November 9, 2025 • 49 mins
In 1997, a young Columbia couple had their whole lives in front of them. They were enjoying a new a budding romance, the prospect of college life, and their whole future. Unfortunately, not everyone wished the two well. Especially the ex boyfriend who just couldn't accept the situation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, folks, Before we get started here this week, we
just wanted to take the time to recognize that Tuesday,
November eleventh is Veterans Day. What that means to us
is just showing thanks and appreciation to veterans, those that
have served, those that are serving, those that are here
with us currently, and those that have gone on in
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I really appreciate you your service and all you've done
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Speaker 2 (01:11):
For over three hundred and fifty years, The State of
South Carolina has been the setting for some of the
most horrendous crimes ever committed. Some have gained global notoriety,
some have been forgotten, and others have been swept under
the rug completely. Now, two South Carolina natives and true
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crime enthusiasts have teamed up to examine these heinous acts
in detail, giving their perspective of the evil that has
resided in the Palmetto State. You're listening to Carolina Crimes.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
And welcome back to Carolina Crimes, episode two forty seven.
I'm one of your hosts, Matt Hyres along.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
With Danielle Myers.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Now we're over the moon drilled that you join us
here this week. Folks, We hope you enjoyed last week's
two part episode. That was bonkers.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, it kept like it had a bunch of like
twist and turns.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh, and there's a lot that I left out. Yeah,
I mean, you get back to Robin Colombo and some
of the Shenanigan she's been in, some of the things
they accused Jerry Jacobson of of proposing marriage to her
and bad mouth and Jerry Colombo, I mean, is it
is bananas everything that went around that and you talked
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about organized crime, former drug traffickers, twenty four million dollars
being misplaced, all kinds of false winners, the McDonald's monopoly
promotion that was bananas, absolutely bananas. And we appreciate everybody
reaching out that enjoyed that one your feedback. Thank you
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all so much. We've got some special thank yous. We'll
be able to catch up on those next week. But
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today we're going to go somewhere a little close to
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home for you. Yes, we're into Irmo, South Carolina and
Iermo if you're not familiar with it. It is located
in both portions of Richland and Lexington County. It is
essentially I hate using the term bedroom community, but a
lot of people they're in Irmo. They do commute to
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Columbia or in Lexington County and working industries there, state government,
state jobs, a lot of folks around that area. But
Irmo itself was founded in eighteen ninety and it is
a combination of the founder's names C. J. Eyerdale and HC.
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Moseley us. So they took the first two letters from
each of those gentlemen's names and named it IRMA.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
How about that Irmo. We have discussed the history of
it in previous episodes. We have been there before, so
just a few a few tidbits about it here. The
population of Irmo is eleven five hundred. I thought it
was much higher than that.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It feels like it is.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, and I mean I think Irmo technically has two
high schools. You got Dutch Fork and Irmo the I
mean wow, Yeah, two football powerhouses in the state of
South Carolina. They squared off last week. Quite a good game.
This is something very interesting and this is you the
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term from people from Irmo are Ermites. Ooh, I'm you're
an Ermite? Yes you are also yes, also worth noting.
Ermo is home to the annual Oakrush Strut, their local festival,
and I know they have a lot of musical acts, exhibits,
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craft beirs and have you ever been?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I haven't. It's not too far from where I live.
It is. They block off a big portion of the
road so that they have vendors. Of course, plenty of
okra okay, but yeah, just a good festival, A good
a good time, very very popular. A lot of people
go every year.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, and okra. It's a pretty polarizing vegetable. I think
there's there's people that rather love it or can't stand it.
I think a lot of people that love it. They
love it in the fried form shout out the lizards
think but and a lot of people the boiled version
like with tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, it's not my favorite. I think a lot of
people are weird weirded out by it because once you
when you cut up fresh okra, it's slimy on the inside.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
A little bit. It's hard to pick. It's got kind
of like a spiny fur on it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I have had pickled okra, and that's actually really good
pickled stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
That's right up there with birds.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Me not afraid of it.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Not a good good thing. But I have picked a
lot of okra, cut it up to fry, put it
in different gumbo gumbo. Yeah, it's it's a good u
good ingredient. I'm I'm for it. I think I'm for
for okra.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Okay, good okra.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yes, let's settle into irmo and let us know what
we're going to be talking about today.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
So this there's a guy, a couple well married, a
couple a little bit older than my husband, and now
we run into from time to time. They'd live a
street over from us, and some Moreites, yes, some are Ermites.
And the husband used to we kind of started talking
because he used to be a substitute teacher at White Nole,
which is where I went to school White White No
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High School and Timberwoods, and so he we kind of
talked and we're talking about different you know, this person
still there whatever, And he also taught at high school
and he knows about the podcast. He doesn't listen to it,
but he will come up to me and be like,
I've got one that you need to do, and he'll
like offer me some and he goes, I don't know
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the name, I don't know any of the All he
knows is a little bit of this is what I remember,
is what happened. Do with it what you will. But
I think that'd be a good one to cover. And
I was like, okay, so I take some of the
information and, like you say, throw it in the Google machine.
And I was able to find one that he remembered
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that occurred from the IRMO Saint Andrews Road area back
in the late nineties. Okay, So I was like I
did tell him. I said, I will be doing this one,
you know, so shout out to Bob. He's not gonna
listen to it, but he did give me here. Yeah,
I said he could be. He's a great guy. He
he can. I was like, you can be my my
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little researcher. You can bring things to me or something
and help me look, because he'll just throw it at
me and go that's all I know. Have have fun
with it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And I'm like, without calling their last names, is this
the same couple that was They were kind of a
shamed that they didn't want to admit that they watched
The Righteous Jemsons.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Those people, those people know, I know who that is.
They do they live in Minded? Those people actually live
in my neighborhood. This one's like a street over. So yes,
I know exactly what you're talking about. Different.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Don't tell anybody who watched that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The husband and Kevin were talking about it, and she goes,
don't tell people we watched that, and I'm like, will
we watch it?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It's great?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So sorry, this is one about a story that was
kind of just here's a couple of little things, that's
all I know. So I was able to really dig
into it and come up with some stuff. So Jamie's
sturt event was a typical fifteen year old student at
Rmo High School. When she met fellow students seventeen year
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old rotc Cadet Brett Hollis. The two hit it off
instantly and fell are very fast. And with this being
Jamie's first love and real relationship, a lot of things
like red flags were kind of overlooked at first.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, you're you're inexperience in love.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You don't know, you don't have anything to compare it to.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, you don't know what's right what's not. And yeah
I get it.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah, I mean we've been there. I have been there.
You don't even know what red flag means. I think
at that time.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, You're just like I'll overlook that. I'll take the
good over the minute.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Bat That's just how love is. And it's like, Okay,
So from the moment that Brett had Jamie's phone number,
he would call her every day, sometimes multiple times a day.
Even he would page her he had her page your
number late nineties. Yeah, and would want to stay on
the phone for hours, to a point where she, like
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her mom, would be like, get off the phone. You
need to do your homework. You've got to study for
your tests. Wrap it up. You've been on the phone
since you got home from school, and you saw each
other at school. What else do you have? And you're
gonna see each other tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, But I mean I've been there.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's new it's new love, I've been there.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know, you want to talk on the phone. And
our our folks had their our own line, the kids
line put in I did not have that well with me,
Kevin and Melody. I mean we were all in high
school at the same time.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well we always called it Melody's line. She was always
on the phone.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I see that. Yeah, gossiping, Yeah, girl talk.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Brett Wood wait outside of all of her classes, which
in the beginning is a sweet gesture. You know you
want to you know, you've got your new boyfriend waiting
on you, walking you in the halls, showing you off.
Everyone sees that you're a couple, and he would take
her to her next class. But it soon kind of
started to make her feel a little bit uncomfortable seeing
him because she realized that she started lose and she
had a lot of male friends. Yeah, and she started
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losing a lot of her male friends and even guys
that she had class with that she only spoke to
in class about, you know, subject related things. And she
would ask the class made a simple question and they
would only give her one word answer before quickly entering
you know ending the interaction, and she ended up learning
that Brett had been threatening the different guys that spoke
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to her, and basically was, you know, you don't need
to be talking to her, you don't need to be
hanging out with her. And she loved him, but she
knew that this wasn't okay. Yeah, and she decided to.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
End things with him insecure. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
The two would still see each other around school in
the halls, but mainly they kept their distance, kept themselves
they're broken up, that is until spring break. By this time,
Jamie hadn't spoken Breton well over two weeks, and when
he reached out to her while they were off for
the week, he asked her, hey, you know, would you
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want to go? You know, I can pick you up.
We can go on a ride and go to a
mutual friend's house hang out for a little bit. And
she was like, you know, didn't have any like bad
feelings towards them, so she said, you know, okay, I'll
do that, and he came and picked her up. They
hung out with the friends for a little while and
then on the way home, he tells her, you know,
he asked her to be his girlfriend again. I think
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we should try to start seeing each other again, and
she's just like, I don't, I don't know, I'm just
not sure if I'm you know, ready, it's only been
a few weeks in.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
A bad position to kind of put her in. I mean, hey,
let's go do this fun, just no no strings attached.
And then all of a sudden, on the way home,
you got her bottled up in a car, just a
captive audience. She can't go anywhere, all right, and say, well, hey,
let's let's be boyfriend and girlfriend again. And what do
you think?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, good on her.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's pretty brave for saying, hey, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Well and putt her on the spot. Well, he did
not like this answer, and that's when he stopped the
cars in the middle of the road. This was a
two lane highway, so he didn't pull off or anything.
He just stopped in the middle of the lane and
cut the car off and took the keys out of
the ignition and told her that if she said yes,
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then he would start the car up and they would leave.
If not, he wasn't going anywhere. And she thought he
was joking at first, but quickly realized that he wasn't.
Wow and at this point, she's worried because you know,
she's like, what if there's another car coming and they
don't see us, or we can get in the wreck,
or this is just dangerous and I don't want to
be I just want to be out of this situation.
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So she just told him yes, and he started the
car back up and dropped off at her house. Jamie's mother, Mary,
also began to worry about her relationship and her daughter
because she, you know, he would call at all hours,
even when he knew that Jamie was at where Brett
would still call the house, and she knew that this
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constant contact wasn't healthy. And Jamie being so young, she
didn't want her getting series with anyone. She's like, you know,
you're you're so young, especially this kid. But she just
was like, just you got the whole world ahead of you.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, don't.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, it's not You're not gonna get married. Well, after
realizing that things weren't any different from last time, Jamie
decided to end things for good and she moved on
with her life and opened herself up to meeting someone new,
which happened when she when now sixteen year old Jamie
met Corey Skolnick while working at the Columbiana Mall right
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in Harveston, Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Which, yeah, we know something that works there.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That's that's that's the main mall to go to. That's
when I've always gone to. Eighteen year old Corey was
a recent graduate from Airport High School and was working
during the summer before starting in the fall at the
University of South Carolina. He worked part time as an
usher at the Carolina Colisseum Okay. So this was before
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the Colonial Life Arena was built. So this other than
having school graduations there, they also this is where all
the concerts were held Disney on.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Ice, w C W rastling was that the Carolina Coliseum.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I didn't go to that one, the circus.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Your husband and I may have been there in the
late nineties, I believe, along with your brother in law.
Any pictures Jason, he got his picture in a wrestling
magazine Jason did screaming over on the side.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Well, this was the place where all the happenings went.
And I'm sure you and I but obvious seen concerts there.
Graduated from there, not from there, but had my graduation there.
So it's a lot of big stable before Colonial Life
came along, right, and Corey ushered here, you know, during
the summer, and he also took this is gonna be
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throw throw this back a little bit. See if you
remember he had a second part time job at the
mall called gad Zooks. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I remember the name. Was it kind of like a
kind of like a mashup between like Hot Topic and
Claire's or what. Well. I can honestly say I've never
shot there.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think I've been in there, but it's been so long.
But they what they say that it was like a
store for like teenagers, like the younger crowd. They had
those they were really big about selling those no Fear
t shirts. Remember those me some of those.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's kind of like a Hot Topic light, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Not as hardcore, but it had like what they said,
clo you know, those you know shirts with like the
the crazy like pictures or graphics on them, or club clothes.
I don't know. I mean it was like a little
hodgepodge stuff and stuff. And I think I looked up
I think I think it ended up getting bought out
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by Forever twenty one. Okay, so I did, because I
did look that up. But I was like I remember that.
That's a throwback is gadzooks?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, I remember, I remember the storefront. Can't say ever
darkened the door.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I think I've been in a few times, but I
was so young. It was my speed. But Corey was
described as having a magnetic personality. He was always smiling,
always joking around and making people laugh. He made friends
with anyone, and he was a good looking guy, very
popular with the girls, but he only went on a
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couple of dates, mostly with prom or school things here
and there, but never dated in high school, and he
preferred to spend his free time playing his guitar and
bass at home with his family, oh, jamming out in
his room.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I'll get you some girls, I'll get you some girls. Well.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
When Corey's mom, Jana, first met Jamie, it was on
Corey's eighteenth birthday, and she could see why he was
attracted to her. She was smart and she was pretty,
and the two seemed to get along really well together.
But their happiness would be short lived, and it wasn't
too long after they began dating that Brett showed back up.
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When he learned that Jamie and Corey were dating. It
was kind of like I think and I would say
it's like a it's solidified because they they had her
Jamie and Brett had this relationship where it was kind
of on again, off.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Again, yeah, and they kept in contact.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It sounded like yeah, and I mean they went to
school together, so but it was like kind of on again,
off again. But I think with this kind of made
it clear that there wasn't going to be an on
again m hmm.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, this was the this was the death name.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, this yeah, finally, so he wasn't you know, of
course happy about that. And Brett went up to Jamie's
work and told her she needed to break up with him,
and she told him no and he needed to leave.
He later called her at home and told her that
he was going to come up to the mall and
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he's going to kill Corey.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
What well.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
On September seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven, Corey came home from
work and was clearly shaken up, and his mom could
tell that he was very upset, and she asked him,
you know, what's going on? Something that happened and he
told her that, you know, she kind of knew about
this ex boyfriend that was kind of hanging around, so
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she had an idea about him, and he told her
that Brett and a friend had come up to the
mall and threatened to kill him and Jamie, and someone
who knew Jamie had called her at work and warned her.
You know, Brett's said that he's going to be getting
a friend and coming up there. I just want to
let you know. Well, Brett arrived a little while later
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with a loaded gun in his truck, and he had
daggers strapped to his body, like under his clothes. What
his friend inside to try to get Corey to come outside,
but of course they had already known about this possibility
that he was coming up there. And the friend was
intercepted by mall security and was escorted back outside to
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the car where Brett was waiting. Security brought Brett into
their office and had him sign an agreement banning him
from the mall for life.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
We have had another subject of our Carolina crimes that's
been banned from the Columbia the mall sounded, I mean
this guy unhinged as well, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Roof, Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, for being weird. Yeah. Well, I mean which eventually,
I mean, where there's smoke, there's.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
There's enough where you you can tell, like, this person
doesn't need to be here.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, And I plogged Columbus in them all. I mean, hey, dude,
you're causing a disturbance, You're making people uncomfortable. Don't ever
come back? Good for them? Yeah, we need more of that.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Well, the Brett was brought back in, he signed the
agreement banning him for life from the mall, and he
was able to leave without the gun, with the gun
being taken, which I don't know if they even knew
he had it because it was in the trunk of
his vehicle or the knives being confiscated, so I guess
they did. They weren't aware that he had anything on him.
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And as Corey told his mother this story, she could
hear the fear in his voice and she could see
the tears in his eyes. She went upstairs and she
got Corey's stepdad, Louie, and told him what happened. And
he knew someone who was an uncle of Brett's and
got Brett's parents phone number and basically was like, look,
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we need we need to talk about what happened. Yeah,
and they said that Brett was, Oh, he's just blowing
hot air. The whole thing's been blown out of proportion,
and Louis told Brett's mom, you know, if this was
my son, I would want to know. I don't want
to get to the bottom of this situation, and your
son needs some help because this is not normal behavior.
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And he ended the call, but it felt like they
just hadn't taken him seriously, the situation seriously, and it
angered them. I mean, the parents were mad because they're like,
you're you know, your kid's getting in trouble, making threats
to kill people, and you're just like, it's not a
big deal. He's getting banned from the mall. Well, Corey
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was afraid to go to work, and he ended up
taking two weeks off to give things some time to
calm down. And by this time, Corey had been attending
USC and he spent his time going to his classes
and working his colisseum job, and things seemed to be
cooling off with the tension. Things were going well with
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him and Jamie, and he was starting to feel a
little bit better that this situation had blown over, some
time had gone on, maybe he's finding somebody else to
talk to. But it wouldn't take long before everyone learned
that this piece wouldn't last. And we're gonna take our
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first break and then get into I guess you'd say
the meat of this story.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
All right, we'll be right back after this quick word
from our sponsors, and welcome back to Carolina Crimes, episode
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two forty seven out of Irmo, South Carolina. And this
this story, I'm afraid of where it's going about Jamie Sturtivant,
her boyfriend Corey Skolnik, and her ex boyfriend Brett Hollis
that we were talking about, and Brett had had his
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heart broken. He was some very dangerous thoughts. It sounds
like we're going around in his head and he's starting
to threaten eighteen year old Corey. And that's where we
left off.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And things were starting to you know, Corey took a
few weeks from work to let things cool down a
little bit from the mall, and things were starting to
you know, like I said, him and Jamie were doing
really well, but the piece was going to be short lived.
On Saturday, November sixteenth, nineteen ninety seven, just two months
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after the incident at the mall, was a day that
started out like any other. Corey went to work and
he was back at the mall and By and he
got off at four pm. He came home and spent
some time in his room playing his guitar before his
family went out to eat at a restaurant for dinner.
And then at nine pm, Corey left to go pick
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up Jamie from work and they were gonna hang out
at her house for a little bit and then he
was going to go and stay at a friend's house. Okay,
They ended up at Jamie's house where they were sitting
in the living room on the couch watching a movie,
eating popcorn when Jamie heard a knock at the sliding
glass door. Well this point, it was just after midnight. Yeah,
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that's part to say, pretty late, so she just knew
there was only one person that it could be, and
it was possibly Brett.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And sliding glass doors aren't on the front there around
the back of the house, so this guy's been lurking
in your yard.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So she decided, you know, she tells Corey, look, I
think it is him. Why don't you go back down
the hall to my bedroom stay there so he won't
see you, and I'm gonna talk to him, try to
calm him down and get him to leave. I feel
like if he sees you, it's gonna like amplify it.
So so Corey ran off to go back to her room,
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and when she opened the door, she saw that Brett
had a shotgun in his hand.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
She managed to talk him into dropping the weapon, but
he came into the house and begin just kind of
force his way in and was just searching through the house.
He was going through the living room, the dining room,
the kitchen like he was looking for something or someone. Yes,
And it was almost as if he knew, like, I
know you have someone in here. And I will say
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I do. I have not seen or read anything. I
do not know. Jamie was not an only child, and
her mother was married, so I do not know. Yeah, no,
that was Corey's I'm sorry. Mary was her mother and
she was married, so I don't know. There's no mention
of her siblings or him. So I don't know if
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maybe they weren't They obviously weren't home. Yeah, I don't
know where they were. But that's so in case you're
wondering like it, you know, that's so they weren't there
for whatever reason. And Cory starts making his way down
the hallway towards Jamie's room and she saw him going
towards her room, so she ran in front of him
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to try to stop him, but he grabbed her by
her wrist and bent them backwards, causing her to scream.
And at this point, Corey, who had been hiding in
Jamie's room, heard her scream and begin opening the bedroom door.
That's when Jamie saw Brett reach into his jacket and
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pull out a twenty two caliber pistol, which she did
not know that he had, and kind of set in
the scene. Corey is the door is half open. He's
on the backside inside the room of the door, behind
the door, and Brett's in front, and he proceeds to
reach around the door without I guess really looking and
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fired a shot and he hit Corey, and Jamie heard
Corey get hit. He made like a noise and then
she heard him fall, so she of course starts screaming
and her mother, Mary comes out of her room. She
opens the bedroom door and she has her hand out,
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and Jamie goes and grabs her mom's hand, and just
when she breaks the threshold to find out what's going on,
Brett fired once, shooting her in the forehead and killing.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Her instantly Jamie or Mary.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Mary, her mother, Oh my god. And because they were
whole hands, oh, Jamie fell down with her mom. Brett
was behind them, kind of in the by her door
at the end of the hallway, and so she had
to crawl over her mother's body to try to get
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out of the house. And she runs down the hallway,
grabs the cordless phone and runs out the back door
to try to call nine one one, but Brett is
right on her heels, and he grabs the phone from
her and throws it into the pool and then proceeds
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to drag her back into the house and kind of
dumps her into a spare room. And when he did,
she fell back and hit like the I guess like
it's used to like a mattress pole or like the
bed frame, hitting her in the back of the head
and not unconscious. So when she starts to come to
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she can hear Brett's voice, and then she hears Corey's
from down the hallway in her room, and she hears Corey,
you know, pleading with Brett, and then hears two more gunshots,
and then she doesn't hear anything. Brett comes into the
spare room grabs Jamie and takes her back into her room,
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pulls out a duffel bag that he had with him,
and he pulled out four pre cut pieces of rope.
He then ties her to the bed. He's not saying
a word during this whole time. Leaves and then comes
back in with a knife from the kitchen and he
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cuts her clothes off and proceeds to rape her.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
For hours this went on, where he would rape her,
he would cry, he would threaten to kill himself, and
she's just laying there, tied up, helpless, can't do anything.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Her mother is deceased.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
She knows that Corey is deceased. She doesn't know where
he is. She just knows that he's obviously deceased. Monster,
and she's trying to kind of I think also stay
calm because she doesn't want to upset him anymore.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
She's sixteen, she's a child.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
And he's seventeen. Well, after this went on for four hours,
he eventually took the knife and he cuts the ropes
and tells her get dressed. I think you need to
go to the hospital. I really think you need to
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get your head checked out and make sure that you're okay,
and she was like, Okay, I don't really know what
to do. I'm just gonna do what you say. And
they got in his car, but instead of going to
the hospital, Brett makes an unexpected detour and we're gonna
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take this last break and kind of see where this goes.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's disgusting. Folks will be right back after this quick
word from our sponsors, and welcome back to Carolina Crimes,
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episode two forty seven. And just this horrific, horrific. I
don't have words for this. It's a young girl spending
time with her boyfriend ex boyfriend where at Hollis comes in,
murders her mother, murders her boyfriend. He had pre cut
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pieces of rope to tie her up and rape her repeatedly,
and then took her from the home and you said
to some locale, she didn't know where she was going.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
She was under the impression that she he said that
she needed he was going to take her to the
hospital because he felt that she needed to have her
head checked out when she hid it earlier.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
So he cares about her and her medical well being,
but kills her mother in front of her and her
boyfriend and rapes her and I checked out for the rape,
but I'm worried about your head, babe, and I can't help.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
And I don't know this, but I can't help but
feel that there's this belief that he would still have
of see, like I'm letting you go the hospital, help you,
and like maybe there's still a little bit of like
hope that I should want to get back together with him,
you know, like that kind of sick twisted thinking. But
instead of going to the hospital, Brett ended up in
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a different location that Jamie was not expecting, and she
was surprised when he pulled into the parking lot of
the Irmo Police department. They went inside and Brett told
an officer, you need to arrest me. I've killed two people.
At first, they thought that he was joking, and these
(35:44):
being two teenagers, thought that they were on drugs. Okay,
because nobody nobody walks in and says, arrest me. This
is what I did?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
That mean? Yeah, I could see the police saying, what
are you on, kid? What do y'all doing?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
And you got to think it's about four five o'clock
in the morning, you know, so it's you know, all,
why are y'all up? So you know you're on something,
but they quickly learned that that wasn't the case. And
going back to what you said about IRMO, where it
kind of is in between Lexington and Richland County, where
this incident occurred was Lexinging County's jurisdiction, so they reached
(36:26):
out to Lexingon County officers. They were called to come
and arrest Brett and they were sent to the house
where they discovered the brutal crime scene and the bodies
of Mary's sortivan and Corey schoolneck good Gosh. Brett was
charged with two counts of first degree murder, one counter
of first degree burglary, kidnapping, and criminal sexual conduct. He
(36:52):
went to Troy. He wouldn't go to trial until February
twenty first of two thousand for the murders of Corey
and Mary and the brutal assault of Jamie. The state
was immediately seeking the death penalty. Now at this point,
Brett is twenty, so they are he's being tried as
(37:17):
an adult. But there was I don't know if this
might have been before after, but there was a Supreme
Court ruling eventually that said that juveniles cannot be sentenced
to death. So this might have been kind of on
the cusp of that. I don't know if it was
completely official, and during the trial a clearer picture was
(37:38):
painted about what happened that night. Brett had taken his
dad's shotgun and pistol and the pre cut rope put
him in a Duffel bag before heading towards the start
events home. Mary was killed from a single gun shot
wound to the head and Corey was shot three times,
and then he had been placed inside Jamie's closet, which,
(37:59):
unbenown to her, was where he was the entire time
she was being attacked. The defense said that you know,
they never sought to cast blame away from Brett, but
instead they were seeking why this happened. They stated Jamie
and Brett had an intense relationship, but it wasn't good
and the two never should have dated, and take into
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consideration what caused him to explode. A forensic psychiatrist testified
for the defense, saying Brett had borderline personality disorder, which
could cause him to overreact to rejection by girlfriends and others.
The state argued that this was premeditated and he refused
(38:43):
to accept Jamie's decision to end the relationship, and in
the closing argument, the solicitor said, he's obsessed, he's possessed,
and he is controlling. Just yeah, I mean that's yes,
very easy to subscribe. The jurors had to decide whether
the killing has resulted from a jealous rage brought on
(39:05):
by a serious mental illness, or reflected a pattern of
increasingly aggressive behavior.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Combo platter of both. I think anybody that kills another
human being is mentally ill. I think that's a given.
But the way he premeditated this, I mean, he had
enough time while he's sitting there cutting rope or packing
a Duffel bag to say, hey, maybe this isn't maybe
(39:39):
this isn't a good idea. But he's lost control of himself.
He's doesn't want to take responsibility.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
He is.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
He's letting his emotions run his brain. And yeah, it's
it's awful. It's awful. I don't like I said. It's
a little bit of both. It's a mental illness and
he's can't accept rejection and possibly some narcissism working its
(40:13):
way in there that how dare you leave me? Yeah,
watch what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Like a thing's in between us. It needs to be
my decision. Yes, And I don't think this got brought
up because I don't think the mall incident got brought
up because that was never a formal criminal charge. You
never got convicted of anything. And sometimes you can't bring
that in. It can't be admitted. But you have to
look at that too, with him coming to the mall
(40:40):
and you know, having a shotgun in his trunk and
then going ahead and taping daggers to himself and then
trying to get a friend to help lure him out.
I mean there was planning in that, yeah, and then
I feel like when that failed, instead of just moving on,
he was maybe stewing well. After the trial concluded, the
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jury had heard testimony from seventy five witnesses and reviewed
more than two hundred pieces of evidence. Brett did not testify.
He actually didn't even speak during his trial, and March
fifth of two thousand and after deliberating around forty minutes,
the jury found him guilty and he was sentenced to
(41:24):
life without parole. So the death penalty was taken off.
Was not They didn't find that he needed to have
the death penalty. Yeah, Jamie never went back to the house.
She said, though she had to get some stuff out
of her house, she had someone go in and do
it for her, and she didn't go back to school
because everybody associated what happened with her. She said, I
(41:48):
walk in. I mean, everybody knew what had happened, and
they knew that, you know, it had happened to me,
and it was kind of like I guess the talk
of the town. Jamie's story was featured. The story was
featured on The Montel Williams Show and The John Wall Show,
where Jamie gave interviews telling her story, and Corey's mom
(42:12):
even made an appearance talking about Corey and how she
doesn't blame Jamie for what happened because, you know, sometime
even though she didn't do anything, some people have that
guilt of what if I never would have brought this
person around? Yeah, and that's and that's typical human I
mean I'd be the same way.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I know, And you can never tell these people enough,
like people in Jamie's situation, you did nothing wrong. I mean,
in reality, yes, Jamie, you did nothing wrong, but it's
so hard for them to believe that. That's that's the
sad part. That's gonna honor honor.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, and oh gosh, well I did so. I did
get to watch I got to have little throwback because
I watched the episode that she was on of the
Montel Williams Show, because I never really watched that grunt,
you know, obviously I was too young, but I did
watch it, and she she did very well. She I
mean telling this story the way that she did, very
(43:15):
well spoken, you know, just she did a great job
of recounting her version of what happened. And several years
after his conviction, Jamie wrote Brett in jail. She said
she just wanted to know why he did this, and
it was six months later before she heard back from him,
(43:36):
where he never really gave an explanation, but he's he
did apologize for what happened, and she said that she
believes the only thing that he's sorry for is that
he's in jail. Yeah, So there has been no correspondent
since then. She was just hoping he would give her something.
Corey's mother, Jana, has done so much to keep her
(43:57):
son's memory alive. She started a website, which is where
I got a lot of my information, probably more than
news sources.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
He sounds like he was he had a bright future,
a brilliant young man. Yeah, hard work and going to
USC talented, musically talented m man.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Well, she started a website is called remember Corey dot com,
and I mean it's a full on website where she
talks about the person that he was. She talks, she
tells this whole story of how this even began, what
happened to him that night the trial. And she also
has a lot of pictures which will put up so
(44:37):
you can really see. She's got pictures of him and
Jamie together, She's got pictures of him planeing tuitar when
he was a kid, so you can, you know, get
just to see the personality and the person that he was.
And she also established a scholarship fund where she would
award five hundred dollars to eat each spring to an
Airport high school senior that plans to attend USC and
(44:59):
at the time, for three years, gadzooks provided a five
hundred dollars gift certificate to be presented along with a scholarship.
Now that store is not around anymore, so I know
that that part isn't still ongoing. I do not know
if her scholarship is still available, but she did do
(45:20):
that for a while, I did see where she would
she puts out She takes an ad out on the
paper every year for his birthday and has pictures and
happy birthday. Mary was a mother, a wife. Her and
Jamie were very close, and we'll put pictures up of her.
Beautiful woman, very loving and unfortunately, you know, two great
(45:43):
people lost their lives because one person just couldn't handle.
I guess things not going you know, rejecting, rejection, things
going his way. But we'll put up a lot of pictures.
They look like great people.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yeah, I'm looking at the remembering, remembering Corey h. Schol.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah, she's got a she's got a whole bunch. I
mean that's I told you. That's where I got more
stuff where she detailed. A few news articles here and there,
but she did a great job. I don't know how
old it is because it's been a while, but I
do know that, you know, Jamie's I believe is doing well.
(46:22):
I think she's married and has some kids. I think
I heard she was going to write a book. I
don't know if she did or not.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But just the trauma that she's been through just well.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
And she said about four years after she said she
got to a place where she was just like I
couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't get out of bed.
And she said, all of a sudden, something just clicked
and she said, I can't, you know, have my life
and they've lost theirs, and this is what I'm doing
with it. And so she chose to not be a
victim and allow that to define her. So it's like,
(46:55):
this is my story, this is what happened. But it
seems like she's still done stuff with her life and
able to move on from this situation.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
We pray that she continues to have strength and oh wow,
that's just an awful, awful thing to have to live
through and to live with. But we wish her the
best and pray for her strength, solace. And oh, that's
a tough one. That that that that hit me. That
(47:30):
hit me.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, it was very it was very brutal, very anger driven.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Just very long. No, I mean like the whole ordeal
that he put her through. Yeah. Man, Well, Danielle, thank
you for bringing us that one. And we want to
say a special thank you to those of you listening. Again.
Danielle said, we will get some some photos up to
remember Corey Mary and to put some faces with some
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(48:43):
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Speaker 3 (48:48):
Okay, so yes, thank
Speaker 1 (48:51):
You so much for listening to Carolina Crimes, and we'll
see you next week with episode two forty eight.
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For over three hundred and fifty years, The State of
South Carolina has been the setting for some of the
most horrendous crimes ever committed. Some have gained global notoriety,
some have been forgotten, and others have been swept under
the rug completely. Now, two South Carolina natives and true
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in detail, giving their perspective of the evil that has
resided in the Palmetto State. You're listening to Carolina Crimes.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
And welcome back to Carolina Crimes, episode two forty seven.
I'm one of your hosts, Matt Hyres along.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
With Danielle Myers.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Now we're over the moon drilled that you join us
here this week. Folks, We hope you enjoyed last week's
two part episode. That was bonkers.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, it kept like it had a bunch of like
twist and turns.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh, and there's a lot that I left out. Yeah,
I mean, you get back to Robin Colombo and some
of the Shenanigan she's been in, some of the things
they accused Jerry Jacobson of of proposing marriage to her
and bad mouth and Jerry Colombo, I mean, is it
is bananas everything that went around that and you talked
(02:32):
about organized crime, former drug traffickers, twenty four million dollars
being misplaced, all kinds of false winners, the McDonald's monopoly
promotion that was bananas, absolutely bananas. And we appreciate everybody
reaching out that enjoyed that one your feedback. Thank you
(02:52):
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be able to catch up on those next week. But
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today we're going to go somewhere a little close to
(03:59):
home for you. Yes, we're into Irmo, South Carolina and
Iermo if you're not familiar with it. It is located
in both portions of Richland and Lexington County. It is
essentially I hate using the term bedroom community, but a
lot of people they're in Irmo. They do commute to
(04:19):
Columbia or in Lexington County and working industries there, state government,
state jobs, a lot of folks around that area. But
Irmo itself was founded in eighteen ninety and it is
a combination of the founder's names C. J. Eyerdale and HC.
(04:44):
Moseley us. So they took the first two letters from
each of those gentlemen's names and named it IRMA.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
How about that Irmo. We have discussed the history of
it in previous episodes. We have been there before, so
just a few a few tidbits about it here. The
population of Irmo is eleven five hundred. I thought it
was much higher than that.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It feels like it is.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, and I mean I think Irmo technically has two
high schools. You got Dutch Fork and Irmo the I
mean wow, Yeah, two football powerhouses in the state of
South Carolina. They squared off last week. Quite a good game.
This is something very interesting and this is you the
(05:34):
term from people from Irmo are Ermites. Ooh, I'm you're
an Ermite? Yes you are also yes, also worth noting.
Ermo is home to the annual Oakrush Strut, their local festival,
and I know they have a lot of musical acts, exhibits,
(05:55):
craft beirs and have you ever been?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I haven't. It's not too far from where I live.
It is. They block off a big portion of the
road so that they have vendors. Of course, plenty of
okra okay, but yeah, just a good festival, A good
a good time, very very popular. A lot of people
go every year.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, and okra. It's a pretty polarizing vegetable. I think
there's there's people that rather love it or can't stand it.
I think a lot of people that love it. They
love it in the fried form shout out the lizards
think but and a lot of people the boiled version
like with tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, it's not my favorite. I think a lot of
people are weird weirded out by it because once you
when you cut up fresh okra, it's slimy on the inside.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
A little bit. It's hard to pick. It's got kind
of like a spiny fur on it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I have had pickled okra, and that's actually really good
pickled stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
That's right up there with birds.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Me not afraid of it.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Not a good good thing. But I have picked a
lot of okra, cut it up to fry, put it
in different gumbo gumbo. Yeah, it's it's a good u
good ingredient. I'm I'm for it. I think I'm for
for okra.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Okay, good okra.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yes, let's settle into irmo and let us know what
we're going to be talking about today.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
So this there's a guy, a couple well married, a
couple a little bit older than my husband, and now
we run into from time to time. They'd live a
street over from us, and some Moreites, yes, some are Ermites.
And the husband used to we kind of started talking
because he used to be a substitute teacher at White Nole,
which is where I went to school White White No
(07:48):
High School and Timberwoods, and so he we kind of
talked and we're talking about different you know, this person
still there whatever, And he also taught at high school
and he knows about the podcast. He doesn't listen to it,
but he will come up to me and be like,
I've got one that you need to do, and he'll
like offer me some and he goes, I don't know
(08:10):
the name, I don't know any of the All he
knows is a little bit of this is what I remember,
is what happened. Do with it what you will. But
I think that'd be a good one to cover. And
I was like, okay, so I take some of the
information and, like you say, throw it in the Google machine.
And I was able to find one that he remembered
(08:30):
that occurred from the IRMO Saint Andrews Road area back
in the late nineties. Okay, So I was like I
did tell him. I said, I will be doing this one,
you know, so shout out to Bob. He's not gonna
listen to it, but he did give me here. Yeah,
I said he could be. He's a great guy. He
he can. I was like, you can be my my
(08:53):
little researcher. You can bring things to me or something
and help me look, because he'll just throw it at
me and go that's all I know. Have have fun
with it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And I'm like, without calling their last names, is this
the same couple that was They were kind of a
shamed that they didn't want to admit that they watched
The Righteous Jemsons.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Those people, those people know, I know who that is.
They do they live in Minded? Those people actually live
in my neighborhood. This one's like a street over. So yes,
I know exactly what you're talking about. Different.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Don't tell anybody who watched that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The husband and Kevin were talking about it, and she goes,
don't tell people we watched that, and I'm like, will
we watch it?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It's great?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So sorry, this is one about a story that was
kind of just here's a couple of little things, that's
all I know. So I was able to really dig
into it and come up with some stuff. So Jamie's
sturt event was a typical fifteen year old student at
Rmo High School. When she met fellow students seventeen year
(09:53):
old rotc Cadet Brett Hollis. The two hit it off
instantly and fell are very fast. And with this being
Jamie's first love and real relationship, a lot of things
like red flags were kind of overlooked at first.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, you're you're inexperience in love.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You don't know, you don't have anything to compare it to.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, you don't know what's right what's not. And yeah
I get it.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah, I mean we've been there. I have been there.
You don't even know what red flag means. I think
at that time.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, You're just like I'll overlook that. I'll take the
good over the minute.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Bat That's just how love is. And it's like, Okay,
So from the moment that Brett had Jamie's phone number,
he would call her every day, sometimes multiple times a day.
Even he would page her he had her page your
number late nineties. Yeah, and would want to stay on
the phone for hours, to a point where she, like
(10:53):
her mom, would be like, get off the phone. You
need to do your homework. You've got to study for
your tests. Wrap it up. You've been on the phone
since you got home from school, and you saw each
other at school. What else do you have? And you're
gonna see each other tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, But I mean I've been there.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's new it's new love, I've been there.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know, you want to talk on the phone. And
our our folks had their our own line, the kids
line put in I did not have that well with me,
Kevin and Melody. I mean we were all in high
school at the same time.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well we always called it Melody's line. She was always
on the phone.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I see that. Yeah, gossiping, Yeah, girl talk.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Brett Wood wait outside of all of her classes, which
in the beginning is a sweet gesture. You know you
want to you know, you've got your new boyfriend waiting
on you, walking you in the halls, showing you off.
Everyone sees that you're a couple, and he would take
her to her next class. But it soon kind of
started to make her feel a little bit uncomfortable seeing
him because she realized that she started lose and she
had a lot of male friends. Yeah, and she started
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losing a lot of her male friends and even guys
that she had class with that she only spoke to
in class about, you know, subject related things. And she
would ask the class made a simple question and they
would only give her one word answer before quickly entering
you know ending the interaction, and she ended up learning
that Brett had been threatening the different guys that spoke
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to her, and basically was, you know, you don't need
to be talking to her, you don't need to be
hanging out with her. And she loved him, but she
knew that this wasn't okay. Yeah, and she decided to.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
End things with him insecure. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
The two would still see each other around school in
the halls, but mainly they kept their distance, kept themselves
they're broken up, that is until spring break. By this time,
Jamie hadn't spoken Breton well over two weeks, and when
he reached out to her while they were off for
the week, he asked her, hey, you know, would you
(13:00):
want to go? You know, I can pick you up.
We can go on a ride and go to a
mutual friend's house hang out for a little bit. And
she was like, you know, didn't have any like bad
feelings towards them, so she said, you know, okay, I'll
do that, and he came and picked her up. They
hung out with the friends for a little while and
then on the way home, he tells her, you know,
he asked her to be his girlfriend again. I think
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we should try to start seeing each other again, and
she's just like, I don't, I don't know, I'm just
not sure if I'm you know, ready, it's only been
a few weeks in.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
A bad position to kind of put her in. I mean, hey,
let's go do this fun, just no no strings attached.
And then all of a sudden, on the way home,
you got her bottled up in a car, just a
captive audience. She can't go anywhere, all right, and say, well, hey,
let's let's be boyfriend and girlfriend again. And what do
you think?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, good on her.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's pretty brave for saying, hey, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Well and putt her on the spot. Well, he did
not like this answer, and that's when he stopped the
cars in the middle of the road. This was a
two lane highway, so he didn't pull off or anything.
He just stopped in the middle of the lane and
cut the car off and took the keys out of
the ignition and told her that if she said yes,
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then he would start the car up and they would leave.
If not, he wasn't going anywhere. And she thought he
was joking at first, but quickly realized that he wasn't.
Wow and at this point, she's worried because you know,
she's like, what if there's another car coming and they
don't see us, or we can get in the wreck,
or this is just dangerous and I don't want to
be I just want to be out of this situation.
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So she just told him yes, and he started the
car back up and dropped off at her house. Jamie's mother, Mary,
also began to worry about her relationship and her daughter
because she, you know, he would call at all hours,
even when he knew that Jamie was at where Brett
would still call the house, and she knew that this
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constant contact wasn't healthy. And Jamie being so young, she
didn't want her getting series with anyone. She's like, you know,
you're you're so young, especially this kid. But she just
was like, just you got the whole world ahead of you.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, don't.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, it's not You're not gonna get married. Well, after
realizing that things weren't any different from last time, Jamie
decided to end things for good and she moved on
with her life and opened herself up to meeting someone new,
which happened when she when now sixteen year old Jamie
met Corey Skolnick while working at the Columbiana Mall right
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in Harveston, Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Which, yeah, we know something that works there.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That's that's that's the main mall to go to. That's
when I've always gone to. Eighteen year old Corey was
a recent graduate from Airport High School and was working
during the summer before starting in the fall at the
University of South Carolina. He worked part time as an
usher at the Carolina Colisseum Okay. So this was before
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the Colonial Life Arena was built. So this other than
having school graduations there, they also this is where all
the concerts were held Disney on.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Ice, w C W rastling was that the Carolina Coliseum.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I didn't go to that one, the circus.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Your husband and I may have been there in the
late nineties, I believe, along with your brother in law.
Any pictures Jason, he got his picture in a wrestling
magazine Jason did screaming over on the side.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Well, this was the place where all the happenings went.
And I'm sure you and I but obvious seen concerts there.
Graduated from there, not from there, but had my graduation there.
So it's a lot of big stable before Colonial Life
came along, right, and Corey ushered here, you know, during
the summer, and he also took this is gonna be
(17:03):
throw throw this back a little bit. See if you
remember he had a second part time job at the
mall called gad Zooks. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I remember the name. Was it kind of like a
kind of like a mashup between like Hot Topic and
Claire's or what. Well. I can honestly say I've never
shot there.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think I've been in there, but it's been so long.
But they what they say that it was like a
store for like teenagers, like the younger crowd. They had
those they were really big about selling those no Fear
t shirts. Remember those me some of those.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's kind of like a Hot Topic light, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Not as hardcore, but it had like what they said,
clo you know, those you know shirts with like the
the crazy like pictures or graphics on them, or club clothes.
I don't know. I mean it was like a little
hodgepodge stuff and stuff. And I think I looked up
I think I think it ended up getting bought out
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by Forever twenty one. Okay, so I did, because I
did look that up. But I was like I remember that.
That's a throwback is gadzooks?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, I remember, I remember the storefront. Can't say ever
darkened the door.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I think I've been in a few times, but I
was so young. It was my speed. But Corey was
described as having a magnetic personality. He was always smiling,
always joking around and making people laugh. He made friends
with anyone, and he was a good looking guy, very
popular with the girls, but he only went on a
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couple of dates, mostly with prom or school things here
and there, but never dated in high school, and he
preferred to spend his free time playing his guitar and
bass at home with his family, oh, jamming out in
his room.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I'll get you some girls, I'll get you some girls. Well.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
When Corey's mom, Jana, first met Jamie, it was on
Corey's eighteenth birthday, and she could see why he was
attracted to her. She was smart and she was pretty,
and the two seemed to get along really well together.
But their happiness would be short lived, and it wasn't
too long after they began dating that Brett showed back up.
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When he learned that Jamie and Corey were dating. It
was kind of like I think and I would say
it's like a it's solidified because they they had her
Jamie and Brett had this relationship where it was kind
of on again, off.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Again, yeah, and they kept in contact.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It sounded like yeah, and I mean they went to
school together, so but it was like kind of on again,
off again. But I think with this kind of made
it clear that there wasn't going to be an on
again m hmm.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, this was the this was the death name.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, this yeah, finally, so he wasn't you know, of
course happy about that. And Brett went up to Jamie's
work and told her she needed to break up with him,
and she told him no and he needed to leave.
He later called her at home and told her that
he was going to come up to the mall and
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he's going to kill Corey.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
What well.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
On September seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven, Corey came home from
work and was clearly shaken up, and his mom could
tell that he was very upset, and she asked him,
you know, what's going on? Something that happened and he
told her that, you know, she kind of knew about
this ex boyfriend that was kind of hanging around, so
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she had an idea about him, and he told her
that Brett and a friend had come up to the
mall and threatened to kill him and Jamie, and someone
who knew Jamie had called her at work and warned her.
You know, Brett's said that he's going to be getting
a friend and coming up there. I just want to
let you know. Well, Brett arrived a little while later
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with a loaded gun in his truck, and he had
daggers strapped to his body, like under his clothes. What
his friend inside to try to get Corey to come outside,
but of course they had already known about this possibility
that he was coming up there. And the friend was
intercepted by mall security and was escorted back outside to
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the car where Brett was waiting. Security brought Brett into
their office and had him sign an agreement banning him
from the mall for life.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
We have had another subject of our Carolina crimes that's
been banned from the Columbia the mall sounded, I mean
this guy unhinged as well, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Roof, Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, for being weird. Yeah. Well, I mean which eventually,
I mean, where there's smoke, there's.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
There's enough where you you can tell, like, this person
doesn't need to be here.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, And I plogged Columbus in them all. I mean, hey, dude,
you're causing a disturbance, You're making people uncomfortable. Don't ever
come back? Good for them? Yeah, we need more of that.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Well, the Brett was brought back in, he signed the
agreement banning him for life from the mall, and he
was able to leave without the gun, with the gun
being taken, which I don't know if they even knew
he had it because it was in the trunk of
his vehicle or the knives being confiscated, so I guess
they did. They weren't aware that he had anything on him.
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And as Corey told his mother this story, she could
hear the fear in his voice and she could see
the tears in his eyes. She went upstairs and she
got Corey's stepdad, Louie, and told him what happened. And
he knew someone who was an uncle of Brett's and
got Brett's parents phone number and basically was like, look,
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we need we need to talk about what happened. Yeah,
and they said that Brett was, Oh, he's just blowing
hot air. The whole thing's been blown out of proportion,
and Louis told Brett's mom, you know, if this was
my son, I would want to know. I don't want
to get to the bottom of this situation, and your
son needs some help because this is not normal behavior.
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And he ended the call, but it felt like they
just hadn't taken him seriously, the situation seriously, and it
angered them. I mean, the parents were mad because they're like,
you're you know, your kid's getting in trouble, making threats
to kill people, and you're just like, it's not a
big deal. He's getting banned from the mall. Well, Corey
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was afraid to go to work, and he ended up
taking two weeks off to give things some time to
calm down. And by this time, Corey had been attending
USC and he spent his time going to his classes
and working his colisseum job, and things seemed to be
cooling off with the tension. Things were going well with
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him and Jamie, and he was starting to feel a
little bit better that this situation had blown over, some
time had gone on, maybe he's finding somebody else to
talk to. But it wouldn't take long before everyone learned
that this piece wouldn't last. And we're gonna take our
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first break and then get into I guess you'd say
the meat of this story.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
All right, we'll be right back after this quick word
from our sponsors, and welcome back to Carolina Crimes, episode
(24:55):
two forty seven out of Irmo, South Carolina. And this
this story, I'm afraid of where it's going about Jamie Sturtivant,
her boyfriend Corey Skolnik, and her ex boyfriend Brett Hollis
that we were talking about, and Brett had had his
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heart broken. He was some very dangerous thoughts. It sounds
like we're going around in his head and he's starting
to threaten eighteen year old Corey. And that's where we
left off.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And things were starting to you know, Corey took a
few weeks from work to let things cool down a
little bit from the mall, and things were starting to
you know, like I said, him and Jamie were doing
really well, but the piece was going to be short lived.
On Saturday, November sixteenth, nineteen ninety seven, just two months
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after the incident at the mall, was a day that
started out like any other. Corey went to work and
he was back at the mall and By and he
got off at four pm. He came home and spent
some time in his room playing his guitar before his
family went out to eat at a restaurant for dinner.
And then at nine pm, Corey left to go pick
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up Jamie from work and they were gonna hang out
at her house for a little bit and then he
was going to go and stay at a friend's house. Okay,
They ended up at Jamie's house where they were sitting
in the living room on the couch watching a movie,
eating popcorn when Jamie heard a knock at the sliding
glass door. Well this point, it was just after midnight. Yeah,
(26:40):
that's part to say, pretty late, so she just knew
there was only one person that it could be, and
it was possibly Brett.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And sliding glass doors aren't on the front there around
the back of the house, so this guy's been lurking
in your yard.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So she decided, you know, she tells Corey, look, I
think it is him. Why don't you go back down
the hall to my bedroom stay there so he won't
see you, and I'm gonna talk to him, try to
calm him down and get him to leave. I feel
like if he sees you, it's gonna like amplify it.
So so Corey ran off to go back to her room,
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and when she opened the door, she saw that Brett
had a shotgun in his hand.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
She managed to talk him into dropping the weapon, but
he came into the house and begin just kind of
force his way in and was just searching through the house.
He was going through the living room, the dining room,
the kitchen like he was looking for something or someone. Yes,
And it was almost as if he knew, like, I
know you have someone in here. And I will say
(27:52):
I do. I have not seen or read anything. I
do not know. Jamie was not an only child, and
her mother was married, so I do not know. Yeah, no,
that was Corey's I'm sorry. Mary was her mother and
she was married, so I don't know. There's no mention
of her siblings or him. So I don't know if
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maybe they weren't They obviously weren't home. Yeah, I don't
know where they were. But that's so in case you're
wondering like it, you know, that's so they weren't there
for whatever reason. And Cory starts making his way down
the hallway towards Jamie's room and she saw him going
towards her room, so she ran in front of him
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to try to stop him, but he grabbed her by
her wrist and bent them backwards, causing her to scream.
And at this point, Corey, who had been hiding in
Jamie's room, heard her scream and begin opening the bedroom door.
That's when Jamie saw Brett reach into his jacket and
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pull out a twenty two caliber pistol, which she did
not know that he had, and kind of set in
the scene. Corey is the door is half open. He's
on the backside inside the room of the door, behind
the door, and Brett's in front, and he proceeds to
reach around the door without I guess really looking and
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fired a shot and he hit Corey, and Jamie heard
Corey get hit. He made like a noise and then
she heard him fall, so she of course starts screaming
and her mother, Mary comes out of her room. She
opens the bedroom door and she has her hand out,
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and Jamie goes and grabs her mom's hand, and just
when she breaks the threshold to find out what's going on,
Brett fired once, shooting her in the forehead and killing.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Her instantly Jamie or Mary.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Mary, her mother, Oh my god. And because they were
whole hands, oh, Jamie fell down with her mom. Brett
was behind them, kind of in the by her door
at the end of the hallway, and so she had
to crawl over her mother's body to try to get
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out of the house. And she runs down the hallway,
grabs the cordless phone and runs out the back door
to try to call nine one one, but Brett is
right on her heels, and he grabs the phone from
her and throws it into the pool and then proceeds
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to drag her back into the house and kind of
dumps her into a spare room. And when he did,
she fell back and hit like the I guess like
it's used to like a mattress pole or like the
bed frame, hitting her in the back of the head
and not unconscious. So when she starts to come to
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she can hear Brett's voice, and then she hears Corey's
from down the hallway in her room, and she hears Corey,
you know, pleading with Brett, and then hears two more gunshots,
and then she doesn't hear anything. Brett comes into the
spare room grabs Jamie and takes her back into her room,
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pulls out a duffel bag that he had with him,
and he pulled out four pre cut pieces of rope.
He then ties her to the bed. He's not saying
a word during this whole time. Leaves and then comes
back in with a knife from the kitchen and he
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cuts her clothes off and proceeds to rape her.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
For hours this went on, where he would rape her,
he would cry, he would threaten to kill himself, and
she's just laying there, tied up, helpless, can't do anything.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Her mother is deceased.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
She knows that Corey is deceased. She doesn't know where
he is. She just knows that he's obviously deceased. Monster,
and she's trying to kind of I think also stay
calm because she doesn't want to upset him anymore.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
She's sixteen, she's a child.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
And he's seventeen. Well, after this went on for four hours,
he eventually took the knife and he cuts the ropes
and tells her get dressed. I think you need to
go to the hospital. I really think you need to
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get your head checked out and make sure that you're okay,
and she was like, Okay, I don't really know what
to do. I'm just gonna do what you say. And
they got in his car, but instead of going to
the hospital, Brett makes an unexpected detour and we're gonna
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take this last break and kind of see where this goes.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It's disgusting. Folks will be right back after this quick
word from our sponsors, and welcome back to Carolina Crimes,
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episode two forty seven. And just this horrific, horrific. I
don't have words for this. It's a young girl spending
time with her boyfriend ex boyfriend where at Hollis comes in,
murders her mother, murders her boyfriend. He had pre cut
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pieces of rope to tie her up and rape her repeatedly,
and then took her from the home and you said
to some locale, she didn't know where she was going.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
She was under the impression that she he said that
she needed he was going to take her to the
hospital because he felt that she needed to have her
head checked out when she hid it earlier.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
So he cares about her and her medical well being,
but kills her mother in front of her and her
boyfriend and rapes her and I checked out for the rape,
but I'm worried about your head, babe, and I can't help.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
And I don't know this, but I can't help but
feel that there's this belief that he would still have
of see, like I'm letting you go the hospital, help you,
and like maybe there's still a little bit of like
hope that I should want to get back together with him,
you know, like that kind of sick twisted thinking. But
instead of going to the hospital, Brett ended up in
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a different location that Jamie was not expecting, and she
was surprised when he pulled into the parking lot of
the Irmo Police department. They went inside and Brett told
an officer, you need to arrest me. I've killed two people.
At first, they thought that he was joking, and these
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being two teenagers, thought that they were on drugs. Okay,
because nobody nobody walks in and says, arrest me. This
is what I did?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
That mean? Yeah, I could see the police saying, what
are you on, kid? What do y'all doing?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
And you got to think it's about four five o'clock
in the morning, you know, so it's you know, all,
why are y'all up? So you know you're on something,
but they quickly learned that that wasn't the case. And
going back to what you said about IRMO, where it
kind of is in between Lexington and Richland County, where
this incident occurred was Lexinging County's jurisdiction, so they reached
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out to Lexingon County officers. They were called to come
and arrest Brett and they were sent to the house
where they discovered the brutal crime scene and the bodies
of Mary's sortivan and Corey schoolneck good Gosh. Brett was
charged with two counts of first degree murder, one counter
of first degree burglary, kidnapping, and criminal sexual conduct. He
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went to Troy. He wouldn't go to trial until February
twenty first of two thousand for the murders of Corey
and Mary and the brutal assault of Jamie. The state
was immediately seeking the death penalty. Now at this point,
Brett is twenty, so they are he's being tried as
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an adult. But there was I don't know if this
might have been before after, but there was a Supreme
Court ruling eventually that said that juveniles cannot be sentenced
to death. So this might have been kind of on
the cusp of that. I don't know if it was
completely official, and during the trial a clearer picture was
(37:38):
painted about what happened that night. Brett had taken his
dad's shotgun and pistol and the pre cut rope put
him in a Duffel bag before heading towards the start
events home. Mary was killed from a single gun shot
wound to the head and Corey was shot three times,
and then he had been placed inside Jamie's closet, which,
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unbenown to her, was where he was the entire time
she was being attacked. The defense said that you know,
they never sought to cast blame away from Brett, but
instead they were seeking why this happened. They stated Jamie
and Brett had an intense relationship, but it wasn't good
and the two never should have dated, and take into
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consideration what caused him to explode. A forensic psychiatrist testified
for the defense, saying Brett had borderline personality disorder, which
could cause him to overreact to rejection by girlfriends and others.
The state argued that this was premeditated and he refused
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to accept Jamie's decision to end the relationship, and in
the closing argument, the solicitor said, he's obsessed, he's possessed,
and he is controlling. Just yeah, I mean that's yes,
very easy to subscribe. The jurors had to decide whether
the killing has resulted from a jealous rage brought on
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by a serious mental illness, or reflected a pattern of
increasingly aggressive behavior.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Combo platter of both. I think anybody that kills another
human being is mentally ill. I think that's a given.
But the way he premeditated this, I mean, he had
enough time while he's sitting there cutting rope or packing
a Duffel bag to say, hey, maybe this isn't maybe
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this isn't a good idea. But he's lost control of himself.
He's doesn't want to take responsibility.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
He is.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
He's letting his emotions run his brain. And yeah, it's
it's awful. It's awful. I don't like I said. It's
a little bit of both. It's a mental illness and
he's can't accept rejection and possibly some narcissism working its
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way in there that how dare you leave me? Yeah,
watch what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Like a thing's in between us. It needs to be
my decision. Yes, And I don't think this got brought
up because I don't think the mall incident got brought
up because that was never a formal criminal charge. You
never got convicted of anything. And sometimes you can't bring
that in. It can't be admitted. But you have to
look at that too, with him coming to the mall
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and you know, having a shotgun in his trunk and
then going ahead and taping daggers to himself and then
trying to get a friend to help lure him out.
I mean there was planning in that, yeah, and then
I feel like when that failed, instead of just moving on,
he was maybe stewing well. After the trial concluded, the
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jury had heard testimony from seventy five witnesses and reviewed
more than two hundred pieces of evidence. Brett did not testify.
He actually didn't even speak during his trial, and March
fifth of two thousand and after deliberating around forty minutes,
the jury found him guilty and he was sentenced to
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life without parole. So the death penalty was taken off.
Was not They didn't find that he needed to have
the death penalty. Yeah, Jamie never went back to the house.
She said, though she had to get some stuff out
of her house, she had someone go in and do
it for her, and she didn't go back to school
because everybody associated what happened with her. She said, I
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walk in. I mean, everybody knew what had happened, and
they knew that, you know, it had happened to me,
and it was kind of like I guess the talk
of the town. Jamie's story was featured. The story was
featured on The Montel Williams Show and The John Wall Show,
where Jamie gave interviews telling her story, and Corey's mom
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even made an appearance talking about Corey and how she
doesn't blame Jamie for what happened because, you know, sometime
even though she didn't do anything, some people have that
guilt of what if I never would have brought this
person around? Yeah, and that's and that's typical human I
mean I'd be the same way.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I know, And you can never tell these people enough,
like people in Jamie's situation, you did nothing wrong. I mean,
in reality, yes, Jamie, you did nothing wrong, but it's
so hard for them to believe that. That's that's the
sad part. That's gonna honor honor.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, and oh gosh, well I did so. I did
get to watch I got to have little throwback because
I watched the episode that she was on of the
Montel Williams Show, because I never really watched that grunt,
you know, obviously I was too young, but I did
watch it, and she she did very well. She I
mean telling this story the way that she did, very
(43:15):
well spoken, you know, just she did a great job
of recounting her version of what happened. And several years
after his conviction, Jamie wrote Brett in jail. She said
she just wanted to know why he did this, and
it was six months later before she heard back from him,
(43:36):
where he never really gave an explanation, but he's he
did apologize for what happened, and she said that she
believes the only thing that he's sorry for is that
he's in jail. Yeah, So there has been no correspondent
since then. She was just hoping he would give her something.
Corey's mother, Jana, has done so much to keep her
(43:57):
son's memory alive. She started a website, which is where
I got a lot of my information, probably more than
news sources.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
He sounds like he was he had a bright future,
a brilliant young man. Yeah, hard work and going to
USC talented, musically talented m man.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Well, she started a website is called remember Corey dot com,
and I mean it's a full on website where she
talks about the person that he was. She talks, she
tells this whole story of how this even began, what
happened to him that night the trial. And she also
has a lot of pictures which will put up so
(44:37):
you can really see. She's got pictures of him and
Jamie together, She's got pictures of him planeing tuitar when
he was a kid, so you can, you know, get
just to see the personality and the person that he was.
And she also established a scholarship fund where she would
award five hundred dollars to eat each spring to an
Airport high school senior that plans to attend USC and
(44:59):
at the time, for three years, gadzooks provided a five
hundred dollars gift certificate to be presented along with a scholarship.
Now that store is not around anymore, so I know
that that part isn't still ongoing. I do not know
if her scholarship is still available, but she did do
(45:20):
that for a while, I did see where she would
she puts out She takes an ad out on the
paper every year for his birthday and has pictures and
happy birthday. Mary was a mother, a wife. Her and
Jamie were very close, and we'll put pictures up of her.
Beautiful woman, very loving and unfortunately, you know, two great
(45:43):
people lost their lives because one person just couldn't handle.
I guess things not going you know, rejecting, rejection, things
going his way. But we'll put up a lot of pictures.
They look like great people.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yeah, I'm looking at the remembering, remembering Corey h. Schol.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah, she's got a she's got a whole bunch. I
mean that's I told you. That's where I got more
stuff where she detailed. A few news articles here and there,
but she did a great job. I don't know how
old it is because it's been a while, but I
do know that, you know, Jamie's I believe is doing well.
(46:22):
I think she's married and has some kids. I think
I heard she was going to write a book. I
don't know if she did or not.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But just the trauma that she's been through just well.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
And she said about four years after she said she
got to a place where she was just like I
couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't get out of bed.
And she said, all of a sudden, something just clicked
and she said, I can't, you know, have my life
and they've lost theirs, and this is what I'm doing
with it. And so she chose to not be a
victim and allow that to define her. So it's like,
(46:55):
this is my story, this is what happened. But it
seems like she's still done stuff with her life and
able to move on from this situation.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
We pray that she continues to have strength and oh wow,
that's just an awful, awful thing to have to live
through and to live with. But we wish her the
best and pray for her strength, solace. And oh, that's
a tough one. That that that that hit me. That
(47:30):
hit me.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, it was very it was very brutal, very anger driven.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Just very long. No, I mean like the whole ordeal
that he put her through. Yeah. Man, Well, Danielle, thank
you for bringing us that one. And we want to
say a special thank you to those of you listening. Again.
Danielle said, we will get some some photos up to
remember Corey Mary and to put some faces with some
(48:03):
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(48:43):
ready for your pumpkin roll. All right this year, all right,
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Speaker 3 (48:48):
Okay, so yes, thank
Speaker 1 (48:51):
You so much for listening to Carolina Crimes, and we'll
see you next week with episode two forty eight.
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