken up and moved, So that's not something that they.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Really care for.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
And uh, some people say that you could speculate this
probably didn't sit well with the departed, who were uprooted
from their comfy spots that they had grown used to.
I could also say that you wouldn't like the new
people coming into your cemetery when you're like, I'm familiar
with these neighbors and now I have new people on
the block. Right, But they say all this pels in
comparison to what happened at Hellsgate five years ago. For decades,
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perhaps even centuries, it had been thought to be the
spot where Satanic rituals had taken place. In twenty twelve,
the caretaker was making rounds and discovered a grave that
had been disturbed. Its concrete vault had been broken into,
and the casket was pride open. The vandals had removed
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the head of the body and nothing else, and the
culprits returned the head to the cemetery a month later.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
So, yeah, wasn't it in the I think we've discussed
that before. The Great grave robbing and they removed the head.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah, that was all they took.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
But then they returned and they brought it back a
month later. And I think, wasn't it like in the
eighties it was called like the Satanic scare or something. Yeah,
that's it, that's it, and where and so there were
a lot of people who if you looked a certain way,
dressed in black or things like that, that they believe
that you worship the devil. So there's always a lot
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of legends and rumors that go along with.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
That as well, kind of like the clown Scare of
the Upstate and the twenty eighteens.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, that wasn't too long ago.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
It wasn't that that too, But yes, well I could
be won in the future.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's right. But I don't think anybody was ever arrested
or convicted. It was just rumor. An indo.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Well, this cemetery is also home to what people have
just called that. She's known as the Lady in White.
It is a woman who apparently died suddenly on her
wedding day and was buried in her wedding dress, and
she's been seen wandering the cemetery to I don't know
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if she's looking for her loved her soon to be
groomed to be or what, but there have been people
who have seen that, so I'm not sure if they
have tours on this one, but I do know that
there's probably a tour that goes by this area. So
I mean, if you want to, you want to go
up there at a at night and walk through into
another realm, you can see if you experience anything and
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report back, We'll trust you.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I don't need to.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
We don't need to go.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yeah, I don't. I don't need to.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I don't need a firsthand.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Experience on that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So we actually are gonna go back down to Camden
because apparently Camden's got a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Well, it's it's a very historic site. We talked about
Camden before with the Battles two Battles of Camden and
the Revolutionary War. It was an outpost kind of around
that area in colonial days and very very old, a
lot of history. If you ever want to go to
the Camden County Courthouse Camden County Library, they have got
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extensive resources there for you to check out. So it's
worth the shot, it's worth checking out.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Well.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
This one is her name is called is Agnes of Glasgow,
and there's a local legend that in this cemetery it
is an old Quaker graveyard.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yes, it is one of the oldest in the state.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
And in Camden, and it's been a legend for over
two hundred years that there is a young woman that
wanders around and her name was Agnes, and she was
madly in love with her fiance Lieutenant his name is
Agnes as well, that spelled differently, okay, Lieutenant Agnes McPherson.
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They from Scotland and he was called to come over
for the American Revolution and she wanted to come with him. Obviously,
when you get you know, sent off, you can't go
with them. And so she decided that she was going
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to stow herself away in the ship and came over
to America. And when she arrived in Charleston, she heard
that her officer was then in Camden, so she had
to make her way to Camden to try to find
this her fiance.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Over one hundred and fifty miles away, yes, and or
one hundred miles away.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Well. When she arrived in Camden, she was not able
to find Lieutenant McPherson, and during this time she had
grown gravely ill, and sometime in about seventeen eighty she's
succumbed to her illness and never found her fiancee. And
so there's a belief that her spirit still searches for
him to this day, and people have seen her wandering
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around this old Quaker cemetery. They do say in the
old Quaker graveyard you'll also find headstones that were used
as target practice before a duel in the eighteen hundreds,
Abraham Lincoln's brother in law, who was a Confederate doctor. Yeah,
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a female Confederate spy, Civil War generals, and the tombstone
of Richard Kirkland, the Angel of mars Heights from the
Civil War. It was a Confederate who gave water to
die in Union soldiers at the Battle of Fredericksburg. And
they said that you'll usually find water bottles and canteens
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left by his admirers on this stone. I was not
familiar with his doings, but I think that that's very good.
And then one I was telling you about, there is
a legend in the cemetery not too far from where
we are you're right, and I was just giving you
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a brief overview of that. And it's called, uh, it's
a devilhead tombstone that has been seen in the Ebenezer
Church cemetery Ebenezer Presbyterian.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, familiar with very old cemetery. You're familiar with it.
That's actually a church where I got married. And we
actually took a field trip to this cemetery when I
was in third grade.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Really.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, it was like a history kind of unit we
were doing, and we took tombstone rubby, Yeah, and we
had to It's kind of like a scavenger hunt, like
you had to find the youngest person, the oldest grave,
the oldest person. And it's a weird, macabre field trip
for some third graders.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
But hang out in cemeteries all day.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It was, I mean, I get obviously it still resonates
with me. Yeah, you know, several years later, but almost
forty years later. But yeah, that was a strange field trip,
but it was pretty cool. Pretty cool. So there's a
devil's head.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Is what has been They call it an urban legend.
The legend dates back to at least the mid nineteen sixties,
with a story circulating that an atheist woman declared she
wanted a devil's head on her tombstone to prove that
there is no God. Well, there was an investigation in
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the late nineteen sixties. A father whose family knew the
person buried there, told his child it was just a
natural rusting and nothing was supernatural about it. But there
are some that have recalled visiting the cemetery at night
as teenagers and thinking they saw the face, but were
likely influenced by ghost stories. You know, sometimes something kind
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of appears because it's on your mind, as if you
went in not knowing about it, it probably wouldn't be
what you think. And it's a long time.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Local familiar with the cemetery confirmed that old tombstones often
contain flaws in the stone, and they suggest the legend
begin when people begin to believe they saw a devil's head.
And I believe what I've heard is it's been debunked
and it's just the way the natural, okay, rusting and
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over time with this, but I think there's still some
people who are like, no, you know, that local legend
is just better.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's it's more entertaining.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
It's not better than saying it's rust. So I thought
it was interesting and I saw that one, and I
was like, I wonder if Matt knows about that, because
that's I don't it's right there, but it's people have
said they've seen it. But again, it's one of those
it could be just your mind playing tricks on you.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
You kind of see what you want to see.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, who knows. Maybe you can go by there one
day and walk around.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I'm probably gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yes, Okay, well that's good. I understand. Then, So we're
gonna take this last break and then I'm gonna tell
a little bit more interesting one that's not so much
ghost but I think it's still very interesting of kind
of a local legend.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Okay, well, we'll look forward to that. We'll be right
back after this quick word from our sponsors, and welcome
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back to Carolina Crimes Episode two forty five, our special
Halloween episode where Daniel's taking us through folklore and legends
and spooky stories and coincidences throughout the state of South Carolina.
When we left off, you said, you got this is
going to be an more interest one. Yeah than a
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true haunting.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yes, this one's more I guess he I guess you
have to be from the area.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
He's well known in certain communities. I had never heard this,
but he's a man that's known as the Sleeping Preacher
of Newberry, Okay.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
And he was a real person. He does. There was
an interview that was done.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
His son gave a brief interview an old neighbor who
remembers him when she was a little girl.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
So there are.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
People that you know, have stories and remembrance of him,
and it's just one of those like an interesting thing
that's kind of like unexplained as to why and how
this happened. But so born a slave in Fairfield County
in eighteen thirty one and liberated by Sherman's Army in
eighteen sixty four, Major Perry left the Union troops and
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made his way back home within a few months of
the war being over.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Okay, so his name was Major Perry ran his.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Well, his name is well, they just called him Major Perry,
is what I've seen.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Just keeping score here at home.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I know he married Francis Pete from the Low Country,
and they settled down to raise children and crops. And
though his brother Luke was a Baptist preacher, Major Perry
gave no indications of religious teachings or wanted to be
in that same field. And in fact, according to his son,
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he's like, I've never heard my father curse, but yet
there were others that said that if he got riled,
he would.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Curse like a sailor.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
And there are some people and I get that, yeah,
but he said he melowed as he became older and
became more christ Like.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
On the night of June sixteenth, eighteen eighty, following a
lengthy illness, Major Perry suddenly began initiating worship services that
eventually became famous.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Okay, not because of I think the messages that he
was putting out, but because of how he was delivering
these messages. He on invitation and free of charge, he
traveled throughout Georgia and South and North Carolina and Tennessee
to sleep and preach. So apparently he would get into
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these trances. I don't know if it was something from
this illness that he had, but he would get into
these trances and would just preaching and giving sermons and
singing hims. And he could never do it when he
was awake.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Huh, So just unconscious preaching. Mm hmm, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah, I was like I. So, according to his son Thomas,
who had given the interview, he said, there was a
northern gentleman who offered to pay all his expenses and
move his family to Washington, but his father had no
desire to leave South Carolina for a northern state. And
(40:37):
there was a woman who was a neighbor of his,
and she said that she got to see him when
he was she was about seven or eight, and she
said that he came to spend the night about two
miles from where I lived, and we all stood in
the yard until a lady came to the door and
invited them in, and he was in bed. He was
(40:59):
asleep with a white sheet over him, which would make
me think he is he alive. And they stood around
the wall in the living room, and they were about
ten or twelve of them, and he started to sing.
She said he had a really good voice, saying a hymn,
and then preached for a while, and everybody was amazed,
(41:20):
and walking home, everybody was just very interested in about
like how this even happened. And he was out of
it the whole time, and once he was apparently, once
he was in this trance, he could not be awakened,
and there were people who said, you know, they were
trying to see, like, is he faking it?
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Is this this.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Like a just something that he does to try to
get attention. And so there were people who would do
things while he was in these trances to see if
they could wake him up or maybe call him out
for not being who he said he was. And they
would hold lighted matches to his skin. They pinched his skin.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Just did see he was faking okay.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Because they didn't they didn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
They pinched his skin until it turned black and blue.
They lifted his eyelids and poured red pepper until it
began it became red and swollen. And yet when he
finished preaching, he could easily be awakened and he never
had any memory.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
And probably woke up piste off, he's got burns and
pepper in his eyes and stuff over him.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Well, there were there was I saw, because you know,
he traveled around and I guess he had to get
in his setting, get good good in a sleep, yeah,
you know, put on a sound machine. I'm just kidding.
And and then once he was like I guess really
(43:00):
asleep than he would the people would come in and
then he would do this and he was never never remembered.
They said he never preached the same sermon twice. The
hymns were all different, but he had no he would
not be able to tell you what he talked about. Okay,
very weird and interesting. I don't know. But there was
(43:23):
a place that he went to one time that he
got hurt, said badly. He said he was not going
back because people were.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, I don't know, I mean, and I think kind
of like the Buckingham Palace guard, like who, you know,
they're supposed to stand still and people go and mess
with them the break character, yeah, or if they're yeah stupid,
stuff like that, And I feel bad for this guy.
I mean, obviously it sounds like he's given some kind
of supernatural gift and supernatural knowledge, and yet people were like, well,
(43:55):
let's prove him wrong, let's mess with him. Like you know,
people friends used to pass out and draw on him
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
But uh, well but that was like was fun, I
would think. But yeah, but yeah, I think the at
some point somebody would be like.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah, maybe maybe don't be putting things in his eyes.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Let's look, yeah, let's not hurt him. Come on, good gosh.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
But he Yeah, but he made himself available no matter what,
except for the one place he decided not to go back.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Until his death.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
And people would take him around different people's homes and churches,
and they'd have a bed prepared for him, and if
he was in a church, they'd have some kind of
curtain around him. And for as long as his wife
was living, she would sit with him until he was
while until he was sleeping. But even after her death
in nineteen fifteen, he continued to preach every night until
(44:53):
his own death on November eighth, nineteen twenty five. So
I have to put pictures up in that's it.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
But I was like, but yeah, he couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Await craziest thing it does it. It's just and he never,
it seemed, had any inklean of this or any ability
until this illness.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
That he had.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
That's yeah. I saw that went.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I was like, I feel like this would be a
good place to put this in because I was like,
this isn't really like a crime, but we're talking about
supernatural and you said it's like a supernatural yeah, power.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
But I thought that was.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
An interesting one to end on with someone that's like
an actual, you know, legend, someone who's lived and there's
not a lot of spookiness around it, but just unexplained.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yeah, I like it. Maybe unsolved mysteries. It'd be the
unexplained one of the categories. Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy. Well, Danielle,
we appreciate that. We hope some of these stories got
you in the mood. Maybe they touched as to where
you're close to here in the state of South Carolina. Yeah,
and go and check them out. Maybe report back to
(46:03):
us if you've seen these things or experience something like this,
or experience one of these phenomenons we talked about today,
Please let us know that's some wild stuff.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Well, and I know there's no I mean I haven't
even really scratched the surface of the different stories and legends,
So yeah, feel free to throw in ones that you're like,
I remember this or I've heard about that, You heard
about this one, because chances are I haven't, and then
we could yes, put it away for another time.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Well, we appreciate that. We want to wish everybody early
happy Halloween. It's coming up this Friday. Be safe out there,
keep the kids safe. You know, do your thing, but
do it in a safe and secure manner. Stay vigilant.
We want to thank you all for listening here this week.
Thank you all who've joined us on social media. If
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sweet sweet Carolina Crimes paraphernalia. And until next week, thank
you for listening to Oh. Before I say that, Oh,
Next week is a big one. We've talked about this,
We've researched this one. I kind of wanted to save
it till episode two fifty, but I can't. It's gonna
(47:42):
be a multi part episode, our first one of these
in a long time. This is one of my babies.
This is gonna be phenomenal, wild off the damn charts.
This is a great one. Next week coming up, Episode
two forty six, worldwide made worldwide news. Oh and I
(48:05):
can't believe I remember hearing something about this, but I
had no clue that one of the gentlemen involved was
from South Carolina. The main player involved made his home
in the upstate, and we'll go through that, but this
is one you're not gonna want to miss. We're going
to talk about two iconic American institutions and whoo, this
(48:26):
is insane. Folks. Please join us next week, and until then,
thank you for listening to Carolina Crimes.
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