September 24, 2025 • 14 mins
Tonight we’re chatting with Linus O’Brien, director of STRANGE JOURNEY: THE STORY OF ROCKY HORROR in Theaters on September 26. The documentary is written by Avner Shiloah, and Produced by Adam Gibbs, Garret Price, Avner Shiloah, Linus O'Brien. Strange Journey: The Story of Rocky Horror is a joyful and wild ride through the tale of the cultural juggernaut that is The Rocky Horror Picture Show, which began as a 1973 musical stage production and became a 1975 film with Tim Curry, Susan Sarandon, Barry Bostwick, Charles Gray, and more, with a historic following.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Adam, Hello, and welcome to Castle Talk, where we talk
to writers and creators of today's genre worlds. I'm your
host Jason Henderson, publisher at castle Bridge Media, home of
the Castle of Horror anthology series. Tonight we're chatting with
Linus O'Brien, director of Strange Journey, The Story of Rocky Horror,
(00:25):
which is in theaters on September twenty sixth. The documentary
is written by Abner Sloa, produced by Adam Gibbs, Garrett Price,
Abner and Linus O'Brien. Strange Journey is a joyful ride
and wild ride through the tale of the cultural juggernaut,
and I don't use that term lightly. That is the
Rocky Horror Picture Show which began life as a nineteen
(00:47):
seventy three musical stage production and became a nineteen seventy
five film with Tim Curry, Susan Sarrand and Barry Bostwick,
Charles Gray and of course mister O'Brien, with just a
historic following that I think in many ways shaped the culture,
at least the culture, the counterculture as it were, and
(01:08):
then the culture of a generation. So first of all, welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Lines, Thanks very much, thanks for having me, Jason.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'm really excited to talk about this. I watched the
documentary and I mean sometimes it just brought tears to
my eyes because I think it was it was great
to hear all of these people talking about the creation
of this, but also hearing from young people in the
LGBTQ community and people who were young and are no
longer young, talking about the space that the show and
(01:37):
certainly the film wound up creating, sometimes beyond what your
father anticipated. But I want to start with a question.
You said in your director's notes that you had to
convince your dad, Richard O'Brien, that a movie could do
the story justice. What did you mean by that, Well.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I think, you know, I think he was maybe a
freight with documentaries. I think in general, you know, I
think a lot of them can look for some kind
of hidden secret that will pop out halfway through the documentary,
or the documentary is a bit boring, so we're going
to spice it up with some kind of controversial anecdotes.
And obviously I didn't want to do any of that.
(02:19):
I wanted to tell a very clear story about the
history of Rocky and then incorporate my dad's journey into it,
and then obviously the story of the midnight screenings and
the effect on the LGBTQ community and the Rocky community
at large. I wanted to tell that story. So once
(02:42):
he found out the people that I was working with,
Adam Gibbs and Garrett Price who made Woodstock ninety nine
on HBO and the documentary Yacht Rock. Once he knew
I was working with them, and then my old friend
Avner Schilower, who had was the editor on The Dissident
and those other two movies I mentioned. Once he knew
(03:02):
that we had that team in place, he felt very
confident about that. We would, you know, be respectful and
and and teller teller very interesting and and from an
interesting story from a loving place.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Really, That's what it was about.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
There's this, uh, there's this moment. Richard O'Brian is talking
and he says that Tim Curry makes his appearance on
the stage and also in the film, and he said,
he calls it this most extraordinary shift when the audience
sees Tim Curry suddenly emerge and throw off that cape,
(03:36):
that that this vision of Curry, it suddenly just sort
of took everybody's breath away. Uh, and I can you
talk a little bit about about the importance of well
and even how to phrase this question?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, I know, I know what you're getting at, and
I have I have an answer for it, because the
thing is, I think the thing about Frank confert to
the character and why why women especially are so attracted
to him is because here is a man who is
very masculine in every take away his clothes, and he's
a very masculine like got a lot of power, knows
(04:12):
what he wants, he's very like secure about himself as
a person.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But then you throw on all these clothes showing.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
The women in the audience that he's in touch with
his feminine side. And there you have a real key
to what women would really like out of a man.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They want a man.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Who's strong, maybe forceful in a way, but is still
in touch with his feminine side. And I think that
that is the real key to it. And I think
that I think that's why he's endured and and you know,
men found him attractive too, because you know, he's a
good looking guy. You know, if you if you're somewhere,
if you're somewhat bisexual, you could easily be attracted to
(04:56):
him because he embodies both the masculine and and inside
of our nature and that is extremely appealing.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
As as we found out.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I feel like it was rare. I mean, you know,
being growing up in Central Texas, all of a sudden,
Rocky Horror is a thing that you kind of graduate
into going to at the midnight shows when you're in
high school and you were in college, and it suddenly
sort of opens up this world of of gender and
of sexuality and and of you know, oddball interests because
(05:27):
your father brought in also this incredible love for you know,
old black and white films and Arcao pictures and all that,
all that stuff, and it just sort of gives space
for being for being a counterculture, for for for for
being something different at midnight, which which I just thought,
you know, any summed it all up in that don't
(05:47):
dream it be It, which became the line of the film.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I think it's really I think the thing that that's
interesting about Rocky, and I think that the two were
the two key words that will the reason and why
its legacy will continue.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Is community and connection.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I think as human beings were all looking for those
things where we want connection, we want community, and here
was something that allowed people to come together who felt
like they were on the fringes of society, or felt
like they were different or marginalized, and they could come together.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And meet other people like them.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And you know, a lot of the Rocky Horror fans
met their wives, their husbands, they had children, there's three
generations of them. They introduced it to their children, their grandchildren,
and what a wonderful thing to be a part of,
Especially in the Midwest, in the Southern states where it's
(06:46):
more conservative. It gave people something joyful and exciting to
do on Saturday nights when maybe they couldn't get into
bars and they couldn't go to clubs, and here was
a place where they could all come. They could celebrate,
listen to their favorite album essentially with a whole bunch
of other people. And there's images on the screen, and
(07:07):
they can perform if they want to, and they can
throw things and they can shout things.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It's like pure abandon and what a what a what
a wonderful thing to do.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
There's someone in the in the in the archival footage,
there's a woman that's sitting on a girl who's sitting
on top of someone's shoulders and she goes, it's great
to be doing this instead of anything else, and she's right.
It's right when when something is so joy and the
reason why it hasn't got much pushback from maybe the
(07:37):
more conservative people in society is because it's so full
of joy and it's not preaching to you. It has
all those elements that we're talking about, you know, gender
fluidity and all that kind of stuff, but it's not
banging you over the head with a message. And I
think that that those those two things are really key
to understanding why it's lasted so long.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
There's this one of the young men or formerly young
man who you see in Arcavo footage and he's now
a man of a certain age. He talked about how
it was a thing that he could go to and
be there from midnight until six o'clock in the morning
and just stay out of trouble and just just stay
you know. It was it was a safe space. Yeah,
(08:22):
And I think maybe having it at midnight, in other words,
the conservatives aren't objecting because they're asleep. It's it's it's happening.
It's the thing that the riddos are doing at midnight.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
You know, right, right, and and and and the thing
is as well, it's not. It wasn't like overtly sexual
on screen, like when you know, when Frank gets together
with Janet and gets together with Brad, it's behind a silhouette.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, so you don't see everything. It's not.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
My dad is always funny because he people always think
he's like this like super out there person. He's actually
kind of when when rude sex scenes would come on
the scene and we're watching TV together, he would get
very like all conservative and like, oh, oh, should we
be watching this, and like all like, you know, it's
not like this totally wild person. And so I think
(09:08):
that having having it just be titillating without beat being
graphic was another very key element to it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
He seems like a very sweet person, and watching him
in the documentary, you spend a lot of time with
him and on a guitar he performs, you know, we
see snippets you know, of so many of the songs.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, it was very important for us to get Richard
Hartley to come to We flew to New Zealand twice
and the second time we got Richard Hartley to come
and it was amazing that we did because they that
was the first time they had sat down to sing
those songs together in fifty years. And then the song
that ends it all with the documentary Superheroes, much like
(09:50):
it does in the stage play in the film, that
was one of the best performances of all and was
so I was so happy to end the film with
that song and the rendition that they gave.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah. I always wonder what Charles Gray thought of this.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, me too, Like like I just wonder, you know,
because I it was really funny because when I was young,
you know, Diamonds Are Forever is one of my favorite films. Yes,
and and I was like, wait a second, that's the
blowfelt is the guy in my dad's movie. And I
was like yeah, And so I was like, just like,
(10:24):
I was really happy about it because you know, Charles
Gray is so great in that movie. I'm sure he
was just amused and perplexed about what was going on.
I really I would love to get his insights. There
must be an interview somewhere with him about it.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
There must be a really good question. All right, So
here's here's a here's a question. The way we did
nineteen seventy five is fifty years ago. This is the
fiftieth anniversary of Rocky our picture show. Yeah, and the
way we discuss queer spaces, the way we discuss gender,
all of that has changed significantly. I'm not a member
(11:02):
of the queer community, but my I have so many
members of my family who are who I have direct
responsibility for, and it's so it's important to me. And
do you think that Rocky still speaks to the community
or is it a is it a curio of a
past generation? Like how how do you think it is
in conversation?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Unfortunately, it's maybe more relevant than it ever was, which
is sad because you kind of hope that it would
be a relic. Now you would, as Trixie says in
the documentary, you would think it would be weird. You'd
like to turn to your daughter, your son and say, yeah,
it used to be really strange. People used to be
get so concerned about a woman in address, a woman
in a suit, or a man in address.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
But that's not the case. And unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
In every society, unfortunately you somehow the power at the
tops targets the most vulnerable people in our societies, whether
that's the refugee, the immigrant, the minority, the LGBTQ community.
It's and you have to ask ourselves as a human race,
(12:10):
like what is driving that?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Why?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Why do we need to demonize certain groups of people
to feel better about ourselves? And I think really the
the answer is probably about power.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
You know. They it's used to maintain power.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
So I think one of one of the most important
things and the things that we don't do is put
ourselves in other people's shoes. If people would just stop
for a minute and go, what would it be like
to be the homeless person, to be the refugee, to
be the person starving fleeing their country? Like what would
that actually be like, you know, and not just go, oh,
that's them or that's that's not us. It's like, no,
(12:48):
we're for for for a stroke of luck that could
have been us.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
There's that.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I'm not religious at all, but there's that that quote,
isn't there there but for the grace of God, go
I And that's that's what it's about. So you know, God,
take a minute and I. And that's the thing about America, right,
it's in the world. It's an experiment. It's the greatest
experiment in terms of bringing cultures and people together, and
(13:15):
so there's a lot of people who want to see
that experiment fail, some inside the country and a lot
outside the country. But I think if anything the America
of the sixties and seventies is toward us is that,
you know, when we support each other and we lift
each other up, we were much stronger as a result
(13:36):
of it. And I can't help but feel, you know,
hate's never going to win out. You know, it's never
going to win out. And they might try and everything,
but it's never going to So you know, they've got
a long road ahead of them.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Media makes a huge difference. I mean people's attitudes in
this country towards Game ARAA. It's changed considerably just because
Will and Grace, a show that that featured a prominently
featured a gay mail all of a sudden that was
in everybody, and everybody just sort of relaxed. And so
the existence of Rocky, I think as a as a
(14:09):
welcoming space of oddballs is I think so important and
I'm so glad that it's there. So this film comes
out this month on the twenty sixth, in fact in theaters,
and and I'm sure soon elsewise. And I it brought
when the gentleman says this was just such a wonderful
(14:29):
way to grow up. I just I just missed the eye.
I thought it was wonderful and I really liked watching it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Oh thanks Jason, Thanks for saying what you loved about it,
because those moments are very important to me too.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So it's been it's been lovely chatting to you.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yes, sir, have a fantastic release. I hope it goes great.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Thanks so much, Jason.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
You have a wonderful day.
Adam, Hello, and welcome to Castle Talk, where we talk
to writers and creators of today's genre worlds. I'm your
host Jason Henderson, publisher at castle Bridge Media, home of
the Castle of Horror anthology series. Tonight we're chatting with
Linus O'Brien, director of Strange Journey, The Story of Rocky Horror,
(00:25):
which is in theaters on September twenty sixth. The documentary
is written by Abner Sloa, produced by Adam Gibbs, Garrett Price,
Abner and Linus O'Brien. Strange Journey is a joyful ride
and wild ride through the tale of the cultural juggernaut,
and I don't use that term lightly. That is the
Rocky Horror Picture Show which began life as a nineteen
(00:47):
seventy three musical stage production and became a nineteen seventy
five film with Tim Curry, Susan Sarrand and Barry Bostwick,
Charles Gray and of course mister O'Brien, with just a
historic following that I think in many ways shaped the culture,
at least the culture, the counterculture as it were, and
(01:08):
then the culture of a generation. So first of all, welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Lines, Thanks very much, thanks for having me, Jason.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'm really excited to talk about this. I watched the
documentary and I mean sometimes it just brought tears to
my eyes because I think it was it was great
to hear all of these people talking about the creation
of this, but also hearing from young people in the
LGBTQ community and people who were young and are no
longer young, talking about the space that the show and
(01:37):
certainly the film wound up creating, sometimes beyond what your
father anticipated. But I want to start with a question.
You said in your director's notes that you had to
convince your dad, Richard O'Brien, that a movie could do
the story justice. What did you mean by that, Well.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I think, you know, I think he was maybe a
freight with documentaries. I think in general, you know, I
think a lot of them can look for some kind
of hidden secret that will pop out halfway through the documentary,
or the documentary is a bit boring, so we're going
to spice it up with some kind of controversial anecdotes.
And obviously I didn't want to do any of that.
(02:19):
I wanted to tell a very clear story about the
history of Rocky and then incorporate my dad's journey into it,
and then obviously the story of the midnight screenings and
the effect on the LGBTQ community and the Rocky community
at large. I wanted to tell that story. So once
(02:42):
he found out the people that I was working with,
Adam Gibbs and Garrett Price who made Woodstock ninety nine
on HBO and the documentary Yacht Rock. Once he knew
I was working with them, and then my old friend
Avner Schilower, who had was the editor on The Dissident
and those other two movies I mentioned. Once he knew
(03:02):
that we had that team in place, he felt very
confident about that. We would, you know, be respectful and
and and teller teller very interesting and and from an
interesting story from a loving place.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Really, That's what it was about.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
There's this, uh, there's this moment. Richard O'Brian is talking
and he says that Tim Curry makes his appearance on
the stage and also in the film, and he said,
he calls it this most extraordinary shift when the audience
sees Tim Curry suddenly emerge and throw off that cape,
(03:36):
that that this vision of Curry, it suddenly just sort
of took everybody's breath away. Uh, and I can you
talk a little bit about about the importance of well
and even how to phrase this question?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, I know, I know what you're getting at, and
I have I have an answer for it, because the
thing is, I think the thing about Frank confert to
the character and why why women especially are so attracted
to him is because here is a man who is
very masculine in every take away his clothes, and he's
a very masculine like got a lot of power, knows
(04:12):
what he wants, he's very like secure about himself as
a person.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But then you throw on all these clothes showing.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
The women in the audience that he's in touch with
his feminine side. And there you have a real key
to what women would really like out of a man.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They want a man.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Who's strong, maybe forceful in a way, but is still
in touch with his feminine side. And I think that
that is the real key to it. And I think
that I think that's why he's endured and and you know,
men found him attractive too, because you know, he's a
good looking guy. You know, if you if you're somewhere,
if you're somewhat bisexual, you could easily be attracted to
(04:56):
him because he embodies both the masculine and and inside
of our nature and that is extremely appealing.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
As as we found out.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I feel like it was rare. I mean, you know,
being growing up in Central Texas, all of a sudden,
Rocky Horror is a thing that you kind of graduate
into going to at the midnight shows when you're in
high school and you were in college, and it suddenly
sort of opens up this world of of gender and
of sexuality and and of you know, oddball interests because
(05:27):
your father brought in also this incredible love for you know,
old black and white films and Arcao pictures and all that,
all that stuff, and it just sort of gives space
for being for being a counterculture, for for for for
being something different at midnight, which which I just thought,
you know, any summed it all up in that don't
(05:47):
dream it be It, which became the line of the film.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I think it's really I think the thing that that's
interesting about Rocky, and I think that the two were
the two key words that will the reason and why
its legacy will continue.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Is community and connection.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I think as human beings were all looking for those
things where we want connection, we want community, and here
was something that allowed people to come together who felt
like they were on the fringes of society, or felt
like they were different or marginalized, and they could come together.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And meet other people like them.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And you know, a lot of the Rocky Horror fans
met their wives, their husbands, they had children, there's three
generations of them. They introduced it to their children, their grandchildren,
and what a wonderful thing to be a part of,
Especially in the Midwest, in the Southern states where it's
(06:46):
more conservative. It gave people something joyful and exciting to
do on Saturday nights when maybe they couldn't get into
bars and they couldn't go to clubs, and here was
a place where they could all come. They could celebrate,
listen to their favorite album essentially with a whole bunch
of other people. And there's images on the screen, and
(07:07):
they can perform if they want to, and they can
throw things and they can shout things.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It's like pure abandon and what a what a what
a wonderful thing to do.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
There's someone in the in the in the archival footage,
there's a woman that's sitting on a girl who's sitting
on top of someone's shoulders and she goes, it's great
to be doing this instead of anything else, and she's right.
It's right when when something is so joy and the
reason why it hasn't got much pushback from maybe the
(07:37):
more conservative people in society is because it's so full
of joy and it's not preaching to you. It has
all those elements that we're talking about, you know, gender
fluidity and all that kind of stuff, but it's not
banging you over the head with a message. And I
think that that those those two things are really key
to understanding why it's lasted so long.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
There's this one of the young men or formerly young
man who you see in Arcavo footage and he's now
a man of a certain age. He talked about how
it was a thing that he could go to and
be there from midnight until six o'clock in the morning
and just stay out of trouble and just just stay
you know. It was it was a safe space. Yeah,
(08:22):
And I think maybe having it at midnight, in other words,
the conservatives aren't objecting because they're asleep. It's it's it's happening.
It's the thing that the riddos are doing at midnight.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
You know, right, right, and and and and the thing
is as well, it's not. It wasn't like overtly sexual
on screen, like when you know, when Frank gets together
with Janet and gets together with Brad, it's behind a silhouette.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, so you don't see everything. It's not.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
My dad is always funny because he people always think
he's like this like super out there person. He's actually
kind of when when rude sex scenes would come on
the scene and we're watching TV together, he would get
very like all conservative and like, oh, oh, should we
be watching this, and like all like, you know, it's
not like this totally wild person. And so I think
(09:08):
that having having it just be titillating without beat being
graphic was another very key element to it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
He seems like a very sweet person, and watching him
in the documentary, you spend a lot of time with
him and on a guitar he performs, you know, we
see snippets you know, of so many of the songs.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, it was very important for us to get Richard
Hartley to come to We flew to New Zealand twice
and the second time we got Richard Hartley to come
and it was amazing that we did because they that
was the first time they had sat down to sing
those songs together in fifty years. And then the song
that ends it all with the documentary Superheroes, much like
(09:50):
it does in the stage play in the film, that
was one of the best performances of all and was
so I was so happy to end the film with
that song and the rendition that they gave.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah. I always wonder what Charles Gray thought of this.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, me too, Like like I just wonder, you know,
because I it was really funny because when I was young,
you know, Diamonds Are Forever is one of my favorite films. Yes,
and and I was like, wait a second, that's the
blowfelt is the guy in my dad's movie. And I
was like yeah, And so I was like, just like,
(10:24):
I was really happy about it because you know, Charles
Gray is so great in that movie. I'm sure he
was just amused and perplexed about what was going on.
I really I would love to get his insights. There
must be an interview somewhere with him about it.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
There must be a really good question. All right, So
here's here's a here's a question. The way we did
nineteen seventy five is fifty years ago. This is the
fiftieth anniversary of Rocky our picture show. Yeah, and the
way we discuss queer spaces, the way we discuss gender,
all of that has changed significantly. I'm not a member
(11:02):
of the queer community, but my I have so many
members of my family who are who I have direct
responsibility for, and it's so it's important to me. And
do you think that Rocky still speaks to the community
or is it a is it a curio of a
past generation? Like how how do you think it is
in conversation?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Unfortunately, it's maybe more relevant than it ever was, which
is sad because you kind of hope that it would
be a relic. Now you would, as Trixie says in
the documentary, you would think it would be weird. You'd
like to turn to your daughter, your son and say, yeah,
it used to be really strange. People used to be
get so concerned about a woman in address, a woman
in a suit, or a man in address.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
But that's not the case. And unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
In every society, unfortunately you somehow the power at the
tops targets the most vulnerable people in our societies, whether
that's the refugee, the immigrant, the minority, the LGBTQ community.
It's and you have to ask ourselves as a human race,
(12:10):
like what is driving that?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Why?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Why do we need to demonize certain groups of people
to feel better about ourselves? And I think really the
the answer is probably about power.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
You know. They it's used to maintain power.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
So I think one of one of the most important
things and the things that we don't do is put
ourselves in other people's shoes. If people would just stop
for a minute and go, what would it be like
to be the homeless person, to be the refugee, to
be the person starving fleeing their country? Like what would
that actually be like, you know, and not just go, oh,
that's them or that's that's not us. It's like, no,
(12:48):
we're for for for a stroke of luck that could
have been us.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
There's that.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I'm not religious at all, but there's that that quote,
isn't there there but for the grace of God, go
I And that's that's what it's about. So you know, God,
take a minute and I. And that's the thing about America, right,
it's in the world. It's an experiment. It's the greatest
experiment in terms of bringing cultures and people together, and
(13:15):
so there's a lot of people who want to see
that experiment fail, some inside the country and a lot
outside the country. But I think if anything the America
of the sixties and seventies is toward us is that,
you know, when we support each other and we lift
each other up, we were much stronger as a result
(13:36):
of it. And I can't help but feel, you know,
hate's never going to win out. You know, it's never
going to win out. And they might try and everything,
but it's never going to So you know, they've got
a long road ahead of them.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Media makes a huge difference. I mean people's attitudes in
this country towards Game ARAA. It's changed considerably just because
Will and Grace, a show that that featured a prominently
featured a gay mail all of a sudden that was
in everybody, and everybody just sort of relaxed. And so
the existence of Rocky, I think as a as a
(14:09):
welcoming space of oddballs is I think so important and
I'm so glad that it's there. So this film comes
out this month on the twenty sixth, in fact in theaters,
and and I'm sure soon elsewise. And I it brought
when the gentleman says this was just such a wonderful
(14:29):
way to grow up. I just I just missed the eye.
I thought it was wonderful and I really liked watching it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Oh thanks Jason, Thanks for saying what you loved about it,
because those moments are very important to me too.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So it's been it's been lovely chatting to you.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yes, sir, have a fantastic release. I hope it goes great.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Thanks so much, Jason.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
You have a wonderful day.
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